1 Yeah, deporting will work sooooo well, especially since we don't have a long, porous border that nobody is bother to guard...

2 good point IM but it's better than letting them stand that and preach our destruction on our own soil. Over the ocean in a used zodiac in August might be a better way.

3 Let me take that back send em in August from the South and in Jan from the north.

4 Since Islam is a political doctrine as well as religion, can a truly devout Muslim truthfully take the oath of citizenship in the USA and mean it? Of course, people used to ask this about Catholics, and it was just as stupid then.

5 How about we just kill them instead? Muslims are vermin and must be exterminated for the good of humanity. Also, fuck off, Matt, muslims can only be trusted when they're six feet under.

6 I am deeply ashamed to see humans who are as ignorant as you people. I can clearly see that your words reflect true knowledge and understanding of the world. Yeah Right!! , You think you know others, you think you can judge others, are you sure? What do you know about Islam? of course you just know what your News agencies feed you, and what your books tell you, all written and directed by people as ignorant as yourselves who only choose to look in one direction only, people who would close their ears and starts blabbering loudly when someone tells you something against what you know or think you know. Well, there are some people, who consider themselves muslims, whome are really terrorists. As there are Christians and jews who are terrorists "but i think you choose not to look that way" (well sorry for you), but does that make all muslims BAD, or terrorists or whatever you think you know about Islam? I think the only chance you and other people can live in peace is when you choose to come out of your shell and try to know the other. Maybe then you would understand right from wrong, and maybe then you would not make any stupid mistakes which youd eventually backfire on you. Maybe when you know muslims, trust them, and let them trust you, you would be able to see clearly who the real terrorists are. Maybe if you truely look into islam you will know that it is the closest to what you think is democracy rather than terrorism. Someone once said that Ignorance is bliss, well for you people, ignorance is self destruction. Have a nice day Folks, and i hope you take off this dark veil off your faces, the veil which prevents you from seeing reality.

7 Well, Steven M., it appears that you think everybody is ignorant except you and other Muslims. If being ignorant means that I don't strap bomb belts on myself or anyone else, if it means nobody has been murdered to preserve my family's honor, if it means that all cartoon parodies are acceptable, and if it means that women are people with elemental human rights as opposed to being property, then I'll be ignorant. In the meantime, you can shove it.

8 Hey Steven, you can take your whiney liberal hand-wringing and shove it up your ass. Your only choice for the future is to live under the just rule of conservatives, or the tyrannical rule of muslims, if you don't get your head chopped off along the way, that is. Personally, I hope to meet many like you when the war comes, because our society has enough women, and ball-less males like you need to be taken out of the gene pool. Now go cry about the dolphins, you little punk-ass bitch.

9 Well here you are at it again. Thanks mike because you showed great knowledge of islam. Is that what they feed you man? I am really sorry for you, believe me i am. Is that what you think islam really is? Suicide Bombers? Killers? and freaks? Where do you get all those ideas from? Oh and who said that women are with minimal rights? Who for Gods Sake? DO you know that islam condemns killing others? especially women, children, and old people. Do you KNOW that it is forbidden to rob and destroy other people's cities and villages if an islamic army takes over that city? Do you KNOW that prosecuting a person who have commited Adultery should only happen if the islamic all the people of a certain coutry are abiding by the Islamic Law by all aspects, and that there is no such thing as honor killing in the true islamic religeon? I guess you do NOT know. Do you know that in Islam women have more rights than men, and that these benifits are devided equally among all the aspects of the daily life? Do you know that some stupid laws in islamic countries against women are wrong and that they are actually a product of inherited traditons which has no link to islam? And concerning the fact that muslims get pissed at some ignorant ass hole who makes fun of someone who is valuable to them, well don't people fight with each other if someone cursed the other's mother, wife or father. Don't people fight when someone bothers somone else's girlfriend, or make fun of them or of what they belive. Did Islam intrude on these so called artists? Did Muslims draw Jesus, Moses, or any other religeous figure in a bad manner or made fun of them? no, because islam respects all prophets, and religeous icons, even if Muslims do not agree with their beliefs or ways of life. And if there were some people who say they are muslims and do terrible things which islam condemns, is it Islam's fault. If you choose to look in one direction, and if you choose to condemn islam, is it Islam's fault? Well believe what you choose to belive, it's your right, but do not go on saying things about others without knowing if what you are saying is true or not, it is not a quality which a 21st century, educted, and civilized human should have. Oh and thank you both Mike and Improbulus, especially improbulus for your nice words, they reflect the level from which you speak out of. Have a nice day.

10 Democracy in the Middle East is a valid project and can help but we can’t let up on other Arab nations when it comes to rights. This I think is where left and right can come together. I you can’t quite bring yourself to speak out about the fact that religion drives most of these problems you should still fight the lack of civil rights in these nations on a purely political level. None of these countries has a leg to stand on as far as civil rights. The democracies we are establishing may help as they can change faster. If Islamist parties are going to rise to more power we have to call them on these issues. More of a “Warm War” doctrine I think. With the same cold war ideas of containment and push for civil rights and freedom. . Expose them on a political lever. Have some balls for god’s sake. I know it’s not the best post I ever wrote and I really didn’t like it when I read it either. But what I’ve seen recently is we have some issues up front. Dissidents and lack of religious freedoms, bad treatment of women and economic problems. If we don’t watch it we might all come together here. So those issues I try to bring up. You can’t just blow it off as a struggle against a few nut’s you have to pursue it as an ideological fight rivaling the cold war. I knew it wasn’t the best thing I ever wrote but I didn’t have time to change it(AGSPMCS). Who knows, maybe I’ll get rusty his Fatwa?

11 Stephen M, what a brainwashed idiot you are. I just got through watching a hare-brained imam saying that all women should have to submit to female circumcision. What kind of dark ages crap is this? And you expect to be taken seriously. Please, use your brain before you talk for God's sake. And the prophet you are so proud of raped the wife of a Jew he had just had murdered and put her in his harem. And he took a six-year old for a wife? and raped her when she was nine. But he is your hero. Go figure. No, I have no respect for Islam, it is a vicious cult stuck in the Dark Ages and deserves the disrespect it has earned for the rape, murder, looting, plunder, slavery, head chopping and I don't know how many other crimes committed against humanity, especially Hindus, Buddists, and Christians. You should be ashamed to be a Muslim. Shame, shame, shame. 80 million Hindus slaughtered, 25 million Buddists murdered, 10 million Christians enslaved with another 8 million murdered, Eastern Europe depopulated, North Africa destroyed, the Christian Middle East conquered and destroyed, Anatolia destoyed and depopulated of Christians, Spain and France attacked with thousands killed and enslaved, Italy invaded , ALL PRIOR TO THE CRUDADES, and I could go on and on. What do YOU have to say about all of these atrocities? And still they go on. We all await your answer.

12 I hate to disappoint you dude but i am strongly sure you are wrong. sorry for you. What in God's name was that you are talking about in the first 2 paragraphs? where did you get that from? Did you get that from a Muslim, a book about islam written by muslims? coz if you take muslims to be the vicious creatures you are talking about they should be proud of what you say, and then it will be in many of their referances. Are you sure the things mentioned in the second paragraph were not written or told to you by someone just like you who hates islam and is blinded by his/her hate? Come on man Grow UP. Can't tou even make a proper research. Should i hate the jews because of what the nazis said about them? what's wrong with some people? For your own sake t knight when you want to judge someone or make a point about something research various sources and ask many people, coz getting information from people just like you won't do you any good, it would make you look dumber. And by the way how can true muslims do what their religeon condemns? slaughtering? killing? raping? what the hell? Are Muslims invading other countries for no apparent reason? are Muslims planning to rob other's of their countries wealths? Are Muslims making fun of other people's beliefs? are Muslims playing judges in other people's internal affairs? are Muslims occupying other people's lands? are Muslims afraid that other nations would be powerful enough to have their own ideas heard by the world? are Muslims preventing others from having weapons while they have enormous weapon arsinals which can destroy the earth a few times in a row? are Muslims Destroying other people's houses and sacred places because they suspect there are weapons hidden there? Do Muslims sell weapons to two counries and make them fight while they try to take control of the region? Do Muslims treat other's in their countries like they were shit and non human? and a thousand other questions? heh, but i suppose they mean shit to you, right!? Well once again if you are gonna choose to look in one direction and one direction only it is your problem to Islam's. Thanks

13 No when so called Mulsims destroy mosques and buildings and sacred places why do they do that. So go fight for those people for their rights. For their secular rights that religion be put in it's place. Nice to see you so upset about it.

14 Pot. Kettle. Black. Christians and Muslims take turns going apeshit and murdering Jews, atheists, and assorted "heretics. Watching them point fingers at each other is funny and sad at the same time.

15 I think you should answer that to yourslef, you just wrote it there in your comment. can a muslim who destroyes a mosque in the first place "without going deeper into the list" be a muslim? oh and "so called" is a very wise word. like "self proclaimed" so is it islam's fault if some nutcase says he is a muslim and kills someone? or isn't Christianity's fault if some christian did the same? or the jew's problem if some jewish nutcase did the same? And who informed you that Islam and the islamic nations are not trying their best to stop such people? well sorry but you seem deeply brainwashed. you are just so filled with hate that you are blinded, maybe you should be a terrorist of some sort, it seems to suit your personality.

16 Hey Steven, does your muslim boyfriend even shower before you fellate him, or do you prefer him au natural, man-musk and all?

17 well Improbulus Maximus, you seem not worth talking to. I won't go as steep as you. sorry but i am not an animal, but hey it seems to suit you. grow up

18 Stephen, you stupid fool. What I quoted you is known history all over the World. What kind of stupid brainwashed fool are you? Are you so stupid you have not heard of the Hindu Kush mountain range? Are you so stupid that you do not know that Hindu Kush means Hindu slaughter? Are you so stupid that you are unaware of what Muhmud of Ghanzi did to the Hindus? These events were recorded by ISLAMIC WRITERS AND HISTORIANS al-Utbi, secretary to Mahmud and later by Ferishta. Are you so ignorant to have no knowledge of these men and the recording of the slaughter of the Hindus? Please do not call anyone un-educated when you know nothing but what you learn in madrass. I could go on, but my point is proved. Muslims should be shamed by the murders and crimes against humanity they have done. Shame on all Muslims. They now can find out these things but they cling to stupidity of the past. This Improbulus Maximus guy may be right, you Muslims wish to destroy the entire World if you do not get your way.

19 r4d20, Only a complete ignorance of history can excuse such an outrageous statement.

20 Steven, I hope we meet some day, but since we probably won't, I hope you die in the next terrorist attack by your beloved muslims. You are a piece of shit traitor and deserve to die on the end of a rope at best.

21 Bully if you don't call them to account where is the pressure to change? If you don't call these nations to change WTF are you doing. Ignoring rights all over the world. But steveo here thinks they should have the right to murder Christians because hey it's their nation and all that America fights for the little guy stuff it's all about tolerance now. We liberals just don't believe in core American values any more. We are going to support these nations rights to oppress right up until we find ourself oppres by them and all the people they oppress well "Screw Them". As long as I've got tater chips I'm happy. We are going to attack those who will fight for even our freedom and take the threats serious. In other words we SUCK!!!! Communism is OK Stalin, Castro, Mao was just a few nuts. Talk like that would have won the cold war sure it would. Dumbass. I would have thought liberals would seize on these human rights issues and push every one becuase it's their place. But no they don't believe in their own bullshit any more. FDR is turning over in his Grave.

22 Templar, you ought to review your history more carefully man. Sure the Hindu Kush mountain area had witnessed many massacres of indian people but did the muslims do all the fighting and killing in that area? Alexander the GREAT? (non Muslim) 327 B.C. , Timur Lane?(non Muslim) 1398 A.D. , killed up to 1000,000 indians. then the Mughal emperor Akbar (non Muslim), killed around 30,000 indians, and of course then comes Mahmoud of Ghanzi in 1001 A.D. who of course fought and killed many indians. So we choose to just look at Mahmoud of Ghanzi because he is ategorized as a turkish Muslim. Oh and by the way why does the indian government forbids talking about this era, and why do indian historians say that the Islamic Indian conflict is just a part of the british policy of "divide and rule"? well of course in your openion the indians are not fighting for their own rights, maybe they need your democracy and freedom fighters to help them right? and speaking of the British, well didn't they massacre Indians? or is that just the figment of someone's imagination. Maybe the inidans made that up. oh but the british are civilized, how can they do that? So we chose to ignore other historical aspects and direct our hate towards one brand of people. They did all the killing and bad things in hitory you would shout with your ears closed. We do not do anything wrong, we always have a reason but other, others are evil you would say. What about the massacres the crusader did? oh if they did, you would think, they should have had a good reason!!! right? What about killing most of those native americans? were those not massacres? What about invading others countries then trying to change their history and rearranging the maps in those regions? all for a good cause? What about shooting and killing muslims praying in a mosque? not a massacre? and on , and on , and on ..... But sure, the nazis chose to look in one direction, and thought they were the best there is and that they should kill everyone else, they chose to listen to each other coz that was more comfortable, they had their good reasons right? well some are doing the same nowadays and they are no better that those SOB nazis, so go on branding people and making stereotypes, go on let your hate blind you, and when you read a historical fact just choose what suits you, coz you can't be mistaken but others can, right?

23 Timurlane was a Muslim, Steve. Mahmud of Ghanzi led 17 expeditions into India over a 26 year period that basically destroyed the Hindus, killing 10's of millions. What most people object so much about Mahmud was his murder and enslavement and ill treatment of the Hindus, who died in the millions. The other conquerors had not tried to destroy the culture of the Hindus and Buddists. The other conquerors did not lay waste to the Hindu places of worship, or destroy the Buddist temples. It was the sheer numbers killed by Mahmud that boggle the mind. And then we have Muhammed of Ghor. I'm with the templar knight here, Steve. You Muslims are known throughout your history as destroyers of everything in a culture, including places of worship. Steve, you are supporting a return to the Dark Ages with these lies. You need to wake up before it is too late. Free your mind from this darkness.

24 To Steve, The Indian Government not wants to talk about Muslim murderers because they know you will start the murders again. They afraid of you Muslims because they know you for murderers of thousands of years. No other people who came to India and conquered, even the British, killed Hindus and Buddists like Muslims did. And they did not destroy temples and places of worship. Steve, you are either stupid or else stupid imam trying to cover crimes of Muslims. You cannot succeed because whole world knows the crimes you have committed and you keep committing them. Don't try to excuse your crimes by pointing out crimes of others. Their crimes were bad, too, but the Muslims surpass everyone, even Monguls, for their brutality. Shame on Muslims. Shame of you, Steve. Admit your crimes, and try to change Islam, or you and it will destroy the World. Is that what you want, Steve, to destroy World?

25 Hi there everyone, cool it a bit will ya Well to give it to you streight, i think both parts lie sometimes with respect to historical events, and after sometime hundreds of versions of the same story comes out, so i believe its no good to take such stuff as solid truth. I happen to travel around a lot, and i've been to some islamic countries so many times. and i for one who had my fears and doubts, and hate. I still have some of those, but i have to say sometimes we do judge others by our point of view only. for instance before going to some islamic countries i had some frightening ideas and i was about to quit at the last minute. but boy was i surprised. What i saw were somewhat modern cities, with educated people, i did not even see a single camel (stupid me). They have everything we have. And they practice their religeon by the book. in many countries Christians and muslims are friends, they go out together, work together, and even marry in some cases. But that is not what mostly surprised me. What did is that they know about us more than we know about them. They speak our language, read our books, watch our movies, tv series, talk shows, they even watch cnn and fox news. They use our software, visit our websites, and most of all they are open to have international friends. Meanwhile they pray and fast, and do all required tasks. We had many debates on various occasions but no one hated me or threatened me in any way. and eventhough - like us - they have some dangerous areas, tough neighborhoods, and even the fanatics and maniacs. But that is not totally different from many gangs, cults, and clans we have. I think that our only flaw is that we do not know them as much as they know us. Something in me hates to admit that maybe, but as one of the commentors pointed out, we do not hear their version of the story. Most of us do not speak their language or read their books, or watch their movies or even have the courage to visit their countries. Many of us, and i know some people, even hate to have muslim friends or even have a chat or debate with any of them. And i truely believe that our hate and misunderstanding is the key element which drives many of them to hate us in return.

26 Dan B., This is your major problem. You are a stooge for Muslim. With the Muslim, it is always someone else's fault. Never Muslim fault that he slaughters millions. They don't believe right, they worship many gods, kill them and destroy their temples. Who picked on Muslim when he came out of desert? Was he attacked in Arabia or did he attack in Syria, No. Africa, Spain, Anatolia, Persia, Afghanistan, India and I go on and on. It's always kill the unbeliever, kill the infidel, destroy the worshiper of many gods, rape, kill, loot, plunder, and all because that book koran say kill non-believer. No other book says that. What other religion believes that? No, Dan, you are fool if you believe the Muslim. When they lie to infidel, it is ok in their book, koran. It says to lie, plunder, and kill infidel. Shame on all Muslims. Until they change, they are danger to destroy world. Shame on you, Dan, for helping them.

27 Tell you what Steveo you get your ass out there and stop all the stuff you just mentioned and credited to a few crazy nuts or else put a damn big dent in it and I’ll STFU. Otherwise kiss my ass. I think it’s the evil cult doctrine that creates the nuts. Yeah they may be poor and a bit nutty to start with but it takes something else to get them there. They don’t yell, “allahua akbar!” by coincidence! If Islam is the religion of peace it has to be held to standard. Show me! These Arab governments including those we support like Afghanistan and Iraq have to be held to that standard. Show me! Get with it Steveo! I expect a full report when you get that all done. We can’t give Islam and it’s influence a political pass just because it’s a religion. Tolerance is a good thing not that Islams teaches tolerance much. But tolerance only goes so far. If you really believe in tolerance I think you have to fight intolerance. To tolerate violence and intolerance in the name of tolerance that’s criminal. Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil.

28 Steevo and to that the bad things in the stevo mentions is just what my fifth grader does. Oh but so and so was so much worse. Christianity does have a violent history but over time the way I see it evil has a way of running inot problems when it come to the words of Jesus Christ. Bad things do happen but over time they are exposed as evil. We become more like Him. Not perfect but look at our blessing vs yours. If this was not gods will how can it be. It must be you are failing to please God. I'm not so sure that if you really compare Muhammads words to the terrorists and others intolerance it would conflict all tht much. How can you move away from it when your "prophet" calls for it. At least christians have an example that over time should lead to peace and not by killing he rest either.

29 Steven is merely typical of the brainwashed libtard who is willing to excuse muslim atrocities committed today and tomorrow by referring to something that Christians or even pre-Christians did hundreds or even thousands of years ago. He is a parasite on civilization and should go live with his beloved muslims, where they can train him to blow himself up in the presence of women and children.

30 IM, I'm pretty sure he is a Muslim posting under a Christian name. Spreading propaganda is his job. He is probably from India or Malaysia, and is a wanna-be jihadist. That is my opinion.

31 Let me tell you a few things about islam: 1- When muslims used to invade other countries and/or villages, and i mean in the time of the prophet, and when the islamic religeon was spplied in all its aspects, the muslims were not alowed to kill women, children or old people, pluse anyone who was not directly fighting them. 2- the muslims were not allowed to destroy other people's holy places. They did not help in rebuilding any holy places of other religeons but they were not allowed to destroy them or mess with them. And they did not deny people from other religeons to practice their beliefs. 3- In the Hadith and the Quran there are rules to treat the hostages. And muslims are not allowed to humiliate, torture, or kill their hostages. They were asked if they wanted to convert to Islam, and were given the right to choose. 4- The Quran strictly says, that the choice of choosing religeon can't be imposed on anyone, it is the person's choice and his or her choice only. 5- The prophet had Jewish and Christian neighbours, and all stories speak of a good relationship between them. 6- Women used to work, travel, and even fight alongside men if needed. But islam says that women are biologically and psychologically more capable to educating, rasing a family, guiding, thus they are advised to have such chores in life. 7- Islam strictly forbids self termination, or suicide in other words. And the one killing oneself is not considered a muslim. Unless the person is crazy, or lacks the right state of mind to prevent him or hereself from doing that, and/or if the person do not know that this is wrong. 8- The prophet was hit and humiliated from some people, and when his friends asked if they should kill these people, he said no. Maybe someday they would find the right way. 9- Islam says that all other religeons are true and they, like islam are a blessing from God to humanity, but these religeons were changed over time, and many people wrote alongside the true words of got, and that man's words are not perfect so the religeons lost their purity with the passage of time. 10- Islam preaches that muslims should be ready to frighten the nonbelievers in case they threaten islam. 11- Islam says that everyperson has logic and can destenguish right from wrong. No one should be forced to become muslim. But muslims should tell people about their religeon in the most civilized ways, and leave them the choice to decide. Because it is the muslim's job to help others know the truth. and that is a form of love, because when you love someone you would direct them to what you think is best for them. 12- Islam condems any kind of torture to oneself or others, even to one's enemies. 13- Muslims are even preached by the hadith and Quran not to lie, even if it was to their enemies. They are also taught to be honest and stand with the oppressed against the opressor even if the oppressed was a non muslim, and even if they should stand agains another muslim. 14- Islam prohibits muslims from alcohol, any from of drugs, nonmarita sex, and gambling. because these, even if minimally allowed, would affect the society in a while and cause major prolems to people. 15- In islam killing someone else, if not in a battle, or if not prosecuted for a crime, would cause the killer to go to hell. 16- Muslims are taught to help whome ever is in need even if that was a non muslim. Here is a general view of islam coming form a muslim, born and raised. How can islam be so savage if it preaches such things? And if you would tell me that what i just said was not part of islam or if you said that this was not the general idea, then you are wrong or you do not know what islam really is. If some maniacs pause as muslims, if they are arabs, or speak arabic, or if they know some verses of the quran, or if they act like they know. Does that indicate that they are muslims. I have many Chrisitan Friends, and i know how christians pray and what they say and, if i go act like a chiristian and kill someone in the name of christianity or if i said that i was defending christianity in some way would that make me a christian, and is the christian religeon to be blamed. If some priests are homosexual or if a priest rapes a nun then kills her, does that mean that christianity preches such stuff?

32 Said if you notice pissing people off is kind of a theme around here. So excuse me but you arejust tehy guy were looking for. If Islam is all you say and you want to make it seen that way by more people. Personally I would nver consider it cause well above stuff. But you you have the power. You can make it that way. Stop them they shame you more than I. No I cannot belive that most Muslims approve of even slightly the behavior and deeds of terrorists or even the treatment of Christians or others in their home nation. But how am I going to get your attention any other way? Fix it you dropped the ball you tolerate it. Fix it now. Don't leave it all to us to fight and die for your problems. Have no doubt we will but it's your problems and don't give me all the it's the joooooos and the Stinking Drunken Irish Americans. Nope your ass made it now pick it up.

33 Have any of you met a muslim? I've been to Muslim countries (Turkey, Egypt and Malaysia) and I talked to so many Muslims. I am still very good friends with one Muslim man and I talk to him often about Islam and the prejudice against it. Women are seen as precious and fragile and they VALUE all life. Actualy the Islamic belief's are almost identicle to Christianity. Only main differences are that Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet not the sun of god, they pray 5 times a day and onle of the five Pillars of Islam is to give alms. I know it's hard to know what to believe with the media and politicians being so crammed full of shit but try not to be so prejudice. Go Steve!

34 Neocon pundits malign American Muslims: All faiths must face their demons These shameless attempts by Gaffney, Mowbary, and Pipes to malign mainstream Muslim organizations and leaders are not driven by rational and objective considerations, but by paranoia, prejudice, and irrational fear of Islam and Muslims, says Louay Safi. Three militant neocon pundits spoke vehemently against the Bush administration’s gesture to include American Muslim leaders in discussions on how to deal with the rising tide of anti-Americanism and to restore the level of trust and support the United States enjoyed prior to the missteps the administration took under the neocons’ urging. Frank Gaffney issued a warning to Karen Hughes, the newly appointed Undersecretary of State for Public Diplomacy, demanding that she does not attend the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) Convention. Ignoring the false alarm he set in a recent op-ed piece in the Washington Times, Ms. Hughes met with Muslim leaders and discussed her ideas for bridging the deepening divide between the United States and Muslim countries. Gaffney told Hughes point bank: “Don’t go there.” Joel Mowbary, another neocon who is apparently more aware of the tactics of misinformation, gave her the benefit of the doubt, allowing her to make one mistake for one time: “Given that it is highly unlikely Hughes knew exactly what she was walking into, she deserves the benefit of the doubt—this time” Gaffney belongs to a small but vocal group of militant pundits, driven by deep seated hate of Islam and Muslims, and bent on maligning Muslim leaders and organizations in a bid to marginalize and isolate mainstream American Muslims. Gaffney joined two other well known Muslim Bashers, Daniel Pipes and Joel Mowbary, in demonizing ISNA and the leaders of the national Muslim organizations that met Ms. Hughes. Utilizing several conservative publications, including the Washington Times, the trio levelled serious allegations against mainstream Muslim organizations, accusing them of supporting terrorism and promoting radicalism. Using quotes taken out of context, guilt by association, errors of fact, and innuendo, the group has been active in feeding lies to the public and inciting government officials and law enforcement agencies to conduct investigations, and then use these investigations as a basis for further maligning law-abiding and patriot American Muslims. Pipes accused , last year, the Center for the Study of Islam and Democracy (CSID) of being “part of the militant Islamist lobby," and contended that it was “well-disguised, and has brought in all the Islamist trends, giving them a patent of respectability." After conducting a thorough investigation of Pipes’s accusations, the United States Institute of Peace (USIP) issued a statement that brought out the irresponsible nature of Pipes’s attacks. “The Institute was aware of and took seriously the accusations made against CSID and some of the speakers at the event,” Kay King, the director of Congressional and Public Affairs at USIP wrote. “These allegations were investigated carefully with credible private individuals and U.S. government agencies,” she went on, “and found to be without merit. The public criticism of CSID and the speakers was found to be based on quotes taken out of context, guilt by association, errors of fact, and innuendo.” Gaffney, likewise, used misinformation and error of fact to justify his demands that the Bush administration isolate the most inclusive and mainstream Muslim convention. He contended, in a recent article, that the Senate Finance Committee “listed ISNA as one of 25 American Muslim organizations that ‘finance terrorism and perpetuate violence.’" He, however, failed to disclose that the Finance Committee never found ISNA guilty of such allegations and that his reference relates to a letter sent by the committee chairman and the ranking member on December 22, 2003, asking the IRS to investigate Muslim charities for possible links to terrorist financing. 18 months have lapsed since February 20, 2004, the deadline set for the investigation, with no action, or even a congressional hearing conducted by the Finance Committee on the matter. Mowbary, employing the same tactic of half-truths, quotes taken out of context, and innuendo, cited a Freedom House study that found Saudi publications in twelve mosques—out of 3500 throughout the country—that made bigoted references to followers of other religions. What Mowbary omits is the fact that the Freedom House, responding to complaints by American Muslim leaders of the misleading nature of the report title, stressed that their study was intended to uncover the bigotry of the Saudi publications, and was never intended to implicate US mosques. The Freedom House went a step further and invited two of ISNA leaders to a meeting for consultation on its report and to explore the question of religious extremism. These shameless attempts by Gaffney, Mowbary, and Pipes to malign mainstream Muslim organizations and leaders are not driven by rational and objective considerations, but by paranoia, prejudice, and irrational fear of Islam and Muslims. Such irrational and emotional anti-Muslim postures can only confuse the pubic and confound the fight on terrorism with the fight on Islam, and hence plays to the hands of the anti-American pundits who thrive on the missteps, and counterproductive actions and postures, urged by Gaffney and his ilk. Mainstream American Muslims have already taken a principled and firm position against the senseless killings of unarmed and defenseless civilians. But their ability to succeed in drying the swamp of extremism that feeds into terrorist attacks can only succeed if the Jewish and Christian communities confront their bigots and extremists, and dry the ponds of bigotry in their midst. It is heartening to realize that most Americans are able to see through the militant pundits’ paranoia and bigotry, as Karen Hughes has amply demonstrated when she ignored the false alarm they set off on the eve of her meeting with Muslim leaders during ISNA convention.

35 The above comments are just further proof that the sooner we start hanging the liberals and muslims, the better. I hope the inevitable comes soon, because there are a lot of pissed people right now, and the time is just about right to clean house.

36 Neoconned obviously disregarded that Muslim verse that forbids the partaking of alcohol and drugs.

37 How "Jewish" Zionists like you Fuel Hostility to Muslims Flemming Rose, the "cultural editor" of the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten decided to publish 12 provocative and inflammatory cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad - including one in which the Prophet is shown wearing a turban shaped as a bomb with a burning fuse, the International Herald Tribune reported on December 31, 2005. The Danish newspaper was unprepared for the global furor which was provoked by the cartoons. The offensive cartoons resulted in demonstrations in Kashmir, death threats against the artists, condemnation and rebukes from 11 Muslim countries and the United Nations. "The cartoons did nothing that transcends the cultural norms of secular Denmark, and this was not a provocation to insult Muslims," Flemming Rose, cultural editor of Jyllands-Posten, Denmark's largest newspaper, said, rather disingenuously. Rose and the paper have refused to apologize for publishing the drawings. "But if we talk of freedom of speech, even if it was a provocation, that does not make our right to do it any less legitimate before the law," Rose said in an interview from Miami, where he has fled to escape the publicity after living under police protection in Denmark. But Rose acknowledges that even his liberalism has its limits. He said he would not publish a cartoon of Israel's Ariel Sharon strangling a Palestinian baby, since that could be construed as "racist." He would, however, publish a cartoon poking fun at Moses or one of Jesus drinking a pint of beer. Now why would Rose refuse to publish a cartoon depicting Ariel Sharon, a known war-criminal and genocidaire, strangling a Palestinian baby? Why would such a cartoon, correct and accurate in its depiction, be considered "racist" by Flemming Rose? Sharon has certainly been responsible for the murder of thousands of Palestinians during his time on this planet. He is a well-known war criminal. So, why would an Israeli war criminal be protected by Mr. Rose? Are we likely to see cartoons in Jyllands-Posten calling into question the force-fed Zionist myth of the Holocaust, which has become the new "Holy Cause" of Europe? Why should the criminal history of a Zionist leader or outstanding questions about the the Second World War be more protected than the worshipped prophet of one of the world's major religions?

38 Yeah but the Muslims who do value life always cut slack to those who don't. If thine eye offends thee pluck it out!

39 Zionist? Hey I don't much think about jooooos. I don't particulary like or dislike jooooos. Just people to me oh and they don't blow me up. I used to argue the palestinian side of the conflict at work all the time. That is until I watched the bastards dance in the streets over 9/11. as Kos says "Screw Em". See now what has UBL done for Islam but bring more suffering to Muslims and more doubt of Islam. Answer = Nothing.

40 Retard, good name, because you are retarded. Why do you believe in a Dark Ages cult like islam? Oh, you are retarded, you say so yourself. I forgot.

41 Believe It or Not: You were Born Muslim howie! What would you call a religion whose beliefs, practices and followers are being bashed and bad-mouthed in practically every sphere of activity, in almost every corner of the globe, yet it attracts ever-increasing numbers of people? A Paradox? A Miracle ? Or simply, The Truth: Islaam. The fact that Islaam is the fastest growing religion in the world today, is proof that our Creator has taken it upon Himself to perfect the Truth that He sent all His prophets and messengers with -- from Aadam [AS] to Muhammad [SAW]. Studies conducted in the West show that the sheer number of new Muslims is changing the demographic profile of countries all over the world, and not all of them are born into Muslim families. With some 6 million adherents in the United States, Islam is said to be the nation’s fastest-growing religion. One expert estimates that 25,000 people a year become Muslims in this country; some clerics say they have seen conversion rates quadruple since Sept 11. Ironically for a religion that is routinely bashed for “subjugating” and “oppressing” its female followers, the number of female reverts to Islaam outnumber the males 4:1! The fact that more and more people are finding their way to Islaam, notwithstanding the relentless propaganda, deliberate misinformation and outright prejudice against it, never ceases to amaze me. How do these people navigate in the darkness to find the light of Islaam in spite of all the obstacles in the way? The answer is that our Creator has granted each one of us a guiding light -- a pure, undefiled innate nature called the fitrah. Unlike Christians who believe in the doctrine of Original Sin and assert that each baby is born tainted with the sin of Adam’s disobedience to God, Muslims believe that every child is born into a state of purity where it recognizes its Creator and is naturally subservient to His laws. In his book The Fundamentals of Islaamic Monotheism, Abu Ameenah Bilaal Philips writes: Just as a child’s body submits to the physical laws which Allaah has put in nature, its soul also submits naturally to the fact that Allaah is its Lord and Creator. But its parents try to make it follow their own way and the child is not strong enough in the early stages of its life to resist or oppose its parents. The religion which the child follows at this stage is one of custom and upbringing and Allaah does not hold it to account for this religion. When the child matures in youth and clear proofs of the falsehood of its religion are brought to it, the adult must now follow the religion of knowledge and reason. At this point the devils try their best to encourage him to stay as he is or to go further astray. Evils are made pleasing to him and he must now live in the midst of a struggle between his innate pure nature and his desires in order to find the right road. If he chooses to follow his innate nature, his fitrah, Allaah will help him overcome his desires even though it may take most of his life to escape, for many people enter Islaam in their old age. The Qur’aan also points to this phenomenon, where every soul that has been created is asked Who their Lord is, and they testify that it is none other than Allaah before they are born into the world. When your Lord drew forth from the loins of the children of Aadam their descendants and made them testify concerning themselves. Saying: Am I not your Lord? They said: “Yes, we testify to it.” (This) in case you say on the Day of Judgement, “We were unaware of this.” Or in case you say: It was our ancestors who made partners (with Allaah) and we are only their descendants…[Surah Al-A’raaf 7:172-173] Explaining this verse, the Prophet [SAW] said: When Allaah created Aadam [AS] , He took a covenant from him …then He extracted from him all of his descendants who would be born until the end of the world, generation after generation and spread them out in front of Him in order to take a covenant from them. He spoke to them face to face saying: Am I not your Lord? And they all replied: Yes, we testify to it. Allaah then explained why He had all of mankind bear witness that He was their Creator and the only true God worthy of worship. He said: That was in case you (mankind) should say on the Day of Resurrection, “Surely we were unaware of all this. We had no idea that You were our God.” [Silsilah al ahadeeth as Saheehah, Narrated by ibn Abbaas, collected by Imaam Ahmad] This is the reason why people who adopt Islaam are said to revert instead of convert, because they are going back to their original nature -- the one they were naturally created with -- which is automatically aligned with the Universe, its Creator and His Laws; as opposed to simply exchanging one set of beliefs for another. Reverts to Islaam testify that this inner inclination to search for the Truth, to know and follow it is a major factor in their adopting the faith. It is interesting to see some of the reasons cited by reverts for adopting Islaam: Islaamic Monotheism “The Christian sect of Athanasians insistently inculcates the tenet that Christianity is based on a belief in three gods (Trinity), that a slightest doubt as to this belief will lead one to immediate perdition; and that a person who wishes to attain salvation in this world and the next should definitely hold a belief in the three gods: God, the Son of God, and the Holy Ghost. When I became a Muslim, I received a letter, which said: “By becoming a Muslim you have damned yourself to perdition. No one can save you. For you deny the divinity of God.” The poor man [who wrote that letter] thought that I no longer believed in God, not knowing that when Jesus had begun to preach, he stated the unity of God and he never claimed to be His son. [Lord Headley al-Farooq; British diplomat, engineer]

42 An answer for every question: “I would always search for causes and purposes for everything. I would anticipate logical explanations for them. On the other hand, the explanations provided by priests and other Christian men of religion did not satisfy me. Most of the time, instead of giving satisfactory answers to my questions, they would dismiss the matter with evasive prevarications such as, “We cannot understand these things. They are divine secrets” and “They are beyond the grasp of the human mind.” Upon this I decided to study, on the one hand, Oriental religions, and on the other hand, books written by famous philosophers. The books written by these philosophers always dealt with such subjects as protoplasms, atoms, molecules, and particles, and did not even touch on reflections such as “What becomes of the human soul?” “Where does the soul go after death?” “How should we discipline our souls in this world?” The Islamic religion, on the other hand, treated the human subject not only within the corporeal areas, but also along the spiritual extensions. Therefore, I chose Islam not because I had lost my way, or only because Christianity had incurred my displeasure, or as a result of sudden decision, but, on the contrary, after very minutely studying it and becoming thoroughly convinced about its greatness, singularity, solemnity and perfection [Muhammad Alexander Russell Webb; American diplomat, author] Direct relationship with one’s Creator: Now I realize I can get in direct contact with God, unlike Christianity or any other religion. As one Hindu lady told me, “You don't understand the Hindus. We believe in one God; we use these objects (idols) to merely concentrate.” What she was saying was that in order to reach God, one has to create associates, that are idols for the purpose. But Islam removes all these barriers. [Yusuf Islaam, formerly Cat Stevens] Universality: Islam is a religion that belongs not only to the Arabs but to the entire humanity. This universal quality presents a sharp contrast with the Judaic religion, whose holy book always refers to the God of Israel. One more thing that I love in Islam is that this religion recognizes all the prophets, makes no distinction between them and treats the believers of other religions with compassion. [Mahmud Gunnar Ahmad, Swedish Muslim] Absolute equality before God, extended brotherhood: There were tens of thousands of pilgrims, from all over the world. They were of all colors, from blue-eyed blondes to black-skinned Africans. But we were all participating in the same ritual, displaying a spirit of unity and brotherhood that my experiences in America had led me to believe never could exist between the white and non-white. America needs to understand Islam, because this is the one religion that erases from its society the race problem. Throughout my travels in the Muslim world, I have met, talked to, and even eaten with people who in America would have been considered white - but the white attitude was removed from their minds by the religion of Islam. I have never before seen sincere and true brotherhood practiced by all colors together, irrespective of their color. You may be shocked by these words coming from me. But on this pilgrimage, what I have seen, and experienced, has forced me to rearrange much of my thought-patterns previously held, and to toss aside some of my previous conclusions. This was not too difficult for me. Despite my firm convictions, I have always been a man who tries to face facts, and to accept the reality of life as new experience and new knowledge unfolds it. I have always kept an open mind, which is necessary to the flexibility that must go hand in hand with every form of intelligent search for truth. During the past eleven days here in the Muslim world, I have eaten from the same plate, drunk from the same glass, and slept on the same rug - while praying to the same God - with fellow Muslims, whose eyes were the bluest of blue, whose hair was the blondest of blond, and whose skin was the whitest of white. And in the words and in the deeds of the white Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that I felt among the black African Muslims of Nigeria, Sudan and Ghana. We were truly all the same (brothers) - because their belief in one God had removed the white from their minds, the white from their behavior, and the white from their attitude. [Letter written from Makkah, by Malcolm X]

43 Belief in the Qur’aan as Divine Revelation: I read as much of the Qur’aan as I could. I was immersed in it. As I read the verses in English, I repeated to myself over and over again, this is what I have always thought and believed. What kind of book was this? Before long I was reading the book and crying, and reading and crying... it was as if something had overtaken me... I forgot what I was looking for in particular, however when I came upon the verses in Surah Baqarah 122-141 regarding Prophet Ibrahim (AS) I had found my answer. I had been searching for Isma'il (as), son of Prophet Ibrahim and his wife Hajarah, who had been missing from the Hebrew brothers story. In those verses I found the truth of religion... They say: Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (to salvation). Say thou: Nay! (I would rather) the religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah. Say ye: We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) the Prophets from their Lord; We make no difference between one another of them: and we submit to Allah." (2:135-136) As I continued to read and cry, I became intent upon finding someone who could connect me with others who believed in this book! [K H Abdul Lateef, USA] The personal example of the Prophet Muhammad [SAW]: I accepted Islam because I admired the Prophet Muhammad.[SAW]. I had quite a number of Muslim friends in Zanzibar, who gave me Islamic books, which I read in secrecy from my family. I became a Muslim despite the remonstrances of my family and the oppressions of the priests of Parsee religion, which had been my religion until that time. I held fast to my religion and resisted against all sorts of threats. Now I love Allaah and His last Prophet Muhammad [SAW] more than my life [Faruq B Karai, Zanzibar] Islaam withstands scrutiny and encourages reasoning: Instead of asking a follower to believe in its precepts just ”because” or someone asks them to, Islaam encourages people to think for themselves, reflect on the signs of God in Creation and within their own selves. Little wonder then that a sizable number of reverts are thinking people: scientists, astronomers, philosophers, doctors. As created beings who can neither grant life nor ward off death, we owe it to ourselves and The One Who Created Us to discover the Truth, to follow it and to facilitate others to do the same.

44 Direct relationship with one’s Creator: Now I realize I can get in direct contact with God, unlike Christianity or any other religion. As one Hindu lady told me, “You don't understand the Hindus. We believe in one God; we use these objects (idols) to merely concentrate.” What she was saying was that in order to reach God, one has to create associates, that are idols for the purpose. But Islam removes all these barriers. [Yusuf Islaam, formerly Cat Stevens] Universality: Islam is a religion that belongs not only to the Arabs but to the entire humanity. This universal quality presents a sharp contrast with the Judaic religion, whose holy book always refers to the God of Israel. One more thing that I love in Islam is that this religion recognizes all the prophets, makes no distinction between them and treats the believers of other religions with compassion. [Mahmud Gunnar Ahmad, Swedish Muslim]

45 It's happejing reminds me of a Jihadi website I used to see out there. So I find "it's happening to be a slogan." Deal with it we shall. Now you deal with the consequences we put upon Islam if it cannot police itself.