April 18, 2006
Today's Al-Qaeda Joke
Scottish Police Chief Constable John Vine stunned the guests at a bar association dinner with a joke.
During the toast, towards the end of the evening, Mr Vine told a joke about al-Qaeda fathers comparing notes about the careers of their suicide-bomber sons.Apparently, the crowd reaction prompted Mr. Vine to apologize. Sure, it wasn't a great joke but I thought it was okay.Many in the audience at the event on March 24 were stunned when he delivered the punchline: "Kids blow up so quickly these days."
Of course, it wasn't the quality of the joke that was objectionable. It is simply not politically prudent in the United Kingdom to speak ill of terrorists. What a bunch of wankers.
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I'm sorry... I actually shot a little beer thru my nose when I read this.
I think a relevant point to bring up is this: anyone else notice that Islamofascism is just about the only quasi-religion/political system that does NOT have a sense of humor? True, this joke was probably in bad taste, at worst, but one thing that almost every other civilization on our planet has in common is the ability to laugh at something, even in the direst of circumstances. Remember the post 9/11 moratorium on comedy? It was excruciating! I felt so good when David Letterman (easy now, not getting into his politics here!) finally broke out and addressed the tragedy and "got on with the show", in order to get back to a sense of normality. Same with Rudi hosting Saturday Night Live, and one of my favorites, The Onion and their hilarious "Hijackers In Hell" edition.
The American people have persevered through many tough times by being able to find an outlet through humor, whether frivolous or dark, in order to get "back on track".
Riddle me this: if you were a citizen of Syria, Iran, Iraq, or many Indonesian Islamic countries, just how many times per day or week do you think you would actually laugh out loud? Unless I'm missing something, I don't think very many...
Posted by: EricInTexas at April 18, 2006 12:24 PM (b96R4)
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OK, call me insensitive, but I just shot beer thru my nose when I read this. Those silly Scots, gotta love em!
This brings to light something I think is very telling about our Islamofascist neighbors on this planet - anyone notice they don't have a sense of humor?? At ALL?? Our country specifically has used humor, both frivolous and dark, to get us through trying times in our history. I stood up and cheered when Letterman finally came back on the air post 9/11 (politics aside, here!), and initially spewed his feelings of the events, and basically declared that it was time to crack a joke or two. Same with Rudi hosting Saturday Night Live a few weeks later. The Brits and Scots are a bit drier in their comedy, but the same spirit ensues there. In fact, every other civilization on the friggin' planet can find the time to crack a joke to ease the tension of the moment, and not take umbrage to the extent that they want to saw people's heads off.
VERY telling, if you ask me...
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...sorry for the dual posing - my first one got an error, and so I reprised in a second posting. Arrggh...
But dammit, I think it's funny!
Posted by: EricInTexas at April 18, 2006 12:52 PM (b96R4)
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>>>It is simply not politically prudent in the United Kingdom to speak ill of terrorists.
Why, of course not. That would be "racist."
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 18, 2006 01:46 PM (8e/V4)
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I just thought it was in poor taste.
Posted by: jim allah at April 18, 2006 08:00 PM (9ikyY)
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Hm ... Yeah ..... the roast beef was good though.
Posted by: Last word Larry at April 18, 2006 10:17 PM (FCC6c)
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God forbid we make a joke about Islamic FacistsÂ… donÂ’t want to make the terrorists angry! Who knows when one of them might show up in one of our driveways with long sabers or shot guns with dirty turbans and masks.
Anyone notice the paralles between our attitudes towards Hilter in the 1930Â’s and the Islamic Facists of today. DonÂ’t make jokes, donÂ’t make them angryÂ… itÂ’s just make it worse. Give them what they want and maybe theyÂ’ll go awaw! DonÂ’t do anything to offend them and maybe theyÂ’ll leave us alone!
Because of this attitude, theyÂ’re laughing at us while we prove to them we really are cowards.
Posted by: Eric "Ren" Fisk at April 18, 2006 11:11 PM (i21Xl)
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Did you try the potatoes au Gratin?
Posted by: Last word Larry at April 18, 2006 11:33 PM (FCC6c)
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Hey, it made me laugh.
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I've linked to you here: http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2006/04/re-cop-chief-blunders-with-joke-on.html
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April 15, 2006
'Illegal Alien' Is New Ethnic Slur
Political correctness is changing the rules of 'free' speech daily. No longer are cartoonists able to freely draw the world as they see it and now 'illegal alien' is deemed offensive.
From AnnCoulter.com:
On CNN's "Lou Dobbs Tonight" on Monday, Dobbs was interviewing Nativo Lopez, president of the Mexican-American Political Association about his demand for "full immediate, unconditional legalization for all persons currently in the United States."Jeez, I could understand a bit of snippiness if Dobbs had mentioned 'beaners' or 'wetbacks' but he didn't. Dobbs said 'illegal aliens' which, in my mind, is a fair and descriptive dictionary definition of people sneaking into the U.S. My preference would be 'trespassers' since it carries a more precise and accurate meaning. more...Dobbs posed this innocuous question about Lopez's planned boycott, "You're talking about a boycott of all illegal aliens in this country?"
Lopez exploded: "Well, first off, I refute your terminology. You don't say 'kike,' 'patty,' 'WOP,' OK. You don't say "nigger"! ... You're using language that's offensive to me and offensive to my people! ... You pollute the air every day, Dobbs. ... That language is offensive, it's derogatory, it's denigrating, and don't use that terminology to me again, referring to my people!"
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Frank Gaffney, Jr., and The Center for Security Policy offered a great idea on illegal immigration in the form of a Secure America Pledge. I have a post on it here with a link to an online petition in support of the pledge.
Posted by: Jim at April 15, 2006 11:55 AM (YkmII)
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Call 'em as you see 'em! Don't succumb to the " political correctness " of playing sensitive to lawbreakers.
Posted by: Hailus at April 15, 2006 11:59 AM (FCC6c)
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Lopez.... what a spaz
Posted by: Henry Jennings at April 15, 2006 12:02 PM (vqrMt)
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How about for every illegal mexican they send us we send a convicted felon to mexico. Similar to our interstate compact process between prisons...
Posted by: Victory for the USA at April 15, 2006 12:14 PM (y+196)
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Alas, I checked the CNN transcript and that is how it happened. "Illegal Immigrant" is offensive! But the best part was that Dobbs continued to mention "illegasm immigrants" after this guy's tirade against the, um, "slur."
Posted by: Mark at April 15, 2006 12:23 PM (N4eMw)
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Okay.
Let's just call 'em criminals.
Posted by: LindaSoG at April 15, 2006 12:29 PM (GBBmd)
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Cardinal Mahony asked that illegals not to be called 'illegals', too. I wrote The Tidings and stated that that sort of instruction was cruel and what mental illness is made of. Let alone his silence on the Aztlan and pan-Hispicic aspect of the protests. i think he finally told the Phpyc mob to roll up the eagle and worm flag, that they werent scoring any points.
Posted by: garyperris at April 15, 2006 12:45 PM (htv3Q)
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>>>it's denigrating, and don't use that terminology to me again, referring to my people!"
How dare that worm of a man, Nativo Lopez, to imply that when someone says "illegal aliens" he must be referring to all hispanics. It is HE, not Dobbs, that has made that implication by protesting the use of that term.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 15, 2006 12:55 PM (8e/V4)
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We need to guard our language, and not give in to political correctness. Call it as you see it, and vigorously support your position, and debate anyone who tries to suggest the language you use is an ethic slur. They are not the ones who make up the rules.
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 15, 2006 01:00 PM (rUyw4)
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That's right! Guard our freedom of speech! Call 'em as we see 'em! And don't let anyone try to shut us up especially the likes of Inprobus Maximass, Oyster eater and Jesusland Joeblow!
Posted by: Hailus at April 15, 2006 02:41 PM (FCC6c)
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How about "butt-pirate?" "Pillow-biter?" Are those out, now, too?
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold at April 15, 2006 02:42 PM (ew/vq)
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How about calling them the "aztlan a**holes"?
Posted by: n.a. palm at April 15, 2006 03:17 PM (ZRe7M)
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I thought it was funny as hell! That whole approach has backfire written all over it!
This is one argument that will inevitably blow up in the faces of the pro-illegal crowd - it is simply a question of time.
For the Dems and some Republicans, this reminds me of the story of the dog with a bone in his mouth who sees his reflection in the water at the edge of a lake - and thinks its another dog with a bone - he then drops his bone in the water in an attempt to get "the other bone" ... and loses everything over an illusion.
Does anyone seriously not believe that come the next US recession (which affects economic conditions south too!!! - and down there they are already deteriorating!!!) that illegals will continue to come - they will be competing openingly (they are now but its down quietly) with other illegals, Hispanic-American citizens, African-Americans, and unemployed whites?
Nothing gets uglier faster than labor unrest - it may be localized and regionalized - but it will be a sight to see on the 24hr news cycle! Add to that mix localized voter fraud (you know its happening) and increased taxes for diminishing services ... what a combination!
Posted by: hondo at April 15, 2006 03:25 PM (4mgfY)
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Well, we could always engage in ethnic sensitivity -- why not use the Spanish word "mojado" (pronounced "mo-ha-doh"). It means "wet", and refers to the fact that these foreign invaders need towels for their backs.
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Nativo Lopez (probably not even his real name), has been involved with the racist Aztlan movement for decades. The more these jokers cry about terminology, the more they need to hear it. There's a clear parallel with muslims' attempt to stifle free speech regarding statements about islam that they find "offensive". I say let's offend 'em every chance we get.
Posted by: Richard at April 15, 2006 05:08 PM (7KF8r)
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I googled Nativo Lopez and discovered that he was Larry Lopez before changing to Nativo to have more latin appeal. It is merely coincidence that my handle also contains Larry in it.
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Posted by: Last word Larry at April 15, 2006 08:23 PM (FCC6c)
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Larry Hailus, are you drunk, or just stupid? Never mind. I think stupid will do.
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 15, 2006 08:29 PM (rUyw4)
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Joe Blow it out your a**.
Posted by: Last word Larry at April 15, 2006 08:58 PM (FCC6c)
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HR4437
Posted by: Walter Haas at April 15, 2006 10:36 PM (8lHGf)
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HR4437,stop free trade.We will have the power if we stop immigration.This is how the coporates keep the price of labor down.Greed is king and will destory our culture.There must be control of trade.International bankers,Federal Reserve,it is unconstitutional.No deficit no FR.Require states to use education model of before 1963.Have physical education manatory.Teach our children to be proud to be American.TAKE BACK AMERICA.Force a draft army,the majority will not fight,STOP WAR.PROSECUTE TRAITORS.
Posted by: Walter Haas at April 15, 2006 10:54 PM (8lHGf)
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JJ, it does no good to tell Larry or Hailus what he is. Yes, he's a moron, yes he's an idiot. The problem is that he's too stupid to be bothered by it. This is what our government schools have wrought and foisted upon us. A bunch of ninnies whose self-esteem is impenetrable because their feelings take presedence over value and knowledge. They never feel pressured to produce anything of real value because they think their presence alone is all that's necessary.
Posted by: Oyster at April 16, 2006 05:25 AM (YudAC)
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Feel the heat Oyster breath! Now get on all fours -- and bow to your superior!
Posted by: Last word Larry at April 16, 2006 06:39 AM (FCC6c)
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Larry, Hailus, whatever you feel the need to be today, since you can't even decide on a handle, let alone carry on an intellectual conversation with even the most lightweight of political opponents without resorting to the standard Bush bashing rhetoric or faking a strong conservative standpoint to weasel your way in with buzz words you don't even have a passing acquaintance with the definitions of, your best bet would be to just shut your pie hole and take the backseat you were born to because you are treading way too deep. Mental midgets like you get trampled everyday. I'd hate to see you get hurt. And the best you can do is, "Now get on all fours -- and bow to your superior!"
What a child.
And rest assured I won't address you again. Life is way too short to respond any further to your debasing and infantile remarks.
Posted by: Oyster at April 16, 2006 02:26 PM (YudAC)
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Oops! I must have touched a nerve on that one! Now who's the oppressor here? I only verbally attack when verbally attacked. Oyster breath started this with insults of " moron " and " idiot " , not knowing me from Adam and now has wheezed out and grown red in the face! Typical! Now Oyster breath has resorted to veiled threats of physical harm. If it's too hot in the kitchen .... and if you want people to shut-up then there are plenty like you over in the Muslim dominated areas of the world! The one piece of advice you gave yourself I agree with, and that is if you can't take it then don't dish it out ... and please don't strap on a suicide belt! I actually do enjoy reading some of your posts.
Posted by: Last word Larry at April 16, 2006 02:59 PM (FCC6c)
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Did,nt they used to call them wetbacks?
Posted by: sandpiper at April 16, 2006 03:45 PM (6rkkO)
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So suddenly "illegal" is a word that belongs in the same locked box that holds "kike," "nigger," and "spic," eh? Fine. Maybe I'll start calling the Hispanics "Aztlanofascists" from now on.
Posted by: Aitch748 at April 16, 2006 04:06 PM (SA7JJ)
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Larry, if Oyster says you're an idiot, then you're a complete idiot. Fuck off and die troll.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 17, 2006 05:34 AM (0yYS2)
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Inprobe-ass Maximus: Feel free to strap on your suicide belt. It will make you feel better. Just do it in the privacy of your own home so as not to take out any innocents. Maybe you can have that other troll Oyster breath whom you are so fond of join you.
Posted by: Last word Larry at April 17, 2006 10:43 AM (FCC6c)
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Larry you want banned don't you? So I can save you from yourself.
Posted by: Howie at April 17, 2006 10:54 AM (D3+20)
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Oh! I get it! Are you all in cahoots with each other? It's okay for them to antagonize and break the rules? Is that the sort of rabid annihilate ranting that elevates ones position here? Well, I am armed too so anyone who wants to come hunt me down can feel the sting of hot lead if that is their wish.
Posted by: Last word Larry at April 17, 2006 11:32 AM (FCC6c)
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Now don't get all huffy.
Posted by: Howie at April 17, 2006 12:26 PM (D3+20)
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I am trying to resist the urge to sink to the level of rabid foaming annihilate the lefties or the righties mentalities displayed by some here .... can't we all just get along? And anyone who calls me an idiot is due for some mental pain and humiliation! Ooh! I love this blog!
Posted by: Last word Larry at April 17, 2006 01:39 PM (FCC6c)
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Yello. Not only have I snuck accross the border and stole your yob, i'm banging your wife and your daughter. who do u thinks at you home mowing the lawn and eating you wife and daughter's shaved pussy while your at work?
PS.
I have 2 yobs.
Posted by: Your yob & Wife at April 18, 2006 02:03 PM (va7MX)
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My wife and daughter's pussy's are done professionally ... naw ... must be someone else ...
Posted by: Last word Larry at April 18, 2006 10:45 PM (FCC6c)
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Wow..
the moonbats have swarmed all over this post.
Posted by: The Other Dave at April 21, 2006 07:15 PM (zvBf9)
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Yay beaners rule.
Posted by: Dabeaner at May 02, 2006 10:42 AM (IO8LW)
April 13, 2006
Comedy Central Censors South Park
Michelle Malkin has the story. She includes a clip of the censorship as well as this link for feedback to Comedy Central. And Michelle has open comments on this post so go go and express your dismay.
Ok let me get this strait, Muhammad handing Peter a helmet = offensive enough to censor.
Jesus and Friends Crapping on George W Bush = not that bad.
Is the world a F*^&ed up place or what?
Others Volokh Conspiracy and In the Bullpen.
Add this Image from Republicanjen. Hat Tip: Dr. Rusty Shackleford.
I'm sooooo pissed off too!!
Related : The Jawa Report South Park Muhammed Cartoon Episode.
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Radical islam, not "Bush", is the greatest threat to our civil liberties today.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 13, 2006 12:13 PM (8e/V4)
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They're gamblers man...they're playing the percentages
Offending Christians =OK Zero percent chance they'll hunt you down and chop your head off.
Offending Musliims =Not OK. 50/50 percent chance they'll hunt you down and chop your head off.
Posted by: mrclark at April 13, 2006 12:34 PM (S76hi)
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It's a sorry day in America when even Comedy Central censors it's own programs... We should all thank them for giving in to Islamofacism!
Posted by: Drew at April 13, 2006 12:45 PM (5S/C1)
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Comedy Central should be f'ed in the a for this.
Im seriously!
Posted by: Good Lt at April 13, 2006 01:04 PM (jWYAe)
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Comedy Central was more concerned about their income than sparking violent protests. CAIR most likely made it known to the network that they had their boycott threat form letters printed and ready to send to their sponsors.
Posted by: Graeme at April 13, 2006 01:30 PM (ZlBDp)
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CAIR most likely made it known to the network that they had their boycott threat form letters printed and ready to send to their sponsors.
Perhaps so, but in that case the best they could have done for business would be to write a snarky letter back reading "I don't 'CAIR' what you think. Get it? 'CAIR!' Get it? 'CAIR!' Get it?"
Nope, I think it was the fatwahphobia.
Posted by: Xrlq at April 13, 2006 02:02 PM (IqF37)
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Boycott? How about they just leave if they don't like it?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 13, 2006 02:31 PM (0yYS2)
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BOYCOTT COEMEDY CENTRAL
Posted by: sandpiper at April 13, 2006 02:46 PM (XnXsx)
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how are we supposed to boycott comedy cnetral when South Park is only on comedy central!?
Posted by: anon at April 13, 2006 03:44 PM (9/8CT)
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Today, I re-posted the Momeathead Cartoons entirely out of spite. I feel much better now.
Posted by: richj at April 13, 2006 04:31 PM (Qrjpn)
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I predicted this last week. Do you really think the liberal assholes at Comedy Central really want to piss off their new found friends the Islamofascists? And these Muslims here in the US would do nothing. Nada, not a damn thing. But they are being encouraged by displays like this to see that violence and threats of violence gets results. I also predict this will encourage the bastards to ramp up the rhetoric.
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 13, 2006 04:35 PM (rUyw4)
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Thanks for the link love, Rusty 
Comedy Central totally pisses me off.
Comedy Central totally pisses me off. Posted by: RepJ at April 13, 2006 05:13 PM (Ffvoi)
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I'm lovin' all this! As I said before, terror & violence does work with some people. Those that bend over can hummmmener hummmener all they want - they have effectively telegraphed how whoosy and gutless they really are. Laugh at 'em.
Posted by: hondo at April 13, 2006 08:59 PM (4mgfY)
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I suppose they did it out of "respect" for islam.
Posted by: dcb at April 13, 2006 09:28 PM (8e/V4)
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Seems reasonable to me.
Posted by: Richie at April 13, 2006 09:33 PM (E7ptS)
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After viewing the video and thinking with all the hype- is this a huge advertising ploy to just get more hyped interest? who's being duped? makes me wonder which maybe exactly what- who wants?
Posted by: wu at April 13, 2006 09:41 PM (4SKHI)
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I think some of you are missing the point. Matt and Trey knew CC would censor the Mohammed part, but would air, without reservation, the "Jesus and friends crapping" part. It was a direct dig at CC.
Think about it...
Cartoons of Mo cause Muslims to riot all over the world, and many people die.
Jesus and friends crap all over Bush etc... no riots, no deaths... nothing.
Posted by: Ariya at April 13, 2006 11:00 PM (yHb0A)
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>>>Seems reasonable to me.
If it were true. But it was out of fear, not respect.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 14, 2006 08:08 AM (8e/V4)
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>>>It was a direct dig at CC.
I see your point. But christians still don't like their faith being dragged through the shit so atheists can make digs at each other. Show some "respect."
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 14, 2006 08:11 AM (8e/V4)
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I think Christians have a right to be offended by depictions of Christ defecating on the president. And it is important to remember that they have made no threats of violence against any person or institution that has offended them. A Christian boycott of Viacom, Comedy Central or South Park would be in the best traditions of American democracy. By contrast, the threats and violent acts of some Muslims are outrageous, and must be condemned.
However, Carlos, if you really want to see disrespect, look at atheists. More Americans say they would not vote for an atheist for political office, regardless of his positions, than any ethnic group, gender, or sexual orientation. Christians get state recognition of a key holiday. More than 70 parents have lost custody of their children in America simply because the judge thought they would be better off with their Christian parent. Imagine, for a moment, if 70 christians had lost their children because they were christian?
I could go on--the point is, the broader society is far more "disrespectful" of atheists, who are a distrusted, disliked minority, than this fictional "war on christians" who make up the vast majority of Americans. There is disrespect directed at some fundamentalists, and yeah, as Medved's book points out, many Hollywood liberals are not fond of Christianity, but in the larger scheme of things, atheists get the worse deal.
Posted by: jd at April 16, 2006 06:50 AM (uT71O)
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I think the cartoon was offensive and I dont blame Christians for their disgust. A much more realistic cartoon would have shown Bush crapping on Jesus and the flag...
Posted by: charlie at April 16, 2006 07:17 AM (6oaPd)
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You got that right Charlie! Although I doubt South Park is on many Christians list of late-night entertainment.
Posted by: Last word Larry at April 17, 2006 02:29 PM (FCC6c)
March 31, 2006
The Problem is Islam
Serge Trifkovic gave frontpagemag an interview on his upcoming book Defeating Jihad. The general idea is that the west's zeal for self destruction and political correctness can only lead one direction, strait to the defeat of the west and the eventual submission to Islam. Serge says our current efforts to win the GWOT are inadequate and hampered by politically correct thought. He starts with the general persecution of Christians throughout the Islamic world and moves to the domestic “spying” issue and on to expose the foundations and downright evil of Islam and the “prophet” Muhammad. Serge fears the PC definition of the Jihadist brand of Islam is a mistake!
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Serge Trifkovic via Frontpagemag :We need a comprehensive strategy of defense not merely against a small jihadist elite but against an inherently aggressive, demographically vibrant, and ideologically rigid Islamic movement - and please, no more "Islamist" red herrings! - a movement that has global proportions and world-historical significance. As an ideology and a blueprint for radical political action, it is a phenomenon that cannot be compared in dynamism, energy, and potential consequences with any other creed or idea in today's world. It demands a sustained, bold response that has failed to materialize so far. We are losing the war because our elite class does not allow the enemy to be defined. The squeamishness of European and American bien-pensants alike in naming the enemy is but one sign of a shared malaise that hampers a coherent effort.He also exposes the deceptions of the liberal media in reference to the “domestic spying” issue. Why does the MSM not tell you exactly who is the target of this program? If they do, they just lost the issue that’s why.
Within America, glossing over the surveillance targets' identity has two objectives. First of all, it presented President Bush as an out-of-control autocrat-in-the-making whose hoods may be eavesdropping on any one of us at any time. Secondly, it also implied that a Muslim who has become a naturalized American citizen is so thoroughly and irrevocably "American," that no hyphenated designation or qualifier is called for.You bet they should be deported. Since Islam is a political doctrine as well as religion, can a truly devout Muslim truthfully take the oath of citizenship in the USA and mean it? The truth of the prophet himself and his so called “faith” strait for the Koran and hadiths including his murderous rampages and child brides below the fold. In fact Trifkovic is so right on target I have a tough time deciding what to place on this blog! I strongly recommend we all read it, although Jawa readers will be familiar with much of the content, so we can understand just how political correctness supports the enemy and will lead to loss of our freedom. Our own love of freedom is the factor the enemy is counting on. More below the fold or click here for the entire interview. Also see Infidel Blogger Aliance.Abroad, concealing the rioters' identity fits in with the liberal world view that reject the notion that importing Muslim immigrants may be in any way disadvantageous for the host country. Having reduced religion, politics and art to "narratives" and "metaphors" which merely reflect prejudices based on the distribution of power, the elite class saw the rioters' shout of "Allahu akbar!" as a mere idiosyncrasy that would be cured if the French state gave those "youths" more jobs, more dark-skinned TV anchors, and, of course, lots of "affirmative action" in employment and education.
The citizenship of any naturalized American who preaches jihad, inequality of "infidels" and women, the establishment of the Shari'a law etc., should be revoked, and that person promptly deported to the country of origin.
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Yeah, deporting will work sooooo well, especially since we don't have a long, porous border that nobody is bother to guard...
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 31, 2006 04:56 PM (0yYS2)
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good point IM but it's better than letting them stand that and preach our destruction on our own soil. Over the ocean in a used zodiac in August might be a better way.
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Let me take that back send em in August from the South and in Jan from the north.
Posted by: Howie at March 31, 2006 05:11 PM (D3+20)
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Since Islam is a political doctrine as well as religion, can a truly devout Muslim truthfully take the oath of citizenship in the USA and mean it?
Of course, people used to ask this about Catholics, and it was just as stupid then.
Posted by: Matt at March 31, 2006 05:14 PM (mXCvM)
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How about we just kill them instead? Muslims are vermin and must be exterminated for the good of humanity. Also, fuck off, Matt, muslims can only be trusted when they're six feet under.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 31, 2006 07:10 PM (0yYS2)
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I am deeply ashamed to see humans who are as ignorant as you people. I can clearly see that your words reflect true knowledge and understanding of the world. Yeah Right!! , You think you know others, you think you can judge others, are you sure? What do you know about Islam? of course you just know what your News agencies feed you, and what your books tell you, all written and directed by people as ignorant as yourselves who only choose to look in one direction only, people who would close their ears and starts blabbering loudly when someone tells you something against what you know or think you know. Well, there are some people, who consider themselves muslims, whome are really terrorists. As there are Christians and jews who are terrorists "but i think you choose not to look that way" (well sorry for you), but does that make all muslims BAD, or terrorists or whatever you think you know about Islam?
I think the only chance you and other people can live in peace is when you choose to come out of your shell and try to know the other. Maybe then you would understand right from wrong, and maybe then you would not make any stupid mistakes which youd eventually backfire on you. Maybe when you know muslims, trust them, and let them trust you, you would be able to see clearly who the real terrorists are.
Maybe if you truely look into islam you will know that it is the closest to what you think is democracy rather than terrorism.
Someone once said that Ignorance is bliss, well for you people, ignorance is self destruction.
Have a nice day Folks,
and i hope you take off this dark veil off your faces, the veil which prevents you from seeing reality.
Posted by: Steven M. at March 31, 2006 09:07 PM (dKe9q)
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Well, Steven M., it appears that you think everybody is ignorant except you and other Muslims. If being ignorant means that I don't strap bomb belts on myself or anyone else, if it means nobody has been murdered to preserve my family's honor, if it means that all cartoon parodies are acceptable, and if it means that women are people with elemental human rights as opposed to being property, then I'll be ignorant. In the meantime, you can shove it.
Posted by: Mike at April 01, 2006 02:28 AM (0tX76)
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Hey Steven, you can take your whiney liberal hand-wringing and shove it up your ass. Your only choice for the future is to live under the just rule of conservatives, or the tyrannical rule of muslims, if you don't get your head chopped off along the way, that is. Personally, I hope to meet many like you when the war comes, because our society has enough women, and ball-less males like you need to be taken out of the gene pool. Now go cry about the dolphins, you little punk-ass bitch.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 01, 2006 06:38 AM (0yYS2)
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Well here you are at it again. Thanks mike because you showed great knowledge of islam. Is that what they feed you man? I am really sorry for you, believe me i am. Is that what you think islam really is? Suicide Bombers? Killers? and freaks? Where do you get all those ideas from? Oh and who said that women are with minimal rights? Who for Gods Sake? DO you know that islam condemns killing others? especially women, children, and old people. Do you KNOW that it is forbidden to rob and destroy other people's cities and villages if an islamic army takes over that city? Do you KNOW that prosecuting a person who have commited Adultery should only happen if the islamic all the people of a certain coutry are abiding by the Islamic Law by all aspects, and that there is no such thing as honor killing in the true islamic religeon? I guess you do NOT know. Do you know that in Islam women have more rights than men, and that these benifits are devided equally among all the aspects of the daily life? Do you know that some stupid laws in islamic countries against women are wrong and that they are actually a product of inherited traditons which has no link to islam? And concerning the fact that muslims get pissed at some ignorant ass hole who makes fun of someone who is valuable to them, well don't people fight with each other if someone cursed the other's mother, wife or father. Don't people fight when someone bothers somone else's girlfriend, or make fun of them or of what they belive. Did Islam intrude on these so called artists? Did Muslims draw Jesus, Moses, or any other religeous figure in a bad manner or made fun of them? no, because islam respects all prophets, and religeous icons, even if Muslims do not agree with their beliefs or ways of life. And if there were some people who say they are muslims and do terrible things which islam condemns, is it Islam's fault. If you choose to look in one direction, and if you choose to condemn islam, is it Islam's fault? Well believe what you choose to belive, it's your right, but do not go on saying things about others without knowing if what you are saying is true or not, it is not a quality which a 21st century, educted, and civilized human should have. Oh and thank you both Mike and Improbulus, especially improbulus for your nice words, they reflect the level from which you speak out of.
Have a nice day.
Posted by: Steven M. at April 01, 2006 07:59 PM (dKe9q)
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Democracy in the Middle East is a valid project and can help but we can’t let up on other Arab nations when it comes to rights. This I think is where left and right can come together. I you can’t quite bring yourself to speak out about the fact that religion drives most of these problems you should still fight the lack of civil rights in these nations on a purely political level. None of these countries has a leg to stand on as far as civil rights. The democracies we are establishing may help as they can change faster. If Islamist parties are going to rise to more power we have to call them on these issues. More of a “Warm War” doctrine I think. With the same cold war ideas of containment and push for civil rights and freedom. . Expose them on a political lever. Have some balls for god’s sake. I know it’s not the best post I ever wrote and I really didn’t like it when I read it either. But what I’ve seen recently is we have some issues up front. Dissidents and lack of religious freedoms, bad treatment of women and economic problems. If we don’t watch it we might all come together here. So those issues I try to bring up. You can’t just blow it off as a struggle against a few nut’s you have to pursue it as an ideological fight rivaling the cold war. I knew it wasn’t the best thing I ever wrote but I didn’t have time to change it(AGSPMCS). Who knows, maybe I’ll get rusty his Fatwa?
Posted by: Howie at April 01, 2006 08:03 PM (D3+20)
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Stephen M, what a brainwashed idiot you are. I just got through watching a hare-brained imam saying that all women should have to submit to female circumcision. What kind of dark ages crap is this? And you expect to be taken seriously. Please, use your brain before you talk for God's sake.
And the prophet you are so proud of raped the wife of a Jew he had just had murdered and put her in his harem. And he took a six-year old for a wife? and raped her when she was nine. But he is your hero. Go figure.
No, I have no respect for Islam, it is a vicious cult stuck in the Dark Ages and deserves the disrespect it has earned for the rape, murder, looting, plunder, slavery, head chopping and I don't know how many other crimes committed against humanity, especially Hindus, Buddists, and Christians. You should be ashamed to be a Muslim. Shame, shame, shame. 80 million Hindus slaughtered, 25 million Buddists murdered, 10 million Christians enslaved with another 8 million murdered, Eastern Europe depopulated, North Africa destroyed, the Christian Middle East conquered and destroyed, Anatolia destoyed and depopulated of Christians, Spain and France attacked with thousands killed and enslaved, Italy invaded , ALL PRIOR TO THE CRUDADES, and I could go on and on. What do YOU have to say about all of these atrocities? And still they go on. We all await your answer.
Posted by: templar knight at April 01, 2006 08:31 PM (rUyw4)
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I hate to disappoint you dude but i am strongly sure you are wrong. sorry for you. What in God's name was that you are talking about in the first 2 paragraphs? where did you get that from? Did you get that from a Muslim, a book about islam written by muslims? coz if you take muslims to be the vicious creatures you are talking about they should be proud of what you say, and then it will be in many of their referances. Are you sure the things mentioned in the second paragraph were not written or told to you by someone just like you who hates islam and is blinded by his/her hate? Come on man Grow UP. Can't tou even make a proper research. Should i hate the jews because of what the nazis said about them? what's wrong with some people? For your own sake t knight when you want to judge someone or make a point about something research various sources and ask many people, coz getting information from people just like you won't do you any good, it would make you look dumber. And by the way how can true muslims do what their religeon condemns? slaughtering? killing? raping? what the hell? Are Muslims invading other countries for no apparent reason? are Muslims planning to rob other's of their countries wealths? Are Muslims making fun of other people's beliefs? are Muslims playing judges in other people's internal affairs? are Muslims occupying other people's lands? are Muslims afraid that other nations would be powerful enough to have their own ideas heard by the world? are Muslims preventing others from having weapons while they have enormous weapon arsinals which can destroy the earth a few times in a row? are Muslims Destroying other people's houses and sacred places because they suspect there are weapons hidden there? Do Muslims sell weapons to two counries and make them fight while they try to take control of the region? Do Muslims treat other's in their countries like they were shit and non human? and a thousand other questions? heh, but i suppose they mean shit to you, right!? Well once again if you are gonna choose to look in one direction and one direction only it is your problem to Islam's.
Thanks
Posted by: Steven M. at April 01, 2006 09:00 PM (dKe9q)
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No when so called Mulsims destroy mosques and buildings and sacred places why do they do that. So go fight for those people for their rights. For their secular rights that religion be put in it's place. Nice to see you so upset about it.
Posted by: Howie at April 01, 2006 09:17 PM (D3+20)
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Pot. Kettle. Black.
Christians and Muslims take turns going apeshit and murdering Jews, atheists, and assorted "heretics. Watching them point fingers at each other is funny and sad at the same time.
Posted by: r4d20 at April 01, 2006 09:33 PM (fN/ah)
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I think you should answer that to yourslef, you just wrote it there in your comment. can a muslim who destroyes a mosque in the first place "without going deeper into the list" be a muslim? oh and "so called" is a very wise word. like "self proclaimed" so is it islam's fault if some nutcase says he is a muslim and kills someone? or isn't Christianity's fault if some christian did the same? or the jew's problem if some jewish nutcase did the same? And who informed you that Islam and the islamic nations are not trying their best to stop such people? well sorry but you seem deeply brainwashed. you are just so filled with hate that you are blinded, maybe you should be a terrorist of some sort, it seems to suit your personality.
Posted by: Steven M. at April 01, 2006 09:46 PM (dKe9q)
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Hey Steven, does your muslim boyfriend even shower before you fellate him, or do you prefer him au natural, man-musk and all?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 01, 2006 09:55 PM (0yYS2)
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well Improbulus Maximus, you seem not worth talking to. I won't go as steep as you. sorry but i am not an animal, but hey it seems to suit you.
grow up
Posted by: Steven M. at April 01, 2006 09:59 PM (dKe9q)
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Stephen, you stupid fool. What I quoted you is known history all over the World. What kind of stupid brainwashed fool are you?
Are you so stupid you have not heard of the Hindu Kush mountain range? Are you so stupid that you do not know that Hindu Kush means Hindu slaughter? Are you so stupid that you are unaware of what Muhmud of Ghanzi did to the Hindus?
These events were recorded by ISLAMIC WRITERS AND HISTORIANS al-Utbi, secretary to Mahmud and later by Ferishta. Are you so ignorant to have no knowledge of these men and the recording of the slaughter of the Hindus? Please do not call anyone un-educated when you know nothing but what you learn in madrass.
I could go on, but my point is proved. Muslims should be shamed by the murders and crimes against humanity they have done. Shame on all Muslims. They now can find out these things but they cling to stupidity of the past. This Improbulus Maximus guy may be right, you Muslims wish to destroy the entire World if you do not get your way.
Posted by: templar knight at April 01, 2006 10:58 PM (rUyw4)
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r4d20,
Only a complete ignorance of history can excuse such an outrageous statement.
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 01, 2006 11:07 PM (rUyw4)
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Steven, I hope we meet some day, but since we probably won't, I hope you die in the next terrorist attack by your beloved muslims. You are a piece of shit traitor and deserve to die on the end of a rope at best.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 02, 2006 07:46 AM (0yYS2)
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Bully if you don't call them to account where is the pressure to change? If you don't call these nations to change WTF are you doing. Ignoring rights all over the world. But steveo here thinks they should have the right to murder Christians because hey it's their nation and all that America fights for the little guy stuff it's all about tolerance now. We liberals just don't believe in core American values any more. We are going to support these nations rights to oppress right up until we find ourself oppres by them and all the people they oppress well "Screw Them". As long as I've got tater chips I'm happy. We are going to attack those who will fight for even our freedom and take the threats serious. In other words we SUCK!!!! Communism is OK Stalin, Castro, Mao was just a few nuts. Talk like that would have won the cold war sure it would. Dumbass. I would have thought liberals would seize on these human rights issues and push every one becuase it's their place. But no they don't believe in their own bullshit any more. FDR is turning over in his Grave.
Posted by: Howie at April 02, 2006 09:42 AM (D3+20)
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Templar, you ought to review your history more carefully man. Sure the Hindu Kush mountain area had witnessed many massacres of indian people but did the muslims do all the fighting and killing in that area? Alexander the GREAT? (non Muslim) 327 B.C. , Timur Lane?(non Muslim) 1398 A.D. , killed up to 1000,000 indians. then the Mughal emperor Akbar (non Muslim), killed around 30,000 indians, and of course then comes Mahmoud of Ghanzi in 1001 A.D. who of course fought and killed many indians. So we choose to just look at Mahmoud of Ghanzi because he is ategorized as a turkish Muslim. Oh and by the way why does the indian government forbids talking about this era, and why do indian historians say that the Islamic Indian conflict is just a part of the british policy of "divide and rule"? well of course in your openion the indians are not fighting for their own rights, maybe they need your democracy and freedom fighters to help them right?
and speaking of the British, well didn't they massacre Indians? or is that just the figment of someone's imagination. Maybe the inidans made that up. oh but the british are civilized, how can they do that?
So we chose to ignore other historical aspects and direct our hate towards one brand of people. They did all the killing and bad things in hitory you would shout with your ears closed. We do not do anything wrong, we always have a reason but other, others are evil you would say.
What about the massacres the crusader did? oh if they did, you would think, they should have had a good reason!!! right?
What about killing most of those native americans? were those not massacres?
What about invading others countries then trying to change their history and rearranging the maps in those regions? all for a good cause?
What about shooting and killing muslims praying in a mosque? not a massacre?
and on , and on , and on .....
But sure, the nazis chose to look in one direction, and thought they were the best there is and that they should kill everyone else, they chose to listen to each other coz that was more comfortable, they had their good reasons right? well some are doing the same nowadays and they are no better that those SOB nazis, so go on branding people and making stereotypes, go on let your hate blind you, and when you read a historical fact just choose what suits you, coz you can't be mistaken but others can, right?
Posted by: Steve at April 02, 2006 10:40 AM (dKe9q)
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Timurlane was a Muslim, Steve.
Mahmud of Ghanzi led 17 expeditions into India over a 26 year period that basically destroyed the Hindus, killing 10's of millions. What most people object so much about Mahmud was his murder and enslavement and ill treatment of the Hindus, who died in the millions. The other conquerors had not tried to destroy the culture of the Hindus and Buddists. The other conquerors did not lay waste to the Hindu places of worship, or destroy the Buddist temples. It was the sheer numbers killed by Mahmud that boggle the mind.
And then we have Muhammed of Ghor. I'm with the templar knight here, Steve. You Muslims are known throughout your history as destroyers of everything in a culture, including places of worship.
Steve, you are supporting a return to the Dark Ages with these lies. You need to wake up before it is too late. Free your mind from this darkness.
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 02, 2006 01:25 PM (rUyw4)
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To Steve,
The Indian Government not wants to talk about Muslim murderers because they know you will start the murders again. They afraid of you Muslims because they know you for murderers of thousands of years. No other people who came to India and conquered, even the British, killed Hindus and Buddists like Muslims did. And they did not destroy temples and places of worship.
Steve, you are either stupid or else stupid imam trying to cover crimes of Muslims. You cannot succeed because whole world knows the crimes you have committed and you keep committing them. Don't try to excuse your crimes by pointing out crimes of others. Their crimes were bad, too, but the Muslims surpass everyone, even Monguls, for their brutality. Shame on Muslims. Shame of you, Steve. Admit your crimes, and try to change Islam, or you and it will destroy the World. Is that what you want, Steve, to destroy World?
Posted by: templar knight at April 02, 2006 02:23 PM (rUyw4)
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Hi there everyone, cool it a bit will ya
Well to give it to you streight, i think both parts lie sometimes with respect to historical events, and after sometime hundreds of versions of the same story comes out, so i believe its no good to take such stuff as solid truth.
I happen to travel around a lot, and i've been to some islamic countries so many times. and i for one who had my fears and doubts, and hate. I still have some of those, but i have to say sometimes we do judge others by our point of view only. for instance before going to some islamic countries i had some frightening ideas and i was about to quit at the last minute. but boy was i surprised. What i saw were somewhat modern cities, with educated people, i did not even see a single camel (stupid me). They have everything we have. And they practice their religeon by the book. in many countries Christians and muslims are friends, they go out together, work together, and even marry in some cases. But that is not what mostly surprised me. What did is that they know about us more than we know about them. They speak our language, read our books, watch our movies, tv series, talk shows, they even watch cnn and fox news. They use our software, visit our websites, and most of all they are open to have international friends. Meanwhile they pray and fast, and do all required tasks. We had many debates on various occasions but no one hated me or threatened me in any way. and eventhough - like us - they have some dangerous areas, tough neighborhoods, and even the fanatics and maniacs. But that is not totally different from many gangs, cults, and clans we have. I think that our only flaw is that we do not know them as much as they know us. Something in me hates to admit that maybe, but as one of the commentors pointed out, we do not hear their version of the story. Most of us do not speak their language or read their books, or watch their movies or even have the courage to visit their countries. Many of us, and i know some people, even hate to have muslim friends or even have a chat or debate with any of them. And i truely believe that our hate and misunderstanding is the key element which drives many of them to hate us in return.
Posted by: Dan.B. at April 02, 2006 04:05 PM (dKe9q)
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Dan B.,
This is your major problem. You are a stooge for Muslim. With the Muslim, it is always someone else's fault. Never Muslim fault that he slaughters millions. They don't believe right, they worship many gods, kill them and destroy their temples.
Who picked on Muslim when he came out of desert? Was he attacked in Arabia or did he attack in Syria, No. Africa, Spain, Anatolia, Persia, Afghanistan, India and I go on and on. It's always kill the unbeliever, kill the infidel, destroy the worshiper of many gods, rape, kill, loot, plunder, and all because that book koran say kill non-believer. No other book says that. What other religion believes that?
No, Dan, you are fool if you believe the Muslim. When they lie to infidel, it is ok in their book, koran. It says to lie, plunder, and kill infidel. Shame on all Muslims. Until they change, they are danger to destroy world. Shame on you, Dan, for helping them.
Posted by: templar knight at April 02, 2006 06:31 PM (rUyw4)
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Tell you what Steveo you get your ass out there and stop all the stuff you just mentioned and credited to a few crazy nuts or else put a damn big dent in it and I’ll STFU. Otherwise kiss my ass. I think it’s the evil cult doctrine that creates the nuts. Yeah they may be poor and a bit nutty to start with but it takes something else to get them there. They don’t yell, “allahua akbar!” by coincidence! If Islam is the religion of peace it has to be held to standard. Show me! These Arab governments including those we support like Afghanistan and Iraq have to be held to that standard. Show me! Get with it Steveo! I expect a full report when you get that all done.
We canÂ’t give Islam and itÂ’s influence a political pass just because itÂ’s a religion. Tolerance is a good thing not that Islams teaches tolerance much. But tolerance only goes so far. If you really believe in tolerance I think you have to fight intolerance. To tolerate violence and intolerance in the name of tolerance thatÂ’s criminal. Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil.
Posted by: Howie at April 02, 2006 07:42 PM (D3+20)
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Steevo and to that the bad things in the stevo mentions is just what my fifth grader does. Oh but so and so was so much worse. Christianity does have a violent history but over time the way I see it evil has a way of running inot problems when it come to the words of Jesus Christ. Bad things do happen but over time they are exposed as evil. We become more like Him. Not perfect but look at our blessing vs yours. If this was not gods will how can it be. It must be you are failing to please God. I'm not so sure that if you really compare Muhammads words to the terrorists and others intolerance it would conflict all tht much. How can you move away from it when your "prophet" calls for it. At least christians have an example that over time should lead to peace and not by killing he rest either.
Posted by: Howie at April 02, 2006 08:14 PM (D3+20)
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Steven is merely typical of the brainwashed libtard who is willing to excuse muslim atrocities committed today and tomorrow by referring to something that Christians or even pre-Christians did hundreds or even thousands of years ago. He is a parasite on civilization and should go live with his beloved muslims, where they can train him to blow himself up in the presence of women and children.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 03, 2006 06:53 AM (0yYS2)
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IM, I'm pretty sure he is a Muslim posting under a Christian name. Spreading propaganda is his job. He is probably from India or Malaysia, and is a wanna-be jihadist. That is my opinion.
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 03, 2006 08:06 AM (rUyw4)
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Let me tell you a few things about islam:
1- When muslims used to invade other countries and/or villages, and i mean in the time of the prophet, and when the islamic religeon was spplied in all its aspects, the muslims were not alowed to kill women, children or old people, pluse anyone who was not directly fighting them.
2- the muslims were not allowed to destroy other people's holy places. They did not help in rebuilding any holy places of other religeons but they were not allowed to destroy them or mess with them. And they did not deny people from other religeons to practice their beliefs.
3- In the Hadith and the Quran there are rules to treat the hostages. And muslims are not allowed to humiliate, torture, or kill their hostages. They were asked if they wanted to convert to Islam, and were given the right to choose.
4- The Quran strictly says, that the choice of choosing religeon can't be imposed on anyone, it is the person's choice and his or her choice only.
5- The prophet had Jewish and Christian neighbours, and all stories speak of a good relationship between them.
6- Women used to work, travel, and even fight alongside men if needed. But islam says that women are biologically and psychologically more capable to educating, rasing a family, guiding, thus they are advised to have such chores in life.
7- Islam strictly forbids self termination, or suicide in other words. And the one killing oneself is not considered a muslim. Unless the person is crazy, or lacks the right state of mind to prevent him or hereself from doing that, and/or if the person do not know that this is wrong.
8- The prophet was hit and humiliated from some people, and when his friends asked if they should kill these people, he said no. Maybe someday they would find the right way.
9- Islam says that all other religeons are true and they, like islam are a blessing from God to humanity, but these religeons were changed over time, and many people wrote alongside the true words of got, and that man's words are not perfect so the religeons lost their purity with the passage of time.
10- Islam preaches that muslims should be ready to frighten the nonbelievers in case they threaten islam.
11- Islam says that everyperson has logic and can destenguish right from wrong. No one should be forced to become muslim. But muslims should tell people about their religeon in the most civilized ways, and leave them the choice to decide. Because it is the muslim's job to help others know the truth. and that is a form of love, because when you love someone you would direct them to what you think is best for them.
12- Islam condems any kind of torture to oneself or others, even to one's enemies.
13- Muslims are even preached by the hadith and Quran not to lie, even if it was to their enemies. They are also taught to be honest and stand with the oppressed against the opressor even if the oppressed was a non muslim, and even if they should stand agains another muslim.
14- Islam prohibits muslims from alcohol, any from of drugs, nonmarita sex, and gambling. because these, even if minimally allowed, would affect the society in a while and cause major prolems to people.
15- In islam killing someone else, if not in a battle, or if not prosecuted for a crime, would cause the killer to go to hell.
16- Muslims are taught to help whome ever is in need even if that was a non muslim.
Here is a general view of islam coming form a muslim, born and raised. How can islam be so savage if it preaches such things? And if you would tell me that what i just said was not part of islam or if you said that this was not the general idea, then you are wrong or you do not know what islam really is.
If some maniacs pause as muslims, if they are arabs, or speak arabic, or if they know some verses of the quran, or if they act like they know. Does that indicate that they are muslims. I have many Chrisitan Friends, and i know how christians pray and what they say and, if i go act like a chiristian and kill someone in the name of christianity or if i said that i was defending christianity in some way would that make me a christian, and is the christian religeon to be blamed. If some priests are homosexual or if a priest rapes a nun then kills her, does that mean that christianity preches such stuff?
Posted by: Said at April 03, 2006 05:34 PM (dKe9q)
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Said if you notice pissing people off is kind of a theme around here. So excuse me but you arejust tehy guy were looking for. If Islam is all you say and you want to make it seen that way by more people. Personally I would nver consider it cause well above stuff. But you you have the power. You can make it that way. Stop them they shame you more than I. No I cannot belive that most Muslims approve of even slightly the behavior and deeds of terrorists or even the treatment of Christians or others in their home nation. But how am I going to get your attention any other way? Fix it you dropped the ball you tolerate it. Fix it now. Don't leave it all to us to fight and die for your problems. Have no doubt we will but it's your problems and don't give me all the it's the joooooos and the Stinking Drunken Irish Americans. Nope your ass made it now pick it up.
Posted by: Howie at April 03, 2006 08:01 PM (D3+20)
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Have any of you met a muslim?
I've been to Muslim countries (Turkey, Egypt and Malaysia) and I talked to so many Muslims. I am still very good friends with one Muslim man and I talk to him often about Islam and the prejudice against it. Women are seen as precious and fragile and they VALUE all life. Actualy the Islamic belief's are almost identicle to Christianity. Only main differences are that Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet not the sun of god, they pray 5 times a day and onle of the five Pillars of Islam is to give alms.
I know it's hard to know what to believe with the media and politicians being so crammed full of shit but try not to be so prejudice.
Go Steve!
Posted by: Resurrected_Dragon at April 04, 2006 03:38 AM (UroH2)
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Neocon pundits malign American Muslims: All faiths must face their demons
These shameless attempts by Gaffney, Mowbary, and Pipes to malign mainstream Muslim organizations and leaders are not driven by rational and objective considerations, but by paranoia, prejudice, and irrational fear of Islam and Muslims, says Louay Safi.
Three militant neocon pundits spoke vehemently against the Bush administrationÂ’s gesture to include American Muslim leaders in discussions on how to deal with the rising tide of anti-Americanism and to restore the level of trust and support the United States enjoyed prior to the missteps the administration took under the neoconsÂ’ urging.
Frank Gaffney issued a warning to Karen Hughes, the newly appointed Undersecretary of State for Public Diplomacy, demanding that she does not attend the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) Convention. Ignoring the false alarm he set in a recent op-ed piece in the Washington Times, Ms. Hughes met with Muslim leaders and discussed her ideas for bridging the deepening divide between the United States and Muslim countries.
Gaffney told Hughes point bank: “Don’t go there.” Joel Mowbary, another neocon who is apparently more aware of the tactics of misinformation, gave her the benefit of the doubt, allowing her to make one mistake for one time: “Given that it is highly unlikely Hughes knew exactly what she was walking into, she deserves the benefit of the doubt—this time”
Gaffney belongs to a small but vocal group of militant pundits, driven by deep seated hate of Islam and Muslims, and bent on maligning Muslim leaders and organizations in a bid to marginalize and isolate mainstream American Muslims. Gaffney joined two other well known Muslim Bashers, Daniel Pipes and Joel Mowbary, in demonizing ISNA and the leaders of the national Muslim organizations that met Ms. Hughes.
Utilizing several conservative publications, including the Washington Times, the trio levelled serious allegations against mainstream Muslim organizations, accusing them of supporting terrorism and promoting radicalism. Using quotes taken out of context, guilt by association, errors of fact, and innuendo, the group has been active in feeding lies to the public and inciting government officials and law enforcement agencies to conduct investigations, and then use these investigations as a basis for further maligning law-abiding and patriot American Muslims.
Pipes accused , last year, the Center for the Study of Islam and Democracy (CSID) of being “part of the militant Islamist lobby," and contended that it was “well-disguised, and has brought in all the Islamist trends, giving them a patent of respectability."
After conducting a thorough investigation of Pipes’s accusations, the United States Institute of Peace (USIP) issued a statement that brought out the irresponsible nature of Pipes’s attacks. “The Institute was aware of and took seriously the accusations made against CSID and some of the speakers at the event,” Kay King, the director of Congressional and Public Affairs at USIP wrote. “These allegations were investigated carefully with credible private individuals and U.S. government agencies,” she went on, “and found to be without merit. The public criticism of CSID and the speakers was found to be based on quotes taken out of context, guilt by association, errors of fact, and innuendo.”
Gaffney, likewise, used misinformation and error of fact to justify his demands that the Bush administration isolate the most inclusive and mainstream Muslim convention. He contended, in a recent article, that the Senate Finance Committee “listed ISNA as one of 25 American Muslim organizations that ‘finance terrorism and perpetuate violence.’" He, however, failed to disclose that the Finance Committee never found ISNA guilty of such allegations and that his reference relates to a letter sent by the committee chairman and the ranking member on December 22, 2003, asking the IRS to investigate Muslim charities for possible links to terrorist financing. 18 months have lapsed since February 20, 2004, the deadline set for the investigation, with no action, or even a congressional hearing conducted by the Finance Committee on the matter.
Mowbary, employing the same tactic of half-truths, quotes taken out of context, and innuendo, cited a Freedom House study that found Saudi publications in twelve mosques—out of 3500 throughout the country—that made bigoted references to followers of other religions. What Mowbary omits is the fact that the Freedom House, responding to complaints by American Muslim leaders of the misleading nature of the report title, stressed that their study was intended to uncover the bigotry of the Saudi publications, and was never intended to implicate US mosques. The Freedom House went a step further and invited two of ISNA leaders to a meeting for consultation on its report and to explore the question of religious extremism.
These shameless attempts by Gaffney, Mowbary, and Pipes to malign mainstream Muslim organizations and leaders are not driven by rational and objective considerations, but by paranoia, prejudice, and irrational fear of Islam and Muslims. Such irrational and emotional anti-Muslim postures can only confuse the pubic and confound the fight on terrorism with the fight on Islam, and hence plays to the hands of the anti-American pundits who thrive on the missteps, and counterproductive actions and postures, urged by Gaffney and his ilk.
Mainstream American Muslims have already taken a principled and firm position against the senseless killings of unarmed and defenseless civilians. But their ability to succeed in drying the swamp of extremism that feeds into terrorist attacks can only succeed if the Jewish and Christian communities confront their bigots and extremists, and dry the ponds of bigotry in their midst.
It is heartening to realize that most Americans are able to see through the militant punditsÂ’ paranoia and bigotry, as Karen Hughes has amply demonstrated when she ignored the false alarm they set off on the eve of her meeting with Muslim leaders during ISNA convention.
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The above comments are just further proof that the sooner we start hanging the liberals and muslims, the better. I hope the inevitable comes soon, because there are a lot of pissed people right now, and the time is just about right to clean house.
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Neoconned obviously disregarded that Muslim verse that forbids the partaking of alcohol and drugs.
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 04, 2006 11:07 PM (rUyw4)
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How "Jewish" Zionists like you Fuel Hostility to Muslims
Flemming Rose, the "cultural editor" of the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten decided to publish 12 provocative and inflammatory cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad - including one in which the Prophet is shown wearing a turban shaped as a bomb with a burning fuse, the International Herald Tribune reported on December 31, 2005.
The Danish newspaper was unprepared for the global furor which was provoked by the cartoons. The offensive cartoons resulted in demonstrations in Kashmir, death threats against the artists, condemnation and rebukes from 11 Muslim countries and the United Nations.
"The cartoons did nothing that transcends the cultural norms of secular Denmark, and this was not a provocation to insult Muslims," Flemming Rose, cultural editor of Jyllands-Posten, Denmark's largest newspaper, said, rather disingenuously.
Rose and the paper have refused to apologize for publishing the drawings.
"But if we talk of freedom of speech, even if it was a provocation, that does not make our right to do it any less legitimate before the law," Rose said in an interview from Miami, where he has fled to escape the publicity after living under police protection in Denmark.
But Rose acknowledges that even his liberalism has its limits. He said he would not publish a cartoon of Israel's Ariel Sharon strangling a Palestinian baby, since that could be construed as "racist." He would, however, publish a cartoon poking fun at Moses or one of Jesus drinking a pint of beer.
Now why would Rose refuse to publish a cartoon depicting Ariel Sharon, a known war-criminal and genocidaire, strangling a Palestinian baby?
Why would such a cartoon, correct and accurate in its depiction, be considered "racist" by Flemming Rose? Sharon has certainly been responsible for the murder of thousands of Palestinians during his time on this planet. He is a well-known war criminal. So, why would an Israeli war criminal be protected by Mr. Rose?
Are we likely to see cartoons in Jyllands-Posten calling into question the force-fed Zionist myth of the Holocaust, which has become the new "Holy Cause" of Europe?
Why should the criminal history of a Zionist leader or outstanding questions about the the Second World War be more protected than the worshipped prophet of one of the world's major religions?
Posted by: To retard improbulus at April 05, 2006 06:36 AM (zqsRN)
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Yeah but the Muslims who do value life always cut slack to those who don't. If thine eye offends thee pluck it out!
Posted by: Howie at April 05, 2006 07:34 AM (D3+20)
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Zionist? Hey I don't much think about jooooos. I don't particulary like or dislike jooooos. Just people to me oh and they don't blow me up. I used to argue the palestinian side of the conflict at work all the time. That is until I watched the bastards dance in the streets over 9/11. as Kos says "Screw Em". See now what has UBL done for Islam but bring more suffering to Muslims and more doubt of Islam. Answer = Nothing.
Posted by: Howie at April 05, 2006 07:37 AM (D3+20)
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Retard, good name, because you are retarded. Why do you believe in a Dark Ages cult like islam? Oh, you are retarded, you say so yourself. I forgot.
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 05, 2006 07:32 PM (rUyw4)
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Believe It or Not: You were Born Muslim howie!
What would you call a religion whose beliefs, practices and followers are being bashed and bad-mouthed in practically every sphere of activity, in almost every corner of the globe, yet it attracts ever-increasing numbers of people?
A Paradox? A Miracle ? Or simply, The Truth: Islaam.
The fact that Islaam is the fastest growing religion in the world today, is proof that our Creator has taken it upon Himself to perfect the Truth that He sent all His prophets and messengers with -- from Aadam [AS] to Muhammad [SAW].
Studies conducted in the West show that the sheer number of new Muslims is changing the demographic profile of countries all over the world, and not all of them are born into Muslim families. With some 6 million adherents in the United States, Islam is said to be the nationÂ’s fastest-growing religion. One expert estimates that 25,000 people a year become Muslims in this country; some clerics say they have seen conversion rates quadruple since Sept 11.
Ironically for a religion that is routinely bashed for “subjugating” and “oppressing” its female followers, the number of female reverts to Islaam outnumber the males 4:1!
The fact that more and more people are finding their way to Islaam, notwithstanding the relentless propaganda, deliberate misinformation and outright prejudice against it, never ceases to amaze me.
How do these people navigate in the darkness to find the light of Islaam in spite of all the obstacles in the way?
The answer is that our Creator has granted each one of us a guiding light -- a pure, undefiled innate nature called the fitrah. Unlike Christians who believe in the doctrine of Original Sin and assert that each baby is born tainted with the sin of AdamÂ’s disobedience to God, Muslims believe that every child is born into a state of purity where it recognizes its Creator and is naturally subservient to His laws.
In his book The Fundamentals of Islaamic Monotheism, Abu Ameenah Bilaal Philips writes: Just as a childÂ’s body submits to the physical laws which Allaah has put in nature, its soul also submits naturally to the fact that Allaah is its Lord and Creator. But its parents try to make it follow their own way and the child is not strong enough in the early stages of its life to resist or oppose its parents. The religion which the child follows at this stage is one of custom and upbringing and Allaah does not hold it to account for this religion.
When the child matures in youth and clear proofs of the falsehood of its religion are brought to it, the adult must now follow the religion of knowledge and reason. At this point the devils try their best to encourage him to stay as he is or to go further astray. Evils are made pleasing to him and he must now live in the midst of a struggle between his innate pure nature and his desires in order to find the right road.
If he chooses to follow his innate nature, his fitrah, Allaah will help him overcome his desires even though it may take most of his life to escape, for many people enter Islaam in their old age.
The QurÂ’aan also points to this phenomenon, where every soul that has been created is asked Who their Lord is, and they testify that it is none other than Allaah before they are born into the world.
When your Lord drew forth from the loins of the children of Aadam their descendants and made them testify concerning themselves. Saying: Am I not your Lord? They said: “Yes, we testify to it.” (This) in case you say on the Day of Judgement, “We were unaware of this.” Or in case you say: It was our ancestors who made partners (with Allaah) and we are only their descendants…[Surah Al-A’raaf 7:172-173]
Explaining this verse, the Prophet [SAW] said: When Allaah created Aadam [AS] , He took a covenant from him Â…then He extracted from him all of his descendants who would be born until the end of the world, generation after generation and spread them out in front of Him in order to take a covenant from them.
He spoke to them face to face saying: Am I not your Lord? And they all replied: Yes, we testify to it.
Allaah then explained why He had all of mankind bear witness that He was their Creator and the only true God worthy of worship. He said: That was in case you (mankind) should say on the Day of Resurrection, “Surely we were unaware of all this. We had no idea that You were our God.” [Silsilah al ahadeeth as Saheehah, Narrated by ibn Abbaas, collected by Imaam Ahmad]
This is the reason why people who adopt Islaam are said to revert instead of convert, because they are going back to their original nature -- the one they were naturally created with -- which is automatically aligned with the Universe, its Creator and His Laws; as opposed to simply exchanging one set of beliefs for another.
Reverts to Islaam testify that this inner inclination to search for the Truth, to know and follow it is a major factor in their adopting the faith. It is interesting to see some of the reasons cited by reverts for adopting Islaam:
Islaamic Monotheism
“The Christian sect of Athanasians insistently inculcates the tenet that Christianity is based on a belief in three gods (Trinity), that a slightest doubt as to this belief will lead one to immediate perdition; and that a person who wishes to attain salvation in this world and the next should definitely hold a belief in the three gods: God, the Son of God, and the Holy Ghost.
When I became a Muslim, I received a letter, which said: “By becoming a Muslim you have damned yourself to perdition. No one can save you. For you deny the divinity of God.” The poor man [who wrote that letter] thought that I no longer believed in God, not knowing that when Jesus had begun to preach, he stated the unity of God and he never claimed to be His son.
[Lord Headley al-Farooq; British diplomat, engineer]
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An answer for every question:
“I would always search for causes and purposes for everything. I would anticipate logical explanations for them. On the other hand, the explanations provided by priests and other Christian men of religion did not satisfy me. Most of the time, instead of giving satisfactory answers to my questions, they would dismiss the matter with evasive prevarications such as, “We cannot understand these things. They are divine secrets” and “They are beyond the grasp of the human mind.”
Upon this I decided to study, on the one hand, Oriental religions, and on the other hand, books written by famous philosophers. The books written by these philosophers always dealt with such subjects as protoplasms, atoms, molecules, and particles, and did not even touch on reflections such as “What becomes of the human soul?” “Where does the soul go after death?” “How should we discipline our souls in this world?”
The Islamic religion, on the other hand, treated the human subject not only within the corporeal areas, but also along the spiritual extensions. Therefore, I chose Islam not because I had lost my way, or only because Christianity had incurred my displeasure, or as a result of sudden decision, but, on the contrary, after very minutely studying it and becoming thoroughly convinced about its greatness, singularity, solemnity and perfection
[Muhammad Alexander Russell Webb; American diplomat, author]
Direct relationship with oneÂ’s Creator:
Now I realize I can get in direct contact with God, unlike Christianity or any other religion. As one Hindu lady told me, “You don't understand the Hindus. We believe in one God; we use these objects (idols) to merely concentrate.” What she was saying was that in order to reach God, one has to create associates, that are idols for the purpose. But Islam removes all these barriers.
[Yusuf Islaam, formerly Cat Stevens]
Universality:
Islam is a religion that belongs not only to the Arabs but to the entire humanity. This universal quality presents a sharp contrast with the Judaic religion, whose holy book always refers to the God of Israel.
One more thing that I love in Islam is that this religion recognizes all the prophets, makes no distinction between them and treats the believers of other religions with compassion.
[Mahmud Gunnar Ahmad, Swedish Muslim]
Absolute equality before God, extended brotherhood:
There were tens of thousands of pilgrims, from all over the world. They were of all colors, from blue-eyed blondes to black-skinned Africans. But we were all participating in the same ritual, displaying a spirit of unity and brotherhood that my experiences in America had led me to believe never could exist between the white and non-white.
America needs to understand Islam, because this is the one religion that erases from its society the race problem. Throughout my travels in the Muslim world, I have met, talked to, and even eaten with people who in America would have been considered white - but the white attitude was removed from their minds by the religion of Islam. I have never before seen sincere and true brotherhood practiced by all colors together, irrespective of their color.
You may be shocked by these words coming from me. But on this pilgrimage, what I have seen, and experienced, has forced me to rearrange much of my thought-patterns previously held, and to toss aside some of my previous conclusions. This was not too difficult for me. Despite my firm convictions, I have always been a man who tries to face facts, and to accept the reality of life as new experience and new knowledge unfolds it. I have always kept an open mind, which is necessary to the flexibility that must go hand in hand with every form of intelligent search for truth.
During the past eleven days here in the Muslim world, I have eaten from the same plate, drunk from the same glass, and slept on the same rug - while praying to the same God - with fellow Muslims, whose eyes were the bluest of blue, whose hair was the blondest of blond, and whose skin was the whitest of white. And in the words and in the deeds of the white Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that I felt among the black African Muslims of Nigeria, Sudan and Ghana. We were truly all the same (brothers) - because their belief in one God had removed the white from their minds, the white from their behavior, and the white from their attitude.
[Letter written from Makkah, by Malcolm X]
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Belief in the QurÂ’aan as Divine Revelation:
I read as much of the QurÂ’aan as I could. I was immersed in it. As I read the verses in English, I repeated to myself over and over again, this is what I have always thought and believed. What kind of book was this? Before long I was reading the book and crying, and reading and crying... it was as if something had overtaken me... I forgot what I was looking for in particular, however when I came upon the verses in Surah Baqarah 122-141 regarding Prophet Ibrahim (AS) I had found my answer.
I had been searching for Isma'il (as), son of Prophet Ibrahim and his wife Hajarah, who had been missing from the Hebrew brothers story. In those verses I found the truth of religion... They say: Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (to salvation). Say thou: Nay! (I would rather) the religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah. Say ye: We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) the Prophets from their Lord; We make no difference between one another of them: and we submit to Allah." (2:135-136) As I continued to read and cry, I became intent upon finding someone who could connect me with others who believed in this book!
[K H Abdul Lateef, USA]
The personal example of the Prophet Muhammad [SAW]:
I accepted Islam because I admired the Prophet Muhammad.[SAW]. I had quite a number of Muslim friends in Zanzibar, who gave me Islamic books, which I read in secrecy from my family. I became a Muslim despite the remonstrances of my family and the oppressions of the priests of Parsee religion, which had been my religion until that time. I held fast to my religion and resisted against all sorts of threats. Now I love Allaah and His last Prophet Muhammad [SAW] more than my life
[Faruq B Karai, Zanzibar]
Islaam withstands scrutiny and encourages reasoning:
Instead of asking a follower to believe in its precepts just ”because” or someone asks them to, Islaam encourages people to think for themselves, reflect on the signs of God in Creation and within their own selves. Little wonder then that a sizable number of reverts are thinking people: scientists, astronomers, philosophers, doctors.
As created beings who can neither grant life nor ward off death, we owe it to ourselves and The One Who Created Us to discover the Truth, to follow it and to facilitate others to do the same.
Posted by: HOWIE again at April 06, 2006 02:53 PM (zqsRN)
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Direct relationship with oneÂ’s Creator:
Now I realize I can get in direct contact with God, unlike Christianity or any other religion. As one Hindu lady told me, “You don't understand the Hindus. We believe in one God; we use these objects (idols) to merely concentrate.” What she was saying was that in order to reach God, one has to create associates, that are idols for the purpose. But Islam removes all these barriers.
[Yusuf Islaam, formerly Cat Stevens]
Universality:
Islam is a religion that belongs not only to the Arabs but to the entire humanity. This universal quality presents a sharp contrast with the Judaic religion, whose holy book always refers to the God of Israel.
One more thing that I love in Islam is that this religion recognizes all the prophets, makes no distinction between them and treats the believers of other religions with compassion.
[Mahmud Gunnar Ahmad, Swedish Muslim]
Posted by: howie it keeps on happening deel with it at April 06, 2006 03:03 PM (zqsRN)
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It's happejing reminds me of a Jihadi website I used to see out there. So I find "it's happening to be a slogan."
Deal with it we shall. Now you deal with the consequences we put upon Islam if it cannot police itself.
Posted by: Howie at April 11, 2006 12:02 PM (D3+20)
February 20, 2006
University of Illinois Editors in Hot Water(update).
The University of IllinoisÂ’ editor in chief and one other editor have been suspended over publication of the controversial Muhammed cartoons after the rest of the staff goes soft on them. The Daily Illini has taken down the web posting of the original editorial, but thanks to the wonders of the Google cache, we can see the original.
Updated : 02/20/06 : Peoriapundit has published the University of ILL Daily Illini paper's new blog policy.
Hat Tip : Instapundit. more...
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Makes perfect sense. U Ill has a large muslim minority student population, and there are significant numbers of muslims through-out the area and state. They would be upset and get angry.
It would be relatively easy for some to simply aquire firearms, go on campus, and execute (selectively or indiscriminately) fellow students and teaching staff.
Also, security at campuses is relatively weak - a dedicated (an offended) muslim student (or otherwise) could easily assemble explosive materials and deliver a bomb to say the Admin building, or Library or Student Cafeteria etc. killing dozens if not hundreds of young (and potentially important) people.
Makes perfect sense to me. ALLAH AKBAR!
Posted by: hondo at February 17, 2006 01:19 PM (fyKFC)
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I love the "Stop...Stop...We ran out of virgins" cartoon 
Doesn't this make sense to everyone? Afterall it's fine to dump the bible in a jar of piss and call it art. But let's kill everyone who draws Mohamed the pedaphile!!!
Doesn't this make sense to everyone? Afterall it's fine to dump the bible in a jar of piss and call it art. But let's kill everyone who draws Mohamed the pedaphile!!!Posted by: joey at February 17, 2006 01:51 PM (DkQ4u)
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All the cartoons are rather tame compared to the filth that MUSLIM PUBLICATIONS in the Middle East routinely run on Jews and Christians. This entire controversy has nothing to do with respect for Islam, but everything to do with the power of Islam to silence its critics.
Wake up, America, before it is too late. The more you give in to these people, the more you reward their threats of violence. Rewarding threats of violence breeds violence.
Posted by: jesusland joe at February 17, 2006 03:26 PM (rUyw4)
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JJ
Look closely at who are the ones giving in. Notice anything?
Posted by: hondo at February 17, 2006 03:41 PM (fyKFC)
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Muslims and liberals need to be killed off.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 17, 2006 04:50 PM (0yYS2)
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Liberals at their usial dirty work making is so only liberals can be heard
Posted by: sandpiper at February 19, 2006 10:26 PM (stdEd)
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Yeah sandpiper, but it ain't gonna work no more, because of this newfangled intarweb thang. Heh.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 20, 2006 04:06 PM (0yYS2)
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I thought the rules were pretty harsh, so just to get em up here where we can see what policies may be in the future. Not good. They may have been suggested before but I saw this link had em spelled out.
Posted by: Howie at February 20, 2006 07:45 PM (D3+20)
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One would think that the self-appointed champions of a free press would not run and hide so easily.
What militant Islam wants, militant Islam gets.
Posted by: Mark at February 26, 2006 02:44 AM (9by0x)
December 02, 2005
You Killed Santa & Jesus You Bastard
I got this from a highly conservative deeply Christian nice lady who for some reason has a lot of pull with Howie.
Survey Proves Retailers Banning ChristmasI thought you would be interested in a survey we did. We gathered advertising inserts from 11 different companies placed in two papers on Nov. 27 (Northeast Mississippi Daily Journal and Memphis Commercial Appeal.) Combined, the inserts totaled 280 pages.
Of the 11 companies, only one—McRae's/Belks—had a reference to "Christmas." They mentioned "Christmas" only two times. The other 10 companies did not mention "Christmas" a single time! While refusing to use "Christmas," they used the term "holiday" a total of 59 times in their 10 inserts.
The companies which refused to mention Christmas a single time in their 260 pages of insert promotions were Target, Kroger, Office Max, Walgreens, Sears, Staples, Lowe's, J.C. Penney, Dell and Best Buy.
Ask these companies why they banned "Christmas" in their in-store promotions and retail advertising and they will tell you they didn't want to offend anyone. They mean, of course, anyone except Christians.
These retailers are willing to use Christmas to secure about 20% of their yearly sales, but they absolutely refuse to mention the Reason for the season.
To see what we can achieve by working together, read the statement from Federated Stores. We boycotted them last year. Click here to see how they have changed.
Please sign our petition below. We are writing every national retailer which bans "Christmas" asking them to change their policy and letting them know how many have signed the petition. Thus far we have nearly 350,000. Our goal is 1,000,000. It is urgent that you sign the petition and forward it to your friends and family. We need numbers so that the national retailers will take notice!If we will stick together and take action, next year we will see scores of retailers recognizing "Christmas" as a Christian holy day instead of a secular "holiday".
Please click here to sign our petition now!
Sincerely,Don
Donald E. Wildmon, Founder and Chairman
American Family Association
Others Supporting Christmas as the birthday of Jesus Christ (uh I thought thatÂ’s what it is). Chris Short Here and CC Here.
Hat Tip: Aunt Frannie.
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Thanks for the link to the petition. Signed it and linked to it on my blog.
Posted by: thirdee at December 02, 2005 09:44 AM (yu9rw)
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I will vote with my checkbook.
Hey Sears, Our dishwasher just died and we will be shopping for a new one this weekend (BUMMER). Hint, the new one will be a Christmas dishwasher not a holiday dishwasher.
I think this campaign is getting some legs. The Today show had O'Riley on yesterday about this subject. I think it's about time a few of us Christians started getting a little more offended. IÂ’m not going to get in anyoneÂ’s face about this, just be a little more selective where I spend my money.
Posted by: Brad at December 02, 2005 09:55 AM (6mUkl)
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My apoligies in advance to my Aunt for the title she does have a sense of humor but I'm sure she would consisder the title a bit over the line as doe snot watch SP.
Posted by: Howie at December 02, 2005 09:59 AM (D3+20)
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I guess I won't be buying my next laptop at Best Buy.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 02, 2005 10:19 AM (8e/V4)
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I have for a number of years been attempting to cut down on the volume of my Christmas shopping and directing my spending to other and smaller stores that celebrate Christmas (or at least respect me).
Last year I was 100% successful with one mom & pop country gift shop getting the bulk of my business.
I do this for 2 reasons -
1) to get away at least a bit from the secular materialistic orientated "holiday" that has developed since the end of WW2
2) to keep it in the "family" ( the Christian family). I don't celebrate "Happy" (I don't even know what it is!). I don't acknowledge "holiday". To those who do I politely smile and walk away.
Posted by: hondo at December 02, 2005 10:37 AM (Jvmry)
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A Christmas Tree Story - i don't know if it is true - (it could be an urban NYC legend)
A father and son sold Christmas trees for years from a location on the upper East Side of Manhattan (ultra-liberal).
The son was a college student and devised a little social experiment and convinced his reluctant father to go along.
On their lot, they separated the trees into 2 groups - Christmas and holiday trees. They decorated both areas with 2 themes - one clearly Christian (nativity scene, angels etc.), the other clearly secular (Frosty, snowflakes etc). The labeled each tree accordingly and ... devised 2 different pricing schemes - holiday trees were 20-25% more. (They were all the same and fine trees).
The son then recorded the interests and purchases.
Some were confused, some asked, a few thought it was some kind of scam (they were probably originally from Brooklyn), most however simply gravitated to a particular group.
The holiday trees sold like "hot cakes"! When they started to run short father an son simply changed the labels and moved Christmas trees to the other secular side.
It was a great season for them - virually all trees were sold.
What to draw from this conclusion? Who knows? It was however a very Merry and profitable Christmas for the father and son. Dad's best in years no less!
Posted by: hondo at December 02, 2005 11:02 AM (Jvmry)
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"Survey Proves Retailers Banning Christmas"
Even foxnews refers to it as holiday. Referring of course to the etymology of hte word: holy day.
Posted by: actus at December 02, 2005 12:37 PM (CqheE)
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I've signed that one and a few others for the American Family Association. They keep me posted by email. Even Bill O'Reilly has made comment on his show about the work of the AFA in regards to the ACLU.
Thanks for posting that item,
Michael
Posted by: Michael at December 02, 2005 12:37 PM (MPBlH)
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Michael (hey great name) Since you brought up ACLU the ICLU indiana CLU won a suit yesterday to stop prayer as part of the Indiana House of Rep procedure and banned the mention of Jesus or his title (didn't say Lord, Savior or King) as part of prayers becuase 4 people were offended and filed suit. Ok ILL was part on Indianna until 1818. Indiana had been having an invocation prayer since it's founding.
Posted by: Howie at December 02, 2005 01:03 PM (D3+20)
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Hey, I know how we can solve this, all of us who believe in Our Lord Jesus Christ and feel that we are being persecuted in our own land, hey let's just move somewhere that we can set up our own country that is based on a firm belief in GOD, so we can worship freely without interference from government or anyone else. We can be accepting of others viewpoints but insist that if they want to stay, that they can't change our way of life but have to accept it, they don't have to embrace it, just accept us as who we are, but if it offends them they should just move along somewhere else.......... OH WAIT, didn't we do that for awhile already, man I coulda swore it was working pretty well too, WHAT HAPPENED?????? Okay you all know the answer to that one, but here's A solution.
TO ALL OF THOSE WHO DON'T LIKE IT HERE... LEAVE, TO ALL OF THOSE WHO WANT TO TURN US AMERICANS INTO A BUNCH OF EURO-WUSSIES... LEAVE. AMERICA, LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT
Posted by: memphis761 at December 02, 2005 02:46 PM (D3+20)
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761,
What?
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 02, 2005 03:40 PM (rUyw4)
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jesusland joe, sorry for the ranting dude. What I was trying to get at was .... this country was founded by a belief in GOD, and FREEDOM OF, NOT FROM, Religion. Our country's founding beliefs and values are being chipped away at. Those who are offended by our core beliefs should go somewhere else.
Posted by: memphis761 at December 02, 2005 04:27 PM (D3+20)
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761,
Yeah!
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 02, 2005 06:59 PM (rUyw4)
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These asshole companies just lost my business. And I'm not even a Christian.
But I would like to thank all Christians for Christmas.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 02, 2005 07:54 PM (OvTKg)
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Merry Christmas to everyone from the resident atheist.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 02, 2005 08:28 PM (0yYS2)
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Christians are offended that Christmas isn't metioned?
I fear a new breed of political correctness here.
'Holiday' comes from 'holy day'. The word isn't as secular as we think.
Instead of getting all offended-that-you-said-happy-Holidays-instead-of-Merry-Christmas, how about smiling and accepting their well-wishes?
Also, these companies are businesses. They are gonna do whatever profits them the most.
Besides, I want to keep shopping at Target.
Posted by: Norbert_the_gnome at December 02, 2005 08:54 PM (/40mF)
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Haven't been to Target in 3 years.
I'm curious Norbert - Target decided some time back to ban the Salvation Army, their Bell ringers and Santa Clauses from their property - why do you think they did that? Were they scaring away customers and decreasing profits?
Posted by: hondo at December 02, 2005 09:12 PM (Jvmry)
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Agent Jones says Merry Christmas to all.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 02, 2005 10:57 PM (Y5zcg)
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Greg, here is one thing we can agree on.
Posted by: Brad at December 03, 2005 01:31 AM (6mUkl)
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Greg the commie shouldn't be referring to Christmas.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 04, 2005 07:46 AM (gvOyZ)
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Perhaps if the muslim animals had Christmas they would behave like people instead of Animals.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 04, 2005 07:47 AM (gvOyZ)
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You guys are not "christians", you are retards. Its a little like christianity, but instead, Bill O'Riley is your messiah. This is America, every religion is welcome, even retards.
Posted by: Joe at December 05, 2005 10:42 AM (oe/r6)
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Hondo:
Target had a policy about not letting charities stand in front of their stores and solicit donations.
Yes, the decision hurt Target but they were still violating their own policy by allowing the bell ringers but not the Girl Scouts.
From stories I heard from a friend who worked at Target, and are not as uncharitable as one would think. They organized toy donation drives and do donate to community organizations. I can't remember the exact numbers, but I think they donate about 5% of their profits.
Posted by: Norbert_the_gnome at December 05, 2005 01:22 PM (QPnrn)
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Joe the leftard retard says that all religions are welcome here. Regardless the what their message and actions are.
Where in the hell did the silly shit get that idea. America was never intended to be a save haven for gutter religions that believe in killing others for their beliefs. Where the hell to these idiots get that idea? Certainly not what our founding fathers had in mind.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 06, 2005 05:17 PM (JHIKU)
December 01, 2005
On the Approaching Celebratory Weeks
Seeing the various levels of rancor regarding the Chrismahanakwanzaka season, I would like to present my peaceful solution, or my own Oslo Accords if you will. Alright, maybe not the best analogy. Or maybe the best. We live in an uncertain, postmodern time. Got that, buddy? Sorry, I need to calm down a bit.
Anyway, my prosposal is a classic standby. Festivus is truly a holiday for the rest of us, and by rest of us I mean all of us, right now. Here is a video that explains the spirit of the season. Festivus has a rich tradition beyond that of Seinfeld, though most of you are likely too ignorant to understand that. OK, OK, I am sorry about that last one. My Airing of Grievances is getting ahead of me. Please understand that lashing into others and the world about how they have disappointed me gives me more pleasure than you can imagine. And how do I know? Well, because one year, my family celebrated Festivus. What follows is a cautionary tale of anger, redemption, and triumph. more...
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In the name of GAOTU, Agent Jones declares that everyone get a bunch of bananas on January 12.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 02, 2005 06:29 AM (fLJDr)
November 10, 2005
The New Red Crystal
Next month, representatives from 192 signatories to the Geneva Conventions are scheduled to meet to discuss adding a new emblem to represent the Red Cross and Red Crescent organizations. The new emblem is called the "Red Crystal."
Red Cross - Red Crescent - Red Crystal
The Swiss government is attempting to introduce the new emblem for use by national groups that reject the current Red Cross or Red Crescent. The Red Crystal would have no national, religious, or cultural connotations.
Red Cross - Red Crescent - Red Crystal
The Swiss government is attempting to introduce the new emblem for use by national groups that reject the current Red Cross or Red Crescent. The Red Crystal would have no national, religious, or cultural connotations.
If adopted, it's believed the new emblem would also clear the way for Israel's membership. However, despite the good intentions of the Swiss, I'm convinced that Israel's membership won't occur easily and without controversy.
All that said, my thinking is that the new emblem looks more like a red square or a red diamond, not a red crystal.
[Update 11/11/05]
Interestingly, the geniuses in Geneva might want to consider the fact that the 'Red Crystal' is already being used as a firing range target. Sporting the 'Red Crystal' emblem in the confusion of battle could be a problem.
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They're spending money for a meeting this size (192 countries represented) for this????
Posted by: hondo at November 11, 2005 01:06 AM (Jvmry)
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Just put everyone under red "cross". It's just a +, not a â€Â
Posted by: A Finn at November 11, 2005 02:35 AM (cWMi4)
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As a lifelong practising Crystaldelphian I strongly object to this blatant misappropriation of our Holy Crystal symbol.
Posted by: Warner at November 11, 2005 03:30 AM (AqxHg)
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Good point, hondo. Did you read the part: "Eritrea has had long and difficult discussions on whether to choose the cross or the crescent,...."
Whew! Long and difficult? Eritrea has much bigger problems to discuss than that.
Now everyone has to change their stationery.
Posted by: Oyster at November 11, 2005 05:10 AM (YudAC)
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I wouldn't be suprised if that crappy looking "red crystal" was designed by a delegate's 5 year old on the back of a TGI Friday's napkin.
If the Israelis do have to adopt it to join, the high contrast white center of the crystal gives the terrorists a convenient x-ring of sorts to group their shots in. I guess a red bullseye was considered, but was rejected for being too obvious.
Posted by: Graeme at November 11, 2005 06:05 AM (ZKZ0y)
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Maybe it's not too politically astute to call it the red square:-)
Posted by: Mrs Aginoth at November 11, 2005 08:01 AM (cZrVc)
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Hey, at least they didn't choose the Red Star, which I find utterly surprising.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 11, 2005 12:19 PM (0yYS2)
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Red Square is close enough!
Posted by: slickdpdx at November 11, 2005 01:28 PM (MjGRu)
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It's called going butts up to the wogs.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 15, 2005 02:06 PM (ZaAd/)
October 24, 2005
PC Gone MAD
What is it about today? In keeping with todayÂ’s theme of stuff thatÂ’s just too stupid to believe.
Now Major league Baseball is upset with new ads for milk.
Yahoo News:The latest "Got Milk?" commercial hit a little too close to home for Major League Baseball. Poking fun at the league's steroid scandal, the television ad for the California Milk Processor Board talks about a player getting pulled from a game "after testing positive for a performance-enhancing substance."
No eating if you enjoy it.
Imummb twobin boo swtuwfmm mua fawce mwusph owf uwpthet thombomby.
Classical Values:Worst of all from this point of view are those more uncivilized forms of eating, like licking an ice cream cone... This doglike feeding, if one must engage in it, ought to be kept from public view,
War on Christmas.
FOXNEWS:No Santa, no Christmas carols, no red and green, no merry Christmas. It's not illegal, though amateur constitutional lawyers in positions of local power often think separation of church and state requires them to ban or banish Christmas. They are wrong.
In another striking example of tolerance see last weeks riot against Christians in Egypt were a young follower of the religion of Peace stabs a nun. DonÂ’t you feel like a big man now you stabbed a Nun.
BBC:On Wednesday, a Muslim man stabbed a nun in protest at the sale of a DVD of the play, staged at the church in 2003
Hat Tip IOERR
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Copts remained the majority in Egypt for centuries after the 7th Century conquest of the country by Muslim armies.
Nowadays, they complain of discrimination in the workplace, restrictions on church construction and periodic fears that Christians are being forced to convert by Islamic extremists.
but can they still use piggy banks, and keep winnie the pooh, and piglet on display?
Posted by: dave at October 24, 2005 05:45 PM (CcXvt)
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Yeah and the CALFORNIA DAIRY COUNCIL being sued by those jerks at PETA over the HAPPY COW ads it prove that only a real jerk would have anything to do with PETA and the PC nonsense
Posted by: sandpiper at October 24, 2005 08:54 PM (swaoX)
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It's not about 'being forced to convert', it's not that bad, but as a religious minority, life isn't always easy for them either. The latest on the Alexandria riots: http://missmabrouk.blogspot.com
Posted by: Ritzy Mabrouk at October 25, 2005 05:38 AM (MN+RL)
October 14, 2005
Politically Correct Homecoming
(St. Cloud, Minnesota) In order to exhibit appropriate diversity and tolerance, St. Cloud State University (SCSU) has eliminated the selection and crowning of a homecoming king and queen. Henceforth, SCSU students will vote for homecoming 'royalty' consisting of two gender non-specific people. [As an aside, it's not absolutely clear that the homecoming royalty has to be human.]
The change will prevent a recurrence of the confusion experienced last year when a male student, Fue Khang, was selected as queen of the homecoming celebration. It would be embarrassing to have another Fue Khang queen.
SCSU has traditions and history dating back over 130 years and part of that past is the yearly homecoming celebration. Sadly, without a king and queen, homecoming will never be the same. Chalk up a victory for political correctness which has successfully attacked another tradition and forced SCSU, as an institution, to reject a part of its history.
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PC continues to attack every institution in this country, regardless of how benign it is, undermining the very fabric of who we are at every level.
Posted by: Oyster at October 14, 2005 06:39 AM (YudAC)
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The madness continues unabated! It will only end when conservatives decide to go back into the education profession in greater numbers.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 14, 2005 10:02 AM (rUyw4)
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Good God Girdy,How stupid can we get?
Posted by: Howie at October 14, 2005 10:50 AM (D3+20)
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Every time I say liberals need to all be taken out and shot, it sounds a little less crazy, doesn't it?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 14, 2005 11:05 AM (0yYS2)
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IM,
I agree. Just make them take one last stroll into an open field and put them out of our misery.
Posted by: Carlos at October 14, 2005 12:07 PM (8e/V4)
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I await the day with giddy anticipation.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 14, 2005 03:08 PM (0yYS2)
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Politcal correctness is so damn stupid i mean it so rediclous when they do with as not to offend some whinning jackasses i mean how long will it be before they demand we replace the BALD EAGLE with a dumb pink chicken or have THE AGE OF AQUARIUS as our national anthem or replace old glory witht he stupid rainbow flag of the gays and eco-freaks
Posted by: sandpiper at October 14, 2005 05:14 PM (AQZCQ)
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Not long sandpiper, not long at all.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 15, 2005 07:04 PM (0yYS2)
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My dad's solution for all sickos......dig a trench.......and shoot the bastards! He was in the Navy 20 years during WWII. The more I think about his solution...the more I agree with it!
Posted by: rumoret at October 16, 2005 11:05 PM (Y1HQm)
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