Yes our good ally Afghanistan still has a long way to go before it could be called a free nation.
This man should be freed immediately. ROPMA! I thought Islam teaches Jesus is cool? They are always talking up how much they respect Jesus Christ. Yeah right, they respect him so much they execute Christians!
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Some crime huh! And the potential punishment!
There is more to this story than is available at this time. The guy can easily do a phony "convert back" or emmigrate.
Either someone(s) is looking to challenge the norm head on - or the guy's looking for a free ticket to the USA.
Give it time - let it play out some more before jumping all over this. No way a death sentence - let alone one carried out.
Posted by: hondo at March 19, 2006 09:28 PM (9pQ6D)
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Oh! BTW
There is a significant secular Afghan minority - both in country and ex-pats. They are looking for a way to become influential again - we keep them at arms length due to the contested chaotic nature of the local "environment".
They have one big edge - they are the ones who know not only how to screw in a lightbulb - but where the electricity comes from.
Posted by: hondo at March 19, 2006 09:35 PM (9pQ6D)
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Doesn't matter, hondo, don't you see the injustice in all this? Even the so-called "moderate" Islamic states are stuck in the dark ages. From jailing Christian women in Indonesia to beheading Christian schoolgirls in Malaysia to putting a Christian man on trial in Afghanistan, what in the world can we ever expect out of these countries? Islam is so backward, how can we ever expect these people to be anything but barbarians? Until Islam is completely remade, these people are a danger to the entire World.
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 19, 2006 09:47 PM (rUyw4)
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I suppose now all those "tollerant muslims" in the west who were so offedned by the insensitivity of the Danish cartoons will march in streets defending this poor guys freedom of religion.
Posted by: mr at March 19, 2006 10:23 PM (NEluQ)
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This guy isn't going to get executed. This will be a matter for the U.S State department, I cannot imagine for one minute the U.S is going to allow Afghanistan to become the Khalif again, nor allow a man to be executed for his religion.
Posted by: davec at March 19, 2006 11:04 PM (CcXvt)
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JJ
Like I said - give it time - there is clearly a confrontational aspect to this which a lot of muslims don't want.
Posted by: hondo at March 19, 2006 11:15 PM (9pQ6D)
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It is the religion of peace until they get their numbers up. What news will Monday morning bring about Islam?
Posted by: Leatherneck at March 19, 2006 11:52 PM (UC6hS)
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I don't agree hondo. I think that there's nothing more to this case - except perhaps that it will turn out that he's being falsely accused for some reason. We hear about cases like this almost every day from all over the islamic world. I'd bet that for every case that does get publicity there are 10 others that no one hears about. If this kind of thing was unprecedented, this afghan case would seem more like someone challenging the system and trying to stick it to the man - but it's not. It's far too common. As for trying to get a ticket to the US. Their are far easier ways of doing that than settting yourself up for a death sentence and hoping the US government comes to your aid - something I seriously doubt will happen if this goes through. Look at the case of Ali Mohaqiq Nasab, the editor of an afghan womens magazine who was recently given 2 years in prison for blasphemy. His crime:
"....for reprinting articles by an Iranian scholar criticising the stoning of Muslims who convert to another religion and the use of corporal punishment for persons accused of such offences as adultery."
This case, because it involved a journalist received a lot of attention, but it did nothing to keep him out of prison.
Posted by: Graeme at March 20, 2006 05:14 AM (DTJmx)
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Graeme, Christians and opponents of sharia are being persecuted in so-called moderate countries like Indonesia and Malaysia, and look what is happening to the believers of another religion in southern Thailand, where they are under constant attack by radicals protected by Malaysia. The oil money of Saudi Arabia and the others in the Gulf is spreading Salaficism worldwide, even to countries that were at one time moderate. Africa is likely to be the next big battleground, with more bloodshed and refugees the result.
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 20, 2006 05:24 AM (rUyw4)
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Meanwhile, there is no comment as yet from President Bush, as there isn't room up some arab prince's ass for a microphone, what with Bush's head so deeply embedded and all.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 20, 2006 05:46 AM (0yYS2)
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It has been 2 days since the story broke and I have yet to hear a word from the liberal President I voted for in 04?! How very sad my President has no ba-ls! Or does he support the MuslimFascists as his 2/10 statement supporting them and condemning the Danes indicated?
Left winger that he is Bush is still less to the left than JFK. Just barely.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at March 20, 2006 06:56 AM (XRaMW)
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It's important to note the court's offer to this man to convert to islam again. It's doesn't matter whether he embraces any of the beliefs of the religion, just go through the motions - act and dress like a muslim, say you're a muslim - or you die. Just to head off the likely argument of **whiney lefty voice**: "But Christian missionaries forcibly coverted and killed many natives during Europe's colonisation of the New World." Very true. That was wrong, but it was 600 years ago when the world was a chaotic place and many bad things were happening. Times have changed, people have changed, the world has changed, but islam stays the same.
Posted by: Graeme at March 20, 2006 07:31 AM (DTJmx)
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FYI: All four branches of Islamic jurisprudence call for the death penalty for apostasy.
For his sake, I hope he reconverts.
Posted by: Pigilito at March 20, 2006 07:34 AM (BVW7O)
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One way to identify a cult nomally is that, "You can check out any time you like but you can never leave".
Posted by: Howie at March 20, 2006 08:31 AM (D3+20)
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Islam, the Religion of Submission.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 20, 2006 10:45 AM (8e/V4)
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Hondo, if he's in jail, he can't immigrate. If he' a real Christian, he won't renounce it to save his life. There's a reason the word "martyr" originally meant "witness"--it's a chance to see the devotion of real Christians. In this case it's also a chance to see the weakness Moslems have in their faith that they have to use force to try to keep people from leaving it.
Posted by: Danny Carlton at March 20, 2006 11:36 AM (simmk)
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This is little available on this particular case - odd considering its coming out of Afghanistan.
This has a staged feel to it - a challenge to some of the concepts behind Sharia Law.
What better place to challenge a concept of law that is a popular instrument of the Taliban and radical islam - and generally accepted without much thought by rural populations than Afghanistan?
Wait for more info on this one.
Posted by: hondo at March 20, 2006 02:00 PM (9pQ6D)
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but not all muslims are killing christians!!!
Posted by: moonbat tool at March 20, 2006 03:53 PM (8e/V4)
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But, all who are killing Christians are Muslims
Posted by: Chimp Alert at March 20, 2006 06:45 PM (08tHr)
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And, all who are silent are Muslims.
Posted by: Chimp Alert at March 20, 2006 06:47 PM (08tHr)
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By extension of that logic, all who are killing Muslims are Christians and Jews.
The world really hasn't changed as much since the time of the forcible conversions of the natives at the hands of European missionaries as some who have posted prior would asert.
And to ward off the argument of "Muslims also kill Muslims, not just Christians and Jews", I'll conceed that this is true....however, Christians are just as guilty of killing their own as the Muslims are (Ireland, anyone?).
Posted by: null at March 20, 2006 07:44 PM (HzeXb)
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 20, 2006 07:48 PM (rUyw4)
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You're a moonbat, moonbat too. Dr. Savage said, you have a disorder. Do you take meds? Have you taken yours today?
These above stated people are using facts to tell you something, and it is you who is not using logic in your argument.
Posted by: Leatherneck at March 20, 2006 08:29 PM (D2g/j)
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The roman empires not dead its reborn in the middle east
Posted by: sandpiper at March 20, 2006 08:49 PM (JtcRt)
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Try this premise on for size.
All the Chimps who are sawing off the heads of living captives are Muslims. They also stone women (not men) for adultery and cut out people's tongues.
Please go to michaelsavage.com to witness the beheading of Mr. Armstrong. Then join those "peaceful" "loving" morons in their religion that was created by a warlord as a strategic device to get Arab fools to kill themselves in battle.
Posted by: Chimp Alert at March 22, 2006 05:17 PM (JD/cE)
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Hey wheres AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL? wheres the ACLU? wheres all those human rights wussies that are always showing up wheres all those cancle lighting fools who are always showing up when a exicution takes place?
Posted by: sandpiper at March 23, 2006 09:52 AM (1LUQw)
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