Collin Baber has been banned. Any appeals should be e-mailed to me directly.
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Good! Make sure he doesn't make an encore performance under an assumed name.
Posted by: Laura at April 15, 2005 07:45 AM (L3PPO)
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It's not the name that is banned, but the IP. There are ways around that, of course.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 15, 2005 07:46 AM (JQjhA)
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I remember in my 8th grade history class that I wasn't much interested in because I had started noticing girls, and played a lot of sports and thought school was not very important..... BUT.... I do remember a quote from one of our country's patriots. "I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it". I think it is too bad that it has come to this.
Chris
Posted by: Chris at April 15, 2005 08:07 AM (nrqX9)
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Filthy Respects the Authoritaaahhhhh of the Rusty Sahib. Please to not be banning the Filthy one. Or, Scott Baio.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 15, 2005 08:17 AM (yBHNA)
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Chris, freedom of speech is one thing, but we won't tolerate American bashers and haters. We don't want the enemy on here.
Posted by: Laura at April 15, 2005 08:25 AM (L3PPO)
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Chris,
The thing is I'm just getting tired of his constant America bashing. Seriously.
If the people demand it I will reinstitute his priveleges. I understand that it can be sort of fun arguing with somebody.
Also, Collin has his own blog where he is free to say whatever he wants. In all the time that Collin's been posting here I have not received a single trackback from him.
Again, Collin is free to appeal this decision to my lawyer, Rusty Shackleford, by e-mailing him.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 15, 2005 08:31 AM (JQjhA)
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Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish! What What
Posted by: Ob Snooks at April 15, 2005 08:44 AM (yBHNA)
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Crap. That means he's going to come back over to my place.
Posted by: Preston Taylor Holmes at April 15, 2005 08:49 AM (WsZ4F)
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This site belongs to you Rusty. You have a right to do what you see fit. I will back you up on this because it is yours to do with what you want. Colin has his own blog so that takes care of the freedom of speech thing. He has a place to air his views and oppinions.
Laura.... If this blog is a weapon of war then You are right we can't allow the enemy to touch our weapon. I don't think it is a weapon though. EXCELLENT place for me to come get information, but not a weapon. I don't like his hate speech either.
P. S. I have never argued with Colin. I never felt him worthy.
Chris
Posted by: Chris at April 15, 2005 08:57 AM (nrqX9)
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Filthy just ate at the sixmeatbuffett and it was delicious.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 15, 2005 09:02 AM (yBHNA)
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Rusty: What was the straw that broke the Moslem camel's back?
Laura: "Make sure he doesn't make an encore performance under an assumed name."
Just look for posts that seem like they were written by C3P0.
"I sincerely hope that the kidnappers are brought to trial."
"We are still waiting for the Fallujah URL."
Rusty, a dumb question, but why was he banned, other than the fact that he was a Colon?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 15, 2005 09:11 AM (x+5JB)
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YBP: Because we didn't like the shit that came out of Colon...pun intended.
Posted by: Laura at April 15, 2005 09:17 AM (L3PPO)
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No way Rusty. It was wrong to ban Collin.
He was annoying, BUT HE WASN'T A TROLL.
Posted by: Carlos at April 15, 2005 09:22 AM (8e/V4)
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Man, what are the chances that Rusty's lawyer would have the same name as him!?! What a wierd world.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 15, 2005 09:28 AM (jPCiN)
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"Filthy just ate at the sixmeatbuffett and it was delicious."
Filthy: Is that the little joint that has menue items named after great thespians, like the "Scott Baio Foot-Long"?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 15, 2005 09:53 AM (x+5JB)
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Steady young sahib....Inshallah they will add that delux Baio item to the menu.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 15, 2005 10:35 AM (yBHNA)
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Filthy: So that when the waiter sees Your Filthiness, he will merely have to ask, "The usual?"
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 15, 2005 10:50 AM (x+5JB)
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So what is the consensus? Stay or go for Collin?
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 15, 2005 11:08 AM (JQjhA)
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It is up to you Rusty. Count the votes on each side and do what you think is right for you, the site, and your many other contributing factors. You have a great site here and I will come regardless of the Colin Babers of the world. I just skip his tirades when I am here. With people like him on the site though I do not let my kids be exposed to it.
Posted by: Chris at April 15, 2005 11:18 AM (nrqX9)
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"On the one hand, I like to be challenged. When you start banning people you weed out a potential pool of those who will be the most critical, and therefore those that are most willing to point out a flaw in your arguements." - Rusty
Banning Collin Baber was a chickensh!t thing to do. As a Molecular Biologist I value peer review. Apparently Political "Science", which is a non-science, has no such concept.
It was obvious from Rusty's post (see above) that he wasn't concerned with foul language nor ad hominems as he feigned but rather with silencing the opposition - those who are "the most critical". Collin, a brilliant man, was the most forceful voice of opposition on this site. He never once used profanity or ad hominems even though they were hurled at him constantly.
It just illustrates how feeble minded your cause is when you can''t stand up to the scrutiny that Collin provided.
And he's no traitor either. He loves this country more than you proles do. If you have your way you'll turn this country into a permanent state of Marshall Law.
A few of you, the cream of the crop as far as I'm concerned, supported Collin and were against banning anyone. You deserve a pat on the back.
To the rest I say, shame on you intellectual and moral cowards!
Posted by: greg at April 15, 2005 11:26 AM (/+dAV)
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Hey, Greg, I never said it was abou the profanity. So, fuck you.
What I got tired of was the same old shit coming out of his mouth. This isn't a place for peer review. This is a place where I speak my mind, and hopefully others think what I'm saying is important.
I NEVER write posts about my research. NEVER. It's not the proper forum.
This is MY HOUSE. You are a GUEST.
I'm having second thoughts about banning him, yes, but only because it's fun sometimes to hear the utter nonsense coming from his mouth.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 15, 2005 11:30 AM (JQjhA)
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"Hey, Greg, I never said it was abou the profanity. So, fuck you." -Rusty
Fuck you too.
"I'm having second thoughts about banning him, yes, but only because it's fun sometimes to hear the utter nonsense coming from his mouth."-Rusty
You should quit with the "it's my ball and I'm going home" routine and change your mind.
Posted by: greg at April 15, 2005 11:42 AM (/+dAV)
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Only banned? Too bad, but then you probably don't know Tony the Bucket or Joey Bagadonuts. You send 'em over, they have a little talk wit' da guy, a moving van comes in the middle of the night, da guy leaves no forwarding address, but is rumored to have joined the priesthood and is a missionary in Borneo.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 15, 2005 11:54 AM (0yYS2)
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Hey Rusty,
Do you really want your house to be just an echo chamber? Let Collin back in. He was annoying, but polite. He wasn't at all ban material. What possessed you? It's never too late to make things right.
Posted by: Carlos at April 15, 2005 11:58 AM (8e/V4)
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F- Colon Burgler. Let him stay in his moonbat loonie, left wing, bean pie eating , pot smoking, Pfish listening world of fellow Bush haters.
F- Him and anyone that looks like him.
Filthy Allah is in the HIZZZAAAAAAAAAY
Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 15, 2005 12:09 PM (yBHNA)
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Shut the F up Greg before I punch you in the uterus.
Posted by: OB Snooks at April 15, 2005 12:10 PM (yBHNA)
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It is getting warm in here.....One best be armed with the best armaments and to the teeth when going to do battle with Shackelford. The RUSTY army has laid waste to many a weak mind....
Posted by: Chris at April 15, 2005 12:11 PM (nrqX9)
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It's your house, Rusty. Guests are there on your invitation.
Now, if, like one certain blogger, you were to put words in Collin's mouth, edit his comments, delete them selectively when they made you look bad, etc. then he might have a complaint.
But for you to say, "Sorry, tired of you. You're outta here," no on can legitimately object to that.
Posted by: The Commissar at April 15, 2005 12:11 PM (BYgNQ)
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Rusty: I don't buy the "he was brilliant line." (That's not the point, Greg.)
I, too, tired of his repetitive one-liners, but I say again, lift the ban. His predictable "Bushian Cult" lines are unintentionally amusing, and besides, he probably won't come back anyway--the deadliest sin: Pride.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 15, 2005 12:15 PM (x+5JB)
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Collin brought absolutely nothing constructive to the table. In fact, he sounded like an automated program that posted programmed responses to various topics. If you review his posts, he used the same quotes and one-liners over and over and over. It was like the spam for viagra that shows up in your email. How many times can one read "Bushian War-Cult" before it ceases to have any meaning. The C3PO comparison used by YBP seems just about right. Collin spits out his programmed responses like one of those old computers that took up a whole room. I tried to ignore his posts, but it's like trying not to look at a train wreck. It's too bad that the comments section doesn't have some sort of ignore feature like many message boards have. Then we could put him on ignore and not have to endure his endless ramblings. His inane posts were not only insulting but painful to endure. Honestly, I had begun to not visit your site every day simply because it had become the Rusty and Collin show. He showed up on here so frequently with the same message that it was like this was his blog. The man is an obvious link-whore who thought that provoking people here would result in increased traffic on his blog. I have never visited and never will. I don't find it fun to argue with him (that's not why I read blogs) and frankly, his posts hurt my brain. It's like trying to reason with a madman...just not worth my time.
Posted by: Dan at April 15, 2005 12:16 PM (q3pwu)
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OB snooks,
If we ever tangle I'd beat you silly and then I'd piss on your unconcious proteinacious sack.
Posted by: greg at April 15, 2005 12:23 PM (/+dAV)
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Too bad, you need to ban users just because they have different opinions. The guy was not hostile. If so, did he say that he hates America?
Seems that there is no freedom of speech in this blog.
just my 0.02 cents.
Posted by: tiger at April 15, 2005 12:28 PM (YfgBM)
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Greg, the second you leave your parents basement you will experience illegal ninja moves once only known by the government! (Movie anyone?)
Posted by: Ob Snooks at April 15, 2005 12:29 PM (yBHNA)
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Uhhhhh, there does not have to be Freedom of Speech on this blog.
I don't have freedom of speech in my own tent. Why should you lament the lack of it here?
Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 15, 2005 12:31 PM (yBHNA)
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I don't think banning Collin was justified. You say you were tired of "the same shit coming out of his mouth" but that is simply because he was responding to the same topics repeated over and over on this blog. While I pick and choose my battles on this blog, Collin was a steady voice of opposition that always defended his position. Everyone else pretty much agrees with what you say. Is that what you want? A long line of drones that nod whenever you make an observation?
I can however suggest another candidate for banning. Here is a hint: he keeps on saying "traitor" over and over again to those he disagrees with and repeatedly makes threats about hanging people.
Posted by: Jim at April 15, 2005 12:34 PM (jcSwY)
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"Is that what you want? A long line of drones that nod whenever you make an observation?"
I don't know about Rusty, but this is EXACTLY what I want. Where may I barter for/purchase/order/find said drones?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 15, 2005 12:45 PM (x+5JB)
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I think I might be offended...... Never been called a drone before.
Chris
Posted by: Chris at April 15, 2005 12:52 PM (NBrzU)
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"Collin was a steady voice of opposition that always defended his position."
Sorry Infidel, Collin was and still is a loonie moonbat.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 15, 2005 12:56 PM (yBHNA)
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Hey Rusty, why don't you take a vote.
Posted by: Carlos at April 15, 2005 01:04 PM (8e/V4)
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>>>Uhhhhh, there does not have to be Freedom of Speech on this blog.
I don't have freedom of speech in my own tent. Why should you lament the lack of it here?>>
Then you are closed minded and you are telling me that this blog is just conservative propaganda.
if we like to debate about politics you need to have balance in certain topics, sensible or not. I was a guest here, just a simple reader like anyone else and I like this site, my perspective of this blog changed after this topic. It is not "Good news everyone" IMHO , it is "We are weak people here that we need to ban users because they have different opinions". I think most of you hate the guy because he didn't use profanity in his posts, he was very calm and some of his posts were interesting like Aiden Delgado's testimony for example. I didn't see anything like that on CNN or Fox News, but if you search on google about delgado you'll very surprised that he is known.
Powertrick is not the answer to debate with the opposition.
Posted by: tiger at April 15, 2005 01:05 PM (YfgBM)
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Look, it's one thing to say "Man, the war sucks, this war was a mistake and does not serve the long-term national interests of America"
I respect that position.
It's another thing alltogether to blame the U.S. for attrocities never committed, to compare Bush to Hitler, and to start spouting of conspiracy theories about plans to conquer the Middle East for oil.
This is why I banned Collin. He's part of the Chomsky anti-America hate cult.
Plus, he pissed me off on a bad day. Yes, even Rusty gets moody sometimes.
(Even though there really is no Rusty Shackleford, as most of you know. Rusty Shackleford is just a part I play for the blog.)
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 15, 2005 01:08 PM (JQjhA)
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Tiger,
This blog is just conservative propaganda? Are you freaking kidding me? Of course it is!!!!!!
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 15, 2005 01:14 PM (JQjhA)
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Hey Rusty,
they piss me off too. But they serve our cause more than theirs. Regular people need to hear them spout off. Regular people need to see just who we're up against these days. I welcome the Collinses and the gregs and the Islamic Jihads for that very reason.
How bout setting up one of these blog polls and we vote on it just for kicks.
Posted by: Carlos at April 15, 2005 01:14 PM (8e/V4)
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Greg, the second you leave your parents basement you will experience illegal ninja moves once only known by the government! (Movie anyone?) –OB'sNookie
We donÂ’t have basements in Texas you damned clammy skinned Yankee. DonÂ’t look now OB'sNookie, but some yeast just jumped up your vagina (Saccharomyces cerevisiae). OB will be disappointed with you for not keeping it clean for him.
Posted by: greg at April 15, 2005 01:32 PM (/+dAV)
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Good one Greg, that was pretty funny.
Posted by: Ob Snooks at April 15, 2005 01:37 PM (yBHNA)
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OBÂ’sNookie,
Take 5 milliliters of potassium chloride and inject it intravenously. ItÂ’ll clean that yeast infection of yours up as quick as a heart attack.
Posted by: greg at April 15, 2005 01:37 PM (/+dAV)
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So this is where everyone got to. Not sure if it matters, but I think if you are going to ban him for his comments (all anti-America all the time) than you should get rid of the others doing the same. Personally, I think we should burn them at the stake, but only because I have this bag of marshmellows and pointy stick here.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 15, 2005 01:38 PM (jPCiN)
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Does any one know how to set up a blog poll?
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 15, 2005 01:42 PM (JQjhA)
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Snooks have bread infection?
My Dear Snooks: I have instant cure for itchy dilemma. First, tell know one you have the rotted fruit bowl. Second, take 2 pounds of ground cumin and cover your man junk with it. Nothing can live under that. Itch be gone and you smell like Kyber Kabbob cart on 5th avenue. Win Win!
Very important. Make sure ding dong is covered with saran wrap otherwise cumin get in pee hole and burn like dead infidel.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 15, 2005 01:47 PM (yBHNA)
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I say let him back in, Rusty. I enjoy watching him get bitchslapped. He serves as an excellent example of the sophomoric logic and defective "news" sources used by the Left.
And ah still say the boy has a purty mouth.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at April 15, 2005 01:50 PM (RHG+K)
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Rusty Shackelford is an ALIAS?!?!?!?!? I thought you were related to Cameron Shackelford, the country lawyer from East Vassalboro, Maine.
My vote: a temporary ban -- sort of like a "time out."
Posted by: wavemaker at April 15, 2005 01:53 PM (t1Ig6)
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Filthy: Have you sent this little hygiene gem to "Hints from Heloise"?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 15, 2005 02:21 PM (x+5JB)
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Filthy does not share such wonders with everyone.
Remember, very very important to cover ding dong. Cumin sting bad.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 15, 2005 02:26 PM (yBHNA)
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I vote --free Collin--, had some interresting ideas and I liked the way he always managed to squeeze "Bushian War Cult" in half his comments.
Posted by: A Finn at April 15, 2005 02:50 PM (lGolT)
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Quothe Greg regarding Collin the Babbler:
"And he's no traitor either. He loves this country more than you proles do. If you have your way you'll turn this country into a permanent state of Marshall Law."
Proles, comrade? So that would make you the intelligentsia, right? So in your esteemed opinion, we should just shut up and go back to picking up rocks or whatever we were doing? Right comrade?
Fuck you, and fuck you again, you goddamn piece of shit elitist communist snob. Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. I hope you die slowly, and in great pain, then you'll be a good communist. You'd better pray your blessed revolution never comes, because you and your kind won't survive long in America once the gloves come off.
Oh, and you misspelled "martial", dumbass.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 15, 2005 03:11 PM (0yYS2)
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Improbulus Maximus,
If the gloves ever do come off, I'll blow your fucking brains out. Happy Buy a Gun Day!
Greg
Posted by: greg at April 15, 2005 03:27 PM (/+dAV)
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How do you know this poll was not made by a liberal?
You are only allowed to vote once.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 15, 2005 03:38 PM (yBHNA)
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 15, 2005 03:39 PM (JQjhA)
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Maybe Greg should put the cumin on his head to kill the fungus that has been eating his brain.
Filthy- Thanks for the heads up on covering my dingdong.
Posted by: ObSnooks at April 15, 2005 03:40 PM (yBHNA)
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FREE COLLIN BABER!
FREE MUMIA!
Posted by: Carlos at April 15, 2005 03:40 PM (8e/V4)
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Is there any way to see what the score is without voting again?
Posted by: A Finn at April 15, 2005 03:42 PM (lGolT)
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greg,
the term 'proles' does give you away as an elitist.
And elitism is one of the big reasons I walked away from Liberalism.
Posted by: Carlos at April 15, 2005 03:42 PM (8e/V4)
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Carlos,
Was 9-11 the catalyst to your transformation? Be honest now.
Posted by: greg at April 15, 2005 03:46 PM (/+dAV)
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A Finn:Is there any way to see what the score is without voting again?
Great idea. We need periodic exit polls. We all know how useful those are.
Oh wait, exit polls are only reliable in other countries. Never mind!
Posted by: greg at April 15, 2005 03:54 PM (/+dAV)
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Stop baiting obsnooks. He has been so good lately. I like him better when he is not so angry. Plus I think his BP might have dropped about 20 points.
Posted by: Howie at April 15, 2005 03:55 PM (D3+20)
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"Maybe Greg should put the cumin on his head"-OB'sNookie
Maybe OBs'Nookie should put the cum on her head.
Posted by: greg at April 15, 2005 03:57 PM (/+dAV)
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"Freedom of speech" --- that's you (or Rusty) having your blog to say what you like.
"Property rights" --- that's where Rusty (or you) is entitled to do whatever he wants on his blog
"Common courtesy" --- what most bloggers extend to their commenters
Posted by: The Commissar at April 15, 2005 04:03 PM (cKGHq)
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greg,
that was only one factor. But my transformation was gradual over about two years, and it started before 9/11, then quickened after 9/11.
I became more serious about my christian faith, and that's what triggered my defection. I chose to no longer accept the rabid christiano-phobia of the Left. As a nomimal christian previous to that, it's something I had noticed but it didn't really bother me. As a more committed christian though, it's a huge turn off. Huge.
I used to be an elitist myself, like most on the Left. I saw the American people as dummies and dolts beneath my dignity. Now I choose to identify myself with these proles even though I'm well schooled, well-read and well-travelled. I have lived on 3 continents and travelled on four. I'm no prole. Yet, when you despise the proles, you despise me, and I'm proud of it. Elitism now repulses me.
I used to blame America first, now I defend America first. I'm not always going to be right, but most of the times I will.
Posted by: Carlos at April 15, 2005 04:05 PM (8e/V4)
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I just voted in your poll.
Can we have another poll asking whether or not he should be made to lie with Filthy for the expiation of his many sins against humanity?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 15, 2005 04:07 PM (x+5JB)
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Carlos,
Thanks for the response. I'm really not an elitist, I'm a Texan for gosh sakes. We wear boots because we fully expect to step in cow shit at any moment. I used the word proles once 'cause I was pissed. I won't say it again.
Posted by: greg at April 15, 2005 04:15 PM (/+dAV)
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greg,
hard for a Texan to be an elitist. But you must see that most Leftists are, right?
Posted by: Carlos at April 15, 2005 04:17 PM (8e/V4)
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Gee, thanks, Rusty, now the only loon I have to play with here is greg.
Posted by: Robin Roberts at April 15, 2005 04:28 PM (xauGB)
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Punt his silly ass. Now, for something completely different:
Rusty: I am your Blog Owner.
Peasant woman: Well I didn't vote for you.
Rusty: You don't vote for Blog Owner's.
Woman: Well how'd you become a Blog Owner, then?
Rusty: The Lady of the Desert, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft a scimitar from the bosom of the sand, signifying by devine providence that I, Rusty, was to watch the Jawa's. That is why I'm your Blog Owner. Well, that and I pay.
Greg: Listen. Strange women lying in the sand distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical sandy ceremony. A blog is communal property with the participants in said blog holding equal parts responsibility and privilege over said blog...
Rusty: Shut Up! Bitch.
Greg: You can't expect to weild absolute authority over a blog just because some crusty tart threw a sword at you! You live in an illusory ownership society intent on holding down the masses by building up the McCarthyist blogosphere, maintaining your Blog Ownerhip on the back of commenters...
Rusty: Thou Art My Bitch!
Greg: If I went 'round sayin' I was a Blog Owner just because some dehydrated bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!...
Rusty:{Rides Away)
Posted by: GoldFalcon at April 15, 2005 04:33 PM (LCCTJ)
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Please Rusty dont ban him he didnt cause no harm.
YBP
When you started to post for Colin, Hilarious:0)
Jim, leave the Rooster alone he is so funny, I think you guys take him too seriously. I have spent many a night laughing at your banter.
I for one would miss it.
Posted by: sparky at April 15, 2005 04:37 PM (F1nba)
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Greg,
I've seen plenty of basements in Texas. Perhaps you should venture out accross the state a bit more.
On the decision to ban Colin. It's your decision, Rusty, but don't ban someone because he disagrees with you. Colin, at from what I've seen on this site and numerous others including mine, backs up his argument with nothing but unproven conspiracy theories. Whether he comes right out and says it or not, he is in fact anti-American based upon his blame America first mentality that he presents time and time again.
The guy is entertainment, but commenters that do nothing but argue for the sake of arguing get very annoying and in my humble opinion, deserve banning. There are ways to discuss issues that we do not all agree with and there are ways not to. Colin has taken the stance to argue with everything anyone says that does not fit his preconceived notion that President Bush is the second coming of Beelzebub. There are far more important things to discuss, which are presented on this blog daily, than whether or not the bulge in President Bush's jacket was a set of disfigured horns. Colin just never understood that.
Posted by: Chad Evans at April 15, 2005 04:39 PM (VfW+X)
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"Greg,
I've seen plenty of basements in Texas."-Chad Evans
Chad go back to New Jersey and shut the fuck up, you big mouth know nothing Yankee.
Posted by: greg at April 15, 2005 04:48 PM (/+dAV)
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Greg. Chad is a friend of mine. He lives in Texas. That's a fact.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 15, 2005 04:50 PM (JQjhA)
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greg, hard for a Texan to be an elitist. But you must see that most Leftists are, right?-Carlos
If we define the elite as the richest, most educated and most powerful people...
I would say the Leftists are elitists in that they are the most educated.
And the right-wingers are elitists becuase they are the richest and most powerful - they control the House, Senate, Presidency and Supreme Court.
The left certainly doesn't own the term. There's some big money here in Texas. The real elite! They're 90% Republicans.
Posted by: greg at April 15, 2005 04:57 PM (/+dAV)
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Rusty and Chad,
My apologies, the part of Texas I live in is too rocky (limestone) so there are very few basements, just some crawl space under the house if it is pier and beam construction.
Texas is actually like 5 states geographically so there may be areas in Texas where basements are more feasible.
Posted by: greg at April 15, 2005 05:01 PM (/+dAV)
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Greg, I did not mean that as an insult or anything at all. I'd appreciate it if you did not assume it was.
I am a native Texan and lived here all of my life. I've seen several basements throughout West Texas and some in the Houston area. In fact, while I college I rented a house with a basement. They are not the norm as in other parts of the country, but there are plenty here.
Thanks though for playing the game and making me laugh by calling me a Yankee. I shall now go bathe myself in alcohol to rid my body of any Yankee spirits I might exude.
Posted by: Chad Evans at April 15, 2005 05:02 PM (VfW+X)
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I say ban him and keep him out. Until those facists at DU allow conservatives to post dissenting opinions without getting the boot, niether shall we allow some half-cocked twit spout his vile at us!
Posted by: HoltMan at April 15, 2005 05:09 PM (4O3ry)
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greg,
you live in the hill country? I live in Boerne.
Posted by: Carlos at April 15, 2005 05:41 PM (8e/V4)
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Banning someone who disagrees with you, not matter how stupid their opinions or statements may be, just stinks, and I am very surprised you'd do that...unless its just some BS ploy to stir up interest,which would not be surprising at all.
Posted by: Mr. K at April 15, 2005 06:14 PM (79r4I)
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I don't think elitism has anything to do with how much money one has. It's an attitude. So, I would say that a person can be not wealthy, wear boots, and think that he's more "in the know" than the common working stiff.
I'm NOT talking about you here, specifically, Greg.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 15, 2005 06:21 PM (frMrc)
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Youse guys seem to be missing the point! Differing views are one thing, even if you're against the war, that's fine too, BUT, there's a difference between having an opposing view and hating America and wishing death to us....people like that ARE the enemy and we don't need his kind here.
Mudslinging doesn't bother me, I've had my share on other comment sections of the blog over the last year, but when people constantly put Bush down, our govt. down, our country down, "long live Allah and death to all dirty Americans" type of shit, then I draw the line.
It IS Rusty's home though, and I think it was nice of him to even HAVE a poll...he really can ban whoever he wants to and not even tell anyone, his call.
Carry on...
Posted by: Laura at April 15, 2005 08:04 PM (L3PPO)
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God forbid I give the impression of support for one of the resident wackos, but I'd like to throw my hat into the 'basements in Texas' discussion. I was born, raised, and never lived anywhere but TX. I currently live about halfway between Houston and Galveston. I have lived here, in the piney woods of east TX, in Dallas, and near San Antonio. I have friends in Lubbock, Amarillo, Austin, and Laredo. I have visited them at their homes. I have visted all over the state and have never once been in a house in TX that had a basement.
My original vocation in life was to train for a life as an architect so I know a thing or two about construction. The structual reason for having a basement is because the foundation has to be below the frost line for that part of the country. If there are basements in TX, it's because of a prefence by the original owner/builder and it is not wide-spread in my experience. The frost line in most of TX is only a few inches below the ground. Maybe in the more mountainous parts of the state near NM or in the extreme far north in the panhandle. Of course, I can't say I'm familar with every house ...
Just my two cents.
And just to stay on topic: Ban the idiot.
Posted by: slug at April 15, 2005 09:53 PM (l5wtU)
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Slug, I have absolutely no doubt you are right. Yes, the crawl spaces are in the Panhandle of Texas as well, but I know I've seen and been in basements in Texas. Heh. Now both you and Greg are going to make me want to travel back to Lubbock and take a picture of my old rental home's basement and the rental homes of a few of my old friends.
There was one home, off of Indiana and about 28th (Possibly Quaker) that had a basement that was as large as half the house. I'm sure it was added on as it is not customary as you mentioned Slug. These were old homes in Lubbock that had basements if that matters.
Now my friend in Houston lives in a house that is 10 years old (I have no clue really) and he has a basement. In fact that is the reason why he purchased the home because he liked the idea of having one. He too is from and only lived in Texas.
Why stay on topic when going off topic is much more fun?
Posted by: Chad Evans at April 16, 2005 12:28 AM (VfW+X)
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To Chad and Slug:
Not sure why you guys are talking about basements and crawlspaces, but I spend a lot of time going into and evaluating both, its part of what I do to make a living. There are a lot of reasons to have or not have a basement or crawlspace. At least one consideration is simply the slope of the lot. Anyway, here in North Carolina where I do most of my work, I see a lot of houses that have both a basement and a crawlspace...which gets to my story. Just yesterday, I inspected an older house (built in 40's) with both a basement and a crawlspace. In the most bizarre thing I have found yet in a house, this one had a secret hidden room behind the basement wall that was accessed through the crawlspace. The room had lots of lights, a table, and some potting soil and fertilizer - obviously a pot farm. But whoever did it dug under the damn footing that was holding up the basement wall. They knew what they were doing because they did not undermine any interior pier footings or major supports, the basement wall was essentially just a retaining wall. Still, a big damn hole under the house could subside, and result in uneven floors, cracked brickwork, or worse. Anyway, I plan to place photos I took and post them on my blog, which I created as a place to gripe but also post pictures and photos from my work.
Kirk
Posted by: Mr. K at April 16, 2005 03:07 AM (Hmd7f)
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Laura, exactly where/when did Collin wish death to America?
Posted by: Jim at April 16, 2005 04:42 AM (jcSwY)
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I think it was me who brought up all other countries teaming up and destroying U.S. Am I the next to go in this non-rightie-radical Survivor?
Posted by: A Finn at April 16, 2005 08:05 AM (lGolT)
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I've only seen a little of Collin's work, but from what I've seen, he is incapable of learning anything or participating in a conversation.
He's useless. Ban him good.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at April 16, 2005 08:53 AM (+S1Ft)
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greg,
you live in the hill country? I live in Boerne.-Carlos
Yup, God's country. Been there, nice place.
Posted by: greg at April 16, 2005 09:00 AM (/+dAV)
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"F- Colon Burgler. Let him stay in his moonbat loonie, left wing, bean pie eating , pot smoking, Pfish listening world of fellow Bush haters. F- Him and anyone that looks like him."
--->Ha! Well, I look very much like him because he's my actual BROTHER! He isn't left or right wing, doesn't smoke pot, doesn't like Phish and you better believe he doesn't think Bush is the sole source of his anger. Might I also remind any of you pussies with yellow ribbons out there that he was in the military as well. We'll see how fast your ribbons disappear when a draft comes around. Another interesting fact...we've both met the Bushes personally. George senior has a limp hand shake, but I'm sure you need one if you have to save your strength for pocketing oil money. I think what many people fail to realize is that corporate corruption is the source of evil in the world. Or for the bible carrying crowd: the sin called GREED. No one is exempt from greed, and it will probably be the undoing of the human race. It is the reason your kids get cancer from what they eat or drink. It's the reason why politicians are paid off. It's the reason why your news is manufactured and sometimes absolutely inaccurate. It's not 'believe what you want'...it's 'you will believe what we want so we can get what we want.' That is how the rich control the poor. That is why the poorest in this nation elect the richest into power. The real enemies of our country aren't in Iraq or any other country. They are the bloated, greedy corporations that pull the puppet strings in our economy and politics. Label me whatever you like, or hate me because you don't understand or agree with me...but remember that I am just an individual who wants fair justice and equality in the world without corporate funded racist or religious tyrants waging war between people who should be respecting each other and living in peace. Anyway, tell me to shut up. Tell Collin to shut up. (I know I have) Don't ban him because he has an opinion other than your own...he's just trying to reach you in the same method as your trusty television does everyday: through shock value and repetition!
Posted by: steven baber at April 16, 2005 10:38 AM (FogDg)
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I applaud the banning. Notice how the America Hater suddenly appeared on the scene. In all probability because he was ran off other blogs. Colon Babler never brought anything to the table except a hate America, hate our Troops, hate the president, hate Americas policies. I never appreciated the creeps E-mails to me directly, attempting to post where I live and other bullshit, commie, muslim practices. Attempts where made to get my E-mail address by him and his friends, Anwar the syrian Jawa, and one Jawa with the 666 address. They failed and my computer advised me.
COLLIN BABER IS A LUNATIC COMMIE: Much of his posts were direct quotes from communist news dailies.
WHY GIVE AMERICA'S ENEMIES A PLATFORM TO SHOUT THEIR LIES?
BAN THE BASTARD AND KEEP HIM BANNED.
Wasteing our time defending America against him is just that. Wasteing time. Time that can be used constructively.
Another great move by Rusty.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 16, 2005 10:40 AM (sB5vg)
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Carlos: You know I respect your writings. On this issue you are wrong, wrong, wrong.
I have at times wondered if you sometimes argue with the Gregs and Colon Babler merely for the sake of retoric. Just back and forth. Never changes. Never will. You will not change a traitors mind. Retoric for the sake of retoric is nothing but retoric. You obvious talents can be put to better use on this blog or any othr blog. Some claim to be good Americans. Examples are Greg and Colon Babler. The same as muslims claim to good peaceful muslims. But in their hearts they are cheering against us.
Screw them. Spend your energy producing that that will aid America not just defending it against lunatics.
Colon Babler is a lying piece of shit.
Nothing more.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 16, 2005 10:50 AM (sB5vg)
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Greyrooster, you are a hypocrite "patriot" fool. Collin Baber doesn't hate America and has done more for his country than most ever will. What have you done for your country besides spouting your ignorance and racism? I love America with all my heart. That is why we must speaking out when we don't believe it is being run correctly! Disagreeing with the existing temporary president's views doesn't make anyone an "America Hater". It's free speech. Why is it that ignorance is so black and white? With us or against us?
Posted by: steven baber at April 16, 2005 10:53 AM (FogDg)
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rooster,
don't you enjoy tearing Collin a new one? You sure look like you do.
You, more than anybody else on this blog should be voting to lift the ban.
Posted by: Carlos at April 16, 2005 11:21 AM (8e/V4)
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Enough already! Does it really matter? 100 posts about a pest. Now we get to hear from the pest's brother. Are his parents going to get into the act as well?
We should encourage (Gag! Am I really saying this?) the airing of different opinions here, or else there would be no discourse. Let the guy back on. And his brother, parents, and cousins, and barber, if they want to. Besides, if he turns out to be a real traitor in the end, Filthy can issue a fatwa against him (and all who do not worship the great thespian Scott Baio).
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 16, 2005 11:46 AM (x+5JB)
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Young Bourbon Professional...My parents, cousins AND barber are too busy activating thier Al Queda cells to write on this blog. Somebody has to break Saddam outta the joint...
"One cell controls them all, what's it called? Kickball."
Posted by: steven baber at April 16, 2005 11:58 AM (FogDg)
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"My parents, cousins AND barber are too busy activating thier Al Queda cells to write on this blog."
Steve, ask the barber to give Saddam a trim, eh? He was looking a little hairy there for a while.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 16, 2005 12:13 PM (x+5JB)
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Notice how the traitors Greg and Jim flock to colon babler banner. Why because they are just like him. Birds of the feather, flock together.
Ever thing about the fact that Colon Babler has its own blog. Then why is the lunatic here? Why because no one wants to listen to his anti-American bullshit there either.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 16, 2005 01:52 PM (DAWnL)
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If you ever want to have fun fighting with loopy leftwingers just go to this blog:
http://atrios.blogspot.com/
that guy will post a picture of his cat, and nothing else, and there will be a couple of hundred comments bashing Bush at that post.
Posted by: Mr. K at April 16, 2005 01:59 PM (uKCX6)
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Maybe you should consider banning the nasty mouthed commie Greg while you are in the mood. Try and see what good things can then begin coming out of this blog. Thing about it. Instead of all the energy focus on defending against the dark side that time and energy can be applied to something humorous and wholesome. Then you can take over the world of blogging.
Maybe constructive criticism instead of the lies and gross exaggerations. I myself have problems with some of our actions. However, if I bring them up the traitorous commie groupies ie: Colon Babler, Greg, Jim will pick them up and run with them. Using any question as a weapon against America and our conservative stand. This stimies conversation. Banning Colon Babler will produce more dialogue. Not less.
I just can't get it why some of our best keep argueing with the obvious enemy. They are like broken records. Same shit since the early sixties.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 16, 2005 02:11 PM (DAWnL)
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Cologne Balls has his own blog?! Yay! What the sites adress?
Posted by: A Finn at April 16, 2005 02:12 PM (lGolT)
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And since Colon Babler has its own blog. Its companions like Greg and Jim will not be denied a place to rant and rave. They can just do it there. I don't understand the problem with banning a creep that has its own blog.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 16, 2005 02:19 PM (DAWnL)
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Chris: "I'll fight for the right for anyone to say as they please is a fine statement when taken in the context at the time.
Context and subject matter is what counts.
I will not fight for the right for people to lie. Colon Babler is a liar.
I will not fight for the right to call my daughter a motherfucker. I will cut the person throat.
In fact I will not fight for the right for people to tell the truth at times. Sometimes telling the truth will hurt your side.
Anyway thats my take on it. Yours is yours and I respect that.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 16, 2005 02:27 PM (DAWnL)
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I can see Colon Babler and comrades calling all commies to vote. Ha, ha, Sucker will have a tremendous long distance phone bill.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 16, 2005 02:31 PM (DAWnL)
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I got stuck on two of Greg's comments, which everyone has probably already dissected, nonetheless:
Street cred: "As a Molecular Biologist I value peer review." Followed by Street slam: "Apparently Political "Science", which is a non-science, has no such concept." I bet greg doesn't go over to the Soc department and try that one on for size. Or maybe he does, and that's why they don't invite him to their parties anymore. And why Dr. Moonwomyn kicked him in the groin.
If it's peer review you want, you're outta your field, greg.
Next:
Biologist's claim: "Collin, a brilliant man, was the most forceful voice of opposition on this site." Street refutation: Seriously, dude. I thought Babler was a bot because there was zero personality behind the burps he passed off as comments, then I decided he couldn't be a bot because he lacked the requisite logic.
Rusty's house, Rusty's rules. If he doesn't ban Babler, just don't read his comments; if he does, and you want a slice of Babler, you should know by now where to find him/her/it.
PS Discount one of the poll's "ban" votes; I want to check the numbers, but I don't care at all one way or another - punting Colin seems like spitting into the wind.
Posted by: tee bee at April 16, 2005 02:41 PM (q1JHF)
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I just checked Colon Bablers blog. I now understand why the creep uses this blog. The creep has had about 7 comments in a month. The best starts like this. "what an unhappy little creep you are"
Need I say more. Ban him from this blog. Ban him from Texas. Ban him from America. Ban him from the universe.
Wheres a Jedi when you need him?
Hey!! wait a minute here. Does this creep Colon Babler live near Greg? Time for a little investigation. Something weird going on.
Colon Babler, Greg??????
Posted by: greyrooster at April 16, 2005 02:48 PM (DAWnL)
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I wanna go see the Baber-blog...
Posted by: A Finn at April 16, 2005 02:53 PM (lGolT)
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By the way, my comp is making strange buzzing sounds that repeats in about 3 second intervals. How do I get rid of the buzzing?
Posted by: A Finn at April 16, 2005 02:55 PM (lGolT)
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rooster,
one thing you got going for you is you make me laugh like hell.
Posted by: Carlos at April 16, 2005 03:05 PM (8e/V4)
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I think greyrooster's family tree has no branches...and I found out where he gets his screensavers from: http://www.andreaharner.com/archives/2004/11/free_vs_slave_states_fuck_the_south.html
Posted by: steven baber at April 16, 2005 04:12 PM (FogDg)
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Carlos.
Well its laughable. Greg has posted the the Jews were responsible for the World Trade Center. That the attack on the Pentagon was a fake. Greg is as sick as Colon Babler. Check it out. And just who is fanatically defending whacko colon babler? I think they are frigging twins.
Anyway they are both assholes who are anti-Amrican and you are wasting your time talking to them. Just wasted time and space.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 16, 2005 04:18 PM (DAWnL)
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Another Baber: See proof that animals have litters.
Cooling off now. Have a few acres of corn to plant. So bye until.
I see the vote to ban Colon Babler is two to one for banning. Just like the presidential election the majority knows best.
Steven Baber: If I wanted to listen to an asshole. I would fart. Sickness must be a family disorder.
Baberism a sickness that turns dipshits into assholes.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 16, 2005 04:25 PM (DAWnL)
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Poll results this time. 67 to ban the bastard. 34 to allow the creep to continue his stupid tirades against America.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 16, 2005 04:39 PM (DAWnL)
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"I sincerely hope that those who have banned my beloved son Collin from The Jawa Report are brought to trial."
Posted by: Collin's Mother at April 16, 2005 05:14 PM (Un7tK)
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A few acres of corn to plant, greyrooster? You lazy fly-over bastard...are you leaving something out? I know you and a few farm animals have a hump in the hay planned for this afternoon. Nothing like showing little mrs. piggy who's boss, eh? I'm sure you need a blog break, 'cause awl this here typin' is makin' me head bust' or that there sumthin'... You have diagnosed yourself as a Baber, though ("Baberism a sickness that turns dipshits into assholes") so I accept you, my brother. Even if you need a good squeal now and then.
Posted by: steven baber at April 16, 2005 05:33 PM (FogDg)
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This is what you get for boning the milkman, honey. See what you produced? I'm glad I took off with Bambi right after her high school graduation party.
Posted by: Collin Baber's Father at April 16, 2005 06:04 PM (lK7Sh)
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I have learned SO MUCH about TEXAS BASEMENTS today!
Posted by: wavemaker at April 16, 2005 06:26 PM (2GyMB)
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The Bushian War Cult is resposnsible for all the evil in the world.
Posted by: Collin Baber's Milkman at April 16, 2005 06:29 PM (6krEN)
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Anyone who babbles on about being anti=-American = death to Americans, Jim.
hey, I live in TX and have NEVER seen a basement! I'm in the DFW area and the ground is too hard to get a basement put in, although they advertise a lot about "storm shelters and storm rooms".
This is the height of tornado season....I really wish there WERE basements here in the DFW area, I'd be the first to have one....it's gorgeous here, except for those fucking tornado warnings!!
Rooster don't let them get ya down, fuck em.
Posted by: Laura at April 16, 2005 08:34 PM (L3PPO)
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 16, 2005 09:56 PM (fufbw)
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Is that the real Collin?
Posted by: Carlos at April 17, 2005 01:17 AM (8e/V4)
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Dear Carlos,
Glad to be back. To prove it, the following is included -
"The insatiable thirst for petroleum and blood was whipped up into a screaming wild froth in the empire’s gnashing metal teeth."
It's me.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 17, 2005 02:30 AM (fufbw)
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I can't post anything due to questionable content, and nary a questionable word was attempted. Perhaps the words "basement" and "crawlspace" combined with "Texas" in one or two sentences set someone off, I just don't know.
Posted by: -S- at April 17, 2005 03:10 AM (jAgcR)
Posted by: -S- at April 17, 2005 03:28 AM (jAgcR)
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Laura,
so you admit that Collin never said he "wishes death onto America". You admit that YOU (and probably others like you...ahem..greyrooster) equate dissent and critism of our government as "wishing death onto America". He also never said he "hates" America. Again, you think he does because he disagrees with our foreign policy. If you are going to make an arguement for banning, then don't lie about it..it just hurts your case.
But since we are on this topic I think I will explore it further. You also refer to Collin as "the enemy". Last time I checked he wasn't posting from Iraq in between insurgent attacks. I know I know, you are going to say that "disagreeing with America is being an enemy to it" and "you are either with us or against us". We have heard that all before. And it is still bullshit. Same goes for the "propoganda during wartime" card. Exactly how has he hurt America? Greyrooster was so giddy to point out that Collin doesn't get any comments on his blog. Doesn't that prove his lack of influence? Exactly who is he hurting? Did an American die everytime Collin posted a comment? Do the insurgents pass around quotes from Collin's blog among the ranks in order to increase moral and motivate them??? NO. NO. NO NO NO.
The fact is that a majority of you are just too scared to consider an alternative view. It is as simple as that. You are scared that perhaps one time Collin will be right about something and you wouldn't be able to handle that possibility. GREYROOSTER EVEN ADMITTED IT. He said that he has questions of his own but is too afraid to ask because supposedly we would run with it. NO greyrooster. If you have questions then we would discuss it...like civilized people. Unfortunately you never give us a chance to prove it to you. You don't even allow us to ask questions. Well, besides the fact that you are an Asshole to the core, I think this is mainly due to fear.
So Laura, next time you disagree with someone try to have a discussion with them. Don't make false accusations about what they say.
Posted by: Jim at April 17, 2005 06:46 AM (jcSwY)
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The vote to ban the bitch is now 77 to 34 for.
Faggot Jim. You are full of shit. Just another anti-American piss ant trying turn around what others have said. I never said anything that the lying commie bitch said was truth.
I do believe that what sprews from this evil bitch has hurt our efforts in Iraq. I do believe that some misquided, uneducated camel herder has probably read her insane rants and joined the ranks of the enemy believing them to be true.
I do believe that good men fighting against the Islamofacists have been hurt due to her lies. I do believe the slanderous lies by Colon Babeler are a slap in the face of our troops. I have had some of them tell me so. Did you know our troops are not allowed to respond to Colons lies due to security issues. Otherwise they would be. I believe the false information from the insane idiot Colon Babeler is aiding and comforting the enemy. And that is treason. I also believe you and Greg are contributors to the same.
I have achieved what I am about. Faggot Jim, Greg and Colon Babeler have fixated on me. Therefore diminishing their anti-American efforts in other areas. Want proof. Read your posts. The posts of Greg. The posts of Colon Babeler. I win shithead. Love it when a so called educated liberal sits at my poker table. He goes home broke every time. Like taking candy from a baby. You dumbasses can never see around the corner. To busy fixated on what you perceive to be the obvious.
I have many ploys. And you fall for everyone of them. Just like all wacko liberal nutcases. You have a desease. Greg has a desease. Greg is finished with sanity. His claims that the Pentagon was a fake and the World Trade Center was caused by the Jews proves he is now officially insane. Colon and Greg have lost reality. You are next to go. Pack your toothbrush (if you use one). The guys in the white suits are close.
I say ban the commie bitch, Colon Babeler. And keep her banned. The bitch adds to your sickness.
Colon Babeler mother: You couldn't be. Your IP address in not from Red China or Cuba. Besides, kind of hard to believe the bitch has a mother.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 17, 2005 07:32 AM (7bKVh)
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Laura: Never worry about these creeps getting me down. They are responding exactly like I wish them to. I think its hysterical.
As far as fucking them. No thanks.
The vote is still 77 for the ban, 34 against. I didn't know their were so many Babers around. You course you can see Colon running around the neighborhood requesting to use their computer for a few minutes. I would imagine at least 30 of the 34 votes against the ban are fake.
This Steven Baber joker who claims to be its brother must be a real freak. If I had a brother who refers to other men as DEAR Mr. so and so. I would keep him in the closet. Ha, Ha.
Who do these idiots think they are fooling??
Posted by: greyrooster at April 17, 2005 07:59 AM (7bKVh)
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I went to Collin's website.
He's insane.
Try this headline:
U.S. soldiers mutilating bodies, burying checkpoint killings in their vehicle and scooping out prisoners' brains with an MRE spoon
Either he's a deep,
deep undercover Rove operative, or he's an over-the-horizon moonbat.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at April 17, 2005 09:14 AM (+S1Ft)
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Jim,
you don't know what you're talking about. Collin doesn't merely disagree with our "foreign policy", he says this:
"U.S. soldiers mutilating bodies, burying checkpoint killings in their vehicle and scooping out prisoners' brains with an MRE spoon."
This is even worse than Michael Moore wishing for the insurgents to win, and calling them "minutement" and "the Revolution", and then trying to pass himself off as a patriot. He's a traitor.
And anybody who spreads lies about our troops, like Collin, is a traitor. It's a statement of fact, not an insult.
Posted by: Carlos at April 17, 2005 09:51 AM (8e/V4)
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Klansman Rooster, I don't "Dear" anyone, which proves you are clutching at thin air... Maybe the agent orange has rotten your hick brain beyond reality? I hear you have a family history of fighting for lies and lost causes. Take the corn cob outta yer ass, lay off the sauce and take another look beyond your zip code, bubba bo peep. Coffins fly everyday. Nothing like dying for corporate profit and the modern day crusade!
Carlos, I think you secretly want to toss Michael Moore's salad.
Laura, you mean you pussies can't even dig a hole in the ground to hide from nipple twisters? Pathetic. Pick up a shovel, you sow...that tornado magnet trailer of yours is goin' up up up up...
Posted by: steven baber at April 17, 2005 12:08 PM (FogDg)
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79 to 34 for the banning the Darth Vader of the evil empire.
Steven Babeler, babeling incoherently. The liberals are once again losing so they resort to the common practice of finger pointing and foul language. We win. You can always tell by the pathetic jestures of the evil left. Presidential election or other. These sad little cry babies always resort to the same whinning. What a bunch of sad little people the Babers are.
Yahoo, someone took the time to go to the website. More need to go and see for themselves. Just go to www.dogpile.com and type in collin baber. Find out for yourselves what the world thinks of the commie bitch. Steven Babeler is the same. Note incoherent ramblings about dying for corporate profit and the modern day crusade. Now he's against corporations. Insanity is guiding them. They sound just like a bunch of Maoists. Hell they are a bunch Maoists.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 17, 2005 12:33 PM (sqa1t)
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Steven Babeler is too damn stupid to understand that I was referring to his worthless commie brother as the one who starts all posts with Dear. But of course he is an idiot. To believe the shit he does you have to be dumb as a rock.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 17, 2005 12:42 PM (sqa1t)
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Gay Rooster, if you're not going to take out the corncob, at least give it a firm twist for me. Is it true that only steers and queers come from Tex-ass? Do you have any teeth? Did you marry your mother? Sister? By the way, if you claim to not be a finger pointer, why are you so intimidated by my bro's words? Reading you reactions to his words is hilarious. Do us a favor and drink some more moonshine...I like throwing rocks into your hornet's nest.
Posted by: steven baber at April 17, 2005 12:43 PM (FogDg)
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Faggot Jim: You're a traitor. Ha, ha. Ask and you shall receive. Traitor.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 17, 2005 12:47 PM (sqa1t)
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81 to 37 in favor of banning the creep. How did the commie sneak in 30 votes. Must be running from library to library asking little kids to vote his way.
And the babler keeps on babeling while getting his ass kicked in the poll. Keep up your insane rantings. If you Bablers weren't friggin nutcases the vote wouldn't be so one sided. You lose commie creep.
Now how about more of your poor loser remarks just to show people what you so called caring liberal dipshits really are. No one's intimidated by the lies sprewing forth from your bro. We just feel that he is a boring traitor, a liar and an insane piece of shit. Just like you.
Your bro calls other men dear. Who do you think you are fooling.
Dumbass. Try again Greg.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 17, 2005 04:39 PM (sqa1t)
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Collin is back lol. He uses proxies, and you CAN'T ban all the thousands of proxies around the world lol.
Posted by: tiger at April 17, 2005 05:37 PM (/Qjxx)
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Dear Greyrooster,
I found the source of the alleged Fallujah quote: http://arkansas.indymedia.org/feature/display/4880
As you can see, someone else said those heinous words.
All you have to do is apologize, mate.
The MRE spoon issue was not invented by this person. All posts at depthomelandinsecurity.blogspot.com are based on events reported in media. Sources are listed in each posting and the MR461 post is compiled from events observed beginning on 9/11/2001 up to the present.
My brother Steve is not as restrained as I. He is a free agent.
Good luck controlling him, as I couldn't.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 17, 2005 06:01 PM (FV4oJ)
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87 votes to ban the traitor. 34 to keep him. Ban the little creep. The people have spoken by a two to one margin.
I don't speak to traitors.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 17, 2005 08:49 PM (sqa1t)
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Dear Mr. Greyrooster,
If you wish to use uncouth words to describe me as a bizarre projected self-object, it is your choice. However, should you decide to directly attribute words to me that I did not say, then it becomes an issue of contention. A public apology will suffice.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 17, 2005 11:06 PM (FV4oJ)
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What?! Nah, bro. You are the one who is too restrained. Let's give him a nice lynching that even he would admire! The impotent cock is limp as a wet noodle, stroking his poodle, cocka-doodle. Come on, gay rooster...give us what you got. We'll just spank your bitch ass till you're sucking Osama's left nut.
Posted by: steven baber at April 17, 2005 11:25 PM (FogDg)
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hubba-bubba report, signing off...
Posted by: steven baber at April 17, 2005 11:26 PM (FogDg)
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Dear Greyrooster,
Once my brother decides on an objective, there is no stopping him. No one can control him, except him.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 17, 2005 11:36 PM (FV4oJ)
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Gayrooster, you are an old, wrinkled, stinky piece of shit. You are a disgrace to your race. When you are not going to gay gangbangs with your dick sucking partner "Kim", you are probably forcing your daughters to jack you off under gun point. You are a DICK and in more ways than one...isn't that right DICK? How about you overdose on c_i_a_l_i_s and do the rest of the world a favor? Always talking hard like you some big shit but whenever someone brings it you say "i know some young bucks who blah blah blah blah blah." We all know that you know some young gay bucks who take turns raping your wrinkled ass every weekend. You call it "fishing" but we know why you come back pissed and go off on this blog.
I don't like resorting to this type of "banter" but you don't seem to understand any other language. I think its because you are too stupid. Perhaps you were dropped as a boy what, 80 years ago? Just remember, you started it. You reap what you sow bitch. So shut the fuck up slut.
Posted by: Jim at April 18, 2005 02:48 AM (jcSwY)
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Oh and Carlos, I don't know what is happening over there. Neither do you. I take everything I hear about "attrocities" with a grain of salt because deep down I hope that things like that don't happen in this day and age. But I have seen "hints" of it before. I know that attrocities have occured in the past during wartime. It is the nature of war. War is an ugly thing. It is even more ugly than gayrooster if that is at all possible. So excuse me for being a skeptic when you dismiss what Collin says as "lies". I hope that they are untrue but I refuse to move them out of the realm of possibility. So while you guys raise your "traitor" flags, I go to sleep every night hoping that this war will end. Because with all the good things that come about from it, there are also bad things. And unless you can prove to me that the bad things are NOT happening (which neither of you can), then I will not change my position.
Posted by: Jim at April 18, 2005 02:58 AM (jcSwY)
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It is hard to be a patriot these days.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 18, 2005 03:31 AM (FV4oJ)
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Collin, Fuck off you commie traitor.
Posted by: filthy allah at April 18, 2005 05:33 AM (37sN1)
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Dear Filthy,
Please elaborate.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 18, 2005 05:46 AM (FV4oJ)
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Collin,
No, it is not. It is the easiest thing in the world to be a patriot of this great country. I am sorry that you do not seem to understand that.
I voted to have you un-banned, but it is rude to keep coming back where you have been asked to leave. However, there are far worse things than being rude, such as passing along unsubstantiated lies about American and coaliton troops. Shame on you sir.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 18, 2005 08:06 AM (lVjfM)
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Faggot Jim is back to his insane babeling. Notice the more they lose the more irrational they become. Looney tunes. Another word for a liberal who can't get his way. Faggot Jim, you lose again.
Now back to your homosexual rantings about sucking dicks, asses and such. Your normal response. The response of a nutcase faggot. I always knew you were one. Your fixation on dicks is obvious. Thats why I named you Faggot Jim. Continue on with your homosexual ravings. You are showing who you really are.
You were easy to expose. I prefer more challenging competition. A true mental midget you are. You couldn't tell which way an elevator was going if you had two guesses.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 18, 2005 08:31 AM (OJsiJ)
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CHAD EVANS: More input from you on this blog would be appreciated.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 18, 2005 08:33 AM (OJsiJ)
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What is a patriot anyway?
Posted by: A Finn at April 18, 2005 08:51 AM (eFE81)
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C-Span To Cover 911 Truth Talk At UW-Madison Monday
http://www.rense.com/general64/truet.htm
The nationwide news network C-span has broken the blackout on the 9/11 truth movement, raising hopes that other media outlets will follow, by deciding to broadcast a lecture by David Ray Griffin in Madison Monday night
Posted by: greg at April 18, 2005 09:01 AM (/+dAV)
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C-Span recently broke blackout on holocaust deniers too. One wonders if they will give air time to those who might debunk these wild ass claims. I suspect not.
Rense.com
Oh man, thats an awesome site. The collective conspiracies available on that sight can keep you laughing for hours.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 18, 2005 09:27 AM (jPCiN)
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"What is a patriot anyway?"- A Finn
1) one who blindly accepts anything the government tells them.
2) one who loves his her country and will fight to keep it on track even if it means bumping heads with the government.
I'm type 2, but most on this blog are type 1.
Posted by: greg at April 18, 2005 10:19 AM (/+dAV)
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Jim,
when you Lefties finally come up with a source other than Al-Jazeera quoting a jihadi about "atrocities," then maybe your rants won't be so laughable. Give us some semi-serious sources next time and you won't be laughed out of the room
First you Libs tried the "dead innocents" route, and when that didn't work you tried the 100 million kazillion dead innocents lie. And when that didn't work you went tried the "atrocities" argument. One lie after another, as long as it's for a good cause, right?
You don't care what the source is, because you WANT it to be true. You NEED it to be true to justify your moonbatiness.
Posted by: Carlos at April 18, 2005 10:37 AM (paKD6)
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Patriot: One who loves, supports, and defends one's country.
Or more recently:
Bastardized word used to frame politcal speech inferring that anyone who disagree's with said bill or politcal speech must be the opposite of the above definition.
Posted by: Howie at April 18, 2005 10:42 AM (D3+20)
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I'm really curious what drives the blind worship of Bush...
Can everyone (including me) answer the following questions:
Where were you during 9/11, and how did you hear about it specifically?
Why did we invade Iraq?
Do you think this country is better off since Bush came to power?
Do you think the electoral system is accurate and fair?
How do you determine what you read/see/hear is true or factual?
Posted by: steven baber at April 18, 2005 11:03 AM (FogDg)
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Greyrooster, thank you for sharing your desire for more comments on this blog. I'm just not much of a commenter and Rusty usually emails me hate-email after I make a comment (curses!).
Kirk, a basement blog. Hmmm. Greg, see where the basement comments have started to go? Heh. To the architects and basement fans, is a wine cellar also considered a basement? I have not seen one out of the movies, but I do wonder if architectually speaking they are one in the same.
Posted by: Chad Evans at April 18, 2005 11:17 AM (VfW+X)
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"I'm really curious what drives the blind worship of Bush..."
Yeah, no partisan intent here.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 18, 2005 11:39 AM (jPCiN)
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Where were you during 9/11, and how did you hear about it specifically?
----I was in NYC. I saw the people jumping, body parts on the pavement and the towers falling. I didn't hear about it for a while through the media because the airwaves were so compromised. A interesting note: New Yorkers didn't vote for Bush in 2004. Most felt he was exploiting their tragedy, especially in the 2004 race. It was sick to hear how many times "9/11" was said at the RNC. The visitors from out of town needed so much security because New Yorkers are tough mother fuckers and don't like someone dancing on a brother's grave to get a vote. Karl Rove is a brilliant man, but I think he has shitty morals.
Why did we invade Iraq?
----Many reasons, few of which I think were legitimate. Saddam was not involved in 9/11, and such has been proven over and over and accepted even by the current administration. Yes, Saddam is a tyrant. There are tyrants like him all over the world that do even worse things than him, but they have no oil.
More Iraqis have died in the past 4 years than the last 4 years when Saddam was in power. We have absolutely fucked up taking over the country and though democracy is a great thing, it's a joke to think they have one. We barely do! We have more of a hypocrisy than a democracy. Poor people in this country are shafted or sent to war while the rich keep getting richer and gaining more control. Sadly, I think most of us don't wake up or react to this till our comfort levels are challenged. Our water always runs, we always have gas for our cars, nobody is trying to take us over...yet. So we remain ignorant because we are comfortable.
Do you think this country is better off since Bush came to power?
----No. The facts support me on this if you compare Bush to past presidencies. He's the farthest thing from a conservative when you realize how much of our money and future he's spent. What some people say is 'resolve' I think is narrow-minded and stubborn. Some people call him a 'layman' and I call him a mediocre simpleton. While I'm on that note, I've seen footage of Texas debates he was in and he was sharp as a tack and kicking ass. What happened? Some neurologists have even claimed he shows signs of early Alzheimer's disease.
Do you think the electoral system is accurate and fair?
----I think the popular vote should be the take-all. I also think that voting machines are unreliable and can be rigged too easily. One sign of distress for me in 2004 was that I was always hearing about touch screen machines popping out extra votes for Bush and never for Kerry...why was that? I didn't like either candidate, I might add...though I voted for Kerry along with many Republicans I know who gave up on Bush.
How do you determine what you read/see/hear is true or factual?
----It's almost impossible. With technology you can do almost anything to change video, audio, pictures. People can be extremely biased or paid off. News is always interpreted and regurgitated over and over and therefore loses it's integrity and accuracy over time. Unless I see something in person, I always keep this in mind when taking in any media...especially because news is also viewed as entertainment and there is no end to how it is exaggerated and blown out of proportion. Terri Shiavo never should have been front page news. That should have been a private matter, not a public spectacle...no matter what you believed her fate should have been. I feel she was exploited and that shameless people took advantage of her situation. Either way, on this note...if Bush is so pro-life, why has he executed so many people in Texas? Why does he seem to be proud to proclaim himself as the "War President"?
Posted by: steven baber at April 18, 2005 11:42 AM (FogDg)
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"Partisan intent", defense guy? Are you claiming not to be a partisan? Is anyone NOT one? I don't know anyone who sits on the fence when it comes to politics. What I was referring to was my confusion why pro-Bush people I meet seem to blindly support him, no matter what is presented or said. The left thinks the right is insane, the right thinks the left is insane. Then there are few who (like me) think both sides are insane. Most of this in my eyes is the fault of PARTISAN NEWS! Liberal or GOP biased. News can't be held accountable because of free speech, which is an essential right, but then leaves us with news that amounts to gossip and even lies. What do you think is the answer?
Posted by: steven baber at April 18, 2005 11:50 AM (FogDg)
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Siding with Bush on the invasion of Iraq does not equate to blind subserviance to the man. I disagree with him on many other issues. I disagree with you on the notion that nothing is knowable because everything is partisan. I think the problem you are having is giving equal weight to anyone who makes claim to something, coupled with an intense dislike (or outright hatred) of the sitting president.
Also, the left does not think the right is insane, it thinks we are evil. Those are the current talking points.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 18, 2005 12:07 PM (jPCiN)
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Despite my better judgement not to answer Steven's questions, I will in the format he himself answered.
Where were you . . .
I was about to leave for work when I turned on ABC and saw the coverage of the first plane. Believing it was a small plane and an accident, I reached for the remote when I saw the second plane hit. Even though whether or not NYers voted for Bush was not in the question, I will again oblige. Many Republicans, and even some Democrats, were more concerned with John Kerry's refusal to give the threat of terrorism a higher platform in his candidacy than with the repeated 9/11 mentions. It seemed as if Kerry would have wanted to bring this country back to where we were in the 1990s as far as our knowledge of and reaction to radical Islam. This frightened more people than the supposed "Republican scare tactics." The truth should not be frightening.
Why did we invade Iraq?
Several reasons, none of which was for oil as the predisposed anit-Bush belief stems from. If this was the case, we would have already milked Iraq of oil time and time again yet we have not. Oil was supposed to help pay for the rebuilding or Iraq remember? The most compelling of the ten reasons the President sent to Congress, which I must add overwhelmingly voted in favor for (before they didn't?), was to spread Democracy in the Middle East. President Bush believes, as do many other Americans and people world-wide, that a Democratic state would all but eliminate radical Islam. Iraq has a peudo-Democracy right now, but a Democracy growing out of a dictatorship does not flower overnight. Iraqis are on the right step and taking the right leaps; we should support them.
Do you think this country is better off since Bush came to power?
That all depends. If you feel that the threat of radical Islam is a major threat to our way of life, then you bet we are. If you view it as a criminal activity for the police to deal with, no. Again, we saw during the 90s what sitting back and doing little to nothing to face the threat of radical Islam can do.
Do you think the electoral system is accurate and fair?
It is completely fair and accurate based on a Republic, which is the type of government the U.S. operates under. A true Democracy is unfortunately not feasible at this time in a country of millions. There's a reason why you, Steven, heard stories of voting irregularities concerning voting machines for Bush and against Kerry. Bush won and Kerry lost. Would you expect people to complain to the opposite?
How do you determine what you read/see/hear is true or factual?
Read numerous sources and use your own intellect. Recognize opinion words and opinion-based "news" stories that appear on the front page for news.
Posted by: Chad Evans at April 18, 2005 12:13 PM (VfW+X)
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Ah...I see your point, Defense Guy. I wouldn't say I hate Bush, but I do dislike him to a degree. I really don't think he is responsible for most of what the left thinks he is...he just a face on a larger problem to me. I also don't think the right is evil or insane, though I constantly see them claim the other is. I think Saddam deserves the same fate as what he has wrought on his own people...the problem I have is that we rushed into this fucking mess, and now we're in a shithole. We didn't get any support from the nations that count (the ones with real power) and you know there are going to be tons of future terrorists coming out of there from how we've handled this. I think the kids growing up in that crap are going to do far worse than 9/11 in the future. As far as knowing from the media...I rarely believe anything fully unless the left, right, moderate and foreign news all agree on the same thing, more or less.
Posted by: steven baber at April 18, 2005 12:46 PM (FogDg)
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". . . the problem I have is that we rushed into this fucking mess, and now we're in a shithole. We didn't get any support from the nations that count (the ones with real power) and you know there are going to be tons of future terrorists coming out of there from how we've handled this."
Rushed how? You have to understand that at the time the world's top five intelligence agencies believed Iraq had WMD stockpiles and WMD procurement facilities. This was not just a U.S./CIA belief; even Saddam's own generals believed this. Saddam funded, housed and trained terrorists as this all has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt after the invasion. The world could not sit by and let a country, that could easily be toppled I might add, posses and make WMDs (that was the belief) that trained, funded and housed terrorists.
What nations count? I would consider England, Australia, Italy, Spain, etc. as countries that count. All four of the countries I listed have been strong allies of the United States for decades.
Now whether or not future jihadis will rise out of this conflict is not yet known. What we do know is that the jihadis who have attacked Coalition forces in the area have been routinely wiped out. It is the belief of President Bush, and again of many others, that Democracy will cure this ailment.
I believe Democracy is strong medicine to radical Islam, however more needs to be done. This is where helping matters out by offering suggestions instead of just blasting anything Bush would be helpful. Unfortunately the world's problem has once again been placed only on the United States.
Posted by: Chad Evans at April 18, 2005 12:59 PM (VfW+X)
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Chad, good points...the alarming thing to me is that it seems now that after the research and reports came out that many of the main reasons for invading Iraq were based on false evidence: WMD were not found. I'm sure Saddam would love to have nukes, and would have given enough time, but I despise being lied to by our government. They need to be held accountable for shit like that, and when is the last time you saw that? I don't see democracy as a solution to this problem. I think the two biggest problems our world faces is greed and radicalism in religion. Greed is the root of almost everything corrupt. Religions (Christian or Islamic) can breed some wacko fuckers who kill and harm people purely because they don't agree with you! I mean, how screwed up and brainwashed do you have to be to kill people based on a difference of opinion?! What's even more sick is that people really do believe they are doing it for a higher power or good cause.
Posted by: steven baber at April 18, 2005 01:01 PM (FogDg)
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Rushed how?
---Well, I sure of hell think Osama should have been nailed first, since he was responsible for 9/11, not Saddam. The problem is, once you nail one of these guys, someone quickly replaces them. Converting a country of people to Democracy isn't so easy when these people are so pissed off at us for occupying them. There is a real hatred for America abroad and it's ignorant to think it's because people are jealous or "hate freedom". America has been hated long before Bush was in power. America has a habit of helping and screwing over other countries...just take a look at big corporations taking advantage of workers overseas AND screwing over American workers at the same time by shipping jobs out for cheap. These sweatshop people get nothing for working like crazy. We have companies like Bechtel trying to privatize WATER. People couldn't even collect fucking rainwater because Bechtel claimed to own it! Luckily the people took to the streets (with casualties and injuries) and won. A huge chunk of the world seems to think America is a bully, that we are fat, lazy, greedy and stupid. We all know it's a mixed bag, but how do we convince the rest of the world? By being responsible and fair? Are we?
Posted by: steven baber at April 18, 2005 01:16 PM (FogDg)
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Steven
Do you not see the untenable position that you have put us in. Do nothing about the evils of the world and get blamed for doing nothing. Act and get blamed for rushing or actually causing people to hate us.
Also, a huge chunk of the world does nothing to end tyranny and then cries like little babies when someone actually does. Those that cried the loudest in relation to Saddam and Iraq have been found to be complicit in the undermining of the embargos that the UN was supposed to have in place. It is posturing. When and if another European country finds itself embroiled in another petty war, they will suddenly realize that the Americans are not so bad.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 18, 2005 01:47 PM (jPCiN)
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"Do you not see the untenable position that you have put us in. Do nothing about the evils of the world and get blamed for doing nothing. Act and get blamed for rushing or actually causing people to hate us."
----I didn't say to do nothing. I just think there's got be better ways to do it. I think it's pathetic that we haven't nabbed Osama. Why can't we get people close enough to take him out? With our satellites, intelligence operatives, moles, etc...there just seems like there's no excuse. In Saddam's case, we sounded stupid asking him to give up weapons he didn't even have! We have a responsibility in this world for our country to use it's power wisely. I think the whole mess in Iraq could have been dealt with much better than what Bush has done...and I don't think Kerry was the guy to do it either. Don't even get me going on Nader, he's a fucking joke.
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Those that cried the loudest in relation to Saddam and Iraq have been found to be complicit in the undermining of the embargos that the UN was supposed to have in place. It is posturing.
----Well, you said it right there. Undermining embargos for profit is the corporate way...Europe will do it. Haliburton does it (Libya), they all do it. Very few are held accountable, and it's not like there's a world govt. (yet) where are the regulations and laws are enforced equally. It's also a catch-22 because corporate influence over washington will prevent the right laws from being passed to make corporations responsible. Greed is actually admired in this country... Wouldn't it be amazing if there was a cap on wealth? Think about this: what if you were only allowed to have about 10 million. Anything above would be donated to education, healthcare, roads and bridges, etc. Few could say that anyone NEEDS more than 10 million. This rule would not count towards property...I'm talking Bill Gates material here. Think of how much the quality of living for everyone would be if this was the case. Imagine the opportunities for people. The people with 10 million would still be filthy rich, no? This isn't hippie shit...I'm not talking about handouts, I'm talking about not being a bunch of hoarding bitch-asses.
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"Do you not see the untenable position that you have put us in. Do nothing about the evils of the world and get blamed for doing nothing. Act and get blamed for rushing or actually causing people to hate us."
----I didn't say to do nothing. I just think there's got be better ways to do it. I think it's pathetic that we haven't nabbed Osama. Why can't we get people close enough to take him out? With our satellites, intelligence operatives, moles, etc...there just seems like there's no excuse. In Saddam's case, we sounded stupid asking him to give up weapons he didn't even have! We have a responsibility in this world for our country to use it's power wisely. I think the whole mess in Iraq could have been dealt with much better than what Bush has done...and I don't think Kerry was the guy to do it either. Don't even get me going on Nader, he's a fucking joke.
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Those that cried the loudest in relation to Saddam and Iraq have been found to be complicit in the undermining of the embargos that the UN was supposed to have in place. It is posturing.
----Well, you said it right there. Undermining embargos for profit is the corporate way...Europe will do it. Haliburton does it (Libya), they all do it. Very few are held accountable, and it's not like there's a world govt. (yet) where are the regulations and laws are enforced equally. It's also a catch-22 because corporate influence over washington will prevent the right laws from being passed to make corporations responsible. Greed is actually admired in this country... Wouldn't it be amazing if there was a cap on wealth? Think about this: what if you were only allowed to have about 10 million. Anything above would be donated to education, healthcare, roads and bridges, etc. Few could say that anyone NEEDS more than 10 million. This rule would not count towards property...I'm talking Bill Gates material here. Think of how much the quality of living for everyone would be if this was the case. Imagine the opportunities for people. The people with 10 million would still be filthy rich, no? This isn't hippie shit...I'm not talking about handouts, I'm talking about not being a bunch of hoarding bitch-asses.
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Oops. Double-posting.
Posted by: steven baber at April 18, 2005 03:25 PM (FogDg)
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Dear Defense,
This person has seen the most arrogant, naked and illegal aggression committed by a band of unabashed self-serving and lying thugs take place. All of this was done in the name of the United States, this person's home country. As a patriot, this person is absolutely enraged and morally disgusted that the United States has become amorally subservient to such profiteering warmongers and sadists.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 18, 2005 06:36 PM (FV4oJ)
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"Religions (Christian or Islamic) can breed some wacko fuckers who kill and harm people purely because they don't agree with you! I mean, how screwed up and brainwashed do you have to be to kill people based on a difference of opinion?!"
I'd say the Islamics are ahead these days.
"Terri Shiavo never should have been front page news. That should have been a private matter, not a public spectacle...no matter what you believed her fate should have been. I feel she was exploited and that shameless people took advantage of her situation."
A person's life snuffed out, not on the front page news?
"Either way, on this note...if Bush is so pro-life, why has he executed so many people in Texas?"
The old argumenent equating criminal life with fetuses. That makes sense. Two different situations, Steve.
Posted by: Collin's Mother at April 18, 2005 07:01 PM (g65BF)
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But Mom! Dammit...hahaha. Are the Islamic ahead? I heard the civilian death count from US soldiers in Iraq is past 500,000 and creeping towards 1,000,000. I'm also referring to the Crusades and anything where religion sparked genocide or suffering. I'm not picking on any particular religion, just so you know.
I wouldn't exactly say that Terri had a life...it's sad when that happens to someone, but almost everyone would want the plug pulled on themselves if they were in her shoes. It just sucks she didn't have a living will and it blew up like it did. It's just crazy to me when that's front page news and massacres in Africa aren't.
As far as the death penalty? I'm for it, as long as it's really damn sure the person is guilty. I don't want to pay for a psycho's gym holiday in Attica. I don't support abortion after the 2nd trimester ...unless the woman is underage and/or a victim of nasty underage family buggery. Shit, that's how blockheads like gayrooster end up in here!
Posted by: steven baber at April 18, 2005 08:08 PM (FogDg)
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90 votes to ban the commie. 43 votes to keep it. 40 of the 43 votes were made by colon babeler and hencemen.
Ban the bitch. The people have spoken.
If Bush was pro life why has he executed so many in Texas?
(1) Because they murdered innocent people. Sometimes horribly.
(2) Because the jury who tried them decided 12 to 0 that it was a just thing to do.
(3) Because the Judge who tried the case agreed with the jury.
(4)Because the appeals court agree with the decision.
(5) because they needed killin. "my favorite reason"
(6) because the taxpayers shouldn't have to foot the bill to house people who kill others.
(7) because they might escape and kill again.
(
because they might kill a guard.
(9) because they might kill another inmate who does have a future.
(10) Because the greyrooster would write Bush a nasty letter,talk about his mama and never again send a check to the Republican party if he ignored the will of the people.
Now you know why.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 18, 2005 08:19 PM (OJsiJ)
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Steven Babler: Your mother would have made more money on skidrow if she had required rubbers instead of having you two degenerate commies.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 18, 2005 08:51 PM (OJsiJ)
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My friend Greyrooster,
I assure you from the bottom of my heart that I have no love of communism and only voted once.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 18, 2005 09:31 PM (FV4oJ)
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Gayrooster, I'm comin' up the river to getcha...gonna hog-tie ya to a tree and let the birds peck at yer saggy scrotum. Then I'll have my way with your wifey-poo and show her a real man... A nice conclusion includes me giving you a nice tar & feather, then letting your KKK buddies come by and give you a nice bukkaki. Sound fun?
Posted by: steven baber at April 18, 2005 09:46 PM (FogDg)
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You are both rejects. Traitors, punks and commies.
Come on by. We will enjoy having you. Why the interest in my wife? Tired of your mother?
Posted by: greyrooster at April 19, 2005 06:04 AM (K/qjk)
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Steve: Hey, I thought moms were supposed to stick up for their kids!
"Are the Islamic ahead? I heard the civilian death count from US soldiers in Iraq is past 500,000 and creeping towards 1,000,000. I'm also referring to the Crusades and anything where religion sparked genocide or suffering. I'm not picking on any particular religion, just so you know."
I understand. I was pointing out that the terrorist killings are done because of Islam, while the killings done by Christians were done contrary to official Church teaching.
"I wouldn't exactly say that Terri had a life...it's sad when that happens to someone, but almost everyone would want the plug pulled on themselves if they were in her shoes. It just sucks she didn't have a living will and it blew up like it did. It's just crazy to me when that's front page news and massacres in Africa aren't."
She was a live, and therefore had life. The Church said that she should have been given food and water, which I don't think is too much. I agree that some media exploited the story to sell papers, and other injustices in the world shold not be ignored.
"As far as the death penalty? I'm for it, as long as it's really damn sure the person is guilty. I don't want to pay for a psycho's gym holiday in Attica. I don't support abortion after the 2nd trimester ...unless the woman is underage and/or a victim of nasty underage family buggery."
I agree here, Steve--err on the side of caution unless there are witnesses or it's caught on film! But abortion is always wrong. Even a child created due to unatural relations (it wouldn't let me type the "i" word!) has human dignity and a right to exist.
Hey, just curious--on what topics do you and your bro disagree?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 19, 2005 07:33 AM (x+5JB)
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Dear YBP,
Most likely nitnat things like the second law of thermodynamics, favorite music and to what degree of severity we would both like to punish Mr. Zarqawi and his sadistic head-chopper ilk. Otherwise, we both are both very, very enraged at the sordid transgressions of the Bushian Warfare Cult.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 19, 2005 07:52 AM (FV4oJ)
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This topic isn't worth 184 posts.
Posted by: Venom at April 19, 2005 08:37 AM (dbxVM)
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I thought Gayrooster might relate to this:
Money Quote:
James Wolcott on Rush Limbaugh's recent on-air tirade about kids these days only being interested in "blow jobs": "He sounded bitter. I've seen this rancor inflict so many middle-aged men. Reading about all the oral sex young people are presumably having, they feel envious and resentful. No classmates were treating them to afterschool blowjobs in high school! Nor were hot teachers like that one in Florida seducing them in parked cars. It doesn't seem fair. It doesn't seem just. We're living in the Golden Age of BJs, and men in Rush's recumbent position feel barred from Eden, forced to imagine the action from their recliners as they stare sullenly at their plasma screens."
Posted by: steven baber at April 19, 2005 11:06 AM (FogDg)
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Young Bourbon Professional, in my opinion, the decision to keep Terri alive or remove a feeding tube was irrelevant. The important issue to me was that it's not Bush or Congress's business to put into politics a sensitive private family matter.
I've always thought abortion is a private woman's decision. I personally think it's wrong once a fetus starts developing a central nervous system or cerebelum. I guess to me, you are a person when you start having reflexes in the womb...which is very very soon. The thing is, in instances of "i" or "r" the woman has been violated and shouldn't be forced to birth a product of violence or molestation. Agree or dissagree, women will find a way to abort legally or not. It's a never ending arguement....when does life or a person begin to exist and are the women doing it murderers, etc. You have to admit though, it's pretty fucked up when someone justifies bombing an abortion clinic to "stop murder".
As far as topics my bro and I dissagree on...hahaha. Actually, there aren't many since we're both commie, moon-bat maoists living in China!
Questions to anyone:
-What do you think of Hilary '08? Condi? Jeb?
-What do you drive, car? truck? SUV?
Posted by: steven baber at April 19, 2005 11:30 AM (FogDg)
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CORMAN
"Colonel Sanderson was one of the most outstanding officers this country has ever produced. He was brilliant and outstanding in every way, and he was a good man too. Humanitarian man, a man of wit and humor... He joined the Bushians. After that, his ideas, methods have
become unsound... Unsound."
LUCAS
"Now he's crossed into Mississippi with his strange following, who
listen to the man, like a god, and follow every order however ridiculous."
...................
LUCAS
"Sanderson had mistakenly believed Collin Baber had joined forces with Satan in Fallujah and had be destroyed, along with a large part of the Muslim world. So, he grabbed his keyboard and began typing viciously with his own hands."
CORMAN
"Well, you see Willard... In this war, things get confused out there. Power, ideals, the old morality, practical military necessity. Out there in Bogue Chitto, it must be a temptation to be God. Because there's a conflict in every human heart between the rational and the irrational, between good and evil. The good does not always triumph.
Sometimes the dark side overcomes what Lincoln called the better angels of our nature. Every man has got a breaking point. You and I have one. Colonel Sanderson has reached his. And very obviously, he has gone insane."
WILLARD
"Yes sir, very much so sir. Obviously insane."
LUCAS
"Your mission is to proceed up the Pearl River in a Civilian bass boat. Pick up Colonel Sanderson's path at Picayune, follow it, learn what you can along the way. When you find the Colonel, infiltrate his communication network by whatever means available and disconnect the Colonel's cable modem."
WILLARD
"Disconnect.. the modem?"
CORMAN
"He's out there blogging without any decent restraint, totally beyond the pale of any acceptable intercultural conduct. And he is still in the forest, attacking the Muslim world."
CIVILIAN
"Disconnect.. his extreme prejudice."
LUCAS
"You understand Captain... , that this operation does
not exist, nor will it ever exist."
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 20, 2005 01:28 AM (FV4oJ)
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Steve:
I still maintain that a person's life is not a "sensitive private family matter." We are social beings, and the starvation of anyone in the U.S. should concern us all.
"abortion is a private woman's decision"
Same here. We need to protect all innocent human life. I say that life is never "private." Suicide is against the law. The fact that some people may still seek abortions were they illegal is irrelevant. Where do we draw the line with letting people who were conceived in violence. Do we kill living kids whose parents are related or who were conceived in rape? That doesn't diminish the worth of the child. I don't think exterminating someone in order to make a "perfect world" is the solution. The Church teaches that people are human at conception. Why don't people who may not be Christians err on the side of caution, like we feel should be the case with capital punishmnet?
"You have to admit though, it's pretty fucked up when someone justifies bombing an abortion clinic to 'stop murder'."
No argument here. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Please explain "moon-bat," you commie-pinko. (Kidding)
I drive a car. A very old car.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 20, 2005 07:13 AM (x+5JB)
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Quothe Greg,
"Improbulus Maximus,
If the gloves ever do come off, I'll blow your fucking brains out. Happy Buy a Gun Day!
Greg"
Posted by: greg at April 15, 2005 03:27 PM
So you're a badass eh big boy? It's easy to make threats on the internet, especially from waaaaaay down in Texas. If you ever get a chance to come up to Knoxville, Tennessee, let me know. I'll meet you at the airport, take you to an undisclosed location, give you a loaded gun, and watch you piss your pants while I laugh at you, you dickless little nancy boy. You're like all other liberals, a chickenshit coward like the guy who hit the little old lady in Missouri. Fuck you very much and have a nice day.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 25, 2005 03:20 PM (0yYS2)
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