(Danville, California) No one was injured, but many people called police to complain when airplane parts fell from the sky in several residential neighborhoods. From the
So, despite missing some parts, including one that was about 10 feet long, the plane flew all the way to Dallas and landed safely. And, inexplicably, the pilots didn't know that their plane was falling apart. According to FAA spokesman Donn Walker, the parts came from an engine thrust reverser.
Maybe I'm being overly critical, but the fact that the pilots didn't know they had a problem is somewhat troubling. It begs the question of just how much of the plane has to become dismantled in flight to achieve the threshold for pilot awareness. Is it okay for five percent of the plane to fall from the sky without pilot knowledge? Ten percent? Twenty?
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If you look at WWII pictures of returning B17's, you'll see planes landing safely with 90% of the rudder shot off, major structural pieces of the wing missing, several of the engines not running, etc. and so forth. Modern aircraft are intentionally over-designed such that they can continue to fly safely even with some amount of damamge (after all, they can't just pull over and call AAA).
The corollary would be you driving down the freeway, unaware that the reverse gears were stripped until you actually stopped and tried to back up. It's not so much the pilots I'm worried about as the maintenance crews that are supposed to check the plane between flights.
Posted by: dodgeman at May 11, 2005 07:55 AM (fRt6P)
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Reverse thrusters are only used after touch down and all tyres have made contact with the runway, or during an emergancy and you have to abort the takeoff.
It is not uncommon for a trailing edge to get ripped off and the pilot not even know it because of the force at which an actuator (along with force of air flow) will sever off a part from the plane.
Parts fall off of aircraft, its a fact of life ... most of the flying population doesnt even know because 99.99% of those items were not mission critical or would even cause any situation to develop into a catastrauphic in-flight situation.
you dont even want to tell the flying public about the number of incidents that occur national evey year from the following sitations that could just as easily bring a plane out of the sky:
Bird Impacts, Storms (to include lightning, and hail), wind sheers, turbulance. Any one of these items could pull plane parts off in a heartbeat.
The worst thing that the average passanger will most probably ever get during their whole life will be bad food, fat passengers, and cramped knees.
Posted by: Salamander at May 11, 2005 08:26 AM (D4mP3)
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Yeah, being an ex-employee of the Boeing Commercial Aircraft company I'll have to say this is pretty much SoP.
Posted by: Editor at May 11, 2005 10:07 AM (adpJH)
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Salamander,
Don't forget the flu or cold passed on by other passangers.
I really hated to do it, but when I went to pick up my fiancee from
Warsaw, I had a very bad flu. But had I not shown up at the U.S.
Embassy, there would of been a good chance my then fiancee (now wife)
would of not received her visa. So I had to travel to Warsaw and
back to Dallas, blessing everyone in coach with my flu. When we
took off, I was the only one coughing and suffering from the flu.
When we landed, about 1/5th of the people in the plane was. Funny
thing is my wife who sat beside me the whole way never got sick.
Posted by: Butch at May 11, 2005 11:13 AM (Gqhi9)
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This is the begining, or end, of a divergent timeline.
Did any of the debris hit Donnie Darko?
Posted by: ADMIRAL Rusty Shackelford at May 11, 2005 03:25 PM (PX+vn)
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Question for Butch: Why on earth did you want to go to Poland? There's nothing to see or do there, unless you're into cheap box-like cars, WW2-museums, churches or Russian mafia and prostitution.
Posted by: A Finn at May 12, 2005 04:24 AM (cWMi4)
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Oh, sorry, didn't read the text properly. So why was your wife in Poland? (surely you didn't buy her there?)
Posted by: A Finn at May 12, 2005 04:27 AM (cWMi4)
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Finn,
No I mailed order her out of Ukraine, but
they said they could only deliver as far as Warsaw. (The US embassy in Ukraine is to small, so fiancee visas go thru Warsaw.)
Posted by: Butch at May 12, 2005 12:08 PM (Gqhi9)
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...Man, I never knew you could mailorder women from other places than southeast Asia.
Posted by: A Finn at May 13, 2005 01:52 AM (cWMi4)
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