April 24, 2006
Muslim Small Talk Banned in Bathrooms
According to Islamic rules, talking in the bathroom is prohibited. In response to an inquiry from a reader concerning the acceptability of simple greetings in the john, an expert provided the following.
From ArabNews.com:
The Islamic greeting, Salam alaikum, uses one of God's names, Salam, which means "peace," and offers it to whomever we are greeting. We should always show profound respect to God and His attributes. A bathroom is not a place where people should indulge in conversation or discuss any matter. It is a place where people answer the call of nature and leave, or they take off their clothes to have a shower. Islamic manners make it clear that the less said in a bathroom the better.
Hence, we must not mention Gods name or the name of the Prophet Muhammad or any prophet there. We are better advised to do whatever we need to do and leave.
Reflecting on
personal experience from working at a large firm with many Muslim engineers, the no-talking-in-bathroom characteristic was noticed but attributed to a general standoffishness. Who knew?
Nevertheless, the specific punishment for talking in the bathroom isn't discussed in the article. I would guess that it includes the washing of the offender's mouth with soap and a few Islamic demerits. Naturally, all infidels should be forewarned not to expect a response when they say, "Hey, Abu. What have you been eating, man?"
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Er...
As a follower of "the code", I am also prohibited from talking in the bathroom. But that's just the male code. I'm not sure why we needed to get Allah involved in all this.
Posted by: Macktastick Rusty Wicked at April 24, 2006 07:23 PM (JQjhA)
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So, my son walks into the room, sees what I wrote, and asks, "What about whistling? Can Muslims whistle in the bathroom?"
Hell if I know. They might be banned from whistling.
Posted by: Mike at April 24, 2006 08:07 PM (Crzmo)
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Apparently, they also have a proscription against flushing or cleaning up the stall when they're done.
At least, the ones at my last Silicon Valley workplace did.
Posted by: Russ at April 24, 2006 09:47 PM (utsLN)
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If Allah didn't want Muslims to talk in the Bathroom, why did he make it so people need to take a dump anyway?
Logic. the real enemy of Islam.
Posted by: davec at April 24, 2006 11:48 PM (CcXvt)
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Man these people have a lot of phobias.
Posted by: Oyster at April 25, 2006 04:51 AM (YudAC)
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davec,
I seem to remember that when Muslims get to Paradise they will no longer have to take the No. 2, but it will somehow perspirate through the skin. That would give body odor a whole new meaning!
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 25, 2006 06:36 AM (rUyw4)
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LOL! If that's the case JJ, it'll be interesting to watch the person try to squeeze peanuts and seeds out of their pores.
Posted by: Graeme at April 25, 2006 07:50 AM (N5vCl)
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"Man, these people have a lot of phobias."
Oyster, you are so right, and they exist because these people, in their minds at least, have never left the Dark Ages. If we do not get the rest of the country and World to understand this very soon, I firmly believe we will enter the realm of a World War. Because these people are stupid and fanatical enough to use the nuclear bomb. And they either have it or soon will. Scary stuff.
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 25, 2006 09:28 AM (rUyw4)
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Random imam - "You mean there's not a rule whether the ummah can talk in the bathroom? Well, we better do something about it! People could start making decisions themselves (the horror)!"
Posted by: MegaTroopX at April 25, 2006 11:14 AM (kMzO2)
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no wonder george Michael never converted to islam
Posted by: rob at April 25, 2006 01:53 PM (QpkBe)
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This is a fatwa we can all get behind. Sharia, shmaria...I have no interest in speaking to another dude while he's handling his business. Now, if they would only issue a fatwa against those who poo in the dark, so as not to cut the fan on, neglect to flush, and then walk out leaving the funk inside for the next victim. There, my friends, is your great satan.
Posted by: Kid from Brooklyn at April 25, 2006 06:53 PM (vwcGN)
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Osama: Kill the Blasphemers!
From
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DUBAI (Reuters) - Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden has called for people who ridiculed the Prophet Mohammad to be killed, weighing into the furor that erupted after a Danish newspaper ran cartoons lampooning Islam's holy messenger.
"Heretics and atheists, who denigrate religion and transgress against God and His Prophet, will not stop their enmity toward Islam except by being killed," the Saudi-born militant said.
Osama is correct on this point: the only way to guarantee that people's freedom of speech will not be exercised is to kill them. Unless they're mainstream American journalists. Then threats of violence will suffice to get them to censor themselves.
Cross-posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto.
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Hi Muhamed: is that a bomb on your head, or are you just happy to see me?
Posted by: n.a. palm at April 24, 2006 09:47 AM (vL5X7)
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You mean OBL or UBL didn't scare the living crap out of you? Poor bastard he's losing his touch.
Posted by: Howie at April 24, 2006 12:02 PM (D3+20)
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Another reason why western journalists, the MSM, libs and leftists aren't breaking down doors to interview OBL and his boys.
They will and have flocked to other world "personalities" enraged at the US .... why not here?
Posted by: hondo at April 24, 2006 02:02 PM (SeBrl)
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I suppose I would care about writting stuff about G-d, but I am writting stuff about a false god named allah. So, I do not really care how crazy people feeeeelllll about it.
Up yours UBL, you moon god worshipping A-hole! Where is my fatwa bitch?
Posted by: Leatherneck at April 24, 2006 08:38 PM (D2g/j)
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Hollywoods full of BLASPHEMERS
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April 20, 2006
The Preaching of Hate
Via Jihad Watch we have these fine snippets from Muslim Friday services. Makes me want to run out and convert right now, not.
Spiegel : In a Berlin mosque, a television crew secretly recorded the sermon of a Turkish imam who described the Germans as godless and railed against their alleged stench. In London, hate preacher Abu Hamza al-Masri called upon the faithful to murder female tourists in his native Egypt, saying: "If a woman, even a Muslim woman, is naked and you have no way of covering her up, it is legitimate to kill her."
Woah! These people are screwed up in the head. When I see a hot half nekkid chick walking around killing her is the last thing on my mind! What I am thinking I doubt will even come close to killing her. I get tired.
In an interview with SPIEGEL, television imam Yusuf al-Qaradawi, perhaps currently one of the most influential Islamic scholars around, magnanimously conceded that there is also room in heaven for devout Christians and Jews. But on his Arab-language website a short time later, he made it clear that he believes that Christians and Jews are ultimately nothing more than infidels.
Rouge Eh? Infidel eh? Why themÂ’s fighting woyds!
But at the same time, often in the same sermon, imams ask God for help in confronting everyday woes, issue moral appeals to their own political leaders and constantly return to the Islamic world's greatest lament: a comparison between the gloomy present and the glorious past.
Yes a glorious past of blood and death thatÂ’s just what I was searching for so I can find peace in my heart. To be fair some people are fighting this doctrine.
Dr. Id Abd al- Hamid Yussuf, 65, is completely against the use of Islam for political purposes.
The Prophet forgave those who committed injustices against him. He pardoned the murderer of his uncle, Hamsa. He forgave his people when they banished him from Mecca Â… Islam spread throughout the world through argument and conviction, but not through the sword, as the enemies of Islam have claimed. Islam only used the sword when it was attacked Â… The Prophet forbade extremism and fanaticism. He said: "I was sent to you out of the generosity of God. Night became day. Anyone who strays from this path will fall victim to ruin." For some, religion is like a maze. Enter it with caution, because whoever approaches religion as an extremist will perish in his extremism.
Perish they shall because weÂ’ll bring the perishing to them.
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"He forgave his people when they banished him from Mecca..."
Didn't he go back and slaughter them?
Posted by: Oyster at April 20, 2006 02:11 PM (AMLvC)
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Oyster, Well yeah but after he slaughtered them he felt a lot better and forgave them.
Posted by: Howie at April 20, 2006 02:43 PM (o+Psq)
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Islam makes it is easy to hate. Every Sunday, I am reminded to love, not hate. But, it sure is hard to love folks like that.
ROPMA
Posted by: Leatherneck at April 20, 2006 03:42 PM (D2g/j)
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I can remember growing up as a catholic and being taught that only catholics could go to heaven, I think that changed in 1962
Posted by: john Ryan at April 20, 2006 04:08 PM (U2ePk)
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I remember growing up and being told that most Catholics would not go to heaven. I didn't much think that was true. But, nobody said that we should kill Catholics because we didn't agree with their interpretation of the scripture. Or harm them in any way.
Later on in life I was lucky enough to get to know some Catholics, and I've liked every one of them I have met so far. I haven't met you yet, John Ryan, so my record is still intact. Oh, you're a Buddist now, so my record will have little chance of being broken. J/K, John!
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 20, 2006 05:04 PM (rUyw4)
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No, but the language was certainly softened so as to not "offend."
Posted by: YBP at April 20, 2006 06:59 PM (42Ghj)
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Here is some offence for you lefturd. The FBI just arrested some student in Georgia named Salied, or something like that, for supporting terror inside the United States of America.
More of my tax money being wasted, when they should have put a round in his head, and shipped his moon god worshipping ass back to some middle eastern country!
ROPMA
Posted by: Leatherneck at April 20, 2006 07:34 PM (D2g/j)
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You gotta love that Islamist duplicity. Speak warm fuzzy nothings to the soft minded west and preach murderous hate in arabic. Nice racket.
Posted by: nuthin2seehere at April 21, 2006 02:14 AM (blNMI)
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"I can remember growing up as a catholic and being taught that only catholics could go to heaven, I think that changed in 1962"
And how does that compare to what's being said in the Mosques?
Posted by: Oyster at April 21, 2006 04:39 AM (YudAC)
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I go to Mass every week, 3 times in fact last week. John, I have never heard a Priest advocate that the State, Church or any of our parishioners put anyone to death for any reason. We do pray for those who we think are on the wrong path.
Why pretend this is similar to what is being preached in some Mosques around the world? That was your point wasnÂ’t it?
Posted by: Brad at April 21, 2006 08:17 AM (vaSc7)
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I don't think all Muslims preach killing Christians. In fact, the Muslim world has been one of coexistence, peacefully, for far longer than the west. There are large Christian communities in Lebanon and Egypt, and smaller ones in Iraq, Syria, and Jordan, among others. There were, until the 1960s, large populations of Jews that coexisted peacefully throughout the Arab world and Iran (the Sephardim). They were thrown out, often brutally, or emigrated, under threat of grave persecution, relatively recently. Islam, instead of going through a reformation similar to our own, is undergoing a radicalization. Bernard Lewis, in What Went Wrong, diagnoses this very well, and I commend it as a short book that makes Islam come alive in its modern form. I take it that John Ryan's point is that we win the West are not so far removed from a time when we also preached doctrines of exclusion and hatred. Those on this board who denigrate Islam generally, or call for the killing of all Muslims, are proof that we are not much removed at all.
The president is right. What is needed is not a war against Islam, but a war within Islam.
Posted by: jd at April 21, 2006 10:23 AM (uT71O)
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JD I also do not think most Muslims preach killing Christians. However, it is not uncommon.
What I find amusing it the leftÂ’s ability to rush to the defense of a Religion that is so intolerant.
Posted by: Brad at April 21, 2006 11:35 AM (3OPZt)
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"...the Muslim world has been one of coexistence, peacefully, for far longer than the west..." as long as you don't pray to anyone but Allah and you pays yer dhimmi tax.
Posted by: Oyster at April 21, 2006 01:16 PM (okCpP)
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Thanks, Oyster, for the translation on Dhimmi. I thought it was Arabic. My point is not that the Muslim world was some paradise for jews and christians in the Middle Ages. It was just that it was much better to be a Jew there than in most Christian countries. Many of the most important Talmudic scholars and Jewish philosophers of the era freely lived and wrote in the Muslim world, when they would have been persecuted and kept out of elite circles in almost every Christian country.
I'm not DEFENDING Islam, in the sense that I endorse its spread or cheer for its promulgation. I'm just saying--this is not a religion that should be judged by its extremes. What I find amusing is that when I point this out, there is a blizzard of posts challenging me. When someone advocates the extermination of all liberals (the actual murder of other Americans), no one, not one person, nada, zip, no one, has challenged the person who said that on that point. Nor has anyone challenged the idea that liberalism is not just an ideology, but a mental illness, a suicidal dementia. Uh...folks? Are they, liberals, ALWAYS, pathologically wrong? Are conservatives, always, in every situation, right?
Reality check...
Posted by: jd at April 21, 2006 02:57 PM (aqTJB)
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JD, why do idiot liberals like you keep trying to equivocate Christian Europe of a thousand years ago with islam of today? Do you think everyone is as stupid as liberals are?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 23, 2006 05:29 AM (0yYS2)
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Students Protest “Radical” Teaching in UK.
At least some Muslims realize the damage and shame Islam suffers at the hands of those who preach the doctrine of hate.
Times Online :MUSLIM students training to be imams at a British college with strong Iranian links have complained that they are being taught fundamentalist doctrines which describe nonMuslims as “filth”.
The Times has obtained extracts from medieval texts taught to the students in which unbelievers are likened to pigs and dogs. The texts are taught at the Hawza Ilmiyya of London, a religious school, which has a sister institution, the Islamic College for Advanced Studies (ICAS), which offers a degree validated by Middlesex University.
The students, who have asked to remain anonymous, study their religious courses alongside the university-backed BA in Islamic studies
Asked to remain anonymous? Let me translate that, wished to keep their heads attached to their bodies.
Mr Moezi is also the director of the Islamic Centre of England in Maida Vale, a large mosque and community centre that is a registered charity. Its memorandum of association, lodged with the Charity Commission, says that: “At all times at least one of the trustees shall be a representative of the Supreme Spiritual Leadership of the Islamic Republic of Iran.”
Both the Irshad Trust and the Islamic Centre of England Ltd (ICEL) were established in 1996. Mr MoeziÂ’s predecessor as Ayatollah KhameneiÂ’s representative, another cleric called Mohsen Araki, was a founding trustee of both charities.
It is strange why they tolerate this from Iran. Note the nesting of politics and Islam because Islam is both religion and politics they are not separate.
‘The water left over in the container after any type of animal has drunk from it is considered clean and pure apart from the left over of a dog, a pig, and a disbeliever’
‘There are ten types of filth and impurities: urine, faeces, semen, carrion, blood of carrion, dogs, pigs, disbelievers’
(You get that? Your blood is equated with fecal matter)
‘When a dog, a pig, or a disbeliever touches or comes in contact with the clothes or body [of a Muslim] while he [the disbeliever] is wet, it becomes obligatory- compulsory upon him [the Muslim] to wash and clean that part which came in contact with the disbeliever’
Filthy Kufr! Let me again translate for you. Disbeliever means you most likely and that includes liberals. I again heard calls for “bridges of understanding” in the Middle East on NPR this AM. That’s all fine and dandy if you are dealing with people who consider you human and act in a civilized manner. The terrorists and those who follow their doctrine will cross over that bridge to cut your throat. As long as the first cut is in the direction of Mecca it’s all good. Now do you understand?
Also see Jihad Watch, Michelle Malkin, who includes new pic of Muhammed on her post and USS Neverdock.
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Does it mean that since these students have spoken out against these teachings that they're islamophobic?
Posted by: Graeme at April 20, 2006 10:17 AM (xnfHT)
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Here's where some Leftard apologist for islam tells them "it's not in the Koran."
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 20, 2006 10:19 AM (8e/V4)
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Anything similar to that in the old testament ? I know their are a lot of really weird things in those old books. I think the problem is the muslims just still believe in all of that ancient texts.
Posted by: john Ryan at April 20, 2006 10:27 AM (TcoRJ)
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Not wishing to totally side with the terorists but I am thinking that if I get someones blood on me or feces etc it might be a good idea to wash it off. My mom always advocated that, and that was even in the pre AIDS era.
Posted by: john Ryan at April 20, 2006 10:36 AM (TcoRJ)
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But John whick blood is worse? Infidel blood. Catholic Blood, Baptist blood. See how this works?
Posted by: Howie at April 20, 2006 10:47 AM (D3+20)
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>>>Anything similar to that in the old testament?
The difference between islam and christianity is that christians believe Christ has paid the price, so we no longer have to.
That's the difference between how christians read the old testament vs how muslims read the Koran. There is no such softening of the ancient texts in islam, so it's no wonder radical islam is so dominant.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 20, 2006 10:53 AM (8e/V4)
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Don't be in to much shock folks, it has been going on here a lot. Now you can be in shock.
Posted by: Leatherneck at April 20, 2006 03:48 PM (D2g/j)
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Uh, John, they are comparing you to feces, vomit, etc. They are not saying to do these things if another Muslim touches them in that way. Can't you see the difference? Duh?
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 20, 2006 05:10 PM (rUyw4)
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In as much as there are invariably different issues that are raised against some forms of Islam and rightly so, I personally, having read al-Hilli have to say that the above piece is very one-dimensional and does not depict the truth of his stance. Not everyone falls into one bag and the People of the Book i.e, Christians, Jews and Sabians are excluded. There is also difference in opinion amongst them as to the position of the Zoroastrians and other modern day dualists.
Secondly, this ditsy approach to an important matter astonished me coming from the Times, but within the lines of the article you can orchestrate a symphony about Iran and their Supreme Leader.
All that about al-Hilli was a side show my friends, the real matter for the coalition is now Iran, so let's wake up to it and not be played around like fools.
Posted by: Xi Xhing at April 20, 2006 05:49 PM (NrsdV)
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"Not wishing to totally side with the terorists..."
Just "partly" right?
Posted by: Oyster at April 21, 2006 04:42 AM (YudAC)
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April 14, 2006
Egypt & CNNjazeera Ivoke Moussoui Defense
Reading this CNN story you get the idea that anyone who runs around stabbing Coptic Christians is just nuts.
CNN : A police official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the press, characterized the men as "insane" and said they were carrying tranquilizing medication.
One worshipper, Nushi Atta Girgis, 78, was killed, according to the semiofficial Middle East News Agency.
Father Augustinos, who heads a different Mar Girgis Church, said the attacks occurred just after Mass began at 9 a.m. (0700 GMT).
"They could be Islamic activists. They consider this as jihad," he said of the attackers, who broke through regularly stationed security barriers and police to enter the churches.
So now go read this same event as reported in Britain
Times Online UK :"The attacker stormed the church armed with a knife and shouted Â’There is no God but AllahÂ’ and Â’Allah is the greatestÂ’ before stabbing the worshippers," one of the Marie Girgis church employees told an AFP reporter at the scene.
"We closed the doors of the church as soon as he started attacking the worshippers and we fought back with sticks but he tried to flee through one of the churchÂ’s underground passages."
Father Augustinos, who heads a different Mari Girgis Church, said the attacks occurred just after Mass began at 9am (0700 GMT). "They could be Islamic activists. They consider this as jihad," he said of the attackers, who broke through regularly stationed security barriers and police to enter the churches.
The attack comes on what is Good Friday to many of the worldÂ’s Christians. However, EgyptÂ’s Coptic Christians and other followers of the Greek Orthodox church commemorate the holiday a week later.
But Abdullah Osman, an official with the ruling National Democratic Party, questioned the sanity of the attackers.
Well I question the sanity of the act too but it seems there is quite a bit of contagious insanity in the Middle East. So either Arabs
are the most insane people on earth or there is some other factor. Seems to me that shouting, “There is no God but Allah!” right before you attack innocents could indicate there may be some Islamic angle to this. But that’s just me.
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This will just keep going on and on; how long before Americans wake up and realize there will be no peace or victory over terrorism while arabs and muslims still exist.
There are no "good" ones, no moderate ones, only evil subhuman filth that only exists to spread terror and destruction.
Now we have Iran marching down the nuclear path--the solution is clear and is tantamount to American and Global survival. Arabs and muslims both domestic and abroad must be rounded up and slaughtered and not a single one must be allowed to survive.
If we do not act they will do the same to us...
Posted by: Victory for the USA at April 14, 2006 10:26 AM (y+196)
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Get a life, Victory. If you're just trying to lay bait here, it won't work.
Posted by: Oyster at April 14, 2006 11:14 AM (frGxu)
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I only post fact and truth. It is a grave time in history and America needs to carry out it's task or we all risk destruction from these satanic Arab and muslim hordes.
Our children will pay the price if we do not succeed in the eradication of the arab muslim population.
Posted by: Victory for the USA at April 14, 2006 11:20 AM (y+196)
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Victory, you can't get away with that sort of rhetoric without having established yourself through reasonable discourse. Then you can rant all you like, as I do.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 14, 2006 01:06 PM (0yYS2)
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At least get started roundin' 'em up and ropin' 'em off! Or maybe Victory is right. Can we afford to contain them? Do we have the time and resources?
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April 13, 2006
Poll Shows US Perception of Islam Lower than Bush
Hey now that takes some doing! But just above Scientology? So I reckon Tom Cruise is a bit nutty but I really thought he might rate as less nutty than say terrorists.
(CBSNEWS) : Although Americans believe they are better informed about Islam than they were five years ago, a new CBS News poll finds fewer than one in five say their impression of the religion is favorable.
Forty-five percent of respondents queried April 6 - 9 said they have an unfavorable view of Islam, a rise from 36 percent in February. And the public’s impression of Islam has diminished even more compared with four years ago. In February 2002 – less than six months after the terrorist attacks of September 11 – the country was evenly divided in its impression of Islam.
When compared with some other religions practiced in America, positive views of Islam rank below those for mainstream Protestantism, Catholicism, Judaism, and Christian fundamentalist faiths. Only Scientology, of all the religions asked about, ranked lower.
Also see Hyscience,
USS Neverdock,
Transterrestrial. I liked
Danny Carlton of the Jack Lewis blog snarky statement best.
Boy, aren't you glad they did that poll! Because I would never have guessed that blowing up innocent women and children and sawing off the heads of innocent civilians on the internet could make you unpopular. That's such a handy thing to remember, isn't it. I'll have to make sure I make a note of that somewhere so I don't forget.
Good idea things like that tend to slip the mind some days. Right along with WTF are my keys.
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How could you even consider that poll to be legit ??? lol Why were the buddhists left out ? Was CBS pandering to the christians again ? Buddhists would have scored highest favorable rating. Everyone likes us except when we chant which some find annoying and also a few who still blame us for the ummmm unpleasantness which occurred in Vietnam.
Posted by: john Ryan at April 13, 2006 10:00 AM (TcoRJ)
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I don't know about
. Everyone likes us except when we chant which some find annoying but every time you fire up your keyboard here, I find it annoying.
Posted by: davec at April 13, 2006 10:18 AM (CcXvt)
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I think John's trying to say he likes pie. Or that he doesn't. Or something. My head hurts.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 13, 2006 10:36 AM (0yYS2)
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I love the opening sentence of the CBS article:
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Although Americans believe they are better informed about Islam than they were five years ago, a new CBS News poll finds fewer than one in five say their impression of the religion is favorable."
Bullshit. The sentence should read:
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Because Americans are better informed about Islam..."
Posted by: Jimmy the Dhimmi at April 13, 2006 11:23 AM (TSzYw)
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Hmm transterrestrial made that point in their post hmmm.
Posted by: Howie at April 13, 2006 11:32 AM (D3+20)
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The interesting thing, to me at least, is that Islam and Mormonism are within the margin of error on favorableness (if that's a word).
Posted by: KG at April 13, 2006 11:50 AM (SZsz5)
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>>>"polls show unfavorable opinion of Islam"
Gee, I wonder why! I guess the Liberal attempts to indoctrinate us to the contrary hasn't paid off.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 13, 2006 11:53 AM (8e/V4)
Posted by: Princess Kimberley at April 13, 2006 11:54 AM (7b8BZ)
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What is "The Catholic Religion"? What a stupid poll. Ignore it. We need a poll that accurately and professionally portrays religions in the US. We need good numbers on an issue as important as this.
Posted by: Asgerd at April 13, 2006 12:00 PM (lt1ax)
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All you right wingers rely on is name-calling and broad-brushing. Yes, I'm sure all Muslims are terrorists who cut people's heads off. You know, I think Hitler was a Catholic too. So are all those pedo priests. I don't know how jew-hating pedophiles can be ranked higher than Muslims.
Posted by: Han Solo at April 13, 2006 12:10 PM (lBzgO)
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>>>"All you right wingers rely on is name-calling and broad-brushing."
Irony, thy name is Han Solo.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 13, 2006 12:12 PM (8e/V4)
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Shut your mouth kid or you'll find yourself floating home.
Posted by: The Real Han Solo at April 13, 2006 12:18 PM (D3+20)
Posted by: Chewy at April 13, 2006 12:31 PM (D3+20)
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Any of you moon god worshippers touch me, I'll kill ya, any of you muslims touch my stuff, I'll kill ya, any of yous stinking homo muslims call me Frances, I'll kill ya.
Settle down Frances.
Posted by: Leatherneck at April 13, 2006 04:39 PM (D2g/j)
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I just knew when I read the original post that a stinking liberal would come in here and offer a defense of their friends the Islamofascists. Too easy!
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 13, 2006 04:53 PM (rUyw4)
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I was shocked it took so many comments before some no-brain came in and started with the right-wingers remarks. He thinks Hitler was a Catholic too. lol. I fully expected someone right off the bat issuing fatwas. Dang. What a disappointment.
Posted by: Oyster at April 13, 2006 05:20 PM (YudAC)
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sometimes i want to laugh on american's..they say they want democracy in world.. but anti-democratic terrorist website is up in america, they were the reason to bring up taliban ... now they cry why they have done that in cold war, anericans u r still not fully informed about islam... islam is not a religion its a cult, and this is full truth.
oh those who belive no anti-democratic website is up in america, then check this..
http://www.dalitstan.org/mughalstan/azad/zindabad.html
check the whois database, you will get to know...
I only want to say, Americans plz Stop it, as we have enough of islamic shitt hanging in the world to be reprocessed to humanity.
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Anyone who does not use capitalization writes things like "u r not fully informed" is not only illiterate, but also doesn't understand the concept of irony. Probably another turd-world subhuman worshipper of the child molester mo-HAM-med (pig's blood upon him).
All muslims must be exterminated like the vermin they are.
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"I only want to say, Americans plz Stop it,..."
So you'd prefer we cower in fear? Forget it, pal.
Posted by: Oyster at April 14, 2006 05:33 AM (YudAC)
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So you'd prefer we cower in fear? Forget it, pal.
so what do u want, indians also start kiling americans, we hav gujrat, if u hav a war... you can attack afgan, but u can't tackle problems inside america... even 9-11 case is a good example, if in india this happens... if we know they are using our human rights... we have other way to sort it out outside court then... if americans want to see that way, then say directly... it was a request, as indians belive in peace 1st.
but i think you will not understand this approach of peace
Posted by: perfektm at April 14, 2006 06:21 AM (QbPl8)
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>>>I only want to say, Americans plz Stop it, as we have enough of islamic shitt hanging in the world to be reprocessed to humanity.
That's why it's called "democracy", bro. That means that any scumbag can have a website.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 14, 2006 08:34 AM (8e/V4)
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I am sure 99.9% of the favorable 45% respondents are muslims
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Carlos, it isn't democracy that allows anyone to have a website, it's liberty. Democracy is simply a tool to allow mob rule without the mess.
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And they actually believe that after their unspeakable acts of murder and mayhem against innocent human beings, which to them is a sacrament, that they will just go waltzing off into Paradise where they can engage in all sorts of debauchery with a bunch of virgins. If it wasn't so damned tragic I would be laughing my ass off at how utterly stupid and deprived are every single muslim. If mo-ham-mad was a holy man then so was charles manson. It'll take a coulple more 911's before America wakes up to the threat. When that day comes I wouldn't want to be caught wearing a towel on my head.
Posted by: the anti-mike at April 16, 2006 04:48 PM (PEx4W)
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I usually wear a condom on mine .
Posted by: Last word Larry at April 19, 2006 10:16 AM (FCC6c)
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"Although Americans believe they are better informed about Islam than they were five years ago, a new CBS News poll finds fewer than one in five say their impression of the religion is favorable."
Typical multicultural bullshit - the assumption being that if you know more about a religion (except Christianity, of course), then you must like it more or have more respect for it.
Jimmy had it right: We have less respect for it because we know more about it. If our knowledge of Islam ever becomes perfect, we'll probably start nuking them.
Posted by: Captain Rob at May 11, 2006 06:55 PM (uqgVn)
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stupid low life idiots !!!
jesus is a mortal, jesus is human.. you worship a human and call him as God [ gee, why don't you worship that bush thing, oww, i forgot, he's not dead yet ]..
jew are those who would bring the end to this world and oppose all of the religions and the teaching of god
buddha, his real name is sidharta gautama.. hey, you know what, he's human too
you people should learn more, than just to babble out crap like that.. low life !!!
US is a cry baby,
the japan bombed your harbour, and you destroyed an entire city, both of them
a plane destroyed your no good tower, and you annihalte an entire nation, even thinking that it's your nation [ cuz your thirst of oil ]
vietnam did nothing to your country, but you invade them like you have a business there,
you studied nuclear, and you would not let any country to study them too, what a cry baby
there's more to say bout your stupid country n religions, but hey, we're to intelect to say such
who are you ?? thinking you have the privilege to to so ?? talked as if you know a lot, in which you know nothing.
shame !!! such a shame !!!!
moslems beheaded your heads for you went too far, you think you're god, you people are just a crap hanging from my ass !!
you should know something, no country likes your country.. some do it for money, and some are just idiots like you !!!
aaa.. i forgot, the land are not yours, it's the indian's, you just invade them and thinking that it is yours, many has died for that.. i assume you never know that, cuz you know nothing
carefull there !! your country won't last long !! watch it boy !!
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April 09, 2006
Oh Where Oh Where Are The Moderate Muslims?
They are not hiding here in the stove! No really guys where are you?
Instapundit : We need to make the moderates feel safer -- and the extremists much more nervous. That's why things like the pandering response to the Cartoon Wars by everyone from Borders to the Bush Administration, are exactly wrong. Plus, there's this:....
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(Lod, Israel) Nineteen-year-old Rim Abu Ganem, an Israeli Arab, was allegedly
choked to death by her brothers in an "honor killing." Rim had fallen in love with a Palestinian man who wasn't the family's choice for her mate. Shortly before she was murdered, police had warned that her life was in danger and referred her to a shelter. Tragically, Rim didn't heed the warning.
Rim's brother Suliman, a pediatrician at Assaf Harofeh Hospital, allegedly gave the other brothers an anesthetic to put her to sleep. While Rim dozed, they choked her. Rim's body was later found in a well.
The five brothers were arrested and they may actually face legal consequences since the crime was committed in Israel. I hope so. More here.
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Here's where some Liberal says honor killing isn't in the Koran.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 09, 2006 07:10 PM (8e/V4)
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Thanks for the link, most kind of you.
Posted by: AbbaGav at April 09, 2006 11:09 PM (eiYHi)
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Easiest way to curb these honor killings, make an example of these loving brothers, firing squad for each of them, followed up burning the body in pig fat.
I'll bet the practice of Honour Killings will vanish into the dustbin of history very quickly.
Posted by: MathewK at April 10, 2006 12:10 AM (pVHqF)
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I suspect that honor killings are being committed much more often than is being reported and, if the public knew the actual frequency and scope of the practice, there would be general outrage.
Posted by: Mike at April 10, 2006 07:15 AM (Kjxf6)
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Mike, I doubt whether the public could work itself up to an outrage about anything. If there is no outrage over the beheadings and suicide bombings in the ME, I doubt whether these honor killings will even raise an eyebrow with the cable-TV set.
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April 04, 2006
Imperial Islam
We are always being accused of being in some conspiracy to establish an empire. You know maybe all those suspicions of us in the Middle East is due to the fact that their culture conspiracy and deception is pervasive. They see us that way because thatÂ’s how they think.
Opinionjournal : Khaled Mash'al, the leader of Hamas, fresh from the Islamist group's sweeping victory in the Palestinian elections:
This is because our nation is progressing and is victorious. . . . By Allah, you will be defeated. . . . Tomorrow, our nation will sit on the throne of the world. This is not a figment of the imagination but a fact. Tomorrow we will lead the world, Allah willing. Apologize today, before remorse will do you no good.
See we should respect Islam out of fear not because itÂ’s earned it.
Among Islamic radicals, such gloating about the prowess and imminent triumph of their "nation" is as commonplace as recitals of the long and bitter catalog of grievances related to the loss of historical Muslim dominion. Osama bin Laden has repeatedly alluded to the collapse of Ottoman power at the end of World War I and, with it, the abolition of the Ottoman caliphate. "What America is tasting now," he declared in the immediate wake of 9/11, "is only a copy of what we have tasted. Our Islamic nation has been tasting the same for more than 80 years, of humiliation and disgrace, its sons killed and their blood spilled, its sanctities desecrated." Ayman al-Zawahiri, bin Laden's top deputy, has pointed still farther into the past, lamenting "the tragedy of al-Andalus"--that is, the end of Islamic rule in Spain in 1492.
These historical claims are in turn frequently dismissed by Westerners as delusional, a species of mere self-aggrandizement or propaganda. But the Islamists are perfectly serious, and know what they are doing.
Yes all your suffering is our fault we have a lot more control over your nations than you do. Just like some Arab guy comes by and mows my yard. Or at least I wish he would. And where do they get these silly ideas. Muhammed of course.
"I was ordered to fight all men until they say, 'There is no god but Allah.' " With these farewell words, the prophet Muhammad summed up the international vision of the faith he brought to the world. As a universal religion, Islam envisages a global political order in which all humankind will live under Muslim rule as either believers or subject communities. In order to achieve this goal, it is incumbent on all free, male, adult Muslims to carry out an uncompromising "struggle in the path of Allah," or jihad.
I for one am not too keen on being the subject of Muslim rule. How about you?
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After 9-11, I wondered when the next shoe would drop. Over the last few years we have seen charities closed down, and a great many American Muslims arrested for terrorist type actions against our nation. According to Mr. Bush, quite a few have been stopped that we have not heard of.
I am confident most of us read the Gunny's remarks in the past. Which were well written, but I believe the Gunny does not fully see the Muslim hate for those who stand in their way. When we see many locations being attacked at once across America I will consider it the other shoe being droped.
I don't think I will get a shot off, because there are several fast companys waiting to move should an event occur. However, if I do get a chance, every third round will be 00 buck. One can hope you know.
Posted by: Leatherneck at April 04, 2006 02:50 PM (D2g/j)
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I personally prefer the range and punch of my vintage Mosin Nagant 91/30, which is wickedly accurate with upgraded sights, but I still keep a shotgun handy too, for special occasions. I predict that both will get well-blooded within five years the way things are going, and my K-Bar will get used too if I have anything to do with it; I like to work up close, it's more personal that way. The 'slamotards are bound to get uppity within that time frame, and I'm going to make them pay when they do.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 04, 2006 04:31 PM (0yYS2)
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I.M., I hope it takes longer than five years. I want to see my orchard produce a lot of fruit, so I can make some peach, pear, and plum wine. If what they say about grapevines is true, mine will not produce enough well grown grapes until about five years from now.
The Frogs say anything less than ten years on a grapevine will not produce great wine. However, I do not like the Frogs.
Posted by: Leatherneck at April 04, 2006 07:30 PM (D2g/j)
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Well, it's best not to let your vines bear fruit until they're mature, because the fruit impedes the development of the vine. A good plant should look more like a bonsai tree than a vine, because it should be pruned ruthlessly until the trunk is thick and the limbs are few and stout. Such a plant will bear good, broad leaves and heavy bunches of grapes, ideally one or two bunches per branch. It's pretty much the same principle for any fruit tree; a stout tree with few fruit per limb makes better fruit.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 04, 2006 08:15 PM (0yYS2)
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You would think that with all that pent-up bloodlust Improbulus would be down at the army recruiting station tout suit for a quick tour of the triangle.
Perhaps he dislikes targets that can shoot back?
Posted by: Sonic at April 04, 2006 08:32 PM (Gsn6c)
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I.M., ignore Sonic. Sonic is just a little kid somewhere.
I do cut my vines back, and trim my fruit trees. This will be their fifth year of life, and I am hopeing to allow them to grow some grapes, and fruit. About a third of what I see they are trying to produce. Last year they wanted to bear fruit, but, I took all the fruit off to help the root system grow.
I should be able to make some wine this year.
Posted by: Leatherneck at April 04, 2006 09:22 PM (D2g/j)
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Yeah, he's an idiot. He has no idea I was in the Army when he was still shitting in diapers. But then, he probably still is, so it's a moot point. The worst part is that he represents the brain trust of the liberals worldwide.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 05, 2006 06:10 AM (0yYS2)
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I state publicly that I hate you and the guy that lives next door to you. I tell everybody in the bar tomorrow IÂ’m going to kick both your asses. (Both you and your neighbor heard me say it.)
The next day you come home from work and IÂ’m kicking ass on your neighbor I look at you and sayÂ… YouÂ’re next!
Posted by: I.M you filthy athiest =ANIMAL at April 06, 2006 05:14 PM (zqsRN)
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Well, that's nice, but it's too bad the Ritalin didn't work.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 07, 2006 06:18 AM (0yYS2)
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=Animal, I'm I.M.'s neighbor. I suggest you get in the gym, and get to where you can do a set of eight with 315lbs. Otherwise, I's going to rip your eyeballs out, and skull fuck you to death!
Posted by: Leatherneck at April 07, 2006 07:58 PM (D2g/j)
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Christians Still Persecuted in Muslim Nations.
Although Abdul Rahman is now safe this week the Weekly Standard points out more intolerance by Muslims specifically this week Afghanistan and even harsher Iran. Also flunking the human rights grade is Saudi Arabia and Sudan. Yes Sudan rape and genocide capital of the world where and Arab can act like a true Arab.
Weekly Standard : Two other Afghan converts to Christianity were arrested in March, though, for security reasons, locals have asked that their names and locations be withheld. In February, yet other converts had their homes raided by police.
Some other Muslim countries have laws similar to Afghanistan's. Apart from its other depredations, in the last ten years Saudi Arabia has executed people for the crimes of apostasy, heresy, and blasphemy. The death penalty for apostates is also in the legal code in Iran, Sudan, Mauritania, and the Comoros Islands.
In the 1990s, the Islamic Republic of Iran used death squads against converts, including major Protestant leaders, and the situation is worsening under President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. The regime is currently engaged in a systematic campaign to track down and reconvert or kill those who have changed their religion from Islam.
Iran also regards Baha'is as heretics from Islam and denies them any legal rights, including the right to life: There is no penalty for killing a Baha'i
No penalty at all for killing a human because his is Baha'i? I suppose you can rape his wife and kids too afterward with no penalty. Probably get a medal for being a good little murderer.
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its been happening for 2000 years.
Posted by: s at April 03, 2006 02:35 PM (kmwDH)
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If it was Muslims being killed, we would see Madelin Not So Bright, and Clinton wanting someone bombed. But, Sudan is an up and comming oil producer, and those who worship a false god like Allah are somehow Ok with the New World Order. On the other hand, those nasty Christians have to go.
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Most Liberals are ignorant of it, and the ones that aren't think it's just fine.
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Wikipedia reports about 200 Baha i executed in the first 20 years after Iran's Islamic revolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baha%27i#Persecution I am not sure how much of an effect American liberals or conservatives can have in this matter. I suppose offering religous amnesty would only open the floodgates. But Sudan ? The American government could stop that which is probably like 10000 times worse very quickly if Washington really wanted to do so. Their one oil pipline is very vulnerable. One well trained company of Sudanese "freedom fighters" could keep it closed down until the genocide ended.
Posted by: john Ryan at April 03, 2006 06:47 PM (TcoRJ)
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>>>>But the Koran doesn't call for the death of apostates.
Maybe the Q'uran doesn't, but islam does.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 03, 2006 06:55 PM (8e/V4)
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John Ryan : There you see you can do it. You he just taken your first step into a much larger universe. (I hope it's him if not tell me and I'll trash the spoof.)
Hey I don't quote obi-wan unless I like it. John is rith for whatever reason Sudan/Darfur is being left to the dogs. everyone knows but I don't see much getting done and when someone does try Sadan bitches and whines balks. They need a good slapping.
Not much you can do with em except cram civilzation down their throats with a ax handle and that's expensive.
Posted by: Howie at April 03, 2006 07:34 PM (D3+20)
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Steve,
Islam is a religion of death. Their boy Mo likes to rape little girls. Allah is a false moon god.
You don't have to believe me, look it up for yourself. It is in what we call history books.
ROPMA
Posted by: Leatherneck at April 03, 2006 07:35 PM (D2g/j)
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Is that why those muslum nationa are getting all those earthquakes?
Posted by: sandpiper at April 03, 2006 09:39 PM (uTBPj)
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Steve,
The punishment for apostasy in the Koran is unclear, but it is implied. I would refer you to many instances in the Hadiths, which put the Koran into it's proper sequential order, whereby the punishment of death for apostasy is quite clear.
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Islam is not a religion; it is a pathology, of hate, murder, rape and revenge, of epidemic proportions. One billion muslims, of which even moderates can be induced to mob behavior, is God's way of saying we'd better wake up and smell the Truth.
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Some Teachings of the Jewish Talmud
Where a Jew Should Do Evil
Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.
Penalty for Disobeying Rabbis
Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.
Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God
Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.
O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.
Jews Have Superior Legal Status
Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."
Jews May Steal from Non-Jews
Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."
Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.
Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."
Jews May Lie to Non-Jews
Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human
Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.
Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.
Insults Against Blessed Mary
Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.
Gloats over Christ Dying Young
A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was?--He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."
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Ah but the joooos have advanced a bit. Islam still wallows in the placenta of it's birth. There they go again pointing fingers at the jooooos in hopes it will distract from their own problems.
Posted by: Howie at April 04, 2006 10:36 AM (D3+20)
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Dear "To n.a.palm"
"Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell." It appears they're leaving it up to God with that verse. In Islam, it's a bit different. Muslims are compelled to do that work on earth.
Everything else you've quoted is a bit different as well. There are some questionable teachings in Christianity too. The difference, in case you haven't noticed, is exactly what Howie said,
"Islam still wallows in the placenta of it's birth." In other words, they're still killing apostates, still stoning women for "adultery" and still cutting off limbs and poking out eyes and blowing up children and kidnapping and raping - all in the name of Islam.
The fact is most of the older religion's teachings were "of their time" and are no longer practiced in the literal sense. Except Islam. The fundamentalists and radicals strive to revert back to the literal interpretations and practices in everyday life.
But, it's all the same to you, isn't it?
Posted by: Oyster at April 04, 2006 11:52 AM (uZPWy)
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To: to n.a. palm.......and your point is? You seem knowledgeable of the old testament and other hebrew writings, but so what? Neither those nor the Koran/hadiths/ etc. mean anything now.
Be careful when you "judge" others, because you will answer to God for it.
If you are a muslim, no wonder you are miserable, because you have no hope of salvation.
Posted by: n.a. palm at April 04, 2006 01:30 PM (uO8TL)
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you wrote( be careful when you judge athers ,you will answer to god for it) exuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me ? what do you think you are doing all the time? about salvation Christianity and Islam differ regarding the concept of the Original Sin. According to Christianity, Adam and Eve, the first humans sinned when they ate the forbidden fruit. They were expelled from heaven and sin entered the world. Every child of Adam, you and I, according to Christianity has inherited this sin (as genetic inheritance). Therefore, every male and female is born stained with sin and is therefore destined to hell, from birth. This belief in Christianity gave rise to the doctrine of Atonement. According to this doctrine, God sacrificed his "only begotten" son, Jesus to wash away the sins of the world. The only thing people have to do to wash away their hereditary stain is to believe in Jesus as God's son and that he died for them.
Islam does not agree with all this. According to the Qur'an, every one is responsible for their own doings and nobody can carry the burden of another. God is forgiving and if a person sincerely repents, amends and does what is good and righteous, God forgives. Adam did not ask us before eating the fruit, so how can we be blamed?
In any society, where justice is one of the highest valued morals, killing an innocent man (Jesus) to wash away the sins of the guilty would be condemned as immoral, yet billions of people rejoice over this "gift" of injustice! Once again, the source of conflict is Paul and not Jesus. Jesus never talked about atonement or a "free-ride" through the blood of an innocent man.
On the contrary he said, "Â…If you would enter life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17). It was Paul who brought the concept of the Original Sin into Christianity.
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In any society, where justice is one of the highest valued morals, killing an innocent man (Jesus) to wash away the sins of the guilty would be condemned as immoral, yet billions of people rejoice over this "gift" of injustice!
Are you kidding? The killing of Jesus IS condemned as immoral by christians (just watch Gibson's Passion of the Christ).
What christians are grateful for is not his unjust killing, but that Jesus submitted himself to such a gross injustice for our sakes. It was a gift, and no "quotes" around gift are necessary.
All sacrifices for others are inherently unjust-- that why it's called sacrifice-- somebody else pays the price. And that's what makes them heroic.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 04, 2006 07:14 PM (8e/V4)
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DEAR OYSTER
There is no middle ground or compromise
[59:21] If we revealed this Quran to a mountain, you would see it trembling, crumbling, out of reverence for GOD. We cite these examples for the people, that they may reflect.
[29:43] We cite these examples for the people, and none appreciate them except the knowledgeable.*
[7:204] When the Quran is recited, you shall listen to it and take heed, that you may attain mercy.
Wisdom: A Great Treasure
[2:269] He bestows wisdom upon whomever He chooses, and whoever attains wisdom, has attained a great bounty. Only those who possess intelligence will take heed.
[6:126] This is the straight path to your Lord. We have explained the revelations for people who take heed.
[17:41] We have cited in this Quran (all kinds of examples), that they may take heed. But it only augments their aversion.
[17:89] We have cited for the people in this Quran all kinds of examples, but most people insist upon disbelieving.
Throughout the whole Quran, we learn that any choice we make, based on the Quranic teachings, has to come down to one out of two totally opposite choices. It's part of God's mercy and His infinite grace to cite the examples for us in a very clear manner by presenting very contrasting views, paths and destinies. However and as stated in the above verses, only the intelligent, knowledgeable and wise ones will take heed and the majority will end up with a miserable choice!
It's either God or Satan.
[2:208] O you who believe, you shall embrace total submission; do not follow the steps of Satan, for he is your most ardent enemy.
Satan Claims the Majority
[34:20] Satan found them readily fulfilling his expectations. They followed him, except a few believers.
It's one of two paths, straight or crooked,
[76:3] We showed him the two paths, then he is either appreciative, or unappreciative.
[7:45] "who repel from the path of GOD, and strive to make it crooked, and, with regard to the Hereafter, they are disbelievers."
It's either belief or disbelief.
[3:177] Those who choose disbelief, instead of belief, do not hurt GOD in the least; they have incurred a painful retribution.
The absolute truth or falsehood.
[10:32] Such is GOD, your rightful Lord. What is there after the truth, except falsehood? How could you disregard all this?
[6:73] He is the One who created the heavens and the earth, truthfully. Whenever He says, "Be," it is. His word is the absolute truth. All sovereignty belongs to Him the day the horn is blown. Knower of all secrets and declarations, He is the Most Wise, the Cognizant.
Doubtful or certain.
[3:7] He sent down to you this scripture, containing straightforward verses - which constitute the essence of the scripture - as well as multiple-meaning or allegorical verses. Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning. None knows the true meaning thereof except GOD and those well founded in knowledge. They say, "We believe in this - all of it comes from our Lord." Only those who possess intelligence will take heed.
[9:125] As for those who harbored doubts in their hearts, it actually added unholiness to their unholiness, and they died as disbelievers.
[2:4] And they believe in what was revealed to you, and in what was revealed before you,* and with regard to the Hereafter, they are absolutely certain.
In the Hereafter, will it be hellfire or paradise?
[59:20] Not equal are the dwellers of the Hellfire and the dwellers of Paradise; the dwellers of Paradise are the winners.
Should we choose this temporary life or the abode of the Hereafter?
God Controls All Provisions
[13:26] GOD is the One who increases the provision for whomever He wills, or withholds it. They have become preoccupied with this life; and this life, compared to the Hereafter, is nil.
Rearranging Our Priorities
[6:32] The life of this world is no more than illusion and vanity, while the abode of the Hereafter is far better for the righteous. Do you not understand?!
Who is to follow? Guided or misguided leaders?
[28:41] We made them imams who led their people to Hell. Furthermore, on the Day of Resurrection, they will have no help.
[32:24] We appointed from among them imams who guided in accordance with our commandments, because they steadfastly persevered and attained certainty about our revelations.
Please reflect on the following bright contrast of black and white:
[5:100] Proclaim: "The bad and the good are not the same, even if the abundance of the bad may impress you. You shall reverence GOD, (even if you are in the minority) O you who possess intelligence, that you may succeed."
[32:18] Is one who is a believer the same as one who is wicked? They are not equal.
[35:19] The blind and the seer are not equal.
[35:20] Nor are the darkness and the light.
[35:21] Nor are the coolness of the shade and the heat of the sun.
[35:22] Nor are the living and the dead; GOD causes whomever He wills to hear. You cannot make hearers out of those in the graves.
[39:9] Is it not better to be one of those who meditate in the night, prostrating and staying up, being aware of the Hereafter, and seeking the mercy of their Lord? Say, "Are those who know equal to those who do not know?" Only those who possess intelligence will take heed.
[41:34] Not equal is the good response and the bad response. You shall resort to the nicest possible response. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend.
The Rich Believer is Better than the Poor Believer
[16:75] GOD cites the example of a slave who is owned, and is totally powerless, compared to one whom we blessed with good provisions, from which he gives to charity secretly and publicly. Are they equal? Praise be to GOD, most of them do not know.
[16:76] And GOD cites the example of two men: one is dumb, lacks the ability to do anything, is totally dependent on his master - whichever way he directs him, he cannot produce anything good. Is he equal to one who rules with justice, and is guided in the right path?
Higher Ranks for the Strivers
[4:95] Not equal are the sedentary among the believers who are not handicapped, and those who strive in the cause of GOD with their money and their lives. GOD exalts the strivers with their money and their lives above the sedentary. For both, GOD promises salvation, but GOD exalts the strivers over the sedentary with a great recompense.
[39:29] GOD cites the example of a man who deals with disputing partners (Hadith), compared to a man who deals with only one consistent source (Quran). Are they the same? Praise be to GOD; most of them do not know.
We're all here on this earth for a second and final chance. It's either redemption and eternal bliss or eternal retribution. Either the right choice or the miserable one. Being hesitant, will not help. Staying in the gray zone is a condemned apathy. Waiting and postponing our decisions is nothing but a hypnotizing act of Satan just to delay our certainty until it's too late.
Too Late
[32:12] If only you could see the guilty when they bow down their heads before their Lord: "Our Lord, now we have seen and we have heard. Send us back and we will be righteous. Now we have attained certainty."*
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If you believe we are here for a second, and final chance, you fit in just fine with the New World Order, and New Age beliefs.
The G-d I pray to sent his son into the world to die for my sins, so I can have enternal life. G-d sent his son into this world not to condem it, but to save it. Jesus said " I am the way, and the life, he who believes in me shall not perish, but have enternal life". What happens when I fall short of perfection is that I lose rewards in Heaven, but not my erternal soul.
Stop praying to a false moon god you can not know, and turn to Christ who died, but was risen, and sits on the right hand of G-d Almighty. I will not cut your head off if you do not believe as I do. I will not make you pay a tax either.
That is what everyone is angry about. Islam is a religion of hate, and death. Most people are sick and tired of tuning the other cheek.
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Why is when muslims or their dhimmis speak, it sounds like someone with a head injury babbling incoherently? If it weren't for cut and paste, they wouldn't have much to say.
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Hey wheres AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL? wheres the UN human rights groups? their nowhere to be found
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April 02, 2006
Islamic Cleric Murdered in Pakistan
Call this what you get when you are Muslim and speak out for Islam and against terror and death.
Khaleejtimes DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan - Suspected Islamic militants killed a cleric in a Pakistani tribal region near the Afghan border over suspicion he was a spy for the United States and Britain, officials said on Sunday.
The bullet-riddled body of Maulana Zahir Shah, who ran an Islamic school, was found Sunday in Sararogha, a mountainous area in the lawless South Waziristan tribal region, three days after five armed men abducted him from his seminary.
Shah helped authorities run an FM radio station that aired programs critical of the militants from his school in Tajori, a town near the border with South Waziristan, about 80 kilometers (50 miles) north of Dera
In a sign of growing strength in South Waziristan, militants have issued orders for local tribesmen to grow beards or face punishment.
On Friday, the militants held a meeting in Jandola, a small town in the region, and warned local clerics not to solemnize the weddings or funerals of men who do not have beards, an internal police report said. A copy of the report was made available to an Associated Press reporter in Dera Ismail Khan on Saturday.
Radical Islamists consider shaving facial hair to be un-Islamic
Well what did you expect heÂ’d get, a new washer and dryer? Hairy.
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Didn't they get Bush's "Religion of Peace" memo? Muslims are murderous scum, bent on conquest and destruction of every country on earth, and our leaders are telling us lies that serve the enemy's purpose. It's time for revolution people, because things aren't going to get any better the way they are. Hang all the bastards and start over.
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Dr Sanity Finds Nut!
Yep.
Dr. Sanity Unbelievable material from MEMRI (hat tip: LGF). Read/watch the entire interview, but here is the final bit:
And now the nut.
Mermi : The first is the khifadh circumcision of the girls. The second factor is modesty, the third is the mother's monitoring of the daughter's behavior, and finally, the observance of prayer.
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Interviewer: Is the girl asked whether she wants to be circumcised or not?
Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: No. We ask the doctor, who makes the decision.
Dr. Malika Zarrar: God help us.
Interviewer: So what about the girl's opinion?
Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: What do you mean?
Interviewer: What if she says: I don't want to be circumcised. What happens then?
Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: If a girl says she doesn't want it, she's free. No problem.
Interviewer: Is this what happens in reality?
Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: I have no relation to reality. I am talking about how things should be.
Interviewer: You are a religious sheik, from Al-Azahar University. You cannot say you have no relation to reality.
Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: Reality is a mistake, we must rectify it.
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In Egypt we have four and a half million spinsters. The definition of a spinster is a woman who has reached 30, without ever receiving a marriage proposal. We have a spinster problem in the Arab world, and the last thing we want is for them to be sexually aroused. Circumcision of the girls who need it makes them chaste, dignified, and pure.
Whoa man you see that nut? That man is crazy!
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I hope all the idiot liberal whores like getting clitorectomized when their new masters take over.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 03, 2006 06:03 AM (0yYS2)
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Wow. And the West and Israel get blamed for making Islam look bad.
Posted by: Graeme at April 03, 2006 07:24 AM (o1ojb)
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Shocker! I tell you I'm shocked. Surely the ROP would not be for such a think, women having more rights than men and all in the Islamic World.
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 03, 2006 07:48 AM (rUyw4)
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"thing" is what I meant, not think. We all no these radicals don't think.
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Yeah, he's crazy, all right.
Circumcision of that sort is not going to keep women from getting aroused, it will just keep them from doing much about it.
All them horny, frustrated old maids.
Sounds like he is going to get an appropriate punishment.
Posted by: Phillep at April 03, 2006 09:11 AM (BPRoL)
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"Reality is a mistake" sounds like a bumper sticker from the doped-out 1960s.
Posted by: Mike at April 03, 2006 09:26 AM (b10wT)
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Reality is Americans circumcise like Mohammadans on crack. They just prefer penises to clitorises. We got our own circ problem. Good post, but for irony only.
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The USA is the only place in the world that circumcises for aesthetic reasons, informed consent is not applied to infant boys here. Wash it, don't amputate it!!! Our infant boys are not farm animals!!!
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The specific origins of FGM are somewhat obscured by time. Most often the historic justifications cited are marital fidelity, controlling the woman's sex drive, preventing lesbianism, ensuring paternity, "calming" her personality, and hygiene. It is commonly considered an important rite of passage. In some regions, a celebration accompanies the event while in others there is no particular ceremony, gifts, or ritual. FGM is practiced, to some degree, by Muslims, Christians, Jews, and animists alike. In many cultures, sexual pleasure is considered to be for men alone. Overall attitudes can vary greatly between the various FGM practicing ethnic groups and cultures. Within some ethnic groups, adolescent sex is permitted, even encouraged, until circumcision is performed and "adult" responsibilities commence.
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March 26, 2006
Abdul Rahman May be Freed
To follow up
on Blutos earlier post, CNN is flying a banner this morning(
story up) saying western diplomats expect Rahman will be released today. However they are also reporting that Rahman has been moved to Prison. And pope Pope Benedict XVI has formally requested his release. My concern is both that he may be executed and if not his safety upon release. Muslim clerics have called for the people to quote, “
Pull him into pieces!”. Rahman remains steadfast in his faith.
Rahman told the Rome daily La Repubblica Via CNN :"I am serene. I have full awareness of what I have chosen. If I must die, I will die, Somebody a long time ago did it for all of us.”
Many nations, Christian and Secular have done much for the Muslims in Afghanistan. Your freedom is our cause. As your friends we have seen and taken pity on this man. As a favor and gesture of goodwill I ask that you ensure his safety and free transport to exile to Rome. Deport him if you do not desire his presence and surely his children should be with their Father. IÂ’ve heard quotes from Afghanistan like this one.
Via The Volokh Consiracy : "According to Islamic law he should be sentenced to death because God has clearly stated that Christianity is forbidden in our land," says Mohammed Qadir, another worshipper.
Eugene Volokh Add this:
This is telling evidence, it seems to me, that there is something very wrong in Islam today, and not just in some lunatic terrorist fringe. Doubtless many, I would hope most, Muslims would not endorse executing converts.
Christians are and have been very good brothers to the people of Afghanistan? Why then do you forbid us in your nation? Brothers should stand close to one another and sometimes correct the other. We hear your complaints and are trying to help. Now we ask the same from you.
I pray for Adbdul RahmanÂ’s safe release. IÂ’m not Catholic but I appreciate the work they are doing. Their help gives me some hope. They have a good track record in these things.
Update : ABCNEWS is reporting the case has been dismissed due to "problems" with the evidence. and Rahman will be relased soon.
Others: Michelle Malkin, Captain's Quarters, Jihad Watch and The Anchoress.
more...
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>>>>"I am serene. I have full awareness of what I have chosen. If I must die, I will die, Somebody a long time ago did it for all of us.”
Can anybody spot the difference between a christian martyr vs a muslim one? A christian martyr DIES for this faith, while a muslim one KILLS for his.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 26, 2006 10:02 AM (8e/V4)
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His release amounts to nothing more than a death sentence. Unless he is allowed refuge in another nation, he will be killed by the public.
Posted by: The Gentle Cricket at March 26, 2006 10:32 AM (USZUJ)
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Check out this 5 minute CNN tape.
The 9-11 Truth Movement has exploded on CNN.
Thousands of people are emailing CNN in approval.
In CNNÂ’s poll, which asks if you believe the
government was involved in 9-11, 67% say yes. Even I
am surprised.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/sheen_alex_jones_showbiz_tonight_video.htm
Posted by: Greg at March 26, 2006 11:29 AM (q5wwn)
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greg,
do you have a link for that CNN poll? I will believe it when I see it.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 26, 2006 11:40 AM (8e/V4)
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greg,
page not found. They pulled it?
Means that CNN is probably embarrassed that all the loons suddenly appeared out of the woodwork and is going to kill their rating amongst regular folks.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 26, 2006 11:50 AM (8e/V4)
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Never mind. I found it.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 26, 2006 11:52 AM (8e/V4)
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Notice how the poll question is worded for maximum deceptive results.
Charlie Sheen and conspiracy theorists claim the government actually COMMITTED the attack.
But the poll asks an entirely different question-- whether they believe the government "covered up" the real events.
Two different issues, yet the conspiracists try to use the latter to support the former. Even a child can see whats going on here. Conspiracy theorists (and CNN) is guilty of deception.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 26, 2006 11:57 AM (8e/V4)
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Greg, you do realise that, assuming that only US citizens voted, approximately 0.014% of the population agrees with Charlie Sheen. The results become even more irrelevant if one assumes that the poll is international.
Posted by: Graeme at March 26, 2006 12:00 PM (VwhTY)
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>>>>The results become even more irrelevant if one assumes that the poll is international.
Good point.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 26, 2006 12:11 PM (8e/V4)
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Still hijacking threads, eh Greg?
Posted by: Oyster at March 26, 2006 12:21 PM (YudAC)
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Belittle the poll all you want.
We-sa-comin-ta-gitcha!
Posted by: Greg at March 26, 2006 12:45 PM (q5wwn)
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Graeme,
Do you realize that presidential polls have an n=1000 or less.
This poll has an n>=50,000
Posted by: Greg at March 26, 2006 12:54 PM (q5wwn)
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Is it possible a factor that may need to be considered is the number of times Greg has voted?
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>>>>the number of times Greg has voted?
lol! vote. delete cookies. vote. delete cookies. repeat process all afternoon.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 26, 2006 01:17 PM (8e/V4)
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If I vote will that make you happy?
Posted by: Howie at March 26, 2006 01:22 PM (D3+20)
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Greg,
that poll, properly worded to reflect what moonbat Sheen ACTUALLY said, wouldn't reflect those numbers and you know it.
Then put the poll on Fox instead of CNN and fuggedaboutit. CNN gets a fraction of the hits the Fox does.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 26, 2006 01:22 PM (8e/V4)
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How do you get a liberal to leave your property?
Pay him for the pizza.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 26, 2006 01:27 PM (0yYS2)
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Howie,
What would make me happy is if you'd watch the CNN feed at:
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/sheen_alex_jones_showbiz_tonight_video.htm
and if Rusty would take off all of these silly filters. My gosh, look how much trouble it is to link to C N N on the Jawa Report. Same for the B B C.
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Greg: They're probably PixyMisa's filters? the comment script is on blog.mu.nu not jawa.
Greg I could write code in under 10 minutes that would click that vote all day, and someone probably did. Every conference I go to, I see to meet some moonbat programmer who thinks we're in the Matrix, or that Roswell space alien technology is being harnessed in the U.S technology race.
Re: subject
Via The Volokh Consiracy : "According to Islamic law he should be sentenced to death because God has clearly stated that Christianity is forbidden in our land," says Mohammed Qadir, another worshipper.
This guy does realise Afghanistan wasn't Muslim land until ROP raiders came across, and killed everyone in their wake right?
Posted by: davec at March 26, 2006 02:14 PM (CcXvt)
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Dave: That's the mindset. Anything before their appearance doesn't count. Once they step in, their laws and beliefs supercede everything. Anything before that is discounted as illegitimate and doesn't even merit discussion. The only time even biblical history is brought up it's twisted and bastardized to lay a false foundation for their own beliefs. The final answer to everything is that it's Allah's will. When they get boxed into a corner, that's always the answer. That's the signal that the discussion is over.
Posted by: Oyster at March 26, 2006 02:41 PM (YudAC)
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He should be freed no one should be pursicuted for becoming a christain and by the way they still persicte christains in CHINA and CUBA and probibly NORTH KOREA thats what the ACLU dose here in this country
Posted by: sandpiper at March 26, 2006 02:55 PM (slksM)
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Davec,
The 9-11 Truth Movement is going to be part of American lore, at a minimum.
It's entirely possible that there will be convictions if this gets out of hand.
The right ignores this issue at its own peril. "The worm has turned".
To be fair. The OKC bombing that occurred under Clinton was also covered up as was the first WTC bombing.
Posted by: Greg at March 26, 2006 02:58 PM (q5wwn)
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>>>>To be fair. The OKC bombing that occurred under Clinton was also covered up as was the first WTC bombing.
So explain that. What is the pattern? Are you saying Clinton blew up the Murrah building? And for what purpose. And how does that tie into 9/11. Pattern, please. Or else it's just random synapse firing by conspiracy kooks.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 26, 2006 03:10 PM (8e/V4)
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Carlos,
At the time the government was very worried about militia.
Since the bombing, militia have lost strength.
The OKC bombing was probably an entrapment psyop.
The reports of John Doe being of middle eastern origin is significant.
After the first gulf war hundreds of Iraqi military were repatriated to OKC.
The goverment has never shown us the security film which would identify John Doe as a coconspirator of McVeigh.
The pattern is to cause false flag operations to herd the masses politically. It's not a Republican thing, both parties do it.
Posted by: Greg at March 26, 2006 03:33 PM (q5wwn)
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Where does Karl Rove's earthquake generator, mounted on the nose of the space shuttle fit in?
Posted by: davec at March 26, 2006 03:40 PM (CcXvt)
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Oyster,
As usual you make an excellent point. I just finished reading a History of India, and I can tell you that the barbarity inflicted on the Hindus and Buddists by Islam is without any compare, except perhaps the slaughter of Jews and Slavs by the Nazis. And even the Nazis could not accomplish what Islam did to India, where upwards of 80 million people were slaughtered. A mountain range in Afghanistan, the Hindu Kush, which means Hindu slaughter, was named after events that took place here.
And you are right again, oyster, because Afghanistan was controlled by Hindus and Buddists before the Muslims came. Mahmud of Ghazni led seventeen expeditions into India over a 27 year period that was nothing more than a slaughter. All in the name of Islam.
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 26, 2006 03:59 PM (rUyw4)
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Greg: I will watch the feed when I have the pipes for it. I'll vote to. I reckon there is some detail they may have left out or be "suppressing". Or maybe not I'll decide tomorrow. Now you guys greg is excited let's be happy for him. I suppose as long a Greg is proud of it that's all that matters right Greg.
Posted by: Howie at March 26, 2006 05:53 PM (D3+20)
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Amen Brotha,
Every dog has his day.
As things develop, I'll make sure the Jawa community hears about it.
Posted by: Greg at March 26, 2006 06:33 PM (q5wwn)
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Gee, thanks, Greg, you are a true humanitarian.
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>>>>The pattern is to cause false flag operations to herd the masses politically. It's not a Republican thing, both parties do it.
greg,
sorry, that's too monstrous to accept based just on questionable circumstantial evidence and speculative conclusions.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 26, 2006 09:17 PM (M3nr/)
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Gee Greg. If this is a matter of such magnitude you owe it to the world to start a blog insted of limiting this dire information to us measley few. Oh, wait .... no one will read it, you say? Well, you've a point there. Better to hijack threads and preach to a captive audience than get rejected by the masses with no hits to your counter, eh?
Posted by: Oyster at March 27, 2006 10:31 AM (V9juS)
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Poll gone looking for video. And yes greg should start a blog. I think it would do OK. Heck I'll even read it.
www.blogger.com/start
Posted by: Howie at March 27, 2006 11:25 AM (D3+20)
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Greg send it to me video site too slow today.
Posted by: Howie at March 27, 2006 11:39 AM (D3+20)
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Howie,
The story has probably been spiked by now.
I'm at Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton until Thursday presenting my research.
When I get back to Austin I'll try and find an archived copy for you.
Best,
Greg
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I could see the site you posted. Looks like they have it just too slow. I'll try again tomorrow.
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March 25, 2006
Honor Killings
(Ankara, Turkey) Last year, the Turkish government performed a major revision to its penal code to meet minimum standards required for the country to join the European Union. As an example, it's now
mandated that murders committed to preserve a family's honor will result in an automatic life term in prison. Previously, honor killings were committed with lenient or no punishment imposed.
Sounds good but, unfortunately, there are 70 million Muslims in the country who have accepted honor killings as a traditional and historic fact of life. In my estimation, it will take a generation or two at least to see any substantive departure from the infamous practice.
However, one troubling fact about the new legislation is that it contains a provision for mitigating the life sentences for honor killings if the perpetrator is provoked. Turkish courts have used this provision in the new law to reduce sentences.
In one case, a brother who gruesomely murdered his sister for becoming pregnant out of wedlock had his life sentence reduced to 20 years "on the grounds of his good behavior in court and also the fact that his action had been heavily provoked." Other than to "cleanse" the family's honor, it's not clear what "heavily provoked" means. It appears to be entirely subjective and controversial, to say the least.
As a consequence, the Turkish Supreme Court of Appeals was asked to weigh in on the subject.
From Turkish Daily News:
The Supreme Court of Appeals' First Criminal Bureau decided on Friday that individuals found guilty of an "honor" killing could not benefit from a reduction in sentence due to provocation, arguing that the committing of such a crime resulted not from provocation but from a desire to ensure the survival of a bad tradition.
"Bad tradition" is an understatement. I'd call it barbaric. Nevertheless, at least some top-down pressure from an authoritative body is being placed on the citizens of Turkey to change their thinking.
From Interested-Participant.
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Re: "Bad tradition"
As long as they're moving in the right direction I won't quibble over terminology - yet.
Posted by: Oyster at March 25, 2006 10:40 AM (MkwVi)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killings Here is a link to the wikipedia article on "honor killings" Honor killings are forbidden by sharia law although any exta marital sex is punishable by harsh penalties.
Posted by: john Ryan at March 25, 2006 11:23 AM (TcoRJ)
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The decision is an improvement, but will it have any real impact? One of the ways islamic families residing in europe get around the laws is to ship the relative to another islamic country where the deed can be done with little or no repercussions. With Turkey bordering Syria and Iran, it's possible that this will become the preferred method.
Posted by: Graeme at March 25, 2006 11:50 AM (5+rGF)
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Turky: Allies in the War Against Terror!
Is Bush bad
yet guys, or is he going to have to name Zarqawi as his chosen heir to the presidency before you guys get it that he's botched the entire WoT up pretty bad?
Granted, he botched it
less than Kerry would have, but thats not saying a whole lot.
Posted by: MiB at March 25, 2006 12:12 PM (XRlh2)
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It is a positive step (albeit a small one) in the right direcion. History is a good ruler and Honor Killings are not so foreign in our own culture. 300 years ago things of this nature were common all over western europe, often times conducted in the name of GOD. This is a country with a significant Muslim population and you can't just assign a US Constitution and call it a day. There would be rebelion of the highest order, Muslim Clerics would win in the aftermath of the fall of the deposed secular government, and you would have another Theocracy like Iran. Don't push your luck.
Posted by: The Gunny at March 25, 2006 01:57 PM (UItaE)
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then of course you get the ever popular "It's Bush's fault" comment. Come on, hippie, if you going to keep giving the guy credit for everything in the world doesn't that kind of defeat the saying that he doesn't know what is going on? Your making no sense.. "Bush did it because he is evil hahaha...Bush doesn't know what is going on anywhere he is dumb...Bush planned the whole thing...Bush is dumb...Bush mastermined 9/11...Bush is dumb"
MAKE UP YOUR MIND, HIPPIE.
Posted by: The Gunny at March 25, 2006 02:16 PM (UItaE)
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Honor killing law (milder sentences for honor killing) was abrogated in Italy at the end of the seventies.
When these laws are abrogated, the social change is already in the way.
And Turkey will entre in the UE not before than 20 years.
Posted by: Mirco Romanato at March 25, 2006 02:24 PM (zIHiB)
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Honor killings are more of a cultural driven occurrence then a religion driven problem. Blaming honor killings on Islam is like blaming Christianity for high murder rates. 4 out of 5 of the countries which have the highest rates of murder are heavily Christian http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_percap Columbia, South Africa, Jamaica, Venezuela the 5th highest is Russia. Buddhist Thailand came in with a disappointing number #14 about twice more then even the United States
Posted by: john Ryan at March 25, 2006 03:02 PM (TcoRJ)
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Whether honor killings are islamic in nature is neither here nor there. When Islamic clerics and fanatics use Islam as justification for it is when it becomes an issue. Every time a man kills his wife for cheating on him it's an honor killing no matter where it is. The difference is whether it's found acceptable by a culture which uses religious doctrine (right or wrong) to legitimize it. In the numerous cases in the Middle East their common theme is that Islam permits it. The Koran condemns rape too, but Muslim men often use Islam as justification for it,
"She was not properly veiled."
Posted by: Oyster at March 25, 2006 03:19 PM (V9juS)
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I'd consider the jump from honor killings to the War on Terror as lacking logic. Unless I'm missing something, they are entirely different issues. And how President Bush got roped into the discussion is beyond me.
Frankly, I think the post could have been about cooking lamb kabobs and MiB would have found a way to ctiticize and blame the President.
Posted by: Mike at March 25, 2006 06:33 PM (g7eZx)
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Mike, Bush is Satan. Haven't you heard?
All sarcasm aside, hardly a discussion comes up that Bush isn't somehow responsible in the eyes of some.
Posted by: Oyster at March 25, 2006 07:02 PM (YudAC)
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Stll pretty backwards are,nt thay?
Posted by: sandpiper at March 26, 2006 02:57 PM (slksM)
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I think what you guys are doing in Turkey is VERY WRONG. Killed for being pregnant, stupid. Genocide will never cease!
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March 23, 2006
Women's Rights Under Islam
(Damascas) A
Reuters report out of Syria details some of the stringent rules imposed on women under Sharia Law. They are oppressive. For example:
Under Syrian law a husband can divorce his wife simply by telling her, "you are divorced," three times, while women seeking separation must navigate a multitude of legal hurdles that usually take two years to complete.
If that isn't bad enough, custody rights over children are grossly unequal for divorced women who are even denied the ability to pass on their nationality. However, the legal and justice system is the most egregious in denying women their rights as citizens.
Though such cases are greatly underreported, Da'ad Mousa, a prominent Damascus lawyer and women's rights advocate, said that more than 100 cases of so-called "honour killings" were reported in Syrian newspapers between 2000 and 2003. The majority of the men involved, who killed a female relative suspected of an illicit sexual affair in the belief that the liaison tarnished the family's "honour," went unpunished.
In one case last September, a man killed his sister because she married a man from another religion.
In 2003, Syria ratified the UN Convention on the Elimination of all Forms of Discrimination Against Women, while taking exception to any provisions found contrary to Sharia Law. A lot of good that did.
I have to ask. Where are all the American and European women's rights advocates on this issue? It's an area where feminists could and should focus the public's attention and resources to spearhead reform.
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OT, but the Christian Peacemaker team, without Mr. Fox, of course, has been freed by military action.
Thank God!
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 23, 2006 05:13 AM (rUyw4)
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That question keeps coming up and has yet to be answered. Just why
do western feminists ignore it? Why is Hollywood silent about affronts to freedom of expression such as their colleague Theo van Gogh was laid victim to? Why do journalists admonish the publication of the Muhammed cartoons, but gleefully publish that which offends a multitude of others? Why?
Posted by: Oyster at March 23, 2006 05:17 AM (YudAC)
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You know why Oyster; liberals are as much enemies of civilization as are muslims, and seek to undermine it from within while the muslims attack from without. Both groups are comprised of dangerous morons who envision some sort of twisted dystopian future, albeit different futures, and both understand that the barrier that must be surmounted is Western Civilization, and so both groups seek to destroy it at all costs.
The day will come soon when they openly join ranks in their war against all that is decent and good, and whitebread college kids will be planting bombs in Starbucks, and muslims will be burning down neighborhoods, all while government spokesweasels call for calm and wring their hands, and we will be abandoned to fight for our own survival.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 23, 2006 05:44 AM (0yYS2)
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Just how effective "women's rights advocates" would be in affecting change in Syria or Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan is open to question/ However I believe our elected government would have a much better chance in demanding meaningful change. The National Organization of Women just doesn't have the came clout overseas as does the US federal government. With a clear RepublicaN magority in both houses of congress AND the presidency we should be able to have influence overseas.
Posted by: john Ryan at March 23, 2006 09:02 AM (TcoRJ)
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Actually, IM, I see it more as leftists who are the danger. We've discussed this before. Classic liberalism is much different. I myself subscribe to some liberal philosophy and some conservative philosophy, but none of my beliefs are rooted in leftist philosophy. However, many who call themselves liberals are really leftists. They don't know the difference. Yes, many liberals are silent as well. They have cast their lot with the leftists out of ignorance and their silence, or fence-sitting, is a problem.
Posted by: Oyster at March 23, 2006 09:02 AM (g9UJq)
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Muslims, especially if they are devout believers, often are racist, sexist, child-abusing, violent, intolerant monsters. And those that aren't could easily be coerced to become so.
It's like a gang thing...get it?
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John Ryan: The rhetoric coming out of Afghanistan over Abdul Rahman's arrest has sure changed. To what do we credit that? I'd say it was the world-wide response from individual people and groups.
Posted by: Oyster at March 23, 2006 09:11 AM (g9UJq)
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Of course it is easier to have an impact on the situation of one individual (christian) man.It might also be because of what our President Bush has said publicly. I haven't seen too much written that would indicate to me that the circumstances for the typical woman in Afghanistan has changed from when I lived there in 1976-7. Even under the new government the typical female is really not much different than chattel. A gross change in culture is not easily obtained.
Posted by: john Ryan at March 23, 2006 09:59 AM (TcoRJ)
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Oyster, you have made a valid point. And the question should be to these women's groups and their allies; why haven't you pointed out the discrimination inherant in Sharia Law? And don't say that this doesn't apply in the West as adherants of Sharia are seeking to have it implemented in Canada, Britain, France and other nations in the West. The silence of these leftists is deafening. Now where's that big mouth background noise? I'm sure he or John Ryan will give me the NYT's spin on this subject.
And now that I think about it, I should be thankful to John Ryan and Mr. noise for saving me subscription money on the NYT, as either of both are likely to be vomiting out whatever they read in the Times. Thanks, guys!
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 23, 2006 10:06 AM (rUyw4)
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I don't think there is much of a true women's movement still around in the USA and Europe. Remnants of the movement march under its banner for various causes but I really don't think it exists as before. Alot has changed since women first burned their bras in the street, and what remains of the movement now seems to be aligned to the anti-American left.
Dr. Wafta Sultan was on Israeli National Radio speaking about the future of the Islamic Middle East and she spoke of the necessity of the region's women to speak out and to provide new direction for their people. She feels these women of the Middle East are the hope and the key for making the long overdue changes in the mentality.
I think this is why the Taliban in Afghanistan and the Iranian mullahs subjugated women to what was basically house arrest when they came to power. They feel their power to exercise violent and authoritarian control is threatened by women.
Posted by: Heroic Dreams at March 23, 2006 10:16 AM (aH6Zf)
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I see no evidence explaining why it's easier to have an impact on the life of one over many. The fact still remains that feminists and leftists are largely silent. Hollywood elites and journalists are expending huge amounts of energy to vilify the Bush Administration, and conservatives while ignoring colleagues who are being silenced and intimidated and threatened with their lives for speaking their own minds. Free speech and expression is their mantra, yet when others are silenced for it, they clam up. They should be
very vocal when this happens.
The power of many voices is never to be underestimated.
Posted by: Oyster at March 23, 2006 10:35 AM (g9UJq)
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I'm with Oyster. The fact that we hear absolutely nothing from the feminists is telling.
Posted by: Mike at March 23, 2006 11:07 AM (vjbTI)
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I am somewhat surprised that so many of the commentors are bothering to keep track of what the leftists and feminists are saying about the plight of women in muslim countries. So the point is "they" are not doing enough. "We" are doing everything possible to help the plight of the muslim women, but "they" are doing nothing. If anyone would like I will be happy to google any leftist organization to see what they have to say about the plight of women overseas especially muslims. Which particular group do we think should be doing more ?
Posted by: john Ryan at March 23, 2006 11:34 AM (TcoRJ)
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Joe I do subscribe to the NYT, but also to the Wall Street Journal. Today in the WSJ in the first section (news) there was not one mention of Iraq. I also read the Fox News on line. Probably the World Net Daily and the Weekly Standard I find the least accurate. I generally also use the Drudge report, I like their listing of so many different news sources. It means that I do not have to bookmark them. I also use google a lot. This is how I locate discrepancies in stories like the one yesterday about the second attack on a paramilitary police station. The one that had the insurgents caught in a crossfire and a 2 hour gun battle where no one was killed. I do not trust ANY one source for news. Which news sources do you find the most accurate Joe ?
Posted by: john Ryan at March 23, 2006 11:49 AM (TcoRJ)
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Joe and on NPR my favorite show is "Car Talk" but I seldom catch it anymore.
Posted by: john Ryan at March 23, 2006 12:02 PM (TcoRJ)
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Ah, therein lies the problem Oyster; defining exactly who is the enemy, and by what criteria we may identify them. I consider myself to
be liberal in the classic sense, but have nothing whatsoever in common with anyone who simply is
a liberal.
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John, no one's "keeping track" of what feminist groups are speaking out about the plight of the Muslim woman. Can't keep track of what's either not there or to little to even register. Some things are just more conspicuous in their absense.
The Feminist Majority Foundation, which is a world wide organization, is about the only one who truly address these issues witout focusing on only one group of women or one issue. Other than that, the only groups really doing work for Muslim women are groups formed by other Muslim women.
Posted by: Oyster at March 23, 2006 03:37 PM (MkwVi)
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It appears most burkas come in black. I have seen a few women in the news wearing light blue burkas, but they were getting beat by a skinny man with a beard.
Perhaps, there is a large market for burkas, with more than one color as a option. Islam is growing here inside the U.S. If I get a early start, I could be the owner of burka stores throughout the lower 48 states.
I could even go so far as to have slogans printed on the back of burkas. For example, I wear nothing under my burka, or this burka sets me free. Things like that.
Posted by: Leatherneck at March 23, 2006 03:46 PM (D2g/j)
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Glad you asked, John. I like the Dallas Morning News for a newspaper, although I've been reading the Arkansas Democrat Gazette while I've been working over here in Arkansas. I occasionally listen to Fox News, CNN, and whatever news is on the radio when I am going from one location to another. I also like the Weekly Standard, The Southern Partisan, and US News and World Report.
I read Powerline and Michelle Malkin on a daily basis, and occasionally Tim Blair's blog and Protein Wisdom. That is about all I have time for, as I have to work more often than I want to these days. Something about a boom in the oil and gas business, but it will pass sooner or later, and I will have more time. But for now, it's drill...drill...drill. And lease...lease...lease.
Back to the subject at hand, if you notice my post, John, I tagged the fems for their lack of action on the adherants of Sharia here in the West, and said nothing about what was going on in Muslim countries like Syria. That would be better left to the State...Depart...ment... I can't stop laughing. What a joke the State Department is! Hope those poor women under Sharia do not have to wait on the State Department to do anything. That'll be the day, pilgrim!
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 23, 2006 03:54 PM (rUyw4)
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PPPPPPiiiGGGGG SSSSOOOOOOIIIIIEEEE!
Go Hogs!
Posted by: Leatherneck at March 23, 2006 07:39 PM (D2g/j)
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Leatherneck, are you a Razorback? From Fayetteville?
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 23, 2006 07:57 PM (rUyw4)
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My Grandparents live in Springdale, just next door when i was very young. My father went to School there.
Football games were great to listen to. All the fans would yell pig sooiiee loud, and all at once.
J.J. someone used my code name on a post about a child molester. At the very bottom of this web site. It read kill his family too, and I do not write like that. What should I do?
Posted by: Leatherneck at March 23, 2006 08:20 PM (D2g/j)
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Oh, well, I wouldn't worry about it, leatherneck. We get posers here all the time, and people get to know you and they know when someone is posing as you. Just deny it and go on, or e-mail Rusty and he will take care of it.
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 23, 2006 08:31 PM (rUyw4)
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Thanks J.J. It looked like you guys got some rain up there today. Does this web site have a membership? Like a gym?
Over.
Posted by: Leatherneck at March 23, 2006 08:38 PM (D2g/j)
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Nope, you can come and go as you please.
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 24, 2006 10:12 AM (rUyw4)
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My fellow Americans,
I appreciate the sincere interest in womens rights that some have shown, and would like to say that I, too, and as a Muslim myself, have rallied the cause of human rights in Muslim countries -- particularly with regard to religious freedoms -- by being heavily involved with letter writing campaigns and contacting foreign ministries and as well as my local congressman regularly for the past 10 years.
Neverthess, I find it both nauseating and embarrassing (as an American) that some such uneducated, conceited and condescending remarks about Muslims are being made casually here on this forum.
Have we forgotten our own tragic predicament?
40% of inner city African American homes are run by single mothers in this country. Over 40 million of our children have been aborted. 50% of our families are torn from divorce. Homicide and suicide are leading killers in the teen-age group. Statutory rape, sexually transmitted diseases, child pornography are rampant. Meanwhile our soldiers have raped dozens of women in iraq, killed thousands of their babies, and call them 'casualties', and have left that country destroyed, hungry and destined for civil war which may take decades to stabilize. And at a time of invasion and war, you make such insensitive statements such as Muslims are "mosters" and mocking their culture, and their practice of wearing burka (which is, in fact, reminiscient of early christian traditions kept alive by catholic nuns, and captured in depictions of Mother Mary).
Please. Lets worry about our own failing social and family dynamic. What did our mother tell us not to do with stones if we live in a glass houses?
A society that is more advanced technologically, and stronger economically does not make it morally superior. Shame on you.
- Bilal Rana (a Texan Muslim)
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Uh, Bilal, in case you hadn't noticed, my criticism was directed at feminist groups here in the US who have not spoken up about certain Muslims here in the US and other parts of the West that want to establish Sharia law. My point was that these groups have no credibility when they attack Christians particularly, and others who they deem worthy to disagree with.
Being from Texas myself, I feel no shame in opposing any religion which seeks to circumvent the Constitution of the United States, including but not limited to Islam.
And frankly, if I was a Muslim, I would be the one ashamed to show my face in public. And a religion stuck in the Dark Ages can hardly be in a position to criticize anything.
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 25, 2006 02:09 PM (rUyw4)
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Bilal, I can make fun of anything. It is called freedom of speech. You may not understand it, but it goes as follows:
Bilal get that burka back on, and back into the house. Make sure that house is clean, or you will get a good beating. Don't make me honor kill you for not wearing a burka.
If you do not like freedom of speech Bilal, perhaps you should move to a country that is ran by Islam.
Thank you, and have a great American day.
Posted by: Leatherneck at March 27, 2006 08:15 PM (D2g/j)
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Bilal A. Rana - you don't solve the problem by showing others their own problems. Why are you here if it is so bad? I am still waiting for mohamidans to to start speaking out against terrorist. I guess things were so much better under Saddam Hussain right? a regular paradise on earth
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Abdul Rahman Update
As international pressure increases on Afghanistan the case of Abdul Rahman has become a front page example the cult like “threat of death” to those who leave Islam. Today Jawa Report co-blogger Richard at Hyscience has a good post and urges the we keep up the pressure.
Richard at Hyscience : Please note action items in extended post! There are many times that the blogosphere steps forward and takes a community stand on an important issue. Saving the life of Abdur Rahman calls for such a stand, and it appears that the blogosphere is beginning to step up to the plate to do exactly that.
The now increasing international pressure has caused Afghanistan to search for a face saving way to release Abdul. If you ask me calling the man crazy does not save much face.
AP via Yahoo News : But prosecutor Sarinwal Zamari said questions have been raised about his mental fitness.
"We think he could be mad. He is not a normal person. He doesn't talk like a normal person," he told The Associated Press.
Moayuddin Baluch, a religious adviser to President Hamid Karzai, said Rahman would undergo a psychological examination.
"Doctors must examine him," he said. "If he is mentally unfit, definitely Islam has no claim to punish him. He must be forgiven. The case must be dropped."
A Western diplomat in Kabul and a human rights advocate — both of whom spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter — said the government was desperately searching for a way to drop the case because of the reaction it has caused.
While that may result in his release it’s a piss poor way of doing business. I call on Afghanistan to release Mr. Rahman immediately and stop all this “He’s a nut” nonsense. Mr. Rahman was born a Muslim and raised as such. If, when he comes of age, he cannot convert that is not much “Freedom of Religion” now is it?
Past Jawa Report coverage here and here and here too.
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So, the face-saving way out for the Afghan government here is to assert that "if you become a Christian, you must be crazy." Oooookay!
Posted by: WM at March 22, 2006 11:00 AM (3aCNQ)
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Democracy has been rendered unpalatable by our misleader who hi-jacked the election process and demonstrated to the world what a fragile system democracy is that it can be bought by a green, tyrannical wannabe. His approach to spreading Democracy around the world is like trying to get a dog to come to you by beating it! He shirks from dealing with Afghanistan over this poor christian hostage citing Afghanistan's sovereignity!
We need sensible leadership that will work hard day and night trying to figure a way out of this mess even if it means missing a photo-op, golf game, 5-week war-time vacations, playing guitar with the old folks during hurricanes, or autistic basketball. http://votetoimpeach.org
The world is my oyster! Round 'em up and rope 'em off!
Posted by: Thesaurus at March 22, 2006 11:10 AM (Y2ILH)
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I have a question. My understanding is that Afghan law allows freedom of religion, but not freedom of converstion (?!), so basically you're stuck in whatever religion you happen to be born into.
This man faces a possible death sentence for converting from Isam to Christianity, but what if a Christian converts to Islam? This in fact happened with an American currently in an Afghan jail (I forget his name, he was a journalist accussed of freelance torture), but I don't see anyone trying to bring HIM to court.
Posted by: WM at March 22, 2006 11:21 AM (3aCNQ)
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Just another example of these fanatics thinking the stupidity of the west will accept a lame and faulty excuse as this. Odd that they didn't think he was too crazy to charge him and then request the death penalty UNTIL they found that the eyes of the world were upon them.
Even if they do indeed release Mr. Rahman we should not let up because they'll try it again.
Posted by: Oyster at March 22, 2006 11:29 AM (g9UJq)
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It always seems to bring us back to the same sticking point -- that majority Islamic nations are not ready, nor willing to accept Western style democracy.
Despite having moderate leadership, the Afghani citizens still expect, and insist that Islamic Jurisprudence prevails over democracy. They still want to beat their wives with a stick, and have them wear the burka, and expect them to be sub-servant.
Islam has no prevailing body to guide the majority of the religion, and instead has thousands of faceted religious leaders, most of which are radicalized "Firebrand" clerics, who only preside over a small percentage of Muslims. Without a single religious authority [unfortunately like the Taliban] to interpret, and lead the masses they all fall back to the last authority's rule [the Taliban] and will not change until another Islamic authority emerges to guide [/force] them to.
Posted by: davec at March 22, 2006 12:40 PM (CcXvt)
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To permit ANY departures from Islam is to pop the balloon.
Like the fall of the Berlin wall, or the failure of a dam, what seems minor is in fact a breach.
The foundation has been undermined: all may be swept away.
Posted by: blert at March 22, 2006 01:06 PM (NAB9Z)
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Dave, many of the adults are a lost cause. But the kids in Iraq, in particular, will grow into it and will likely reject the hateful ways of some of the elder's Imams. Even in Iraq this is going to take a couple generations.
Posted by: Oyster at March 22, 2006 01:38 PM (g9UJq)
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Oyster: perhaps the U.S should export some of our University professors to Iraqi, they seem experts in indoctrinating young adults in theories, and points-of-view that attack the way they have been raised and educated by their parents!
Posted by: davec at March 22, 2006 01:49 PM (CcXvt)
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Right after we send in all the menopausal women to wipe out the insurgency. Give us 2 - 3 days ... tops. We don't take prisoners.
Posted by: Oyster at March 22, 2006 02:24 PM (g9UJq)
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HA HA Islam.
next we'll deal with China's oppression of Christians as well.
Posted by: billy faeth at March 22, 2006 02:33 PM (Lc35u)
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"Doctors must examine him," he said. "If he is mentally unfit, definitely Islam has no claim to punish him. He must be forgiven. The case must be dropped."
Wow. So you need to be fully aware that you deserve death if you decide to quit Islam?
Those people ARE crazy.
- Max
Posted by: Max at March 22, 2006 02:33 PM (Ol+Ma)
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Our President is establishing democracy not freedom. This is a minor setback. With less than 15,000 tropps in Country we have no clout. These attacks on our Commander-in-Chief during a time of War only enable the enemy. Let the moonbats attack our President..my support in undiminished.
Posted by: DrewE at March 22, 2006 05:08 PM (n3umu)
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Dream on DrewE! A leader who seeks soley his own council is a dangerous man! Object lesson in progress!
Posted by: Thesaurus at March 22, 2006 06:49 PM (Y2ILH)
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You keep posting that Thesaurus. How do you explan Mr. Bush talking to Mr. Rumsfield, or Mr. Cheny, or Ms. Rice? Are they all the same person? From what you write they have to be.
Do you have any other lines? Perhaps, do not look into the sun, or you will grow hair on your palms if you keep doing that. How about if you play with fire, you might get burned.
Posted by: Leatherneck at March 22, 2006 07:42 PM (D2g/j)
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HeÒs impressed by how many people are keen to attend public talks and debates at the moment.
Posted by: avandia at May 25, 2006 03:40 AM (pSFja)
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You can read the first part of how I met NE here.
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AFA Petition In Support of Abdul Rahman
Abdul is on
Trial in Afghanistan for apostasy. His crime against Islam was he converted to Christianity. For that he faces penalties up to and including execution. Today the
AFA asks that you sign a petition that will be sent to President Bush in support of Mr. Rahman.
Please email President Bush and ask him to intervene to save the life of Abdul Rahman. Help get others involved in saving the life of this Christian who refuses to deny Christ. Please forward this to friends and family and ask them to send the emails.
Click Here to Email President Bush Now!
Sincerely,
Don
Donald E. Wildmon, Founder and Chairman
American Family Association
Now I reckon the AFA is a bit more conservative than I. But there is no denying their influence. This case I feel is one Howie can agree with. One thought I had was, under the law in Afghanistan, what happens to all AbdulÂ’s property and his immediate family if he is executed?
Update : Michelle Malkin gives us more details on Mr. Rahman and his family here.. Just what I was looking for.
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You will be brought into courts to testify ...
Posted by: Hailus at March 21, 2006 09:58 AM (Y2ILH)
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why dont you hear Amnesty Internation and A.N.S.W.E.R and the A.C.L.U out rage over this? THIS SHOULD be front page and top news
Posted by: billy faeth at March 21, 2006 11:17 AM (Lc35u)
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Not to crazy over the AFA's approach - focuses on making it a religious issue rather than concentrate on incorporating it into an argument for the fundamental principals of freedom.
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Hondo, that's why I wrote my own letter.
Posted by: Oyster at March 21, 2006 02:15 PM (g9UJq)
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Our fearless leader does not want to get involved, citing the sovereignty of Afghanistan. What a loser!
http://votetoimpeach.org
The World is my oyster! Round 'em up and rope 'em off!
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March 20, 2006
Festival of the Fatwas: "We love our troops so much that we want them to die" edition
5th Column Watch:
American Muslims Hating US Troops
Mooooooooonbat anti-war pictures: "Real patriotism is supporting those who are fighting our troops" (via Beth)
More from the "we love our troops" department: Anti-war proterster spits on soldier's pregnant wife.
Poll worth taking: What has kept Cindy Sheehan from getting her deceased son a headstone all this time?
Providing KY at own rape: Arla Foods kow-tows, Danish Imams go to the Middle East again
Moderate Muslim nation: 6,000 women face trial for 'crime' of being raped. (via Blogfather)
MSM Watch: All hot and wet over possibility of Bush impeachment.
Well, duh: After all, the first verb to learn in French is "to surrender"
Me likey Ramen noodles:
Radical Islamist protests issues fatwa against ramen noodles.
Bwahaha! Hannity nearly punches a bigot (video).\
Iraq NOT Vietnam: 2,316 dead in one month in Vietnam.
V for Vendetta: If Noam Chomsky And Osama Bin Laden Collaborated On A Movie
Not dead yet: Ted Kennedy still kicking
Bad news from Memento Moron. Our prayers are with you.
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Thank you, much appreciated.
Posted by: Brian B at March 20, 2006 11:20 AM (rGfpg)
Posted by: Rubin at March 20, 2006 12:05 PM (dK2G8)
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We not all be traitors.
Posted by: Filthy Stinking Irish Drunk at March 20, 2006 01:08 PM (D3+20)
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They must be from the ACLU by the looks of their sign. I would like to shoot that sign.
Really, I would love to.
Posted by: Leatherneck at March 20, 2006 02:48 PM (D2g/j)
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Awfully blank and unicolor, easy to doctor any message on a sign like that.
Posted by: Who cares? It's not credible, it's on the Internet. at March 20, 2006 04:27 PM (lGolT)
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who cares is not credible because why people?
Posted by: Howie at March 20, 2006 04:34 PM (D3+20)
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Mind numbing is how I would describe these bastards out there demonstrating against our troops. I don't care how these SOB's feel about the war, surely they understand that our troops have NO CHOICE but to go to Iraq when they are ORDERED to by whoever is elected. The troops do not decide, you dumb asses, get off their case!
/rant over
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 20, 2006 04:49 PM (rUyw4)
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Dozens of signs, banners, t-shirts, literature, you name it, all over the place some worse, some just as stupid or bad and we get Mr. "Who cares? It's not credible" spouting off some inane comment about one sign. Even though there were at least two other signs there that said the same thing yet were different.
So I guess he won't mind if I say,
"Who cares? You're not credible, you're on the Internet."
Is it just me or does it look like someone PhotoShopped his comment in here?
Posted by: Oyster at March 20, 2006 05:14 PM (YudAC)
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What a weak comment from the visiting leftard. They really are pathetic.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 20, 2006 05:42 PM (0yYS2)
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Who will protect the lefturds if Islam has it's way? I get it, they will convert quickly.
Posted by: Leatherneck at March 20, 2006 06:27 PM (D2g/j)
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Bunch of roten crap faced reptiles WHERES MY PHASER im setting it on DISINTIGRATE
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Christian Man on Trial, Facing Death for Converting from Islam.
Yes our good ally Afghanistan still has a long way to go before it could be called a free nation.
VOA News : Rahman reportedly converted more than 16 years ago after spending time working in Germany. Officials say his family, who remain observant Muslims, turned him over to the authorities. On Thursday the prosecution told the court Rahman has rejected numerous offers to embrace Islam. Prosecuting attorney Abdul Wasi told the judge that the punishment should fit the crime.
He says Rahman is a traitor to Islam and is like a cancer inside Afghanistan. Under Islamic law and under the Afghan constitution, he says, the defendant should be executed.
This man should be freed immediately. ROPMA! I thought Islam teaches Jesus is cool? They are always talking up how much they respect Jesus Christ. Yeah right, they respect him so much they execute Christians!
Hat Tip : Michelle Malkin.
Also see Below the Beltway.
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Some crime huh! And the potential punishment!
There is more to this story than is available at this time. The guy can easily do a phony "convert back" or emmigrate.
Either someone(s) is looking to challenge the norm head on - or the guy's looking for a free ticket to the USA.
Give it time - let it play out some more before jumping all over this. No way a death sentence - let alone one carried out.
Posted by: hondo at March 19, 2006 09:28 PM (9pQ6D)
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Oh! BTW
There is a significant secular Afghan minority - both in country and ex-pats. They are looking for a way to become influential again - we keep them at arms length due to the contested chaotic nature of the local "environment".
They have one big edge - they are the ones who know not only how to screw in a lightbulb - but where the electricity comes from.
Posted by: hondo at March 19, 2006 09:35 PM (9pQ6D)
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Doesn't matter, hondo, don't you see the injustice in all this? Even the so-called "moderate" Islamic states are stuck in the dark ages. From jailing Christian women in Indonesia to beheading Christian schoolgirls in Malaysia to putting a Christian man on trial in Afghanistan, what in the world can we ever expect out of these countries? Islam is so backward, how can we ever expect these people to be anything but barbarians? Until Islam is completely remade, these people are a danger to the entire World.
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 19, 2006 09:47 PM (rUyw4)
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I suppose now all those "tollerant muslims" in the west who were so offedned by the insensitivity of the Danish cartoons will march in streets defending this poor guys freedom of religion.
Posted by: mr at March 19, 2006 10:23 PM (NEluQ)
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This guy isn't going to get executed. This will be a matter for the U.S State department, I cannot imagine for one minute the U.S is going to allow Afghanistan to become the Khalif again, nor allow a man to be executed for his religion.
Posted by: davec at March 19, 2006 11:04 PM (CcXvt)
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JJ
Like I said - give it time - there is clearly a confrontational aspect to this which a lot of muslims don't want.
Posted by: hondo at March 19, 2006 11:15 PM (9pQ6D)
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It is the religion of peace until they get their numbers up. What news will Monday morning bring about Islam?
Posted by: Leatherneck at March 19, 2006 11:52 PM (UC6hS)
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I don't agree hondo. I think that there's nothing more to this case - except perhaps that it will turn out that he's being falsely accused for some reason. We hear about cases like this almost every day from all over the islamic world. I'd bet that for every case that does get publicity there are 10 others that no one hears about. If this kind of thing was unprecedented, this afghan case would seem more like someone challenging the system and trying to stick it to the man - but it's not. It's far too common. As for trying to get a ticket to the US. Their are far easier ways of doing that than settting yourself up for a death sentence and hoping the US government comes to your aid - something I seriously doubt will happen if this goes through. Look at the case of Ali Mohaqiq Nasab, the editor of an afghan womens magazine who was recently given 2 years in prison for blasphemy. His crime:
"....for reprinting articles by an Iranian scholar criticising the stoning of Muslims who convert to another religion and the use of corporal punishment for persons accused of such offences as adultery."
This case, because it involved a journalist received a lot of attention, but it did nothing to keep him out of prison.
Posted by: Graeme at March 20, 2006 05:14 AM (DTJmx)
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Graeme, Christians and opponents of sharia are being persecuted in so-called moderate countries like Indonesia and Malaysia, and look what is happening to the believers of another religion in southern Thailand, where they are under constant attack by radicals protected by Malaysia. The oil money of Saudi Arabia and the others in the Gulf is spreading Salaficism worldwide, even to countries that were at one time moderate. Africa is likely to be the next big battleground, with more bloodshed and refugees the result.
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 20, 2006 05:24 AM (rUyw4)
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Meanwhile, there is no comment as yet from President Bush, as there isn't room up some arab prince's ass for a microphone, what with Bush's head so deeply embedded and all.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 20, 2006 05:46 AM (0yYS2)
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It has been 2 days since the story broke and I have yet to hear a word from the liberal President I voted for in 04?! How very sad my President has no ba-ls! Or does he support the MuslimFascists as his 2/10 statement supporting them and condemning the Danes indicated?
Left winger that he is Bush is still less to the left than JFK. Just barely.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at March 20, 2006 06:56 AM (XRaMW)
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It's important to note the court's offer to this man to convert to islam again. It's doesn't matter whether he embraces any of the beliefs of the religion, just go through the motions - act and dress like a muslim, say you're a muslim - or you die. Just to head off the likely argument of **whiney lefty voice**: "But Christian missionaries forcibly coverted and killed many natives during Europe's colonisation of the New World." Very true. That was wrong, but it was 600 years ago when the world was a chaotic place and many bad things were happening. Times have changed, people have changed, the world has changed, but islam stays the same.
Posted by: Graeme at March 20, 2006 07:31 AM (DTJmx)
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FYI: All four branches of Islamic jurisprudence call for the death penalty for apostasy.
For his sake, I hope he reconverts.
Posted by: Pigilito at March 20, 2006 07:34 AM (BVW7O)
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One way to identify a cult nomally is that, "You can check out any time you like but you can never leave".
Posted by: Howie at March 20, 2006 08:31 AM (D3+20)
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Islam, the Religion of Submission.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 20, 2006 10:45 AM (8e/V4)
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Hondo, if he's in jail, he can't immigrate. If he' a real Christian, he won't renounce it to save his life. There's a reason the word "martyr" originally meant "witness"--it's a chance to see the devotion of real Christians. In this case it's also a chance to see the weakness Moslems have in their faith that they have to use force to try to keep people from leaving it.
Posted by: Danny Carlton at March 20, 2006 11:36 AM (simmk)
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This is little available on this particular case - odd considering its coming out of Afghanistan.
This has a staged feel to it - a challenge to some of the concepts behind Sharia Law.
What better place to challenge a concept of law that is a popular instrument of the Taliban and radical islam - and generally accepted without much thought by rural populations than Afghanistan?
Wait for more info on this one.
Posted by: hondo at March 20, 2006 02:00 PM (9pQ6D)
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but not all muslims are killing christians!!!
Posted by: moonbat tool at March 20, 2006 03:53 PM (8e/V4)
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But, all who are killing Christians are Muslims
Posted by: Chimp Alert at March 20, 2006 06:45 PM (08tHr)
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And, all who are silent are Muslims.
Posted by: Chimp Alert at March 20, 2006 06:47 PM (08tHr)
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By extension of that logic, all who are killing Muslims are Christians and Jews.
The world really hasn't changed as much since the time of the forcible conversions of the natives at the hands of European missionaries as some who have posted prior would asert.
And to ward off the argument of "Muslims also kill Muslims, not just Christians and Jews", I'll conceed that this is true....however, Christians are just as guilty of killing their own as the Muslims are (Ireland, anyone?).
Posted by: null at March 20, 2006 07:44 PM (HzeXb)
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 20, 2006 07:48 PM (rUyw4)
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You're a moonbat, moonbat too. Dr. Savage said, you have a disorder. Do you take meds? Have you taken yours today?
These above stated people are using facts to tell you something, and it is you who is not using logic in your argument.
Posted by: Leatherneck at March 20, 2006 08:29 PM (D2g/j)
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The roman empires not dead its reborn in the middle east
Posted by: sandpiper at March 20, 2006 08:49 PM (JtcRt)
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Try this premise on for size.
All the Chimps who are sawing off the heads of living captives are Muslims. They also stone women (not men) for adultery and cut out people's tongues.
Please go to michaelsavage.com to witness the beheading of Mr. Armstrong. Then join those "peaceful" "loving" morons in their religion that was created by a warlord as a strategic device to get Arab fools to kill themselves in battle.
Posted by: Chimp Alert at March 22, 2006 05:17 PM (JD/cE)
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Hey wheres AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL? wheres the ACLU? wheres all those human rights wussies that are always showing up wheres all those cancle lighting fools who are always showing up when a exicution takes place?
Posted by: sandpiper at March 23, 2006 09:52 AM (1LUQw)
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March 18, 2006
Rules on Fatwas
Simply put, fatwas, or Islamic legal pronouncements, are confusing to many people. Understandably, non-Muslims have a general unfamiliarity with fatwas, but it's somewhat surprising that Muslims also have frequent questions about fatwas. Islamic scholars called muftis
issue fatwas but there's no coordination among the muftis, so it's not uncommon for contradictory fatwas to be issued.
Consequently, the editors at Arab News decided to address the subject of fatwas to clear up any misunderstanding.
Nobody's fatwas or rulings are binding on all Muslims. A fatwa is binding only to the scholar issuing it. It is he who considered a particular case, looked into all the relevant evidence and formulated his ruling on the basis of his research and study that is committed to it. If I give you a ruling saying, for example, that music is not forbidden, while you read in Dar Al-Ifta's publications or on their website that it is forbidden, you need to look into the evidence supporting each of the two views. Neither ruling is binding on you, but my ruling is binding on me, and the Dar Al-Ifta's ruling is binding on the scholars who issued it. [Note: Dar Al-Ifta is an Islamic authority for issuing religious edicts, but it does not oversee all edicts. There is more than one Dar Al-Ifta.]
What should be the position of a person who cannot distinguish the validity of evidence, or does not understand the intricacies involved in arriving at a ruling? The answer is that he should simply follow a scholar whom he trusts to be sincere, honest, and would not compromise his religious standpoint in order to please any human being.
Got all that?
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It's unfortunate we have to share the planet with these nutjobs.
Posted by: Richard at March 18, 2006 09:24 AM (7KF8r)
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Unfortunate, yes. But you must admit, they are darn fun to photoshop! *giggling over my latest pic of the Iranian Pez climbing into the well*
Posted by: Princess Kimberley at March 18, 2006 09:30 AM (9xjdU)
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Nothing else in islam makes sense. Why should fatwa protocol be any different.
Posted by: Graeme at March 18, 2006 11:05 AM (aliJQ)
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I'm not sure if this makes it easier or harder to get my fatwa.
My new strategery: Maybe instead of trying to insult the whole religion, I'll focus instead on insulting a particular mufti.
Posted by: Rusty at March 18, 2006 12:39 PM (JQjhA)
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Now you're getting somewhere, Rusty! And I'm praying you get your fatwa very, very soon. And a fatwa you would be proud of, too.
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 18, 2006 12:54 PM (rUyw4)
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I focus on trying to offend Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with pics like this... (NSFW... well, it's just his bum bum) He sure has a thing for that dead guy in the well.
http://static.flickr.com/54/114114601_9b563aff07.jpg
Which mufti shall you insult? And please add pictoral goodness!
Posted by: Princess Kimberley at March 18, 2006 01:05 PM (9xjdU)
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In other words, the whole concept of fatwas is just a free-for-all.
Posted by: Oyster at March 19, 2006 07:32 AM (YudAC)
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