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June 16, 2006

Ayaan Hirsi Ali's "Submission 2"

If you thought the cartoon jihad was a big deal, wait 'til Ayaan Hirsi Ali releases her next political bombshell. Predictably, European leaders are trembling:

The Dutch authorities fear that Â“Submission 2,Â” Ayaan Hirsi AliÂ’s soon to be released new movie, might make the Netherlands a target of angry Muslims worldwide. The movie criticizes Muslims for their intolerance of gays. In a report published last Wednesday the countryÂ’s National Anti-Terrorism Coordinator (Nationaal CoÃƒÂ¶rdinator Terrorismebestrijding, NCTb) warns that one must seriously take into account the possibility of an international Muslim boycott of the Netherlands, similar to the boycott of Denmark by the Islamic world earlier this year over the Muhammad cartoons.

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June 11, 2006

Saving Soccer

Now, this will sound like blasphemy to my fellow NFL fans, but, having watched nearly five minutes of the World Cup soccer match between Sweden and Trinidad and Tobago...the world has a point. It makes much more sense to use the word "football" for "soccer" than it does to apply it to...American football. After all, the wimpiest NFL players are the ones who specialize in kicking the ball, and they are increasingly drawn from the ranks of soccer players - Europeans.

That said, soccer continues to prosper in America about as well as the metric system; that is to say, it has approximately the popularity of a fart in an elevator. What can be done? Must "futball" forever abandon the world's most profitable market and fanatical fan base?

No! A few simple changes should suffice to bring soccer up to at least the popularity of ice hockey. more...

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1 Soccer is for nancy boys.

Posted by: Darth Vag at June 11, 2006 09:25 AM (+nlyI)

2 Paintgun? How about a riot gun with sandbag rounds. If you can take the hit, and make the goal you are the MAN. Paintballs would be the equivalent of flag football, which is the equivalent of soccer plus testosterone.

Posted by: Touchdown at June 11, 2006 09:33 AM (7N2cZ)

3 Bluto--as accurate as ever. Soccer is the fastest growing sport in America, and is one of the top two (if not #1) youth sports. With 14% of the population hispanic, and with a sizable new population of African, caribbean, and asian immigrants as well, combined with the youth numbers, soccer has a bright future. It is also one of the rare sports in which participation by women is almost as high as for men. Our women's national team is among the top in the world. Our men's team is ranked fifth. Now, as for tv--although I played soccer for 6 years as a kid, I still prefer watching football. Soccer is more fun to play, but doesn't translate well to the little screen. Go USA! We have a good host against the Czechs tomorrow.

Posted by: jd at June 11, 2006 09:55 AM (DQYHA)

4 No surprises here... JD is for soccer, Osama is for Jihad and the Democrats are for the gang-rape of America.

Posted by: Darth Vag at June 11, 2006 09:59 AM (+nlyI)

5 Touchdown: how about if we put half-inch ball bearings in the paint balls?

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at June 11, 2006 11:08 AM (RHG+K)

6 You forgot the worst rule in soccer: the offsides rule. This rule basically prohibits every kind of play other than the fruitless scrums you always see at the top of the box. Get rid of the rule, you open up the game to that most American play: the long bomb. Plus half-inch ball bearings of course.

Posted by: cobalt blue at June 11, 2006 11:47 AM (cJXpZ)

7 I'm here to defend soccer...and be mocked for doing so. I find most US sports boring, especially your drawn out football with constant time outs. I prepare for the imminent abuse.

Posted by: Jester at June 11, 2006 02:46 PM (TuAMG)

8 I kinda like soccer, especially womens'. Sweaty chicks with muscular legs and tight buns kinda turns me on.

Posted by: hondo at June 11, 2006 03:46 PM (MVgHp)

9 Shortening the field has been attempted. It was known as indoor soccer. It's another gimmick sport that field miserably. To eliminate the offsides rule would do the opposite of what you would like to occur. If you allow cherry-picking in the goal mouth, then you'll have to drop your defense back as well. Result: no long bombs and it then becomes even more of a defensive game. I still like watching football better but I agree that soccer is more fun to play. I might feel different if there were plenty of football leagues for anyone over the age of 13.

Posted by: slug at June 11, 2006 03:50 PM (soGSc)

10 Or the U.S. could field a competitive team. In addition, the MLS could possibly get some talent. Just a few suggestions.

Posted by: Budd at June 11, 2006 09:00 PM (OmmM3)

11 Hmmm...Americans like high-scoring games, that's true. But, then again, 6 points are given for a touchdown and 3 for a field goal. So, if they made goals in soccer 6 points each, too, would that help?

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May 17, 2006

The Unasked Question About Immigration 'Reform'

If we build it, will they come?
Everyone assumes that the millions of illegal immigrants living in the United States will jump at the chance to accept whatever amnesty program is offered to them. No one is asking what happens if they choose to remain in the shadow economy. But why shouldn't they?

Why should an illegal alien who has for years successfully flaunted immigration, employment, and tax laws be eager to join the new Peculiar Institution of the "Guest Worker" program? Will they be enticed by the opportunity to pay a $2000 fine and back taxes? Maybe the chance of being registered and tracked by the US government will seem attractive to them after all those years off the grid. Certainly being ordered to learn a foreign language, English, must have illegals all excited and eager to begin night classes.

Why would people who have fled the corrupt Mexican system, where la mordida rules every encounter with government officials, suddenly decide that ICE is their friend and savior? Especially since virtually the entire US government has declared that they are beyond the reach of law enforcement?

And what will we do when they, in their millions, don't come?

Cross-posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto, Stop the ACLU, and Vince Aut Morire.

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1 Same arguments I heard in '86. Government said only 1 million would come forward for amnesty. Over 3 million showed up.

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at May 17, 2006 12:01 PM (WOQ34)

2 I'm with MCPO. Illegals will rush to get this like hamsters to bread. Like Paris Hilton to cameras. You make being illegal sound great. Truth is, being legal is their dream, the way I see it. You don't have to worry about getting in trouble, and getting deported. (Whether it is a realistic fear or not, it is a widely felt one--like your fear of being killed by islamofascists for blogging, only much more realistic). You can vote, and qualify for federal benefits. You have clear and obvious rights. And--you get paid a lot more, and can unionize. Employers can't rip you off quite so easily. A lot of illegals get hired for a day, a week, a month, and then--guess what? Don't get paid, because their employer knows that there is no way to enforce an illegal contract. So yeah, they'll take this with both hands, and pay $2K, whatever it takes. I think the key is, secure the border, or another 12 million come. Whatever it takes. Build a wall if necessary. But we cannot have an unmonitored, uncontrolled border, not after 9-11 most especially. A long hard road to earned citizenship is the only solution for the 12 million already here (if for no other reason than millions of them have US citizens who are children...can they all stay at your house after you deport their parents?)

Posted by: jd at May 17, 2006 12:28 PM (aqTJB)

3 Every last illegal immigrant I know wants in, because they *do* actually pay taxes (those that do not work in contractor jobs such as construction, at least,) and their work status (read: their employment) is tenuous at best. Every last illegal, that I know at least, is pursuing avenues to citizenship here, not just being a 'guest worker.' So that might be something to consider as well.

Posted by: MiB at May 17, 2006 12:49 PM (Uesws)

4 jd, I recently received my fourth death threat. Your continued stupid remarks about this issue is why I continue to place you in my "dumbass" commenter category, but I do make some allowance because you're still young and foolish enough to think yourself immortal. A couple of brushes with death might cure you of this naivetÃƒÂ¨.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at May 17, 2006 01:06 PM (RHG+K)

5 This is really good reading on the history of the initial amnesty of 1986 and how it's been extended and expanded trough 2000. http://www.numbersusa.com/interests/amnesty_print.html

Posted by: Oyster at May 17, 2006 01:25 PM (ASk6Y)

6 MCPO Airdale: That may just prove that the government wildly underestimated the number of illegal aliens here in '86. I've heard estimates as high as 30 million for the true number here today. MiB: You'll forgive me if I take your comments with a large grain of salt; you being an obvious supporter of the corrupt Mexican government and all, and having virtually no loyalty to the US... There's another related unasked question: everyone assumes that illegals send half or more of their salaries to Mexico to support families there, but many are, in fact, building savings accounts for themselves so that they can eventually return and live the life of luxury. How large is this faction?

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at May 17, 2006 01:29 PM (RHG+K)

7 I just recieved my 4500th penis enlargement ad over email, DPB. I think it is as likely that my trouser snake becomes porn star size as you are in any danger whatsoever. (It's very close as it is, of course...) You raise a good point about the estimate of illegals could have been off in 1986, and could well be off today. It's what Rummy would call a "known unknown." But I still think legal status is the holy grail for most immigrants. There will be an initial convincing period, but the leadership of the community will do that. As for saving for palatial residences for "themselves". WPost did a great series about El Salvador, and how many immigrants are building "palaces" for themselves back home (that cost 30 to 90K to build, a fortune down there). But I don't know how you can distinguish between Jose who saves to build his famiy a home, and Jesus who saves to build "himself" one. He gets to live in it, either way. Unless you meant building savings accounts HERE? to live the life of luxury here? I consider that unlikely. 90K doesn't buy too much house in most of America, and you need to make a lot more to get by. When I was in Mexico last month, I heard about a lot of Americans who retire down to border areas of Mexico, because you can live like a king on 10K or 20K a year. And you can hire someone to clean your house, be your nurse, for even cheaper in Mexico than you can get illegals in America. Of course, you are signing up to live under a capricious government corrupt beyond the worst days of Chicago...

Posted by: jd at May 17, 2006 01:42 PM (aqTJB)

8 I agree. They will not come forward. They already have what they want, our jobs, free education, free healthcare, and many other government benefits thanks to American socialists and do-gooders.... The U.S. anchor baby policy guarantees that this will never change....... At least they can't vote. And NEVER should. Let them go home to vote for Vicente (the liar) Fox, and lock the door when they leave.

Posted by: n.a. palm at May 17, 2006 01:52 PM (iO83U)

9 The speech was very clear: from now on, any foreigner willing to go legally in the United States in order to work there will have to communicate his fingerprints while entering the country.They will have to subject themselves to these procedures, formerly only imposed to criminals and to spies, not to immigrants and visitors, and even less to citizens. Indeed, Bush said in his addresses on Immigration Reform: Â“A key part of that system [for verifying documents and work eligibility of aliens] should be a new identification card for every legal foreign worker. This card should use biometric technology, such as digital fingerprints, to make it tamper-proof.Â” The proposal launched by president Bush to deploy the National Guard at the Mexican border and to introduce sophisticated electronic devices is only part of a brilliant communication strategy. Its actual function is not to protect the border, but to direct public attention far from the true reform set in motion by the Bush Administration: biometric security. http://www.magmareport.net/biometrics.html

Posted by: Magma Report at May 17, 2006 01:53 PM (ypMce)

10 http://www.soundpolitics.com/archives/006027.html If you do not think urban democrats are registering and allowing illegal's to vote think again. The last Governor's election was stolen by the dems by a 124 vote margin. How many aliens voted? The polls in King county are run and administered by the dem machine. You can walk in to a precinct and get a provisional ballot and not even be on the voting rolls. Over 50,000 were counted in King County in the 2004 election.

Posted by: Brad at May 17, 2006 02:03 PM (3OPZt)

11 jd, do you wear a seatbelt when you drive? Why bother? The odds are vanishingly small that you will get in a car accident at any given time. I suggest you lead by example by posting your real name, phone number, and both your George Mason University and home addresses. I won't follow suit, but at least you won't look like such a phony hypocrite.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at May 17, 2006 02:06 PM (RHG+K)

12 I don't trust this government, I don't care which party is in power, to be thorough and discriminatory enough. They are never efficient nor thorough. Furthermore, I'm concerned that in the meantime, while congress is trying to one-up each other on who is the most compassionate to those who are here illegally in order to secure their votes when and if they become citizens (it's just disgusting to watch them), they are rushing the border in record numbers to get here and take advantage of the situation. How quickly can the National Guard get deployed to the border and get it secured? Judging by everything else the government does, nothing significant will be done for months. Just watch these congress critters. They won't just extend this "sort-of-amnesty" to the workers and their families who are here, but their families in Mexico as well. This means spouses, children and parents. This whole deal will be handed to them on a silver platter and we can take the number of those who do "go for the deal" and multiply it by four or more.

Posted by: Oyster at May 17, 2006 02:25 PM (ASk6Y)

13 The government has draged it's heels for over 35 years on this issue alone. It will now talk about doing things like building part of a fence to calm folks down. But, what will really happen is soon there will not longer be Canada, United States, or Mexico. There will be a North American Trade area. This is what Bush, and the other memebers of the CFR are working so hard to make happen.

Posted by: Leatherneck at May 17, 2006 02:45 PM (D2g/j)

14 One of the things that many don't understand is what do the illegals want. You might be surprised to know they don't want to live here. The vast majority of illegals I know, yes that's many, are sending over half the money they earn back to Mexico for deposit in accounts so they can buy a house there and raise a family. It really is all about the money. If there were decent jobs in Mexico they would have never came in the first place.

Posted by: bill at May 17, 2006 02:47 PM (7evkT)

15 Bluto: "Blah blah you support the mexican government blah blah" Man, you're really reaching, aren't you? Now that you've got absolutely nothing you have to blanantly make stuff up. You belong in the democratic party, Bluto, you'd be in good company.

Posted by: MiB at May 17, 2006 02:59 PM (Uesws)

16 Just read that the senate passed 370 miles of fence construction. Yeah!!!!!!!!!!! good fences will make much better neighbors.

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at May 17, 2006 03:04 PM (aH6Zf)

17 You've had four death threats and I only got one? Bastard!

Posted by: Vinnie at May 17, 2006 03:55 PM (/qy9A)

18 I don't post my addresses just because I like posting anonymously, not because I think I'm in any danger. Hell, I think IM has threatened to liquidate me on several occasions. I haven't upped my insurance. Deep down, I know he's really a sweet old guy. Driving kills more Americans than just about anything. If you show me where islamofascists have killed Americans for blogging, I'll take it seriously. But this immigration debate is getting interesting! I don't think they get "free health care" anymore than poor Americans do. That means, yes, if you have emergency medical needs, it's paid for. But if you injure yourself building a house in a non-OSHA worksite, you don't get anything. You don't get dental, you don't get chronic, you don't get check ups. You don't get treatment on a regular basis (there are free charity clinics, but hey, that's those damn Christians screwing everything up again!) Illegals get very few government benefits, and it is largely determined by the state electorate. Plyler v. Doe did say their children had the right to a public school education, and while I support a massive wall if necessary, I also support educating the ones who are already here. Otherwise, we'll end up like France.

Posted by: jd at May 17, 2006 03:56 PM (aqTJB)

19 jd: cowardly hypocrite. MiB: you think Republicans should be in favor of open borders, as you are? Are you retarded?

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at May 17, 2006 05:22 PM (RHG+K)

20 I just saw two families of illegal aliens. I want to help the poor, but we have enough poor in this country already without increasing the load. Check out the Heritage fondation web site, and subject on who uses welfare the most.

Posted by: Leatherneck at May 17, 2006 05:25 PM (D2g/j)

21 NO U Yawn. You're a supposedly grown man, Bluto, act your age. Name calling is the last refuge of a man with no argument.

Posted by: MiB at May 17, 2006 05:27 PM (Uesws)

22 You know, jd, I strongly support education of these kids, but often the parents negate all of it by not caring enough to become involved or encouraging them. And it's not just a problem with the illegals. The hard part is simply teaching foreign children to communicate fluently and many schools are working against us in that regard. They're mandating that the teachers be bilingual and have classes accomodating them without the bother of teaching much if any English. That's the biggest barrier we face with the children. Parents often don't encourage them and every day they go home to a household where not a word of English is spoken. There's no motivation.

Posted by: Oyster at May 17, 2006 06:01 PM (YudAC)

23 Only 4 death threats ? I live in Manhattan on 105th Street I get that many each week over parking spaces. Bluto if someone really wanted to kill you why would they wish to warn you ? Just to make it more sporting ?

Posted by: john Ryan at May 17, 2006 06:04 PM (TcoRJ)

24 Oyster, I agree that bilingual education is a problem when it works the way you describe. But that type of bilingual education is on the way out, all across the country. You know who is its greatest opponent? Immigrants. They don't want their kids handicapped, economically. They want them speaking English. They want them to be better off than they are. It's tough for them to say it to us, perhaps, because their English sucks, but that's what I've been told. I used to teach English to immigrants, from ages 15-72! The enthusiasm was unbelievable. They didn't want bilingualism--they wanted English. The transition points from partial immersion to total immersion get shorter all the time. In my county, the only bilingual schools have huge waiting lists--because native parents want their kids to grow up knowing two languages, and the best way to do that is learn it before you are ten. And if you look at anti-immigration literature from the 1870s, 1890s, 1920s...they said the same thing about Italians, about my own Jews and Yiddish, about Germans...yet all those groups lost their language in two generations. Mexicans are present in greater numbers, as ONE group. They are also bordering their mother country. They also have a large population of non-Mexican spanish speakers. For all these reasons, you are right to be more concerned about it than they were in 1870 about Yiddish. But I believe, in the end, that the force of English, in culture, in economics, in politics, will inevitably win. If you only speak Spanish, it is condemning yourself to lower salary and fewer cultural and romantic choices. In fifty years, many of the children of immigrants will have pretty poor Spanish. In seventy, their grandchildren will be true Americans--monolingual! I went to a high school where SEVENTY languages were spoken. English kicked all the other languages' asses. It's winning world wide, it will win in Tucson and Los Angeles and even, someday, in Miami.

Posted by: jd at May 17, 2006 07:29 PM (aqTJB)

25 Well, regardless of what anyone else says or does, I'm heading down to the border in a little over two weeks to spend a week with the Minutemen. I intend to do everything in my power to stop these illegals from entering the US. We need more. It's time for lazy Americans to get off our asses and stop this crap, because the government isn't about to do it. I have a concealed carry license valid in Texas and I am going armed. I will protect myself. I will protect my country. It is time to stop this invasion, and this is truly an invasion, no one can question that. It must stop. And we have the power to stop it. Now.

Posted by: jesusland joe at May 17, 2006 08:21 PM (rUyw4)

26 This whole charade is making me want to wretch. We have a president so stupid that he actually thought a provision in a previous immigration bill requiring aspiring citizens to "promise to be upstanding citizens" would work. Probably work as well as the enticements to pay back taxes and be tracked 24/7. What imbecile is coming up with these hairbrained ideas?

Posted by: Richard at May 17, 2006 11:16 PM (7KF8r)

27 You're correct jd. But that's why the flow has to slow down. I grew up just outside of Miami. There are areas there where no one, absolutely no one, speaks English still. Many of these areas have the most crime and the least income. I grew up with lots and lots of Cubans and Seminole Indians. I lived in Key West for ten years after that with a large population of Cubans. I found that those in Key West "all" spoke English and I would confidently say that it was because the mix was really mixed. There isn't a "Cuban neighborhood" in Key West. Everyone deals with everyone else. Total immersion is the key. Yet in Miami they holed up in separate communities and effectively cut themselves off from the rest of the population creating their own subculture and standards. Cops HAVE to be bilingual, teachers HAVE to be bilingual and yet, they don't apply the same standard to themselves. Their children are bilingual, but as long as the influx of immigrants exceeds the rate of true integration those neighborhoods remain cut off. I've worked with a Mexican guy just this past couple years who has a green card. After two years he still won't speak English, he won't even try. A word here, a word there, but that's all. I introduced him to a friend I know who teaches ESL and hooked him up with free instruction with my friend. He wouldn't show up. He's now had two DUIs as well. After two years he is still washing dishes. He works like a dog and we would gleefully upgrade him to a cook's position so he could make more money, but as long as he can't speak or read English, it won't happen. He can damn sure calculate his paycheck though and act indignant with much waving of arms as he learned one phrase, "More money!" The fact is, we don't pay him slave wages and he makes more that the other dishwashers because he works so hard. Eventually he quit and went elsewhere for work. He was back in my office last week trying to communicate that he wanted his job back. I didn't have room for him and had to tell him no. And yet I still worry about him.

Posted by: Oyster at May 18, 2006 06:15 AM (YudAC)

28 Fascinating and very real story, Oy. I agree that we need to control our borders, stop illegal immigration as fast as possible. If it takes a militarized border, so be it. I'm not for deporting the 12 million who are here, but I'm for making it impossible for another 12 million to come. Nowhere on earth does a nation as rich as the USA border a nation as poor as Mexico. Nowhere. And the countries to the south of Mexico are significantly poorer. If we don't control this border, we are in for a downward wage spiral. And that's just one of many problems.

Posted by: jd at May 18, 2006 09:10 AM (aqTJB)

29 u clearly need mental help. grow the fuck up

Posted by: isabelle at May 19, 2006 09:38 AM (1E41r)

30 Hey Oyster. How you doing. I to went thru the Me am ee experience. I have a home on Coral Reef Drive (153rd SW) near the zoo entrance. After, four years in Me am ee I noticed my children speaking with an accent. No wonder. I went to the school and found that my kids English teacher spoke with a heavy hispanic accent. Moved back to Northern California were I found that Two Rock elementary school was badly in need of funds. Why? Because they had to hire spanish speaking interpreters for illegals who couldn't speak English. It's everywhere, it's everywhere. Hiding in Mississippi. Katrina, Mexican workers everywhere. Is it going to happen here too. MUSLIMS IDIOTS, LIBERAL IDIOTS. What the hell is happening? Illegal works steals social security card and illegally works for a few years and gets social security benefits for life. Social Security going bankrupt. Illegal dies. Eleven kids in Mexico get Social Security from United States. Ahhhhhhh!!!!! Our enemies are right. We are stupid.

Posted by: greyrooster at May 19, 2006 09:30 PM (AWtJU)

31 Much to my chagrin I was between jobs and standing in a long line with " South of the Borderians " at the employment office in Miami. A clerk came to another window an uttered something in Espano~l. As dozens of Cubans and Hispanics rushed to line up at the window, the clerk repeated in Englisa: " This window is now open ". I found myself at the end of the line, again. Start getting used to reading road signs in Spanish/English. Not long after that you will read Spanish/Arabic/English signs. Coming to a local highway near you!

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 19, 2006 10:27 PM (FCC6c)

32 Hey Rooster. I know exactly where you're at. Haven't been back to spend much time in South Florida, or Miami for that matter for many, many years, but I go to Key West every year for the mini bug season. My brother lives in Hollywood very close to our old home. Since you've talked at length about the Katrina victims and who's helping rebuild and who isn't, I've been listening to a lot of news reports about the rise in crime in cities which have offered refuge to many of those who fled New O and decided to stay in their new host cities. Even here in Jacksonville, our crime has risen notably and the murder rate has doubled. A lot of the churches here tried to do the right thing and offer housing and help to Katrina evacuees and I think now we're being bitten in the ass for it.

Posted by: Oyster at May 21, 2006 04:50 AM (YudAC)

33 NO is a cesspool which God tried to wipe off the map. It is evil city. Evil people are drawn there like magnets, attempting to outdo whatever the last horrific crime was. NO is surely the Devil's playground. Happens to be below sea level. Now their evil spawn have scattered amongst their host cities, bringing their evil with them.

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 21, 2006 09:28 AM (FCC6c)

34 The mayor of the chocolate city ray (dipshit)negin says agrees that God destroyed New Orleans. However, he has publicly announced that God did it because of the war in Iraq. AND this idiot was just reelected buy people more backward that the Iraqis. Walking the back streets of Bagdad is not as dangerous as walking the back streets of NO.

Posted by: greyrooster at May 22, 2006 07:42 PM (pSK/I)

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May 12, 2006

AFA's Conquest Against Ford Will Hurt America

Lately the American Family Association (AFA) has been putting a full court press against Ford Motor Company to cease and desist their support of homosexual marriages. While, ideologically, I agree with AFA that gay marriage is an immoral and unacceptable practice that should never be legal, I find their campaign a tad bit bothersome from an economic perspective.

I will be upfront and honest, I drive a 2001 Ford F-150; I actually like the truck and go to Ford for service on it. However, I don't like GM products. Right now I think it's overpriced, under-quality products coupled with their poor customer relations (with me specifically) makes GM a poor choice for vehicle purchases. So if you rule out Ford and GM that leaves you with Chrysler. Name one quality car (not truck or minivan) Chrysler has made five years in a row. If you can't, you're not the only one. So when you rule out Ford because of their political motives, GM because of their bad service and products, and Chrysler due to their horrendously bad track record that leaves you with nothing but foreign cars to pick from.

Some people think that's okay because Toyota's most popular car in America, the Toyota Camry, is predominately made in America. Honda has a presence here in the states and even BMW has a plant in Greenville, South Carolina. But, most of the foreign automakers are assembling one or two vehicles here in the United States, not all their vehicles sold here in the US. Walk around a Toyota lot and look at the stickers that tell you what percentage of the car was made in what country. Couple that with the small size of most Japanese cars and you're leaving guys like me with few options.

The one option you're leaving me with is the option I took last summer, Nissan. I bought my wife a surprisingly roomy Nissan Altima and guess where that car was made, 100% overseas. So the real question here is should you side with American workers or American values. In this case it's hard to have your cake and eat it too.

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1 Why on earth does Ford even have an official opinion on the matter? They're a car company, for crying out loud! This is a lot like celebrities who believe playing a politician makes you knowledgable about politics.

Posted by: MegaTroopX at May 12, 2006 06:41 AM (DoXAy)

2 Contrary to what you may believe, Chrysler is not an American company. It's owned by a German company. Get the Nissan--they make great cars.

Posted by: miriam at May 12, 2006 06:54 AM (MohB8)

3 I drive GM and I've found the newer it is more it costs to fix it. Same with Ford the dealer here where I work is a ripoff artist, fortunately there is another Ford dealer I can deal with. I've driven both Ford and GM. Started with Ford but wound up on GM. a few things I liked about GM is the were a bit easyer to service than Ford there for a bit. But I 100% agree with you the AFA. I got an AFA flyer yesterday I may post on. I'll not give it away just yet.

Posted by: Howie at May 12, 2006 07:35 AM (D3+20)

4 Toyota makes its cars here in America, and Ford makes them in Mexico, so what is a "foreign" car these days? Buy American, buy Toyota.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 12, 2006 07:36 AM (8e/V4)

5 "I agree with AFA that gay marriage is an immoral and unacceptable practice that should never be legal" That Mary Cheney -- what a heathen. Who raised that devilspawn, anyway?

Posted by: Theo at May 12, 2006 07:38 AM (7AEHv)

6 Don't forget about the Toyota Tundra. A great truck and in September, a new Tundra plant opens in San Antonio, TX. Toyotas last forever.

Posted by: Gary at May 12, 2006 07:55 AM (fC2pg)

7 I love.. no.. LOVE my Jeep. A Chrysler product. I love it not because of who makes it, but what it enables me to do.. the image it presents of strength, durability and rugged freedom. The same qualities I love about the United States. The AFA is making a good fight protecting the dwindling values that we (some of us) were raised on for generations. I do, however, feel their fight is a bit late in the making. I agree with MegaTroopX's comment that Ford is a car company.. why do they have a stance on gay marriage in the first place? And entertainers thinking they are politicians? Its silly. Go make another car/cd/movie/tv show and stfu. kthx.

Posted by: JT at May 12, 2006 08:06 AM (YcEOH)

8 I used the link to the American Family Association. It seems that one of the things that they are most upset about, at least on that current web-page, is the refusal of Ford to remove "sexual orientation" from the list of practices to which Ford says that they will not discriminate against. With vehicles becoming grotesquely complex, expensive, and over engineered keeping your old vehicle is a viable option.

Posted by: john Ryan at May 12, 2006 08:12 AM (TcoRJ)

9 >>>That Mary Cheney -- what a heathen. Theo, some posts are just too stupid to ignore. Yours is one of them. He didn't say Mary Cheney was a heathen, he said gay "marriage" is immoral.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 12, 2006 08:12 AM (8e/V4)

10 Jesusland Carlos, your response to my post was too stupid to ignore...so here I am.

Posted by: Theo at May 12, 2006 08:21 AM (7AEHv)

11 you can buy a nissan, honda, or toyota--if you want a gook car made for gooks.

Posted by: Unashamed Patriot at May 12, 2006 08:31 AM (y+196)

12 Shameful traitor, "gook" cars are the best value on the market. I only buy gook cars-- especially now that they are made on U.S. soil.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 12, 2006 08:34 AM (8e/V4)

13 That is your right as an American to be a traitor and buy cars from those filthy nips. I have had the same car for the past 33 years, a plymouth road runner. Have rebuilt the engine twice--last time beyond stock to the tune of about 465HP and one complere rebuild of the 727 transmission. I bought American and have never had to buy again. Damn proud of that driving machine over the years watching these pathetic American traitors litter the highways with filthy foreign shitboxes. Traitors, all of them.

Posted by: Unashamed Patriot at May 12, 2006 08:39 AM (y+196)

14 traitor, except American cars aren't American anymore, GOOK cars are-- built right here in the good ol US of A. Support the American worker -- buy Toyota.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 12, 2006 08:43 AM (8e/V4)

15 This has nothing to do with Ford's advocacy, but ... The only Ford I ever had was a '92 Ranger. Fantastic little truck - what a workhorse it was. I have a 2000 Tahoe now and my trusty '97 Jeep. The Tahoe is a great car. It has a couple minor design flaws, but it's been very reliable and I need it for carrying big stuff around. I'm with JT on the Jeep though. I LOVE my Wrangler. It's what I drive most of the time. Hubby bought a Honda motorcycle back in '97. Made in the good ol' USA right down to the paint. He still has it and it's never been in the shop. When Harley riders give him grief to "buy American" his only response is, "Put your pink slip where your mouth is. Let's take a ride from FL to CA and you can only stop for gas. I'll have your slip before we reach Louisiana."

Posted by: Oyster at May 12, 2006 08:43 AM (+tpTD)

16 Ford does not have an OFFICIAL stance on gay marriages; they merely support and sponsor events in the gay community. What a bunch of narrow-minded twats you are.

Posted by: BITTER at May 12, 2006 08:52 AM (GefuU)

17 Hey MexicoLandCarlos, Keep doing what the jap wants you to do, get rid of your car every couple years to line his pockets with American cash while his filthy offspring rapes our women and terrorizes our country. Those of us who bought American still have our American made vehicles decades later. I do not brake for those yellow bastards either.

Posted by: Unashamed Patriot at May 12, 2006 08:56 AM (y+196)

18 Shameful, why would I get rid of my gook car every couple of years when my Acura seems to last forever? I've had it for 10 years and it still drives like it did right off the lot. If Detroit wants people to start buying their cars, they need to make a decent car-- here in America, not Mexico. "For the first time, more foreign-brand cars sold in the United States were built here -- 3.7 million -- than were imported -- 3.4 million -- according to the Center for Automotive Research, nonprofit auto industry analysts in Michigan." http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2005/09/04/made_in_america/

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 12, 2006 09:06 AM (8e/V4)

19 Well, I like to spread my money around. I own a Ford, a GMC, a Toyota, and a Nissan. Anybody wanna argue about that.

Posted by: jesusland joe at May 12, 2006 09:25 AM (rUyw4)

20 I wonder if UP knows where the computer he types his s**t on is made.

Posted by: Graeme at May 12, 2006 09:31 AM (QeG/l)

21 The first new car I bought out of college was a Chevy blazer. Brand new, it was a great ride for about 60 days. The thing began to squeak about 2 or 3 months after I bought it. After 2 years I had several problems covered by the 36/36,000 warranty. After the 3-year warranty expired, the thing completely fell apart. I kept putting money into it for a couple of years, then traded up to a new GMC Suburban. The story with the Suburban was almost exactly the same. It completely fell apart after 3 years. I had it paid off but it was like I had a car payment every other month with the repairs it needed. I kept putting money into the thing for a couple of years then sold it. At this point, I told my wife there was no way GM was getting another $30,000 of my money. I had a company car and I bought my wife a Honda Pilot. We have had it about 4 years and have never had a problem with it. I bought a Toyota 4-runner for myself about 2 years ago and it has been a great car. The guy who owns the company I work for has had a Lincoln Navigator for about 3.5 years. This Ford product has been at the dealer for repairs at least 10 times in the last 2 years. It is now out of warranty, he owes about 30k on it and the problems he takes it in for are never fixed correctly. I laugh when he tells me how the guys at the dealer suggest he trade it in for a new one. That in a nutshell seems to be the American auto industryÂ’s version of customer care and service. Pass the piece of crap you own on to the next guy and buy a new one from us. I do not know what the answer is for the American auto industry. I do know that they will not get me to pony up $30k for a new car unless something changes. I just donÂ’t see anything happening to convince me that the American auto industry has learned anything at all. They have fooled me twice, never again.

Posted by: Brad at May 12, 2006 09:57 AM (BJYNn)

22 I think UP is a Kossack engaged in quote-seeding. "Racism on The Jawa Report". "Due to high levels of comment spam, commenting at mu.nu has been suspended for a brief period. You will be able to comment again as soon as the flood of spam abates somewhat. Please try again in a minute or two. We apologise for this, and believe us, we hate spammers even more than you do. " Dammit! Cut that out spam-bots!

Posted by: MegaTroopX at May 12, 2006 10:43 AM (DoXAy)

23 Try a Toyoda Tundra made in Indiana. Unlike ford trucks that probably have half their parts assembled in mexico anyway.

Posted by: Jones at May 12, 2006 11:42 AM (YiBJB)

24 You need an ally. Who you gonna choose? Moonbats on the left, homos on the right. I refuse to buy anything not made in America. That way I am in a small way not supporting the undoing of America. When I finally drive my Mazda into the ground ( I bought it before I became politically correct ) I think I will forgo a car and save myself the grief of spending all day filling out mounds of forms at the Dealership while listening to some chain-smoking salesman. As for Ford, I will not do business with any dung-doodling advocates.

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 13, 2006 11:38 AM (FCC6c)

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April 28, 2006

Separate and Unequal in Sweden.

Mulims in Sweden have no respect for Swedish law, in fact they would like a separate set of laws to govern themselves.

Via The Local :Sweden's largest Muslim organisation has demanded that Sweden introduce separate laws for Muslims, according to Swedish television. Sweden's equality minister Jens Orback called the proposals "completely unacceptable".
The Swedish Muslim Association, which represents around 70,000 Muslims in Sweden, has sent a letter to all Sweden's main political parties suggesting a number of reforms, SVT's Rapport programme reported.
The proposals include allowing imams into state (public) schools to give Muslim children separate lessons in Islam and their parents' native languages. The letter also said that boys and girls should have separate swimming lessons and that divorces between Muslims should be approved by an imam.
The letter provoked an instant, and damning, response from integration and equality minister Jens Orback.
"We will not have separate laws in Sweden. In Sweden, we are all equal before the law. In Sweden, we have fought for a long time to achieve gender-neutral laws, and to propose that certain groups should not be treated like others is completely unacceptable."
Orback said he had spoken to representatives of the Swedish Muslim Council, and they did not support the association's position.
"We have freedom of speech, we have the right to opinions and we have the right to make proposals - but if a law is going to be changed, it must be the same for everyone."
Asked whether the proposal plays into the hands of racists, Orback said that it did.
"I think it is very problematic and unfortunate that people who have been in Sweden for so long make proposals such as this that are so opposed to our intentions, when we are fighting for women's rights and the right to divorce," Orback replied.
Liberal Party leader Lars Leijonborg also slammed the idea of separate laws.
"Sweden has equality between men and women. To introduce exceptions for Muslims so that women can be oppressed with the support of the law is completely unacceptable to me," Liberal leader Lars Leijonborg wrote in a statement.

Sharia Law is unacceptable in general I think. I suggest that if Muslims in Sweden want to live in a nation with Sharia Law they should move to one. When in RomeÂ…..

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1 "separate but unequal" Muslims are racist for wanting to segregate.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 28, 2006 02:07 PM (Wu4Nk)

2 boy I butchered that first paragraph. Fisked

Posted by: Howie at April 28, 2006 02:22 PM (D3+20)

3 I have to ask, for all those who claim that the vast majority of Muslims are moderate (and they may well be right): 1. Is this the action of moderate Muslims? 2. If not, where is the outcry from the moderate Muslim population? 3. If they're afraid to speak out due to Swedish extremists, can you list any examples?

Posted by: Lurking Observer at April 28, 2006 02:47 PM (/ZD7V)

4 Every time they get their numbers up, they demand this crap. It will happen here too.

Posted by: Leatherneck at April 28, 2006 03:56 PM (D2g/j)

5 Muslims have no respect for anything and should not be allowed into the civilized world.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 28, 2006 04:23 PM (0yYS2)

6 The request is ballsy, but it's not suprising. For many years muslims have been learning that western governments are willing to give them most of what they ask for with little fuss, all in the name of diversity. They didn't get a good reaction this time, so they'll go back, tweak the proposal to sound more gradual and benign and then try again. Leatherneck's got it right. Everytime muslims demand something, locally or internationally, a population number gets quoted (look at how often we hear that there are 1 billion muslims in the world) as if that's the only justification needed to give them what they want - no matter how ludicrous.

Posted by: Graeme at April 28, 2006 04:28 PM (3wOSK)

7 I say we whittle down that number by a few hundred million. A few ICBM's should do the trick nicely.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 28, 2006 05:55 PM (0yYS2)

8 Sweden will give in. A few murders is all that will be needed to do the trick. I predict it will happen very soon, perhaps in as little as two years.

Posted by: jesusland joe at April 28, 2006 07:14 PM (rUyw4)

9 Ontario, Canada is already on the path. My question is, if Canadian law is secular and sees both parties, especially in family disputes, as equal parties AND Muslims contend (verbally) that men and women are treated equally, then what is the need for Sharia?

Posted by: Oyster at April 29, 2006 05:53 AM (YudAC)

10 I'll bet dollars to donuts that Sweden rolls over and gives islam its belly. I used to think that France would be first to do that, but Sweden is changing my mind. Was it just last month that Sweden changed it laws to allow muslims to call for the death of Jews? I think so.

Posted by: LindaSoG at April 30, 2006 01:38 PM (GBBmd)

11 Ship them out of Sweden. Quick?

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April 24, 2006

Sully's No Match for the Theocons

I guess one shouldn't expect much from Andrew Sullivan these days, but this second-hand swipe at Robbie George by way of Max Blumenthal just struck me as unfair:

But I was struck by this quote from George about the killing of abortionists. It was the first time I'd read it:

"I am personally opposed to killing abortionists. However, inasmuch as my personal opposition to this practice is rooted in a sectarian (Catholic) religious belief in the sanctity of human life, I am unwilling to impose it on others who may, as a matter of conscience, take a different view."
George is being funny, of course. But he sees no moral difference between an abortion and the murder of an abortionist.

What got to me about Andrew's comment was that he, himself, starts by observing that Robbie is making a joke (about the pat responses of liberal Catholics like John Kerry and Mario Cuoma), but then proceeds to analyze both George and the "theocons" as though they were seriously proposing the murder of abortionists. Just for the record, Robert George is opposed to capital punishment and would probably be willing to impose that constraint on those who disagree with him if it were legislatively feasible to do so. The real motivation behind Sullivan's attack is today's article in the NYT: "A Religious Push Against Gay Unions"

Just who is being morally inconsistent here?

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April 10, 2006

ACLU Rebuked in Upstate New York

From The Palladium Times:

ALBANY, N.Y. - A federal judge has ordered the Mexico school district to return bricks inscribed with evangelical Christian messages to a high school walkway, concluding their removal violated the free speech rights of the people who paid for them.
U.S. District Judge Norman Mordue ruled the bricks, with engravings like Â“Jesus SavesÂ” and Â“Jesus Christ The Only Way!Â” didn't constitute a Mexico Academy endorsement of that religious view. The bricks containing such engravings were the only ones removed, while others also referred to God and some commemorated Methodist, Episcopal and Catholic churches.
Â“The undisputed evidence demonstrates that Mexico Academy engaged in viewpoint discrimination when it removed plaintiffs' bricks from the walkway,Â” Mordue wrote. Â“Further, the bricks at issue, which number 9 among 1,736, literally constitute an insignificant part of the walkway.Â”

Of course the Mexico Central School District only removed the bricks after being threatened by Central New York ACLU representatives. It's instructive that the ACLU, which supposedly champions civil liberties, used bullying to try to deny free speech to people because that speech was religious in nature.

Via Stop the ACLU

Also posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto and Vince Aut Morire.

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April 05, 2006

MEchA: Working to Make Aztlan Real

MEchA = Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de AztlÃƒÂ¡n = Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan. MEchA chapters exist on college and high school campuses across America. Their goal is the liberation of Aztlan:

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1 They are the hispanic equivalent of white supremacists. The difference is that the Left has convinced the country that minorities are allowed to be racist. Something about minorities being historically victimized. And as we already know and have discussed on this blog at length, the only morality the Left recognizes is the morality of weak vs strong, poor vs rich. In other words, racism is actually moral when practiced by the "weak."

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 05, 2006 10:45 AM (8e/V4)

2 That is a disgusting post. Of course you did not do any research into exactly how popular those racist, idiotic organizations are - or else you'd have not made the insulting claim that such is what the illegals "really want." These organizations are emancipated skeletons staffed by retards, not some big power player in the hispanic community, as you seem to wish to imply. They're practically nonexistant as a power in Texas and back in Los Angeles the only time I saw Mecha was a local campus club - which had a half dozen people in it total. Frankly its disgusting even by blogger standards to see such ignorance tossed out as fact. I know you'd like to knee-jerk against any illegal immigrant and stereotype them as some sort of evil terrorist/communist/traitor, but the facts of reality do not bear you out - at all. In the future, I would request you do not talk out of your ass and claim you know whats the illegal immigrants in America "really want." I'd expect this kind of thing from Kos, maybe, but I'm severely annoyed that Rusty has some joker on his website posting such nonsense.

Posted by: MiB at April 05, 2006 11:22 AM (2hPsb)

3 Mib (aka Santiago), read the rest of Bluto's post about how Mecha and the Aztlanists are in the high schools and colleges organizing these marches. What are your comments about that? And do you think that sheds new light on all the Mexican flags being waved.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 05, 2006 11:26 AM (8e/V4)

4 The map makes me wonder just how many activists they have in Central American countries that they consider part of Aztlan. Or are they just sitting in the US claiming all of Central America as theirs?

Posted by: Anachronda at April 05, 2006 11:46 AM (Y7t14)

5 Geez, MiB, you could at least come up with new text. After all, I posted your "Santiago Valenzuela" email to the other thread.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at April 05, 2006 12:02 PM (RHG+K)

6 Hey, did I miss something in history class? I thought that whole region, actually, the entire North American region, was populated prior to the Spanish conquestadors, and other motley europeans. So, wouldn't Azatlan be just as bad to the native americans as the US is to the chicana/os? I mean, it's obvious that these folks are full of shit, I just was curious how high they are planning to pile the overflow.

Posted by: yo at April 05, 2006 12:30 PM (Stkxb)

7 yo, they claim spiritual and genetic solidarity with the Aztecs.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at April 05, 2006 12:51 PM (RHG+K)

8 Are there any Aztecs left? What about the "indians"? I'm just so terirbly confused by all of this.

Posted by: yo at April 05, 2006 12:58 PM (Stkxb)

9 You won't be confused once a high Aztec priest is ripping your heart out on the altar of Qetzalcoatl.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at April 05, 2006 01:32 PM (RHG+K)

10 Ok, is that something I have to sign up for, in advance - or can you just show up and get in line?

Posted by: yo at April 05, 2006 01:56 PM (Stkxb)

11 Sadly, too many high school students donÂ’t know the difference between legal and illegal immigration. But itÂ’s not surprising, because their teachers and the news media call illegal aliens Â‘immigrantsÂ’ and Â‘undocumented workersÂ’. Legal immigration means Americans are making conscious choices about who they admit for citizenship, illegal immigration is simply an invasion. The students who are walking out of school and protesting today should really be asking themselves why their cities and states encourage illegal immigration by offering benefits to illegal aliens. ThatÂ’s a slap in the face to every legal immigrant who waited in line for their chance to come to America. My name is Michael Class. I live in the Seattle area with my wife and two children. I am a retired "dot-com" executive who just couldn't sit by and let the mis-education of our youth go unchallenged anymore. I wrote, photographed, and published a book designed to set the record straight, to properly prepare our children for the future. My book is called Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame. In the book, my real-life son, twelve-year-old Anthony, time-travels to 1907 and meets his immigrant great-grandfather at Ellis Island. Anthony listens as officials question the new arrivals and document their intentions in the United States. Anthony witnesses the personal impact of immigration policy: He sees some people turned away at AmericaÂ’s door, causing families to split up. It's a harsh lesson: The purpose of immigration policy is to discriminate, to make choices about the people we want to admit to the United States. Even when admitted to the United States, Anthony learns that life in the new land is anything but certain. AnthonyÂ’s great-grandfather masters the language of America - English - and works his way through school, only to end up in the trenches of World War I, and then back in America during the Great Depression. Eventually, he starts a business, rises from poverty, and raises a family. To tell the story of America's earlier immigration experience, I used advanced digital photography to insert Anthony into historical photographs. And I didnÂ’t stop with family history: Anthony meets famous American heroes and witnesses pivotal events of the 20th century. Anthony is pictured in the cockpit of the Spirit of St. Louis with Charles Lindbergh, on the moon with Neil Armstrong, in the laboratories of Thomas Edison and Jonas Salk, and on Normandy beach on D-Day (see photos at:Ã‚Â www.MagicPictureFrame.com). Throughout the book, historical accuracy rules: Even AnthonyÂ’s conversations with AmericaÂ’s heroes are based on things they really said. While writing and photographing the book, I spoke with relatives of famous scientists and inventors, Holocaust survivors, award-winning biographers, and others who could help me ensure that the facts of the book were both accurate and vivid. The book includes more than 500 footnotes. But the book goes beyond a simple recitation of historical facts: the book presents the moral lessons of American history. The chapter about LindberghÂ’s flight is really about choosing oneÂ’s destiny. The story of Lou Gehrig is one of a virtuous life. The chapter about Thomas Edison is really about business. The story of Apollo 11 is about wonder, taking risks, and courage. The story of Dr. Jonas Salk and the cure for polio is really about dedicating oneÂ’s life to a higher purpose. AnthonyÂ’s observation of D-Day and the liberation of the death camps during the Holocaust is a testament to the reality of evil and the need to fight it. Back to the immigration issue: When Anthony meets his immigrant great-grandfather at Ellis Island, itÂ’s really a story about what it means to be an American. AnthonyÂ’s great-grandfather says: Â“I became an American because I believe in America, and itÂ’s my belief in America that makes me an American.Â” Anthony comes to realize the simple truth of the statement, and remarks: Â“America is an idea as much as it is a place. I am no different than my great-grandfather and all the immigrants who came to this land: I can only be an American by choice.Â” It's not an easy book. The book challenges the reader to see the modern world in the light of the lessons of the past. We can't afford to raise a generation of Americans who do not value their country, their heritage, and their place in the world. As Abraham Lincoln said: America is the "last best hope of earth." Thank you. Michael S. Class Father / Author / Photographer / Publisher Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame: An American History Book for Right-Thinking Americans and Their Children ----------------------- E-Mail: class@MagicPictureFrame.com Web site: www.MagicPictureFrame.com

Posted by: michael class at April 05, 2006 02:47 PM (SfWc1)

12 This raises a couple of questions for me.. 1) Will they reject Spainish as their language? that was introduces by the Spainards WAYYY back in the 1500 and 1600s or so.. 2) Will they reject Christianity as well and revert back to human sacrifice like that Aztecs did? Okay, so maybe not the human sacrifice.. (insert your own virgin joke here) (copied from above) 1) We are Chicanas and Chicanos of AztlÃƒÂ¡n reclaiming the land of our birth (Chicana/Chicano Nation); 2) AztlÃƒÂ¡n belongs to indigenous people, who are sovereign and not subject to a foreign culture

Posted by: The Other Dave at April 05, 2006 03:25 PM (o03mE)

13 http://www.l*times.com/news/printedition/la-na-bush2apr02,0,3846108.story?page=3 Four years later, Sosa produced a variation of that video for the 2004 campaign that was mailed to Latino voters across the country. The video includes images that would probably rile those who today are calling for the most restrictive immigration laws. At one point, Bush is shown waving a Mexican flag. The footage was shot, Sosa said, during a Mexican Independence Day parade in San Antonio in 1998, when Bush was running for reelection as governor. The five-minute video, narrated by Bush, opens with an image of him fishing on his property near Crawford, Texas, as he essentially described millions of Americans who populate his home state as the true foreigners in someone else's native land. "About 15 years before the Civil War, much of the American West was northern Mexico," Bush says in the video. "The people who lived there weren't called Latinos or Hispanics. They were Mexican citizens, until all that land became part of the United States. "After that, many of them were treated as foreigners in their own land," Bush adds. He says the "Latino spirit" was fueled by "strong conservative values" of family, a strong work ethic, faith in God, patriotism and personal responsibility. "These values are my values," Bush says. "I live by them, and I lead by them."

Posted by: Andre at April 05, 2006 03:41 PM (/u+1F)

14 The Aztecs never ventured as far north as the Mexican border. Like Rome, in the day, they ran operations from their capital and extracted rents from tribes as many and distant as possible. Unlike the Romans, they weren't that big into road building: Cortez found nothing but trails. Not surprisingly, they didn't establish garrisons like the Romans, either. Bottom line: they didn't have that big of an empire.... It did not ever extend up into the dry deserts up north. It took the Spanish crown to provide any political linkage. It took the missionaries to provide ANY cultural linkage. Like the Aryan cultural history this one is totally fabricated. It's appeal to blood and land does come from Nazism. Reconquista needs to be slapped down all the way.

Posted by: blert at April 05, 2006 04:06 PM (MKbty)

15 >>>Reconquista needs to be slapped down all the way. The problem is that the Reconquista is not an armed movement that we can blow up with some bombs. It's a demographic explosion in slow motion that by the time we realize it's a problem it's too late. I worry that too many will come too fast for them to assimilate to OUR ways-- instead they'll just bring Mexico with them and turn us into a third world country. But I am grateful that Mexicans aren't violent religious fanatics of the variety currently overwhelming Europe from the middle east. That's the one thing we have going for us that the Euros don't. Latin Americans are not violent fanatics. They are good christians inculcated in Western values. They're a fairly passive people too, of good values and good work ethic when given the chance. So it's not all doom and gloom. It's the Leftists who want to use them that I want dead.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 05, 2006 06:45 PM (8e/V4)

16 Be careful what you ask for. What do they think southern California will turn into if they turn it into Mexico? Come to think of it, perhaps the easiest way to deport most of the illegals is to just build a new fence with them on the other side of it. In that case, everyone wins. They get 'their' land back, and we reassert our authority over our borders. Maybe not. One the US left that land, everyone would be very eager to get the hell out of there just like they are from the rest of Mexico.

Posted by: Fred Fry at April 05, 2006 08:24 PM (HJnrm)

17 They are terrorists. Brown supremacists. The Aztecs made their capitol in Mexico City, not even close to Texas. They are F.O.S.

Posted by: RepJ at April 05, 2006 09:41 PM (Ffvoi)

18 You should all do some research before you make fools of yourselves making comments about issues you don't know anything about. Also, making vague, racist statements that are unsupported by actual facts is a cheap way of making yourself feel like you are worth more than others. Either way, in the end, you lose.

Posted by: memyselfandI at April 06, 2006 12:11 AM (SEZGy)

19 Yeah, that's right!

Posted by: memyselfandI at April 06, 2006 12:13 AM (SEZGy)

20 Oh yeah, one more thing: VALLANSE AL DIABLO PINCHES CABRONES!!!

Posted by: memyselfandI at April 06, 2006 12:15 AM (SEZGy)

21 memysefl, speaking of actual facts, Cesar Chavez was against illegal aliens because they made it harder for him to unionize the farm workers. In fact, Mr. Chavez used to report them to la migra. What do you think about that you fool.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 06, 2006 12:15 AM (8e/V4)

22 Nuke Mexico.

Posted by: Andre at April 06, 2006 05:37 AM (/u+1F)

23 No, Andre, we shouldn't nuke Mexico, but rather just take it. I'm sure most Mexicans wouldn't mind since they pretty much all here now anyway, and then they wouldn't have to sneak back and forth at the risk of their lives, and they would actually get a less corrupt government. Well, somewhat less corrupt.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 06, 2006 01:32 PM (0yYS2)

24 IM, I agree. We could take over Mexico, change their corrupt system, and then Mexicans would no longer have to leave their country. These Leftwing immigration activistas are actually enabling Mexican corruption and the exploitation of their "indigena" brethren south of the border.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 06, 2006 01:53 PM (8e/V4)

25 Lets celebrate the 4th of JULY and to hell the CINO DEMAYO and KWANZAA

Posted by: sandpiper at April 08, 2006 07:42 AM (bzZNq)

26 Talk about racist, look at the site www.aztlan.net. It is very anti-American and anti-semitic and very racist and very evil.

Posted by: Go Home at April 09, 2006 05:07 PM (IBaij)

27 Hey guys, i found this site via google news! I actually think its great that everyone is discussing this... because the truth only comes out when enough people question what has been stated as fact right? As far as "Mexicans taking over the land" i think its a joke, it'll most likely never happen. (You can never say never and never say always). But, what has been outlined in that aztlan (where did that come from anyways?) more or less actually depicts what used to be considered "mexican territory." Someone also stated that the capital is in Mexico City, far from "the border" (with the US). That is correct, but it is a little known fact that the "Aztecs" which were the predominent society, did rule that far. It is also sad to say that they didn't treat "native americans" (those we call indians in the US) very well either. But, because of their "advanced civilization" they did pick on them. For those of you who question what an advnaced society is, compare the aztecs to the romans in that they were HUGE because of their civil engineering and agriculture areas as well as in other areas. Now, to clarify, many look at mexico like its a country on the same level as one in africa. Mexico is really a different world that is most definitly not comparable to a "real 3rd world country." If you want to play the angle of "technically, yes it is" then i can say, The united states is not one of the largest economies in the world (as a whole), that is soley the west coast of the US, and more exclusively, California (which at least a few years back it was the 3rd largest individual economy in the world). And that is fact. Treat "those people like crap" and you can only imagine what'll happen to the rest of the US. Anyhow, Everything would be so much better if people kept asking questions and actually knew their history... "history is written by those who win." Many don't know what really happened when mexico "sold their territory to the US." I don't think it matters now. But what does is this, someone said "Do they even speak aztec?" Well, maybe not the actual aztec language, but there are still MANY 'native languages' spoken in mexico. As there were many different types of peoples living in its land. So if these people causing an uproar to "take the power back" are 2nd-3rd......10th generation "mexicans" i don't think they have any basis to claim anything. I myself am 1st generation "mexican american." Once your family has been in the country more than 1 gen you intigrate much better. Almost ALL 2nd gen and down that i've come across don't even speak spanish anymore! My father was a chemicle engineer sent to new york, and then relocated to Los Angeles. We 'migrated' legally. And to be honest, i've had racist teachers who left me with physical life long disabilities. I'm not crying about it, but i do know for a FACT that this 'stuff' still exists. So i say, "don't try to take back what is lost" but do say, "we have to learn to live with eachother or else everyone loses." Its that simple! And for those who claim "what racisim? i'm white, i get discriminated more than whoever else..." All i have to say is, when did the signs come down from public businesses that said "No dogs or niggers allowed"... and these are facts backed up by PICTURES. Can't we all get a long? - Rodney king I've moved on, i'm sure these others who want to be proud of something can too. That doesn't mean shut up and sit down, like a teacher used to tell us!

Posted by: Xavier at April 09, 2006 08:47 PM (9n7+q)

28 Just so you know, Aztlan was the land the Mexica people had before they were called Aztecs and before they founded Tenochtitlan on what it is now Mexico City. Aztec means "People from Aztlan" in Nahuatl, their native language. Aztlan was located, according to their legends, somewhere at the north of what later on would be Mexico, where now is California, Arizona, Nevada, and New Mexico. They left Aztlan searching for the "promised land", which would be revealed to them by an omen from their gods. That omen turned out to be an eagle eating up a serpent standing over a nopal tree. The legend was recovered during the independence and is still on the mexican flag. So Aztlan was really on the north, just before Tenochtitlan was even there. That being said, let me say I was born in the US from mexican parents and I think this whole "chicano" thing is just bad. If "chicanos" want to have their mexican ways they can very well return to Mexico. If they want to be in the US they better start working and adapting themselves to the society they want to belong. I am no chicano, I don't undestand that word and I don't share their views. I am a Mexican-American. And I will work and obey the law wherever I am and feeling proud of what I am. I am not a land-less person, I am a child of both worlds and I feel comfortable calling both home. I've been called "gringo" by my mexican relatives and "beaner" by my american friends and it doesn't bother me. I am both. So please stop the nonsense and let's get to work together. Taking sides it's just stupid and divides us.

Posted by: MexicanAmerican at April 18, 2006 10:21 AM (Mt0hc)

29 you guys either need to get a life or informed, if this is what you think MEChA is about you guys have seriously been misguided by whoever told you this is what mecha was because you obviously didnt make the opinion by yourselves, and no they dont want Aztlan back they want their rights as human beings back!!!!!

Posted by: Claudia at April 21, 2006 09:10 AM (vY8W7)

30 Claudia, follow the links. This what MEchA says they are all about. Go argue with them if you disagree with what they're saying.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at April 21, 2006 10:18 AM (RHG+K)

31 Chicanos make me laugh! This is THEIR HOMELAND? Then I suppose my family of American Natives known as Apaches and Navaho never existed in the American southwest? Mecha Chicano's and Chicana's YOU SURE ARE DUMB! Go home to Mexico and fix your REAL HOMELAND. Aztlan is no more than a fantasy in their heads. But then anyone would wish to make the United States their homeland even if they have to make it up!

Posted by: Diane at April 26, 2006 06:53 PM (4wkLF)

32 Boycott Cinco De Mayo! Do not buy anything from the illegals from now on. We do not need their products or services and we do not have to go into their stores or restaurants anymore! Do not go into a business that hires illegals from any country!

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April 04, 2006

Aztlan: What the Illegals Really Want

Wormed into the very heart of the illegal immigrant "civil rights" movement is the concept of Aztlan, and people like Hector Carreon. Carreon's La Voz de Aztlan (The Voice of Aztlan) is one of the network of subversive websites that helped organize the recent marches in several US cities.

What is Aztlan?
The dateline from this article by Carreon about an "Immigrant Sanctuary" voted in by useful idiots on the city council of Coachella, CA reads [emphasis added]: "Los Angeles, Alta California - March 24, 2006" more...

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1 It's about time Jawa blogged Aztlan. Aztlanists are right up there with islamic terrorists on my shit list. What they want would lead to nothing short of bloody ethnic violence and civil war. And to them, patriotic hispanics like me are "vendidos"-- we are sold out to whitey. So I'm right up there on their shit list too if they ever take over.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 05, 2006 12:44 AM (8e/V4)

2 As an 8th generation Californian(Family sailed around the horn almost 200 years ago) I think someone should give these guys a history lesson. Russia took California away from France (yes France, Mexico and its states were a French colony for several hundred years!) in the 18th century. James K Polk sent Captain Freemont to San Francisco ( The Othodox Catholic name given the city by the Russians in the 18th century, the Mexican name for SF was Yerba Buena)to tell the Russians not to interfere with our plebiscite in 1848 (We actually had an effective intelligence agency back then and Knox Polk knew about the gold 2 years before the rest of the world) The Russians and the Bolsheviks hated America for 150 years becaus of this. It is also why the French gave Jefferson the Louisiana territory for such a low price; they knew they could not defend it and something was better than nothing. Of course many of the people who believe "America" took California away from "Mexico" also believe 911 was a Mossad operation and all the Jews stayed home from work that day! They make up history to suit their agendum.

Posted by: Rod Stanton at April 05, 2006 03:45 AM (HpV+N)

3 Can you imagine the nightmare if the Mexican-American border didn't just run along the southern states and instead ran all the way up through Arizona, Utah and north of there? By now they would be demanding Oklahoma, Kansas and Iowa. And if anyone thinks they were any kinder to native indians, they've got another thing coming.

Posted by: Oyster at April 05, 2006 04:53 AM (YudAC)

4 Yesterday I saw a truck with a decal that read Viva Mi Raza. Nobody will ever speak one word in protest of this, but if I get a WHITE POWER bumpersticker, I'll be arrested. It's about time to start the shooting.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 05, 2006 05:54 AM (0yYS2)

5 Subject: What will the future "Populist Vote" be like??? The problem is that years of government inaction on enforcing our laws and of having virtually open borders, have bred a "false sense of security," and an attitude of "arrogance" in most of these illegal Mexicans and Central Americans, such as that of the man interviewed on the Spanish speaking TV network, Univision, who has already been deported "eight" times back to El Salvador, and yet says "he will keep coming back," nonchalantly with a snicker of indifference on his face; or that of Jorge Ramos the Univision TV anchor, and Jaime Rodriguez, self proclaimed "organizer" of the LA demonstrations and the forthcoming May 1st protests, who have repeatedly retorted in TV interviews to critics of the "Amnesty" Legislation so many are trying to shove down our collective throats in Washington, "defiantly" and with a smirk of "in your face" smugness on their faces: "So, we are here now America, and we are going nowhere. What are you going to do about it ???" confident in their "hubris" that we will either find it too controversial, or inhumane, or politically incorrect, won't have the rersolve, or just won't have "the balls," to simply begin to enforce our laws, actively crackdown on illegal immigrants, and systematically deport them, as well we should!!! From what we have witnessed over the last two weeks with American flags being flown upside-down beneath Mexican flags, and Mexican flags being hoisted in our schools, the "this is our land" posters, and the "Che Guevara," "It's time for revolution" T-shirts worn by all the "La Raza" and "Aztlan" sympathizers whose professed goal is to symply overrun us demographically to in effect take back the American Southwest, and indeed the rest of the US, by fiat of their sheer numbers reflected in the "populist vote"; any person not blinded by "saccharine idealism," or "political ideology" can discern that many of these people have the least desire to "integrate" and or "assimilate" into our society, which they hate in principle as having "exploited" them and robbed them (Mexico) of their land, and which in their minds many have come to equate to their former "Spanish Overlords," whom they have been taught to despise for generations, but rather on asserting their "national identities and customs," and imposing their "culture" on us!!! As I have stated before in other posts, in a chilling analogy, viruses infect a Â“hostÂ” cell, by destroying its DNA and supplanting it with their own, which then goes on to turn out more copies of the invading virus. In a similar manner, if the shade of the things to come does not change...that may very well be the fate of America, and we will become just another "Mestizo" (those of mixed indian-spanish descent comprising 98% of the population of these countries) "Banana Republic," or an "extension of Mexico" as in the "Republica del Norte" Aztlan dreams.... God only knows that even today, standing on a street corner of many of our major cities, one would think he was in "Michoacan" or "Tegucigalpa," instead of on a street in America!!! Althor

Posted by: Althor at April 05, 2006 07:05 AM (wZLWV)

6 Q. Just say for a minute that we gave them aztlan........what would they do with it? A. Turn it into a total ghetto (all be it with latino style), spray painted everywhere with macho anarchist slogans and bullet riddled bodies amid the massive rubble. soundslike agreat idea to me. WAKE UP AMERICA

Posted by: n.a. palm at April 05, 2006 07:09 AM (uO8TL)

7 What they want is to take our part of the USA to make it part of mexico again lets just build a wall

Posted by: sandpiper at April 05, 2006 08:34 AM (O2c+K)

8 From : Santiago Valenzuela sanjavalen@gmail.com Sent : Wednesday, April 5, 2006 9:51 AM To : dreadpundit@hotmail.com, "rusty shackleford" mypetjawa@gmail.com Subject : Re: "What Illegals Really Want" Since the comments roll on the Jawa report is broken... That is a disgusting post. Of course you did not do any research into exactly how popular those racist, idiotic organizations are - or else you'd have not made the insulting claim that such is what the illegals "really want." These organizations are emancipated skeletons staffed by retards, not some big power player in the hispanic community, as you seem to wish to imply. They're practically nonexistant as a power in Texas and back in Los Angeles the only time I saw Mecha was a local campus club - which had a half dozen people in it total. Frankly its disgusting even by blogger standards to see such ignorance tossed out as fact. I know you'd like to knee-jerk against any illegal immigrant and stereotype them as some sort of evil terrorist/communist/traitor, but the facts of reality do not bear you out - at all. In the future, I would request you do not talk out of your ass and claim you know whats the illegal immigrants in America "really want." I'd expect this kind of thing from Kos, maybe, but I'm severely annoyed that Rusty has some joker on his website posting such nonsense. Santiago

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at April 05, 2006 08:47 AM (RHG+K)

9 Santiago is correct. Most hispanics have probably never even heard of Aztlan or Mecha. It's the equivalent of the marxist International Answer organizing a march and 10,000 useful idiot Liberals showing up. Two separate groups, yes. But they are like two separates hands that wash each other. I think it's valid to know what role Aztlanists have in ORGANIZING these rallies. Blog that, Bluto.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 05, 2006 09:11 AM (8e/V4)

10 Annexation of Mexico ItÂ’s time has come, Annexation may be to strong a word, but, as with Puerto Rico, A commonwealth may be the answer. Think of it, if Mexico were to become a commonwealth of the United States, the questions concerning our borders would be eliminated (or at least moved further south). We could then Utilize their resources creating a state that is self-sufficient and a productive partner of the United States

Posted by: Vegas Vic at April 05, 2006 09:14 AM (Ej1c6)

11 I consider every Mexican flag raised at an illegal immigrant rally in America to be a vote for Aztlan.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at April 05, 2006 09:54 AM (RHG+K)

12 >>>>I consider every Mexican flag raised at an illegal immigrant rally in America to be a vote for Aztlan. Your comments, Santiago?

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 05, 2006 10:03 AM (8e/V4)

13 Rod - You do not understand. If big government liberals can not rewrite history to support their cause they would ban teaching it in school.

Posted by: Jo macDougal at April 05, 2006 10:09 AM (HpV+N)

14 OK Bluto here is something else to worry about. Saint Brendan discovered America, in 530 and claimed it. Every Irish flag you see raised MEANS WE ARE REASSERTING OUR SOVEREIGNTY !!!

Posted by: john Ryan at April 05, 2006 10:18 AM (TcoRJ)

15 For my own part, I don't have anything against Hispanics in general; in fact I like the hell out of them, because they're generally honest, decent, hardworking people and make good friends and neighbors, but I won't have any sonofabitch from here or anywhere else telling me they're going to take part of my country. We're going to have to hang a lot of muslims and liberals pretty soon, and if there's any La Raza assholes want it too, rope is plentiful and cheap.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 05, 2006 10:22 AM (0yYS2)

16 john ryan, if 500,000 illegal alien Irishmen show up waving their Irish flags, we'll have a problem with them too. Show some fucking respect in other people's country. Funny how Libtards like john ryan, who apologize for illegal alien disgustingly rude behaviour, are the first to criticize Americans overseas because they are "loud and obnoxious". John ryan, but not nearly as loud and obnoxious as people coming to our country and waving their foreign flags.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 05, 2006 10:35 AM (8e/V4)

17 Not to mention having the arrogance and audacity to take advantage of our lax enforcement of our immigration laws to go rally, half a million of them ("two million" acording to Javier Rodriguez, one of the organizers...yeah, right!), "demanding" that we naturalize them, flaunting their "illegal" status, and their Mexican flags, with impunity in our faces, chanting anti-American slogans, and basically telling us by their brazen actions, as did Jorge Ramos, the news anchor from the spanish speaking channel Univision, on the Lou Dobb interview: "They are here, they're not leaving, and what are you going to do about it?" with a cynical smirk of "hubris" on his face, confident in his view that the American people are too "politically correct," "effeminate," and "skittish," to have the "cojones" to just round them all up and send them packing back to Mexico where they belong!!! Politicians in Washington have a "vested" interest in keeping these influx of illegal aliens flowing into the country. We the People should take note of every politician, be it Senator Mc Cain (who perhaps it would have been better for us all, had he and his huge "ego" stayed back in the Hanoi Hilton,rather than all the mischief he keeps causing here in America in the Senate), or Senator Kennedy (you know if he supports something, it must be "bad" for America!), Republican, or Democrat, and "Vote Out of Office" all those who want to sell us out again, and are voting to shove down our throats this illegal invasion "AMNESTY" under whatever guise or name, such as "Guest Worker Program," they may push it or call it! It is about time in Congress, that they DO REFLECT the will of the people they "ostensibly" represent in Washington, and REALLY secure our border, enforce our Laws to begin with, and send these illegal aliens back as most Americans want. Period!!! We need more workers??? Overturn "Roe v. Wade," and start "making" Americans, here in the USA for a change, instead of "aborting them"! And in twenty years time we'll have all the workers we need!!! It is appalling that we've gotten to the point where we are even "outsourcing" that most basic function for the survival of any species or organism...."reproduction"!!!! We are getting ours from Mexico now to replenish our aging population!!! Althor

Posted by: Althor at April 05, 2006 12:41 PM (wZLWV)

18 Jesusland Carlos, The only problem I can think of with 500,000 Irishmen would be drunk in public..

Posted by: The Other Dave at April 05, 2006 03:15 PM (o03mE)

19 There is an "Aztlan Apartments" on the beachside here in Florida. So this movement is a lot larger than you think.

Posted by: Andre at April 05, 2006 03:33 PM (/u+1F)

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March 13, 2006

George Clooney as: 'The Liberal' (Translated)

George Clooney is holding forth at The Huffington Post. Here's a helpful translation from the original La-La-land dialect:

I Am a Liberal. There, I Said It!
I am a liberal. And I make no apologies for it. Hell, I'm proud of it.

Translation: Because I make my living pretending to be other people I use exclamation points to let you know when I'm being serious. I am ~~assuming a role~~ announcing a political orientation that allows me to have ready-made positions on all issues without having to think about them. I have even had some great pretend debates on liberal issues. So there. more...

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1 It's easy for actors like George Looney to be a Lib. He just has to memorize the talking points. That's basically what they already do for a living.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 13, 2006 01:21 PM (8e/V4)

2 I think his PR person just sent out a bunch of releases to various media outlets - his DVD comes out tomorrow and he's looking for some attention. In the mathematics of Hollywood, attention = sales. Also, how can he even seriously vocalize that he's afraid of criticism (wahh....). What planet does he currently live on? Has he not heard of the fatwa?

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at March 13, 2006 01:37 PM (aH6Zf)

3 He used to have a blog at journalspace just before the elections and couldn't take the heat so he stopped comments and then the day after Bush won, he stopped posting. We had hoped his disappearance was more serious. There were a few very important things he neglected to highlight in his movie about Murrow. Things that would have, how should I say, completely debunked every single virtue Clooney tried to portray Murrow as having. Clooney's a hack. And a bad one at that.

Posted by: Oyster at March 13, 2006 01:53 PM (g9UJq)

4 Whose George Clooney?

Posted by: hondo at March 13, 2006 03:54 PM (fyKFC)

5 On Oscar night, Hollywood, that well-known enemy of oppression, tyranny, intimidation and fascism, was silent (even though Al-Quaeda asserts that their mutual enemy, President Bush, did a "Bring it on" for the Cartoon Jihad.) George Clooney proved again why many ladies and neo-coms consider him a mind too, and not just a Fortunate Hunk. One of his movies showed the socially redeeming side of Islamic terror, and the other bravely raked over Joe McCarthy, the most raked-over Senator in U.S. history. Gorgeous Georgie proclaimed that Hollywood is ahead of the curve, and he doesn't mind being "out of touch" in the right way. Possibly the closest they came to a cartoon statement was in not naming "Brokeback Mountain" as Best Movie. Were they fearing the evangelicals, or dreading the Koranics calling them 'Homosexual Crusaders'? Everyone agreed that the liveliest (meaning most honest?) moment was the award to rappers Three 6 Mafia for Best Song, another example of black entertainment success in Liberalized America. But unlike most previous winners, like "Secret Love," "The Shadow of Your Smile," "Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head," "Call Me Irresponsible' etc. it's unlikely that Hollywood's 2006 selection can be played in the Middle East except where they need another example of the Great Satan: "It's Hard Out There For a Pimp........" from 'The Dane That Roared' at gringoman.com

Posted by: gringoman at March 13, 2006 04:06 PM (8pPui)

6 You know, just for giggles I think I'll go on over and see just how the commentary goes since he's inviting dissent. What really cracks me up is his "question authority" mantra these days. Sure, it's a good and noble concept. I think we can all agree on that. But two things come to mind since he started that a couple years back. 1) George is particularly fond of questioning authoritative figures which don't follow the liberal agenda (okay, mostly just GWB) and 2) once you've "questioned authority" enough times to get the attention you want, shouldn't you have been right at least often enough to expect others to continue to take you seriously? Now cover me - I'm going in.

Posted by: Oyster at March 13, 2006 05:10 PM (YudAC)

7 I'm embarrassed to say that I'm related to this asshat.

Posted by: Princess Kimberley at March 13, 2006 05:50 PM (9xjdU)

8 Not one measure of value can be given to any liberal's remarks, and doubly so for actors, because they live pampered lives in a fantasy world where everyone else is responsible for their well-being, and they are neve held accountable for their actions, or expected to contribute to the good of humanity in any way.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 13, 2006 06:01 PM (0yYS2)

9 .. riiiiight, George. No coincidence, whatsover, that you come out with this enciteful rant right when the ad campaign kicks in for the DVD release of your politcally charged movie about overzealous politicians, ... which is next week. None. Whatsoever. ... yeah ... k. dick.

Posted by: Yo at March 13, 2006 07:31 PM (6DvwA)

10 Whose George Clooney?

Posted by: hondo at March 13, 2006 08:51 PM (fyKFC)

11 Translation: Jawa the Hut is a moron who can't even come up with any sensible rebuttals to George's well-thought-out blog entry. Oh, and Oyster, maybe you should try naming some "authority figures" that "follow the Liberal agenda" whom George - or anyone else - should question. And btw - nice debating technique - "There were a few very important things he neglected to highlight in his movie about Murrow. Things that would have, how should I say, completely debunked every single virtue Clooney tried to portray Murrow as having.", but conveniently you don't mention what they were. Nice one - kinda like Dum(b)ya saying there was evidence for WMD's but never saying what it was. And last but not least, we've got Princess Kimberley, authoress of such enlightened bits of ignorant prose as "Let's nuke Iran, enslave the survivors, and put them to work in the irradiated oil fields!" and "Go AIDS!". And here I thought the Neaderthals had gone extinct ...

Posted by: Riot Nrrrdâ„¢ at March 13, 2006 10:35 PM (jkjNi)

12 >>>"Let's nuke Iran, enslave the survivors, and put them to work in the irradiated oil fields!" and "Go AIDS!". lmao! The funniest part is watching the Leftards go absolutely apeshit about stuff like that.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 13, 2006 10:38 PM (8e/V4)

13 "Leftards"? Oh, that's creative. Labels are for cans. Yeah, nuking people and AIDS are real funny, huh.

Posted by: Riot Nrrrdâ„¢ at March 13, 2006 11:02 PM (jkjNi)

14 "Labels are for cans." They say the empty can rattles the most. Your name is accurate. You are a riot. As in hilarity.

Posted by: Vinnie at March 13, 2006 11:25 PM (f289O)

15 So is "Nrrrrrrrd" like "Grrl"? Awesome dude, I feel your ripe, existential angst. Good thing you trademarked it, lots of folks like to call themselves Nerds. Maybe CafÃƒÂ© Press can whip up some nerdpacks with "Riot Nrrrrrrrrrrd" on them. We're talking hotcakes baby! Hotcakes! Jesus Vinnie, who lets these bozos in here?

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at March 13, 2006 11:47 PM (RHG+K)

16 shorter George Clooney: waaaaa!!! little bitch crybaby. I hope he slips another disk.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 14, 2006 12:32 AM (8e/V4)

17 I just can't get worked up over the pretentious ravings of the hollyweird set. I mean really, Clooney has all the intellectual capacity of pocket lint.

Posted by: nuthin2seehere at March 14, 2006 04:02 AM (blNMI)

18 Isn't it cute when kids have a tantrum and everyone just laughs at them, then they stomp off, infuriated, to break their own toys so as to avenge their dignity? Then they grow up to become liberals, (without maturing), and vote dhimmicratic. More tantrums and self-inflicted punishment, only now, it's considered a Constitutional right, and they want to break all other kids' toys too. You know kiddies, it won't stop hurting until you stop hitting yourselves.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 14, 2006 05:57 AM (0yYS2)

19 Okay Mr. Nrrrd, I didn't go into detail because to comment on Clooney's version of Murrow would take up quite a bit of space and this isn't my blog. But in order to please the one person here who either doesn't know what particular non-virtues I speak of or thinks everyone here is too ignorant to already know what I'm talking about, I'll give you one point. Now bear in mind this includes but is not limited to this one point in Clooney's attempt at rewriting history because there are a lot more things wrong with this movie than are right: Overall, Murrow took a weekly show dedicated to reporting actual news which traditionally saved the last few minutes of the show for actual commentary and opinion and turned the whole show into an expose' of opinion during the time he was seeking to discredit and vilify McCarthy. He blurred the lines between opinion and actual news in doing this. Several shows as a matter of fact. In "real history" Murrow was roundly criticized at the time for it not only by the "witch hunting" conservatives, but by their liberal counterparts as well. Clooney never alluded to that in his movie and continues to ignore it in real life as he's too busy deifying Murrow undeservedly. And to this day, the Murrow award is routinely awarded to agenda driven journalists in the same mold as Murrow himself. If you want more specifics, just let me know.

Posted by: Oyster at March 14, 2006 06:25 AM (YudAC)

20 Also, Mr. Nrrrd, you couldn't simply ask me what points I was referring to, you had to snidely put me down implying I didn't know what I was talking about. There was nothing "convenient" nor tactical in my brevity. I wasn't debating anyone at the time, but now I am. Ignoring the vitriol in your assessment of me I've responded to your implied challenge and if you're really thinking, you'll see I've partially answered both your questions. So on second thought, if you want more specifics, do your own reading.

Posted by: Oyster at March 14, 2006 07:11 AM (YudAC)

21 Also, Mr. Nrrrd, you couldn't simply ask me what points I was referring to, you had to snidely put me down implying I didn't know what I was talking about. There was nothing "convenient" nor tactical in my brevity. I wasn't debating anyone at the time, but now I am. Ignoring the vitriol in your assessment of me I've responded to your implied challenge and if you're really thinking, you'll see I've partially answered both your questions. So on second thought, if you want more specifics, do your own research. (I hope this doesn't post twice. I got an error)

Posted by: Oyster at March 14, 2006 07:13 AM (YudAC)

22 TRANSLATED its just GEORGE CLOONEY telling the whole world he is a big time supporter of tyrany,oppession,biggotry, and terrorists throught outt he world in other words clooney is saying IM STUPID

Posted by: sandpiper at March 14, 2006 09:14 AM (b1Fi6)

23 I don't think we should take Clooney's words very seriously - he's a handsome (to some) opportunist with a DVD coming out and he and his staff are promoting it in order to increase sales. His activism is a pose - activism is popular in Hollywood - that is, "safe" activism about non-issues - I don't think Clooney thinks a whole lot about what "truth to power" might actually mean - he might have a wrinkled brow if he did too much thinking, and then he would need botox. The wierd thing is that this activism posing is not even very entertaining - expect in the case of Sean Penn - that was hilarious when he got in a boat after Katrina and the photo op showed him rowing in ankle deep water....but I digress.

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at March 14, 2006 10:04 AM (aH6Zf)

24 Mr. Nrrrd? You there? Or was that just another drive-by that your type is so fond of?

Posted by: Oyster at March 14, 2006 02:01 PM (g9UJq)

25 Hey Rio TrrrdÂ™: "...but conveniently you don't mention what they were." OK, let's call BS on the ClooneyTunes version of history right here: Annie Lee Moss really WAS a Soviet agent. You know -- like Alger Hiss? Any more questions?

Posted by: Ted Seay at March 21, 2006 06:16 AM (80hXa)

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Britain Next to Become Defacto Â“Muslim StateÂ”

See the Western Resistance Blog who asks why and article was pulled from the UK Telegraph. The article points out the strategy for creating an Islamic mini-state inside Britain.

UK Telegraph Via Western Resistance : "They think they have won the debate," he says with a sigh. "They believe that the British Government has capitulated to them, because it feared the consequences if it did not.
"The cartoons, you see, have not been published in this country, and the Government has been very critical of those countries in which they were published. To many of the Islamic clerics, that's a clear victory.
"It's confirmation of what they believe to be a familiar pattern: if spokesmen for British Muslims threaten what they call 'adverse consequences' - violence to the rest of us - then the British Government will cave in. I think it is a very dangerous precedent."
Dr Sookhdeo adds that he believes that "in a decade, you will see parts of English cities which are controlled by Muslim clerics and which follow, not the common law, but aspects of Muslim sharia law.
"It is already starting to happen - and unless the Government changes the way it treats the so-called leaders of the Islamic community, it will continue."
For someone with such strong and uncompromising views, Dr Sookhdeo is a surprisingly gentle and easy-going man. He speaks with authority on Islam, as it was his first faith: he was brought up as a Muslim in Guyana, the only English colony in South America, and attended a madrassa there.
"But Islamic instruction was very different in the 1950s, when I was at school," he says. "There was no talk of suicide bombing or indeed of violence of any kind. Islam was very peaceful."
"That is why they do not believe in integration. In 1980, the Islamic Council of Europe laid out their strategy for the future - and the fundamental rule was never dilute your presence. That is to say, do not integrate.
"Rather, concentrate Muslim presence in a particular area until you are a majority in that area, so that the institutions of the local community come to reflect Islamic structures. The education system will be Islamic, the shops will serve only halal food, there will be no advertisements showing naked or semi-naked women, and so on."
That plan, says Dr Sookhdeo, is being followed in Britain. "That is why you are seeing areas which are now almost totally Muslim. The next step will be pushing the Government to recognise sharia law for Muslim communities - which will be backed up by the claim that it is "racist" or "Islamophobic" or "violating the rights of Muslims" to deny them sharia law

So again we see the only rights Islam respects is their own. Never mind every one else, just donÂ’t upset them. Why are we in the west allowing ourselves to suffer the degradation of our rights while allowing a repressive system to rob us of our own sovereignty? Is this not sedition or treason? They seek to form a state within a state openly thwarting and doing and end around of the legitimate authority of the British Crown. Yes, sounds like organized treason to me!

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1 When I lived in England, the city of Bradford was the largest population of Pakistani immigrants, almost like a huge echo chamber. My friend moved there and left there within a month. Bradford Pakistani riots go figure.

Posted by: davec at March 13, 2006 12:44 PM (CcXvt)

2 for people that think that protests against the minutemen project etc, is isolated consider these stories from the U.K in regards to immigration centers: Immigrants can sue for "illegal" detention Nigerian, MMoroccan, Albanian sentanced for violent riot in immigration center Moonbat protesters present before riot ...this is how it starts.

Posted by: davec at March 13, 2006 01:02 PM (CcXvt)

3 davec, And soon being brought to you in the USA by liberal appeasers like George Clooney and those fools at the State Department who keep issuing visas to these Muslim colonizers. The difference here is that the people are armed and many of us are sick and tired of this Islamist bull.

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 13, 2006 01:04 PM (rUyw4)

4 He speaks with authority on Islam, as it was his first faith: he was brought up as a Muslim in Guyana, the only English colony in South America, and attended a madrassa there. Why, he must be a racist!

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 13, 2006 01:36 PM (8e/V4)

5 Has he gotten a fatwa yet?

Posted by: Oyster at March 13, 2006 02:45 PM (g9UJq)

6 Don't buy Halal food or muslim friendly goods...the companies that pander to Islam will soon get the message. As for the UK press, they like to attack their own Royal family but back-off condemning Islam. DaveC I agree, Bradford is a mess as is every muslim neighbourhood, these folk are like rats.

Posted by: Jester at March 13, 2006 04:56 PM (QKZX5)

7 jester, Sometimes it is hard to know what to buy, but I assume that there are few things even manufactured in the Middle East and SW Asia, other than what is produced in Israel. Jester, are you still in the UK?

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 13, 2006 05:03 PM (rUyw4)

8 I'm a member of a very large international flight simulation community, its the only gaming I enjoy. Aside from the sim a variety of subjects are discussed and when it concerns Muslim influence in Britain its interesting reading the responses from folks living there. There are a variety of opinions and 'solutions'. A few understand the problem as most of us would but most appear deeply conflicted as political correctness is killing them. On the one hand they want to see themselves as tolerant ingrained with progressive multicultural values. A quasi-socialist we-are-the-world mentality. They're quick to criticize myself and others when mentioning the dark side of Muslim culture and its utter intolerance, not wanting to be "intolerant" themselves. They really have no answers... and yet they don't like, even fear what's happening. There is not much tolerance toward America tho, we seem to be a perfect scapegoat for their egos. For some, if it wasn't for the eevil Bush they wouldn't be having their problems.

Posted by: Javapuke at March 13, 2006 06:03 PM (uBoIX)

9 I'd love to be able to sponsor a shipment of rifles and ammo to the people of Britain, because their government, like ours, isn't on their side.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 13, 2006 06:03 PM (0yYS2)

10 Greetings JJ, I am living in New Zealand at present. My work takes me around the world. I know it is hard work out which food is which, but products that make a specific point of being muslim friendly are those I refer to.

Posted by: Jester at March 13, 2006 06:20 PM (QKZX5)

11 It is dawning on the world that Islam or Muslims need to be regarded as organized crime and cannot be given religious status but need to be regarded the same as the Ku Kux Klan or the Mafia. They need to be roped off and contained. Do we let the Mafia integrate into society? Or the Ku Kux Klan? Good thing we have caused them to come out and show their murderous hands before they have a chance to infiltrate decent societies any more than they already have!

Posted by: Justus at March 13, 2006 06:59 PM (Y2ILH)

12 I like Justus' point. If the Hells Angels started calling themselves a religion tomorrow and said we love guns, drugs, getting drunk, loud music and whores and we are all going to collect in one area and thereby usurp the authority of the government and impose the law of the brotherhood in the area we control. Well you get the idea.

Posted by: Howie at March 13, 2006 07:23 PM (D3+20)

13 I'm with you, jester. New Zealand seems to be safe at the present time, but I worry about Britain. Perhaps we can ship out to Britain and begin a reverse colonization, taking the 2nd Amendment with us, of course, sans Maxie. I like this idea.

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 13, 2006 08:38 PM (rUyw4)

14 You had best ship them to Britain along with a pallet of Depends, most British people think guns are evil. I guess that happens when your Government tells you they are, for long enough, and you're a society of sheep Liberals.

Posted by: davec at March 13, 2006 09:41 PM (CcXvt)

15 Hey Howie, where'd you say that church is located???

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 14, 2006 05:58 AM (0yYS2)

16 IM ya reckon we could get some followers? I does not exist yet. I reckon there will be some resistance from the man at first.

Posted by: Howie at March 14, 2006 08:26 AM (D3+20)

17 Will they put a turban on BIG BEN?

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February 26, 2006

Open Thread: Olympic Sports You'd Like to See

In a previous post I rated the GAY, STRAIGHT, or METROSEXUAL aspects of selected Winter Olympic sports. Hilarity ensued, with the bonus that we were able to mortally offend a fullblown moonbat who shall remain nameless so as not to offend her life partner, Boris.

Commenter slug has requested an open thread for the sports we'd like to see introduced.

Please keep your posts at the customary PG-13 level. Unless they're really funny.

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1 I would like to see the Snowball Fight added as a sport. Team USA could hide rocks in them when they go up against the Iranian team.

Posted by: Vinnie at February 26, 2006 05:58 PM (f289O)

2 I want to see a real biathlon with shooters armed with 7.62mm NATO rifles hunting for caribou or elk. The team with the biggest rack wins the gold medal. And all the members of the male figure skating teams have to clean the animals shot by the biathlon teams. Now that I would like to see.

Posted by: jesusland joe at February 26, 2006 06:15 PM (rUyw4)

3 I'd like to see a sleding race like something out of Ben Hur, where the sledders need to "kill or be killed" as they travel at high speeds down a steep mountain slope. Athletes should be permitted to take as many drugs as needed. And there should be no rules, none. Last one standing gets the gold, and if there's anyone else alive, they can fight over the other two.

Posted by: Asgerd at February 26, 2006 06:20 PM (3/J8G)

4 1) One of my favorites is one my buddies and I do at the beach house twice a year: a)empty several cases of beer; b) toss cans out into the yard; c) load/shoot .22 rifle*; d) whoever hits the most in row wins. Competition continues until we run out of ammo, until it gets too dark, or until everyone passes out. * Our place is secluded so a BB gun will work in a more populated area. 2)It would be pretty cool to dress up a bunch of competitors in those sumo wrestling outfits and just watch them fall down. That never gets old. 3)Anything where guys get hit in the sack. 4)Anything that could produce the new 'Agony of Defeat' guy. Any or all of these would mean higher ratings for NBC. However, I would keep the womens's figure skating. The only reason that gets high ratings is that men like to watch nearly naked 18 year olds with their leg over their own shoulder. NBC: call me.

Posted by: slug at February 26, 2006 06:29 PM (vQoK9)

5 I'd like to see "Polar Bear Cub Snatch". In this event the athletes (unarmed of course) must steal a cub while in the presence of its mother and carry it by hand over the finish line, 500 metres away. Points are awarded for the weight of the cub taken and the time taken to cross the finish line.

Posted by: Graeme at February 26, 2006 06:30 PM (RkR7z)

6 I'd like to see a more violent version of Ultimate Fighting Championship. No rules, in a cage till one man is completely unconcious. It would have clear winner, unlike the judged sports. The sport could also be used to solve international conflicts.

Posted by: Moose at February 26, 2006 06:37 PM (3btGz)

7 Moose, is this to be an outside or inside sport, because it would be much better if it were outside, in the snow, on top of a mountain. The term, "agony of defeat" would take on a new meaning.

Posted by: jesusland joe at February 26, 2006 06:42 PM (rUyw4)

8 It would absolutely be outside, winter olympics, on top of a mountian. No medics either for the loser.

Posted by: Moose at February 26, 2006 07:28 PM (3btGz)

9 Combined figure skating and curling event. Skater must cross in front of the stone several times.

Posted by: Marvin at February 26, 2006 08:21 PM (zktVb)

10 Ultimate Biathalon: instead of taking shots at targets, the various teams try to 'tag' each other. Snowboard Archery Catch: Snowboarders will attempt to catch arrow fired by expert archers while in the middle of elaborate jumps. Most arrows caught and still alive wins. Bobsled Chicken: Bobsleds are released at opposite sides of a very steep track and head right for each other at breakneck speeds. If one team hits the 'chicken switch' and bails, the other teams wins. In case of collision and death, it's a tie.

Posted by: Remulak MoxArgon at February 26, 2006 08:32 PM (/kHgK)

11 Downhill Speedskating. A very steep hill covered in ice, and speedskaters race down it while curling rocks are dropped behind them.

Posted by: Moose at February 26, 2006 09:49 PM (3btGz)

12 I'm late to the discussion - damn - but better late than never - I have a very important..personal...question: curling...gay,straight, or metro?

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at February 27, 2006 12:16 AM (aH6Zf)

13 My money's on Graeme's with one more twist. TBCUR.

Posted by: forest hunter at February 27, 2006 03:00 AM (Fq6zR)

14 Heroic Dreamer: curling is probably a symbolic fertilization ritual. The "stones" represent spermatozoons competing to be first to inseminate the "target", or egg. Thus, curling is categorized as STRAIGHT, but also as LAME.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at February 27, 2006 09:31 AM (RHG+K)

15 DPB: : ) This is me laughing at your funny joke. ..O( : \)> This is Mo (PBUH) puzzled because his head might detonate.

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February 23, 2006

Blogburst Announcement - 'Stand Up For Denmark'

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The Freedom's Zone international blogging community is encouraging all bloggers to help 'Stand Up For Denmark' by immediately writing a post on Christopher Hitchens' call for a demonstration at the Embassy of Denmark, between noon and 1 p.m. this Friday, Feb. 24.

Please be outside the Embassy of Denmark, 3200 Whitehaven Street (off Massachusetts Avenue) between noon and 1 p.m. this Friday, Feb. 24. Quietness and calm are the necessities, plus cheerful conversation. Danish flags are good, or posters reading "Stand By Denmark" and any variation on this theme (such as "Buy Carlsberg/ Havarti/ Lego") The response has been astonishing and I know that the Danes are appreciative. But they are an embassy and thus do not of course endorse or comment on any demonstration. Let us hope, however, to set a precedent for other cities and countries. Please pass on this message to friends and colleagues.

Please also post that for those who cannot attend the demonstration, they are encouraged to call and email the Danish embassy, and offer their support and appreciation for their standing up to freedom and the right of free speech that is so much a part of our Western culture:

Embassy of Denmark
3200 Whitehaven St., N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20008
Tel: +1 (202) 234-4300
Fax: +1 (202) 328-1470
Email: wasamb@um.dk

After the date of the event, bloggers are encouraged to post on at least 3 "free speech" issues a week, and also encourage their readers to continue voicing their concern and support for free speech by emailing their friends to help keep the emails of support (to the Danish embassy) going for the Dane's stand on freedom over sharia.

More information and updates are available at Freedom's Zone.

Freedom's Zone was founded by a coalition of American and Italian bloggers, and is owned by the international blogging community that supports it through posting and sharing the message and it's mission.

A new "Stand Up For Denmark" Freedom's Zone logo will be available at the site tomorow. Just link back to FZ from your blog.

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February 16, 2006

The Arabs Parallel Universe - From An Arab/Muslim's Perspective

Rantings Of A Sandmonkey has a couple of interesting posts up that I'd go so far as to say offer important insight to non-Muslims on some prevalent opinions and the world view of many Arab/Muslims - from the advantage point of a moderate Arab/Muslim's perspective. In one of his previous posts a reader (Jeffrey) had left a comment describing a phenomenon that he had noticed over the past 3 years of viewing middle-eastern news, something he referred to as the A.P.U., (Arab Parallel Universe).

Sandmonkey writes that the A.P.U. was created by Arabs to explain to themselves why they are in the rut they have been for so long, while also glorifying their personal victories against a world that is always conspiring against them. In the A.P.U., events that happen in our real universe also occur, except that the fashion of their occurrence and their outcome are very different then what we- in the real universe-know them to be. In referring to the commenter he writes:

It amazed me that he came to that conclusion, since it brilliantly summed up something that I have been trying to describe for years. I immediately told all my family and friends about it and upon their realization that we are all citizens of the A.P.U., they started giving me examples and evidence of that geographic phenomenon. In this post I will try to explain some of the rules of the A.P.U., and list examples of them for the sake of explaining to the rest of the world the rules of our very fun parallel Universe.

You can read all of his commentary at his site, but here is a summary and conclusion; the 7 political rules of the APU are:

1) Arabs never make mistakes, and they rarely lose wars.
2) The Zionists and the Americans are always to blame for everything that is wrong in the APU.
3) If there is any credit at all that can be contributed to Arabs in any way, they will take it.
4) Good leadership is inversely related to how US-friendly a leader is!
5) Any media that is not the official state-owned media is filled with Zionist, Jewish, American, Christian, imperialist, anti-arab influences and they LIE ALL THE TIME!
6) There is really no need for elections in the APU, because Presidents and rulers are presidents and rulers for life.
7) The only viable alternative candidate to the current leader or president is this current leader or presidentÂ’s son.

In a follow-up, today he posts another comment from a reader, Elengil, who he says he'd so have a crush on for her brain alone if it weren't for the fact that she was already involved. In what he refers to as representing the prevelant opinion amongst those in the APU, he posts Elengil's comments: more...

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1 The APU was coined and invented by Jeffery. His blog: http://jarrarsupariver.blogspot.com/ Tell him I sent you.

Posted by: Rubin at February 16, 2006 11:15 PM (7pPKs)

2 APU meme is a lovely summing up. Wonder what people from across arab world would make of it? Add some lines, remove some, etc. nice start. by the way what you call reality for us is also sometimes not so 'real'.

Posted by: james at February 17, 2006 12:56 AM (CJAj5)

3 "Smoke me a Kipper, I'll be back for breakfast" Ace Rimmer.

Posted by: jonny at February 17, 2006 01:15 AM (nytWC)

4 Arabs are animals and deserve every bit of the misery they can get. I now wish they would turn Saddam loose and put him back in charge of Iraq, and tell him he'd get a new arms shipment for every neighboring country he wiped off the map.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 17, 2006 05:17 AM (0yYS2)

5 Take everything you have said, reverse it and you have The Western Parrellel Universe. "either your with us or against" and etc That is the problem we are ll living in parrellel universes, while the real universe is under populated, come on back, plenty of room for you all here. Only the Seth speak in absolutes

Posted by: Paddy at February 17, 2006 06:00 AM (S/nu3)

6 Here is the SM post where Jeffery mentions the A.P.U. Jeffrey coined the term on the comment pages of other blogs (probably Raed Jarrars, when he had comments). The comment pages are Jeffrey -- New York's indigenous environment.

Posted by: CMAR II at February 17, 2006 07:19 AM (in7N3)

7 "only the Sith speak in absolutes" So it turns out this whole time there was never a "Dark" side to the Force after all. The Force is just shades of grey now. Senator Palpatine wasn't really evil, he just had a different point of view. And with that thoughtless political shot at conservatives, George Lucas contradicts 30 years of his own Star Wars canon.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 17, 2006 08:36 AM (paKD6)

8 It sounds to me like the APU is really not very different than the "Reality-based Universe" of the Left here in the West. No wonder these two enemies of mankind have gotten together. It's like, well, a family reunion.

Posted by: jesusland joe at February 17, 2006 10:11 AM (rUyw4)

9 Jesusland Carlos, Actually, Paddy said "Only the SETH speak in absolutes"..."Seth" refers to Seth Green who played the son of Dr. Evil. Dr. Evil could only imagine his son wanting to be an "evil veteranarian" or running an "evil petting zoo". Of course people like that don't actually exist. The idea of K.A.O.S. guys with scars on their faces, a clouded eye, hooks for hands, sitting around a table brainstorming their next "evil plot" isn't reality. Really? Here and here (update 1) and here "What was the nature of the enemy there?". And lets not forget the story of Baby Noor, who when US Marines were working to get her medical help in the US, they had to contact her family in secret: Lt. Jeff Morgan: "We did a lot of things to protect the identity of these people. We visited them when we could, which was usually in the middle of the night, as covertly as possible, because the insurgents in Iraq like to find people that we're trying to help sometimes and either terrorize them or sometimes worse." Sgt. Archer Ford: "We are always concerned that talking to anybody longer than a normal conversation will put them in danger".

Posted by: CMAR II at February 17, 2006 10:22 AM (gJ2Uz)

10 The attack on September 11 was certainly not about people hating our freedoms. It was purely in response to America's foreign policy; and it was primarily about our monetary and military support of Israel. many others say that they must fight America for its support of 50 years of Israel's terrorism against the Palestinian and other Mideastern people. He says this in precisely the same way that some say we must bomb Afghanistan into further oblivion for supporting the terrorism of Bin Laden. America is seen as a terrorist nation for having supported the Israeli ethnic cleansing of 700,000 Palestinians from their land and homes and the stripping them of their most basic human rights, even depriving them of the right to live where they were born! America is accused of supporting terrorism for backing Israel, even America is aware that Israel tortures 500 to 600 Palestinians in its jails each month. America is called terrorist for supporting Israel even as it killed 40,000 Lebanese in its invasion of that country. They ask the world how America could support Israel even as it bombed civilian Red Cross shelters and killed women and children by the score. Millions of people ask how the President of the United States could dine in the White House with Israel Sharon, a man with a proven history of massacring civilians, and who even Israel held responsible for the cold-blooded murder of 2000 people at the Sabra and Shatila camps in Lebanon. America is also called a terrorist state for causing the death of more than 500,000 Iraqi children. It is difficult for us to act morally superior to our enemies when our own U.S. Secretary of State, Madeline Albright, told Leslie Stahl of CBS that America's causing the death of 500,000 Iraqi children was "worth it." What would you say, of someone who thinks it is worth killing 500,000 children in order to punish one man? We must cut off the source of terrorism. That source is not Muslim fundamentalism, it is American support for Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people. The American government has been supporting the Jewish Supremacist State of Israeli with economic and military funding, though Israel denies the basic human rights of Palestinians. We believe that our economic and military aid to Israel has caused tremendous hatred toward America and that unlimitedly, it is the American people who suffers the consequences. Any nation that bombs another naturally creates millions of angry enemies against it. America has repeatedly done that in recent times. We have taken sides in foreign conflicts, offered military assistance and weapons, and even bombed other nations. Our actions have caused the loss of many thousands of lives, including the lives of thousands of civilians. Many of the nations we bombed had never harmed a single American or acted in any way against the interests the United States. For instance, we now partially blame Afghanistan for what happened on September 11. Have we conveniently forgotten that we bombed Afghanistan (and killed many innocent civilians) three years ago when we tried to kill Osama Bin Laden. Afghanistan is led by the same people we previously helped against the Soviets. At that time, we actually supported the terroristic activities of Osama Bin Laden against the Soviets and their collaborators. When Bin Laden later turned against us, we attempted to kill him by bombing Afghanistan. We have seen the intense reaction of Americans to the attack on the Trade Centers. What would be the reaction of Americans to any nation who fired Cruise missiles and dropped thousands of bombs on America? After Clinton's bombing of Afghanistan, the Taliban promised revenge against America. September 11 may be that revenge. We bombed Iraq after it invaded Kuwait, yet we supported Saddam Hussein with money and arms when he warred with Iran. In contrast, we continued to monetarily and militarily support Israel even after it invaded Lebanon and killed tens of thousands of Lebanese civilians. We support the Zionist state even though it tortures thousands of political prisoners in its jails. American support enabled Israel to ethnically cleanse itself of 700,000 Palestinians. Bush says we must strike down terrorists wherever they are in the whole world, but he has shared tea and crumpets with Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, one of the world's leading most brutal and bloodthirsty terrorists. Sharon committed a number of crimes against humanity, among them the massacre of 2,000 men, women and children in the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in Lebanon. Mr. Bush did not strike Mr. Sharon, instead he toasted him. But why must the media and government create this huge, absurd lie about why we were attacked on September 11. This Big Lie is, of course, meant to hide an obvious truth. Its purpose is to keep Americans from associating this attack with our Israeli policy. If that happens people might begin to wonder if it is in our true interest to having given Israel countless billions of our dollars. They might begin to wonder if it is good for America to serve as the Israeli's shock troops and techno killers in attacks on Israel's enemies such as Iraq. So, the unvarnished truth is that we suffered the terror of September 11 because of our support of the criminal policies of Israel. We have let our country be controlled by a foreign lobby that has worked against the best interests of the American people. Israel has time and again proven it is not really our friend. It has conducted covert terrorist activities against America such as the Lavon affair in Egypt. It has deliberately attacked the USS Liberty with unmarked fighters and torpedo boats causing 174 American casualties in an attempt to blame Egypt and garner American support during the war of 1967. It has spied on us and stolen our greatest secrets, such as in the Jonathan Pollard affair. It has sold secret American technologies to the Communist Chinese. It has stolen nucleur materials from the United States. It has tricked America into bombing other nations such as in the attack on Libya in 1986. I could go on and on about Israel's treachery against the America. And now, under guidance of the Israel Lobby and the Jewish controlled media, the Zionists are preparing America to strike a massive blow against all of Israel's mortal enemies in a global war. They are already talking about not only bombing, but invading and occupying whole nations such as Libya, Iran, Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Such would spawn a huge wave of hatred and retribution against America from all over the planet. The costs of such a war would cost the American people untold billions of dollars and could well cause the deaths of thousands of Americans. Finally, such a war would not end terrorism, but only spawn more acts of terror against us.

Posted by: johnf at February 17, 2006 05:29 PM (8kpQK)

11 ban this moron asap.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 17, 2006 05:37 PM (M3nr/)

12 The day I'll call Israel a terrorist nation is the day when I see a young jewish boy or girl carry a vest loaded with C-4 walk into a Palastine school. Or an Isreali teen drive a car bomb into an arab marketplace. Or a group of Jewish men, 19 - 30, fly a plane into some sky scraper in Saudi Arabia. THEN, I will believe that Israel is a terrorist nation.

Posted by: David at February 17, 2006 06:05 PM (VTNWd)

13 johnf...that screed was a joke, right? Or you are a jihadist pretending to be an American. Which is it?

Posted by: jesusland joe at February 17, 2006 11:07 PM (rUyw4)

14 Dr. Sanity's brilliant post about shame and guilt cultures goes a long way toward explaining the foundations of the A.P.U.

Posted by: amba at February 19, 2006 02:49 PM (g/KhV)

15 I can't believe nobody saw this... johnf got the post, and proceeded to offer a demonstration of the APU. Bravo, John!

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February 14, 2006

Pappy Boyington

The University of Washington, in response to a proposal to erect a monument for decorated WWII Marine pilot Col. Gregory "Pappy" Boyington, decided that they didn't need "any more monuments to rich white men" and that they weren't too keen on the idea of putting up a monument that, you know, dealt with like, war and killing and stuff. Minutes of the meeting here: (http://senate.asuw.org/secretary/minutes/senate/12/02-07-2006.pdf))

(h/t Ace O' Spades).

Well, as it turns out the student senate (contact information here: http://www.asuw.org/directory.php) is having another senate meeting tonight, 2/14 at 5pm.

If you feel moved, drop them a line.

If you're alumni, feel free to tell them to go to hell.

Double that if you're a vet.

Just for reference, they wanted to have work started (not necessarily completed) by Jan 11, 2008 - the 20th anniversary of his death. Read through the minutes, fascinating stuff.

UPDATE:

This is the current response from the student council president, who I am sure, is getting deluged right now. I have to give the guy credit - it's a mature response in what must be a trying situation. He doesn't dodge or spin, he's taking responsibility - I think there are a number of DC denizens who would do well to heed his example.

The blog news and the draft minutes that were posted are inaccurate. First, Ashley Miller's statements were highlighting, as a point of information, that the majority of our statues are white males, which was an issue previously addressed last year, this is not in any way meant to go against Colonel Boyington. It was noted by the sponsor, Andrew Everett, about Boyington's heritage later. Jill Edwards made here statements as an individual, and it should not be assumed she speaks for all students. Karl Smith wanted to honor his service as a whole (he risked his life, endured 20 months in a POW Camp) in an effort to bring more support from a number of students who do not morally agree with war. These statements are in public discourse that has been and will always be at the University of Washington to educate on the questions and issues of our society.
I would also like to remind you that as ASUW President I cosponsored this bill to create a memorial, it failed by one vote, and a good majority of those who voted against it wanted more inclusion of other alumni who were combat veterans who earned the Medal of Honor. This week a new resolution to that effect is being drafted and introduced. In the meantime the ASUW supports veterans in other ways, currently we are supporting state legislation that will hopefully pass and guarantee veterans tuition waivers. In the end, the buck stops here, I would appreciate further comments to be made to me. Please do not participate or condone the hate-filled comments and phone calls made toward individuals in our student government. It has been appalling to see what is being said to people. I too am nauseated.
Thank you for you statements.
Sincerely,
Lee Dunbar

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1 Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 14, 2006 12:46 PM (paKD6)

2 Dishonor a real hero of america while they vote to erect a monumen to cop killer ADUL JIMAL or perhapes BENIDICT ARNOLD

Posted by: sandpiper at February 14, 2006 01:58 PM (162Hn)

3 Not only did they vote down a resolution honoring a Medal of Honor Winner, they also have a resolution pending that will honor THEMSELVES for hosting a reception for a bunch of politicians. Golly, I hope that one passes.

Posted by: Duane at February 14, 2006 02:20 PM (bUHuL)

4 To be fair: Mumia Abul Jamal has wrote a book while being on Deathrow. While it is not a children's book it was a book railing against the system -- so he is automatically granted the "Get out of Jail" free card by the Left, just like the one they issued for Tookie.

Posted by: dave at February 14, 2006 04:19 PM (CcXvt)

5 Just more evidence that liberals must all be killed before we can fix things. Start the war now dammit.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 14, 2006 07:51 PM (0yYS2)

6 Sandpiper, I was unaware this college erected a monument to Mumia? Do you have pictures of it? I'd love to see.

Posted by: t at February 15, 2006 08:34 AM (SEFvy)

7 Let me get this straight... Ashley Miller makes a racist and sexist comment (which turns out to be partially wrong in Boyington's case, which proves her ignorance of history), but it's ok 'cause she was addressing an issue that was raised earlier. But now, Mr. Dunbar wants to make sure that no one says anything nasty about Ashley. She's the only one allowed to make slurs.

Posted by: RebelPOW at February 15, 2006 09:55 AM (NAOkD)

8 RebelPOW, Why don't you go enroll in the school, run for student government, win, and then vote to erect the statue? If you don't feel like it, then go be productive with your life.

Posted by: t at February 15, 2006 10:02 AM (SEFvy)

9 I note this comment in Ashley Miller's profile for the ASUW elections. " Foster an inclusive environment by addressing and working to overcome institutionalized racism, homophobia, and sexism, which are often overlooked on campus." Well, her comment about Pappy is one of the most RACIST and SEXIST arrogant comments I have ever read. All I have to say to Ashley is if you want to see a racist and sexist take a damn good look in the mirror, little girl! Another comment from her profile... "Produce a more informed, diverse and equal campus community." I am sure that she means an "informed, diverse and equal campus community" of people who are just like her. Those people do not include veterans and anyone who does not agree with her political beliefs. Such hypocrisy! She lives in fools paradise which is the gated community of the mind that exists on university campuses. This stupid little girl proves yet again that some of the biggest racists, sexist and just plain haters happen to be liberals. I also note that she lists herself as being a member of Ruckus. For information on these "charming" people see http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6714 One other thing... Memo to Ashley: 1. Ashley, those rich white men you hate so much are paying for your fricking "education". Including your daddy-if you even have one. Maybe those "rich white men" should quit supporting you and your university. There are much better things to spend money on besides "educating" a bunch of anarchoterrorist idiots like you. 2. When the North Koreans lob a missle at Seattle or your jihadiheroes manage to get a nuke on a ship and blow it up in the harbor I will feel happy for you. Why? Because I will know that you died for your cause. BTW-If your resume ever crosses my desk it immediately goes in the garbage can.

Posted by: Nahanni at February 15, 2006 10:19 AM (owqCZ)

10 Why not honor Col "Pappy" Boyington? He was a man of unquestionable courage, and he was a graduate of the U. of Washington. It's a shame the students at your university can't get past their immature biases against a man who was willing to commit the ultimate sacrifice. Unfortunately, I believe their lack of respect has it's roots in a real restriction of ideas on your campus. I attended a System Safety course two years ago and was appalled with the limitations of free speech. Your bookstore at the HUB only displayed anti-conservate and anti-Republican books. When asked, "where are the conservative books," the manager stated, "we have some." However, he couldn't produce one at the time. By restricting the debate of ideas, you've lowered your university to the standards that were common in the "old Soviet Union" and many Islamic countries today. You would much rather honor a mass-murder like Abdul Jamal than someone willing to fight for your freedoms. The attitude of the UW Student Senate is a disgrace as a whole. I might expect riots on your campus should an honor be erected just like the manufactured riots going on today in Islamic countries over a few political cartoons--or maybe the bulk of your student body isn't reflected in the UW Student Senate. Major Chris Mazzei, USAF

Posted by: Chris Mazzei at February 15, 2006 10:22 AM (d8AJx)

11 Nahanni, I doubt she'll ever submit a resume to her local McDonald's.

Posted by: T at February 15, 2006 10:27 AM (SEFvy)

12 Here's a quote from "senator" Jill Edwards LiveJournal: "i also resolve to not do anything really stupid. oh, also, i want to get stoned and watch milk drop on my computer, lofty, i know. and maybe try out having a boy, as opposed to boys." Wow, that's a great set of New Year's resolutions. I wonder how many of those she's broken? Well...at least one....

Posted by: Duane at February 15, 2006 10:30 AM (bUHuL)

13 Trolling a college student's livejournal? Get a life, dude.

Posted by: t at February 15, 2006 11:48 AM (SEFvy)

14 Her blog is rather revealing as to the type of person she is and is becoming. She doesn't seem particularly bright. Firstly, I would think a prime rule of public stupidity preparation is to make sure that you do not have your cell phone number and home address publicly posted on your blog. Children say stupid things, but then that is because they are children. The problem is when children think they are all grown up and take themselves very seriously and say stupid things while the rest of the world can see that they are still children. Perhaps Jill's own words can sum up her angst and warped perspective, "...i'm sure in a while i'll justify to myself what i did, i'll find my excuses and i'll get over it. but i don't think i'll ever go anywhere if that is how i deal. I want something that i feel i can suceed at, even if it is only part of the time. right now, this isn't it, i feel like i'll always be behind, always slightly confused." Slightly confused indeed ... T- As a sidenote you unfunny little troll, some of us read things such as a college student's livejournal after her act of public stupidity to have all the facts in hand. Perhaps her journal shows amazing insight and intellectualism and would lead one to take a closer look at her comments and the context. Or perhaps her journal reads more like the rambling thoughts of a 15 year old spoild brat and makes one think she is a pampered, moronic byproduct of too much lassiez faire parenting, MTV, ecstasy and a failed public school system. Regardless, those on the right do like to have the facts. We just aren't comfortable going off half-cocked with partial information, junk science and preconceived notions like the left is.

Posted by: Deepdiver at February 15, 2006 01:28 PM (2RsA+)

15 If you have to read a college student's livejournal to get ammo for an argument, that should tell you something about the argument you're engaging in

Posted by: t at February 15, 2006 01:46 PM (SEFvy)

16 My father spent the first 2 years of WW2 fighting the Socialsis Labor Party and the last 3 years on the South Dakato fighting the Japs. His roomate on the South Dakota (Bill Carmichael) was a Naval Aviator and a college wrestler (stong even in he 40's kicked my ass good when I was a freshman in highschool, had bruses for 3 days!) and I can tell you what he would say to the Great U of W - Get Fucked! I an sure that is exaclty what Pappy would say if he were alive. Once more for clarity - *Get fucked!*

Posted by: Rod Stanton at February 15, 2006 02:02 PM (lwdxR)

17 T, if this is all beneath notice why are you, um, noticing it? This is one of the Lefties lamest and most tired tactics; an endless snowfall of "So what?"s. Of course any inquiry into the relevance or even reality of any of their pet causes results in a torrent of invective declaring the inquirer a moral monster for the temerity. Whatever Mary. Keep it up. SOME of us remember in November and those that don't still know they have a bad taste in their mouths and who is to blame.

Posted by: megapotamus at February 15, 2006 02:52 PM (LF+qW)

18 Now Jill and Ashley can write home and tell everybody, "Hey look I'm famous"

Posted by: J Rob at February 15, 2006 02:53 PM (ujBa4)

19 I am a UW student, as well as a veteran so I have been following this all week. There is more of this from the student senate and Mr. Dunbar in the student newspaper this morning. I have more on it on my blog, including a statement from one of the senators involved.

Posted by: James at February 15, 2006 03:13 PM (6e4sf)

20 Mega, I noticed it because it was linked to on a mainstream blog. Other than it, your obssession with this little college girl is addictive. I'm wondering when you'll start stalking her on campus or following her to the cafeteria.

Posted by: t at February 15, 2006 04:34 PM (7tpGj)

21 t So let me guess. Are you one of those snotty twits you see moping in Cafe Allego on a Friday night without a date? You have that shrill tone about you. Just wondering...

Posted by: jmc at February 15, 2006 05:26 PM (+3gtw)

22 OMG! t IS a bitch? I mean, you know, besides acting like a bitch?

Posted by: RoyK at February 15, 2006 05:44 PM (wZLWV)

23 Wow, the haters are in a tizzy tonight. Sorry, but I have to agree with Ashley about going overboard with the rich white male worship. Isn't the University of Washington named after a rich white slaveowning male? The whole state is, I think. Enough is enough! Why erect another monument to a rich white male when there are plenty of transgendered Mexican drag queens who flew fighter planes in WW2 and never received any recognition? Haven't heard of any? I REST MY CASE!

Posted by: Liberal Larry at February 15, 2006 11:58 PM (btrOu)

24 I guess Jill Edwards is embarrassed by her Live Journal posts because they've mysteriously disappeared. Good thing Google cached them.

Posted by: Duane at February 16, 2006 11:24 AM (bUHuL)

25 Liberal Larry... That was hilarious! Can't wait to read your 'defense' of Al Gore's speech. Great blog btw. We'll all be in trouble when the LLL learns to parody themselves.

Posted by: RebelPOW at February 16, 2006 11:30 AM (NAOkD)

26 I note the 15 Feb 06 enty at 10: by "Nahanni" states that Ashley Miller (ASUW Vice-president?) lists herself as a member of the "Ruckus Society." That's a good one. How do we verify that?

Posted by: Marcus Michael at February 18, 2006 09:28 AM (s0FJB)

27 So the stoner girl who talks/fantacises about likes group sex, and contemplating stealing a bathmatt, and smoking pot, and she is in charge of deciding wether or not to have a statue of one of Americas finest fighter aces installed on campus? Any more on her cache? This little stoner slut is too much!

Posted by: BadMonKEy at February 18, 2006 03:45 PM (p0TD7)

28 Hey Liberal Larry, Yes, Washington owned slaves, who were sold to him by Blacks in Africa.African Slaves were in large part defeated warriors. Instead of killing them, the winning African tribes would SELL them to Whites, Arabs, and a few Orientals. Slavery was ENDED in the United states with a war faught with mainly white people. Do you guys have any monuments to the "rich white guys, and poor white guys", wh ended slavery in this country? Or isnt THAT war woth commemorating? Moon-Bat- Liberal Larry Another Self Ritchous Moron Joke of the week: Q:MOONBAT, What is a Liberal willing to DIE for? A:Absoulutely NOTHING (They just get the Boyington and Washingtons of this world to die for them, and take advantage of the rewards.) After all, a MOONBAT wont die for anything, least of all your freedom!

Posted by: BadMonKEy at February 18, 2006 03:56 PM (p0TD7)

29 TO: Jill Edwards Dear Ms. Edwards: Your comments about the United States Marine Corps were perhaps a bit hasty? I'm sure you didn't mean to demean or belittle those men who fought and died for your freedom of speech. I will consider first and foremost your age and consider that you probably have not yet had a healthy dose of American History 101. You are a disgrace to your generation. I don't know when I've been so angry and disgusted. Regards, Paula Gregoire . Former stewardess-Continental Airlines job description: member of crew flying Marines in and out of Vietnam - 1967 - 1969 . Daughter of WWII veteran . Niece of two WWII veterans - one who paid the ultimate price in Sicily - 1943 . Wife of USMC Captain and pilot - two tours in Vietnam flying medivac - 37 years

Posted by: Paula Gregoire at February 18, 2006 05:19 PM (kbLJ9)

30 As a student of UW I am very happy that the student senate voted down this resolution. People who make a living out of killing other people have no place being honored at an institution of learning!

Posted by: timothy at February 18, 2006 06:28 PM (DQgyV)

31 Reading through the postings I am both appalled and amazed at some of the comments. First I am appalled at the ignorance of some of the statements people are willing to make publicly. Suggesting that we kill someone simply because they have a different view, even if done in jest, is horrifying. Suggesting that we never enter into armed conflict, as appealing as it may be is an unrealistic position . War is a terrible thing which should be avoided, but can not be avoided at the price of freedom. Agree or disagree with the current conflict, it can not be denied that World War II was a necessary conflict. Making blanket statements shows a lack of willingness or ability to think. Second, I am amazed that folks are willing to play along with someone like t who lacks any conviction (as demonstrated by his use of a false e-mail address), and gets his jollys by goading a reaction from others.

Posted by: Marvin Pace at February 18, 2006 09:45 PM (3abbt)

32 What a disgrace the way this Medal of Honor reciptient was treated. For the record he was not white, but an American Indian. President Harry Truman was commendted about the MOH and he stated that he would give up the presidency to get the MOH. I think that says it all.

Posted by: Ed at February 18, 2006 09:49 PM (eeEll)

33 Ok Moonbat timothy, then I guess you cant have any statues of stone age "Native Americans", (Indians, etc) dotting the campus then? What kind of racists anti-native americans is W U pumping out? Do any of you 'guys' have testicles? War is the backbone of history, one group fighting another, in every culture. What in gods name are they teaching these moonbat idiots?

Posted by: BadMonKEy at February 18, 2006 11:47 PM (oJVoI)

34 The problem here is that the children involved making the comments are not old enough to have experienced the horror of WWII and are simply ignorant of the historical barbarity of the Army of the Empire of Japan prior to and during WWII. College children, by definition, are a privileged lot and sometimes look down their noses at anyone less fortunate (as evidenced by T's disdainful comment regarding McDonald employees). Whether Boyington deserves a statue should not be a matter of race or class - the sole issue that should have been considered is whether he brought more honor and recognition to the UW than other graduates. Disqualifying him because of his race, or because he was heroic in battle against an enemy trying to destroy our country only demonstrates the ignorance of the persons attempting to disqualify him.

Posted by: ed at February 19, 2006 04:20 AM (wZLWV)

35 Touche' ed, I think Moon-BRATS would be a better term. Im no Buch supporter, but the moon-brats, spoiled brats who were raised in Politically Correct indoctrination institutions are the next generation, and this country may not survive. Im not even saying this administration knows what its doing. You cant trust ANYONE in power, least of all the clowns in the white house, but the 60's generation is showing its true colors in there, and its not pretty. This is a worthless generation, incapable of independant thought that is not politically correct. The entire world is not politically correct, just the moon-brat generation. Im wondering how PC they are going to be when thier jobs are outsourced to those "poor third world" countries, full of "brown people" who are somewhat capable of doing the same job for alot less money. Good luck Moon-Brats, the future is THEIRS, and you jsut gave it away! At least your kids, if you have any, wont be so snotty...!

Posted by: BadMonKEy at February 19, 2006 03:03 PM (yHagw)

36 it's our money. we will do with it what we please. so fuck off.

Posted by: garetjax at February 19, 2006 04:25 PM (FynsV)

37 OK, To start off, the MOH is awarded not to recognize an individual for killing another, but for his outstanding sacrifice and service to this country. Next, it's time to bring back the draft. This time with no college exclusion. Not to protest the war or to bring public discorse on the issue, but to deprogram these little socialists. Send these little pukes to the "Island" and in just 8-12wks you can undo the 14+yrs of socialist indoctrination that is called the public education. Next, Col. Boyington was not rich or white or red. He was a medium green Marine! Last, here's a quote for all you peace at all costs types,"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotism which thinks nothing is worth war, is much worse. The person who's only concern is for personal saftey is a miserable creature, and never can be free unless made and kept so by the efforts of better men than themselves." Want to know who said this? Go do some homework for a change and look it up!

Posted by: Badger at February 19, 2006 04:39 PM (BJYNn)

38 Sounds to me like these kids are acting in the great tradition of enlightened pacifists who don't accept war as either necessary or heroic- people like Jesus, Gandhi, Dr King, Albert einstein, to name a few. The pioneers of a warlees world are the men and women who refuse military service. Albert Einstein Blessed are the peacemakers. Jesus of Nazareth

Posted by: tom at February 21, 2006 02:01 AM (4LzJT)

39 Ain't democracy grand? Remember, the national and individual freedoms won for Americans comes from the sacrifice of her veterans... among whom you'll find both liberal conservatives and conservative liberals. This debate is healthy... and my 25 years in the Army helped earn it... BTW Badger, the quote's from John Stuart Mills and we would be wise to heed its wisdom

Posted by: Alex at February 21, 2006 03:03 AM (/OklB)

40 tom, Funny you believe Jesus to be a pacifist. If you will read the book of Revelation, you will see that He is anything but. Sad that today's kids have forgotten, or never known, the amount of sacrifice that some Americans have given to allow the rest of us to be free. Pappy Boyington was a true hero but was not alone. Countless millions of Americans have sacrificed with their lives to give us our freedom. I would like to personally thank all veterans that have served in past wars and those that are currently serving our country. Without you, we would not be the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.

Posted by: rob at February 21, 2006 01:01 PM (4TEs0)

41 Has anyone pointed out Boyington's Native American (Souix) lineage? A stark contrast to Ward Churchill's (lillywhite)

Posted by: Admiral Moe Howard at February 21, 2006 07:14 PM (BXyMh)

42 "The pioneers of a warlees world are the men and women who refuse military service. Albert Einstein" Okay, I hate to say anything against the teachings of the great Albert Einstein, but unless every person on the planet followed that same belief, and continued to follow it forever and ever, then any person with a mind to do it could gather up an army and wipe out or enslave all those others who refuse to fight. They would be easy pickins! People who believe that pacifism is the way to peace are fodder for the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Hussein, Napolean, Mao Tse Tung, Chavez, Castro, the list goes on and on...

Posted by: RWM at February 22, 2006 12:03 AM (l+y8y)

43 As a native Seattle-ite, I used to dream (back in ancient times -- the early 60s) of attending the University. But as if to prove not all white guys are rich, I determined I could not afford to attend the school after all. But now I see the controversy over what should have been a non-controversial issue in the first place: honoring an alumnus who did just a bit in his own way to make sure the parent of these Â… "students" Â… got the chance to live long enough to have them in the first place. Is this gratitude or what? Glad I did not have the money to waste. My dad, who still lives in Seattle, is a veteran of the same conflict as Pappy, and a member of the alumni association. I expect the student Senate will be hearing from the Association presently Â… On the old Star Trek show, there was an episode where Kirk and Spock landed on a planet that was run by gangsters, prompting a comment from Spock that "a society with a complete moral inversion appears to be unique." Sorry Spock: there is one at UW, too.

Posted by: Gary-in-Missouri at February 22, 2006 11:42 AM (3QrqG)

44 I work for UW. So I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies. Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about. But trust me.... You don't. I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you don't know what you are talking about. This is how bad info gets passed around. If you dont know about the topic....Don't make yourself sound like you do. 'Cuz some Farkers belive anything they hear.

Posted by: Rev at February 27, 2006 08:06 PM (4Nzcj)

45 Rev, rather then ducking behind generalities feel free to point out the factual errors in what has been reported, we're all dying to know what we've missed! ...crickets Thought so.

Posted by: Johnny69 at February 28, 2006 01:26 AM (nKdNf)

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February 06, 2006

European Islamists Counter Danes With Cartoons Depicting Hitler, Holocaust

Welcome World Net Daily and Glenn Beck readers! Please feel free to leave comments and look around while you're here.

A European Islamic organization called the Arab European League has countered the recent cartoons depicting the prophet Mohammed with cartoons of their own, questioning the Holocaust and showing Anne Frank in bed with Hitler. This statement explains their rationale:

After the lectures that Arabs and Muslims received from Europeans on Freedom of Speech and on Tolerance. And after that many European newspapers republished the Danish cartoons on the Prophet Mohammed. AEL decided to enter the cartoon business and to use our right to artistic expression.
Just like the newspapers in Europe claim that they only want to defend the freedom of speech and do not desire to stigmatise Muslims,we also do stress that our cartoons are not meant as an offence to anybody and ought not to be taken as a statement against any group, community or historical fact.
If it is the time to break Taboos and cross all the red lines, we certainly do not want to stay behind.

While I'm reproducing one of the cartoons below in the spirit of fairplay, I certainly don't endorse the message. more...

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1 Mock the Europeans! I can live with that! Hell, I'll even help them! If some muslim group want to go this route - more power to them - tit for tat - its kinda crude but - they earned it. Oddly enough - a faint hint of a reasonable sensible muslim approach.

Posted by: hondo at February 06, 2006 12:28 AM (3aakz)

2 Very suitable response ! Hey, advocates (europeans) of "Freedom of expresson", please admire this work toooo or otherwise go to hell.

Posted by: Yahya Khan at February 06, 2006 01:05 AM (e7SN+)

3 Hah! Even A camel jockey agrees with me! OK Khan your turn - take your best shot! NOTE: If I'm gonna insult someone - it will not be about his religion or his momma - because its poor form and in bad taste. ONE MO THING: Freedom of speech, expression, religion etc etc etc wre born here - by those who voted with their feet from there to here! Someone should take a good look at the LAWS in Europe and direction they have been going in before we get hot "to protect their freedoms".

Posted by: hondo at February 06, 2006 01:27 AM (3aakz)

4 The thing is, the picture of Muhammed with a bomb as a turban is sort of justified given that the Islamic terrorists carry out their deeds to the cries of "Allahu akbar", giving the impression that the Koran and the Muslim religion is a primary source of motivation for the terrorists. Comparing that to Hitler in bed with one of his victims doesn't even make sense.

Posted by: Matthew at February 06, 2006 01:40 AM (w09XI)

5 The AEL is acting as if muslims are now starting to exercise their freedom of expression by printing anti-jewish cartoons. Haven't cartoons like this been printed in the Islamic media everyday since 1947? Not suprising that the counter offensive would involve taking a swipe at the Jooos, since, as usual, the Joooos are behind everything, everywhere, all time, even the printing of the Danish cartoons. C'mon guys, at least be original for a change.

Posted by: Graeme at February 06, 2006 03:57 AM (aGG/H)

6 la ilah ila lah mohamd rasolo lah

Posted by: bochra at February 06, 2006 04:52 AM (lPi63)

7 ALLAHU AKBAR, ALLAHU AKBAR, ALLAHU AKBAR... ISLAM IS THE NEW WORLD ORDER. JUSTICE WILL EVNTUALLY PREVAIL, FOR ISLAM IS JUST. "LA ILLAHA ILLA ALLAH MOHAMMED RASULALLAH"

Posted by: kadija at February 06, 2006 06:20 AM (7V3Ji)

8 All this is going to show is that the European response is not to burn down buildings and riot, but to simply voice outrage.

Posted by: Mark at February 06, 2006 06:42 AM (UqFYg)

9 Typical Muslim response resort to violence

Posted by: John at February 06, 2006 07:06 AM (0+XfE)

10 Mathew and Mark are right! A cartoon is supposed to be funny or ate least satirical by exagerating something that's real!! That's a cartoon, that is the reason of its existence! Many people blow themselves up supposely in the name of Islam, so it's perfectly understandable to draw Mohamed with a bomb as a turbant or saying that heaven is out of virgins, since that's what they are promised when they carry out a suicidal atack. But putting Hitler in bed with Ann Frank?... What's that supposed to mean?!! It just looks like muslims are a little boy angry with someone who made fun of him and tries to make fun of the West but with something not funny!!! There are so many ironical western things to make fun about! Have some imagination!!! Or not! that's your perrogative, that's your LIBERTY!

Posted by: Alexandra at February 06, 2006 07:41 AM (0UfQ+)

11 nice first try, hitler in bed and anne frank. this is a step in the right direction. let's tease each other and communicate this way rather than burn down buildings. I understand how people can be insulted. We split religion and the state back in the 1700s while islam is just coming to terms with this. Islamic societies have a hard time with bottom-up power structures, meaning they are usually hierarchical and you obey the book and your leaders. I have great iranian friends. They live a double life within the confines of their house and out on the streets. its sad to see them suffer having to behave in certain ways just because a book written 1500 years ago tells you you have to do that. it's gonna take a lot of understanding for uneducated muslims to understand that if you were born in china you had no choice being buddhist or toaist and that islam is not the only religion out there and salvation is only possible via islam..ditto that with evangelical christians....

Posted by: james at February 06, 2006 07:57 AM (CJAj5)

12 Yeah... you see the thing is... Hitler never slept with Anne Frank, yet Mohammed really was a murdering son of a bitch. Interesting that they should choose a grown adult male to depict sleeping with a small child. They just can't get that off their mind, can they?

Posted by: Ernie Oporto at February 06, 2006 08:42 AM (WvUov)

13 I think the Hitler-Ann Frank connection is ridiculous but, it is within the realm of free speech and expression, and I much prefer this approach as opposed to the call for violence, which is unacceptable and should be dealt with in the harshest of ways by the West. Whoever advocated violence should be sent back to whatever country they came from, or if they were born in the West, they should have their citizenship revolked and sent to whatever is the country of their heritage. And before you say anything, reacting to the threat of violence is quite different than the one who proposed violence as a solution, and you know who you are.

Posted by: jesusland joe at February 06, 2006 08:51 AM (rUyw4)

14 imagine a world where people could worship any way they wished but were required to keep it to themselves.

Posted by: jamie s at February 06, 2006 09:03 AM (5GNa0)

15 I believe that if one is steadfast in his on belief,no cartoon or insult will phase him or her one way or the other. Trying to destroy someone else because they don't believe the way you do is only insecurity. Why can't the world take a deep breath and try and come to terms with yourself. Look at other people with love and understanding and try for a little while to look beyond religion.

Posted by: jamie s at February 06, 2006 09:14 AM (5GNa0)

16 That's the way it is in the US, Jamie s, welcome to utopia, or at least utopia on that one issue. And if you mean requiring people to keep something to themselves, do you "imagine" denying free speech to religious people.

Posted by: jesusland joe at February 06, 2006 09:17 AM (rUyw4)

17 I don't condone any form of denying freedom of speech to religious people or any other type of people. But you make my point about how impossible religion is. Where is my freedom not to be subjected to all of the negatives involved,or having to be bombarded with someone else's views on religion? If there is a satan maybe he is the fabricator of all these religions that kill and have been killing each other for centuries. The fact is that all religions are guilty of wars in the name of God. I think that if God wanted us to know something he or whatever God is would tell us and tell us all at the same time. Doesn't he love all?

Posted by: jamie s at February 06, 2006 09:46 AM (5GNa0)

18 Well, Jamie s, what about all those wars not in the name of God. Think about wars perpetuated by Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Mao, Tamerlane, Ghenghis Khan, Attila, and need I go on. And again, read my previous post, you are not required to listen to anyone's view of religion. And to turn your logic on it's head, where is my right not to be bombarded with pornography, homosexuality, crass consumerism, celebrity worship and I could go on. What are you trying to say?

Posted by: jesusland joe at February 06, 2006 10:15 AM (rUyw4)

19 I'm not trying to say anything, I've said it and very plainly. Never stand toe to toe and argue with a fool. A stranger might walk by and wonder who the fool is!

Posted by: jamie s at February 06, 2006 10:27 AM (5GNa0)

20 Yes, jamis s, I know exactly what you said. I just wanted you to admit it. A true Leftist I see. You have all the rights and the rest of us have only the rights you in all your wisdom bestow on us. Very democratic.

Posted by: jesusland joe at February 06, 2006 10:49 AM (rUyw4)

21 And I really like all that love and understanding you proposed in one of your posts. A pity you don't practice what you preach.

Posted by: jesusland joe at February 06, 2006 11:10 AM (rUyw4)

22 That's just so pathetic, in an hilarious kind of way. I especially like Hitler's rather severe-looking nipples, as though she's been twisting them bloody. I mean, I know the intent was to offend but it just comes off as surreal silliness, like an SNL skit.

Posted by: Demosophist at February 06, 2006 11:14 AM (5b1bh)

23 An insulting cartoon doesn't take much effort (see Hitler screwing a jewish child) if it doesn't bear some semblance of similarity to the object of its ridicule. Hitler, for instance, is considered to have had an aversion to sex of any kind. (It is theorized he was a homosexual in denial). So depicting him molesting a young jewish child is simply gratuitous, and not very clever. That is in stark contrast with the depictions of Mohammed with an exploding head, because muslims are terrorists. That, you can argue, is clever. Also, this Hitler/Ann Frank cartoon should be seen in light of the fact that Mohammed himself was a pedophile (his "wife" was only 12 years old). What we have here, therefore, is an obvious case of projection at a very subconcious level by our muslim cartoonist. Pedophilia, like jihad, runs like an unbroken thread through his religion all the way back to its founder. Subconsciously, it appears in their cartoons. As a side note, young boys and homosexuality are are still very popular in the muslim world given their women are completely hidden from view under burkas. I had a Paki (Pashtun) friend in college who used to laugh about male-on-male gang rapes at university.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 06, 2006 11:17 AM (8e/V4)

24 as a european i am extremely offended by these images and call for all my honky brothers to rise up and behead all cartoonists.........not really. do i look bothered?

Posted by: ian uk at February 06, 2006 11:34 AM (GhCfc)

25 You know how many Jews will riot in response to this cartoon? Zero.

Posted by: Black Death at February 06, 2006 11:36 AM (/B3gx)

26 Satan eats fish

Posted by: riverwilde at February 06, 2006 12:24 PM (A5Ct7)

27 This cartoon is utterly asinine. And makes me laugh a lot.

Posted by: thropus at February 06, 2006 12:28 PM (LN5ig)

28 Just more evidence that muslims must be exterminated like the verminous plague they are.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 06, 2006 01:45 PM (0yYS2)

29 Hell yeah, Mohammed looks cool as hell with a "turbomb" on his head! That sucka gets all the chicks!! Damn....

Posted by: Falcon at February 06, 2006 02:41 PM (s5LhC)

30 I praise the cartoon, its about time europe does something against the parasitic muslims. They always make fun of us its time thet get a taste of there own medicine. Those stupid hippocritical, mislead people!

Posted by: WDB at February 06, 2006 02:45 PM (4WcXX)

31 That is NOT the arena of ideas. That is a group of vile human beings rubbing salt in Jewish wounds as pay back for something that NON-JEWS did. Payback would have been showing a rabbi wielding a knife or bomb. When you dip into sexual perversions between Hitler and the child Anne Frank, you are showing that your religion and your people are sick and twisted. (and the artist has a perverted mind as well) I can't even imagine how facist pedophilia could even come close to payback.

Posted by: Tovya at February 06, 2006 07:21 PM (QMrPX)

32 Muhammed married a nine year old child - funny the ishmaelites are always going on about pedophelia - in most civilized countries nine years old would get you hung - I don't expect anything else out of the rag heads - piss on their muhammed!

Posted by: Rufuf T. Firefly at February 07, 2006 12:52 AM (O/WU8)

33 I guess Muslims don't quite get that a cartoon is supposed to be *funny* or *satirical*. This is neither. Silly Muslims!

Posted by: -ed at February 07, 2006 01:05 AM (VIYjD)

34 This is neither funny nor political ... its just flat out moronic. Hilter was a homosexual anyway.

Posted by: SRW at February 07, 2006 01:42 AM (7973F)

35 In America, if you make a joke or cartoon about the Pope, Jesus, the President, whoever ... wipe your ass crack with pages from the Bible or Torah ... somepeople will agree with you and laugh ... others will think that you are one sick puppy. BUT ... no one will take to the street to chant threats, ululate insanely and set the person's house on fire. It's called FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Just today, for shits and giggles, I masturbated and shot my wad onto a Koran, then used a few pages to wipe my shitty ass completely clean. I then through the unused pages into my incinerator to watch the flames flicker. Then, I buttfucked Mohammed until he screamed for more! He loves it in the ass. FUCK THE IDOL AND MOON GOD ALLAH.

Posted by: Leslie Armstrong at February 07, 2006 01:47 AM (ggnGw)

36 Sorry, I forgot to mention that before I burned rest of the Koran, I drew a picture of Allah giving Mohammed a blow job on the cover, then wrapped the whole thing in bacon and menstrual blood and threw it in the incinerator! It kinda smelled like a bacon double cheeseburger! OH NO! NOW THE FALSE GOD/FILTHY MOON IDOL ALLAH IS UTTERLY HUMILIATED, TOTALLY DEFEATED AND BADLY IN NEED OF A WHORE AND AN EIGHTBALL! HE HAS RUN TO HIS MOMMY AND IS OBTAINING SUCCOR BY SUCKLING AT HER AMPLE TEAT! WHAT A MAMMA'S BOY, ALLAH!

Posted by: Leslie Armstrong at February 07, 2006 02:02 AM (ggnGw)

37 It's ok to draw cartoons about non-Muslims, but not Muslims, or at least that's the message the camel-fuckers all over the world are sending. Basically, the camel-fucking, goat-raping, sheep-fucking, donkey-raping, cow-rapists think that they're superior to all others. The truth is that those camel-fucking inferior goat-rapists are just a bunch of terrorist scum and that is because the Koran preaches terrorism. Mocamelassgoatfucker was a terrorist and he and his gang forcibly converted Mecca to Islam 1400 years ago and since then, hundreds of millions of non-Muslims have been KILLED by these barbaric savage camel-fucking, goat-fucking, zootards! Anyways, my point is that the Europeans have got the freedom of speech to make whatever cartoons they want, as do we in America, and if those camel-fuckers don't like it, they should do what everyone else does when cartoons are drawn about them: Laugh or get upset. And if they don't want to do that, they can pick up their rags and head back to where ever the fuck these goat-rapists came from in the first place. Good ridence anyways. Muslims only come to the West to take it over anyways, so GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR COUNTRIES NOW! FUCK YOU NAZI CAMEL-FUCKING PIGS; FUCK THAT MOON CAMEL-FUCKING GOD OF YOURS WHOM YOU CALL ALLAH; FUCK THE KORAN (MY TOILET PAPER); AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, FUCK ISLAM!!!!!!!! NO ISLAM = NO TERROR! GO BACK TO SAUDI ARABIA, IRAN, SYRIA, ALGERIA, CAMELSTAN, GOATSTAN, WHATEVER, AND FUCK YOUR CAMELS BEFORE WE END UP NUKING THE FUCK OUTTA THAT TOO! MUSLIMS = NAZIS! FUCK ISLAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Camel Lyncher at February 07, 2006 02:50 AM (J/DKH)

38 OH, AND BTW, FUCK ISLAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Camel Lyncher at February 07, 2006 02:52 AM (J/DKH)

39 Hi, I am Kamal Fooker, from Saudi Arabia. These cartoons are really bad and my camels were so offended that they all died. So now I am single and I am looking for 4 new wives. If you are 600 lbs, tall, and have 2 or more humps, please contact me. Me so horny.

Posted by: Kamal Fooker at February 07, 2006 02:57 AM (J/DKH)

40 Hi, I am Kamal Fooker, from Saudi Arabia. These cartoons are really bad and my camels were so offended that they all died. So now I am single and I am looking for 4 new wives. If you are 600 lbs, tall, and have 2 or more humps, please contact me. Me so horny. ALLAH AKBAR!

Posted by: Kamal Fooker at February 07, 2006 02:57 AM (J/DKH)

41 Hi, I am Kamal Fooker, from Saudi Arabia. These cartoons are really bad and my camels were so offended that they all died. So now I am single and I am looking for 4 new wives. If you are 600 lbs, tall, and have 2 or more humps, please contact me. Me so horny. ALLAH AKBAR!

Posted by: Kamal Fooker at February 07, 2006 02:58 AM (J/DKH)

42 Hi, I am the brother of Kamal Fooker. My kids just blew themself up but there are not enough virgin left in heaven. Please go to your local zoo and shoot some camels. My kids are lonely up there. Thank you Islamic brothers. May you each get a movie with camel on goat action for free from Allah. And also, send a goat to The Kabbah, Mecca, Saudi Arabia. Cause I am feel very horny right now. My dick has never been this big before: 2 mm. ALLAH AKBAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Gootab Fooker at February 07, 2006 03:02 AM (J/DKH)

http://www.4am.org/photos/kools/Camel.jpg

Posted by: Single Camel 4U at February 07, 2006 03:33 AM (J/DKH)

44 Sorry Kadijerk Don't mean to bust your NOI type standard issue Farrakhan asskissing psychosis ... but if Allah WAS just, all you filthy, woman hating, pedophilic sand-nigger rag heads would be dead, already. You say Allah is just, I say he's just not listening to your insanely screeched prayers. Maybe he can't hear you cuz he's taking a nap? I bet he gets tired of dealing with you subhuman camel pumpers. Maybe he got up to take a leak? I personally think he's busy sodomizing 8 year old girls and calling it marital relations. But what do I know.

Posted by: What means this justice? at February 07, 2006 03:37 AM (ggnGw)

45 BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM , "Oh am sorry for that Why Moslems are angry from us WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" this what will you say soon , BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM this what will we say. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH "we are sory we did not mean it" but its too late for sorry.

Posted by: Hitler at February 07, 2006 04:33 AM (yfJTo)

46 I thought I already explained everything to ya'll. The Koran preaches terrorism. Islam=Terrorism. Allah rapes goats. Mohammad was a sheep-fucking, camel-raping, goat-loving, pedophile criminal terrorist who fucked and married a 9 year old girl. Mohammad was nothing more than a terrorist. He and his band of camel-fucking criminals massacred Mecca and created Islam. So, the Koran is my toilet paper. Allah is not "God" or anything but some Arab Pagan moon god. Muslims are not peaceful by any means at all. In conclusion: FUCK ALLAH! FUCK THE KORAN! AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, FUCK ISLAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DEATH TO THE CAMEL-FUCKERS! DEATH TO ISLAM! AMERICA AKBAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AMERICA AKBAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Camel Lyncher at February 07, 2006 05:34 AM (J/DKH)

47 Allah is not God,Allah is Satan.Islam is the worst disaster in the humanbeing history.Muslims hate christians,jews and hindus more then they love their ovn children.Mohammed pigshit be upon him.Make all mosques in the world to pigstys.Crush islam nuce Mecca and Medina!

Posted by: Thor Mikalsen at February 07, 2006 06:30 AM (ONMPY)

48 this is the news. there is no god. there is just you and me. "The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love instead see all of us as one. Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride. Take all that money we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would pay for many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace"

Posted by: bill at February 07, 2006 06:41 AM (T5bKk)

49 The only reasonable thing on this page is the mentioning of "subhumans". They are. But what is sickening me, that our fucking leaders made us addicted to their fucking oil and, in exchange for it, still letting 'em in! Bexcause all these muhahehegeenies should be treated as subhumans and should be isolated until their own crippled evolution will wipe them out for their zoo-pleasures with some sort of God's gift that will make their bitches to bear camels on two legs and with arses on their mugs...

Posted by: Nice Dude at February 07, 2006 06:46 AM (Dykn7)

50 I think a lot of you who have made the comments above have got a fantastic sense of humour but are ultimately just as fanatical, twisted, brainwashed and racist as the muslim fanatics you are criticising. Saying that all Muslims are the same and want to take over the West or inpose their religion is narrowminded and just plain STUPID. Get a life and an education and realise that whilst the fanatical Muslims deserve to be castrated with a chainsaw, the other peace loving tolerant and plain normal Muslim folk who just want to get on with their lives. I have both Muslim and Jewish friends, both think all this hate is a load of bollocks. MAKE LOVE NOT WAR

Posted by: Daniel at February 07, 2006 07:06 AM (X548T)

51 Do muzzies realize Ann was Dutch, not Dane? Therefore their cartoon is inane.

Posted by: interventor at February 07, 2006 08:02 AM (78aZU)

52 Seems that those that have nothing, think nothing, and do nothing, now have something to do like. throw rocks and draw stupid cortoons in retribution. They are poor hate filled sword carrying thugs that have nothing else to do in the dirt but think of hate. The west is of peace and will win the war againt Satan and his evil empire. Jesus will come again and very soon and all you hate filled liars will be judged to hell. But the promise is that you too can turn from your evil ways and accept Jesus Christ who God Jehova sent to seek and save the lost and the unbelievers. Just ask Jesus to forgive you and be saved from the ravages of your sin. The Virgins in heaven is a lie and you are being decieved. Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved. In the holy and only saviour of man Jesus Christ, Amen and Amen.

Posted by: andrew at February 07, 2006 08:12 AM (cSM0n)

53 Why are they trying to upset the Dutch nation? Not that they will resort to torching embassies and rioting though, thats a muslim trait. And the big difference between the cartoons is that the ones printed in the newspapers were FUNNY!! The running out of virgins one is a classic! Seeing as mohammed nonced a 9 year old girl i suppose seeing a cartoon with a monster in bed with a child would appeal to muslims.

Posted by: Pubic Beard at February 07, 2006 08:36 AM (ucpup)

54 True that! The only known self admited fucker of little girls in all these cartoons was Mohammed, (pig crap be upon him!). I guess that little fact is missed by the rag head hoards ... I mean WHORES. Islam is a religion of intolerance and hate. And fucking little bitty 8 yo girls

Posted by: TRue that! at February 07, 2006 08:49 AM (uVLhE)

55 That's not Anne Frank, that's Mohammad's child bride.

Posted by: Table Turner at February 07, 2006 09:17 AM (1cvZP)

56 There is no doubt that the more you actually attempt to carry out the teachings of the Koran, the more likely you will resort to violence. The moderate Muslims are in fact, the ones who do not follow the teachings of the Koran. Sadly, in an attempt to not offend the moderates the west has ignored this reality. The fact is, that the Muslims are practising child sacrifice when they send thier children out to kill themselves. Yes it is child sacrifice! Why don't the leaders of Islam lead by example and then we would have a lot less problems. Instead the leaders live in luxury and steal from their own people. Moreover, it was the Muslim nations that were aligned with Hitler and his Nazi's in WW II, not the Jews. The hatred of the Jews, by the Muslims, goes much farther back than WW II, and so was a natural fit for them when Hitler came along.

Posted by: Tamebycomparison at February 07, 2006 09:27 AM (4mm38)

57 That cartoon funny because it's horrible. Please bear in mind that the Muslims who have resorted to riots are pretty few in numbers. Let's not forget that everybody loves to join a mob, and that a lot of these people are poor, uneducated or just plain stupid. Reasonable people know not care too much. The people who are rioting just needed a trigger. F*** 'em, really. The less we care, and the less our stupid western media cares, the better. It's my flag they're burning down there, and all I have to say to them is: *yawn*

Posted by: Aarstad at February 07, 2006 09:36 AM (+DbEl)

58 the moslims are still pissed off about being illegitimate Jews. ismael was Abrahams bastard son. and the moslims can't forget their heritage, or forgive their fathers, the Jews...

Posted by: jack at February 07, 2006 10:25 AM (1i2Qk)

59 these so called offensive cartoons have become global, i don't think there is a corner of the world that hasn't got caught in the fire, except maybe antartica, but i'm not sure about that. this is the real war on terrorism, here is where it will be fought and lost? a war of ideas and beliefs. what a great way for terrorists to win this war than set the western world against their own ideals, their own mandate for what freedom represnts.we become too afraid to say write draw anything that may be offensive,goodbye free speech, goodbye music, goodbye art. I do think it looks like we are heading to a dark place. I've grown up with a saying in regards to those who don't share my views and ideas. "live and let live". BUt something tells me,that will not be an option they would consider.

Posted by: the happy atheist at February 07, 2006 10:42 AM (v3/1s)

60 uyoy bitchs due your fathers are seeming good when they are funking you late at night and you will destroy islam preach peace but also says to defend you and now it is time to defend n fuck you all in your houses

Posted by: ali at February 07, 2006 10:55 AM (q4tyL)

61 Ernie Orporto, A "bravo!" to your eloquent summation! You must have read my mind. I wonder about the muslims' state of mental health that causes them to lash out at Jews when Jews were never involved in the alleged "cartoon insult" in the first place. One of many issues muslims collectively need to bring before a psychiatrist...

Posted by: Erin at February 07, 2006 11:18 AM (FHqzK)

62 This is just going to prove how much better the Western world is than the savage Islamic world. Make all the cartoons you want, there will be no senseless rampages on our part.

Posted by: Brian at February 07, 2006 11:43 AM (BJYNn)

63 ... so the Jooooooos should be rioting and burning down buildings and beheading Muslims now...... ..I"m waiting.... ..still waiting...

Posted by: Daoud at February 07, 2006 11:45 AM (kIkcU)

64 ...still waiting...

Posted by: daoud at February 07, 2006 11:47 AM (kIkcU)

65 Hey, if we can only get them to stop beheading and blowing people up and enter a war of insulting cartoons, it would be a good start. Now if only that would happen.

Posted by: RBW at February 07, 2006 12:17 PM (ZrS0c)

66 I agree that at least this isn't tearing down embassies but the 2 cartoons are very different. What editorial point is this cartoon making? None. The Muhammad cartoon was pointing out that the Muslims have to address the issue of suicide bombers in their midst. The cartoon and perhaps even the idea behind it might indeed have been offensive but it was making a point..this is just a childish "if you can do it I can to" response.

Posted by: Aaron at February 07, 2006 12:44 PM (Cxe+9)

67 I think it ironic that the muslims provided a cartoon about Hitler and they are trying to develop an atomic weapon. The irony being that they are the only race since Hitler that would be crazy enough to use it. They also can't understand something they have never had i.e., freedom of speech. This is a dangerous hi-tech world we live in, my friend, muy peligroso. The entire world is going to have to wise up and work together. Religious fanatics must be stopped at all cost. We are in a war right now for our very lives and anyone that doesn't think so, I have some waterfront property in Saudi Arabia you need to buy. This world is in more peril from nuclear destruction than ever.

Posted by: the realist at February 07, 2006 01:18 PM (5GNa0)

68 Just an other show that religion is, in fact, a disease. I say we exterminate ALL religious people. Be they christian, muslim, mormon, budist, hindu or whatever. Kill all of those suckers, and we'll have a better world.

Posted by: Stynx at February 07, 2006 01:20 PM (uJrtk)

69 Hey! All fool Guys who cannot understand that Islam is the religion of Peace... Let me remind you, Muslims didn't glamorize killing the "infidels" in the crusades, didn't wage the 100 years war, didn't start the Holocaust nor the II World Wars, didn't treat civilians as "collateral damage", didn't kill more than 200,000 inocent women and children in Hiroshima and Nagazaki (1945) ... But the US and the Europe did all the mentioned crimes... But we Muslims didn't accused Jesus Christ and Christians to be criminals... History is a witness that no civilization has ever killed more people than the Western civilization, no people have oppressed others more than the Europeans. The europeans in the dark ages believed everything the Church told them and went to war for it. Today, they're just the same fanatic followers but to a different set of belief system such as "democracy" and "the free world".

Posted by: Muhammad at February 07, 2006 01:31 PM (ba9Vo)

70 The only response that comes to my mind when i read this is, "Duh". Then I think what I will have for lunch today.

Posted by: Mike at February 07, 2006 01:37 PM (SaICB)

71 DEATH TO ALL RAG WEARING, CAMEL HUMPING, SMELLY, MUSLIMS!!!!

Posted by: Gandalf at February 07, 2006 01:47 PM (14wob)

72 I like this cartoon! But if this is a attempt to insult the people of Scandinavia, it is a big miss. More and more of us are becoming sceptical to the zionist propaganda regarding the holocost. And there are more and more who belive that the whole story of Anne Frank is a hoax. Hitler was a zionist puppet, and it is only apropriate to depict him in bed with the zionist brainchild named Anne Frank. But let all sane humans, wherever they are, pray that the weapons of world war three will be the weapons of humor.That would be the first funny war in history and mankind would come out of it stronger than they entered it. Keep it up! mrreg of norway

Posted by: mrreg at February 07, 2006 01:48 PM (f8QC+)

73 Muslims rape camels and goats. AMERICA AKBAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: MUSLIMS RAPE GOATS! at February 07, 2006 01:59 PM (J/DKH)

74 What a pathetic response. I wonder if the artist of the danish cartoon was a Jew? Oh yea, he wasn't. Typical Muslim anti-semetic trash that doesn't even rebutt the origional line of thought.

Posted by: pathetic response at February 07, 2006 02:03 PM (BpCQY)

75 When a painting of the Virgin Mary with cow dung on it was displayed in a New York art gallery, it was called art. No Christians took to the streets to riot. A painting of Jesus looking like Osama bin Laden is currently in a New York art gallery pretending to be art. No Christians have taken to the streets to riot. A few cartoons have been published about Mohammed and the criminals are out in force. I didn't see any Muslims protest the acts of Sept 11th, 2001, they didn't protest the bombings in Madrid Spain, London England, Bali or any other acts of terrorism. Acts that cost thousands innocent people their lives. As you read this, keep in mind these cartoons were published four months ago. Now, from out of nowhere, the riots have started, and interesting enough, they follow a month of burning down France. It wasn't the Brits or Yanks that was setting fire to France. Can you guess who it was? Muslims have protested in the streets of London about the British forces in Iraq. Chants of "Death to Tony Blair" and "Bomb Bomb Pentagon" echo throughout London when the Muslims gather in these protest. There are laws that prohibit acts of arson, riots, anarchy and threating citizens lives because you don't like what they published. To all the Muslims out there. If you move to a country that allows free speech, it comes with the territory, like it or not. We don't change our laws if you're offended or if you've been insulted. The problem with some that migrate to others countries is your attitude, "I don't like this, I don't like that, so change it cause I said so". You have a lot of nerve coming into a country and demanding what should and shouldn't be allowed under our laws. If you don't like the laws, go back home to the third world conditions from which you came from.

Posted by: Underground at February 07, 2006 02:06 PM (irenY)

76 How is an anti-Semetic cartoon a counter attack on Denmark? 85% of the population are Lutheran NOT Jewish. In addition, if the Holocaust "never happened" why would they think cartoons depicting atrocities that,therefore, never occurred would offend anyone? If one good thing has come out of this it's that those that have been simpathetic and tolerant towards the Muslim protestors are now losing patience and seeing them for what they really are.

Posted by: Mamma Bear at February 07, 2006 02:27 PM (6VF4E)

77 Where were Muslim protesters when Muslims killed a Danish filmmaker in the name of Allah because he made a film to protect Muslim women?? Where were Muslim protesters every time a ten year old child blows up in the name of Allah?? Islam has been thirteen hundred years of murder and torture. Its only fitting they keep denying the holocaust and blame the Jews for the cartoons. To respond peacefully and not blame the Jews for anything would be not Islamic.

Posted by: Sean at February 07, 2006 02:30 PM (Ffvoi)

78 Hey mrreg before you deny the holocaust happened please learn how to spell it.

Posted by: James at February 07, 2006 02:37 PM (Ffvoi)

79 Those fuking arabs think they're gonna break our hearts with their childish tantrums and drawings. Fuck allah. fuck mohammed. fuck the arabs.

Posted by: Will at February 07, 2006 03:30 PM (668PF)

80 Those fucking arabs think they're gonna break our hearts with their childish tantrums and drawings. Fuck allah. fuck mohammed. fuck the arabs.

Posted by: Will at February 07, 2006 03:30 PM (668PF)

81 Mama Bear: This is one of the strange points in this case. James: Telling someone that the night is coming is not the same as denying the daylight! How many of you are aware that the drawings published in Denmark of the prophet were intended to be used in a childrens book on islam? How bad can that be? And there are rumors that the cartoons that are upsetting arabs newer has been printed in any western paper; they are fabrications by islamist warmongerers. A group of imams, living in Denmark of all places, traveled the whole of the middle east to start this revolt. They are now the target of investigation by the danish police.... But again: this is rumors coming out of Denmark.... It seems as someone is setting the world up for bad times.....

Posted by: mrreg at February 07, 2006 03:47 PM (f8QC+)

82 Allah Akbar when they slowly saw off someone's head. Allah Akbar those who hide behind masks. Children of darkness do thier deeds in the dark. Allah the satanic moon god from ancient times before Mohammed. Allah's children now do his bidding with AK-47s. Drunk with blood as mohammed showed them. Now the true God is gathering them up from all over the world against Israel where he will destroy them on the hills.

Posted by: Mark at February 07, 2006 03:54 PM (s5qzW)

83 Did they think the Danish newspapers were Jewish? Why didn't draw some anti Christian cartoons? In the US we have 'artists' creating pictures of Jesus and urine, so I don't think they can come up with stuff that is totally offensive. We have seen it all. We even subsidize it.

Posted by: RJ at February 07, 2006 03:56 PM (zNHHc)

84 Such a display of hatred from everybody. Decent people need to keep weapons for protection. Some people on this site could not tell you where they live without profanity. Mark of intelligence.

Posted by: James W. Boyd at February 07, 2006 04:05 PM (bj2yY)

85 I like cheese. I like meat. I like to sing about the birds and the bees. In 6 years from now all of these problems will be dreams. After the comet, there will be no more screams. For all men in the Middle East will be no more. The only survivors will be the world's hidden poor. All men will be brothers because few few will be seen. Do not ignore this warning, for today your soul must be clean.

Posted by: Sollog at February 07, 2006 04:35 PM (7CcY6)

86 I will appreciate if jean of Arc is depicted in a similar fashion.I would like to see her all bare ..

Posted by: Bollog at February 07, 2006 05:08 PM (wVZ5R)

87 Hey STYNX, Keep the Buddhists out of your list of religions to be exterminated.they do not believe in a god.

Posted by: Marco Polo at February 07, 2006 05:34 PM (/1DrA)

88 Yo Mohoomd, Don't forget to mention the 20 million Hindus that the Muslims killed in Indian when the were invading it...........while you are ticking off the evils of the Western world

Posted by: Marco Polo at February 07, 2006 05:39 PM (/1DrA)

89 Not to be too analytical, but wouldn't it have been more insulting if Anne in the picture looked like she enjoyed the forced coitus? The fact that Hitler 'raped' (physically and brutally assaulted her) is just a restatement of fact. Note to artist: If you are going to try to make people angry, at least put some real thought into it.

Posted by: Joe from USA at February 07, 2006 06:07 PM (Ozeey)

90 Not to be too analytical, but wouldn't it have been more insulting if Anne in the picture looked like she enjoyed the sex? The fact that Hitler 'raped' (physically and brutally assaulted her) is just a restatement of fact. Note to artist: If you are going to try to make people angry, at least put some real thought into it.

Posted by: Joe from USA at February 07, 2006 06:07 PM (Ozeey)

91 These cartoons prove how true that islam is a violent religion. Give me a break about peace. The cartoon shows they are violent and musslims just show it to be the case. If someone did a distasteful picture of Jesus I might not like it and would say that was not a good picture it would clearly be between that person and God. To kill and murder because someone drew a picture of muhhamad is absolutely INSANE. I hear and see the word DEVIL written all over it.

Posted by: rick at February 07, 2006 07:04 PM (N2dXx)

92 People it is a comic, not all people may find it funny. You are all entitled to your opinion. To all of you insulting Islam, Judaism, Catholicism and Islam all are some what formed from Abraham. Finally I hope all of you insulting the other think about tolerance! PS I am Catholic

Posted by: Kodi form USA at February 07, 2006 07:11 PM (Tl9hR)

93 The only solution to islam the "Truman" solution, sooner or later. sooner is better!

Posted by: Crusader at February 07, 2006 07:15 PM (yn4/B)

94 This so-called religion of peace. Yeah, right. Agree with everything we say or we'll kill you, rape your children and burn down your house,Alah be praised. Alah can kiss my white ass! Boycott the Middle East!

Posted by: Steve at February 07, 2006 07:22 PM (35ksO)

95 You numbnuts(Arabs & Jews) are acting like a bunch of out of control undisiplined bratty little bitchen children. If it wasn't for the oil, the US should just stand back and let your missles fly. Anyone fucks with us, we will finish the jihad or what ever you call it only we'll just kill everyone in the middle east, ahabs, kikes and or what ever gets in our way. We are the superpower of the world and no one and I mean NO ONE WILL FUCK WITH US!!! Now, everyone to a chair in a corner and take a ten minute timeout. NOW!!!

Posted by: Irish Breeze at February 07, 2006 07:30 PM (Wd+gz)

96 The Europeans beat the shit outa jews. Then the Muslims gave them a shelter. Then the Jews beat the shit outa muslims. Now the Europeans made fun of the muslims. Now the muslims make fun of the jews. Who wins? 1st time Jews eat the dust 2nd time Muslims eat the dust 3rd time Who eat the dust? Someones gonna watch and laugh - Is it good or bad?

Posted by: Slysaq at February 07, 2006 08:07 PM (epO2f)

97 When will the people of this planet wake up and do away with all this crap ? God, prophets and religous have been the cause of many wars and misery in the world. Wake up.

Posted by: Joe Apachi at February 07, 2006 08:12 PM (Yrflc)

98 Hey fellas - it seems some of you have got red chilli up your arses due to the Ann Frank cartoons-

I personally think this is bad humor but you the advocates of free expression..blah...blah should know better. As far Islam & peace is concerned - lets get some facts right: - Christians didn't kill Jesus - It was the Zionists. - Muslims didn't kill the jews - it was the Christians. - Muslims are not killing & occupying other people ..it is the Zionists. - Muslims didn't bomb hiroshima - it was Christian America. - Muslims don't bomb bomb poor or weak Afghans or Iraqis in the name of freedom...it is the US lead Zionist+Christian coalition ......and on and on..

Posted by: Yousef Khan at February 07, 2006 08:19 PM (epO2f)

99 I love this forum. there is a lot of intellectuals here.

Posted by: jesus at February 07, 2006 08:31 PM (epO2f)

100 I think we should put the word out ... next time Muslims start a riot for any reason whatsoever ... in France or Sandrabia or anywhere else ... WE NUKE MECCA. Preferably during the Hajj. WE NUKE MEDINA. We then take the temple mount away from the worshippers of the ancient demon moon god idol Allah. It really is THAT SIMPLE.

Posted by: NUKE MECCA at February 07, 2006 08:56 PM (bfuey)

101 Why do we bother even listing to the Muslims, they were fathered by lies and shall be killed by them...then buried face down and covered in Pigs blood. Remember the 1400's...we do

Posted by: Truth at February 07, 2006 09:42 PM (qVwgl)

102 Why do we bother even listening to the Muslims, they were fathered by lies and shall be killed by them...then buried face down and covered in Pigs blood. Remember the 1400's...we do

Posted by: Truth at February 07, 2006 09:43 PM (qVwgl)

103 From "Pee Wee's Big Adventure": Pee-wee: "I wouldn't sell my bike for all the money in the world. Not for a hundred million, billion, trillion dollars!" Francis: "Then you're crazy!" Pee-wee: "I know you are but what am I?" Francis: "You're a nerd!" Pee-wee: "I know you are but what am I?" Francis: "You're an idiot!" Pee-wee: "I know you are but what am I?" Francis: "Shut up, Pee-Wee!" Pee-wee: "Why don't you make me." Francis: "You make me!" Pee-wee: "Because. I don't make monkeys, I just train 'em." This is what these people sound like. If it wasn't for the vicious hate they've fueled, it would be funny. Let's also not forget the hate "cartoons" that come from the American press, directed at anyone who isn't far-left. Bill

Posted by: Bill at February 07, 2006 09:44 PM (2XkYN)

104 Maybe the Islamofacists wouldn't be so upset if a 'Muhammud'cartoon was created based on his true life adventures. One immediately springs to mind: We could have the eldery Muhammud, in his bedroom ans he prepares to deflower his latest nine year old wife. I suppose that's why the Islamo's are so into raping young virgins, gotta follow the Prophet after all.

Posted by: Ken at February 07, 2006 10:11 PM (aOYCe)

105 Hah Civilised, nah, wait just wait

Posted by: Mulism at February 07, 2006 10:42 PM (zNUiP)

106 I am tired of the Jew bastards,Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Dougie Feith, and, Isadore Libby, including Christians in their attacks on the Muslims. No Muslim has ever done anything to Me or Thee. Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld, and, GW are not Christians. I could say that I am the POPE, but, it doesn't make me the POPE. Saying you are a Christian to get elected to office is not what it takes to be a Christian. None of thoese NEOCON bastards, including, Bush, walk in the path of Jesus. In the US, it is rarely the Muslim who complains about public prayer or displays of the Nativity at Christmas, it is always the Jew. Some of these evangelical idots are so brainwashed they support Bush and this Goddless war on Iraq, because they think the end times are coming. Let me tell you piss ants something. Homeland Security just gave Haliburtion $365 Million dollars to build concentration Camps in the US...according to the Houston Chronicle last week. The good thing is, you dumb asses are so stupid, that when your govenrment tells you get on the bus to go to the camp for your "safety" you will do it. That is the last that we will see you. Good ridance to bad rubish.

Posted by: CFR Watcher at February 07, 2006 10:50 PM (3KPA3)

107 Yousef Khan, As far as Islam and peace are concerned, let's get some facts straight... It wasn't the U.S. that bombed Japan, but Japan that bombed Pearl Harbor. The two automic bombs were dropped after the U.S. fire bombed Toyko and after the U.S. warned Japan they were going to use a new "superbomb" to end the war. During World War II, it was the Muslims that sided with Hitler and Hitler was not a Christian, he had church after church torn down when he took power. It wasn't the Christians that came along and destroyed Yugoslovia and broke it into different regions, it was the Muslims. It's not the Christians that are causing the slaughter of thousands of innocent people in the Sudan, but the Christians being slaughterd and held in slavery by the Muslims. It's not the Christians that keep their women hidden behind a vale, prevent their women from voting, or prevent their women from going to College, it's the Muslims. It wasn't the Christians that flew two 757's into the World Trade Center, then another 757 into the Pentagon, it was the Muslims. It's not the Christians that are cutting the heads off of innocent people and yelling Glory to God, but it's the Muslims cutting the heads off of innocent people yelling, Alah Akbar. It wasn't the Christians that were trying to burn France to the ground, but the Muslims. It's not the Christians that are trying to acquire a dirty bomb and detinate it in a major city, but the Muslims trying to accomplish this. It's not the Christian President of the United States that said, Israel should be wiped off the map, it was the Muslim President of Iran. It's not a Christian hiding in a cave like a scared animal, but a Muslim, Osama bin Laden. and on, and on, and on.....

Posted by: Underground at February 07, 2006 10:54 PM (irenY)

108 You people have very boring lives!

Posted by: Naive at February 07, 2006 11:06 PM (aNSmO)

109 stay underground

Posted by: ontop of underground at February 07, 2006 11:09 PM (zNUiP)

110 If any of you dumb bastards had a brain, you would ask yourself, "Where did all the commercially made Danish flags come from? I mean in the middle of Bum-Fuck Egypt, where do you find a Danish flag? But, there they were, like the answer to a prayer, all over the middle east, hundreds of Danish flags. You could find a Danish flag in your town if I tried, how in the hell did all those flags show up on cue, just in time for the riots? Well, ever consider that the cartoons were planted in European newspapers to get a riotous reaction out of the Muslims, so, that there would be more support when the Satanic bastards Bush and Blair attack Iran? Bush and Blair have killed many more American and British troops in Iraq than is being reported. They need fresh meat from Europe to keep this New World Order plot going. If they can create enough anger toward the Muslims, maybe, Europe will send some of their troops to die for the Neocon cause. Most of you piss ants have no clue what war is like. Neither does Bush,the deserter, Cheney, Rumsfeld, or, the Zionist side of the NEOCONS, Wolfowitz, Perle, Libby, and, the Israeli spy, Doug Feith. Over 10,000 Americans have had their arms and legs sacrificed on the bloody altar of this Neocon Death Cult. There are far greater American dead than the 2,500 the media claims. The figure is closer to 8,000. America is weak. Bush the first saw to that when he began a 15 year plan to cut our military in half. The target figure for the Army was 500,000. The Air Force and Navy have half the personnel and half the planes and ships that they did during the Gulf War. Bush the first got it passed in Congress, Bill Clinton did his part, and, 15 years later, we are a weak nation, and, it was by design. We will "need" to call on our "friends" to help us in a national emergency. When foreign troops hit our streets, the end will be near. This was all planned to weaken America, and, dumb asses like you all, make cracks about the Muslims, call them names, when none of them have done anything to you or me. You all are a bunch of worthless turds, who have been decieved by the NEOCONS and their Zionist supporters. Ever since Bush the Elder attacked Iraq, during the Gulf War, unprovoked, the blood of millions of Iraqi's are on your souls. You will be judged by a righteous God. Kiss your ass goodbye, because you are not going in the rapture. Your ass will burn in hell with your heros of war and destruction. The Blood of Yugoslavia, and, what Clinton did to the Serbs is on your souls as well. While you pisssed away your time, watching NASCAR, the SuperBowl, and, getting a piece of ass, your eternal fate was sealed. You did not care one bit for your brother, you did not raise your voice in protest of the killings in Serbia, and, Iraq. You will meet the justice of a righteous God, and, he will judge you not according to your phony ass "washed in the blood" bullshit, but, by how you treated and responded to the plight of his children. Dominus Vobiscum You sure as hell are going to need it.

Posted by: CFR Watcher at February 07, 2006 11:15 PM (3KPA3)

111 UNDERGROUD.. You are a product of the public school system... Where the hell did you learn.."It wsn't the US that bombed Japan"? That errant, dumbass statement does not invoke credibilty for the rest of your rant. Prove to me that Bush is a Christian? Does he walk in the path of Jesus? Neither he nor Clinton are Christians, for there is no Christian virture in their actions. ALso, who the hell told you that the Muslims wanted to explode a "dirty" bomb? Bush? Rumsfeld? Dick Cheney? Virteous men, to a man. Very trustworty, believable ...oh hell, I can't go on, they are scum sucking, lying Satanic bastards. Sure, America may experience a nuke attack, I suspect that it will take place in three or more cities, but, just as in the World Trade Center, no NEOCONS or CEO's will die. Chicago would be a good target. Larry Silverstein, the Jew who owned Building 7, then bought the entire World Trade Center Complex for about $250 Million about two months before the attacks, then loaded it up with insurance and cashed in to the tune of $3.5 Billion dollars after the attack has bought a very tall building in Chicago. I would not be surprised if that building experiences an attack in the coming Neocon bombings. I doubt very seriously if the "former" CIA operative, Osama bin Laden is hiding in a cave. He is either dead, or, telling tales over tea with his current CIA/NSA handlers. Maybe if one of the NSA agents read your remarks to him, they all will get a laugh at how well their decption was received and how people like you spread it as gospel.

Posted by: CFR Watcher at February 07, 2006 11:31 PM (3KPA3)

112 Hey CFR Watcher, I hope your swasticker didn't slip off your arm while you were typing your rant.

Posted by: Underground at February 07, 2006 11:54 PM (irenY)

113 Underground.... No, I fastened it on with duct tape and staples... How did you attach your hammer and sickle?

Posted by: CFR Watcher at February 07, 2006 11:59 PM (3KPA3)

114 CFR Watcher, For someone who is trying to get their point accross, I'm afraid you are coming across as a Jew hating, Christian hating Liberal Twat. In fact I'm wondering how you type so profusely while your head is stuck up your arse. If, as you assert that the Jews, Christians and Conservatives are too blame. Then by default the Islamofacists are innocent, right? So then, prove yourself right. Go get a visa to Iraq and take a stroll through falluja wearing a 'stars and stripes' or a 'union jack' tee shirt. Or perhaps you could produce an art exhibit of Allah submerged in a jar of piss, exhibit it at an art gallery after advertising your exhibit in the press; then announce you'll be present at the Gallery in order to sign autographs. We'll then wait too see your starring performance, on the next Al queda snuff video boroadcast on Al Jazeera. Liberals are so amusing with their dementia type rants.

Posted by: Ken at February 08, 2006 12:02 AM (aOYCe)

115 please remember: most of dictators in thirld world are supported by western governments.millions of peoples killed by western countris in 1900-2000,and on and on.. we need freedom to talk each other and have a peaceful world .as mohammad"sa" told us 1400 years ago.we believe moses and jesus and mohammad"the last profet".

Posted by: shahaby at February 08, 2006 12:24 AM (IOMDf)

116 CFR, I don't have a communist hammer and sickle, I have the Stars and Stripes hanging from my front pourch.

Posted by: Underground at February 08, 2006 12:25 AM (irenY)

117 Ken... For years, I thought that I was a Conservative. Then, I became a Buchanan delegate to our state's GOP Convention in 1996. At the convention, I discovered, that I wasn't a Republican. Most of them, were pro China, pro-NAFTA, and, walked in step with whatever their party leaders in Washington wanted to do. It was then, that I discovered that I was a Constitutionalist, because conservative didn't have meaning any more. Every politican in my area of the state was "conservative" until they got to Washington or our state capital and fell in with the wrong crowd... the GOP party leadership. In 1966, I took an oath to defend the Constitution of the US, and, I am still very serious about that oath. After the September 11th attacks, I was called by the Commadant of the Marine Corps organization that I had helped form, and, was asked if I wished to join a group of armed men. He told me that FEMA was offering to equip former military men, and, had some money to do so. I would have been given a fully automatic rifle, a uniform, etc. I asked the Commadant, if the group would be sworn to defend the Constitution, or, if the groupp would do the bidding of FEMA, even if it violated the Constitition, especially, forcing people at gunpoint to take a vaccination. I told him if it was the later, in contravention of the Constituion, I was afraid that I would have to use whatever method necessary to defend the Constitution and the People of the US. He never called me back. My friend, a federal agent, things that I am a little to the right of Attila the Hun. So, Ken, I do hope that you are employed in a position where you are not required to use your "reasoning" or pyschic powers, because they are not worth a shit. I do not hate Jews, because, as with Muslims, Americans, Brits, or, anyone else, Jews are individual people. I do detest, the previously mentioned Jews, but, that is because they are Satanic NEOCONs and Zionists. I can sing Hava Nagila, and, used to be able to dance the Horra (?) I think that most of this is being designed to set Jew against Arab, Chistian against Jew... etc. As long as we are distracted, we will not pay attention to what is really going on. We will not recognize that our enemy, is the NEOCON. I cannot comment on that rambling something about going to Iraq and wearing a UK tee shirt. If I were in Iraq... I would be standing with my Resitance brother, fighting our common enemy....the Neocon. To defend my brother is my duty as a Christian. T he number two man in Iraq, Tariq Aziz, was a Christian. He was the UN Ambassador that we saw on our television, acting as a spokesman, prior to the brutal attack on Iraq. In Iraq, the Jews prospered, and, the Arabs got along with the Christians. The Israeli Mossad has formented religious strife in Iraq, carrying out attacks on the different religions and laying the blame upon another sect. The NEOCONS want a civil war to further destabilize Iraq. Now, Tariq Ariz, who was seized and imprisoned without charges when the Satanaic bastards, Bush and Blair, attacked Iraq, is near death. He was a great man, and, it is sad to see him so ill mistreated by the Neocons and Mossad. It's just my opinion, but, I believe that the Democrat vs. Republican, the "Liveral vs. Conservative" is a game that was invented by the globalists to keep us occupied and dumded down. I call it the WWF of Politics. There is so much evidence to support my view of this con game. I do believe that the Liberals and the Conservatives in Washington, take a few harmless verbal shots at each other on TV for our consumption, then, go out for dinner and drinks afterwards. I am a Constitutionalist. I'd like to believe that I am a Christian... But, I realize that because of this Neocon scheme to force us into a one world government, a New World Order, that I do have some anger issues that may not make my Christian walk look a little shaky. Dominus Vobiscum

Posted by: CFR Watcher at February 08, 2006 12:42 AM (3KPA3)

118 Underground... Tha's just a cover... you are in denial.

Posted by: CFR Watcher at February 08, 2006 12:45 AM (3KPA3)

119 I agree with CFR watcher on some points. I agree that all this outrage over a few cartoons is scripted by False Jew Neocons (Synogogue of Satan Ashkenazis as opposed to True Jew Sephardim) in order to justify the coming attack on Persia. Where our opinions diverge is that I believe Muslims are cursed bastard descendants of Ishmael, who have always lived up to their "wild men who will be against every man" prouncement made by God himself. They are a thorn in the side of all civilized people, and are misogynistic corrupt child rapists whose rage can be inflamed to the point of murder simply by a cartoon of their false moon god allah, or his epileptic servant Moohammered. While technically not subhuman, while trying to assert their extreme manhood, they prove that they are really little overly emotional girls who cannot follow any simple line of logic. THey hate all who are not Muslims and swear constantly that they will never stop until all on the earth are just like them. WEll, I say, FUCK THAT. Lets nuke them all and let allah sort them out.

Posted by: Death to all Filthy Muslims at February 08, 2006 01:07 AM (loR9X)

120 CFR watcher, I'm still most impressed at your ability to type while your head is apparently, still inserted in your rectum. However, let me respond: So you're a "Constitutionalist', well, let's look at what that means in your opinion, by your response: Basically, the content of your initial paragraph is based on your interpretation of your 'defending the Constitution'. Well, your hatred of Jews doesn't quite fit with the 'freedom to practice any religion' or lack of thereof, does it? Also, you appear to be against Conservative Christians, in fact you assert that Conservative's aren't christian in their actions. It would appear that your interpretation of Christianity is vastly different from mine. So, it is obvious your rants come from your radical hatred of Conservative's, so then, you lean to the Liberal left,or perhaps to the Islamic's, right? Also, your assertion that you don't hate individual Jews, after your anti-jewish rant on your posts are laughable. You are convincing as the Iranian PM's comment that he only wants nuclear production to fire up Iranian's TV sets'. I also note, that you defend the Islamofacists in your critique of Jews and Conservatives, hence your statement " I would be standing with my Resistance brother, fighting our common enemy....the neocon. So what Mosque do you preach at, Mohammud?

Posted by: Ken at February 08, 2006 01:11 AM (aOYCe)

121 Sounds a little too Old Testament for me. I prefer to dwell on the example and teachings of Jesus who commanded us to love our neighbors as ourselves. The Muslim and the Jew are my brothers. If my brother attempts to harm me, I feel justified in defending myself. However, NO MUSLIM has harmed neither Thee nor Me. You really do not understand how ill prepared we are to committ to another war with a country which has not harmed us. We are not equipped mentally or physcially. America has a judgement coming before God. The blood of the Serbs, Somali's, Vietnamese, Guatamalens, and, a few others ae stains on our souls. Many Americans are "Washed in the Blood" alright, however, it is not the Blood of Jesus, it is the blood of our nation's victims crying out for justice because we did not raise our voice in opposition. As a Marine, I volunteered to go to Vietnam. I fell for that crap about the Vietnamese wanted to be free and the Communists were poised to come to America, if we didn't fight them there. It was a crock. People have thanked me for my service to my country. But, in reality, it had nothing to do with my country, national security, or anything so noble. I served the agenda of the globalists of that era. I did my part to carry out their agenda. The result? Over 50,000 dead American sons. Many more than that wounded, some like those returning from Iraq, lost the use of their eyes, arms and legs. Countless others, were screwed up by the CIA drug running operation. Check out the movie "Air America," starring Mel Gibson. I now view it as a documentary. I used to think of Oliver North as a real hero. He was a Marine, there was kinship. Then, I found out that he was a moraless, drug running piece of filth. When he came to my hometown to speak, I didn't go see him. Like I said, many of you will get on the FEMA buses and go off to your fate. I once thought, that since, I felt that, even though my path was shaky, I was a Christian and I would need to do everything that I could to prevent your demise, I now ponder whether I should save my committment and energy for a more worthy fight.

Posted by: CFR Watcher at February 08, 2006 01:32 AM (3KPA3)

122 Ken, Again, I am very relieved that you do not have a position where you are required to use your reasoning or pyschic powers... Frankly, old chap, you suck at it.

Posted by: CFR Watcher at February 08, 2006 01:38 AM (3KPA3)

123 OK, I'll respond to you per your paragraph's: I understand your assertion with regards that Christians should 'love their enemies'. However I have a problem with that when the enemy wants to cut my head off. Also, I accept that no Muslim has harmed you personally. So until they do, do you choose to ignore the harm that has been done to others by Islamofacists? Do you choose to ignore the innocent's who are persecuted? We are well equipped to fight a war, once we ignore the pacifists who choose to ignore reality and history. America has no judgement coming to her, America will treat the unjust if need be. With regards to Vietnam, the US won the Tet offensive, that has now been addmited too by the Communist Leaders. The reason the US didn't win this war was due to the Liberal media, particularly Walter 'Cronkshite'. I have no comment regarding your opinion of 'Oliver North'. Maybe you should direct your energy and reasoning towards deciphering the truth. It's easy too find, if you choose to look straight.

Posted by: Ken at February 08, 2006 01:49 AM (aOYCe)

124 I noticed your little 'subpost'. Perhaps you could enlighten me, as I have "limited reasoning powers"; As to how you would deal with the Islamofacists?

Posted by: Ken at February 08, 2006 01:54 AM (aOYCe)

125 Okay, here is an example. You make my point. I said that Jesus said that we were to love our neighbour. However, in your post, you said that I had said that we should love our enemies. I don't mind loving my neighbour, it is the loving the enemy, that I have trouble with doing. There were also some remarks earlier about my opinons on Conservatives and Christians. You completely misrepresented my position. I do not know if it was by intent, or, if you felt that that is what you were hearing from my comments. Come join me now, for my favorite radio talk show... www.gcnlive.com Select your media player as it appears in the first or second column from the left. Just the thing to get a grip on reality. By the way, I arrived in RVN, in August of 1968. I was in Phu Bai, which is litteraly, within spitting distance from Hue, where TET began that February. None of us really felt that we had won. Especially, when the Viet Cong would come through our lines, while our bunker guards on the perimiter, smoked dope. They blew up our helicopters by these attacks and by rockets and mortars. http://www.gcnlive.com/listenlive.htm

Posted by: CFR Watcher at February 08, 2006 02:16 AM (3KPA3)

126 I believe Jesus said we should "love our enemies". So, you state that you have a problem with that. Therefore you are contradicting the Bible, I agree with you on this point though, I have a problem in bestowing Christian values on some rabid mad-dog who would kill me in the name of Allah. I'll check out your radio link. Incidentally, the Vietnam war was a couple of years before my time. I did see action afterwards, in the Middle East.

Posted by: Ken at February 08, 2006 02:33 AM (aOYCe)

127 Next stop for Islam ... specifically the Palestinians (Edomites, meaning children of Esau)... Obadiah 1:15-18: <<<<>>>> Why the hell do you think Israel is pulling out of the West Bank and Gaza settlements? Once all Jews are safe and the world sees how unreasonable and hopelessly violent and evil all Muslims are (check out the riots over a cartoon for Gods sake) .... time to toast the motherfuckers! It won't be long now! The worshipers of the demon moon god will as though they had not been (FINALLY), and allah (pig grease be upon him) will be thrown into the abyss forever to burn with unquenchable flame.

Posted by: Next stop ... at February 08, 2006 05:25 AM (loR9X)

128 CRF Wathcher...thanks for pumping some education in the empty minds of some of the dudes on this site!

Posted by: Yousef Khan at February 08, 2006 10:06 AM (ZuLp+)

129 If you have an opportunity to do so, there is a great radio talk show that begins at 1200 New York time... 1200-1500) repeats tonight at 2200-0100 NYC (Eastern Time) the link is http://www.gcnlive.com/listenlive.htm Just click on the media player that you use in either the first or second column from the left. This is the talk show host who noticed that suddenly there seemed to be commercially made Danish flags everywhere. Odd, when I would be hard pressed to find a Danish flag in my hometonw, that suddenly, they were everywhere. He is the talk show host that speculated that this event could have been planned to get a reaction out of the Muslim world in order to create fear and acceptance, in Europe, for a war with Iran. It was a trap, a set-up. I feel that his speculation has merit. Our enemies are devious. They use trickery and deceit to get us to fight one another and to accept their agenda. As I said before, no Muslim has ever done anything to me or Thee. As for the ranting about baby killing and child raping, perhaps we should ask a Canadian, why they no longer have an Airborne division in their military. And, the Belgian miltary could teach us a thing or two about child killing and torture. At Mi Lai, in Vietnam, my fellow Americans committed one of the worse outrages against humanity that has ever been done. They massacred unarmed Vietnamese old men, women and children and dumped them into a drainage ditch. A MASS GRAVE, like the ones that we like to pontificate about now concerning our "enemies." At the time, I thought it was media hype, and, that it was anti-war propaganda. But, it happened. The American fighting man had committed a heionous crime,and, while we may have gotten away with it because we were the biggest and the baddest at the time, and, no one really challenged us on it, God, knows what we did, and, we as a nation, shall be judged upon that crime as well. We put up signs in our yards... GOD BLESS AMERICA... every time I see one, I say to myself.. "Why the hell should HE?" We have removed God from every aspect of our lives. He is no longer welcome in our schools, or, our govenment meetings. His Commandments are no longer displayed, much less honoured in our courts of law. Why should He bless us? What have we done for him? http://www.gcnlive.com/listenlive.htm select your media player from either the first or the second column from the left. If you go there now, you will hear Derry Brownfield. He is a great voice in defending our property and water rights... He often has good guests on, as well. Like I said, at 1200 Eastern time, listen to Alex Jones. He has a compatriot from the UK, Paul Watson, who often calls in with additonal commentary. It is a call in program and you can join the debate as well. I have several of Alex Jones movies. His websites are www.infowars.com and www.prisonplanet.com If you search for STANLEY HILTON . Hilton is the former chief attorney for Bob Dole. Now, Hilton represents over 400 families from the World Trade Center attacks. Hilton, and, the attorney whom the Republicans hired to impeach Bill Clinton, are both very clear on whom they say committed the September 11th attacks. All the names are easy to pronounce and you have heard of most of them. Both have said that persons in and close to the US government planned and executed the attacks on September 11th. I do believe that you can hear that for yourself if you find the audio of Hilton's interview at either one of those sites. I have it recorded somewhere around here. I heard both of them say that. Schippers, the attorney who impeached Clinton, was not very comfortable saying so, and, danced around for a long time before he came out and said it, but, Hilton doesn't mince any words. He just flat out says that they did it. He has sworn affidavits from some of the alleged "hijackers," who are still alive and say that they were hired by the US Government to infiltrate Muslim groups and report on their activities. http://www.gcnlive.com/listenlive.htm

Posted by: CFR Watcher at February 08, 2006 10:58 AM (OQ/4C)

130 Yousef, Thank you for your kind words. Years ago, I listened to shortwave radio. It was right after the Soviet Union allegedly fell. There were two talk show hosts who had a great radio program, called the Intelligence report. One day, they said that, now, that the US Pentagon and the military complex, no longer had an "Enemy", that they would need a new enemy. They went on to say that the new enemy would be "terrorists." Now, please understand, that this was in the very early 1990's, when most Americans could not spell terrorist, much less comprehend the concept of terrorism What they next said, has always stuck with me. The new terrorist enemy would be Muslims. The reason being, that Muslims are more devout in their religion and toward God. Muslims would be very reluctant to go into the globalist plan of a Godless New World Order. Muslims would resist. Therefore, the globalists would need to come up with a plan to attack Muslims and make them the enemy. Christians are more easily deceived, as you can see from what is going on today. Many Christians have a veil over their eyes, they cannot see. Anyway, I thought that it was odd. Here, we had no enemy, now that the Cold War was supposedly over,and, these guys were talking about "terrorism" and, Mulsims. I was not as far along my path back then. I was very skeptical of these two talk show hosts. I believed that there was a New World Order, a globalist plan for a one world government, but, I thought that Americans would offer more resistance to it. I was wrong. We silently sit back while our chains of slavery are forged. Those who call themselves Christians are the most compliant. I am shocked at how easily they are deceived. For some, the veil has been lifted, and, they are becoming aware, but, too many of them believe that the Satanic Bastard Bush, is one of them. Bush is no more a Christian than Pol Pot or Stalin was. They have a lot in common, but, it isn't religion. Last night, I was having dinner with my friend, a doctor, who is also an Evangelical Christian. I mentioned the radio talk show from a long time ago where they said that Muslims, in general, were more devoted to God, than were Christians. He raised his eyebrows and asked me "Why do you say that?" Like it could not be possibly true. I said... For one thing, they get down on their knees and pray to God several times a day, do we? He replied..."Good Point." One of those talk show hosts still has a radio program... you can hear it daily at www.rbnlive.com click on Listen... His name is John Stadtmiller and he is on from 1700-1900 New York.. Eastern time. The program is still called the Intelligence Report. The number 2 man in Iraq, under President Saddam Hussein, Teriq Aziz, is a Christian. Ever since the unprovoked invasion and occupation of Iraq, by the globalists, Teriq Aziz has been held in prison, without charges. He is in poor health. When he dies, it will only more blood on our souls. America has not repented, we have not atoned. When judgement comes before God, we will be in a world of shit. God has not forgotten or overlooked our sins, even though we conveniently have. We are a society of consumption, and, celf-centeredness. Well over a million souls have been killed in Iraq by Bush, Clinton, and, Bush the lesser. Clinton killed the innocent in Serbia. All these souls cry out to God for justice, and, He will hand out that justice in His own way and in His own time. Woe be unto us, especially if we never raised our voices in protest of crimes committed in our name by our leaders.

Posted by: CFR Watcher at February 08, 2006 11:55 AM (OQ/4C)

131 CFR Watcher: Interesting read you have typed. "All the names are easy to pronounce and you have heard of most of them. Both have said that persons in and close to the US government planned and executed the attacks on September 11th. I do believe that you can hear that for yourself if you find the audio of Hilton's interview at either one of those sites. I have it recorded somewhere around here. I heard both of them say that. Schippers, the attorney who impeached Clinton, was not very comfortable saying so, and, danced around for a long time before he came out and said it, but, Hilton doesn't mince any words. He just flat out says that they did it. He has sworn affidavits from some of the alleged "hijackers," who are still alive and say that they were hired by the US Government to infiltrate Muslim groups and report on their activities". I can only assume, that maybe your were affected by agent orange during your Vietnam years. That coupled with the suffocating effect of having your head continually inserted in your rectrum, is causing severe brain ,alfinctions, delerium and general silliness. Perhaps it's time you were fitted with a new jacket, one with big straps and buckles that ties around the back. And Yousef Khan: I realize you are taking time off from watching your favorite movies, the ones starring Nick Berg etc. However from your anti-Jewish ranting, you are merely a Nazi who faces Mecca five times a day. I'm afraid you're as convincing as the other current Nazi currently in the headlines; The PM from Iran. You know what Mr. Nazi, I can prove to you that the Koran is a fraud and Mohammud is a fake, would you like me to enlighten you?

Posted by: Ken at February 08, 2006 08:59 PM (aOYCe)

132 KEN I would like to know ...please enlighten us

Posted by: gandolf at February 08, 2006 09:43 PM (hTcSz)

133 I intended to post factual contradictions in the Koran, together with a Koranic challenge to dissprove its contents. However I'm afraid I've been denied tthe right to post due to questionable content.

Posted by: Ken at February 08, 2006 10:24 PM (aOYCe)

134 I intended to post factual contradictions in the Koran, together with a Koranic challenge to dissprove its contents. However I'm afraid I've been denied the right to post due to questionable content.

Posted by: Ken at February 08, 2006 10:25 PM (aOYCe)

135 gandolf: I'll post the challenge as contained in the Koran, maybe I can then post examples on a case by case basis, we'll see how that goes: There is a Challenge in Islam which is bragged to have existed for over 1400 years. The Sura 4:82 challenge. The Challenge is to find just one error in the Koran. if just one error is found in the Koran then that is the proof that the Koran did not come from God. After all God does not make mistakes.

Posted by: Ken at February 08, 2006 10:32 PM (aOYCe)

136 Ken, I liked you better when you used your non-existant pyschic powers.

Posted by: CFR Watcher at February 09, 2006 12:03 AM (NoTnb)

137 Operation "Bacofoil" is a go, repeat is a go.

Posted by: dave at February 09, 2006 12:24 AM (CcXvt)

138 CFR Watcher: I still like you, your anti Jewish rants and your pretence at legitimizing them are real funny. I shouldn't really laugh though, it's sad to mock the afflicted, especially when your cranium is wedged firmly in your rectum. Think about what your posts have stated: a) You're a Vietnam Vet. b) You align yourself with Islamofacists against the neocons c) You hate Jews You really are a very deranged and silly person aren't you? You aren't 'two faced', you're multi faced. Oh well, I suppose that has to do with the agent oragne and your rectal suffocation.

Posted by: Ken at February 09, 2006 12:27 AM (aOYCe)

139 This topic was originally started to discuss the cartoonsthat ran in the European press. The way that I look at it is, if you go to your friends house for dinner, where his wife has cooked a roast. When she asked you how everything was, would you tell her that it needed salt, was a little too dry, and, had no real flavor? Would you tell her that her mashed potatoes were too lumpy and that she needed to ad more butter and milk? Well, that would be your right under free speech, but, would you do do that? Most of us, would not. We exercise self imposed restraint upon our free speech. We have the right to critize her dinner preparation, but, we choose not to, for a multitude of reasons. The Danish newspaper did not exercise restraint. There was no reason to publish the cartoon, except to incite the Muslim world. If the Muslim world reacted exactly as had been anticipated, then, the demonstrations that ensued would horriy the Europeans, making them more accepting to the idea of attacking Iran and Syria. This is the exact outcome that the globalists had hoped to acheive. Thousands of Muslims demonstrating and buring European flags on television, and, Europeans becoming accepting of a globalsit attack on Iran and Syria. They played both the Muslims and the Europeans like a fiddle. There will be multiple attacks on US soil, most likey some will involve a light nuclear weapon. Then, right on cue, the Americans will pile in their cars and drive furiously down the highways with little American flags fluttering from their autos. We are are pretty naive when it comes to all this intrique, and, we all, Muslim, European, and, American, will typically act in the manner that the globalists had estimated. The plots of September 11th were not hatched in a cave in Afghanistan, but, in the more sinsister halls of the Council of Foreign Relations in New York, and, Darvos, Switzerland. Chicago, beware. Larry Silverstein, the jew who bought the entire World Trade Center complex, just two months prior to September 11th, for $250 million, has recently bought a very tall building in Chicago. Silvestein made $3.5 BILLION dolldars off of the insurance after the attacks. How convenient. It didn't hurt that Mineta, the Transportation Secretary, sent out a memo in the summer of 2001, about two months before the attacks, warning Airports and Airlines to NOT SINGLE OUT ANYONE OF MIDDLE EASTERN APPEARANCE for special attention. Now, why would he do that? I suspect that he did it to allow agents to move freely and carry out the globalist plot to carry out the attacks. I could generally recognize a European origin Jew, however, when it gets to middle eastern born Jews, of that heritage, I would be hard pressed to identify a Jew from a non-jew. At the time of the attacks, the US Congress was putting pressure on Israel to treat the Palestinans more humainly. The Congress had even talked about cutting aid to Israel. Just a couple of months later, the September 11th attacks took place and there was no more talk of cutting aid to Israel. Here are just some of the people whom I believe were involved in the September 11th attacks. It is a wide spectrum group, but, I believe that all had an interest in bringing about the New World Order. George Schultz, Jim Baker, Joe Liberman, Joe Biden, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Dick Cheney, Douglas Feith, Karl Rove, Douglas Feith, Isadore Libby. Bush? Daddy Bush for sure, Baby Bush, well, they used this dullard to be the front man, the same as they used Reagan after the Bush family tried to assisinate him in Reagans first months in office.

Posted by: CFR Watcher at February 09, 2006 12:41 AM (NoTnb)

140 You forgot the Skull and Bones, Freemasons, Trilateral Commission, Illuminati, Knights Templar, Priory of Sion, The man from the grassy knoll, The guy who held the camera reflected in the visor on the fake moonlanding footage, Elvis the DEA agen, Majestic twelve and the black Helicopter pilots.

Posted by: dave at February 09, 2006 12:52 AM (CcXvt)

141 You forgot the Skull and Bones, Freemasons, Trilateral Commission, Illuminati, Knights Templar, Priory of Sion, The man from the grassy knoll, The guy who held the camera reflected in the visor on the fake moonlanding footage, Elvis the DEA agent, Majestic twelve and the black Helicopter pilots.

Posted by: dave at February 09, 2006 12:52 AM (CcXvt)

142 Oh, yes, I add the old bastard traitor, Henry Kissinger and David Rockefeller to my incomplete list of conspirators... Search on PNAC, and, Operation Northwoods. Then you will know what these consiprators were up to, the reasons are many that brought them together. It wasn't just oil, but, that was part of it. Some ask why oil prices have not gone down, because they counted on filling up their Pinto more cheaply once the globalists had secured the Iraqi oil fields. Well, what makes you think that the globalists want the price of oil to go down? The main reason that they wanted the Iraqi oil, was to CONTROL the oil. That means, if they sat on it, merely controling it, that would remove some oil from the market, thus, driving up the price for the rest of their oil. Less work, higher prices. A win-win for the globalists. This is not a Jewish conspiracy, it is just a plain ol, broadbased conspiracy with corrupted Jews, Evangelicals, Catholics, Hindus, and, atheists all working for a goal that benefits them all, in some way.

Posted by: CFR Watcher at February 09, 2006 12:56 AM (NoTnb)

143 Dave, Thank you... I had forgotten about them. Especially that Skull and Bones, Bohemian Grove crowd. I don't know the Scion folks, or, much about Freemasons. The Trilats are in on it as are the Bilderbergers, but, I didn't know Elvis was narc'n for the DEA. Frankly, I have been keeping an eye on the ELKS and the EAGLES club. Something is afoot there. Both of those clubs have an E and an S in their name. That must be some type of secret lingo. Dyncorp slave rings will be talked about on my favorite radio program coming on now... that should be about 0300 Eastern time. Great guests.. come join me listening to the radio at http://www.gcnlive.com/listenlive.htm Just select whichever media player source you use from either the first or second column form the let. Ciao.

Posted by: CFR Watcher at February 09, 2006 01:08 AM (NoTnb)

144 CFR Watcher: Interesting comparison, where you compare someones comments regarding dinner preferences with the Islamic's fascination with killing. I notice you appear to preach restraint, why? I don't see any restraint being applied to the slaughter being carried out by Muslim fanatics all over the world, in fact, given their preference for such behaviour and their morbid adherence to violence contained in the Koran, I'd say a caricature of Mohammud with a 'bomb fuse turban' is pretty appropriate. I also notice you constantly refer to the 'Globalist's being responsible for the acts of terror, are these 'Globalist's' also responsible for all the Islamic atrocities being carried out around the world as we speak? Your rhetoric reminds me of the following phrase: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" Your primary enemies appear to be the Conservatives and the Jews, so guess who your friends are? Guess also, where the above phrase originated from: You guessed it, right? It's from the Middle East. So tell me, when you have your Islamofacist hat on, how do you manage to pray to Allah with your head stuck up your rectum?

Posted by: Ken at February 09, 2006 01:09 AM (aOYCe)

145 Ken, Your homo-erotic fixation with rectums is somewhat troubling. Especially, since it is my rectum that you are fixated upon. Anti-Jew? Hardly, however, I am not an Israel Firster, either. I am an American. I believe in the Constitution. I want to be left alone, and, I will leave others alone, in turn. I will assist others who need my aid, but, only after determining if the lending of aid is warranted. In Indonesia, and, Malysia, Mulsims have attacked the Catholics. On the surface that could be considered to be religiously related. However, the Cahtolics, who are Chinese, are primarily the ones who own many if not most of the businesses in Indonesia and Malaysia. So, the attacks could be racially motivated or out of fustration, that a non-local population control a sizable protion of the economy. I am not versed enough in the affairs of those two nations, to make a educated decision. I am sure that those populations are agitated by those who have their own agenda. I have trouble keeping my own house in order to suggest what is the state of affairs there. You diatribe about Muslims killing all over the world. I have not seen that to be the case. I see Brits killing Catholics in Ireland, Brits killing Serb Cathoics, and, Brits killing Muslims and Cathoics in Iraq. As far as I can tell, it seems like Brits and their colonialist brethern, the Americans, are out all over the world killing people, not the Muslims. If the Muslim does kill, it seems to be more localized, whereas the Brit and the American will travel thousands of miles in order to kill those whom have never done anything to them. When you say that I am Anti-Jew, it doesn't bother me, because it is just a dumbass wise crack, of no merit. I believe defending what is right. It seems to me that, the government in Israel, keeps stiring up the pot, and, using their agents in Hamas, to stir up both populations. War keeps the incumbent group in power. Both in the US and in Israel. Stir up the pot, keep the Israelis and Palestanians at each other, and, the incumbents remain in power and loot their citizens, and, stuff their pockets. It works that way in the US, it seems that is what Israel is doing, as well. "Keep Bush in power, don't change horses in the middle of a war.... keep Likud in power, the Palestians are restless." Yep, the same line of terror, originating from inside the government, keeps the population in control and off balance.

Posted by: CFR Watcher at February 09, 2006 01:47 AM (NoTnb)

146 CFR Watcher: Thank's for your response, now let me respond to your comments: Firstly, I am not fixated with rectum's, I am merely concerned with your cranium being suffocated by yours. Your assertion of not being anti-Jew doesn't cut it, your rhetoric is visible and prevalent. It doesn't wash, Bud. OK, I'll address your next two paragraphs with the following, with regards to your apparent ignorance of islamic world events and your preoccupation of the British: Current sources of death and Destruction by Islamist's: Kashmir/India/Pakistan Ethiopia/Eritrea Chechnya/Russia Sudan Somalia Algeria Afghanistan Sri-Lanka Israel Chad Nigeria Indonesia/Western Borneo Western Eritrea Armenia-Azerbaijan There's more, but I think that's enough to ponder. Finally, you again state denial of your anti-Jewish rhetoric, that's pretty funny considering your comments are on the internet for all to see. Again, in your last paragraph you castigate Israel. You're a Nazi, along with your Islamofacist buddies.

Posted by: Ken at February 09, 2006 02:20 AM (aOYCe)

147 Ken, There you go again. You have a very unhealthy homo-erotic fascination with rectums. You just cannot stay on topic, you always go for the butt. I have watched enough FRAZIER to know that it is either something to do with potty training or a man on man kind of thing. You know, like Broke Back Mountain. I am going off to beddy-bye and don't have the time to respond to each instance, but, you made my case. I said that if there were cases of Muslim fighting, that it was localized. I am sorry to have used such a big word, but, localized means that they are involved in disputes within their own terrorities. Each instance that you listed contains a sizable Muslim population. There are differing reasons for fighting in each of those countires and I am sure that you would find globalsit involvment in initiating and keeping the fighting going. Chechnya was fine until Russia invaded it again. I support the Chechnyans and their stuggle to be free of Russia. I admire the courageous resistance that the Chechnyans have mounted against the Russian aggressors. I am concerned about the war in the Sudan, but, apparently, I am the only one. Neither the UN nor the US has done anything to address the situation there. I do not know all the cultural details, only what I hear on US television, which is always suspect. That is a sad situation. Again, I do not know the details of both sides in that war. I would hope that the Moslems were not killing the southerners merely because they are Christians, as the Brits killed Catholics in Ireland, Serbia and Iraq, merely because they were Catholic. Nazi? No, afraid not. You must have me confused with the President and his Neocon crowd. Ta-Ta, off to bed, with you now.. and, no more dreaming of bums and whatnot.

Posted by: CFR Watcher at February 09, 2006 02:40 AM (NoTnb)

148 CFR watching: I take it you wash your hair each evening, pretty disgusting if you don't. know what I mean? It's interesting how you label global conflict as "localized fighting". Perhaps you could provide the percentages of these " sizable Muslim populations". I'd be most interested to see the arithmetic. Also, please explain what the differing reasons are concerning the fighting in those regions? especially when one opposing side in each conflict are Islamic? I also see you support the Muslims fighting in Chechnya, I take it then, that you completely approve of the butchering and rape of children in Beslan? The perpetrator's are your buddies after all. aren't they? So what Mosque do you preach at, Mohammud?

Posted by: Ken at February 09, 2006 02:55 AM (aOYCe)

149 Oh, if only!! if we only had a Truman in the White House, or a general Patton or MacArthur on the battlefield. 40 years of feminizing testosterone out of the American male psyche. 40 years of indoctrinating the American male into the politically correct glories of sensitivity awareness, irrational tolerance, and multiculturalism. No wonder when now confronted with the firey breath of savage demons who would destroy us we are helpless beyond offering weak admonitions to be sensitive and understanding. After the cataclysm we will wake up and the savages will be destroyed, but at best it will be a "pyrrhic victory", so sadly avoidable. If only...

Posted by: Crusader at February 09, 2006 04:23 AM (yn4/B)

150 Ken , Good points you have , where ever there are Muslims in the world today there is death and destruction,except in western countries, oops I'm wrong. World trade centers,Subways,riots and arsonists, and all the little things our goverment(s) hide from us, so as not to create panic. Do not forget the Phillipines,Indonesia,etc....they seem to be trying to move into Austrailia or surrond them anyways. Its so funny to me they could be upset at a bunch of cartoons , its not the cartoons, they are perpetually in a state of anger at the wrold for all of their shortcomings, all of their faults, and cannot accept they are really just a backwards dark age people who beleive in a book written by a terroist from so long ago. They need to wake up and get into the modern world . I have noticed here in America that the younger generation , mostly the white males I know about through my son and his freinds, they are mostly saying ' just nuke them,nuke the whole area' , so much for breeding tolerance into our children. The Muslims are creating generations of people who think they are sick,stupid and backwards, good going you Islamists, welcome to the real world.

Posted by: Diversity at February 09, 2006 07:54 AM (hHZ38)

151 How interesting it is that you should mention the Phillipines. A couple of years ago, there seemed to be a small coup taking place among the Phillipine military. Their core complaint was that the Phillipine government had been secretly funding and arming the Communist groups. There was almost no mention of that fact in western media, even though they covered the revolt for a period of time. Well, I see that I have not been corresponding here with Christians. Why didn't you tell me right off that this was a secular Israeli Mossad Neocon propaganda site? Hell, I thought that you all wanted to learn something in the exchange of ideas here. All you really want is to spread disinformation about the attacks on September 11th, the NEOCON planning and execution of the attacks, and, their attempts to now stir up the Muslim world with these cartoons. Some of you dumb shits have never been to war. As it is apparent from your ignorant "Nuke 'em" rants. You will soon see who will get nuked. The Neocons must act before the end of March to attack Iran. So, they already have planned multiple strikes in the US within the month to get support up for that war. It worked when they did it to take down the WTC ala Operation Northwoods, so, why change a good game plan. Since Larry Silverstien, oh, my... a Jew, made $3.5 Billion dollars on having his World Trade Center buildings attacked on September 11th, I figure that since he bought a bulding in Chicago, that Chicago will be one of the targets. If you live in Chicago, stay out of tall buildings. Martial law will be enacted, and, you will be encouraged, at the point of a gun, to board a FEMA bus and to go to a FEMA camp for your safety. That is when we will see who has testosterone and who does not, because that is when the ones who love freedom will expell the ones who have ploted against it. After the September 11th attack, San Diego police broke up a plot by a radical Jewish Rabbi, leader of the JDL, and, an accomplice who, when arrested, had weapons and pipe bombs in their car. They had planned to blow up the offices of a US Congressman and several Mosques The Rabbi died in jail. NO Muslim terror there, only terror planned by Jews. Okay, yes, I am still pissed over the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty. Jews killing Americans, how novel. In the Marine Corps, my best friend was a Jew. You guys give Jews a bad name. You are worthless pimps of terror and disinformation. Oh come on, even an idiot know that Beslan was a Putin FSB op. As were the Moskva apartment bombings a few years earlier. Hey, I read both of Victor Ostrosky's books. You are not dealing with an ordinary dummy here. I am an extraordinary dummy.

Posted by: CFR Watcher at February 09, 2006 08:41 AM (RBBAI)

152 CFR, Or Karl Rove could use the star-drive from the downed Roswell flying saucer to cause an anti-matter bubble and blame it on Terrorists, or even the earthquake generator from the nose of the spaceshuttle.

Posted by: dave at February 09, 2006 09:38 AM (CcXvt)

153 What a joker u r CFR ( Conspiracy First, Remember) just as the US probaly started WWII, it was also the US who started every other conflict in the world, just to make money, hahaha , never been in war , and that has something to do with ? nothing . I was just saying about the nukes that the younger generation in the US seems to be getting very into blaming the right people for doing the wrong things ( Islamo retards ). I'm sure its the US or Israel who planted the cartoon thoughts in Muslims feeble minds. Lets behead the infidels who so wrongly insulted our prophet, come on, maybe it was just US spies holding those placards saying all those ridiculas things. Anyways, reading all of the Islamists statements, from Hamass, to Hizbullshit, to Zarcoward , has to make one think doesn't it ? Why would the Iraq people be so upset with the US coming in there to remove Sadam ? and rebuild their country ? for free ? I am positive , that the US would prefer not to be there , all the Muslims would still seel us their oil , what else would they do with it ? How else would they live like Kings when their peasants suffer so . I'm ranting , but CFR , you are a gas , you can't be for real .

Posted by: Diversity at February 09, 2006 12:29 PM (hHZ38)

154 Why does Bush insist on calling these moon-idol death cult worshipers peaceful??

Posted by: Crusader at February 09, 2006 08:23 PM (yn4/B)

155 Diversity, I completely agree with you, I am always totally amazed at the 'tin foil hat' theories offered by the Jew-haters, they actually think they are convincing. In reality they are as convincing as the King of Saudi announcing he will build a Christian church in Jeddah. Regarding the cartoons, what the hell right does some brainwashed moron, who can recite the Koran from memory; say that I can't draw a picture of Mohammud with a bomb like turban, the answer is no right. I refuse to consider the denial of free speech, from any moron who's mind is in the seventh century, who doesn't wash adequately, and who get's his jollies by sawing off peoples heads, or raping and butchering non-muslim children, or by dancing in the street at shots of people leaping to their deaths from the WTC. The Nazi's are alive and well, only this time they are wearing cloths or turbans on their heads, pray to mecca and gerenrally smell like shit.

Posted by: Ken at February 09, 2006 09:37 PM (aOYCe)

156 CFR Watching: What on earth does your comments regarding a miliary coup and commie groups in the Phillipines, have to do with your Chechnya like buddies presently killing there in the name of Islam, have you been studying geometry, tangents in particular? So you think this is a "secular Israeli Mossad neocon propaganda site", how so, because unlike you there are those on this site who don't hate Jews as you do. I'm afraid you have the political consistency and sense of fairness of an asswipe, an Islamic asswipe just like your Beslan buddies. You say I want to stir up the Muslim world with cartoons, hey buddy I didn't draw them but I respect the freedom of choice to be able to do so if I wish. You don't do you, you prefer censorship in order to pacify a bunch of bloodthirsty morons, who would be better of transported back to the seventh cehtury. We all have read your claim to be 'GI Joe' extraordinaire, who gives a shit. That has no bearing on the topic. Again you rant on half assed about the neocon's and the WTC, are you really this crazy or is it a comedy act, are you typing from some psychiatric ward in outer Mongolia, maybe you hope for a starring role in the outer limits. You may well be right about martial law if there is another major terrorist attack in the US, but it won't be Conservatives who are rounded up. It will be people like your Beslan buddies, you know, the one's you worship. Better watch out with that, The NeoIslamics don't like adolatry, even if you are worshipping them as you do. I've no idea about the Rabid Rabbi you are prattling on about, I do recall however, your Muslim buddies being caught, on their way to enact the New Year, blow up multiple jets plot. But that's Ok with you, after all the west upsets them with terrible atrocities like cartoons, don't we. Finally I agree with you, you are indeed a"an extraordinary dummy". In fact you are the greatest dummy I have ever come accross, the El Supremo of dummies, the greatest and most exhalted dummy in the world, no, in the universe. The supreme being of dummies, the dumbest of superior dummies ever to have graced the earth. Oops: Shit, I'd better watch out, that sounds like idolatry; I don't want to get my head cut off by your Beslan like kindred.

Posted by: Ken at February 09, 2006 10:11 PM (aOYCe)

157 Okay, I thought that y'all wanted to have serious discourse on issues, but, apparently, the only thing you joo boys are interested in is doing each other in the arse. I have never met a joo boy yet who wouldn't give up a night with a JAP, in order to but hole his buddy joo. Seriously, you boys are not very good at pysops. This can't be a Mossad page of disinformation, because you don't have any information. You must joo mossad wannabees, just a little less creative and intellectual than Austin Powers. What amazes me is that you joos can rattle off alleged infractions from all over the globe, yet you "hadn't heard" about Irv Rubin, the joo rabbi who killed himself in jail in order not to go to trial on terrorist charges of attempting to blow up the office of a US Congressman and mosques in So. Cal. Now, in typical joo fashion, Irv's family of joos are filing a "wrongful death" case against the authorities in San Diego. With a joo, it "all about the money." Larry Silvertein bought the World Trade Center two months before the attack, loaded it with insurance and then sat back while his friends in the NSA and the CIA blew it up for him on September 11th. He claimed $3.5 Billion dollars, even though he had only paid $250 million. Larry got a big ole bag of cash, he is one happy joo. Larry has just bought a bullding in Chicago... Can a joo boy from NYC get lucky once again? Let's wait and see. How come you joo boys don't want to talk about the deliberate attack by the Joos upon the USS Liberty, an American ship in international waters? Why don't you joos wanna talk about that? Joos killing Americans... alast, it wasn't the last time that Americans have died for the joo. I remember the USS Liberty, and, I am not letting the joos off. As far as terrorism, no one comes close to the joo. Remember the Kind David Hotel. Now how did that go? Was it Arabs dressing up like joooos to commit this act of gross terror, or, was it joos dressing up as Arabs? Well, Rabbi Irv's but loving partern, Earl Krugel, got 20 years. At 62, when Earl gets out, his but will be good and loose, and, his penis a bit more shriveled. Ahh, there is a God in Heaven. Here is the Terrorist Joo Rabbi story, in case you actually did miss it and aren't lying your little joo boy ass off.

Posted by: Lucky Bob at February 10, 2006 12:06 AM (4xug8)

158 Jooish Terrorist Gets Prison Plotted with other Joos to bomb congressman's office, mosque; suspected in torching of revisionist office By Laura Wides, Associated Press Writer Website note: we regret we cannot locate a photo of Earl Krugel. CBS published the courtroom caricature, showing him at far right, with Irving David Rubin (yes, that was Rubin's full name, which we also regret) A JOOISH Defense League member was sentenced Thursday to 20 years in prison for his role in a plot to bomb a mosque and the field office of a Lebanese-American congressman. U.S. District Judge Ronald S.W. Lew gave Earl Krugel, 62, of Reseda, the maximum sentence under a plea deal because of what he said were Krugel's actions "promoting hatred in the most vile way." During the hearing, Krugel apologized to the court and said he was a changed man, calling his actions "wrong-headed and illegal." "I asked the court to show compassion, not for my own sake, but for my family," he said. Lew said he was not convinced, noting that Krugel failed a polygraph test five times during the investigation. "You are not that changed a person. You have more to give," he said. Krugel had pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to violate the civil rights of worshippers at Culver City's King Fahd Mosque and one count of carrying an explosive device in connection with a conspiracy to impede or injure Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Vista. Source: AP

Posted by: Lucky Bob at February 10, 2006 12:11 AM (4xug8)

159 Hey Lucky Bob, Guess what moron, I myself, aint a Joo. Although your assumption that someone who isn't a Nazi or a David Duke supporting, brainless cretin doesn't surprise anyone. I'm not even going to check into your anti-jooish rants and assertions, the fact you use them to justify your lobotimized anti-Joo mentality and ignore the Facism of militant Islam, definitely shows that you weren't the greatest scholastic individual at High School. So tell me, Mr. Anti-Joo boy,what kind of cartoon would describe you? I would guess one that shows a broken toothed individual, spawned from some definite family inbreeding, who gets his history lessons and political perspective from the manuals of the KKK. Written of course, in Tiny Toon language; in that order you can attempt to string more that two syllables together at the same time. Tell me Mr. Joo-Hater, can you walk and chew gum at the same time?

Posted by: Ken at February 10, 2006 12:27 AM (aOYCe)

160 I really don't hate jews... it's just Muslims are more honest and nicer people to be around. All that ass worship and fasincination that has been exhibited here only confirms your natural jew homo erotic butt hole loving tendencies. It is really sad. All those lovely JAPS, and, you boys bum loving one another. Sad, just plain sad. At least you sissy boy butt lickers won't reproduce. Come on, say it with me now, like you really mean it.... ALLAH AKKBAR...

Posted by: Lucky Bob at February 10, 2006 12:32 AM (4xug8)

161 Ken, Since you asked, here is my idea for a real knee slapping cartoon. You know the jewish candlestick thing? Well, instead of candle hodlers, what if each of the candle sticks were a PENIS... and, hanging from the full candle stick were bras and panties and a tampon or two. I think that would be a real hoot. There is real symbolism there. Maybe there could be a contest for the headline... something like..."light this" comes to mind. Maybe almost nekked jewish girls in a wide range of ages, say 8-80, could be standing by each one of the penis candle sticks. That might pep it up a bit. They could have those jewish star emblems coveering their genitals. Unless they insist on posing totally nude. Now, that would be funny. Then, if you could somehow work in a calf to portray the golden calf that the jews worshiped while Moses was on the mount. That would symbolize how jews have the highest perecentate of atheism of any other religious group. They always break their covenant with God. Never fails. So, a calf, or, have the jewish girls ride a calf, or, hold idols in their hand, etc. Something really eye appealing. Sorry, I am not very creative. This was the fist thing that came to mind. If I devote some time to it, I might be able to do better. How many European newspapers would publish that? You know, with all those anti-free speech laws and whatnot in those European countries who said that they published the cartoons out of their sense of freedom of speech. It is mocks a Muslim, I guess that is okay, that is free speech, but, if it, in any way, does not color the jew in a false image of wholesomneness, I guess that is not free speech. That is ten years in prison. Go figure, Morris.

Posted by: Lucky Bob at February 10, 2006 12:47 AM (4xug8)

162 Lucky Bob: Suuuure, you don't hate Joooooos, do you. You know what, my head doesn't zip up the back, unfortunately for you. So you find Muslims "more honest and nicer to be around", I assume then, that you spend a great deal of time with them and have numerous Muslim freinds, do they all have the same opinion of jews as you do? What Islamic's do you find particularly nice, I presume they're mostly male as the have a thing about women, don't they? Are they the ones that cut peoples heads off, or maybe the ones that riot because of a stupid cartoon, let me know. Also, what has a Jew ever done to you in order to inspire such hate, perhaps drawn a cartoon of Mohammud? Hmm..."Jew homo erectic butt hole loving tendencies", I suppose that's an inference that I'm homosexual? Well KKK boy, I'm not. But don't worry, if I was I wouldn't see you stuck. I'm afraid your authorship has confirmed you are so bitter in your hatred of Jews, that you are blinded as to the real threat against society, but that's to be expected by your ilk. When I first read your post, I suspected that you also, had your cranium inserted up your rectum. However I now realize that isn't so in your case, because any neurological damage caused by having your head up your ass would be by lack of air. But to be affected so, one would need a fully functioning brain in the first place. Heil!

Posted by: Ken at February 10, 2006 12:56 AM (aOYCe)

163 Gee Lock Bob, you're getting creative: ""You know the jewish candlestick thing? Well, instead of candle hodlers, what if each of the candle sticks were a PENIS... and, hanging from the full candle stick were bras and panties and a tampon or two. I think that would be a real hoot. There is real symbolism there. Maybe there could be a contest for the headline... something like..."light this" comes to mind. Maybe almost nekked jewish girls in a wide range of ages, say 8-80, could be standing by each one of the penis candle sticks. That might pep it up a bit. They could have those jewish star emblems coveering their genitals. Unless they insist on posing totally nude. Now, that would be funny. Then, if you could somehow work in a calf to portray the golden calf that the jews worshiped while Moses was on the mount. That would symbolize how jews have the highest perecentate of atheism of any other religious group. They always break their covenant with God. Never fails. So, a calf, or, have the jewish girls ride a calf, or, hold idols in their hand, etc. Something really eye appealing". Are you trying for a job at 'Hustler'. Let me try to educate you, if you wanted to pen such a thing go ahead and do so. It's your right to look like an idiot regardless of who you offend. get it now, Mr. Anti-Jew?

Posted by: Ken at February 10, 2006 01:05 AM (aOYCe)

164 Ken, Only you and God know that you are a homosexual. I just suspected as much. Your personal proclivities are your own business, I just could not help but noticing that you were dropping so many hints that you are, with all those references to rectums. Again, that is nobody's business but your own. Don't let it bother you. Homosexually is the in thing now, and, it is good that you are coming out here. You will find jews are very accepting of homosexuality. You needn't be afraid.

Posted by: Lucky Bob at February 10, 2006 01:10 AM (4xug8)

165 Lucky Bob: Thanks, your preoccupation with homosexuality taking precedence over my comments are a real compliment. Attempted insults are most appreciated. Now, since it has been established that you hate Jews, Like Islamofacists and obviously have a severe problem with homosexuals, your kinda messed up in the head, aren't you. So tell doctor Ken, what have Jews done too you in the past to inspire such hate? Also what have you experienced at the hands of homosexuals to have such bitterness? Was it something to do with your inbreeding? Regarding the former, perhaps your inbreeding caused you to resent the success of Jews in business, after all; Hitler did. With regards to tyour preocupation with homosexuality, were you victimized by a homosexual, but secretly enjoyed the experience. Tell Doctor Ken, I'll be happy to attempt to help your neorological dysfunction. Oh, wait a minute, I was probaly wrong about you. you do suffer from your cranium up your rectum affliction, and you enjoy it. better watch out though, I'd hate to see you get some sort of chronic bowel disorder,then you would be crapping the same material that comes out of your mouth. Just ask Dr. Ken if you need any more advice, glad too help.

Posted by: Ken at February 10, 2006 01:25 AM (aOYCe)

166 Why then is Mecca still standing? Why is Medina allowed to exist? It's all so simple. Two bombs. Two craters. No Muzzies ... just right.

Posted by: Why then? at February 10, 2006 02:26 AM (1XOeP)

167 Ken, Please do not turn back. You are standing upon the threshold that all young jewish men must face one day. " Shall I keep up this facade of manhood, and, ultimately be forced to sleep with a woman, or, shall I seek the path of truth and enlightenment and reveal myself and my sexual orientation?" You should know that you have friends here at this site. Most of the posters are homosexual. When you come forth and take the hand of a loving poster like Crusader, aka Paul Wolfowitz, or Diversity, aka Karl Rove, they will lead you gently unto your new, openly homosexual life. You are not new to homosexuality, you have just hidden it. Now is the time to step out, to spread your wings little dove, and, soar. In some ways, I envy you. It is not easy for me to be a hetrosexual and, yet post on a jewish Moussad site. I am so alone. You, Ken, have a forum that will rejoice in your declariation of your sexual orientation. You will have your burden lifted and celebrated by 97% of the other posters here who are homosexual, like you. Unfurl your Rainbow Banner. Reach it high into the clouds and you sing out loud for all to hear. "My name is Ken, I am here and I am queer." Keep saying it, "My name is Ken, I am here and I am queer." Repeat it, Ken, until you feel that burden of keeping your sexual orientation hidden all these years, finally, released in one gigantic eurption of breast pounding joy. Crusader and Diversity have already gone through this. The are now a couple. They met here on this forum. They are very, very happy. You can be, too. It may take a little longer, because you have tried to deny your sexual self. When you wake up each morning, just go before the mirror and reafirm your idenity. "My name is Ken, I am here and I am queer." Fix yourself a latte. Go to the door of your flat.. grab on to the door knob, give it a big sissy girl twist.. and, confidently step out the door, saying... "My name is Ken, I am here and I am queer." There are many, many loving, joyous relationships awaiting you, Ken. Good luck.

Posted by: Lucky Bob at February 10, 2006 03:54 AM (4xug8)

168 Ken, Please do not turn back. You are standing upon the threshold that all young jewish men must face one day. " Shall I keep up this facade of manhood, and, ultimately be forced to sleep with a woman, or, shall I seek the path of truth and enlightenment and reveal myself and my sexual orientation?" You should know that you have friends here at this site. Most of the posters are homosexual. When you come forth and take the hand of a loving poster like Crusader, aka Paul Wolfowitz, or Diversity, aka Karl Rove, they will lead you gently unto your new, openly homosexual life. You are not new to homosexuality, you have just hidden it. Now is the time to step out, to spread your wings little dove, and, soar. In some ways, I envy you. It is not easy for me to be a hetrosexual and, yet post on a jewish Moussad site. I am so alone. You, Ken, have a forum that will rejoice in your declariation of your sexual orientation. You will have your burden lifted and celebrated by 97% of the other posters here who are homosexual, like you. Unfurl your Rainbow Banner. Reach it high into the clouds and you sing out loud for all to hear. "My name is Ken, I am here and I am queer." Keep saying it, "My name is Ken, I am here and I am queer." Repeat it, Ken, until you feel that burden of keeping your sexual orientation hidden all these years, finally, released in one gigantic eurption of breast pounding joy. Crusader and Diversity have already gone through this. The are now a couple. They met here on this forum. They are very, very happy. You can be, too. It may take a little longer, because you have tried to deny your sexual self. When you wake up each morning, just go before the mirror and reafirm your idenity. "My name is Ken, I am here and I am queer." Fix yourself a latte. Go to the door of your flat.. grab on to the door knob, give it a big sissy girl twist.. and, confidently step out the door, saying... "My name is Ken, I am here and I am queer."

Posted by: Lucky Bob at February 10, 2006 03:56 AM (4xug8)

169 Bob, people with an I.Q over 50 can identify you baiting Ken with attacks against his sexuality because you have no other argument nor defense for your simpleton perspective. How about you raise a banner of your own that says "I'm a knuckle dragging, goat felching, two-toof, jack jawed Queef" Although you probably don't need to advertise it, most people know by just coming in contact with you.

Posted by: dave at February 10, 2006 10:32 AM (CcXvt)

170 Lucky Bob has quite a fascination arses..........

Posted by: Diversity at February 10, 2006 11:13 AM (hHZ38)

171 It appears that no one here understood the Hitler/Franks cartoon so I'll explain it to you. It implies that Hitler was an agent of Zion and was helping the Jews get a foothold in the middle east. That is, Hitler was in bed with the Jews. Maybe they are right. Or, maybe it just meant...Ha ha, Hitler fucked the Jews over..Ha ha. At least that's how I see it. As for the world condition...it is obvious to me that Islam is going to win because faith always triumps over reason. Faith can justify any action whereas reasonable people just can't bring themselves to become mass murders...their logic and empathy always stops them.

Posted by: HeeHaw at February 10, 2006 03:21 PM (l9tIN)

172 Dave, Dave, I know that you have been gone a little while, talking to the FBI about your alleged spying for Israel while you worked in Doug Feith's office at the Pentagon. Don't be concerned, you may spend 10-20 years in prison, but, you will meet a very nice young man, Pollard, who will become your new friend. Do not worry about Doug Feith, he still loves you and he is planning to make a deal, with the FBI, to get a lighter sentence. Once that is worked out, he will join you. You two shall be reunited in congical bliss, and, when you and Doug are togeter, time will just fly by in prison. Now, to catch you up on things here. Paul Wolfowitz, aka Crusader and Karl Rove, aka Diversity, knew each other while working in the homo-infested Bush administration, however, they didn't hook up. Wolfowitz was in a committed relationship with Isadore Libby, Dick Cheney's "adviser" but, we all know what waws all going on with Dick and Scooter. Anyway, Wolfowitz found out about Scooter, scouting for dick, Dick Cheney that is, so, he left the Bush admin and became president of the World Bank. Karl Rove, has always been a rounder, if you knw what I mean, and, was never in a serious, committed man-man relationship. He began to post here, at this mossad site, and, that is when he met Wolfowitz, aka, Crusader, and their relationship has blossomed. Everyone here says that karl and Paul are very much in love and that it is the real thing this time for both of them. Cross your fingers and wish them luck. Now, Ken is just ab out to come out here on the site. His first steps have been wobbly, but, when he started talking about recturms, both Crusader and Diversity recognized the signs and they have both volunteered to usher Ken out of the closet and into this mossad community. Ken was hesitant, because he fears that when he reveals his orientation to everyone, that he will be shunned. Only 3% of us who post here at this site are heterosexual, and, the remaining 97% are homosexual, so, Ken has nothing to fear in coming out. Paul and Karl, are planning to ask Ken to accompany them to a glory hole. Dick Cheney and the president have agreed to be in the hole, as has Rumsfeld, as have Senators Specter, Biden and Liberman. They could use another man, would you be up for it? Of curse, Ken would not be able to tell which one you are, except by size, but, don't worry, as they say, size doesn't matter. Don't worry about the genital warts, Ken will be blindfolded. Dave, I know that you are a little worried,, it will be your first time in prison. But, spying for Israel is just a symbolic punishment, everyone is doing it, and, you will not have a hard time. Those people who had said that they walked in on the president and DouG Feith are just trying to hurt you. Everyone knows that the president is happy in his loveless marraige to laura. Don't worry about it at all. You and doug will be soon reunited. Okay, it's agreed. Diversity and Crusader will contact you and give you the details on when you will be needed in the glory hole. Everyone will have a great time, and, you will make Ken's mossad case officer happy too. He has been trying to break it off in Ken, I mean, break it off with Ken. This will be a great way to let Ken down easily, bring him out of the closet and allow him to soar. Please don't say anything about Scooter Libby in front of Paul Wolfowitz, aka, Crusader. Crusader is still sensivitve about that. Cross your fingers and make a big fairy wish that they have happy, happy, sugar kiss times ahead.

Posted by: Lucky Bob at February 10, 2006 03:57 PM (1j7zP)

173 I'd like to give the world a coke and live in harmonyyyy!!!!! libertarians are annoying, republicans are stupid, liberals are smart (yet unfocused), centrists are morons, and what was the last one? facist? socialist? communist? federalist? whig? monarchist? anarchist? anti-federalist? constitutionist (theyre pretty dumb seeing how they are pledging allegiance to a document that the original drafters weren't even crazy for but they needed to seeing how they were pressed for time... 3persons to 5 slaves? pshh howd that work?) Green? (go plant a tree) BULLMOOSE!!!

Posted by: Mike at February 10, 2006 05:28 PM (lfpEc)

174 Dave, Actually I'm very heterosexual, but I just let bobby rave on for the whole WWW too see. I'll address him next.

Posted by: Ken at February 10, 2006 08:37 PM (aOYCe)

175 Well Lucky bob: Aren't you the intelligent one, you make it real easy for me to show you for what you are. A Neo Nazi anti-Jew, with a preocupation with homosexuality, of course I realize you venture on that tack because you have no argument to your bigotry. But why do many Facists rave on about homosexuals as their choice of a diversion topic. Is it because you require that sexual orientation, as a pre-requisite to joining your Aryan brotherhood, perhaps a homosexual ritual is used in your Neo Nazi male bonding sessions. Do your snazzy uniforms have anything to do with the hang up? You know, a kind of homosexual sadomachistic kicking with the jackboots while engaging in mutual foreplay. Please let me know, I'm sure we could come up with a good cartoon of the ritual. Lastly, Dr, Ken advises you return to the clinic and have your Lobotomy finished, you never know, it may improve your intelectual reasoning. For right now, I'm sure that you couldn't get any worse than you are. Sieg Heil, This is too easy!

Posted by: Ken at February 10, 2006 08:49 PM (aOYCe)

176 These people are starting to piss me off. i have been tolerant and understanding, and this silliness over a cartoon is the last straw. They are like children fighting over a new toy, how stupid are they acting. people are killed in the name of allah, there are no protests that the name of thier god is used for evil and to kill innocents, many of which are thier OWN people. I used to give a shit, well no more. religion is dangerous and antiquated and its time to clean house.

Posted by: hodgie at February 11, 2006 06:28 PM (JhlRX)

177 You Sick Towel Heads! No God Wants To Have Anything To Do With You! You Will All Burn In Hell! You Are The Scurge Of The Earth And Shall Be Wiped Out!!! Yes You Filthy People! God Has Spit On You! He Hates You With A Passion! You Are A Sick People... Good Bye You Idiots! May The USA Destroy You ALL!

Posted by: GOD at February 12, 2006 09:04 AM (Os+cb)

178 LETS GET SOME FACTS HERE. THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT 96 PERCENT OF TERRORIST ATTACKS IN JUST THE LAST FIVE YEARS HAVE BEEN BY MUSLIMS. YOU DONT SEE BAPTIST CHRISTIANS BLOWING UP PLANES. YOU DONT SEE MORMONS DOING THIS . YOU DONT SEE OTHER RELIGIONS DOING THIS .HOW MWNY TIMES DO YOU LOOK AT THE NEWS AND SEE NOTHING BUT MUSLIM CRAZIES. I DONT SEE PEOPLE FROM JERRY FALWELLS CHRUCH BOMBING SUBWAYS. THE ONLY REASON THE USA RESPONDS IS BECAUSE OF MUSLIMS. AMERICA GIVES MORE HUMANITARY AIDE TOTHE WORLD THAN ANYBODY. FOR ALL YOU MUSLIMS WHO THINK AMERICA IS SO EVEIL WHEN WILL YOU FEED THE WORLDS CHILDREN WHEN IRAN FEEDS THE WORLDS CHILDREN THEN THEY CAN COMPLAIN UNTIL ALL THESE HALF ASS COUNTRIES FEED THE WORLDS CHILDREN SHUT THE FUCK UP AND SHOVE YOUR KORAN UP YOUR ASS

Posted by: RONALD BALDUS at February 13, 2006 02:02 AM (0VLpP)

179 A NEW CARTOON........ Picture this.....a cave somewhere in Iraq or Iran...they are all the same.....a young Muslim Warrior, out of breath speaks to an older wiser Muslim sitting with his hookah.....' Abu,Abu, we have accomplished your glorious orders , we have kidnapped the christen nurse from thee clinic, she was treating , the village , but we have done Gods work, praise be to Allah ' Abu takes a long puff of the hookah, and says ' well done warriors, you are brave, Allah, praise him above all others, has guided you' , the young soldiers of Allah are all smiles now , ' Abu, now what shall we do with her ? she is crying in the other room ' Abu rises , letting out a cloud of smoke . 'The captured Infidel has no rights, she could be yours for a slave, but you require no slaves , I have a plan, it came from Allah, praise be to him, We will have to set up some cameras, put on our finest black robes and face masks, go into the Mosque room, and we will do Gods work there'. The young soldiers are so excited now, they rarely get to wear their balck robes . As the cameras start rolling, and the lights and sound get adjusted, Abu emerges from behind the Arab Warriors Flag. ' Allah Akbar, everyone now, shout Allah Akars with me, ' He pulls out a large sword, with the Muslim Moon and Star on the handle, he is breathing heavy with excitment 'Allah Akbar, Allah Akbar, 'intermingled with the shouts, the sound of sawing thru bone and muscle is heard and finally Abu holds the up the head of the infidel occupier nurse . The cameras are turned off now, and the Mighty Leader and his honorable warriors change their clothes, and meet in the Hookah room. ' Abu,Abu, what shall we do next ' ? Abu , without hesitation says ' I have been put here to clense the occupiers from this Holy Land, may Allah help me , I have a vision. We will need three suicide bombers, use the Idiot brainwashed Syrians that came over yesterday . We will attack a Hospital , a School , the new one the occupiers just built , and a Shia Mosque , we will teach those occupiers who's who in the land of Islam.'

Posted by: Diversity at February 13, 2006 11:24 AM (hHZ38)

180 I'm going to make a whole Comis book........its called....Strange but how true........

Posted by: Diversity at February 13, 2006 11:27 AM (hHZ38)

181 This debate is supposed to be about the Danish cartoons about Mo - HAM - Mud. The first entries were to the point: then we arrived at purile language and infantile ego chin-wags. How sad! Does this make you all better than the thugs we are talking about? The reason I got on to this site was because I really wanted to debate the very frightening, to me anyway, Islamic threat to the Western world. The fact that Muslim childen (female)are circumsised so that they will be, 'marriageable,' yet are stoned to death when they are raped tells me that Muslim men cannot control themsevles so why are we suprised when something far more serious, as far as they are concerned, a cartoon actually depicting their belief system is published in a newspaper? The fact that in Saudi Arabia women are not allowed to drive a car and have to travel in the back of the car is humiliating: so why not saterise that? It would certainly upset the nothing men (sic) who have to be better than someone! It is easy for me to see that Muslim men are afraid of women: any woman: and have to keep them down at any price. The Western World has to do something about this but reading through this, 'supposed,' debate you would prefer to insult each other. Men being ego seeking numbskulls is the thought that comes to mind. I do not care who is a homosexual. I do not care who is a communist. I do not care about ego's. I do care about what is happening to the Western World at the hands of those who idolise Mo - Ham - Mud. So can we get back to the point? Seriously frightened of what is to come!

Posted by: Thaxton1 at February 14, 2006 05:46 AM (N9IiB)

182 It is frightening, and thats what they(theIslamists want) so they have succeeded. The Western world is scared, we have to watch what we say, what we publish, how we act. Thats not freedom in any form . The Muslim world says we live by a double standard . In reality it is they who live by the double standard, and the beleif they are supeior to all others . We do have big ego's in the West , but we do not threaten or create violence because of it . Our society is so open for the world to see , it has not been perfect , and we admit that . We have made mistakes and blunders for years going back hundreds of years probaly . We have apoligized for some of them , learned from some of them , and have chaged , adjusted our ways . But the Muslim world does not want to come out of the dark ages . It is not us who should be afraid , it is them . Its so hard to comprehend that a human would strap a bomb to his body , a mother would encourage her child to kill , that people would fly a jetliner into a building , over what ? Whats the purpose ? Because they are medieval , becuase they don't agree with our laws and religion ? Its insane , and we have to end it , you can't just reason with humans who beleive death is better than life , there is no disscussion that will change their thought process . It is their bearded imams , and certain leaders who promote this hatred and they need to get off that train , or die . Its basically that simple .

Posted by: Diversity at February 14, 2006 10:20 AM (hHZ38)

183 Good response: but I didn't mean Western ego's as such! I meant some of the responders on this web site, sorry. I understand they are not afraid to die and that is what frightens me because this means that in the end we will have to sort the problem out. This can only mean more death. I am sick and fed up with having our government pussy footing around the hatred being spewed out on a daily basis by people who do not want us to live our lives as we choose to live them simply because they have large numbers of muslims in their constituencies and are afraid they will not have their votes. Thing is, what can we do about it? Seems to me that we will have to wait until those of us who sit by and allow all this to happen get fed up to the teath and resort to violence ourselves. Coming from me, a mild mannered woman, that sounds like a war cry. I've just about had enough of treating these cave people with kid gloves. It's almost as if they are being regarded as, 'naughty children,'and I almost expect Tony bLIAR to keep them in after school. They, muslims, however fanatical they become, do not frighten me. It is what WE WILL HAVE TO DO TO STOP THEM which causes me fear. I reckon that by 2008 we will be in an all out war with muslim states. I mean real war. That means our deaths and that's very sad.

Posted by: Thaxton1 at February 14, 2006 11:05 AM (N9IiB)

184 I beleive that there are moderate Muslims out there . You don't here from them at all or often because they will die from their own people just for speaking up . If the US wasn't so dependant on oil , we could pressure the Arab goverments to do more about it , but now they have the oil weapon to hold over our heads . Our military could probaly do more right now , but the other countries of world would cry foul , we could become an Isolationist country , but I'm not sure what that would accomplish . I wish my country (the US ) would be more Nationalistic , that we would beleive in our people first , our products , our services towards each other , rather than the poor , mis-managed , brainwashed world out there , but its too late for that . We are a melting pot of different peoples who don't even know what the hell's going on , and don't care . I hope its not too late for us , I hope we can win this war on terror , and evil people . They are insanely brainwashed and beleive in death more than life , what a shame .

Posted by: Diversity at February 14, 2006 11:52 AM (hHZ38)

185 FUCK ISRAEL! THEY DESERVE WHAT THEY GET!!

Posted by: Frank at February 14, 2006 12:37 PM (foICS)

186 Frank, you are a sick individual. I imagine you are covered with, 'boobo's,' (I reckon you will have to look that up in a dictionary) A dictionary is a large tome filled with words and in alphabetical order...A is a, B is b, C is c, get it? It gies definitions of words, such as: snake = a cold blooded reptile, can be poisionous, cannot see and seeks it's prey by sound. They are unpleasant to touch and hide in the rough and under rocks. Understand? When you do: if your intelect will allow that much information to barge it's way in to your obviously deranged mind (don't think you have a brain) then feel free to bust. The puss that oozes from your rotting flesh will be a relief to us all and we will be rid of at least one pathetic low life! Now go and have safe sex and travel.

Posted by: Thaxton1 at February 14, 2006 04:31 PM (N9IiB)

187 FUCK FRANK! HE WILL GET WHAT HE DESERVES! He Will Have His Head Shoved Up His Camels Ass! And Be Joined By The Rest Of His Camel Rapeing, Gay Loveing, Take The Rag Off Thier Head And Gag Them With It, Idiots Who Look Just As Stupid As They Are! Muslim Faggots! I Just Love The Pictures Of The Soldiers Degradding Them Idiots! The American Soldiers Who Draged Them Around Nakid on Leashes Should All Be Awarded The Highest Medal The Army Has! I cant Think Of One Single Thing On The Face Of The Earth That Is As Dirty Or As Low As A Filthy Towel Head! Wait.. Dog Shit... Nope! Not Even Close! Get On Your Knees Ass-Wipe... Open Your Mouth... We Are Gonna Stick It In!!! Dont Forget To Swallow! Of Course You Wont!! You Are So Good At It!!! Mohammed? Is that some Faggot Name for Arab? Picture this! I am Drawing a Cartoon.... Mohammed Bent Over... And The Whole Western World Givin It To Him!!!! But Then Again.. He Would Like That Too Much!!! Well .. I Guess It Would Be Best Just To Shoot The Idiot!!! I Would Pay The 50 Cents For The Bullet!

Posted by: God at February 16, 2006 01:29 AM (Os+cb)

188

you cant talk about him being a murdering son of a bitch man. not when yer surrounded by muslims. yer one stupid jew lover. im all for the holocaust. i only wish they had done it properly. but you stand out as one stupid cocksucker with a deathwish. yer brave

Posted by: usmanahmed at February 19, 2006 08:07 PM (fbQ0F)

189 why dont America and Isreal and England get together and wipe the durt smelley sand niggers off the planet. fuck islam kill them all why dont us redneck white boys get togehter and shoot muslims for target pratice FUCK YOU SAND NIGGERS.

Posted by: RONALD BALDUS at February 19, 2006 08:55 PM (rzoZb)

190 HEY SUCK MY DEAD DOGS DICK YOU PILE OF MUSLIM DOG SHIT EXCUSE ME WHY I GO PISS ON MY KORAN AND BURN IT.

Posted by: RONALD BALDUS at February 19, 2006 09:50 PM (HF96T)

191 Hey usmanahmed: Good too hear you're all for the holocaust, you would make an excellent cartoon. Let's see: You are pictured with your Jew-hating cap on, while licking Mohammud's butt. Mohammud farts in your face and you consider that a Muslim breath of fresh air. To show your appreciation you set alight Mohammud's fart, infortunately it's a blanket ripper and the massive blue flame set fire to the Koran, you piss on the Holy book in order to quench the flames, hence the Islamic greeting: Piss be upon you.

Posted by: Ken at February 20, 2006 06:31 AM (CYeOT)

192 let us take a look at the peaceful lovin muslims.Today I saw in Iran they are calling muslims to fill out applications to do sucide bombings. i was watching the BBC and they were saying 40 percent of muslims in Englandwant England to become and islamic state. they want to live under islamic law. 60 pecent of muslims in Belguim want aribic tobecome the offical langange. 6o percent want Belguim to become and islamic state. Anybody who thinks islam is a peaceful religon is a complete moron.Look at what they have done for the last 75 years. teorrorism over and over again.Bottom line is they want to wipe out Israel and kill all jews. they want the world to bow its knee to islam.ISlam is the greatest threat to israel to the USA to europe andto the world. This is the greatest threat to freedom. Wake up world muslims are NOT our freinds.

Posted by: RONALD BALDUS at February 20, 2006 10:13 PM (6hJRt)

193 ISLAM = TERRORISM! THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE, AND BTW, ALLAH IS A CAMEL-FUCKING, GOAT-FUCKING, SHEEP-FUCKING, DONKEY-FUCKING, COW-FUCKING, LLAMA-FUCKING, SUB HUMAN THIRD WORLD PIECE OF SHIT! AMERICA AKBAR!!!!!!!!!! OH YEAH, AND BTW, FUCK ISLAM!

Posted by: FUCK ISLAM! at March 01, 2006 08:32 PM (J/DKH)

194 it seems that white people or mostly white people do not have ANY SORT of respect for their religion, the only religion they have is CNN, HBO, Beer and Playboy TV and lets not forget ABC and basically anything and everything owned by JOOO zionists. and whoever thinks Islam is terrorist religion, just do some research before you open ur filthy and dirty mouth its your cheap redneck ass that brings about corruption and hate in the world. We all shall wait for the day when their will be only one religion true Islam, no fake holocaust ass Anne franks, no christians by the way it will be Jesus himself to punish all the christians for their deeds and any other religion besides Islam will parish. And the good thing is the time is getting closer and closer .. so God bless you all -

Posted by: Lee at March 07, 2006 09:10 PM (XKYw4)

195 The Zionists follow this ancient Hebrew Law "Through deception thou shallt conduct war" and clearly they have deceived the West & the Europeans but they haven't succeeded in deceiving the Arabs. If the Europeans are really so tolerant, why did they persecute Jews & Muslims for hundreds of years, why did they colonize the world, why did they crusade agains the Arabs? And to those idiots who are talking bad about Islam, at least our religion isn't named after some man like Christianity & Judaism is. Islam means submission to the creator and that's what every prophet has done. This is why most of these prophets were murdered by their people. Who killed Jesus (supposedly)? John the Baptist? And by the way, FUCK the psuedo apostle Paul that damn liar.

Posted by: Antimatter at March 23, 2006 02:57 PM (5iSgH)

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February 04, 2006

Is This The Face Of Islam?

Jordanian editors arrested over Danish cartoon

From BBC News:

Two Jordanian newspaper editors who published cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad have been arrested.
Jihad Momani and Hisham Khalidi are accused of insulting religion under Jordan's press and publications law.

Here's what Momani wrote to accompany the cartoon:

"Muslims of the world be reasonable.
What brings more prejudice against Islam, these caricatures or pictures of a hostage-taker slashing the throat of his victim in front of the cameras or a suicide bomber who blows himself up during a wedding ceremony in Amman?"

Or a so-called moderate Islamic government that arrests editors for printing cartoons.

Also posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto and Vince Aut Morire.

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1 So much for the moderate Muslims. They will be put in jail if the speak up, so there will be no more moderates who will dare speak the truth to these monsters.

Posted by: jesusland joe at February 05, 2006 12:01 AM (rUyw4)

2 Who the hell else's face do you think it is? Militant Amishism?

Posted by: Vinnie at February 05, 2006 12:44 AM (f289O)

3 Another reason I was so mad Fri when the flip flopper I voted for in 04 came out in support of terrorists and condemed the Danes. Why has Bush lost his guts? Or has he lost his brains? I thought the flip flopper was JFK. There is no freedom or safety in any Muslim land! After Bush supported them they burned 2 more embassies just to show how self defeating apeasement is! It has always been self defeating. Someone should give the White House a 30 lesson on "Peace in Our Times!".

Posted by: Rod Stanton at February 05, 2006 06:02 AM (lwdxR)

4 I was disappointed myself. I was disappointed that such a statement would be made following their complete silence over the cartoons in our own papers and the tax payer funded "art" we've seen in recent years. I would have felt only marginally better had the State Department also condemned the behavior displayed by those making threats. But no mention was made in that respect. They made it sound like our free speech is more valid than theirs. When someone is killed over this, many will blame the cartoonists and not the killers. And the state department has inadvertantly propped them up by trying to "score points".

Posted by: Oyster at February 05, 2006 08:27 AM (YudAC)

5 Maybe it's time for some brave young warriors: Every time one of our soldiers dies, or indeed, any one in the world is butchered in the name of islam, a Koran is publically burned and an effigy of Mohammad is burned.

Posted by: moderationist at February 05, 2006 08:34 AM (Ffvoi)

6 The U.S Government reaction to this should be unwavering and staunch, we should withdraw our diplomats from Jordan, and any other U.S asset in the area, cut off aid (if any) and make Jordan aware that we will not stand by and watch them execute 'apostates' and suppress freedom of speech, or press if we're serious about spreeding democracy in the middle-east. I am no fan of the Democrats but this administration has shown time and time again, it will turn a blind eye to some countries in order to get the results it wants ie: North Korea: brutal oppressive regime, China same, but sells us cheap goods. Iran radical fanatics in power, dangerous. Saudi Arabia, same but sells us oil. The problem in turning a blind eye, is eventually they'll poke the other one out too, as most of these countries rely on our money as much as we rely on their products we should hit them in the pocket. Unfortunately the American people have no stomach for paying extra for products, in order to punish some of these regimes financially.

Posted by: dave at February 05, 2006 10:55 AM (CcXvt)

7 Bush knows the truth, but he can't speak it, because he's trying to keep the lid on this powderkeg, although I wish he would exhibit a little more moral courage and call a spade a spade.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 05, 2006 11:14 AM (qdaUU)

8 I welcome the Cartoon War for this reason: moderate Muslims are now on notice that their entire religion is being blamed. The so-called moderates have been silent for too long, and when they do speak, it's about the "suffering" of Muslims being "persecuted" for "the crimes of a few". We saw how "few" when the Palestinians elected a recognized terrorist organization to serve as their government.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at February 05, 2006 12:05 PM (RHG+K)

9 There is the possibility that the arrests in Jordan may be more protective in nature - along with cooling of elements of society that the islamists they to sway. A court proceeding takes time and sometimes allows for a sensible debate to develop over the issue at hand. I'll give the Jordanian govt the benefit of a doubt on this one - they tend to be the odd man out in the mideast looking to walk a fine line.

Posted by: hondo at February 05, 2006 01:07 PM (3aakz)

10 The dems and the leftist propaganda machine known as the MSM have really made this whole situation much worse than it needs to be. The basic problem, is that whatever this administration decides to do, it will be denounced and demonized and repeatedly broadcast world wide how it was the wrong thing to do. Whatever the decision may be. It would make no difference. You see, the dems in step with the useful idiots of MSM have sold their souls and freedoms for the lust of power. They have lost all common sense and logical reason for their short term satisfaction obsessed with the hatred of GWB. Think about this. Don't you think the radical rioting muslim's and the Kos 'kids' have frighteningly similar characteristics? Doesn't it make you think twice when Osama bin laden's and the DNC's talking points are one and the same? We must never take our freedoms for granted, ever!

Posted by: Mark at February 05, 2006 01:22 PM (mnv9n)

11 Maxie Bush's position is no different than mine - the cartoons are disrespectful and insulting - personally I wouldn't do this myself - its bad manners. But having said that ..... Its legal and in keeping with the ideals of free speech. And its pretty common in the West directed at many un-named groups and individuals. Nothing more need be said - just sit back and watch the "reaction" if the islamists - a picture is worth a thousand words - now isn't it? The cartoons are no longer the issue - the islamists and their behavior is - and that's important in public relations, public opinion, and public policy.

Posted by: hondo at February 05, 2006 01:51 PM (3aakz)

12 First, while the free press has to have the right to be free to print what they want, if it is slanderous, there are legal channels to pursue. Second, Muslims have a right to be offended, but not to threaten death and destruction. Period. With that out of the way, let's look at who is at fault for this mass hysteria. Not the Danish. These cartoons came out late September last year. Influential Muslims from Denmark then quietly went, armed with the pictures that were printed AND a few extras they tucked in there themselves, throughout the Middle East building a case with Islamic governments. For four months, barely a ripple in the pond. Then WHAMMO! The Middle East and South East Asian governments released the flood of horrors of what were essentially cartoon images and deliberately provoked the outrage you see today. This was carefully crafted and executed (excuse the pun) by evil people. Now, who's guilty of causing this insanity? And I ask all Muslims rampaging right now - who are the puppets? And regarding the State Department's "quote". Get over to rightwingnuthouse to find out what they really said. I should have known better. Shame on me.

Posted by: Oyster at February 05, 2006 02:03 PM (YudAC)

13 Oyster has smoked out the real culprits in this whole mess, and they are the Islamists who have fabricated cartoons and lied all over the ME in an effort to provoke violence. But I think they tipped their hand too soon, and many more people will realize that they are the gravest threat to mankind since the Flood.

Posted by: jesusland joe at February 05, 2006 02:22 PM (rUyw4)

14 Woah...it has nothing to do with Muslims...Noone of any religion gets to tell the superior and civilized World what cartoons they get to see. We wrote freedom of speech into our law, we tolerate worse things depicted on much more decent things given our conviction to OUR constitution. These insignificant punks are completely out of control...We set the rules and you get to live if you follow...enough Mr. Niceguy USA for me! Wahhhh...Wahhhh...Wahhh...crybaby pukes. Keep pushing your masters...We say jump, you say how high...or you can join your boy Zirawwhatever who cares how to spell your insignigicant name...just nany nany boo boo, while we party at your old digs...I would render the cartoon to a tatoo if I wasn't sure the incompetent goobers would strap a bomb to their chest, miss me and blow up little children.

Posted by: Bob at February 05, 2006 03:02 PM (EKMxC)

15 I've been thinking about this a lot JJ. And Jay Tea at Wizbang is on the same track. This is a great way to get the focus off Iran and Syria and galvanize the Muslims. This is a fine example of wagging the dog. Do you think that it would have taken them four months to decide whether or not they're angry over these cartoons? Hell no.

Posted by: Oyster at February 05, 2006 03:19 PM (YudAC)

16 I can't believe these religeous zelots are so concerned with cartoons...if they truly care for Muslims, they need to worry about the effect Iran could possibly have on them. So far every time we go in and EASILY knock one of these countries down in a few days, would be minutes if we were truly commited to war, we hang out and wipe their little bloody noses and change their little diapers. If Iran and Hamas spread us out...we will have no option but to just crush them all like bugs...and there ain't a dang thing they can do about it but cry like little babies with dirty diapers after the fact...if you want to burn something...try Iran's consulate for your own good!

Posted by: Bob at February 05, 2006 03:37 PM (EKMxC)

17 Oyster Your dead on! This is all being played and staged by fanatical islamists, and in the works for several months. I'll go out on the limb here - I actually think they want to provoke a backlash so they can play out their aspirations - not on the streets of Europe (media events) - but back home - possibly against their own governments which they tend to see an illegitimate.

Posted by: hondo at February 05, 2006 11:14 PM (3aakz)

18 Regardless of all the fine and valid points made, this is all just pointless talk, because we all know wherein the real problem lies, and whether many of us are willing to admit it or not, we also know the only viable solution to that problem is to expel these uncivilized animals from among us, and crush any of their nations that threates us or supports action against us. It's time to get medieval on their asses and show them some real pain.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 06, 2006 01:54 PM (0yYS2)

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Muhammad Cartoon Rage Via Email (Updated)

Although we have an email privacy policy (at Hyscience - where originally posted) that assures readers that their emails are never published, we have a long-standing tradition that the policy DOES NOT APPLY TO DEATH THREATS. The majority of death threats that we get are to us personally, and some of those have been posted in the past.

However, today we received an email from Belani Bulasin in Turkey, that applies to all of us "blasphemous Westerners." His English is better than what we've seen from most jihadist emails in the past, so one would assume that he is bright and educated.

While he's certainly entitled to his opinion of whether or not the images of Muhammad should or should not have been posted, making death threats to individuals or a civilization, or to any persons of any group of any size in between, is inappropriate and unacceptable behavior in today's world.

This applies to everyone, even those who by choice or happenstance live in a stoneage culture, and follow a violent and intolerant religion that worships someone they view as a prophet, but who is viewed by much of the world as the wellspring of terrorism.

Since Belani's message applies to the entire Western civilization, and is indicative of the intolerant, violent, hateful, and murderous religion that he follows, radical Islam, a belief that follows jihad and seeks world domination, and submission to Islam by non-radical Muslims and non-Muslims alike, we feel it very appropriate to post his email here:

Hyscience Message from Belani Bulasin

karasahan@e-kolay.net to admin
Feb 3 (12 hours ago)
From: Belani Bulasin (85.99.40.104)
Email: karasahan@e-kolay.net
I'd like to let you know a Turkish saying reads as "a dog which was destined to be dead soon, urinates on a wall of a mosque! You blasphemous Westerners all are very like that dog in the saying!
Belani Bulasin
Istanbul/TURKEY

Readers are encouraged to voice their opinion on this matter, and to offer Belani their input and advice as to what they think about his threat, what therapy he and his fellow followers of the wellspring of world wide Islamic terrorism and Islamofascism might consider, and what you think of people that have a sand dune, stoneage, intolerant, mindset such as his.

Readers are also encouraged to be very polite. Remember, Belani needs therapy, not more abuse. He was probably abused as a child, or perhaps that dog at the mosque just happens to have "special meaning" for him. We want to let him know that we consider him our friend, albeit a bit misguided.

Update: I missed this one earlier, this one from an annonymous sender:

Anonymous Sender to admin Feb 3
I had a dream last night after looking at your blog.
Severe tragedy will kill or crush you this year.
I think it will be your son killed in Iraq.
Or maybe something worst.
You will be amazed at my prediction.
This i promise you.
Keep up your attacks on muslims.

Nice man!

Originally posted at Hyscience

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1 Are these the same Turks that want to join the EU? What a huge mistake that would be.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 04, 2006 08:46 AM (8e/V4)

2 Muslims are living proof that Mohammed engaged in anal sex with dogs and was he definatly wasn't the pitcher in the relationship.

Posted by: Andre at February 04, 2006 08:59 AM (bQ3vG)

3 To belani belushin: Western blasphemer saying goes "move your mosques so when good dogs urinate filth won't splatter back on them"

Posted by: Dadzilla at February 04, 2006 09:20 AM (f7f9/)

4 What a great way to put a target on yourself! Add one to the no-fly list.....

Posted by: Fred Fry at February 04, 2006 10:04 AM (HJnrm)

5 And he is very much like the urine. Hot, smelly, and unwanted by the body.

Posted by: Ariya at February 04, 2006 10:34 AM (uxW3N)

6 I knew that many Muslims engaged in a lot of hypocrisy and double standards, but this is just stupendous. Calling Imams preaching hate and calling for the destruction of entire countries "respected Islamic scholars" and cartoonists "blasphemers who should be beheaded" is really, really stupid. The only voice of reason coming out of the Muslim world I've heard on this comes from a Canadian Mulsim. He condemned the cartoons, which is his right, but balanced it with a condemnation of the violence: "The protests in the Middle East have proven that the cartoonist was right," said Tarek Fatah, a director of the Muslim Canadian Congress. "It's falling straight into that trap of being depicted as a violent people and proving the point that, yes, we are."

Posted by: Oyster at February 04, 2006 10:35 AM (YudAC)

7 The muslims have been exposed. Mission accomplished. And for this I am thankful to those cartoonists and the European newspapapers that printed in solidarity with them. But let us not now "expose" ourselves by continuing to fan the flames for the mere glee of it. It will only backfire on us and make us look the bad guys. Enough. Stop it.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 04, 2006 10:47 AM (8e/V4)

8 Here was my response to the first comment that I sent to the email address you provided. I read your threatening message about dog Â“urinating on the side of a mosqueÂ” at Hyscience. IÂ’m sure you find that these images of Mohammed are offensive. No one likes to see their religion denigrated. I certainly do not like seeing Christ being pissed on in Â“artÂ” (as has happened here in the U.S.). I can certainly understand protesting it (though it may be unwise as it draws attention to the blasphemy that might otherwise go unnoticed) or boycotting the persons who produced it. But, to threaten to kill the persons who produce it and to threaten to kill all of their countrymen and all Europeans and all of the West Â– is plainly evil. It is also pathetic. People who overreact to every perceived offence are not people who are confident of their position. They are people who are afraid the images will resonate because there is some truth to them. In the West we do not bluster. We do not because a person who blusters and does not follow though is a person who will be ignored thereafter. In the Mideast (and apparently Turkey Â– despite its desires to join the West) this logical rule of society does not seem to apply. Al Qaida threatens imminent attack on the U.S. for years and does to produce Â– and yet you still put faith (an hope) in their pronouncements. Baghdad Bob says the Americans have not entered Baghdad and despite the American tanks in the background Arabs keep believing him until they see SaddamÂ’s statue fall. Your threats are bluster. You and your people are no more capable of killing all of the persons posting the images of Mohammed than I am of causing and eclipse of the sun at my command. On the other hand - the West (heck, the U.S. alone if you provoke us enough) is capable of almost effortlessly doing anything we want to you middle easterners any time we want and there is nothing you can do to stop it (except perhaps beg). So understand your enemy well enough to at least create some credibility by stopping the hollow threats.

Posted by: Cruiser at February 04, 2006 11:10 AM (XLwcY)

9 I wrote: Dear sir, when you make death threats you only confirm what we in the West believe about you people. You are dangerous religious fanatics. In the West, we have something called free speech. That means we can say anything we want. It also means other people are also free to be offended. Being offended is your right, and speaking out in a civilized manner about it is also your right. But making death threats is not speaking out in a civilized manner. It is uncivilized and barbaric. But you people (the muslims) have already proven youselves to be primitive and barbaric on numerous occassions, so your death threats come as no surprise. cheers Jihadi responded as follows: You civilized? What kind of civilization is this? Is it a Western civilization of new imperialism, military invasion, barbaric bombing upon civilians, torture, etc.? Or a civilization of environmental pollution and nuclear disaster? Or a Western civilization of consumption and obesity while starvation imposed upon the Third World nations by IMF and World Bank policies? Or the Western civilization of pornography, sex tourism, sex slaves, etc.? A Western civilization of masturbation? Or the Western civilization of blasphemy and indecency? Islam is the only serious and complete religion in the world today in that it has, as Samuel Huntington argued in a Foreign Affairs issue in early '90s, alternatives cultural, social, economic to Western capitalism and corruption. It is certainly open to criticism but not to insulting. PS: You'd better comment the "death threat" in the saying about the dog so as to mean awakening by blasphemy of some Muslim fools who thought there was a Western civilization! Actually I must be thankful to you for assisting such naive people to be aware of the facts about so-called Western civilization!

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 04, 2006 11:19 AM (8e/V4)

10 Today's Belani Belushin is yesterday's Sadegh Ghotbzadeh.

Posted by: Charles at February 04, 2006 11:21 AM (kiLAW)

11 So basically, this man has problems with our civilization, but not one that thinks killing over a comic is okay? Is that it? Cause that's what I walked away with.

Posted by: Oyster at February 04, 2006 01:24 PM (YudAC)

12 I'm sitting here taking a break from my cartridge reloading and reading this, thinking that when i'm done I would dearly love to have a few dozen diaperhead Islamic jihadist fanatics in my gunsights tomorrow when I go shooting, just to practice on. Bring it on Ali Baba and bring your seven thieves with you.

Posted by: piinthesky at February 04, 2006 01:54 PM (BJYNn)

13 Yeah, Muslim fundamentalists have a lot in common with the American Family Association and other Christian fundamentalist organizations here. They're dogma/orthodoxy suppresses free speech and demands submission to authority.

Posted by: Nihilbilly at February 04, 2006 01:58 PM (W9H47)

14 Is it a Western civilization of new imperialism, military invasion, barbaric bombing upon civilians, torture, etc.? Or a civilization of environmental pollution and nuclear disaster? No, that would be Muslim "civilization".

Posted by: Robert Crawford at February 04, 2006 02:01 PM (Gn9tM)

15 Nice try, Nihilbilly. Christian fundies don't demand anymore submission than you Lefties do with your "hate speech" codes and political correctness. In fact, less.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 04, 2006 02:13 PM (8e/V4)

16 Here's a url to a somewhat interesting conversation on this subject. http://www.vendio.com/mesg/read.html?num=28&thread=286982 or try this one; http://www.otwa.com/community/showthread.php?t=37950

Posted by: piinthesky at February 04, 2006 02:51 PM (BJYNn)

17 "A western civilization of masturbation" Now i'm offended!!

Posted by: Dave K at February 04, 2006 03:24 PM (YaR8u)

18 Actually, I'm not that crazy about hate speech or hate crimes laws. It seems to come to close to 'thought crimes'. And I say screw political correctness, if I have an opinion I am going to let it fly. I do believe they were meant to counteract juries who would acquit based on their own bigotry and racism as so often happened in the past. I'm not sure how well it works or if the ends justify the means. Who said I was a "lefty". You must not know much about Christian fundamentalism, I grew up with it as a Southern Baptist. Do you not see parallels between the two? I'll admit we don't have a theocracy in the US as many Muslim countries do but there are similiarities in their mindset. It's called "straight thinking" also known as orthodoxy. People are told what to believe and to not ask questions, it's been going on for centuries. I don't think it's unreasonable to have a problem with that if you cherish freedom of thought and religion. I also have a problem with hypocrisy.. giant mega-churches and preacher's salaries, limos....how does any of that fit in with Jesus' teachings on the love of money?

Posted by: Nihilbilly at February 04, 2006 04:44 PM (W9H47)

19 Nilbilly, difference is Lefties seek government censorship, while christian fundies use pressure groups. Given I believe in the marketplace of ideas, the latter seems entirely valid to me.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 04, 2006 05:10 PM (paKD6)

20 Thanks for that Carlos. You were nicer than I would have been.

Posted by: Oyster at February 04, 2006 06:23 PM (YudAC)

21 piinthesky, I think we're on the same wavelength! Nihilbilly, let me know when Christians in America start burning buildings, issuing fatwas, and killing people in the name of religion. I'm not talking about the lone weirdo: I mean when a Christian denomination makes these things a matter of policy. THEN I'll be concerned.

Posted by: docjim505 at February 04, 2006 08:34 PM (sntNU)

22 Nihilbilly, Yes. I KNOW what you mean (as I am surrounded by them here in South Texas!). Those Southern Baptists are forever killing their sisters to defend the "family honor," beheading "unsaved" hostages while shouting "Praise the Lord!" and burning down embassies of "pagan" countries. I understand your comparison, . . . REALLY! (end sarcasm.) -- gunjam

Posted by: gunjam at February 04, 2006 11:44 PM (2x+9Q)

23 Being a Southern Baptist for most of my life, missionary Baptist prior to Southern, nihibilly is so completely wrong as to defy credibility. I'm trying to figure out just what the heck he is alluding to. I have never been subjected to the kind of "orthodoxy" he is referring to. And the last time I checked(which was last Sunday) you can get up and leave, not go to church or pray, or basically do anything you want to vis-a-vie the Baptist Churches I have belonged to. What's up with that? And if hypocricy troubles you, nihibilly, then everywhere you go and work will expose you to hypocrits, including the church. You see, we all sin and fall short of the glory of God. That's the reason Jesus came to Earth as our Savior. Just a thought.

Posted by: jesusland joe at February 04, 2006 11:59 PM (rUyw4)

24 I must say that the recent protests and violence in the middle east has done nothing but confirm the views depicted by the cartoonists. I will also go further and say that recent threats against those responsible for printing these articles and other threats directed toward the Western world has done nothing but confirm in my mind that people from the middle east are an uncivilized bunch of fanatics. I advise all "Jihadists" to demonstrate peacefully, as they have a right, but not to take it a step further and piss off half of Europe. Can you not see what you people are doing? You are currently setting the stage for a 3rd world war. Oh and by the way, your opponent is Europe, a continent that has been at war in some form or another since the dawn of civilization. You middle-easteners will get severly fucked up if you start shit. Yes you have suicide bombers, but please, leave them at home, by sending these individuals to the Western world, you will create backlash against your own people in our lands, and hopefully deportation, and even though i embrace both, i dont want to see either.

Posted by: Robert Cue at February 06, 2006 12:45 PM (KUaeS)

25 When a single adult acts in a childish manner you generally ignore that person but when that person is inciting others to act in a similar childish manner it is always best to egg them on and push them over the edge towards insanity, because afterall they and their comrades are only showing their true nature by their childlike actions. You do this so as to expose them for what they really are which as the author of the original note in this email thread here at Hyscience said; "people that have a sand dune, stoneage, intolerant, mindset such as his." Which was a pretty good description of Belani and his comrades IMHO. There are now lots of internet sites depicting similar cartoons and no doubt will be more in the near future. This will undoubetly further inflame the Muslim Jihadists. I say make more cartoons and animations and maybe, just maybe the childlike, sand dune, stoneage, intolerant mindset Muslim Jihadists will grow up and see the childishness of their actions and stop their insanity on their own.

Posted by: piinthesky at February 06, 2006 02:24 PM (BJYNn)

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You know, the one really cool thing about fatwas is that if a prominent religious leader issued one against spammers they'd mess their pants, which would be just plain joyous to contemplate. Sometimes all this whiggish tolerance for individual deviance is just too tedious to be tolerated.

I'm just sayin'...

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January 04, 2006

Indian Director To Glorify Suicide Bombers

Indian moviemaker Mahesh Bhatt plans to film "Suicide Bomber", starring his own son as a confused young man running away from an unsuccessful attempt in the 7/7 attacks.

From Reuters:

"Muslims are demonized by the western nations especially after the so-called war on terror. The gulf between Muslims and the rest of the world is widening," Bhatt said.
"The film will be an attempt to clarify Islam is not demonic and to delve into the mind of a young suicide bomber to try to find out what drives him to reject life for a violent death."

This is not a big mystery. What drives suicide bombers is indoctrination into the cult of violence espoused by radical Islam. Oh yeah, also personal greed and lust (72 virgins, anyone?).

Bhatt doesn't explain how western media are "demonizing" Islam while maintaining a stout embargo on images from the 9/11 attacks.

Bhatt should research the cult of Kali, which murdered thousands of innocent victims before being exterminated by the British in the nineteenth century. If Bhatt and other so-called moderate Muslims don't wake up, and stop seeking excuses for the barbarians sheltering within their own religion, history could repeat itself.

Also posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto.

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1 I'm missing the part where suicide bombing is supposed to be glorified. If you want to see suicide attacks glorified on film, the best examples I can think of are the propaganda posters put out by the IJA toward the end of WW2. This guy just says he's going to make the film from the bomber's POV. It might turn out to glorify terrorism, but you'll have to watch it to find out. "All Quiet on the Western Front" was written from the German POV, but it hardly glorified Prussian imperialism.

Posted by: ShannonKW at January 04, 2006 03:03 PM (dT1MB)

2 ShannonKW: The difference of course, is that the German armed forces, from their point of view were serving their country. However, if you can suggest that their is a side story, to people decimated by glass / ball bearings / nails at the hands of a suicide bomber, that does not hit military, nor a Government targets, perhaps you could fill us all in? I guess that must sound rather noble to you?

Posted by: dave at January 04, 2006 03:20 PM (CcXvt)

3 Let me see. A Muslim makes a film about suicide bombing starring his own son in the lead role of the failed suicide bomber. I'm pretty sure he is going to show the bomber being brainwashed by a radical cleric in a London mosque. The cleric will be depicted as an evil adherant of the radical Salafist cult of Islam, where the Koran is taken to literally mean that the kufirs who refuse to convert to Islam are to be killed, their riches are to be plundered, and their women are to be raped and put into harems. After the failed bombing, the young man will regain his senses, and realize that bombing innocent people is wrong, and he will reject the radical Salafist cleric and turn him over to the authorities, and will testify against the cleric in a court of law in an attempt to get the cleric jailed for inciting murder. The cleric will be convicted, the young man will moderate his view, and become a dedicated moderate Muslim who takes it upon himself to rid the World of radical Islam. Now I would pay good money to see that movie. I guess we will just have to wait and see, but I won't hold my breath. I have a feeling the movie will be entirely different.

Posted by: jesusland joe at January 04, 2006 03:36 PM (rUyw4)

4 The Reuters story says: "the story of a would-be suicide bomber struggling to reconcile the message of radical Islam with an appetite for life." It seems to me that if he really did want to delve into whatever mental struggle he seems to believe occurs in suicide bombers, then perhaps it would be far more beneficial to have the central character being a reformed would-be bomber who has abandonned all prior held beliefs of radical Islam and now strives to put an end to it. But I guess that's not artsy and chic enough.

Posted by: Graeme at January 04, 2006 03:36 PM (CeuET)

5 Dave, Nope, not to me. But then again, if I was born an Arab and had a suicidal chip on my shoulder for the U.S., I would have flown a jet into a docked nuclear aircraft carrier, not into an aging office building full of marketing weenies. The former would have enraged only the U.S. and left the rest of the world sending token condolences (while hiding their smirks with the other hand) but the actual terrorists chose the latter. I still don't know why. I'd have to see it from their POV to understand. For now my working hypothesis is that they were stupid.

Posted by: ShannonKW at January 04, 2006 03:38 PM (dT1MB)

6 Dang it JJ, when did you become psychic?

Posted by: Graeme at January 04, 2006 03:39 PM (CeuET)

7 I think you would like my movie, Graeme. Hmm...maybe I should become a movie producer? Nah, could you see a redneck producer in Hollywood? Me, neither.

Posted by: jesusland joe at January 04, 2006 03:43 PM (rUyw4)

8 How do you account for Dukes of Hazard?

Posted by: ShannonKW at January 04, 2006 03:47 PM (dT1MB)

9 The cleric will be convicted, the young man will moderate his view, and become a dedicated moderate Muslim who takes it upon himself to rid the World of radical Islam. So it'll be a work of fantasy....

Posted by: Brian B at January 04, 2006 03:49 PM (rGfpg)

10 Graeme, Let's just say we think a lot alike, beside the fact that a storyline like we suggested would actually be good for all concerned. But alas, the storyline will be nothing like that. And that's a shame!

Posted by: jesusland joe at January 04, 2006 03:51 PM (rUyw4)

11 ShannonKW: The very notion that a suicide bombers 'motive' is being interpreted in a movie, ennobles it. Instead of seeing it as a senseless, irrational, multiple homicide; we get to see some bollywood's director "idea" of what justifies a homicide bombing, as if there is a justification for a terrorist attack against civilian entities.

Posted by: dave at January 04, 2006 03:57 PM (CcXvt)

12 JJ, a storyline like that would be one worth turning into a movie. I'm curious to see if this will fly in India, considering the problems that they face with terrorism and hindu-muslim fighting. I guess that's why the director chose London for the subject matter - so it won't hit too close to home. Hey I think a Texan as a bigshot Hollywood would be a good thing. Afterall, there's a Texan in the Oval Office and he's doing an okay job.

Posted by: Graeme at January 04, 2006 04:01 PM (CeuET)

13 Haha, thanks, Graeme, for the vote of confidence. I think I'll select you as my front man to pave the way, a Karl Rove type, to smooth my transition from rancher/farmer redneck to, well, rancher/farmer redneck Texan movie producer. Hell man, that might make a good movie itself!

Posted by: jesusland joe at January 04, 2006 04:08 PM (rUyw4)

14 Perhaps this monkey should take a trip to iraq and try to explain the point of view of a wretched suicide bomber to the families of the 30 killed in the latest mass murder in iraq. The victims were attending a funeral when the maggot struck. As displayed before, these 'freedom fighters' are far from noble, time and time again they display how low they can go, why even pigs would have more of a conscience.

Posted by: MathewK at January 04, 2006 06:21 PM (pVHqF)

15 >>>"The film will be an attempt to clarify Islam is not demonic and to delve into the mind of a young suicide bomber to try to find out what drives him to reject life for a violent death." Yet another opportunity to display their anti-Americanism. Nothing new to see here.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 04, 2006 06:45 PM (8e/V4)

16 The west better stop pussy-footing around with this crap. There's generally too much hand-wringing about taking on the threat. Mark Steyn has a great article about how great societies are never "murdered". Rather, they commit suicide.. little by little. It's what's happening to the west right now. I don't want to understand islam. I just want it gone. Somehow, the West needs to find the intestinal fortitude to do what Spain finally had to do in 1492.

Posted by: Richard at January 04, 2006 09:58 PM (W8EsU)

17 "Muslims are demonized by the western nations especially after the so-called war on terror. The gulf between Muslims and the rest of the world is widening." Ah, so the Muslims who excoriate and malign all Jews are feeling the pinch when they find themselves at the same end of the ugly stick? Naw - can't be.

Posted by: Oyster at January 05, 2006 06:05 AM (YudAC)

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