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June 06, 2005

Natalee Holloway

Red at Scared Monkeys is following the story closely. Updates will be posted here.

Me? I'm not so interested although this is clearly a tragic story. But there are millions of tragic stories that could be told on any given day. I can't help but wondering if this would be the lead story if Natalee wasn't a gorgeous blonde? I'm serious. In my book this is the lead story for a local TV station at best. There is no reason this ought to be the lead at CNN and Fox. More evidence of the vast gynocratic conspiracy and the Oprahization of the news.......

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1 Whenever a hot white chic goes missing it's going to be news. I feel for her and her family, but seriously, this isn't news.

Posted by: Carlos at June 06, 2005 10:29 AM (UWO6N)

2 I say it's news if it helps spread the word to parents and will thus stop them from allowing their kids to travel to places where they can legally drink and get hit on by predatory scum. I know there are "bigger" things going on, but if this were my daughter, I'd want this on all the papers, even though it would not be rational for me to want this.

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 06, 2005 10:45 AM (x+5JB)

3 I read four stories this morning about her, and they didn't even bother to circulate her picture on the story .

Posted by: dave at June 06, 2005 12:36 PM (fsJ2z)

4 There were 30 adults on this trip with the kids that signed on as chapperones. I guess they f-d up. Odds are the 2 guards under arrest, raped her and then slaughtered her. But, since she is an infidel, that should be okay with the liberals.

Posted by: Filthy Allah at June 06, 2005 01:22 PM (yBHNA)

5 This is Natalee, She is the beautiful young woman from the Midwest, who has recently gone missing in Aruba. Im sure you all know the story by now. But what people miss or dont think about is the STUPID fucking mistake she made in all this. Her problem started the minute this 18 year old got wasted at the bar. Honey you are 18, you aren't even suppose to be drinking. I'm Assuming, since she is a straight A student ready to go college on a full academic scholarship, that she was not really a party girl. So why be one in a foreign country around COMPLETE strangers from that foreign country. Which brings me to her second STUPID mistake, getting in a CAR with said strangers instead of going home like everyone else. I mean come on already.. Didn't your mother ever tell you not to go off with strangers. She is a smart girl, right? Wrong. She made the stupid decision to go off, with strangers, in a strange country, alone. Which brings me to the third and last reason she is STUPID. Why on earth would an 18 year old separate from her girl friends on her last night of a "school" trip. WHY LEAVE THEM??? Where was her best friend to say "No, goddamn it Natalee, your fucked up, and your coming with me - BACK TO OUR HOTEL". I dont get it. It was her last night on the island with her best friends in the world, a normal person would enjot that with friends. Didn't she have enough fun the previous 4 nights? She had to push it, she made stupid mistakes and now she has paid the ultimate price for those mistakes. In life there are learning mistakes, and life ending mistakes, a smart person knows which ones to make. A stupid person, well you know the answer to that one. In my mind I feel sorry for her parents. Not because they are ready to lose a child, but because they are going to bear the burden of knowing that they raised a STUPID child, who made 3 STUPID mistakes that wound up getting her killed. I know what you are thinking, aside from hating me, just think about the three stupid ass things she did and what it adds up to; 1. Get hammered in a foreign country at 18. + 2. Going off with 3 strange young men, drunk. + 3. Leaving her secure group of friends / safety in numbers... = Waste/Death of a beautiful life.

Posted by: TUCKERMAXX at June 08, 2005 12:12 PM (BPNUY)

6 I know Natalee.I live in Birmingham,Alabama,and have gone to school with her for 6 years.She is a grade above me.I know that it is hard to understand why this is headline news,but you have to think about all the people that knew her.This is headline news to us.We want everyone to know about this.Natalee and her family need all the prayers that they can get.Please think about that before you make comments like you have.Please continue to pray for her, her family, and this community.And think about if it was one of your own.

Posted by: It doesn't matter at June 08, 2005 01:53 PM (JdXGB)

7 at first..they said... 40-30 chaperones went w/ them...but on the last cnn page they had on her..hm on June 6 i think...they said 7 chaperones went w/ them. well, y dont they talk about how FUCKING STOOOOOPET the school/parents are for letting 124 people at the peak of when their hormones are like sea monkeys at birth be chaperoned by only 7 people. If the news really comes down to this..i rather them talk about sea monkeys

Posted by: woot at June 08, 2005 02:47 PM (Zkpgn)

8 Why are people only criticizing? All they can say is how stupid Natalee must be. What about the pieces of shit that are responsible for her disappearance? Are they not to be held accountable? I suppose they are the intellegent and learned ones. This story and the story about Amy Bradley make me feel sick. In a righteous and fair world, Natalee could hang out with and go off with whomever she wanted without being harmed. We don't live in a world like that-a fact every 18 year old bears in mind at all times, of course,-and this poor young woman unfortunately has to be a reminder of why we can't trust. Don't blame only her for her dissapearance. People like Natalee are not what is wrong with the world. Peace, Catalina

Posted by: Catalina at June 08, 2005 03:13 PM (wiWns)

9 This girl is most likely dead! In my mind things are not adding up. I think the two dam security guards are being framed and that the country of aruba is covering up the three persons of intrest. Because one of them has a father who is a chief justice. having traveled to venezuela do not rule out the possibility of her being sold to a prostitution ring it could have happened. If we should be mad at anyone we should be upset with our media for censoring the whole dam thing. 2. we should be upset with aruba for trying to cover the whole dam thing up and having us run around in cirles. 3. we should be the most upset with her friends for letter her go. if shes dumb fine but i doubt that all her friends are. they are going to have to live with some deep guilt for a long time. god blees Natalee go with god may you find peace. oh bye the way did i stumble on to a democrat website? if i did oops "W" is the man and we won fair and square so quit bickering and lets all unite to make this country a better place.

Posted by: atlas at June 08, 2005 04:13 PM (KYq/a)

10 It is not true that one of the guys has a father who is a chief justice. The 3 gents are the sons of an auto dealer and a car rental owner.

Posted by: concerned at June 08, 2005 04:53 PM (8kOnq)

11 "did i stumble on to a democrat website" Bite your tongue, atlas.

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 08, 2005 04:53 PM (skAE7)

12 As I mentioned, this ought to be headline news at the LOCAL LEVEL, but not at the NATIONAL level. The criticism is one of importance of stories.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at June 08, 2005 04:57 PM (JQjhA)

13 Catalina, I agree with you. The whole situation seems like a coverup for the three "people of interest". They were confirmed the last people seen with her by many independent (and not bribed or coerced) witnesses. I heard rumors that they admitted to having "consensual sex" with her. Other than the political power of their parents and friends, why are they not being held? Why are they not being questioned by the US FBI about the consistency of their story? I believe they are responsible, but the media is only presented Aruba's official story that the security guards are responsible. Instead, they focus on two security guards that were probably framed.

Posted by: Jerry at June 08, 2005 06:20 PM (kPrmk)

14 You people have alot of problems!!! How could you put down a beautiful person that is scared to death right now possible not even with us? Yes she had a few drinks on her senior trip after graduating with honors, no she should not have gotten in the car with strangers. But everyone makes mistakes, its just sad that this one could have cost a beautiful young woman her life. I'm sure that you poeple that choose to blame Natalee have all made mistakes in your own lives but been lucky enough to have everything work out. I don't belive anyone should be judging her. If you want to put some one down, put the horrible people down that has done this to this girl. They are discusting and do not desearve to have another day of freedom in their pathetic lives. Pray for Natalee and the sad people who write the bad things about her.

Posted by: candace at June 08, 2005 06:30 PM (k7FD0)

15 You people have alot of problems!!! How could you put down a beautiful person that is scared to death right now possible not even with us? Yes she had a few drinks on her senior trip after graduating with honors, no she should not have gotten in the car with strangers. But everyone makes mistakes, its just sad that this one could have cost a beautiful young woman her life. I'm sure that you poeple that choose to blame Natalee have all made mistakes in your own lives but been lucky enough to have everything work out. I don't belive anyone should be judging her. If you want to put some one down, put the horrible people down that has done this to this girl. They are discusting and do not desearve to have another day of freedom in their pathetic lives. Pray for Natalee and the sad people who write the bad things about her.

Posted by: candace at June 08, 2005 06:30 PM (k7FD0)

16 god speed Nat...lets take aruba from the dutch...they smoke too much pot anyways....be a nice place for an airstrike.

Posted by: ManOMan_W_is_the_man at June 08, 2005 07:27 PM (l5WjC)

17 Man, people can be harsh! As the father of a 21 year old daughter, I can only imagine what Natalee's family and friends are going through. I sure hope that her family does not read some of this crap.

Posted by: Honus at June 08, 2005 07:49 PM (E+6l3)

18 to candace, i hpe you never go to aruba. i hope that those who blame aruba never come to the island. if you think that you can bitch about a place you have never been to, then you are a fool! aruba is a safe place, but wake up! no place is 100% safe. use common sense when travelling. sadly things happen to tourists in many countries. sadly some pay for these crimes with their lives. if you want to saty in a place thts always safe. then make a bunker and stay in it!

Posted by: chichi at June 08, 2005 09:54 PM (gLEUh)

19 If you read the papers and listen to the news, carefully, you will have heard that one of the first three men is the son of a former chief justice of Holland and the family lives on the island. Also, these graduates are adults - remember - 18 years of age you are considered an adult and can make your own decisions. However, I agree with several people here - she was abducted from the bar by people who knew what they were doing and contrived to take her most likely by spiking her drink with the date rape drug and possibly gathering around her and dancing or walking near one of the entrances and then just casually walking her out. Watch movies - it isn't too hard to do this. Also, why haven't bloodhounds been brought to the island to search? They have the most amazing noses of all dogs and have been used in many cases to find people. They can track scents for up to a month and even after rain. Why did the divers not go into the water to look for her? Is it because someone knows something and there is no reason for them to dive because she isn't there? Why are two other men being held without having a motive and why are not all five being held as three others admit that they were with her? Most importantly, what happened to the other 14 women who have disappeared from Aruba since 1998 and have never been found? Makes one wonder if they are alive and enslaved somewhere - if there's a serial killer operating on the island - there is always sodium pentathol and it should be used to find out if anyone of these five know anything - however, I'm sure this would be considered a violation of their rights - never mind that Natalee had rights that I'm sure have been violated since she is either passed on or being kept against her will. Those of you who have never traveled internationally need to realize that outside the U.S., there is no such thing as civil rights as you know it here - also, travel outside of the U.S. is dangerous at this point in time - people from other countries hate Americans. Also, there are white slavery rings and prostitution rings in many other countries including European and South American nations - they love pretty young blonds. I think that our government should get involved - like the president or vice president - this should never be let go until she is found - they have leverage and they need to use it. The island of Aruba should be made persona non grata and Americans should not be allowed to travel there until she is brought back or someone admits where she is. I'm sure many of you think I'm nuts and that this is drastic, however, if it was you, your daughter, mother, sister, family - you would do anything that you could possibly think of to find out what happened to Natalee. I guess those of you who think this isn't news that we in the U.S. should be worried about, have never lost anyone you loved or don't care if you do. The parents and family should not let this go - be like Lacey Peterson's family and keep this as front page news for as long as possible. The only thing Natalee is guilty of is wanting to have a good time and celebrate her graduation along with her other classmates - she is not stupid, just not informed. Also, the next class that decides to go on a senior trip should research what kind of place they are going to. If people can kidnap a kid on an island this small - you can steal gold while you're at it. The police and the government know very well what's going on and very likely are paying lip service to this poor family so they'll just eventually go away. Yes, there is crime everywhere, but in a place this small you can bet your boots that several someones know exactly where she is.

Posted by: Linda at June 08, 2005 10:59 PM (A5xMl)

20 Hey guys...Rather than judging Natalee, her family, her friends, the school, and the chaperones, why can't we just pray for Natalee and her family right now. Think of what it would be like if you, your little sister, or your daughter were Natalee. Regardless who made the mistakes here, can't we just pray for her safety & closure to this case. I agree with Honus...I would hate for her family to read some of the mean and crappy things that have been said here. Peace, Valerie

Posted by: Valerie at June 08, 2005 11:25 PM (ZvV7K)

21 Good evening from south Alabama. I would like to first address those of you who are blaming Natalee for all of those "stupid" decisions she made, and also, those of you who blame her family, friends, school, or community for this tragic ordeal. Is it that you can only find fault with those who are suffering? Or a strange place perhaps? Are you so naive to believe that if you are on the straight and narrow at all times in your life and in your hometown you will be problem and tragedy free? Seriously?? May all of you thank God above (or your lucky stars, if you prefer) that Natalee wasn't a part of your immediate family, or under your watchful eye, and Americans aren't writing horrible things on a random website about your decisions that led to this tragedy. Next... Not that this necessarily matters for anything, but I believe that some of you are due for a geography lesson. Birmingham, Al has neighboring smaller cities. Mountainbrook, Brookwood, and Vestavia Hills, are examples to name a few. Birmingham is located nearly 250 miles away (that's a personal estimate) from Atlanta, Ga. CNN Headquarters is in Atlanta, GA (were none of you wondering before why the courthouse shooting in Atlanta was such a big deal on the news, did you not relate that)? Anyhow, hopefully some of you will understand, Atlanta is pretty local to B'ham. To put it in perspective, I live the same distance from B'ham and Atlanta and it was on my local news, prior to being national headlines. It's very much local news to them. Also, for those of you who use that word "stupid" a lot, Birmingham, Al (Mountainbrook to be more specific) is in the SOUTH, not Midwest. I have no doubt that you, unlike "stupid" Natalee didn't have a full academic scholarship to a well-respected university. Another thing that readers may not understand is southern culture, but that's a whole different 'bag of worms' as they say. I do not make habit of posting attacks on personal opinions, but after stumbling onto this site, I could not go without comment. My prayers and thoughts are with dear Natalee and her loved ones. May we all be blessed enough to never endure such an ordeal in our lives. For any of Natalee's loved ones so unfortunate to read these brutal postings, my sincere condolences. Lynn

Posted by: Lynn at June 09, 2005 12:34 AM (ywZa8)

22 umm... i really hope you're joking when you blame the drivel that passes for news lately on the "vast gynocratic conspiracy." because as we all know, women own all the media outlets, and women are the ones obsessed with 18 year old hot blondes ::rolls eyes:: sex and violence... yeah, it's really the women and not the men who love to see that on tv... in reality this a horny-teenage-boy-ization of tv rather than an oprah-ization

Posted by: doesn't matter at June 09, 2005 01:14 AM (6krEN)

23 Oh my. . . it is a sad day in our world when people can't muster up any compassion but only spew crap. I am from Birmingham, AL and I work about 10 minutes from Natalee's hometown. Our city is covered with yellow ribbons for Natalee. There are prayer vigils and candle light servies being conducted by students and youth ministers across the state. Whether or not you agree with Natalee's decision to get intoxicated at a bar and go off with 3 men. . .nothing, I SAID NOTHING!. . .gives anybody the right to rape and/or murder. It is again God's law, it is against American law and it is against Dutch law. If any of the men being held are found to have harmed her, raped her, and God forbid killed her, they should be punished and that, my friends, is that. She was not stupid, just a kid without the needed supervision. She was growing up too fast and it is a very, very sad situation. Pray for her soul.

Posted by: Kelly at June 09, 2005 07:56 AM (jOx/z)

24 Well said Kelly! I'm glad that there are people like you looking at the big picture. Noboby has the right to rape and/or murder anyone. Lets hope somehow/someway she is still alive & ok.

Posted by: Hyro at June 09, 2005 09:53 AM (UrSTy)

25 Negativity is useless. How horrible it is that her family and friends will hear or read these useless opinions about someone that they love that has been violated and is still lost. Be supportive or simply shut up. Those of you with hurtful opinions are narcisistic and I bet you will have to go look that word up. Learn to use words that are positive, profound and powerful. Things happen for a reason. Maybe the publicity will help to find her or find Amy Bradley, another girl kidnapped 7 years ago from the same area. This case has become big news because there is obviously a serious problem that needs to be addressed. Prayers to the family.

Posted by: Pips at June 09, 2005 10:58 AM (e1lrv)

26 I can't believe someone can take pleasure in other peoples pain, by writing such hurtful things about this young girl. Our whole state and the rest of the world is hoping and praying for Natalees safe return. It kills me to drive through Birmingham seeing the yellow ribbons and writing on peoples cars and not being able to do any thing about it. Please pray for Natalee and her family. Also pray for all of the kids and chaperones that had been on the trip. I know they are having an extremely difficult time. B'ham, AL Meg

Posted by: Meg at June 09, 2005 01:34 PM (pBZZ9)

27 No one said Natalee was kidnapped , rape or murderd!!She is missing.People oughta stop thinkin negative and think possitive. There is still no evidence of these crimes!.Aruba doesn't have record of these things happening.We are an island with low crimes.Many tourists come here especialy americans.people oughta stop saying wrong stuff.And all the 5 suspects are not even aruban. They live here but their nationality is from another country. And about the club she went .Trust me shit happends in their. people drinking and getting high. What would a 18 year old doing in there anyway? If they say she is a good girl , then why be in such a place? I even heard rumours she went missing already on another island before.i just hope they find her.Because the media is only damaging our island. saying negative stuff. I would never critisize America. Please don't do it with us.

Posted by: Geri at June 09, 2005 02:19 PM (xw2Zj)

28 No surprise they went back to the original three that "admitted" being with her that evening. It is a tragic thing that happened but prepare yourself for the outcome. Most likely Natalee, a very kind, innocent, outstanding young person befriended some, perhaps innocent, young locals. It was her last night on a beautiful island paradise and they convinced her she should go for a look/swim at the beautiful paradise beach. Not sure what happened after that BUT, it could have been an innocent night swim... Natalee went under, the boys get scared that an American girl is dead... the cover up begins. Expect the Aruban Police and the FBI to offer up a joint press conference calling this a tragic accident.

Posted by: Nick at June 09, 2005 02:27 PM (zJKGb)

29 U people have no idea what u are talking about. U're thinking negative. We in Aruba are praying, & searching nonstop to find that kid. What is happing is affecting all of us here. Shit like this never happend here before. The other girl that went missing wasn't here, but in Curacao. Sorry to say. The news that they are transmitting there, are saying some bad shit about us. We are NOT a drug cartel. We are battling the drug problems that we have here with everything we got. We can't help it that AMERICAN TOURIST know where to buy drugs here before they get off the plain. Reason 1 why there is drugs here. We are a very SAFE PLACE. We don't have so many reppeat guest for nothing. We can't help if the girl got drunk had indiscrimaniting sex with god knows who. We heard she already did this kind of thing twice. Why aren't your news saying anything about that. If the girl has problems that she is trying to run away from, that is defintly not our fault. We are doing everything we can to find that gilr, because she is alive, she wasn't kidnapped. A lot of people here have seen her. Maybe she is hiding, maybe she doesn't want to be found, maybe she left the island. The news they are transmitting about us is wrong. You're damaging our islands reputation, & it hurts us. We care about finding her.

Posted by: Angi at June 09, 2005 02:34 PM (rtD1Z)

30 PRAY for Natalee. Pray for her family, friends and her community. They all need our support, prayers and thoughts right now. Before anyone says something hurtful about this situation, stop and think what if it was your best friend, sister, daughter etc. The HollowayÂ’s need kind words and support right now. Natalee Â– Missouri is praying for you.

Posted by: Jenna at June 09, 2005 03:02 PM (Ut8x1)

31 My thoughts and prayers are with Natalee and her family.

Posted by: Kathy at June 09, 2005 04:27 PM (y/ooQ)

32 Why haven't we heard anything from the students that waved goodbye to her at the bar? Why doesn't anyone want to go "there".??? ASK THEM!!!!! Put THEM on the spot...they feel they are old enough to drink and be adults, then ask them the tough questions.

Posted by: Mary at June 09, 2005 04:33 PM (x/2Gh)

33 Let me begin by offering my prayers to Natalee Holloway, her family, friends, community, and all that were involved in the now famous trip to Aruba. I continue to hope for the best possible outcome. May god bring all of you strength during this horrible ordeal. I agree with some of the things that have been posted on this website. Was it stupid for Natalee to get drunk at a bar, leave her friends, and get in a vehicle with 3 strange men? Yes it was, but I think each of us has done something stupid in our lives and luckily for us we didn't make the ultimate sacrifice (and let's hope she didn't either). Let's face it, everyone makes mistakes, but Natalee is no stupid girl. Getting a full academic scholarship to a public university is no joke and she obviously is/was a brilliant woman. Let's stop judging her for the decisions that she has made and let's be supportive of the rescue effort. I also agree with the statement that this case would not be such big news if it wasn't a beautiful, blonde, smart, WHITE girl. Murder, rape, and kidnappings are unfortunately a fact of life and there are many that go unreported by news agencies every day. It's unfortunate what many news outlets concider news and what they don't. If Natalee were an unattractive, black, girl from the ghetto who had been raped and murdered we wouldn't have heard anything about it unless we read the statistics about crime in one of our US cities and then she would only be a number. However, when these cases do become world news we can use them for good rather than bad and many of those who have posted here have done so. For those who didn't I feel sorry for you. Finally, I believe there is some kind of coverup going on here. America needs to get more involved, but we need to be careful not to belittle a country like Aruba. Just because we are America doesn't give us the right to bad mouth their culture, their country, or their people. We need to work together to achieve the best possible outcome. God bless you all.

Posted by: Don at June 09, 2005 05:37 PM (gqQtL)

34 I have a daughter of 20 . She is one of the most important things in my life , I know she is grown now and I cant always protect her like I did when she was a little girl. She was a good student and blonde and blue eyed and never thought of danger at all when she was with a group of friends. I simply cannot and do not want to imagine what her Mom is going through. May God bless her and I do hope her baby comes home.

Posted by: JO ANN at June 09, 2005 05:42 PM (XpWG7)

35 WE ARUBIAANS HOPES AND PRAY THAT'S SHE'S ALIVE AND BROUGHT BACK TO HER FAMILY,PLEASE PRAY FOR HER AND STOP DAMAGING OUR IMAGE TO THE WORLD,WE ARE A TINY ISLAND AND VERY PROUD TOBE BORN HERE AND THE NEGATIVE INFLUENCES HAS COME FROM OTHER COUNTRIES STRAIGHTLY TO US, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN EXAMPLE(DRUGS) THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOW IN PRISON ARE NOT ARUBIAANS, THE WAY WE WERE BROUGHT UP AS KID TILL NOW,NO YOU DON'T KNOW US,YOU DON'T EVEN CAN SEE HOW YOUR ARE DAMAGING OUR HEARTS,WE FEEL FOR THE FAMILY AND WE WILL ALWAYS BE WITH THEM, IMAGINE IF SOMETHING OFF THAT KIND HAPPENED WITH US,YOU KNOW IT'S HARD AND PAINFULL,SO MAY GOD HELP THE FAMILY OF NATALEE,HELP THEM FIND HER,IF THOSE THREE BOYS DID SOMETHING IT WILL BE PAINFULL FOR THE PARENTS TOO,THOSE THREE BOYS NEVER THOUGHT THE PAIN THEY BROUGHT IN THEM TOO,MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH NATALEE,WE ARE HOPING THAT THIS WILL BE CLEARED AND SOLVED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND NATALEE CAN BE FIND,THANK YOU

Posted by: mylene at June 09, 2005 05:57 PM (0vG5P)

36 I agree if Natalee wasn't a beautiful blonde,blue eyed babe would people be AS interested? Lets say she was a FAT,ugly girl with zits and short curly hair, would her face be put all over the web and front line news? I hardly think so. Having said this, I hope that Natalee is found and shes safe and unharmed.

Posted by: Jane at June 10, 2005 01:48 AM (KSg1N)

37 Everyday i check this sight and i cannot believe what some people wrote - This is a tragic story and it does deserve attention on cnn - If it was your daughter you would want it all over the news.

Posted by: Veronica at June 10, 2005 07:00 AM (sMIL/)

38 I feel sorry for this girl, I fear the end of this story wont be a happy ending. Let's learnd from this, the next time your drunken lady-friend try to get into strangers, Stop her no matter how. The next time your kids tell you "I can take care of myself, I can travel alone" tell them: I wont let you go with 100 irresponsable beer drinking students, U wanna travel U travel with the family.

Posted by: Alex at June 10, 2005 08:39 AM (RUxLr)

39 This is a dangerous world 24-7. Just remeber that every moment, be paranoid, be alert, do not trust anyone. You will live longer.

Posted by: Viktor at June 10, 2005 08:47 AM (RUxLr)

40 This is why a never drink, When you are drunk you are defendless.

Posted by: Robert at June 10, 2005 08:51 AM (RUxLr)

41 You know the real tragedy here? No one will learnd from this, every year hundred of girls are kidnaped, raped, and killed in the US alone. And the next year will be the same. Kids will forget Natally's fate, and parent will go back to pretend that their kids live in a safe world.

Posted by: Angel at June 10, 2005 09:00 AM (RUxLr)

42 Final Score Natally: lost her dreams an future parent : lost their life friend : saw her drunk friend get into satrangers cars and do nothing (they were to drun to help or care), they will drink in her honor at the next party Aruba : will never get the real killers, but don't worry they'll blame someone (who cares if it is inocent) to please every body Kidnapers: they'll do it again, but next time to a black one, blonds get to much media atention Media : Got several millions on news sales, they thanks God for letting this happend.

Posted by: Bob at June 10, 2005 09:16 AM (RUxLr)

43 The authorities should be looking at the people from the drug cartel restaurant. The security guard brought her to them. FBI should be looking for evidence in the caves and in the white slavery trade in So America.

Posted by: Dr. Marilyn at June 10, 2005 11:15 AM (Mrucn)

44 It is very sad that Natalee is missing. I pray she is found sound and alive. On my island of Aruba everything is being done to find this girl. Aruba is a save island and it's sad that such an incident is being used to damage our island. What about the THOUSANDS of people gone missing, raped, murdered in THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA each year?? Why point out at one incident, while YOU have a big dirty backyard to clean up??? Does HYPOCRITE ring a bell?? I hope you really stop pointing fingers at others and start with yourselves. Natalee was here to have a nice time. She should have known better not to drink, knowing she legally is not allowed to in the States. She should not have left the group and get into a car with strangers. I've been thaught that and so did you too. Use common sense and never forget to respect yourself. Just beacuse you are allowed to drink on Aruba doesn't mean you need to lose the morals you were thaught. MORALS APPLY ANYWHERE, EVERYWHERE!! As to who are resonsable for Natalee's dissapearance...well it's very sad, but as long we don't know who is or are involved we should wait and see what the outcome will be. Let's not judge before knowing the true facts. Innocent until proven guilty. I also agree that no-one, I repeat NO-ONE, has the right to harm another human being, so whomever is involved should pay for doing so. Let's pray for Natalee and for ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE MISSING IN THE WORLD TODAY! Love peace, love love, love the world. MHKY

Posted by: MHKY at June 10, 2005 02:11 PM (uxpGo)

45 Agreeing with comments below - I have seen and tried to protect several young kids who's drinks were spiked in night clubs- the victims first reaction, especially when they suspect the high is too strong is to get up and walk around outside to regain control or possibly even get away from a sensed unsafe situation. Those preying scum that know how to do this know exactly when the window of captivity opens - and the rest is sadly enough history - I do not think from what I've read about Natalie she would stray of her own sober free will - her future captor(s) were INSIDE that club that night with her - and there should be enough law enforcement people on that island now to track down all or most of them - if they want to! Yes I would absolutely start with the judge's son. They absolutely knew her condition and state of mind "at the time of her abduction"!

Posted by: MB at June 10, 2005 03:22 PM (pO1tP)

46 I hope and pray they find her, but look at the facts that got her and the family in the mess. The family covers up her real up-bringing by claiming she is a Straight-A student. So what - they allowed her to go to a foreign country and drink and party with strangers. Maybe she was drugged. Where were the people looking after the 124+ students? Drunk themselves? Her friends? Drunk? Not to mention getting into a car with three guys. And please, don't tell me there was only kissing and a liitle something else - one blond, possibly drunk/drugged girl + 3 drunk guys + no friends or parents around + a lonely beach + in the back seat of a car = well it is more that just a little kissing. You can blame a great deal on her being naive, but the facts are the parents either tolerated her drinking and party habits or encouraged it. What about all the other missing teenagers from years past? Where are they? Are they and Natalee in South America now as white slaves?

Posted by: Bill at June 10, 2005 03:54 PM (CMC2B)

47 I JUST WANT TO ASK LINDA ONE QUESTION!! WHO THE H*** LIED TO YOU THAT ARUBA HAS 14 WOMEN MISSING SINCE 1998???????????? DO ME A FAVOR!!! DO YOUR RESEARCH WELL BEFORE YOU MAKE A FOOL OUT OF YOURSELF!!!

Posted by: LINDA IS AN IDIOT! (DUTCHGIRL) at June 10, 2005 10:03 PM (ZKHwd)

48 One of the three suspects admitted of murdering miss holloway. They didn't confirm wich one yet but the one who admitted is going to lead the police to the body. We feel horrible and disgusted of this situation. Our condolences go to family and friends of natalee. may God give you strength thru this difficult time. God Bless

Posted by: Geri at June 10, 2005 11:36 PM (7iozC)

49 I do not personally know Natalee Holloway but we ALL know someone like her. A sweet girl, who tries to do everything the right way, makes good grades and has a lot of friends. She is from a beautiful town that is well-to-do, safe and very social. She has probably been sheltered from the horrors of the world and didn't know that the young people she met would hurt her. She may not be WISE, but she has proven that she isn't stupid. No one makes all the right choices when they are less than a week out of high school. Let's be more kind in our words, this is someone's child we are talking about. Pray that she hasn't suffered and that she and her mom can see each other again and that she can come home to Mountain Brook and be welcomed back by all that are worried about her.

Posted by: amanda at June 11, 2005 12:11 AM (7pUBA)

50 MY 24 YR OLD SISTER DIED IN HER SLEEP AT THE AGE OF 24. THERE WERE SEVERAL CONFLICTING ACCUSATIONS MADE BY THE INVESTIGATING OFFICERS CONCERNING THE CIRCUMSTANCES RESULTING IN HER DEATH. WHEN IT ALL WASHED OUT IN THE END THEY WERE ALL WRONG BECAUSE THEY MADE ASSUMPTIONS RATHER THAN GATHERING INFORMATION... THEY THOUGHT THAT BECAUSE SHE WAS A COLLEGE STUDENT IN A COLLEGE TOWN THAT SHE MUST HAVE GONE OUT AND DIED FROM ALCOHOL OVERDOSE WHEN IN REALITY SHE DIED OF A HEART ATTACK DUE TO SCARRING OF HER HEART. FROM WHAT I CAN TELL EVERYONE IS MAKING UNFAIR ASSUMPTIONS AS TO WHAT HAPPENED RATHER THAN WAITING FOR CONCREATE INFORMATION TO COME IN FIRST. AND BY THE WAY... IS IT FAIR FOR PEOPLE TO SAY THAT SHE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER THAN TO HAVE GONE OFF WITH STRANGERS OR BEEN DRINKING? I DON'T THINK THESE ARE FAIR COMMENTS TO MAKE BECAUSE THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT EVERY PERSON HAS DONE IN SOME SHAPE, FASHON, OR FORM. IF WE ALL PLAYED IT AS SAFE AS SOCIETY SAYS THAT WE SHOULD THEN NOBODY WOULD EVER GET MARRIED OR MAKE NEW FRIENDS. I HOPE FOR THE BEST FOR THIS YOUNG LADY, HER FAMILY AND FRIENDS, THE PEOPLE IN ARRUBA, AND EVERYONE THAT HAS THE MISFORTUNE OF BEING INVOLVED IN THIS SITUATION.

Posted by: TJ at June 11, 2005 03:24 AM (Cztbk)

51 I was wondering, why is everybody talking about abduction? Isnt it possible that she got in the car on her own free will. It is maybe harsh to say but maybe she wanted to have a wild night... I know from my own experience that American girls on Aruba are not unwilling. Im a 23 year old guy from Holland and me and my friends went to Aruba last year and the year before. I isnt very hard to pick up an American girl, not as hard as to pick up Dutch or French girls. What is wrong with drinking alcohol on the age of 18? It is in the most countries legal to drink at that age, that it is prohibited in the us does not mean that you get killed if you drink alcohol in a country where it is allowed. Thousands Americans under 18 drink alcohol on Aruba, none of them gets killed. If it is allowed on Aruba nothing should be wrong with it. I live in Holland and there are coming every thousands of Americans here to smoke weed, in US it is illegal, here it is not, so nothing wrong with that. When in Rome do as Romans do. Of course this is a real tragedy and I wish her friends and family the best for the hard period to come.

Posted by: wesley at June 11, 2005 10:00 AM (8Rxp0)

52 How is it that everyone has their own explanations as to the circumstances of this case when little factual information is known? It is this eager-to-judge-without-the-need-for-any-facts type of behavior that allows Fox and CNN to profit from tragedies such as these. We have such a talk-show mentality these days...

Posted by: Melissa at June 11, 2005 10:12 AM (6Qq0B)

53 It burns me to see the media give out news that is not true.How dare they? every one in Aruba even authorities confessed that the news about killing is not confirmed yet. And the funny thing is the international media are still saying that she is dead. I really dont understand!You can't do that . They have no idea what the island is going true!! We are doing everything we can to help find this girl.I just hope this problem is resolved as soon as possible!

Posted by: Geri at June 11, 2005 11:45 AM (a8Rsb)

54 I completely agree with Melissa. I read through all the comments and am amazed at some of the NONSENSE that has been posted here. White slavery GIVE ME A BREAK! Have you ever been to this island to make that statement? No one was there and actually knows what happened. Only the police & FBI have the correct facts. So please get your facts straight. When you say these things what proof do you have? As a resident on this beautifull island I can easily say it is a save island and I am proud to be from Aruba. But nowadays you need to use your common sense. Anything can happen anywhere in the world, as it does in the USA too! Aruba is a small island with tourism as main source of income. We are a friendly island and have people coming back for 10, 20 and 30 years consecutively. This is an incident that happened which nobody I am sure had wanted too. But it is damaging our islands reputation and UNFAIRLY if i may say so. As for Natalee I do pray for her save return and her family and wish them all the strength in the world in these dificult days.

Posted by: NaTi at June 11, 2005 03:16 PM (axn/4)

55 Â…It appears from the investigator's comments that Natalee's case will break here in the next 24-48 hours. By the way regarding the above-mentioned comments - as humans, we are programmed from birth to enjoy "pretty faces" Â… that is pure human nature. Lacey Peterson, Natalee Holloway and even the Runaway Bride all caught our attention and made good news viewings. Lucky them. If my 18 year old daughter, (her name is Natalie) were harmed in any way, I would honor the support that the world is participating in now. There is nothing more devastating than the loss of a childÂ… and knowing that your child may have been harmed is worse. NataleeÂ…if you can hear us, we all love you!

Posted by: Lynn at June 11, 2005 09:47 PM (ZNcKO)

56 i live in Puerto Rico and i am praying for the wellness and safety of this young girl. All the girld out there should know better than go into a bar, drink and go on with strangers. The innocence of this young lady might of been compromised, because she trusted the wrong persons. Never trust strangers. I will pray for her family and for all the youngters in the world. May God bless you all.

Posted by: Daisybeth at June 11, 2005 10:19 PM (7bmtZ)

57 Linda argues that people from other countries hate Americans. Many of us do, and this one delights at the thought of those boys having their way with your little Natalee

Posted by: me@myhouse.com at June 12, 2005 01:22 AM (MzODK)

58 We need to pray to break up the brothels in the name of Jesus. We do not pray in vain.. There is a bigger picture of expose going on here.

Posted by: shell at June 12, 2005 11:59 AM (bhUo9)

59 How disheartening some of these comments are. I sincerely hope that those of you who called Natalie stupid and blamed her for her tragedy do not have children. If you do, please influence your children as little as possible. Our race cannot survive any other way.

Posted by: Empathy at June 12, 2005 10:46 PM (OPyJ8)

60 We can't capture all the rapists and murderers out there...but we can teach our kids to be street smart. If you have raised your kids in a sheltered environment and protected them from every harm possible until they turned 18, then your child will likely be the wild teenager going crazy the minute they are out of your supervision. You can still have a good time without getting comepletely wasted to the point of losing your good judgement. Kids should be taught to stick to their friends when going out and take care of each other to help prevent these situations. I was drugged with a date rape pill (my stupidity, I took a drink from a guy I didn't know) and eventually passed out. If it wasn't for my friends who stopped me from going off with some guy, I might not have been here. You can't stop all the sick people out there and you can't isolate yourself form the rest of world; but you can be more careful and always stick to the group of friends you are going out with. I agree that we shouldn't pass any judgements on her. We don't even know what has really happened. She might have gone off on her own and not want to be found just like the runaway bride. Teenagers under stress and certain pressures can do a lot of crazy things. My prayers are with her and her family and hopefully she is safe and found as soon as possible. Peace, Love, Harmony

Posted by: Shrouzers at June 13, 2005 12:20 PM (jry+w)

61 This Natelee Halloway crap it is ridiculous. Who the heck cares, she is obviously a dirty drunken whore. The two Security Guards confessed they both had sex with her. That was on the news for days, because they thought they must have raped her, because an honor student would never consent to sex with strangers. However, they got off the hook, and caught 3 more fools. They also confessed to having sexual relations with her. Now, any person that does a bunch of nasty dudes in one night, ought not to have such attention or sympathy. They paint her as some super Christian honor student, when she is just a pig. I feel sorry for the parents who have to learn through the news that their child was a discusting human being. This girl gets wasted, oh super smart, then goes off with a bunch of guys she met at a club, what a good christian. Please.

Posted by: Jay at June 14, 2005 07:39 AM (Muj1V)

62 look!!! i know you people are all perfect none of you have ever got in any trouble and you are all little angels BUT some of US mess up this should be something that shows us that we all do things we should not do even the A students in school have the wild side of them show some time and we need to let this be some thing to show us that if we fuss and fight over how she should not have done this and how she should not have done that then if she is dead it want bring her back and because all of you are perfect i know you all use your heart and you should love every one so this should hurt her a little .....and if she is still is a live i hope she is ... then i want to let her and her family and friends know that all of us in alabama love then and hope that everything goes well..~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~

Posted by: angie at June 16, 2005 09:51 AM (C1lN/)

63 I AM FROM ALABAMA AND I COULD BE MEAN AND SAY HATEFUL THINGS BUT WHY YOU ARE DOING A GREAT JOB NO WONDER THERE IS SO MUCH HATE IN THIS WORLD THE DEVIL HAS CONFINCED ALL YOU PEOPLE YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT LOOK SHE MIGHT HAVE DONE WRONG OH WOW YOU HAVENT ? WELL YOU THINK YOU ARE SOMETHING SAYING STUFF ABOUT HER USEING THAT KIND OF LANGAUAGE BUT LOOK IN THE MIRROR YOU ARE NOT THE PERFECT LITTLE CHRISTIANS NOW ARE YOU? NO CAUSE LOOK GOD SAY LOVE OTHERS SOME OF YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT LOVE IS I HAVE SAT AT WORK AND READ ALL THESE ARTICLES AND IF SHE WAS BLACK OR BLUE OR WHAT EVER COLOR YOU DID NOT KNOW HER SO STOP JUDGEING (which is another sinn might i add) IF SHE WAS OF A DIFFERENT COLOR SHE WOULD BE ON TV AND TREATED THE SAME I SEE PEOPLE ON TV IN THE NEWS ALL THE TIME SO DONT START THAT CRAP CAUSE THAT IS NOT CALLED FOR THIS IS A LIFE LIKE (angie) SAID I AM SHURE NONE OF YOU HAVE EVER GOT IN TROUBLE NOW HAVE YOU?

Posted by: some one with a heart at June 16, 2005 10:47 AM (C1lN/)

64 I can not believe some of the stuff people are saying on this. (Jay in particular). A girl is missing!! Whether she was a "dirty drunken whore" (which I highly doubt), stupid or naive no one deserves to have this happen to them. I would also like to know where you heard that she had sex with the guards and other guys because I haven't heard anything like that. I find it hard to believe so many of you have such harsh comments when you have NO idea what really happened!!! Natalee could have done everything possible avoid this (not drink, stay with her friends, etc.) but if someone really wanted to take her they would find away. My prayers are with Natalee, her friends and family. No one should ever have to go through this, blonde, brunette, white, black or purple!!!

Posted by: in awe at June 16, 2005 07:45 PM (Bbvvw)

65 And they don't do anthing wrong right here in America, right? People in America don't smoke dope, right? Stupid. People you will have to wake up some day.

Posted by: Jolanta at June 17, 2005 10:25 PM (95HDa)

66 I think it is best that no one gives no more comment.Because no one knows what happend.But God knows.And he can see everything and everyone!!!Let us pray that Natalee is ok. And lets sit back and wait.The doors will open very soon, and the thruth will be revealed.

Posted by: Geri at June 17, 2005 11:00 PM (6s7SF)

67 i no what heppend iam from aruba:natelee went to carlo's and charlie's.2.she got drunk and went with 3 boys in a car thats so stupid from natelee.3.so the 3 boys have destroyd her body and now natelee is hiding somewhere in aruba.so narelee must get her stupid ass up and go to her familie .nat.....is drunk so she do not where she is ..........god bless you all peace!!!

Posted by: crazy_angel at June 19, 2005 03:22 PM (E/ej1)

68 Ignoring all the nonsense some people write, I just wish that this case is never featured in Cold Case Files and be solved 20 years later. I pray that Natalee is alive and that she reunites with her family soon. If she is in fact dead then I hope that whoever is responsible gets the punishment they deserve!

Posted by: Amarilis at June 19, 2005 08:54 PM (C4TKX)

69 Ignoring all the nonsense some people write, I just wish that this case is never featured in Cold Case Files and be solved 20 years later. I pray that Natalee is alive and that she reunites with her family soon. If she is in fact dead then I hope that whoever is responsible gets the punishment they deserve!

Posted by: Amarilis(Puerto Rico) at June 19, 2005 08:58 PM (C4TKX)

70 Gee, I guess it's a good thing CNN and Fox News didn't exist in the 1400-1900's. They would have ignored a missing girl case, seeing as so much of it was going on. Bottom line is, privileged Americans think they are invicible, especially their youth. Proof of this is all the American tourist who have decided to stay in Aruba. But as the Holloway family is finding out, you leave the U.S., and all bets are off. It is a different world out there. While many other people stuggle to work and go to Community College, 124 of these people are out in Aruba living it up. Mean while, people like me went to Iraq, and willingly risked my life, just so I could go to school. People are more interested in this girl than Marines and Army soliders in Iraq. Where are the priorities people? The tragedy is not that Natalie is missing. No, the tragedy is that people are quick to make an angel out of Natalie, when experience from growing up proves to me, that rarely are the most beautiful "innocent". If anything, they are the first to be deflowered. I get straight A's too, so what. It has nothing to do with natural desires. Aruba is an island with little regulation. They import everything, and have no natural source of fresh water. The girl is probably on a boat or in another country. She is beautiful, and that's probably the best reason I can justify saying that she's probably alive (too pretty to kill). And about those chaperones, look, if you go out of the country with somone else's kin, you have to be smarter than that, especially when you have women with you. I don't care if they were 18+, that only makes the women more of a target. They should feel at least emotionally responsible for what happened. They needed to have a plan, but they let the juniors run the show. WRONG ANSWER. Mrs. Holloway should pack it in, becase the truth of the situation is this...too much time went by, and the authorities botched the case. It's over. And even if they did find out the truth, I bet they would never admit to a "broader" conspiracy or gang of thugs being involved. They want their island to make money, and they can't do that if Americans don't feel Aruba is safe. For all you know, an element of the Aruban government could be un-offically involved. I mean, how can you trust a foreign government to provide "justice" for you. Americans can't even get justice in America. If I were the President, I would form a naval blockade of Aruba, and close off the airspace around that country. When the food starts running out, then we'll see if the Authorities keep dragging their feet. Right now, what motivation do they have to find out the truth? People are still arriving in Aruba, and the place is still making money.

Posted by: Anthony Rutledge at June 20, 2005 05:35 AM (iwDLJ)

71 To Anthony Rutledge, do you know anything about Dutch people or Aruba, besides drinking and prtying? Do you know what is this nation all about? Aruba is not a third world country, they are very rich, silly boy. The Netherlands got the biggest Naval strength, parking right there. AND, nothing really is happen bad in America, right? At least no sick person(s) is cutting babies from the mother's womb in Aruba or in the world. OK? There are thousends people missing each year, whites, blacks, latino, asians, and no body give a damm about it. Yeah stupid, LETS TAKE A ISLAND FORM THE DUTCH!right? You know what this is all about, CNN, Fox news( if you can call them news)and others want some info. and Dutch simply don't talk loud about it as Americans are about everything.

Posted by: Jolanta at June 20, 2005 08:23 AM (4jOWJ)

72 Reading alot of the posts above I must say some of them make me SICK! Natalee Holloway is missing in Aruba, and everyone is doing their best to find her. Not only because Aruba wants to be a safe heaven for the tourists. Arubans really care, you know!It's not only sad for an American to be missing in Aruba. Locals also have a life and want to be able to be safe out on the streets. If a crime has happened to Natalee, it's in everybodies interest to catch the criminals. The bashing of Aruba's name can easily be explained: how nice it is to point a finger at a small country, that way we all of a sudden feel so lucky we live where we live. Meanwhile in our backyard so to speak, horrible crimes are being commited. But let's just close our eyes to that for now, for we have a common enemy we can bash right now. Aruba is a beautiful island with wonderful people, and proof of that is the hundreds of thousant of people who have visited and revisited and will visit this island. Crimes though, happen everywhere. It's a sad fact that we can read everyday in every newspaper in every part of the world. So far though, what has happened to Natalee is still an (very sorry)incident and to even suggest a boycot or a take over of Aruba makes me LAUGH so loud.... Have the USA nothing better to do??? I'm sure your President has enough common sense to not even THINK about it. So let's stop wasting our time in gossip and so on. We hope and pray for Natalee and her family and for the beautiful island of Aruba.

Posted by: dolores at June 20, 2005 10:51 AM (zex6z)

73 People... Have you ever thought about the other girl that was missing since 1998? Think about it as bad as it is. I'm sad for the family going through this but I bet she's not even on the island anymore... http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8143921/

Posted by: depakote at June 20, 2005 03:29 PM (T31MF)

74 If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all! I learned that in preschool...it's not that difficult of a concept. Natalie is missing, who the hell cares what she looks like, i would have the same feelings if it was a black girl or a fat girl. Looks do not matter this girl is missing!! My sister was murdered 3 years ago, and during the seven weeks that she was missing the case got a lot of media coverage, not because she was a pretty white girl, but because she was a young women who went missing. She didn't get drunk and go off with some strange guy. Sadly stuff like this happens all the time, we need to spend less time pointing fingers and spreading unconfirmed stories and more time praying for Natalie and her family. This is an extremally difficult time for her family and some of the things people have said on this site have shocked me.

Posted by: Julie at June 20, 2005 05:53 PM (pCo5p)

75 Hellow people all over the world, I wanted to say that I hope they find Natalee, and I want to feel with her mother, her pain, and everything! I hope they find her, but I think it's not simple! LOt's Of hope!

Posted by: charlotte at June 20, 2005 06:35 PM (+OgYt)

76 I have read a lot of the comments, I just want to say, being from Alabama, not far from Natalees home town, we are different here in the South. Even when we may not agree with all one of us does, we stick together like family when times get tough and one of our own is in trouble.Its kinda of like Southern Hospitality, but its the Bible belt and we believe in prayer, so we pray for Natalee,her family and friends. We just want some answers and to have closure here as does her family. We are strong and determined when it comes to our kids, I guess the old Redneck way prevails, you better not mess with my kids. But we appreciate all the good things people do for us, the good that the Aruban people are doing, helping search for someone they don't know. On behalf of Alabama "Thank YOU" and may God send his blessings on you for it. Natalee is loved, and despite the mistakes made by everyone including herself we will not give up until it is resolved and we will love her home. God bless from BAMA! Home of the TIDE

Posted by: faith at June 20, 2005 07:59 PM (6krEN)

77 Alabama is southern, we love our own and we will not give up on Natalee until she is brought home one way or the other. We will pray for her and her family until there is an answer. Southerners are like a big family, we stick together when one of us gets hurt. I would like to thank the Aruban people for their help in the search,what mercy to reach out to help someone you don't know. Speculating on where she is or what has happened to her does no good, neither does blame laying, we all are human and we all make mistakes, there is a verse in the Bible, that says he who is without sin let him cast the first stone. Wanna cast the stone at her, go ahead if you are not guilty of mistakes yourself at some time in your life. I like Natalee when young made some bad choices, I just survived mine though Gods grace. I got a chance to learn but some do not, when your young and away from home, you feel invinsible it is a teen thing, its scary I have 2 teens and I pray daily for them, and try to protect them as much as I can, but I know they too can make bad choices when alone. Blessings and keep praying please for Natalee and her family. Stop Blame throwing!

Posted by: faity at June 20, 2005 08:07 PM (6krEN)

78 quite frankly natalee fucked up she got drunk danced with black guys,her pussy got wet and they all fucked her to satisfy her urges. what happened after that , maybe she went for a swim to wash away the srerm which put out her fires and drown or got eaten by a shark..may god have mercy on her sole!

Posted by: judy at June 21, 2005 08:22 AM (xND1a)

79 Judy Judy Judy, I can't believe al the hate I read in your small entry. Hopefully it will be deleted. You either want to just "be funny" and have a sick sence of humor, or you really are an ignorant selfish racist person. Then life itself will take care of you........

Posted by: world citizen at June 21, 2005 08:51 AM (zex6z)

80 This case is so interesting I cant help but look every day to see if there has been any news posted. The first thing I would like to comment on is the fact that many of youare saying the parents were stupid to let their kids go on this trip. If you stop and think about it why was it such a bad idea. In one year they would have been going for spring break anyway without any supervision. The biggest question I hve is how do she get into a car with natives. She must have snuck out of the bar because what kind of friends would let her do that and let her go alone. It makes no sense. I went to cancun for spring break and we had 11 in our group and nobody was ever left alone and they would not be allowed to leave in a car with natives alone. Second when her friends were ready to leave the bar didnt they sAY Hey where is natalie. Maybe they said she must have went back to the hotel earlier. but if this was the case then when they got back to the hotel and saw she was not there the search for her should have started at 2:00 in the morning. The reason the search did not start then is becuase her friends knew where she had gone. With a guy and his two friends in a car. I would never let my friend do this. How could you everybody knows its not a good idea. Why did they say Natalie you can not go alone bring them back to our hotel, or take someone with you, simply not a good idea and she should ahve known better. Also I am tired of hearing that she was a good girl and was not a partier. The only ones that know what she did when she went out where her friends and they may never tell. Also just because you have never done drugs before does not mean that while you are in aruba with a hot young boy that has drugs you are not going to experience them for the first time. Most importantly the 3 men in jail know what haoppened and I hope that guilt eats them up until they have the courage to act like real men and tell where she is. No one is saying that they are murderers maybe an accident happened and they freaked out. No one knows and it sickening that a human being could have the ability to end this search and pain for all these people but they are such cowards they cannot fess up to what they did

Posted by: American Girl at June 21, 2005 09:28 AM (zvHJ7)

81 First of all Tuckermaxx, before you start to criticize Natalee, imagine this being your daughter. I'm sure you wouldn't feel the same way as you descibed before. I would like to comment on "The 3 stupid things" you say she did. She was able to drink! If you knew anything about this story, you would know that she was not the under age drinker. The drinking age in Aruba is 18. Joran Van der Sloot was the only under age drinker. And he was no stranger to her! She hung out with him all week long. He was in the casino with her 3 days before she got in the car with him. After hanging out with someone for a week, they don't feel like a stranger anymore. And last but not least, Natalee did not leave her friends. Carlos' and Charlie's were closing. It was 1:30 in the morning, her friends were going back to their room. Natalee decided she wanted to have a little more fun on the last night of her Senior Trip to Aruba. How many senior trips do you take? Last time I checked, you are only a senior in high school once. She may have gone willingly, I'm not disputing that. But, you have to remember that Natalee is 18 years old. She is an adult! If she decides to leave a bar with 3 guys, that is her choice. Just because she left with them, doesn't mean they have the right to kidnap her or kill her or whatever they have done with her. My heart goes out to Natalee and her family. I live in the Birmingham area so this story hits so close to home. I have followed the story since it broadcasted on May 31st. And I will keep watching and praying until Natalee is brought home. And I do have faith, no matter what anyone says, that she will be brought home. Alive.

Posted by: Rachel Gibson at June 21, 2005 10:57 AM (Vy301)

82 Common!! What about N.H.? Is her life worth more than others? I do feel sorry for her family, but what about the many innocent men, women and children killed by americans in Iraq, Vietnam, Nicaragua, Chile, Afganistan, Grenada, etc. etc. I don't think it's fair to Aruba and neither to the rest of us.

Posted by: Jimmy at June 21, 2005 11:01 AM (QtbeL)

83 People talk about what stupid mistakes Natalee made, yet she really didn't do much more than any other 18 year old would do. She was simply careless, free-spirited and just like other teenagers think "nothing could ever happen to them" if you want to know why it is spreaded all over the news that's the reason. A wake up call that teens need to be a lot more responsible because there are bad people out there that will take advantage of a pretty, vunerable teen. The truth is probably alot of the people preaching and criticizing what Natalee did, probably at one point or another done the same thing, just didn't have to pay for the consequences. I am from a small town about 40 miles away from Mountain Brook, and I went to city stages this past weekend, and looking around there, you see so many people just like Natalee, there just to have a good time and be care-free, but in that same sentence there are men looking just for that to take advantage of that innocence. So you want to know why it is spreading all across the news... it's because it could very easily be your little girl that was kidnapped, possibly raped and possibly killed, but the worst part is not even knowing, so before you start bashing Natalee remember that her family is going through a tough time not knowing her fate, and whether or not you can or can't relate to them they have feelings too, and they are hurting. My thoughts and prayers go out to them, I may not know any of them, but after this tragedy I feel we all know her in some way, and I still hope that Natalee and her family have a happy reunion.

Posted by: Kimberly at June 21, 2005 02:33 PM (E9RFn)

84 TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO BLAME NATALEE, YOU HAVE SOME SERIOUS ISSUES FUCKED UP IN YOUR HEAD. SO AN 18 YEAR GIRL IS ON VACATION AND SHE GOES TO A NIGHT CLUB TO AND HAS A COUPLE OF DRINKS, IS THAT A REASON TO COME UP MISSING? NO NOT AT ALL. YOU PEOPLE MUST HAVE NO LIFE TO BLAME A INNOCENT GIRL JUST OUT THERE ENJOYING LIFE. I REALLY HOPE THAT HER FAMILY AND FREINDS DONT SEE THIS WEB SITE. NO ONE DESERVES TO BE MISSING POSSIBLY DEAD JUST BECAUSE SHE WAS PARTYING WITH HER FREINDS ON VACATION. I HOPE THEY FIND HER!!!!! MY PRAYERS ARE WITH NATALEE AND HER FAMILY AND FREINDS.

Posted by: ALICIA at June 21, 2005 03:44 PM (pO1tP)

85 Look, I believe that it is her own mistakes that led Natalee to where she is right now. While I believe that no person should ever deserve to die, you have to be aware of what you are doing and protect your body and your life. Natalee was not protecting herself from anyone. She was vulnerable. If this was me or my family member in this situation, no one would even care. It is unfortunate how the media will focus on the disappearance of a young caucasian woman, but when it comes to asians, blacks, hispanics, or natives it is completely ignored. I just hope that the media attention given to this case will be given equally to cases in which the victim is not a young white woman. Love and hope for Natalee and her family, SS

Posted by: SS at June 21, 2005 04:07 PM (5Q3T7)

86 Surely no one thinks letting the kids go to Aruba is what caused a problem for Natalee. This situation could just as easily have happened in Myrtle Beach, Miami, LA, New York, New Orleans or basically anywhere a group of young people might choose to go after graduation to party. It's just ridiculous to think Aruba is at fault. Places don't commit crimes, people do. The problem is that young people tend to think they are invincible and that "it won't happen to me". They think that a nice-looking, nice-talking person "is" a nice person who does not have a disease, won't rape or abduct them and certainly won't murder them. Natalee was having fun and did not take proper precautions. Unfortunately, just living your life means taking a chance. Every time I say goodbye to my son could be the last time. It's horrible that there are people in the world who do bad things, but that's just how it is. The only possible solution here is that the adult chaperones (and there should have been enough of them to properly supervise the kids--and they ARE still kids) should have been where the kids were. That's the whole idea of being a chaperone. Otherwise, what were they doing there? Passing out plane tickets? P.S. I guess when my kid graduates, I'll be sure I go on the trip! Of course, I'm also wondering how an 11-year-old boy scout gets separated from his "chaperones" in the wilds of Utah! If you send you kid off on a chaperoned trip, I think that implies the chaperones will be with the kids!

Posted by: Kat at June 21, 2005 08:38 PM (NUMJw)

87 Judy,, first of all,, your an ignorant punk, with no regards to other peoples feelings, i bet you come from a twisted family whom taught you your poorly motivated morals. How well put-together is your life? Your not perfect , i'm sure of that. Second of all if you ever have children( scary thought) i hope your brain guides you not to raise them to be as hateful as you were raised.

Posted by: christine at June 22, 2005 07:40 AM (NLats)

88 I am shocked at some of the posts that I have read on this website that have placed the blame solely on one person: Natalee. An 18 year old person's brain is not even fully developed yet...increasing the chances of making irrational decisions. Also, it is common for teenagers to have the invincibility factor; that is that they recognize dangers but are convinced that they won't happen to them. It is uncommon in these days to find a popular, attractive High School student who does not experiment with alcohol, drugs and sex because of these things...no matter how smart or well brought up. Teens are influenced most by their peers...not their parents, not their values and certainly not what is right or wrong. For some people to come on here and create posts that are filled with hate and anger takes away from the main issue here; there is a young girl who is either alive or dead, and it is important for many people that the truth be found out.

Posted by: Kandy at June 22, 2005 08:21 AM (WHtfA)

89 Natalee is not the only one to blame for her mistakes.But unfortunately we live in a world that is cruel and dangerous.If Natalee was as smart as everyone claims she was then commonsense would have told her not to get fucked up in a foreign place and not leave with guys that she just met!Those guys didn't have the right to take advantage of her either but like i said we do not live in a perfect world. There are evil people out there and poor Natalee came across them. I feel a lot for her parents but please parents teach your kids commonsense because in the long run that is whats gonna save them,not there straight A academic scholarship nor their friends!!! If you were really Natalee's friends you would have prevented her from going with strangers!!I don't doubt that any of her friends were envious of her!Some jelous and some probably didn't even like her that is why she is missing right now because they simply didn't care.The responsible adults that were there were probably drinkinga as well and were not doing there job to begin with. Besides the wars going on right now why would a school allow this trip to begin with, when there are a lot of people that hate U.S citizens right now!!!SO no Natalee isn't the only one to blame.Where were her so called friends,the chaperones that should not allow these kids to drink,and the scum that these boys are , are also to blame!!!Lets not forget the parents!! The parents of all these people. Parents teach your kids commonsense,show them that the world is not perfect and that there are people out there to harm them.Show your children how to be true frinds and responsible adults.Show them not to hate.Most important know what your kids are doing at all times.Pick up on the signs and show them not to kill or harm people!!!! I am soo sorry for u Natalee and i hope that u are in a better place.No one deserves what ever it is that happened to u but u too should have known better!!!!

Posted by: jenn at June 22, 2005 11:37 AM (ywZa8)

90 As unfortunate as this is, and i am sure that she was a fine young girl / Daughter. It just makes me mad the everyone is feeling for this girl, who IÂ’m sure from what every one said was aware of how dangerous any place is, Especially out of the country. She made the decisions anyway, and she had no friends or chaperones that cared enough to insure her safety. The Bottom line is she is the first level of defense, and then with friends and chaperones are the next level, but never to be relied on. The Police are only there to clean up after the crime is committed, and there can be a criminal anywhere. On this planet there is Predators and Prey. The Strong survives and the weak does not. It is EVOLUTION. Can only hope she is not dead and will survive this mistake, like so many others are so lucky in there lives. It is not always best to be a Pretty Young White Girl.

Posted by: Ken at June 22, 2005 11:56 AM (elZTX)

91 For those of you blaming Aruba,& yelling to boycot us. Let me just tell YOu. What kind of idiots are YOu???? Do you think we don't care that this girl is missing? Do you think we are that hearthless, that we don't feel for her family? Ofcourse we care, we care so much, that there are hunderds of people looking for her everyday. We want to find her. We believe she is alive. If it was the Dutch boy that did something to her.....well he WILL PAY. NO matter what. Maybe it wasn't Joran van der Sloot that did something to her, what about the chaperones that were with her, her "friends" the persons that were supposed to take care of her. Why aren't they to blame? Who in there right mind would let someone that was in your care, to just wander off like that. Don't they feel responsible for what happend. Or do they know, but are letting everything fall in the lap of Joran, because they don't want to go to jail.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But did you stop to think that maybe, just maybe she doesn't want to be found. That can happen & has happend before. We are a safe ISLAND. We care for the tourist here, no matter from where, the States, Europe, Latin America, where ever. We want that girl found, not just found, but found alive. YOU blame us for what is happing, pointing fingers, talking bad about us. DON'T Look at yourself, look & see what is happening in your own country before trying to pass judgment on others. Our prayers are with the family of Nathalee Holloway. Keep faith & hope that she WILL be found alive & well. Resindent of ARUBA, that loves her Island very much.

Posted by: Angi at June 22, 2005 01:18 PM (VUeiw)

92 Angi from Aruba: I understand that this could of happened anywhere and I don't think that we as americans are blamming Aruba. It is just very hard for us to grasp the difference in law enforcement. Here in the United States, Joran, Satish, and Deepak would not have been let go. And maybe it was for "tactical" reasons but if you let someone go beacuse you want to monitor their cell phone calls, then are they not suspects? We just don't understand the difference in the law I guess... And yes, this could of happened here in the United States, it happens everyday. But the reason we don't hear about it is because the investigations are "normal" to us. If you have a suspect, you keep them in custody so they don't harm any evidence. I'm not criticizing Aruba in no means. I just wish that Natalee would be found. Alive. And that is probably a wish that will not be granted, considering it has been so long since she has been missing. But I still have hope.

Posted by: Rachel Gibson at June 22, 2005 02:53 PM (Vy301)

93 I think what the Aruba citizens are doing, so worried that this is going to affect tourists from coming to their country, then that is just plain stupid on their part. Instead of thinking about that, they should be thinking about what sick monsters they have living inside their population. And not only that, they should be thinking about how their "government" will actually protect them if something like this happens to them. I think that Natalee's family should file a lawsuit, because it's obvious that with the kind of law that Aruba has, no man that does a crime will actually get the right punishment, and the victim and her family will never have justice.

Posted by: Kimberly at June 22, 2005 03:05 PM (A0olg)

94 Did anyone ever stop to think maybe she was drugged? You can't put blame on what happened... There are so many possibilities that could have happened in this case, and my thoughts and prayers are with her, hoping she is safe.

Posted by: sarah at June 22, 2005 04:46 PM (0G+wI)

95 I think that no one will ever see eye to eye on this and that we should only say a prayer for this girl & her family. All of the opinions about this situation doesn't matter at all. What does matter is prayer for her safe return.

Posted by: Crystal at June 22, 2005 07:19 PM (ywZa8)

96 Unfortunately, this was an unintended gangbang that went very bad. I think that Natalee unquestionably went to have sex with the dutch kid. She was drunk and vulnerable and he was probably a smooth talker. His buddies were going along just to watch. But when they saw this beautiful girl having sex with their friend, they decided to join in. When you realized that all three were gangbanging her, she had a moment of realization and tried to fight it, unsuccessfully. When they finished up, she threatened to go to the authorities. They panicked and did something stupid. I believe that this is most feasible scenario and I really hope I'm wrong. My prayers go out to the family.

Posted by: matthew at June 22, 2005 07:33 PM (M7kiy)

97 Since Natalee has not been found on an island the size of Aruba after all these people have searched and searched, I would say it's time to think out of the box and realize she probably is not in Aruba. She could be in Venezula, if alive, and if not dumped by those 3 hormone happy ding-bats in the area off Aruba with shark infested waters. Haven't people heard of the girl that disappeard from the Carnival Cruise ship that while docked in Aruba? There is strong evidence that she was sold as a sex slave in Venezula. Natalee's mother needs to contact that bounty hunter named, "Dog," and get him to go to those seedy brothals in Venezula and start knocking some heads together. Given the fact that this Van der Sloot brat is shaping up to look like a spoiled, arrogant, self absorbed brat, sociopath, I would not be surprised with his networking skills if he rubbed shoulders with some Aruban or Venezulan scum bags that said, "How'd ya like to make some fat cash by getting a good looking girl for us?" I agree with the scenario about the gang bank/murder theory, but every stone needs to be turned and I am shocked that I have not heard this one mulled over on the news. I have a beautiful, articulate, well educated daughter with a gorgeous body, blonde hair and big brown eyes. Once while jogging in day light, a man that was parked by the side of the road tried to abduct her into the back of his open van back door. Had there been 3 men, she might not have survived to kick and sprint like she did to get away. To paint Natalee as the culpret here is the most small minded thing I have ever read. Van der Sloot is like a thousand 17 year old boys with raging hormones. They turn on the charms and it doesn't take long for them to show their scum bag motives and low character...the richer the more so. They're a dime a dozen. I have been to the Netherlands and love the people, but their system of investigation sounds like it leaves much to be desired.

Posted by: golden girl at June 22, 2005 11:04 PM (aYCWK)

98 This girl ( as testified by her own friends)went on her FREE WILL with those guys...a straight A student or not,there is already something wrong with this girl. I am sorry, but there are millions of others who were innocent but suffered at the hands of rapists, murderers...This girl was NOT innocent. She chose to be with strangers in the middle of the night, even kissing and making out with them--what kind of "angel" is her family trying to portray her to be? I hope she is alright, but all the resources used on finding her should be diverted to those who truly deserve help!

Posted by: Grace J. at June 23, 2005 04:45 AM (DruiH)

99 Let this be a LESSON/ WARNING for all the high school/ college WHORES out there who go for vacations and engage in sexual activities with strangers!

Posted by: linda McComick at June 23, 2005 04:50 AM (DruiH)

100 Angi from Aruba - AMEN! I completely agree with every point you have made. AND to sarah - you are completely accurate about the drugging scenario. The possibility exists that this was not her own free will.

Posted by: Kandy at June 23, 2005 07:46 AM (WHtfA)

101 I just came back from Aruba months for a short vac. I am sure they all raped, beaten, killed and dumped the poor girl in the ocean somewhere! Definetely she made a series of bad mistakes however she did not deserve to pay the ultimate price. Nobody does, no matter if a bitch an easy girl or whatever. The thing that scares me the most is that if the guys keep denying everything they must be released eventually. there is no evidence whatsoever linking the suspects to the missing girl. Being a law student myself, there is a good chance in case they wont get them to confess that the trial might start with insufficient evidence. They might even get away with murder!!! wouldnt that be disdgusting!?!?! i dont believe that the girl doesnt wanna turn up or she simply went tripping to venezuela. she is definetely dead she was certainly killed may 30th!. if croes managed to dump the body faraway from the coast she might never turn up! how would the prosecutors start a murder trial without the damn body?? they wont unless they get those fucking animals to confess soon. I know that theyll start to say that they are regular kids raped by their parents, spolied and that they simply went too far....this time Bullshiiiitttt.......they must rot in prison or be executed in a public square!!!! Otherwise this will probably be rembered as one of the great misteries in us's crime history!

Posted by: christine at June 23, 2005 08:56 AM (KvM6X)

102 I agree with u chris, there are all the ingredienjts for a perfect murder, no body, no evidence, just a bunch of idiots being questioned! it couldnt last unless the fuckers confess! She was killed no question about that! rest in peace blonde girl!

Posted by: vic at June 23, 2005 09:02 AM (KvM6X)

103 sure, vic a...well the perfect murder...its really strange that the police and rescuers havent found a fucking clue. nothing at all, if it will ever be solved i am sure that csi will be inspired by it!

Posted by: christine at June 23, 2005 09:07 AM (KvM6X)

104 well unless they found something and they made it vanish just like natalee. Aruba its not the fucking bermuda's triangle. itsw a peacefull island. i think that the van der sfuckingloot 's father is hiding something. you could tell from fox's interview that hes scared and not telling the truth. he knows and he probably played a big role in natalee's disappearence.

Posted by: vic at June 23, 2005 09:11 AM (KvM6X)

105 well vic, hes cdertainly scared about his career. I dont think that a judge could go too far if his son butchered and raped a teen girl. the father knows, sure he knows a lot. I think he might have helped the 4 animals dumping the body and told them what to say to authorities. i think that if van der sloot's father wasnt a judge, the case would have been solved by now. he is definetely trying to cover up the truth!

Posted by: christine at June 23, 2005 09:16 AM (KvM6X)

106 I agree with u chris! its so fucking frustrating knowing that those 4 fuckers could get away with murder just because daddy knows the right people! shoudnt the law be the same for everybody? sure it should however thew father counts and hes not gonna give up his fucking career easily. hell do whatever is in his power to cover the truth.

Posted by: vic at June 23, 2005 09:21 AM (KvM6X)

107 I agree with u chris! its so fucking frustrating knowing that those 4 fuckers could get away with murder just because daddy knows the right people! shoudnt the law be the same for everybody? sure it should however thew father counts and hes not gonna give up his fucking career easily. hell do whatever is in his power to cover the truth up.

Posted by: vic at June 23, 2005 09:21 AM (KvM6X)

108 ya right vic, the sad thing is that a girl died violently and the people who know are trying to mislead the police just for the sakes of their fucking career. what a selfish world! I just hope that natalee passed away decently, say lets hope she was knocked out before being murdered! I wanna think like that, it makes me feel vbetter. My daughter is turning 4, i woouldnt know what i could do if i was wearing mrs's holloway's shoes! it must be utterly devastating!

Posted by: christine at June 23, 2005 09:27 AM (KvM6X)

109 its so sad that the mother is still hoping to find the daughter alive. She is not! her daughter was butchered and dumped in the fucking ocean. I think that she knows that, however she doesnt wanna give up. she is still hoping. There is no hope left, Natalee is dead! we need justice, those monsters must pay for what they had done. and even if they wont, e day theyll go to hell! gotta go chris, it was nice chatting with ya, see ya! lets prasy fo natalees soul! may she rest in peace!!

Posted by: vic at June 23, 2005 09:34 AM (27OmF)

110 OF COURSE NATALEE IS DEAD. THERE IS NO WAY AROUND TRYING TO JUSTIFY SHE ISN'T. WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS THAT SHE IS ONE OF MANY PEOPLE DAILY, WHO ARE SNATCHED UP, RAPED & TORCHERED, THEN BRUTALLY MURDERED. HOWEVER, WHEN AN ATTRACTIVE BLONDE AMERICAN SCHOOL GIRL GOES MISSING BEYOND AMERICAN BORDERS, THAT'S WHEN THE ORDINARY SUBSIDES AND WHEN THE MEDIA BLOWS IT OUT OF PROPORTION. NATALEE DEFINITELY DIDN'T DESERVE DEATH AS HER ULTIMATE PRICE FOR COMMITING INSANELY STUPID MISTAKES. HOWEVER, THE MEDIA DEFINITELY TRIES TO PORTRAY HER AS THIS EXTRMELY INNOCENT VICTIM WHO WAS TARGETED. LET'S NOT FORGET, SHE VOLUNTARILY LEFT HER BIG GROUP OF (AND I SAY LOOSELY) "FRIENDS" TO PARTY IT UP WITH THREE STRANGERS ON THEIR OWN ISLAND. AS WE ALL KNOW, SHE WAS INTOXICATED AND SEXUALLY ADVENTUROUS DURING HER TRIP TO ARUBA. I FEEL UTTER AGONY, DISBELIEF AND SORROW FOR NATALEE AND HER LOVELY FAMILY.....BUT, SHE DID SET HERSELF UP FOR THIS HORRIBLE SITUATION. OUR PRAYERS ARE WITH NATALEE AND HER FAMILY.

Posted by: ANTHONY at June 23, 2005 10:22 AM (DAuVF)

111 ANTHONY - how do you know she was sexually venterous during her trip to Aruba?

Posted by: Kandy at June 23, 2005 12:03 PM (WHtfA)

112 I can't believe some of the comments on here it makes me sick to my stomach. Natalee is stupid? You ignorant bastards are stupid! She just graduated high school of course she wanted to go away and have fun with her friends! I did! I'm all of us did right? She was a great girl and she got drunk ..SO WHAT! I find that there is NOOOO reason what so ever that she deserved to be killed. Yes, she should of stayed with her friends at the club but you know what she probably liked the guy and she wanted to be with him. Well, little did she know that he was going to probably and I wish i didn't have to say this but kill her...and who else knows what happened?! Only those boys know and they are trying to cover it up, it's so obvious. Why are those boys not missing and she is? SOmething happened that night and they aren't saying!! They know what happened to her...makes me soo sick to my stomach. She made a small mistake by leaving with those boys but that dosen't mean it was ok to do whatever happened that night...If this was your friend, daughter, or something that you loved you would be dying to know what the hell happened to them. You would want justice!! I don't even know her and it makes me so sick. It could of been my friends, me, anyone. I have been drunk in another country but no I wouldn't ever leave my friends considering that you don't have the same rights there as in the USA..you never do. We are very fortunate. Please, dont say she was stupid. She was a young girl who just graduated school celebrating her freedom like we all did. Unfortunately someone took advantage of that...Now she's missing. Pray for her...this could be any of you...

Posted by: Katie at June 23, 2005 12:55 PM (GAmYr)

113 TUCKER MAX I just pray to God that something like this never happens to you or someone close to you. Do you even realize that her mom is probably reading your STUPID comments and is crying even more now. JUDY Shame on you. You are discusting and soooooo very rude. Same as above for tucker max, do you even realize that her mom is reading your comments. My God, how old are you?? POOR POOR Natalie. She is just a young girl out celebrating. WE HAVE ALL BEEN THERE. If she was kissing this guy then yes, she was in the back seat voluntarily. Something went wrong after that. Maybe it was planned and maybe not. How will we ever know. To the people who harmed her or still have her. Just go ahead and tell the truth. It will come out eventually. How could you do this to anyone. I know you are scared to death right now but give her whereabouts up. Enough is enough. Also one more thing, this site does not have to be a war zone between ARUBANS and AMERICANS. Stop making crude comments about each other. We all are on this site to find out about Natalie, not to put people down, where ever they may be from.

Posted by: Tennessean at June 23, 2005 12:57 PM (121GO)

114 TO: TUCKERMAXX I went to this address looking for updated news on Natalee's disapearance. I am disgusted with what was written about her. Who in the hell do you think you are to write something like that about someone. Some people in this world are very trustworthy of others and don't believe people could be so awful. It is misfortunate what has happend to her, but don't judge her as STUPID. I believe that you are the STUPID jackass for writing something like that. You evidently are desperate for some kind of attention and are willing to write something STUPID to get it. Well here is some attention for the loser asking for it. You are a sorry excuse for a human being. You are basically a piece of shit who needs to get a life. How in the hell would you feel if that was your child, DUMBASS! GET A LIFE AND A HEART BECAUSE YOU ARE SUCH A LOSER!!!

Posted by: KC at June 23, 2005 01:01 PM (2b1l8)

115 well, well, well....i ams ick and tired of this saga. she is dead, period, a white blonde girl bitching around who wanted be gangbanged by a bunch of horney studs. if she was black she would have gotten a couple of lines in the NYpost, so whaaaat!!!???? My stepsister was murdered, she didnt even get a couple ogf lines in the papers...ooopps forgot, we live in a white world. This bitch probably wanted have too much fun!

Posted by: jamal at June 23, 2005 01:26 PM (HvlE4)

116 to Jafuckingmal who the fuck you think you are, you bastard! how ruthless are you? dont you have any feeling what so ever towards this poor girl whose only mistake was celebrating her graduation. Have you ever nbeen horney? have you ever felt the urge to fuck? if you are human, id guess so, but i doubt you are, you cold blooded motherfucker! but whenever you felt that urge, anjd you did it, did you get killed as a result? i dont think so cause otherwuise you wouldnt be writing a bunch of craps! get life you fucking moron, give me your address and ill get there kicking your black ass!

Posted by: mike at June 23, 2005 01:34 PM (HvlE4)

117 to mike! are you drunk/stoned? tou, who the fuck you think you are why you get so excited about a whore, who got probably fucked to death? why do you..why do we have to care, why do the media make so much wasted noise about that? why do we have to be wasting our time in this very forum? lets see what happened, a girl got drunk, wanted have fun, she certainly did, and things may have gotten a bit too far? in america things like these happen on a daily basis. the only difference is that what happened, happened to a white blonde, angel prom queen whom is turning out to be nothing but a whore!

Posted by: jamal at June 23, 2005 01:42 PM (HvlE4)

118 to jafuckingmal you will go to hell and you will pay for what you are saying, fucking looooooooooser! arent you ashamed of yourself? a girl is dead, an 18years old girl, dont you think your mom was fucking guys at that age? dont you think your granma was fucking guys at that age? she was probably giving head to the whole town? have you ever thought about that you fucking moron? dont you know that teenagers'hormons do whatever they want? dont you know that teenagewrs want to have new experiences? you are just blaming a girl who wanted have fun....i repeat fun.....she got killed instead! if at least your mother would have ended up in the same way, you wertent writing bullshit!

Posted by: mike at June 23, 2005 01:51 PM (e8ErO)

119 to mke the the motherfucjer how dare you, how could say something like about my family! what the fuck you know? my granma, married my granpa when she was 20 and she was a damn virgin! she wasnt ganbanged when she was 18! my mom married my dad when she was 19 and she was a virgin! you get a life son of a bitch!

Posted by: jamal at June 23, 2005 01:56 PM (e8ErO)

120 to jafuckingmal i got a life already, by the way i must leave you now because i got a meetin wit hclients! post your fucking address on this site, and illpay you a visit, thats a damn promise! by the way are you a fucking democrat? or worse are you a naders follower? you definetely sound like one!

Posted by: mike at June 23, 2005 02:03 PM (e8ErO)

121 Well if you watched the news yesterday, the story about the little boy who was found alive in Utah. Among all the searchers was the father of a little boy who vanished in those same mountains years before. He said that he wanted to show his concern if this ever happened again... that was a very selfless act on that man's part. I think we all could learn a thing or two from him. Jamal- for you to say things like you said about someone you do not know, especially when you, yourself have been in the same position as Natalee's family, I really hope people around your community gave the rest of your family more respect than you are giving Natalee's. White, Black it doesn't matter what color a person is, Natalee is a victim, these people kidnapped her, possibly raped, and killed. I hardly call that a punishment for a girl who went on a senior trip and got drunk. And if she said no, it was rape, regardless of if she was drunk or not. And it's not like "she's dead period" She has not been found, her family still believes there is hope. There is a wall of hope in Mountain Brook full of signatures praying for her return. If they all still have faith and hope, I think we all should, and if you are on of the arrogant ones, atleast have the repect not to write rude and hurtful things about a young woman who's fate is still not clear. If you can't do that, then the least you can do is exercise your free will, and turn off the TV when they talk about her, or click the X when you enter a web site about her. Because if you only show what concern that you show on this board, your thoughts and opinions are better left unspoken.

Posted by: Kimberly at June 23, 2005 03:22 PM (4Y5YJ)

122 Since Aruba is such a basically crime free place, perhaps someone on the trip with her or someone else that was visiting had something to do with her dissappearance. Maybe the focus is too much on Arubans and not the passenger manifest lists of people that left the day she was supposed to or soon after. I hope they question her fellow travelers as well, they knew when she was supposed to leave and someone could have done something to her just before they were leaving the island. Wouldn't it be a person authorities would least suspect? The people they have in custody may very well know where she is, but then again, they may not and the perp may not even be on the basically low to no crime island! The criminal may have flown in and flew out. I agree with Natalie's mom, not enough investigating was done quick enough. Her traveling companions (friends?) claim they thought she was with the other group and the other group thought she was with that group; according to one spokes person, and that is why it wasn't known as soon as she was missing. I say check those traveling companions out and other visitor's criminal histories that left after her night of partying. I wouldn't rule that out as the trail gets colder and colder.

Posted by: Too many CSI shows? at June 23, 2005 03:38 PM (8FNwl)

123 you guys make me throw up.

Posted by: beth at June 23, 2005 04:14 PM (mXG78)

124 to too many csi shows what you r implyinmg is that the girl was killed by someone who fled the island the same day? never thought about that, i think its a good point you have made. I think that van der sloot would have confessed by now. idont thin kthety are treating him with a soft touch. rithrt hes an academy award actor or hes really innocent. i dont understand why everybody is so pissed with him., he maybe innocent and natalees killer may have returned to america. its so damn weird that they havent forund anything whatsoever, not a trace, not a clue, nothing at all. the kids havent confessed, the girl has vanished, its getting really strange. maybe the boys cant confess because they have doner nothing at all. how could one admit something he had not done? Especially when life behind bars is at stake. havent they interviewed any of the kids gone back home? for all what we know, she might have been a bit of an easy girl, her mom wont tell that on national tv, will she? i hope the mistery will soon be solved, because i cant almost sleep at night. I got an 18 years sold gorgeous looking girl, it makes me shake, just to think that it could have happened to her. sorry about the typing, i am really in a hurry!

Posted by: holly peterson at June 23, 2005 05:26 PM (mXG78)

125 jmal you make me throw up. mike is right get a life...the old racism issues are over....wake up the kkc is over, again wake up! america is not a white world, everyone has equal opportunities. and i am sure that if the girl disappeared in aruba was a black teen, not good looking, she would have gotten the same level of attention from the medias. Jamal wake up you sucker, Missisipi burning is over the bastard responsible for the murders was sentenced to 60 years, hell be 142 years old. jAMAL ITS 2005, WHAKE THE FUUUUUCK UP!

Posted by: PAUL at June 23, 2005 05:34 PM (mXG78)

126 If the bitch got gang raped and dumped in the ocean with a brick teid to her legs it was her own fault. Hot young blond american, drunk and alone on a strange island... ...no shit. Gee, it must take a fucking rocket sientist to figger' that one out. Dumb bitch

Posted by: Andrew at June 23, 2005 05:55 PM (c5AKW)

127 Grow up people!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Kevin at June 23, 2005 08:18 PM (hsYy5)

128 Hey Andrew! I hope your mom gets raped and killed, then see how you feel...You are a fuckhead and you probably buttfuck your dad while your mom jerks off a strap on dildo. inconsiderate douchebag

Posted by: fuck andrew at June 23, 2005 08:48 PM (peo6j)

129 i just can't belive people would blame a young girl as i have read we all make mistakes in life does not call for killing if she is hopeful and with prayers natalee will be found alive her parnets have suffer a terrible loss stop the nonesense and pray for her to be return to her family and pray for the ones are very unkind and same thing happens here in the usa concern reader for natalee and her family jeanie

Posted by: jeanie at June 24, 2005 06:04 AM (+LJzu)

130 Come on people! What happend? Everybody is complaining; "She was stupid","our country gets damaged", "If she wasn't this beautifull this case would never get this much attention". Fact of the matter is; A girl of 18 years old is missing! At the age of 18 you can not acspect someone to always be sensible and only do what is right. Stop complaining and hurting people and lets just support the ones closest to Natalee. I hope for the sick people whomse words I refuse to repeat they will at some point in life regret there statements done on this page. I truely hope their view on life will change for the better for themselves and for the sane people. Frankly I expect there is one person using different names who is getting a kick out of trying to shock people. He or she will probably love to get a lot of angry reactions. Just do not give this person or this small group this pleasure and just ignore them. I wish all the strength in the world to the people close to Natalee .

Posted by: Jeroen at June 24, 2005 06:34 AM (9v7Vr)

131 I am in just amazement as what to some of you say about this. If this were YOUR daughter ..your sister...your best friend...no amount of news is enough. Some of the remarks I have read are just unexcuseable. We all know a Natalee..a young beautiful girl getting ready to battle life after high school. What teen hasnt drank?? What teen hasnt had fun? Unfortunatly Natalee hasnt returned from her night of having fun. This could have happened to you or I right here in US. So dont be so quick to judge Natalee. I pray for Natalee's safe return home and for her parents..to help them thru this difficult time. Always know the lord never gives you more than you can handle. God Bless

Posted by: Just Amazed at June 24, 2005 08:08 AM (fzyxv)

132 you almost all make me sick! u cock suckers, grow up! What you are saying in this forum is 99% revolting. Natalee was a whore, a bitch, a stupid, a gangbang lover. How could you? How could you infer something like that? How could be so rude? How could you judge someone? We are talking about a girl who go raped and murdered! lets pray for her instead! u bunch of idiots!!!!

Posted by: maria at June 24, 2005 10:48 AM (o1Czk)

133 Yes, she made some very stupid mistakes. Yes, the people who did take her are bastard scum. And yes, the media is focusing perhaps too much attention on this one girl, but in a month or two no one outside of Alabama will remember her name. They are just sensationalizing the disappearance of one pretty, young girl, when in fact there are thousands of children each year who are kidnapped, raped, molested, and/or murdered. Let's have a prayer for ALL of them, and not just these few girls the media have adopted as their poster children.

Posted by: Bottom Line at June 24, 2005 10:50 AM (v7A1L)

134 Excuse me folks, I hate to interrupt this 'fascinating' and 'informative' discussion but can I remind all of you of a couple of things: a) This is not a public forum. This is my personal weblog. You are welcome to hold back and forth discussion here, but please refrain from making disgusting remarks about Ms. Halloway. I will turn comments off and/or ban those making such remarks! I do not monitor all of these discussions. Please e-mail me with reports of abuse. mypetjawa@gmail.com b) This is an old archive. For discussion on more recent news items, especially those that relate to the War on Terror, please go to our Main Pate at www.mypetjawa.mu.nu

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at June 24, 2005 10:55 AM (JQjhA)

135 No one on here knows what happened that night so stop insulting that girl...Since so many of you know exactly what happened then you shouldnt be posting messages on here instead you should call the police and tell them all this info. Grow up!

Posted by: Amarilis at June 24, 2005 11:00 AM (C4TKX)

136 I am amazed and saddened at the hateful remarks and feedback that I've read at this forum. I hope for the family's sake that they somehow find closure in an ordeal that no one should have to experience. I hope the best for them and for Natalee. Through all of the coverage I have seen...I've had only one question. What were 18 year old high school seniors doing at a Carlos and Charlie's restaurant/bar at that time of the late night/early morning anyway? Anyone vacationing in the Carribbean knows what goes on at any Carlos and Charlie's establishment...I don't care where it's located...Aruba, The Bahamas, Cancun, Cozumel...any of their many locations. Their employees are trained to get the patrons DRUNK...and very drunk. By doing so, they hope the patron will come back the next night because of the fun they had the night before or tell their friends that may vacation in the same place the next year, how much fun they had at a Carlos and Charlie's. Plus, the more a patron drinks...the MORE money they spend. Great marketing idea, huh? Carlos and Charlie's depend on repeat business and they're all about keeping the party going. In addition, their bars/restaurants are known to be pick up joints for vacationers that might be looking to have a "one night" fun time while on vacation. I'm not by any means implying that the owners of Carlos and Charlie's should be held accountable, but what I am asking is where were the chapperones and why did they allow these kids to go to this place? As a parent, if my child had gone...I would not be very happy with the adults that were given this responsibility. Believe me...everyone that's been so judgemental of her actions...apparently you all have never experienced the pleasure and fun of taking such a vacation in the tropics. You're in a different mindset, you're in a beautiful place that you do things that you normally wouldn't do. The stress of your everyday life is behind you and you're just looking to enjoy yourself. In addition, we're talking about a young girl who at the young age of 18 doesn't have many life experiences under her belt and therefore should not be allowed in such a bar/restaurant. Instead of being so harsh in regards to Natalee's actions, keep in mind she could have been someone that each of you knows or is related to. I hope somehow good comes from all of this. It may not seem so right now, but possibly in the distant future.

Posted by: Lori at June 24, 2005 12:09 PM (OUHFd)

137 To whoever reads this; I never knew Natalie but i am praying every day that she will be found alive and well and returned to her family.I am keeping whatever information I found about her from the internet,however if Anyone has any more information about her such as her birthday or height,please mention it on this websight.The more information anyone has of a missing person,the better chance they could be located.If she were my daughter or sister,I would surely want as much information to be known by everyone in the hopes of her being found again.Thanks a lot.

Posted by: Richard at June 24, 2005 02:48 PM (8uqs5)

138 To whoever reads this; When I mentioned that I am keeping any information that I found about Natalie Holloway from the internet,i meant that I am holding onto to any information that the internet provided about Natalie.

Posted by: Richard at June 24, 2005 02:59 PM (8uqs5)

139 To Richard, I agree. I also think everyone should be on the look out for her with short hair and even a different color, as whoever may have escorted her away may have changed her description as best as they could to avoid being easily spotted. The investigators ought to go to the stores that sell hair color on the island and see how many boxes may have been purchased since her disappearance. I feel she is still alive.

Posted by: Too many CSI Shows at June 24, 2005 04:08 PM (8FNwl)

140 I'm from Minnesota and I think about Natalee every day. I pray that she will be returned safetly to her home in Alabama. If this was my sister or best friend NO amount of media coverage could be enough. Instead of critizing Natalee for making mistakes maybe you should pray for her return instead of wasting breath on something that doesn't matter.

Posted by: Amy at June 24, 2005 04:49 PM (14c5Z)

141 did you fart?

Posted by: hapsing at June 24, 2005 07:45 PM (9P3Og)

142 My thoughts and prayers are truly with this family. It is very hard to lose a child. But to not even know where your child is...is beyond my imagination. I lost my 18 year old son in an automoblile accident and I do know how hard it is to live without your child. It is truly almost unabarable but you do somehow (only with the help of God) do you get through it. No, you will NEVER be the same for one half of you is gone. The only comfort I received when I lost my child was to pray and ask God to show me comfort and give me peace. HE DID!! I KNOW for a fact I could have never gotten through this alone. What he has done for me ....he will do for you! Remember that! God is real. Only God knows why. Again, my thoughts and prayers are with this family. I know what they are facing for many years. It is not easy. If Natalee is found alive, be very thankful! If not, God will help you through it. It is the hardest thing you will ever do is lose your child. Trust me, I know. Trust in God. He loves us all. Lisa

Posted by: LIsa Sersion at June 24, 2005 08:32 PM (ywZa8)

143 i know andrew from school. he told me one time that he like the smell of farts. it's understandable for him to talk like that because he had sniffed so much farts. it kind of messed up his brains. he's so dumb in school and i won't be surprised he'll drop out. he think he's smart but his brain is full of farts.

Posted by: hapsing at June 24, 2005 08:44 PM (9P3Og)

144 This is a tragic story but one I think could of been avoided. In this day in age, I dont care where you live, you hear about this on the news, on the internet, about rape, murder, kidnapping etc. Why on earth would you let your guard down in a foreign country of all places?!? The one question I would like answered is what the hell were her 124 classmates thinking...are you telling not one of her friends saw her leaving a bar intoxicated with 3 MEN!!! Remind me to never go drinking with you. I'm 27 years old and my friends and I travel to the bathroom at a local bar in pairs! Natalee may have made a split second mistake but it's also your friends who are suppose to look out for one another. I remember when I was 18, we did stupid things "and whatever happens in Aruba, stays in Aruba"...we've all been there, but this was a little outrageous. The one thing that came to mind when the story first broke was WHERE WERE HER FRIENDS??? I dont see any of them in Aruba helping... I do hope justice prevails for Natalee and her families sake...but god, how can you live with yourselves...you too also make a split second mistake.

Posted by: MEL at June 24, 2005 09:02 PM (Dhzdh)

145 You have to question the intelligence of people who can neither speak English nor spell correctly. I hope any friends and family of the Halloway family consider the calibre of people(?)who are writing some of these comments. I certainly hope they have not stumbled onto this website. I am sorry I have.

Posted by: Mikie at June 24, 2005 11:55 PM (Wpqg5)

146 may god bless natalee and her family. Noone should say the bad things they said about natalee and for everyone that said that she is being put on the nation wide news only because she is blond is definitely wrong so please stop making the bad omments about natalee put yourself in her shoes. you are talking about someone that is missing here!

Posted by: claudia at June 25, 2005 09:48 AM (noniB)

147 What a waste of a good life. American girls can never use their brains when they party or are drunk. The stories I heard of her are pretty nasty and disgusting. It's hard for me to believe that she was the angelic honours student that the media protrays her to be. I hope for her safety but she should definitely get some help and clean up, if she is ever found alive.

Posted by: Brad at June 25, 2005 12:29 PM (qzZYB)

148 hey brad, did you fart?

Posted by: hapsing at June 25, 2005 01:15 PM (9P3Og)

149 If this girl were black nobody would have said a thing.

Posted by: jgjgjjg at June 25, 2005 02:37 PM (9l9mp)

150 que chorro de mamabichos hay aqui ojala les coman el culo a todos cabrones hijos de puta me cago en sus madres ojala se los claven y les partan a tos esos culos pelus y asquerosos pendangos hueveros me cago en todos ustedes

Posted by: Yuoi at June 25, 2005 10:16 PM (lqs1y)

151 que chorro de mamabichos hay aqui ojala les coman el culo a todos cabrones hijos de puta me cago en sus madres ojala se los claven y les partan a tos esos culos pelus y asquerosos pendangos hueveros me cago en todos ustedes

Posted by: Yuoi at June 25, 2005 10:16 PM (lqs1y)

152 I am just wondering why we don't hear from the people who were with her on the trip. I would like to hear more as to what the rest of the vacation was like. How much time she spent with Van Dersloot etc. When did she first meet up with him?? I admit I made stupid decisions as a teen... I am thankful to be alive. Now I myself have a teenager and I worry all the time for her safety. Reaching out and trusting can be truly dangerous. (especially in paradise!) I pray for answers and justice in this case... most of all I pray for a miracle.. May she come home alive!!!

Posted by: mary at June 25, 2005 10:30 PM (ywZa8)

153 Has any one thought that Joran really left her at the beach and that she walked home and something bad happened? Because this is gonna be the defense theory. No confession, no body, no case. Of course nobody believes that but it will hold up in court! I think she probably was intoxicated and gangbanged and was choked in the act. They all paniced and daddy helped to dispose the body. I think these guys have done this before. Naiv girl, last day on the island who will never tell.... JMHO I think they all walk like OJ... amazing world!

Posted by: HvdB at June 26, 2005 09:22 AM (civuw)

154 I do feel bad for what happened. But honestly, it's news to everyone involved when someone winds up missing, but most don't make international or even national headlines. I think the only reason this one did is cuz it happened in Aruba. Yes, whoever killed her had no business doing that. As far as her needing chaperones, at 18 they are considered adults, so no chaperones needed. If she IS alive, then she is somewhat responsible for what happened, because when you do something stupid, you are to blame as well. I HOPE TO GOD ALL YOUNG PEOPLE WHO KNOW ABOUT THIS LEARN A GOOD LESSON NOT TO GET DRUNK AND GET IN A CAR WITH STRANGERS!!! AND DON"T KISS OR MAKE OUT WITH SOMEONE YOU DON'T KNOW!!!

Posted by: Loraine at June 26, 2005 02:25 PM (ywZa8)

155 I would be more than happy to go to Aruba if I had the money. Anyone with me on that? Guess what? There are more people killed in Iraq in recent years than in Aruba. Something else, I hear Natalee's family has money. A POOR WHITE girl no matter what she looks like wouldn't make international or national headlines.

Posted by: Loraine at June 26, 2005 02:39 PM (ywZa8)

156 why aren't the searchers looking for Natalee where she could be held hostage like on a fishing boat or sailboat?

Posted by: dean at June 27, 2005 12:40 AM (ALcgn)

157 Holy Cow I can not believe the filt that is coming out of some of these peoples mouths. How can you justify blaming Natalie for her disappearance, can you be that pitiful of a humanbeing. I belong to a search and rescue group here in Northern Maine, and we are tasked with searching for lost, frightened, injured persons all the time. Some of them end up going for walks and getting lost, but no matter what or how they got lost or injured, there is still that accidental situation than can happen to anyone. Now a days there is no place safe and secure anymore and when you travel you are always subjected to some type of situation. Should she have left her friends no, but how can we sit and say that we were not there, and do not know what was going on. All we can do is go by what we are reading, and what we are seeing on the news, and who is to say that they are correct. People pray for Natalies family and friends, stop being the problem and do something to help find her and return her to her loving family.

Posted by: Randy at June 27, 2005 12:46 AM (/R3yv)

158 THE WORLD IS COMING TO AND END THANKS TO SICK FUCKS LIKE YOU PEOPLE AND THE WORLD'S MOST EVIL AND DANGEROUS TERRORIST..........GEORGE BUSH!!!!!

Posted by: Rufus at June 27, 2005 03:43 AM (xtkbs)

159 HEY....HERE IS AN IDEA FOR YOU TWISTED RIGHT WING FUCKS.....HOW ABOUT TALKING GEORGE BUSH TO ATTACK ARUBA...YOU CAN CONVINCE HIM THAT THEY HAVE WMD'S....OR BETTER YET....THAT THEY ARE AN OIL RICH NATION....WHEN HE FINDS OUT THAT HIS ATTACK WAS UNJUSTIFIED....HE CAN BLAME IT ON POOR INTELLIGENCE....MOST OF YOU SEEM TO SUFFER FROM THAT.

Posted by: Rich at June 27, 2005 03:49 AM (xtkbs)

160 HEY....HERE IS AN IDEA FOR YOU TWISTED RIGHT WING FUCKS.....HOW ABOUT TALKING GEORGE BUSH INTO ATTACK ARUBA...YOU CAN CONVINCE HIM THAT THEY HAVE WMD'S....OR BETTER YET....THAT THEY ARE AN OIL RICH NATION....WHEN HE FINDS OUT THAT HIS ATTACK WAS UNJUSTIFIED....HE CAN BLAME IT ON POOR INTELLIGENCE....MOST OF YOU SEEM TO SUFFER FROM THAT.

Posted by: Rich at June 27, 2005 03:50 AM (xtkbs)

161 HEY....HERE IS AN IDEA FOR YOU TWISTED RIGHT WING FUCKS.....HOW ABOUT TALKING GEORGE BUSH INTO ATTACKING ARUBA...YOU CAN CONVINCE HIM THAT THEY HAVE WMD'S....OR BETTER YET....THAT THEY ARE AN OIL RICH NATION....WHEN HE FINDS OUT THAT HIS ATTACK WAS UNJUSTIFIED....HE CAN BLAME IT ON POOR INTELLIGENCE....MOST OF YOU SEEM TO SUFFER FROM THAT.

Posted by: Rich at June 27, 2005 03:50 AM (xtkbs)

162 Fuck Natalee Halloway that drunken CUNT... He probably got so drunk on cock she drowned in a sea of Aruban JIZZ... I dont care about her ass, if she was here I would cock slap her until she saw my ball sack like stars around her dumb ass head.. Fuck everyone who gives two shita abotu her, may you all die in some sort of nuclear disaster!! Im tired of shit shit... Find her cunt floating in the south atlantic half eaten by sharks, its all I can take!!!

Posted by: FUCK NATALEE at June 27, 2005 03:38 PM (lXef7)

163 To all the fuckers that have said bullshit about natalee. Why dont you just shut the fuck up., You dont even know her. So what If she was at a bar drinking? Isnt that what you do when your 18 and on vacation? I guess you cocksmokes were too busy on the Bush reelection campaign and the only time youve ever gotten laid was with some unsuspecting sheep.I happened to meet my wife at a Carlos and Charlies along with Im sure many other people.I hope that one of you fuckers has a daughter, Im sure she will be 'round the worlding and tossing the salad of every scumbag, herpes infested crack addict town, with parents like you. Typical fucking Bush supporting hippocrits. To Natalees family: I Have hope and prayers that she is being held against her will and she will be found!!

Posted by: martin at June 27, 2005 03:46 PM (tt20n)

164 to whoever posted this: "Fuck Natalee Halloway that drunken CUNT... He probably got so drunk on cock she drowned in a sea of Aruban JIZZ..." you know what boy, you probably have a needle dick. your dick is probably 1/2 inch long. you talk like you're good and all that but you ain't got nothing. sniff my fart you asshole. quit wasting your time here on this sight. you probably better off masturbating. exercise your dick and try to make it longer dumbass.

Posted by: hapsing at June 27, 2005 06:35 PM (9P3Og)

165 I came across this page by chance. I'm certainly interested in all points of view expressed. Some comments are more sensible than others. I agree on these key points: (a) She should have known better than to have gotten herself drunk & in a car with TOTAL STANGERS. Knowing someone for a week doesn't make him you're best pal. (b) If she was black or any other color, we wouldn't be discussing the issue on this site. (c) We shouldn't be jumping to any conclusion right now (kidnapping, rape, murder) 'cus no one has FOUND her, dead or alive. As a women myself, I'm always aware of the dangers around me. People can choose their actions (partying, boozing), but they CANNOT choose the CONSEQUENCES. Parents need to educate their kids, no matter how old they are, to the dangers of life. Just 'cus your 18 doesn't make you an expert on life. Finally, sad to say, there is a perception about white, western (mainly American) women and girls. It is influenced by shows like Baywatch, entertainers like Britney Spears, etc. Need I say more?

Posted by: RDS at June 27, 2005 06:37 PM (/b7gI)

166 I wonder, I don't think that Nathalee had a friend with her,i wonder did she had a room mate? those strange chapperones are very much questionable nobody knows about them? who knows that they did something to her after those boys left her...... Who knows that the father had an enemy that was following her and was waiting to get THE opportunity? put her into a laugage and dompt her in the sea or send the laugage to the USA? another thinking who can say that she's not into a strange cult? those 3 boys are the bad end but is there someone else into this story? magi

Posted by: magi at June 27, 2005 08:18 PM (0lsZa)

167 Wow magi!! You're quite the conspiracy theorist

Not that you don't make some points worth thinking about. The point about the chaperones (did I spell that right?) is something I had on my mind & am belatedly commenting about. Previous posters raised the issue in a very intelligent way. The very purpose of having 'chaperones' is to provide a safety net for the ones being chaperoned!!! Why is it that Natalee was able to just disappear, voluntarily or otherwise, without the knowledge of these so-called 'chaperones'???? Previous posters were right on the mark when they commented on why the adults of this high-school party are not being held more accountable for their actions, or lack of it rather. And, what about Natalee's friends and peers who were with her? Were they so wasted that they didn't notice/care that Natalee left with 3 strangers?? Was there jealousy/rivalry/a score to settle at play here? It's interesting that past comments on this message board have floated around suggestions that maybe investigating authorities should broaden their suspicions to include the entire high school party; and also the possibility that Natalee was abducted and sold into a prostitution ring.

Posted by: RDS at June 27, 2005 08:50 PM (/b7gI)

168 HEY YUOI -- Ã‚Â¿Besa usted a su madre con esa boca?

Posted by: JrzyGrl at June 27, 2005 10:33 PM (hl5vQ)

169 I also came across this site by chance and i am disgusted by a lot of the comments...yes she made a mistake I think we have all came to that conclusion by now. Everyone makes mistakes, everyone who has wrote anything on this site has made a stupid mistake that MAY HAVE gotton them killed one way or another...consider yourself lucky. If you don't care about her, or you think this shouldn't be in the news...then why are you wasting your time writing or reading about it? I don't wish the pain of losing someone close on anyone that wrote ignorant comments on this site but I wish you could understand the pain that her family is feeling or what she might have felt or be feeling ( if she is alive). No one deserves what ever may have happened to her and it's horrible that a lot of you believe she deserves that.

Posted by: kyla at June 28, 2005 02:00 AM (V0HvG)

170 I am a native Arubian woman living in Rotterdam, the Netherlands. I and together with me, all Arubians and Dutch, I am sure, are conceirned and worried about the dissappearance of Natalee Halloway. Aruba is a little island thousands of times smaller than the USA and is part of the Dutch Kingdom. We are a friendly peoply, hospitable and kind. Putting any kind of boycot on Aruba would be like making an Elephant step on an ant. That measure would be unrationable and unlogical. I have read the horrible comments, accusations and prejudices spoken out in this forum. And it made my sick to my stomach. Always remember people: if you point your finger at someone there are always four pointing out at yourself. The truth is that the Dutch Kingdom is a liberated place to live. We care for each other and really believe that it every human being should be able to make their own choices, like gay people being able to marry. But the Dutch kingdom exists of three nations The Netherlands, Aruba and the Dutch Antilles. The whole kingdom has one judicial system, but every country, much like your different states, have the possibility of creating their own laws. On Aruba for example it is not allowed to smoke marihuana or to marry if you are gay, while this is legal in Holland. And we are happy with this, because these are our laws and we have to live by them. If we come to the US you would also want us to abide and respect your system even if we may not agree with it. So we ask no more of you. Yes, it is true that our judicial system differs from the American. A suspect can only be detained if there is a reasonable suspicion as to his involvement in a certain case. And there is no possibility of posting bale to get out pending the investigation. We have no D.A. that are elected and choose to put more emphasis on certain cases because these cases can make their reputations grow. Our D.A. is called an officer of justice and is appointed for life as are the judges, who also are independant. And in our Kingdom it would never be possible for a suspect to make deals with the public office. We prefer to not to send innocent people to jail based on simple presumptions and careless investigation. The public office in Aruba is doing all they can to handle this case with as much care and prudence as possible. I hope that Natalee is found soon alive and well. And I hope that America starts using her powerful mediatools to combat her own problems and to effectively help other countries. America is not the world but part of the world. I send U all me love and my prayers go out to the family. may she be found soon.

Posted by: Virginia at June 28, 2005 04:59 AM (68XF/)

171 i think that natalee girl is hiding somewhere becuase im an aruban citizen and im woried about something did you not red in the papers what she wrote under her yearbook picture and what her mother wrote on the reward flyers

Posted by: George at June 28, 2005 08:42 AM (uGZcm)

172 George - no I did not hear this. Can you fill us in?

Posted by: Kandy at June 28, 2005 09:05 AM (WHtfA)

173 Ok I just went to search for this info on my own. The quote that was in Natalee's high school yearbook came from the Lynard Skynard song "Freebird". It read, ""If I leave here tomorrow, would you still remember me? For I must be traveling on now, there's too many places I haven't seen."

Posted by: Kandy at June 28, 2005 09:11 AM (WHtfA)

174 This is a very tragic story. I do not think it is fair to label anyone as "stupid". When not one of us are perfect. Being 21, I have made plenty of mistakes of my own. Many of them being when I was under the influence. This case has caught my attention and taught me a lesson; if I ever plan to travel in a foreign country. I'm a mother myself and can not begin to imagine the emotions that Natalee's family, friends, and community are going through. I do not have a lot of money but if anyone knows a way that I can help please let me know. I know a bunch of people who would like to. My prayers are with you! Jessica Rice308@hotmail.com

Posted by: Jessica at June 28, 2005 11:04 AM (zwQuj)

175 Jessica, I commend you on your efforts. It is nice to see that some people are still using their energy for good things in the Natalee Holloway case. Your post is refreshing!

Kandy

Posted by: Kandy at June 28, 2005 11:33 AM (WHtfA)

176 Ok, lets face it i dont want to be rude and uncaring like most of you people on here have shown me, But if you read the headlines in the news online and tv Mr. Croes had his boat parked in front of the Holiday Inn that Natalee was staying at for one. That is a little hint, Secondly Joran Vander sloot is the son of a high ranking official judge of Aruba, so if he goes down (orhis dad) there is going to be some after math andthat will make aruba look even worse. Thirdly, During the interview of Paul Van Der SLoot he was reported to be sweating profously and almost shaky at times, hmmm ....... ALSO lets not forget that the 2 surnamise boys lied abuot the story to do what?.....PROTECT JORAN, and WHY? BECAUSE OF HIS FAMILY IN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND HOW IT WOULD AFFECT THE GOVERNENT OF ARUBA. Just like when you hear a government scandal here in the US, it doesnt go far at all, and if it does its not public. ANd everyone denies it as much as they can, because bad new is bad pubblicity and that hurts everyone.It might not be fun to hear, but we dont live in a perfect world. Continuing about Natalee, a few years back another american was kidnaped and they never found her until 5 years later when she was spotted off the coast of colombia working at a brothel. Again why didnt they bring the dogs out right ater this happened and why didnt they search the house of Paul and Joran van der sloot right after this happened???? And Right when this happened they were saying on the news that there was red blood-like stains in the BACKSEAT of the surnamises twins car, HELLO??????? They sent that over to get tested at a dutch lab, Now WHATEVER HAPPENED DO THAT??? I never heard about that again. And i probably wont. Now it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out what happened, this pretty young, white, american, girl probably got kidnapped and sent to work in a prostitution ring/brothel revolving around money and/or drugs and its probably near or in colombia, or perhaps in Asia. I doubt that she is dead but shes not in aruba most likely. And to think if paul van der sloot is behind this it would ruin his career wouldnt it?? think about it.................

Posted by: Paula at June 28, 2005 12:49 PM (cYDOr)

177 I totally agree Paula. I know that it is a cover up. It has to be. Those kids are scared to death of ruining Dad's career and name. I know that where I grew up, my dad's job was on the line if I did something wrong.I knew I would get my ass kicked if he did lose his job because of something I did stupid. So, Joran is thinking, 'oh shit, my dad is going to lose his job'. Why did he change his story when his dad got taken into custody. I could care less about Paul's career. To me, it should already be ruined. Even if he doesn't know anything, he still raised a son that won't come out with the truth. He should be encouraging his son to tell the truth. Has he even made one remark to Joran about 'Son, just tell them, who cares about my job'. No, I didn't think so. She is out there somewhere. Just where. It is killing me to know that she may be in some slave ring or prostitution and nobody can find her. Bless her and her family.

Posted by: lisa at June 28, 2005 02:21 PM (nPpj+)

178 just drop the fucking bomb on aruba so they all will dissapear lol

Posted by: bob at June 28, 2005 04:09 PM (5BxRY)

179 This is a dangerous world wherever you are. Girls are date-raped in the USA--their drinks are drugged--and drunk women always are taken advantage of. When you leave this country it can be a lot worse. I sympathize with the people from Aruba; I've never been there, but I know how a country can be smeared by the actions of a few. I visited Jamaica twice. Visitors to some countries have stereotyped the natives--example: tourists are looking for a "no problem, everything goes, let's get stoned and party" Jamaica, and tour operators and some hotels sell that. Most Jamaicans want to be respected and treated fairly. Don't condemn Aruba for the actions of (possibly) some Arubans. Also, women are valuable property in the sex trade, and it IS possible this girl was taken. Sex slavery is alive and thriving, and vulnerable, naive, girls and women are targeted. My suggestion, wherever you are, is to control your behavior and not put yourselves in potentially dangerous situations. Terrible things can happen very quickly. I have in my heart good wishes for this girl; I also feel dread.

Posted by: Tom at June 28, 2005 09:18 PM (l9GAc)

180 I can't belive some of the things you all are saying.Anyone who has kids should feel some kind of heatache,no matter the bad choices she mad when she was just beinnig her new life.She was a bright and beatiful young women with a whole new world ahead of her reguardless of her color,age or if you think she was just (dumd)her mother will proably never kiss her goodnite again!!!Her mother needs peace in knowing where she is or what happen to her.god bless her because or her I will always rember you can't trust anyone and because of that my girls will forever rember natlee.

Posted by: amy7503 at June 28, 2005 10:46 PM (hAnJ+)

181 Instead of people writing words of encouragement to the family, they are wasting time by pointing fingers to this and pointing fingers to that. A real shame!

Posted by: geri at June 28, 2005 11:05 PM (geFjT)

182 WORDS OF ENCOURAGEMENT: You go Mrs. Halloway (Mother) Do whatever it takes to keep Natalee's picture and story alive in the eyes of all. It's because of you, and your strength to push and pressure all envolved for answers that will soon come for all to see. A Mother loves her child no matter what they do. No matter what others may say. A Mother never turns her back to look the other way. A Mother stands up and does't sit down. God Bless You, Don't let up.....

Posted by: tammy at June 29, 2005 10:39 AM (rYuO+)

183 you should all back off off natalie! how dare you judge her, are you the smartest person in the world?do you never make a mistake?she obviously wasnt dumb she was an honor student. but she will recive justice god watches all ! and the bratty little dutch boy will get whats coming to him,his daddy cant get him out of this one! please to natalies family i hope you find her dead or alive for your piece of mind and soul.my prayers are with you and natlalie. just remeber god loves natalie he created her u and me , and he wont allow this injustice go. do you guys remember the other girl that went missing in aruba like 5 years ago? she went to that same bar......

Posted by: april at June 29, 2005 10:59 AM (0/jAz)

184 ...we hear so many opinions and twists in the case of Natalee Halloway, but let us never forget that from the moment of conception we are all vulnerable to anything at any given time. We should not cast judgement on Natalee, for we do not know what her condition was as the time when last seen by her friends. Perhaps she was drugged? Perhaps just a typical 18 year old that thinks no harm could never come to her..bad things can never happen to us, of course. Bottom line is..no one deserves to have their life taken away by another person..only God has the right to call us home when he sees fit. We are have become a world that coddles criminals and we make excuses for their horribles actions. We torture the victims over and over again..not to mention the hell we allow their loved ones to endure. It's a sad world that we have become..horrific acts of hate and crime all over the world..even mother nature spews out her ugly upon us..I really think we are living in the last days..let us all pray for Natalee..her family..and the the criminals find it in their hearts to come foreward and cleanse their souls now, because sooner or later, the criminals will have to come to terms with what they did..I would think repentance prior to meeting your maker would be the honorable thing to do..but then their is no honor in making a crime against another...may God bless us all! maggie

Posted by: thelilbeauti at June 29, 2005 11:02 AM (OOM7t)

185 April, what other girl? If is was Amy Bradley, she was on a cruise and dissappeared from the ship. She didn't go to that bar.

Posted by: lisa at June 29, 2005 11:06 AM (nPpj+)

186 I wish that everyone on here would stop with the racial comments. 'If she were black we wouldn't even be talking about this'. Come on. that is a bunch of horseshit. What about the three boys from New Jersey. Were they a white young woman? No. They made headlines and are still there too. It is a sad sad place that this world has come to. After all that we have all been through over the last century and people are still making comments like that. You people that are still stuck back in time, you need to get a grip on life. If you have so much hatred keep it to yourself. This is about a girl who is missing and her parents are terrified of the outcome. White, Black, Hispanic, Aruban- we all have children that we would be just as worried about. We would all want to have an answer. And we would definantly all want support from everyone that was willing.

Posted by: Dawn at June 29, 2005 12:34 PM (a5dZQ)

187 Message to Dawn: It really isn't 'horseshit' to raise the issue of Natalee's race in this matter. Check news articles online & you'll see plenty of people (Professional media watchdogs & analysts) commenting on the relative lack of coverage for missing MINORITY women. It's not just a coincidence. It's a FACT. Sure, no one (expect, maybe, the truely heartless & brainless) would deny that this is a major tragedy. But, thousands (yes, thousands) of people of ALL COLORS go missing in the U.S. ALL THE TIME. So, why this type of NATIONAL NEWS attention for Natalee Holloway alone? It's not just about race. It's about age, class, and sexuality, too. Most missing persons are MEN. I've never heard of a MAN get the kind of publicity that Natalee, Laci (Peterson), Lori (Hacking), Elizabeth (Smart), Jennifer (dumbass runaway bride) Wilbanks, need I go on, is/was getting. John Kerry was right. There really are TWO AMERICAS. One for the average joe/jane & one for the priviledged (usually upper middle-class, WHITE) people who get all the press & media attention. This is also about TV networks vying for ratings & catering to their biggest demographic, which happens to be WHITE people; who would naturally identify with WHITE victims over non-white ones. I'm NOT saying that makes them racist & uncaring. It's just HUMAN NATURE. The press & media are just capitalizing on it. Some people should STOP PRETENDING that they care so much. In a few weeks the media is going to move on to the next big story. And, so is everybody else. Why don't people focus on teaching their kids the do's & dont's of personal safety, & acquaint them with the tough, dangerous realities of life?Just because you have academic smarts, doesn't make you an intelligent human being. And, also, people should STOP PRETENDING that they know the characters involved in this drama (victim, suspects, parents) PERSONALLY. We ONLY know what the MEDIA tells us. Pretty reliable, huh?????????????

Posted by: RDS at June 29, 2005 01:12 PM (/b7gI)

188 This is a comment to the prick and pricks who put down Natalee..you people sound like you are the ones in need of serious help!!!! Especially in the area of compassion and concern..You pricks are fools!!!!!Too!!! You sound jealous of Natalee just because she has done something in her life that is way above average and she is going places!!! You fools and Jerks are critizing her because you have made nothing of your lives!!!..and you are miserable with yourselves!!! Peole who have made something of themselves don't put down constructive people like you have!!!!You feel better by demonizing an innocent more than likely dead young woman with very concerned parents ,friends and a whole community!!! You guys are pricks ,assholes and jerks because you are the LOSERS!!!!! I pray you do not get any help when you are rendered helpless and dependent upon others for mercy and kindness..be thankful I am not your judge..because I think I would have to stick it up all your asses!! May God be with you Natalee..we care about you and pray for your safe return..let victimizers and accusers be caught and condemned for violating your human rights moral boundaries....WE will pray ...God bless all the rescuer's and helpers in the finding you..... Siging off as one very concerned American,,Tim,Oregon

Posted by: tim at June 29, 2005 09:55 PM (uS3gW)

189 where i'm from (nyc) girls are slipped date rape drugs all the time. depending on the dose, you can appear to be drunk and carefree. in the beginning of this case there was a woman interviewed that said she saw natalee in the loo with a few of her girlfriends who were asking her if she was o.k., and telling her to pull herself together. sounds to me like someone had slipped her a small dose. why is nobody in the media bringing up the fact, or rumor, that the chief of police is van der sleezes' god father? how about van der sleeze and anger management issues? did these vanish over night like natalee did? what about the fact that van der sleeze had a video of he and some friends involved in a prior gang rape of a young girl? if you want to commit murder, beat the system, and walk away a free man...move to aruba.

Posted by: sue at June 30, 2005 05:08 AM (FTP60)

190 rofl why is everyone saying Pray for this and for that? like that will help. Besides, all this media crap is way too overrated for this case. All around the world people go missing every day, but *this* story has to be made huge. Just cause she's young, blonde, and, obviously, a USA citizen. Overrated story, should be local news imo. Ofcourse, sad for the family, but since I don't know them I don;t care tbh. Same as almost everyone on this site doesn't actually care since he/she doesn't know her.

Posted by: Taeglian at June 30, 2005 07:47 AM (9j3lk)

191 I think so much is clear by all these posts there are people you would care to have as friends and there are people who are so twisted and hateful. Jamul- You act as if you are so hip to the world and the tragedies, you even mention a sister in law and yet all of this gives you nothing. You come on here and show you are just the same as all those who torture and rape your own sisters and brothers...you are part of the whole problem. I do pray for Natalie and Ann and their families and for a whole world of people being hurt and neglected. And these crimes take place everywhere. Where ever you find men you find these sorts of crimes. It is after all the common link that I find. And of course as we read there are plenty of women who seem to like aligning them selves with them and also there are lot's of men who choose not to align them selves with the criminal no matter where they are Aruba or your home or back yard.

Posted by: Leslie at June 30, 2005 01:56 PM (2afCH)

192 I am so angry at all of the negative comments that people are saying about Natalee. You all should be ashamed of yourselves. Remember this is a girl that could be hurt somewhere, dead or even being tortured as we speak. Have some pitty for her and her family. You never know what is going on. Also just remember, if you don't like what you are watching, reading, or listening to just turn the chanel. After all you do have the right to do so!!!!!

Posted by: robin tubbs at June 30, 2005 02:26 PM (EZmj/)

193 What really gets me peeved is all these people that come on and say stuff like just because she is beautiful and blond and american that this is not news. They act like they care about something else but here is their opportunity to show it and discuss and find perhaps a way to increase help to the people who go hurt and unnoticed and unsupported or helped. There are beautiful blonds that go with out help there are beautiful africans that go with out help and people all over going with out help. IT is a problem that more people who can should care about and do more to help and prevent from happening.

Posted by: Leslie at June 30, 2005 03:20 PM (2afCH)

194 First of all, BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER. Secondly, how come we don't hear about any 'beautiful africans that go with out help'?????????????????????????? CAN ANYONE NAME A FAMOUS MISSING AFRICAN WOMEN???????????????????????????????????? People of ALL COLORS go missing EVERY DAY. How do you explain the fact that we don't hear about EACH & EVERY ONE OF THEM????????????????????????? Someone made the comment earlier that this should be LOCAL NEWS. PERIOD. Why don't people focus on American military men & women who are DYING EVERY DAY in defense of those at home. Yeah, those of us who have the 'life & liberty' to post messages on this site, & live our lives in peace.

Posted by: RDS at June 30, 2005 06:16 PM (/b7gI)

195 Is RDS saying that because one single persons plight is suffered be multitudes who have not made headline that it should be stuck back under the one line in the local paper that nobody reads. So that then it's back to NO news at all about anything like this. Of course news should cover all individuals. The NY Times magazine about a year ago did an expose on human trafficing in the US. There it was New York Times...Why didn't every reader of the TIMES begin to do something demand more investigations maybe build sanctuaries and find ways to find people. Some people said they didn't believe the author. Did I even know of have the stuff that went on in this country to the degree it does from the news papers no...I learn from people and organization set up so at least there is some help if someone can get there. There is a "famous" if that's what you want to call it Pakistani woman who has somehow made it to court to convict the men who violated and assualted how did her story get to the news media ... should we say it should go back to the local paper only. What about the hundreds of sudanese women getting attacked going for fire wood...oh and even before that so many of them had clitoreses removed by there "'elders" . What about the girls and guys getting druged and raped at the club by your house. So here someone goes again since every single incident is not being given due, sweep the one that is, that could be used to bring up the world issue under the table. Well obviously this one woman and her mother have somehow got the front page news. The front page every day should be showing what goes on in this country in terms of crimes to humanity. How about all the people who get injured and assualted, caused so much horror and pain by someone at their high school or college and then they take him to court and still can't get a conviction. And how about what is so wrong with the ones who choose to go aga0nst others will. What is their problem by the way? Perhaps it's all part of the same thing. Perhaps we can find the answer to why all this happens. Even why there's people dying in an Irag war, that by the way has increased the number of women missing and abducted there I have read. Maybe the answer is in all these mean spirited and sick reactions to one individuals plight. And the hope is in all the supportive and positive posts. Because I bet that no matter where or who someone was... if one of these people who write supportively they would be the ones to offer anyone support and those mean spirited people are probable the ones maybe even doing the assualting.

Posted by: Leslie at June 30, 2005 10:19 PM (F75mc)

196 Bottom Line: Things only get noticed & given attention when it happens to the priviledged members of society. There have been plenty of people who went missing before Natalee, there'll be plenty of people who go missing after Natalee. What this case boils down to is personal responsibility & awareness regarding personal safety. I've not let those what-were-they-thinking 'chaperones' off the hook, either. EVERYONE involved should have being much more aware of the dangers (date rape, date rape drugs, the effects of underage teens mixing boozing & partying, etc.) Whether you're in NYC, Aruba, or China for that matter, it basically comes down to the same thing. Just 'cus you're on vacation, doesn't mean that you should let your guard down. Or, that you're immune to danger & evil. Previous posters have made the arguement that it's only natural for people, esp. teens, to make mistakes because of their youth & inexperience. That logic does not hold up in the court of reality, sorry. Making mistakes is one thing, but NO ONE, not even young, well-to-do, Americans, is INVINCIBLE. No matter who you are, you CANNOT escape the CONSEQUENCES of your own poor judgments & short-sighted actions. You can make all the mistakes you want in life. That, in itself, doesn't justify being victimized. However, you'll still have to face the effects. No matter you're age, race, gender, status, whatever. That's the law of nature, life, whatever you wanna call it. For those who say, well, Natalee was 18 & an adult, so she could do whatever she wanted...that's total BS. 18 doesn't make you an adult. It takes a whole lot more than that. Why have the chaperones accompany them, then??????? Some people pay a heavy price for ignorance & carelessness. It's harsh, yes. But, that's life.

Posted by: RDS at July 01, 2005 11:05 AM (/b7gI)

197 By the way, I'm NOT DEFENDING the suspects who are currently in custody. Whether they're innocent or guilty, only time will tell. They sure don't come off looking too good in this matter. One of them, or all of them, knows more than their letting on. You get plenty of sleaze balls out there, just waiting for the chance to take advantage of, or outright victimize, unsuspecting people. EVERYONE, both young & old, should be AWARE of that, AND take the necessary PRECAUTIONS. Please, people, let's all be AWARE of REALITIES. Just 'cus someone has looks, a good academic record, and a dad who's a respected member of the community (like, say, a judge)...it may not exactly make him PRINCE CHARMING. Of course, Natalee's mum's courage & determination are to be admired & respected. That goes without saying. Still, those 'chaperones' & fellow high-school graduates have a lot to answer for. WHY WEREN'T THEY LOOKING OUT FOR HER??????????

Posted by: RDS at July 01, 2005 11:44 AM (/b7gI)

198 Like I said before there is an expose of the bigger picure going on here. Don't people know any better not to blame Natalee. This girl was involved in friendship exchange programs. This is not about only her drinking. She apparently cared about people and other cultures. The issue is the Netherlands. The corruption of illegal activity in the justice system to cover up quasi government in Aruba through the Netherlands who probably are involved with the U.N. and terr. cell activities. The Lord is aware of the drug smuggling culture in these many countries. First, what any of these countries need is the blessing of the Lord not lying justice systems that rely on legalizing things that would be illegal in the US. It sounds to me parts of Aruba and the Netherlands are sold out to lies. I pray for spiritual clarity into these countries to expose the truth of this nonsense.

Posted by: chelle at July 01, 2005 03:03 PM (kJCGI)

199 My daughter came up with a comment I think holds true in this case. Day to day it is much like a "Reality TV Show" I am hooked on the story, and like the rest, have a theory. Maybe we watch to see if we are going to be proved right? Mine is Paul Vander Sloot, came to the aid of his son, put the body in the trunk and one of his influentail friends flew her to another small Island in a plane where she is buried properly, for all times sake.I don't think any we cold blooded murderers, and only that is was drunken kids , sex out of control, and maybe a hand over Natalee's mouth where she expired from lack of oxygen. I watch every single day to find out what happened. You too? I feel so bad for the mother, and I thik Greta Van Sestrin will solve the case eventually!!!! Poor Natalee.

Posted by: Lois at July 01, 2005 04:27 PM (pO1tP)

200 My daughter came up with a comment I think holds true in this case. Day to day it is much like a "Reality TV Show" I am hooked on the story, and like the rest, have a theory. Maybe we watch to see if we are going to be proved right? Mine is Paul Vander Sloot, came to the aid of his son, put the body in the trunk and one of his influentail friends flew her to another small Island in a plane where she is buried properly, for all times sake.I don't think any were cold blooded murderers, and only that it was drunken kids , sex out of control, and maybe a hand over Natalee's mouth where she expired from lack of oxygen. I watch every single day to find out what happened. You too? I feel so bad for the mother, and I thik Greta Van Sestrin will solve the case eventually!!!! Poor Natalee.

Posted by: Lois at July 01, 2005 04:28 PM (pO1tP)

201 "Have you ever thought about the other girl that was missing since 1998?" No they haven't, Depakote, because she wasn't a hottie. Sad but true.

Posted by: meh at July 01, 2005 04:30 PM (oRrRr)

202 god bless natalee and her family and dear friends!!! i pray for her safe return and strength for her family!!!god bless all the people that are helping to search for her. keep strong!!! also pity the shameful people that have nothing but hurtful things to say about this young girl!!!you all should really take a good look at yourselves and pray that nothing STUPID ever happens to your PERFECT ASSES!!!!!

Posted by: mary at July 01, 2005 05:01 PM (M7kiy)

203 Everybody take care of your friends, yourself and also think of how to contribute to making a better society. Hold close to your intuition and act on it even if you hear your mind trying to talk yourself out of heeding that inner knowing. Natalee is either alive and she has God with her. Or she is deceased and is with GOd. But take a good look at this father and the son and see the faces of people who could really be ones responsible with no ability to feel fully for other people something wrong there. Regarding the attitudes expressed here: Compassion and Wisdom prevail amongst the jerks. I can't believe this quote from lois above. "not cold blooded murderes...sex out of control...maybe a hand over Natalee's mouth..." That is not sex that is premeditated murder. If people want sex they have sex no body gets hurt no hands over mouths. Where did you get this idea of unintentional acts of brutality and unintentional acts againstanothers will. They know what they are doing. Rape and suffication would be murder. This kinda crap is premeditated. And the rapists love it when people say stuff to minimalize thier crimes like 'it was unintentional and was all about wild sex'. And that a father covering up a son's crime would be normal. BULL Enough of this discussion. PEACE

Posted by: Leslie at July 01, 2005 07:16 PM (F75mc)

204 She was spotted in Venezuela on Friday in a whore house. That's where she belongs anyway that stupid southern bitch. He mom is pathetic and her stepmom used to be a street walker in birmingham.

Posted by: Pete at July 02, 2005 06:55 AM (rIkJf)

205 Why do Americans think that this kind of things don't happen in America? I see a lot of people react very negatively on Aruba and The Netherlands. How hypocrite!!! America is the most dangerous country in the world, take for instance a city like Baltimore, it's about the same size like Rotterdam in The Netherlands. Baltimore has in one year more than twice as many murders as we have in the whole country. We have somewhere around 140 murders a year, how dare you to point a finger to our justice system!!! Our drugs and alcohol law may be very liberal but we keep our people alive. Now it went wrong with an American girl and I even read a comment from a person who wanted to start an airstrike and take Aruba from the dutch. Please first solve the problems in your own sick country before you say those nasty things about us!

Posted by: wesley at July 02, 2005 08:11 AM (8Rxp0)

206 Pete- You are a pathetic piece of loser crap. There are two things you might benefit from a labotomy and or sterilization. If those things arn't immediately available to you please check yourself into an institutuion soon before you end up dead from someone who can't stand your crap. *I am using the term labotomy non seriously, I do not condone labotomies on anyone but this guy is seriously messed up*

Posted by: Leslie at July 02, 2005 09:04 AM (F75mc)

207 People on this site don't seem to care about discussing the real issues. They only seem to want to trade insults. That's why these message boards are so popular, then. Not 'cus of any GENUINE concern for the victim(s). Oh, by the way, let's not have the pot calling the kettle black. Bad things happen EVERYWHERE. Doesn't make the inhabitants of that country evil. If that's the case, then AMERICA is right up there with the best of them.

Posted by: RDS at July 02, 2005 09:15 AM (/b7gI)

208 I don't think this crime (if there was one) was premeditated. It is hard to think 3 boys would all agree to take a girl somewhere and murder her. I still hold to unfortunate death ( if she is dead)resulting from drunken actions, by Joran, and possible drug involvement leading to Natalee's demise.It is just terrible, and Joran needs to go to prison!! Now,-- She could have died of alcohol poisoning, drug overdose or in a passed out condition regurgitaing her own vomit to the lungs. This happens all the time. The boy (boys?) probably freaked. Once you tell a lie, you weave a web of deception around yourself which eventually unravels. I am not so quick to call this premeditated murder. Cover=up for sure. And Joran my have been the one responsible for her death. But a drunk 17 yr, old, regardless of his size, is still a child under law. (in a man's body--no excusses tho) He needs to do time, but need to do the time for the right aspect of the crime. Untill I hear otherwise, I can honestly believe in the possibility this was not a premeditated murder. Call me a "bleeding heart" --but you need to at least consider that there were some kind of "circumstances" other than murder and rape coming to mind first. I am all for strong prison time if it is shown he was determined to murder this young woman. I could be all wrong with what I said--but teen drinking, drugs and sex are a blueprint for disaster as far as I see it.

Posted by: Lois at July 02, 2005 11:54 AM (M7kiy)

209 I think some of you are very sick. It's not Natalee's fault or her parents or her friends fault. It's the sick scum bag that did this to her. I mean you can't blame her because she was drunk. I'm always hearing people around here saying, I can't wait until I turn 21 so I can go out and drink all night. I hear I have friends that buy me alcohol since I'm under 21. People under 21 also say, I want to go to another country because you only have to be 18 to drink. I'm sure all the people who have wrote very nasty harsh thing about Natalee have got drunk and or worse. I just hope that they find her so her family and friends can have peace. I'm sick of hearing people say if she was black or if she wasn't a pretty blonde then this story wouldn't be all over the news. People need to grow up. If they are so sick and tired of hearing about Natalee then why are they going online and reading this about her? If Natalee's parents read this which I hope they don't, because of the sick things posted on here. I really hope they find her and that she is ok. And for the people that said she wanted to get gangbanged. Whatever!! No woman wants to be raped. I think she was drugged.

Posted by: Jamie at July 02, 2005 12:13 PM (M7kiy)

210 From reading Isaiah 42:3-4 He will be faithful and make everything right. He will not grow weak or lose hope. He will not give up until he makes everything right on the earth. The islands will put their hope in his law.

Posted by: chelle at July 02, 2005 12:15 PM (kJCGI)

211 Ugh I keep coming back to this site! It's because what I see here is such a cross section of comments. I hope, and encourage, that people who come here and read will do is perhaps look into your own communities, especially perhaps give some support to the rape crisis centers in your town or city. Because what you read and see here is a sliver of what people go though in America. God Bless. It's really good to here from the people who have support and love in their hearts. Just reading your posts makes me feel better. Or there are organizations to combat human trafficing. That could be one good from the media coverage is if everyone gives in some support.

Posted by: Leslie at July 02, 2005 01:59 PM (F75mc)

212 This site is like crack. I keep coming for more. I have the need to respond to comments made by two posters. First, Jamie, please don't assume that EVERYONE approaching 18 to 21 (or even past it) wants to go out & get totally wasted. There's a big difference between social drinking & getting so wasted that you start taking dangerous risks. Of course, there's a strong possibility that Natalee was drugged. Still, it all comes back to the point I raised earlier. WHY WEREN'T THE 'CHAPERONES' AND 'FRIENDS' LOOKING OUT FOR HER?????????????? Second, Lois, I agree with what you said only at the very end. 'Teen drinking, drugs, and sex are a blueprint for disaster'. Sure, the people who are responsible for her disappearance are bad & need to be punished. THAT GOES WITHOUR SAYING. NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND SHOULD DEFEND THEM. HOWEVER, WHEN YOU PLAY WITH FIRE, GET READY TO BE BURNT. Personal responsibility for one's safety cannot be taken out of the equation.

Posted by: RDS at July 02, 2005 08:46 PM (/b7gI)

213 You know, we cannot assume she was raped and murdered to begin with--unless you have heard more news reports than I. If she passed out on the beach, and Joran, being a "cad" left her (unlikely, but no one , absolutely no one knows for positive) some demented half-wit could have taken here--and she could still be alive.

Posted by: Lois at July 02, 2005 10:43 PM (6krEN)

214 Sorry typo above -- I meant to say "Some demented half-wit could have taken HER and she could still be alive"

Posted by: Lois at July 02, 2005 10:45 PM (6krEN)

215 I have had I theory almost from the beginning. I feel strongly that it's true. I am not trying to be mystical, but this is what happened: Natalie got "cuddly" plans for the Dutch 17 yr. old (JURIN VanderSloot). That was fine with him only he was with two buddies. So, Although she thought she was getting dropped off for time alone with Jurin, The real plan was for three boys all DOING Natalie consentually or consentual induced. They found Natalie resistant to their three at a time sex plan and sedated her with to much sedative drug and she died while being raped or, they raped her and she died during the attack by choking on her on her own vomit. IF She was conscious enough from her drinking and possible drugging to know what was going on it is highly likely that she may have vomitted. Which of those guys are going to pay attention to a little throwing up, in the dark night, while your trying to get your rocks off? By the time anyone noticed, she was dead and full of their DNA. They ditched her in a deep hole that is covered and pretty well sealed. I don't have a feeling about if the body will be found or if the boys will be convicted. They raped her and killed her in their rape. They didn't start with intention to kill, but they killed her through cruel abuse and rape. Signs are pointing to my theory, just keep it in mind. Remember, anything we have heard so far may be a lie.

Posted by: Craig at July 03, 2005 03:47 AM (pO1tP)

216 hey RDS!, are you a racist?

Posted by: hapsing at July 03, 2005 10:22 AM (9P3Og)

217 No, sweetie. Not a racist. Just a realist. Can ANYONE name a NON-WHITE woman gone missing in the recent past, who received the SAME type of NATIONAL COVERAGE reserved for Natalee, Laci, Lori, Elizabeth, Jennifer (runaway dumbass),...??????????????????????????????? Give me just ONE name, & I'll take back EVERYTHING I've said in my posts. C'mon, hapsing. You, too. Give me A NAME. Remember, she's gotta be COLORED.

Posted by: RDS at July 03, 2005 11:46 AM (/b7gI)

218 Has anyone noticed how some of the posters here have this strange sort of writing that seems like they sexualize rape? Which might just be the problem many males have no sexual knowing, ability and understanding. Some people here post in anger at someone having a healthy sexuality...they must not ever experienced healthy real sexual experience, maybe come from a bad home environment, and are angry and take it out on the thought of someone else having it or feeling it. And many people act like oh that's understandable and like yeah thats just the way it is..."Consentual Induced" As if that is something that could ever exist. Since that was written by a man maybe he has some insight into a brain warp that might exist. SOme guys are just skewered and cut off from GOD or NATURE or both. Actaully I get the creeps from Craigs posting. I am not inclined to think that the other boys had anything to do with it. (maybe) but when I read that they first said they all dropped her off at the beach - It seemed like maybe they thought they could cover for the one guy but after arrested they finnally said they dropped her off with Jordan. I think she was mostlikely drugged at club because I bet she would have not gone with them out of the club without telling her friends or someone. That just my gut reaction. Well happy indepencence day. Sounds like what's needed is some sexual independence and love. It's just such a tragedy of the species.

Posted by: Leslie at July 03, 2005 12:22 PM (F75mc)

219 Having a 'healthy sexuality' is fine. No problem with that. But, let's NOT confuse that with getting wasted, putting yourself in risky situations (having a date rape drug slipped into your drink at a bar known for its seedy reputation...then again, don't all bars fit that description), & going off with strangers. Whether Natalle was out of it due to her own drinking or as a result of being (possibly) drugged, is still a matter of debate. Nevertheless, why were all those kids allowed to hang out at such a place in the first place? Isn't there anything else to do in Aruba besides get pissed drunk? Obviously, a lot of teenagers and/or young adults, whether American or otherwise, only want to visit countries and/or places where there's nothing else to do but get wasted, stoned, and laid. I'm no holy roller. I couldn't care about the choices people make. Do whatever. Free country, right? HOWEVER, like I keep saying over & over again, you CANNOT CHOOSE THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR CHOICES. I guess some of us will never see eye-to-eye on this issue. A whole combination of factors doomed Natalee. All women need to be well aware that this could happen to them, whether in Aruba or America or where ever there are horny, perverted men and boys. A man with character, integrity, & decency doesn't need to 'drug' a woman in order to enjoy her company. It's a total, not to mention, harmful myth out there that all women like/want the company of bad boys. If a man chooses to treat a woman with respect & care, then any intelligent woman will recognize his worth, and reward him accordingly. And, when I say 'reward', it's not just meant to be sexually!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! By the way, no one has come up with a name of a well known missing WOMAN OF COLOR?????????????? I'm still waiting.......................

Posted by: RDS at July 03, 2005 01:41 PM (/b7gI)

220 I fear we may never know what happened to Natalee, and the guilty never brought to justice.That is the bottom line. Speculation is all we have going back and forth. So, may those responsible for what part they may have in her disappearance eventually come forth. May their concience cause then to "twist in the wind" until they confess. Mayve unrealistic to hope for--but "God works in strange ways his wonders to perform". I'll bet we all can "amen" that!

Posted by: Lois at July 03, 2005 01:57 PM (6krEN)

221 I think that what happened to this girl is a tragedy and my heart goes out to her family, but thousands, probably millions of people of color go missing every year and are never acknowledged. I think that it' a shame that she gets all this acknolegement.Why is her life so special? She went out and partied and got herself into trouble and I feel sorry for her, but some people get picked up in the streets or taken from their homes and they aren't even recognized by "white" society. I would never wish bad on anyone but I just wish that society and the media would look outside the spectrum just once and realize that the world does not revolve around blonde hair and blue eyes.

Posted by: shoelace at July 03, 2005 03:52 PM (M7kiy)

222 so RDS, are you saying that this country is racist since they only look for missing white people and not worry about minorities?

Posted by: hapsing at July 03, 2005 05:10 PM (9P3Og)

223 Free those boys now. THey didn't do anything. I know hem and they are good fine boys. That slut ran away to Venezuela so she could make the big bucks as a call girl, prostitute. She si just like that runaway bride. In a few months she will be writing a book too and make $1 million USA dollars. Freedon to Joran and the brothers, they should sue those Twitty bastards from the Alabama hicks and take all of their American money Theu Dutch know when they are being scammed by those Alabama Clampetts Viva Joran

Posted by: sammy at July 03, 2005 05:22 PM (wF+oZ)

224 hey sammy, how do you know these boys? have you had an orgy with them?

Posted by: hapsing at July 03, 2005 06:52 PM (9P3Og)

225 Bravo to shoelace. Couldn't have said it better myself. And, hapsing, why answer a question with a question? I answered yours about the racist part. (In case you didn't read my comment, or didn't understand it, I said that I was not a racist. Just a realist

) How come you haven't answered my question? Name a NATIONALLY KNOWN COLORED (meaning NON-WHITE) woman whose gone missing in the past. What's the matter, hapsing? Having trouble coming up with the answer??????????????????????? C'mon, you can do it

I was just looking again at your last comment, hapsing, & you pretty much admit that this country only looks for missing white people & not worry about minorities. I'm still waiting for my answer, hapsing, sweetie. Don't let me down, ok?

Posted by: RDS at July 03, 2005 09:07 PM (/b7gI)

226 Bravo to shoelace. That's just what I've been saying all along. And, hapsing, why answer a question with a question? I answered yours about the racist part. (In case you didn't read my comment, or didn't understand it, I said that I was not a racist. Just a realist

Posted by: RDS at July 03, 2005 09:16 PM (/b7gI)

227 What I dont understand that if they think that these 3 boys know something , then why aren't they pressured to give answers. Get the FBI involved, and hey I am a coloured girl and I am not races at anything but there are times where they have no suspects etc, but this time they do and I think Aruba cop's should really pressure this young men. Hey when your heart is clean and you just having fun , you dont know what others are thinking in their mind. This workd is crazy just because we are women does not we cant have fun, plus I strongly think she was given drug and she was dragged and forced, but I could be wrong, cause I think no girl in her right mind would hop in a car with 3 strangers. Hopefully whatever may have happended we will find her for her families sake, I can't even imagine what her mum must be going through. God will help .

Posted by: ROSELLA at July 04, 2005 10:07 AM (rK/vi)

228 hey RDS, i did not admit that this country is only looking for missing white people and not worried about minorities. i was asking you a question to try to understand your beliefs. what i understood on your previous statements was that you believe that this country is not worried about minorities. anyway, be patient RDS, i will have answers soon!

Posted by: hapsing at July 04, 2005 06:05 PM (9P3Og)

229 COME ON PEOPLE...havent you noticed THIS IS A FUCKED UP WORLD, HARDLY ANYONE CARES FOR OTHERS ANYMORE,no one is gonna do anything for anyone anymore unless their getting money or somthing else out of it....THERE ARE SICK AND CRAZY PEOPLE OUT THERE, just waiting on young beautiful girls(or better yet, waiting on anybody), to comepletely ruin there life for only an hour of sex,power,or whatever else kind of sick pleasure they get out of it, but its also ONLY sick, rude, and shelfish people that come on here and say EVERY stupid and mean word they can find only because they heard something they didnt like!!! come on...this girl is either dead, or kidnapped because she made a stupid mistake, cut her a dang break, how did she know this was going to happen, Every single one of you, have ALL made such a stupid, careless mistake that maybe you've even wonder every day why you didnt die or get seriously hurt....yes..every young beautiful girl like natelee needs to be EXTREMELY careful going somewhere like that, but you can't blame her for what some sick person did you her! every single one of you need to stop wasteing your time saying mean and sick things about natelee and get down on your knees(including me) and PRAY for NATELEE and THANK the PRECIOUS LORD above that the same thing hasn't happened to you yet, because maybe one day you also made a stupid mistake that you regret!!! NO ONE WILL EVER BE CLOSE TO PERFECT, so PLEASE' stop expecting from everyone!!

Posted by: Tiffany at July 04, 2005 07:01 PM (OHJj7)

230 My prayers go out to Natelee and her family, PLEASE...DON'T GIVE UP HOPE!!!

Posted by: Tiffany at July 04, 2005 07:30 PM (OHJj7)

231 No can do, hapsing. The fact that it's taking you this long to find an answer just PROVES MY POINT. And, by the way, America owes its greatness & power to diversity & equality (for the most part). The fact that so many different people have being able to lead successful, productive lives in this nation is a powerful testament to America's tolerance & fairness. What me & some other posters are trying to get across is that there's a definite cultural & media bias in favor of victims who meet specific race & gender requirements. Since Whites are a racial majority in this country, the media logically try to cater to them by focusing on victims/stories that they (Whites) would MOST IDENTIFY WITH. Hence, the endless coverage of Young, White, Middle Class, Blond, usually Pretty woman/girl who's victimized. Hope it's noticed that there are other components besides race involved. Although, race place the biggest part, I think. If it was the 19th century, this situation would be acceptable, even understandable. But, it's frikin 2005 already. Sure, Whites are still a majority (so far). But, America is a total melting pot. A fruit salad. Whatever you wanna call it. The media's coverage of crimes/victims should REFLECT that. Right now, it doesn't. The fact that you, hapsing, or anyone else STILL HAS NOT being ABLE to come up with a NAME of a WELL-KNOWN, MISSING COLORED WOMAN, JUSTIFIES MY POINT. And, no one, except the truely hearless & stupid, is saying that Natalee deserves what she got. All I'm saying is that every action carries a consequence. Yes, we've all made mistakes. Stupid & all. But, some of us get the chance (luxury) of learning from them. Some of us don't.

Posted by: RDS at July 04, 2005 07:37 PM (/b7gI)

232 God bless the Natalee's family. Their hearts are broken.

Posted by: Danielle at July 04, 2005 08:40 PM (ywZa8)

233 Please excuse me hasping, but the fact that you have to sit there and SEARCH for only ONE colored person that got the same kind of attention as Natelee or others is....well..pothetic, you shouldn't even have to search, just pull one off the top of your head, like all the white people we can ALL think of! It's sad...iv'e seen thousands of colored groups marching down the streets,for someone help them find their missing family memeber or friend and a white person just has to go to the police station and just ask for some help!! it's terrible how this world works, but that's it, its only going to get worse...unless EVERYBODY did something about it, but we all know thats not going to happen.... THATS LIFE!!...sooner or later its gonna be over and you can't change anything that happened... just make sure you never give up, try not to have so many regrets and learn from your mistakes!!!

Posted by: Tiffany at July 04, 2005 09:12 PM (kVbMY)

234 to all ARUBANS and RESIDENTS OF ARUBA. I just want to say that i am proud of you all!!! I SAW what the NEWS doesn't show to the rest of the world. I saw all the hard work that you people did (and still doing) to find NATALEE. I saw your pain! I was there for 3 wks and that was enough for me to see that ARUBA is truly PARADISE ON EARTH. All i can say to the aruban people is to stay strong cause sooner or later the truth will come out and you can all go on with your life and I pray for NATALEE AND HER FRIENDS AND FAMILY!

Posted by: kingdom of the netherlands at July 05, 2005 08:58 AM (ZKHwd)

235 f*ck natalee's mom, she is referring the kalpoe brothers are criminals and not suspects anymore. view the recent video on cnn. she's asking all countries to not allow the kalpoe brothers enter their country. what a wh*re natalee's mom is. she seems like the biggest racist.

Posted by: teletubby at July 05, 2005 11:46 AM (+dHyy)

236 If you ask me, I say there has been a conspiracy to frame these boys from the beginning of the case. Their first story was that the three suspects (scapegoats) dropped Nat. off at a hotel with some security guards. That story was replaced with "oh we dropped her AND Van der Scapegoat off at the beach" then Van der Scapegoat says "..we walked on the beach then I told her goodbye and left." This doesn't make any sense. Not to mention the suspects also say "something bad happened to her." Now, what can we take from this? There is no tangible evidence linking the three scapegoats to Nat's ALLEGED murder, no body has been found, no other physical evidence has been found to even have enough PROBABLE CAUSE. Yet, the media continues to display these scapegoats as the absolute murderers of this "beautiful, intelligent, outstanding daughter" who got laid, drunk, and ran away with strangers into the darkness. So now comes the plot where it thickens... The CONSPIRACY lies in the fact that there is NO MOTIVE to commit such a crime on the part of these three social elites of Aruba whose names are VERY well known. First question: WHY would these three well-known guys commit such a crime; what is the motive? To that question, there remains no answer. As the media continues their rendevous to get more ratings from an obvious conspiracy, the plot CONTINUES to thicken while they continue NOT to ask the RIGHT questions - keeping the sheeple of television locked in and drilling their heads "these guys did it" without any evidence. Second question: WHO would have abducted Nat. and could this be a SETUP on our three framed suspects? To that question, we know that the CIA abducts children all the time and throw them into sex rings all over the world (the old days of Klingle, Sri Lanka, Columbia, et al). Not jumping to conclusions, let's rule out the CIA (lol). This case has all the workings of a FRAME, like a bad episode of 'Murder She Wrote." Anyone remember the elements of a SETUP in abduction cases? 1) Make the scene (the nightclub) and find the victim (Nat.). 2) In 'Paradise' (Aruba) find socialites to frame, intoxicate the victim, and make it public so there are witnesses (Nat. gets in car, drunk, with the three unsuspecting scapegoats, unaware of the plot). 3) follow the scapegoats and victim, and when she is dropped off and left alone by the scapegoats, commit the act leaving no trace, and leaving the scapegoats in great suspicion. Now...here comes the media to Paradise where crimes like this dont happen often, to give way to the 'these three murderers' did it. Let's all remember that Paul Van der Sloot, the father of the accused, was also questionned in this case, and he is a Judge. Does this not spell conspiracy to anyone else? again, the most important question here is....WHAT IS THE MOTIVE? There isn't one, and as in cases of JFK, Medger Evers, Hindenberg, Martin Luther King Jr,... the media is once again putting together a "neat package". One thing i know to be certain in this case, the suspects are being controlled, which is obvious by their allibies, their purjury, etc etc...they are covering up for what they really saw that night that happened to Nat. I hope she is still living, I pray for her RETURN and not RECOVERY, and her parents should start thinking the same way. The only way to spell this case accurately is....C-O-N-S-P-I-R-A-C-Y.

Posted by: EnkryptedKonservative at July 05, 2005 04:16 PM (M7kiy)

237 Fucking idiot

Posted by: Hammer21 at July 05, 2005 04:24 PM (0ehP7)

238 Seriously though....Natalee's mom is a M-I-L-F.

Posted by: MILFHUNTER at July 05, 2005 04:26 PM (0ehP7)

239 Horray - the kalpoes are on the plane now to suriname Joran should have been let go - thos bastard cops still are keeping hinm in prison and he did nothin- that bitch went skinny dipping with him and she drowned- big deal- if she can't handle the dugs she took that's her fault Everyone should be protesting his detainment FREE JORAN HE IS INNOCENT that slut drowned so what

Posted by: paul at July 05, 2005 04:32 PM (/8SLk)

240 There is no evidence that she drowned. Was a body found recently, paul?

Posted by: EnkryptedKonservative at July 05, 2005 04:44 PM (ywZa8)

241 He admitted he gave her roofies and she freaked out in the water - and with little light he couldn't rescue her JOran's dad feels sorry but c'est la vie - the stupid chick should have stayed in her room - if you can't hack it don't go to carlos and charlies - she should have know everyone takes drugs and smokes the reefer on that studid porch - Free Joran - everyone should wear Joran shades tomorros and parade up to carlos and charlies - that crazy alabama mother whom the chick wasn't even living needs to get on a plane and get out or else whe may vanish also -(Natee lives with stepmom because her real mom who is stirring up all the trouble beat her up too many times Free Joran

Posted by: paul at July 05, 2005 07:00 PM (5+Scy)

242 He admitted he gave her roofies and she freaked out in the water - and with little light he couldn't rescue her JOran's dad feels sorry but c'est la vie - the stupid chick should have stayed in her room - if you can't hack it don't go to carlos and charlies - she should have know everyone takes drugs and smokes the reefer on that studid porch - Free Joran - everyone should wear Joran shades tomorrow and parade up to carlos and charlies - that crazy alabama mother whom the chick wasn't even living needs to get on a plane and get out or else whe may vanish also -(Natee lives with stepmom because her real mom who is stirring up all the trouble beat her up too many times Free Joran

Posted by: paul at July 05, 2005 07:00 PM (5+Scy)

243 He admitted he gave her roofies and she freaked out in the water - and with little light he couldn't rescue her JOran's dad feels sorry but c'est la vie - the stupid chick should have stayed in her room - if you can't hack it don't go to carlos and charlies - she should have know everyone takes drugs and smokes the reefer on that studid porch - Free Joran - everyone should wear Joran shades tomorrow and parade up to carlos and charlies - that crazy alabama mother whom the chick wasn't even living needs to get on a plane and get out or else she may vanish also -(Natee lives with stepmom because her real mom who is stirring up all the trouble beat her up too many times Free Joran

Posted by: paul at July 05, 2005 07:00 PM (5+Scy)

244 THIS IS FOR "FUCKU@U.COM", FIRST OF ALL, IF I KNEW WHERE U LIVED I WOULD GO THERE CUT OFF "YOUR BALLS", SLAP U IN YOUR FACE, WITH THEM AND YOU BETTER BELEIVE YOUR SUCKING THOSE BAD BOYS RIGHT DOWN LIKE IT WAS "ARUBAN JIZZ" MUTHAFUCKER!!!!I CAN NOT BELEIVE HOW PATHETIC AND DISRESPECTFUL YOU ARE.... IF YOU DONT GIVE A FUCK, WHY YOU WASTING YOUR TIME WRITING THAT SHIT FOR EVERYONE TO SEE!!YOU SERIOUSLY NEED SOME SORT OF HELP, YOUR A WEAK, EVIL BOY (WITH A SMALL PENIS )I MIGHT ADD, ITS REALLY SAD YOU HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO WITH YOUR TIME,YOU MUST BE A DROP OUT... WHAT DID SHE EVER DO TO YOU SHITBAG!!!! LATA

Posted by: YOUR A BITCH at July 05, 2005 07:42 PM (6krEN)

245 THIS "ARUBA INCIDENT" IS REALLY DISTURBING...ITS HORRIBLE. BUT I DONT KNOW WHATS WORSE THAT OR HAVING HER MOTHER + FAMILY READ SOME OF THE SHIT ON THIS PAGE. THE BULLSHIT PEOPLE SAY ON THIS WEBSITE..THATS HOW YOU PEOPLE FEEL, THAT IS FUCKED UP. REALLY THOUGH, GROW UP AND GET A LIFE! MY PRAYERS ARE WITH THE FAMILY

Posted by: STEPHANIE at July 05, 2005 07:58 PM (6krEN)

246 Stephanie and "Youre a B****", I dont think that kind of language is very respectful, but if youre referring to me, i'll have you know that the Columbian industry is booming in the sex slave trade. Here's an article you can read to get started on some of the information, the activities that go on there, and how these kind of abductions have occured for decades in the Caribbean: http://conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?ChannelID=36 That's information Fox News or any of the other AOL affiliates will never tell you. As I said, a deep conspiracy is involved in this case, and the people will become informed about it.

Posted by: EnkryptedKonservative at July 05, 2005 09:08 PM (ywZa8)

247 Paul, I don't believe that story to be true. These three scapegoats in this case were manipulated by a larger entity/agency, whoever was responsible for taking Nat has these three under their fingers, and they vowed to keep it under covers. As I've said before, all three of these guys are innocent of this kidnapping, and their stories match that of people who were involved in a crime UNWITTINGLY, told to take the victim someplace, and then leave. But in this case, instead of leaving, they saw something happen, were taken for a small period themselves, briefed on the situation ("you aren't to discuss anything youve seen tonight...et al"), and thus their varying allibies. Anyone who believes the media's whorehouse of void information on this case and directs attention to RACE instead of the issue (abductions in the Caribbean and the sex slave trade) is blindly following false dogma.

Posted by: EnkryptedKonservative at July 05, 2005 09:20 PM (ywZa8)

248 So paul, is that her fault to, that he gave her some kind of drug that could make her pass out....So what if she went skinning dipping.... he's the one that would have know she would drowned in the water, after drugging her, but yet he STILL let her go in the water!!(come on now Paul don't make yourself look that stupid!!!) Obviously Paul...since you have NO MERCY, what so ever for Natelle....you must have done the same thing, drugging a girl(and her not being able to "HANDLE IT")...it's people like you that Fuck this world up!!!! You must have never had your ass kicked before....or you wouldn't be so disrespectful!!!

Posted by: Tiffany at July 05, 2005 09:30 PM (Rbtzs)

249 WOW. It is pretty pathetic how we can't just chill and, instead of taking comments personally, treat this like a discussion forum, where all opinions are valued. Secondly, I would just like to say that anyone who says RDS is racist, YOU'RE WRONG, As a young collored woman, god knows how few people understand the bias towards pretty caucasian woman. I think that in this forum, RDS and a few others really understand this. For those who say that race is not a factor in the media, read this article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8233195/ This article was written for MSN's race in America section, which is the best section online for unbiased news catering to people of color. Anyways, I also would like to mention the case of Shasta Groene, the poor 8-year-old girl from Idaho whose whole family was slain and her brother is now feared dead. According to the an MSN article I read, video footage from the restaraunt Shasta Groene was found at showed that she went and looked people in the face, hoping someone would recognize her. It took quite a while for this to happen. If the media had focused on this heart-wrenching story rather then spending all the time on NATALEE, Shasta could have been found sooner, and most like her brother would have also been found safe. You can dispute what I am saying, but it is sad that, despite the leaps and bounds we have made toward equality for everyone-black, white, hispanic, asian, man, woman, young, old, blond or brunette- people can't face the facts that we still ignore what is happening to people EVERY DAY. Just because the victim is not like us. Just think about that.

Posted by: Sheila at July 05, 2005 09:56 PM (DFqnj)

250 WOW. It is pretty pathetic how we can't just chill and, instead of taking comments personally, treat this like a discussion forum, where all opinions are valued. Secondly, I would just like to say that anyone who says RDS is racist, YOU'RE WRONG, As a young colored woman, god knows how few people understand the bias towards pretty caucasian woman. I think that in this forum, RDS and a few others really understand this. For those who say that race is not a factor in the media, read this article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8233195/ This article was written for MSN's race in America section, which is the best section online for unbiased news catering to people of color. Anyways, I also would like to mention the case of Shasta Groene, the poor 8-year-old girl from Idaho whose whole family was slain and her brother is now feared dead. According to the an MSN article I read, video footage from the restaraunt Shasta Groene was found at showed that she went and looked people in the face, hoping someone would recognize her. It took quite a while for this to happen. If the media had focused on this heart-wrenching story rather then spending all the time on NATALEE, Shasta could have been found sooner, and most like her brother would have also been found safe. You can dispute what I am saying, but it is sad that, despite the leaps and bounds we have made toward equality for everyone-black, white, hispanic, asian, man, woman, young, old, blond or brunette- people can't face the facts that we still ignore what is happening to people EVERY DAY. Just because the victim is not like us. Just think about that.

Posted by: Sheila at July 05, 2005 09:56 PM (DFqnj)

251 WOW! Those of you who are writing those negative and malicious commments about Natalee have serious issues, and not a bit of decency. What a bunch of disgusting pigs. Don't be so damn nonchalant. This is so disheartening. This whole case wreaks of conspiracy. It's totally disturbing. I am a criminal justice major and I have studied many cases, and I know, "innocent until proven guilty," but I don't care what any of you say, in my mind, Joran IS guilty, and his father most likely is too. His father is most likely not guilty of murder per se, but he is guilty for trying to cover it up and possibly attempting to frame other people to keep his son out of prison. His dear-old-dad just happens to be in a great position to cover up the murder. How convenient for Joran. You don't think his father has connections with people high up in the Aruban government that would help him to cover up his son's actions? Yeah right. I have studied many cases in which governments have gone to great lengths to cover up unlawful acts committed by people in their "circle". Some are successful, others not so much. Sometimes others get involved, such as the media, or someone can't take the pressure and comes forward, and the truth comes out. I am hoping that this case will be solved and that Natalie's family will have some closure and will finally know what really happened to their daughter, and feel somewhat at peace knowing that her murderer and all those involved are behind bars and being punished for their actions. Aruban police have been straying from normal procedures, and it definately looks sketchy. Even Joran's mother said that they should never have released her son from police custody after he was initially arrested for questioning. This is his own mother saying this. This case is such an eye-opener for young girls, such as myself. I had actually planned on taking a trip to Aruba with a large group of friends (mostly girls) for spring break this March, but we have knixed that idea after I have been following this case involving Natalie. No one feels that it is a safe place for us college students (especially us girls) to go, at least until Joran is off the streets. If this case is not solved CORRECTLY, I will NEVER be making a trip to Aruba, and I'm sure that I am not the only one who feels this way. It's a real shame that the rest of Aruba must suffer for those few people who are giving it a bad name. If this case goes unsolved or Joran is set free, I will make it my mission to create a petition for those of us who want to protest the Aruban government by refusing to visit the island, should they continue to cover up for this boy and his father. Considering the size of Aruba, and how very very small it is, if this kid is not convicted and put away for a long long time, I would never feel safe in going there, for the mere fear of coming in contact with him. On an island that small, there's no doubt one would probably cross his path at some point, especially young people. The Aruban government should seriously consider whether covering up for these people is worth ruining their economy, and running American's out. This is all in my oppinion, and you can believe what you want, but so can I, and I think that Joran is guilty, and his father and his government "buddies" are helping and hoping to cover it up. May God bless Natalie's family. My prayers are with you and your daughter that justice will be served, and these men will be brought to justice.

Posted by: College Girl at July 06, 2005 03:04 AM (onSvw)

252 Fox just said that Natalee was spotted in Bogota, Columbia on Tuesday in a red light district pictures to follow hiraldo rivera is now on his way to the country this is good news at least she is alive but in another country

Posted by: dave at July 06, 2005 05:13 AM (OFGjP)

253 When did you hear this on Fox? I have been watching for the past 24 hours straight, and I have not heard that. I may have been taking a pottie break when that statement came out, but I have not heard that she was spotted in Columbia in a red light district.

Posted by: College Girl at July 06, 2005 10:41 AM (onSvw)

254 Thanks Sheila. At least someone seems to get it. And, here's another point that I've forgotten to make so far. Let's STOP DEMONIZING ARUBA. Good grief people. Get some frikin sense. How many thousands & thousands of people have visited this nation over the years? Haven't they all made it safely home? What about places like Mexico? There's much more of a crime threat in certain parts of that country? Yet, every sping, hordes of horny college students make their way to Cancun. Are Americans not going to travel to these places anymore? College Girl, don't be so melodramatic. I'm sure you'll be safe going to Aruba. Even if Joran goes free. Let's face it. Guilty or innocent, he won't be trying anyting on you or any other dewy, innocent college girl. With all the attention focused on him, he'd be nuts to try anything of the sort. Just 'cus Aruba is a small nation,(no match for the mighty USA), doesn't mean that the American media and/or public have the right to smash its reputation to pieces. It's not like the whole island was involved in a conspiracy in Natalee's disappearance. And, talking about law enforcement bungling, does that only happen in Aruba? I bet Jon Benet Ramsey might be thinking otherwise. What about all the nasty things that happen in the US? Are people supposed to avoid Idaho now 'cus what happened to that poor, little girl? By the way, I totally agree with Sheila. Had the stupid media paid more attention to the Idaho kidnapping, that innocent child would have had a better chance of being rescued earlier.

Posted by: RDS at July 06, 2005 11:27 AM (/b7gI)

255 Please excuse me hasping, but the fact that you have to sit there and SEARCH for only ONE colored person that got the same kind of attention as Natelee or others is....well..pothetic, you shouldn't even have to search, just pull one off the top of your head, like all the white people we can ALL think of! It's sad...iv'e seen thousands of colored groups marching down the streets,for someone help them find their missing family memeber or friend and a white person just has to go to the police station and just ask for some help!! it's terrible how this world works, but that's it, its only going to get worse...unless EVERYBODY did something about it, but we all know thats not going to happen.... THATS LIFE!!...sooner or later its gonna be over and you can't change anything that happened... just make sure you never give up, try not to have so many regrets and learn from your mistakes!!!

Posted by: Tiffany at July 06, 2005 12:43 PM (m7UrM)

256 Thanks RDS

Posted by: Sheila at July 06, 2005 02:12 PM (DFqnj)

257 O.k RDS. I think that I see the whole big picture that you are talking about. When you said for someone to give you the name of a missing person of color who made the media big time. It really hasn't happened. I mean, I couldn't think of anyone. It is a very sad sad thing. But, also we have to think that all of the white girls mentioned above were of the upper class. Well, I am not sure about the runaway bride, but she was having six hundred people at her wedding so I am assuming she had lots of money. I hate that Tamika Huston, Alexis Patterson and Kim Arrington have not gotten the media's attention. It is sick. They deserve it just as much as Natalee. Natalee's case does deserve this attention also. But, what I am saying is that it should be that way with everyone that goes missing.

Posted by: Dawn at July 06, 2005 02:47 PM (ZWcjC)

258 Thanks Dawn & Sheila

I've got at least two allies on this site!!! I hate to crow under the circumstances that this message board is based on (a missing girl, a family torn apart), but can I claim that I've made my point crystal clear?????????????????? NO ONE, not even those spouting bs on this site, has been able to name a MISSING COLORED WOMAN who's received the SAME ATTENTION. NO ONE has even come up with the name of a MALE VICTIM. The names that Dawn mentioned, (Tamika, Alexis, Kim) I've never even heard of them. Except maybe Tamika. Her name did come up on an (MSNBC?) article that was also devoted to the unequal coverage of missing persons based on race. Like I said before, I came across this site totally by chance. I've made quite a number of lengthy, carefully deliberated posts in order to make my position clear. I hope that I can say that I haven't stooped to the level of vile name-calling, cussing, etc. that SOME posters have employed. And, those of you who made disgusting sexual comments regarding Natalee, that was truely low. Just 'cus you're online doesn't mean that you have the right to be inhuman & indecent. I'm not a citizen of this nation. However, I recognize & value its greatness. It is truely the LAND OF THE FREE & THE HOME OF THE BRAVE. I'm grateful for the chance to be here. I'm also grateful that some posters (I'm assuming they're Americans) demonstrate a cautious, sensible approach to this tragedy. Not everyone tries to demonize & degrade Aruba, & its people. I'm sure its a beautiful, welcoming place, judging by the TV coverage. Don't let the American media's take on things distort your opinions. The press & media DON'T always get it right. Actually, they GET IT WRONG MOST OF THE TIME. I hope that Natalee's family will be able to find closure in the future. I hope that Natalee, whether among us or not, is at peace. I hope that the perpetrators (no matter who they are) will be brought to justice. I think I've said all that I need to say on this site. I feel that I've made my point. I have to say, in case someone other than 'hapsing' thinks I'm a racist, that I truely believe that the vast majority of Americans (White or Black, Blue or Green!) are equal-minded, caring people. Much more so than the stupid media. Human nature propels most of us to identify with some situations over others. I guess that's no one's fault. However, here's hoping that this case will raise awareness of ALL missing persons in general, regardless of race, color, money, etc.

Posted by: RDS at July 06, 2005 04:42 PM (/b7gI)

259 For those of you who believe I have been less than respectful and civil among this discussion, I advise you to read my previous posts. Sheila, I do agree that there is more attention focused on missing white women in the media, but it goes far beyond that. If you think of all the missing white women that has been given MUCH attention in the media, you will also see a connection of conspiracy involving their disappearances and murders also (Chandra Levy, Laci Peterson, Amy Bradley, Elizabeth Smart, JonBenet Ramsey, etc etc etc..). The media will ALWAYS cover stories they are told to cover because they involve a higher conspiracy. Just like this case. This isn't about race, when it comes down to it, this is about an 18 year old who was intoxicated, lured to the beach, and abducted onto a boat where she was shipped, possibly with others, to Columbia. I posted a link to a story of Amy bradley's disappearance almost a decade ago. Amy Bradley went missing from the same exact bar that Natalee was seen in before her disappearance, and a Naval officer came forward and told of his meeting with Bradley where she asked him to help her, but at the time the officer was unaware that she was posted as Missing. It's happening again folks, and as I've said before, Natalee is feared dead, and was most likely sexually taken advantage of by a large amount of people in the sex slave trade between Aruba and Columbia. College Girl, Yes, there is a conspiracy. I've elaborated on the conspiracy in my previous posts, and I'm also a criminal justice student. The conspiracy in this case is the Elite's framing of Joran Van der Scapegoat. It is not my belief that the elite father, Judge Van der Sloot, is trying to cover up for his son, when in fact his son was actually SET UP as part of a larger conspiracy to keep the white elitist sex rings under wraps. College girl, I can tell by your posts that you are an intelligent, rational thinking person, so I urge you, and everyone else here, to do the research on sex rings ALL OVER THE WORLD which are run by elites, and their members include socialites like Scott Peterson, Paul Van der Sloot, Steve Case, Jon Ramsey, and the politician who was involved with Chandra Levy, whose name I can't recall, among many many others who are among the leaders in these sex rings. The history of which goes back to the days of Klingle Mansion in it's live years. Anyone who denies these sex rings exist and that she has become the unfortunate victim of one of the largest industries in Columbia, is not looking for the truth in this case. I remain adamant that Nat is ALIVE and resides in Columbia among the same social and business Elites that run as politicians, and run the media.

Posted by: EnkryptedKonservative at July 06, 2005 04:52 PM (M7kiy)

260 The girl is not going to come home - she went out with these boys - drinking - drugs - whatever - something happened - she went swimming - it was dark - no one knew where she was in the water - tragedy

Posted by: Craig at July 06, 2005 05:07 PM (H/8fn)

261 The name I couldn't recall in my last post was Gary Condit, who ordered the murder of Chandra Levy because she was going to blow the whistle on the Power Elite's sex club perversion. Craig, tragically, the only time natalee was in the water was when she was on the boat to Columbia. She was setup there by Joran Van der Scapegoat, one of the scumbag elites in Aruba who's part of the sex slave rings (there's a tape of him gangbanging a 14 year old girl, him and his buddies, just type Van der Sloot 14 year old girl video in the browser).

Posted by: EnkryptedKonservative at July 06, 2005 05:56 PM (M7kiy)

262 The American people will soon know the true motives behind these so called 'mysterious disappearances' cases in the Caribbean, and everyone will soon know the elite perverts behind them that put American woman and children for sale in countries abroad. The mainstream media cannot stop the truth from being known - and when the people find out the true identities of the socialites behind these crimes, there will be a revolution from horizon to horizon and heads will roll, literally. Here are some links that may interest you: http://conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?ChannelID=36 Also: The story of Amy Bradley http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8143921/

Posted by: EnkryptedKonservative at July 06, 2005 06:35 PM (M7kiy)

263 Will someone please kill that stupid Alabama mother fucker woman she is ruining our island - put her on a plane and be rid of these stinking AMERICANS

Posted by: sammy at July 06, 2005 08:48 PM (/2jWS)

264 The island of ARUBA needs to take control. Arrest those communist USA people. Free Joran.

Posted by: sammy at July 06, 2005 08:53 PM (/2jWS)

265 craig- are you sure that's what happened? you sound so certain... '"The girl is not going to come home - she went out with these boys - drinking - drugs - whatever - something happened - she went swimming - it was dark - no one knew where she was in the water - tragedy"' what do you know???....such a declarative statement... by the way, the FBI tip line for Natalee is 1-877-628-2533...call with any ACCURATE info. In regards to the race issue - the US media is in great need of reform in reporting equality. I'm sorry from a white girl's perspective that it is that way - believe me, I hate it too! Also, being from lower/middle class, welcome everyone to the capitalist bullshit where the world (especially America) is run by millionaires and large corporations. I'm right there with RDS, Dawn & Sheila on the race issue, but we all know this still sucks and needs to be solved. My support to all cultures, races and economic classes in our struggles...i feel your pain & concern...all that means, though, is that we have to fight harder, scream louder and push more to have our voices heard...it's not fair, but major changes have been made in the past by people willing to push for what's right...we can do it together...the MSM (main stream media) just won't get in our way and fuck it up...

Finally, I'm sorry to all Arubans who are taking grief about your home. It was a combination of the efforts of a few (including Natalee) and the masses are taking the heat. We can't boycott Aruba...if tourists boycotted America for every bullshit thing we do and all the missing, murdered, raped people in our country, we would have no tourism economy. I just wish the American people and other nations could unite the way we have been trying to pretend we have for years...guess we can't do that until we quit blowing up other nations, putting dictators in power when it serves us, and most importantly quit pointing fingers at others when we should try to better our lives and others by simple compassion every day...God bless all of you - yes, even the uncompassionate, sadistic, heartless bastards on this post...you need love the most...oh yeah..to any of natalee's friends, teachers and most importantly family - remember that some people just suck and write hurtful things b/c they are psychologically messed up, have been hurt in their lives or are slightly bitter about the way the world sucks...it is nothing against natalee...

Posted by: megz21 at July 06, 2005 09:36 PM (QWC7i)

266 Sorry, but I guess I can't keep my trap shut from making more comments!!! Referring to an observation by a previous poster, I believe that the Natalee Holoway media coverage isn't about race ALONE. I mean, if she was from a lower middle-class background, and esp. if she was just a plain jane, the media wouldn't give it even half the attention that it's doing now. Like a poster said, if she was fat, with zits all over her face, she'd be just another statistic. When you come to think of it, it's really a very sad reflection of what human society & culture have become. We live in a world that prizes looks, money, & sex over the real worth of individuals. We're all to blame for the Natalee Holloway media circus.

Posted by: RDS at July 06, 2005 11:13 PM (/b7gI)

267 Anyone think this is just a (if the word just could actually be used to describe such a tragic event)case of young girl high on the sense of freedom and meeting some kid who happened to be the son of some Dutch official falling for the romance of the situation being coaxed into placing herself in a bad situation with some slick lizard type who was obviously not there to empower himself for his career to come as the messiah of the Dutch government. Ask yourselves these questions. 1) If you were a hot "white" chick do you think you'd have to have some sense about you in order to live to be 18? 2) Is trust something that people tend to extend to others who are similar in a genetic sense? Are you more apt to trust a stranger of your race rather than the evil black man or Aruban who of course wants to rape white women? 3) Are most rapes "date" rapes or stranger rapes involving violence to gain compliance and then ultimately ending in murder? Unless of course you can reverse the psychology of the rapist and make him feel as if there was some kind of psychological control gained through the act, which gives him the possibility of having the privelege of raping the victim again. 4) Finally, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SH*T GOES WRONG DURING SOMETHING LIKE RAPE? Does a rapist have the intent to rape the whole time or is rape a crime of opportunity? "I was just going to scare her, and then..." Think about it. Obviously it was poorly planned from the get go. Things which should have occurred 1) All chaperones should be responsible for a portion of the students. 2) Local police and government should have been prepared for the sudden influx of Hot White Chicks. 3) Information based on intelligence of Aruba should have been used to develop a system and a depth of knowledge about where there were going. No offense but why do certain Americans always think that everyone out there worships or fears them. Would you go into unknown territory with nothing but a promise from other Americans who have no business taking a group of accessible and uncontrollable group of kids into a country they obviously had no business going to. Are the Arubans poor? Are Americans rich? Why did they go again, to study the Aruban culture? No, to freaking party. If I lived in a foreign country I'd love people like that coming by the droves to party. They don't speak the language, assuming that they have a seperate language. You never know, it could be one of those islands that we own. Hawaii, Tahiti, Mazatlan, Tiajuana, etc... Were any of the chaperones knowledgable in executive protection and have any contacts within the local population. Remember, you'd be a lot less apt to rape or kidnap someone who was under the care of the local police chief and had put word out that anyone embarassing him would be "dealt with". You might say that is a generalization but think about it, who isn't corrupt? You? Do you know what makes Americans victims? Let's see, we go to places where we think the people living there are to serve us, we don't study their customs or respect them, we don't have to. We don't speak the language because we speak the universal language of "green" and finally, we hang out in the bad areas. I like to kick it in places where the "seedy" people have control. I like to stand out like a sore thumb. I like to have no "contingency" or "failsafes" in place to prevent certain "unlikely" and "unpleasant" scenarios. The poor girl is dead. She died in a foriegn country with none of her family or friends around. How do we know? If you kidnapped her and The United States Of America knew she was gone but was still letting the local authorities handle it what does that mean? No harm no foul. What is it that we are really trying to impress on the rest of the world? Did the dirty Aruban guys do that? They can't get Aruban women right? Everybody loves white girls. They only live there you know. I like to crap where I eat too. The visiting son of a dignitary who has the "white mentality" of I can do whatever I want in someone else's house because I am better tried to rape her. The men have already told the story. His dad is a government official. In your lifetimes, who were the people who did you wrong? The "other" or your "brother"? Maybe you should apply a sense of realism, only we think like that. You know why? Arrogance. Let's talk sh*t about a murder victim and go off to sound intelligent. Pray for her family and the people of Aruba, pray for those poor idiots who only lost one student. 30:1 is a good ratio, what's the percentage on that? 3 to 4 percent? Myopic thinking results from knowing only one side of the story. Sheltered people tend to be mouthy and insensitive. We do not know everything. We are the ones in trouble not the poor humble people of the world who know what it is to not have a thing but a dream.

Posted by: NotKnowinAThingButStill at July 07, 2005 12:18 AM (rv7xm)

268 For all the people who say it isn't about race, it is though. I am not trying to be disagreeable. Please look at this link for an idea of the bias of the media: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8233195/ I already posted it, but this addresses the issue in a professional, open manner. It is a lot to do with sex appeal really. People are more attracted to the "pure as snow" girl-next door, the blond haired, blue-eyed girl. People in a predominently caucasian country are more likey to sympathize with a pretty white girl than a tough black girl or guy, or even an asian girl or guy. And people can also relate to the victim's family, which gives the news networks a boost in ratings. I am not sure if Shakira Johnson (the 11-year-old black girl) who went missing two years ago was national news, but it was major local news. I think that for kidnappings, that is what it really takes to get the message out. Natalees story is sad, but better off as local news than "breaking news" all over the country.

Posted by: Sheila at July 07, 2005 11:26 AM (DFqnj)

269 well, i saw natalee's mum on tv last night discribing how she was driving 115mph in bama when she heard nat was missing.like it was all about her!!! i also heard that nat was in the back seatwith the dutch guy and the two black natives were in the front seat and as they were driving natalee became sexual agressive and they were kissing like mad and the dutch boy had his hand up Nat's skirt and she had his penis out stroking it. Well, if this is true than the black boys sure would get sexually charged also so when they got to the beach there probably was a gang bang and some felacio and Nat probably being drunk choked on somebodys cum.........the boys panicked and either buried her or threw her in the oceon and the currants took her out to sea. It's really sad cause her class mates or dumb ass chaperones didnt look out for her.....WHy the hell would she get in a car with guys she hardly knew and why the hell would her classmates let her.. some reasons....drunkiness, drugs and the need for SEX!!!!!!really sad story that didnt need to and shouldn't have happened...........

Posted by: judy at July 07, 2005 12:16 PM (xND1a)

270 I can't believe the misconceptions about rape here...Judy posts that two boys seeing another boy and girl sexual will make them rape. BULL Another one is always got Natalie sort of like getting punished sadistically for being turned on and or attracted to one of the guys. Like some guy here posted he figured Natalie had "cuddely" feelings for the guy and then described his what almost sounds like his own rape fantasy. I doubt she had cuddley feelings for the creep. I wasn't there but it's more likely that Jordan (what ever his name is) probable went up to her she most likely humored him...he was probable intimidated by her or jealous or something. Maybe she was momentarily was interested then sensed something really wrong about him and didn't want anything to do with him and then he or they might have drugged her drink and escorted a drugged human out of the club and of course they come up with tales about her making out with the guy. Although I think Natalies race and family income has something to do with the exposure I also think it largely has something to do with her Mother's unique attitude and approach she called things as she saw them said that she would take it to the media when frustated by investigation. Not everyone's mom would do that rich or poor.

Posted by: Leslie at July 07, 2005 01:28 PM (2afCH)

271 '[E]veryone's mom' would care just as much about their child as Natalee's mom, but the media isn't interested in 'everyone's mom'. They only forcus on people/situations that will yeild the biggest ratings. Sheila is right. There's a definite media/cultural bias in this country. Blond, Blue-Eyed, Young, Pretty women/girls are the ideal, apparantly. If she comes from money, then so much the better. If it was a POOR White girl that was missing, it would've being interesting to see how the American media handled that. Of course, each of us will view this tragedy from our own perspectives; which, sad to say, is colored by our racial & social backgrounds. That's life. Those frikin chaperones!!! WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY THINKING??? Anyone, DON'T make the arguement that these kids were old enough to do what they wanted. BULL SHIT. Like I said before, 18 doesn't make you either an adult, or wise to the realities/dangers of this world. They were a bunch of kids pretending to be adults. What a sad, pathetic situation. I feel sorry for the people of Aruba. Once this whole thing dies down, they'll be left to pick up the pieces; from the mess left behind by the stupid, frikin American media.

Posted by: RDS at July 07, 2005 04:07 PM (/b7gI)

272 Is anyone seeing what I'm saying at all? THIS IS NOT ABOUT RACE. This is about something far much larger which race is only a tiny FRACTION of. This is a conspiracy greater and wider than any of your minds can muster, seemingly. The only thing I've seen talked about that is something RATIONAL in this case is from college girl who sees the possibility of a greater conspiracy here. You people see nothing but RACE in this case are missing the entire point, and joining the mainstream media in DISTRACTION techniques to keep people focused on the smaller meaningless issues ("hot white chick gets too much attention, little black girl gets none"). The empty minded American public once AGAIN fails to recognize the FULL implications of this girl's abduction and WHY young attractive white Americans are being covered so often in the media, as ive posted before...it's because the white power Elites who are in charge of these sex rings all over the world, DO NOT FAVOR POOR UGLY BLACK GIRLS. It's time for you numbed CNN worshippers to wake up and get informed on events in the world, and stop bickering about useless parts of the equation like RACE. This has NOTHING to do with race, this has everything to do with POLITICS, CORRUPTION, CRIME, AND CONSPIRACY. Pulling the race card has been an ineffective part of the New World Order agenda.

Posted by: EnkryptedKonservative at July 07, 2005 06:31 PM (M7kiy)

273 To Everyone, join the Conspiracy Room on AOL People Connection chatroom under the Special Interests category every night after 10. Much information is discussed involving the activities currently underway around the world, and in case youre wondering, some of the most intelligent people youll ever meet will be in that room (and for the record, no, no one discusses aliens, ghosts, et al crapola). Come to discuss today's terror attack, as well as it's relevance to 311, 911, pearl harbor, OK City, Columbine, Chandra Levy, Peterson, Holloway, etc etc etc. All are invited.

Posted by: EnkryptedKonservative at July 07, 2005 07:34 PM (M7kiy)

274 Hey, EnkryptedKonservative First, thanks so much for assuming that POOR BLACK GIRLS are UGLY. You sound like one of those 'white power Elites' you keep bringing up. Second, I actually went to that 'conspiracy planet' web site you mentioned. I've visited my share of conspiracy theory web sites, but your one is so far over the top that even nut house patients will have a hard time believing it. You have no, conclusive evidence to support your wild claim. I'm not disagreeing with the existence of sex rings & sex slavery. I'm also not disputing the fact that women and girls are regularly abducted all over the world & sold into prostitution. But, who the heck are these 'white power Elites' you keep bringing up? What proof do you have? There's no need to indulge in some crazy fantasy theory about Natalee's disappearance. What are you gonna say next? That she was abducted by aliens?????????????????????????????????????

Posted by: RDS at July 07, 2005 07:43 PM (/b7gI)

275 hey RDS, looks like you spend too much time online. do you have a life or do you even go out? the essays you write are kind of boring. maybe you need to go out and do something. get a life and enjoy it while you're young!

Posted by: EnkryptedKonservative at July 07, 2005 08:22 PM (9P3Og)

276 You're right. My essays really are too long. I should probably get those White Power Elites to give me some tips on shorter essay writing. By the way, the fact that you didn't come up with the proof I asked for & just substituted a juvenile smartass comment proves what I've concluded about you. The downside of the otherwise incredible internet is that every BULL SHIT idea gets its own public platform. Don't worry about my social life, sweetie. I won't be getting myself abducted & sold off into a White Power Elite sex ring any time soon. I'm not a blue-eyed, tan-deprived barbie doll. And, how come your not doing something to disrupt the evil doings of the White Power Elite? Please, Enkrypted Konservative (or whatever), stop those wicked White people. Don't let them take our pure-as-snow sisters away from us.

Posted by: RDS at July 07, 2005 09:45 PM (/b7gI)

277 i will have an answer for you soon RDS.. be patient

Posted by: hapsing at July 08, 2005 11:35 AM (9P3Og)

278 For the ppl who say that this issue at hand is not race and the medias bias, see what the blog was originally starrted as: Me? I'm not so interested although this is clearly a tragic story. But there are millions of tragic stories that could be told on any given day. I can't help but wondering if this would be the lead story if Natalee wasn't a gorgeous blonde? I'm serious. In my book this is the lead story for a local TV station at best. There is no reason this ought to be the lead at CNN and Fox. More evidence of the vast gynocratic conspiracy and the Oprahization of the news....... So, since that is what the blog is about, that is what we are allowed to be talking about! I love being right

Posted by: Sheila at July 08, 2005 01:38 PM (DFqnj)

279 IÂ’ve got a strong source that is reporting Natalee is on another island part of the white slave trade! Why is the United States not looking into this? There have been many women that have gone missing in the Caribbean! Shit needs to happen; all these women will never be the same or will end up dead once their usefulness is past.

Posted by: Ted at July 08, 2005 04:39 PM (RKk1X)

280 IÂ’ve got a strong source that is reporting Natalee is on another island part of the white slave trade! Why is the United States not looking into this? There have been many women that have gone missing in the Caribbean! Shit needs to happen; all these women will never be the same or will end up dead once their usefulness is past.

Posted by: Ted at July 08, 2005 04:39 PM (RKk1X)

281 I read something sometime ago that went something like this: If you want to make other people happy... show compassion If you want to make yourself happy... show compassion To the one that thinks this is not news "worthy"-obviously you haven't experienced this kind of tragedy in your family and obviously you aren't the one missing.Perhaps if you were then you might hope you were worthy enough for someone to actually care enough about you to look for you.You have a lot of growing up to do.Good luck.I wish you the best.

Posted by: clara at July 08, 2005 08:55 PM (8Gj/A)

282 Dear Clara, Your right, I don't think this story is not as news "worthy" as it is made out to be. There are plenty of other missing people who deserve just as much time as Natalee. And you are right, I have not experienced something like this. But if I went missing, I would love everyone to look for me. Do you think that will happen? No. Because I am colored. Because I am not the "girl next door." Because I am not a "pretty white chick." Because I do not give the networks good ratings. Because white people won't care to look for me. Because I will just be thought of as another colored person in another mess Befure you criticize ME or any other people with the RIGHT IDEA, think about the situation in our eyes. It personally bothers me that you act like you know all the answers to my happiness. It doesn't make me happy to show compassion. It may work for you, and it may help other people, but it doesn't work for me. And this statement is COMPLETELY IGNORANT. This is why other countries don't take America seriously. Because if people like you. We are trying to analyze this case to a more intelligent level where everyone has an opinion, and here miss bitch comes along acting like her opinion is far superior than everyone else. And I am quite sure that I have grown up more than you, because you don't seem capable of responding in a more intelligent matter. Think before you push all your shit onto everyone else. Love, Sheila

Posted by: Sheila at July 08, 2005 09:56 PM (DFqnj)

283 Well said, Sheila

SOME people live in their own white bread world. Just 'cus they don't experience certain things, they assume that others don't either. You have to walk in another's shoes to really understand.

Posted by: RDS at July 09, 2005 07:09 PM (/b7gI)

284 RDS and whoever the person is that cloned my name, First of all, there is plenty of evidence of abductions in the Caribbean over the last 10 years, and plenty of proof that these sex slave rings DO exist and ARE being headed up by heavily involved power Elites. Secondly, in order to understand the background of this criminal activity, you would have to go all the way back to 14th century Italy, or better yet, to the period of Merovingian lore where Freemasonry comes alive. Then even after that, youd have to do some research on Freemasonry, and its involvement in the biggest power structures all over the world, under anarchist, communist, Leninism, maoist, fascist, and all other isms you could think of. Third of all, you may also want to check into the Archives Museum to find documents from European history as proof of Freemasonry's ascent through Europe, and its deals made from Cecil Rhodes in 1877 in his seven wills, all the way to the very Round Table, by he and Alfred Milner, through the "Protocals of the Elders of Zion" to the 60's ascent and popularization of the Democrat party through masonic influences from an infiltration of the Mafia in the Vatican, and on to present day, whereas more people are beginning to learn about activities at the Bohemian Grove. There is also VIDEO evidence that documents their Stregheria rituals which date back to the ages of Aradia. I'm sure most of everything I've mentioned, you dont have a clue what I'm talking about, but as I said, do the research and see what you come up with. There is a plethora of evidence, go to the museums in Washington, the Archives particularly and the Library of Congress - wharehouses of varitable information. And about the conspiracy website, I gave that website as a source for information about the Amy bradley disappearance, which is relevant to this case, even MSNBC told THAT story. And for crying out loud, learn something about aliens, because they dont exist here. Everyone knows that (unless youre talking about Mexicans). And to the person who cloned my name, I dont know who you are, but I'm guessing youre trying to pretend to be me. RDS, I didn't make that last post ("you have no life, should get out, yadda yadda"), which through my dialogue you can probably tell it wasn't me. I have remained civil throughout this entire discussion.

Posted by: EnkryptedKonservative at July 09, 2005 07:29 PM (M7kiy)

285 RDS, Oh yeah, and for the record, you can't PROVE anything in a CHAT FORUM. But, because I know you haven't a clue of what I'm talking about in any of my previous posts, I'll direct you to what I call, Kindergarten, if you want someplace on the internet to begin your search: http://watch.pair.com/roundtable.html ...Just for a push.

Posted by: EnkryptedKonservative at July 09, 2005 07:38 PM (M7kiy)

286 Sheila~ I totally agree with you and RDS that there does need to be more coverage on other minorites when someone goes missing, kidnapped, needs help...etc.! But I also believe theres a Big..Big difference in making your point, and trying to also explain it to others...And in throwing a pity party in everyone's face!...you act sometimes, like just because someone diagree's with you, there now racist or against you in some way...everybody has a right to there own opinion, without someone like you or others trying to make them feel like shit or make them feel like what they think isn't important...Sorry sweetie..but maybe you aren't always right!! Love, Tiffany

Posted by: Tiffany at July 09, 2005 10:55 PM (Vpjc8)

287 ENOUGH ALREADY. Let's all agree to disagree, shall we? I'm not here to make enemies. And, like I said in a previous post, people view things through the prism of their own racial, gender, social, religious, (& so on) identities. That's life. I accept that. I've got plenty of White friends. I think they're all DA BOM. And, if I gave the impression that I think that people who disagree with me are racists, then I apologize. That was not my intention at all. Why don't we all agree that it's the MEDIA that really distorts, misleads, & is totally racial? Are we all cool now? It would be great if everyone could have a thoughtful, calm, intelligent discussion about the real issues, instead of trading insults & accusations. I take responsibility for my part in the aforementioned problem. By the way, Encrypted Konservative, I got two things to say to you. First, I appreciate the efforts you've made to remain civil. (Shows character.) And, for letting me know that you didn't say those 'awful' things about me. I've already gotten over it, so that's ok

Second, you seem rather well-read & articulate, compared to certain other illiterate, vulgar losers who've made comments on this site. I'm actually starting to like you

Posted by: RDS at July 10, 2005 01:47 AM (/b7gI)

288 Isn't it strange that after all these searches nothing turns up ? It's like these brothers are the best professional killers in the world. A new breed of experts who can pass through the keyhole of there own judicial system without so much as a scratch. Lets not even bring to the table that there kids. No panic..No confessions...No breakdowns...If your older and reading this try to relate to that kind of interogation..And then try to put yourself into a 17-year-old mind set. Most would crack..Especially if you seperated the boys and told the others that the other one has just sold you out. I think the Aruban officials know what happened, are at least a pretty good idea. Holding this boy another 60 days does say something, at first it was eight days or 5 days,,then this boy gets 60 more days..Either these three boys are the youngest,smartest killers that have ever been or we just aren't smart enough to uncover the truth about what could happen to any of our Sons and Daughters, if she was sold into white slavery she is probably dead by now because of the high profile of the case. If she was tossed into the ocean her body could be miles away by now. But lets look at the other end of the story, suppose the boy is telling the truth, that he left her on the beach...After comuting on the internet and hanging out with these boys for several days she felt that she knew them, so they gained her trust, harmless enough we all meet people on blind dates and at work or at social events, But back to the point, No boy,kid,man or woman would leave a friend on a beach at night all alone. That story really is BS. Then you have to think why would you kill this girl ? I mean why would you risk screwing your whole life up over a one nightstand? Yes I know people will do strange enough things, But you have three young men here that somehow thought it would be cool to kill someone....BS. Something else happened that night, something that no one in the judicial system on that island wants us to know. What about research on how many girls have ever vanished into thin air on that Island or the surrounding Islands ? What about the fact that the spokes person for one of the biggest and most successful search teams has now stated that "I don't believe that Natalie is on this island" ? So the next time your out with someone you just met having a drink just talking and learning about each other, remember you may be just a car ride away from never being seen again. We may never know what happened that night, But one things for sure...something did happen to Natalee Holloway..And it left a stain on Aruba forever.

Posted by: EPT2 at July 10, 2005 06:13 AM (meMIT)

289 Whoever the piece of shit was that wrote "Natalee is a c**t" will be begging with all they have get NOT be cast into HELL when that last day finally comes for them!!!" I'll be there to kick your head into hell myself YOU LITTLE SHIT TALKING BITCH!!!

Posted by: ROBERT CORUM at July 10, 2005 09:12 AM (ywZa8)

290 Whoever the piece of shit was that wrote "Natalee is a c**t" will be begging with all they have get NOT be cast into HELL when that last day finally comes for them!!!" I'll be there to kick your head into hell myself YOU LITTLE SHIT TALKING BITCH!!! Also, the little SATANIST that called for a "fatwa" against Michelle Malkin, I'LL BE THERE TO KICK YOUR HEAD INTO HELL AS WELL!!!- Yes, that does mean that YOUR A LITTLE SHIT TALKING BITCH AS WELL!!! (HAVE FUN IN HELL!!!)

Posted by: ROBERT CORUM at July 10, 2005 09:14 AM (ywZa8)

291 I agree with much of what EPT2 says. Either, the three guys, their friends, family, & the Aruban justice system are involved in a major cover up; OR, Natalee was taken off/kidnapped from the island for whatever reason (sex ring, drug ring, etc.) OR, she could have being killed on the island, & then dumped in the ocean. It's a horrible thought, but quite possible. If so, what are the chances of finding her body? It could be lost forever in the ocean

Posted by: RDS at July 10, 2005 11:13 AM (/b7gI)

292 Thank you RDS...for you to apologize for a comment that wasn't even directly written to you...is very responsible and considerate of others and their feelings....it's very respectable of you! Like I said..thank you! I also agree with you that making enemies isn't going to help anyone...it'll just make more problems and more ppl pissed off! I really think we all need to focus on why we all came to this web site in the first place....and that is for Natelee...some of us have been very shelfish...thinking of only themselves and their thought and opionin when there is a beautiful young girl out there that needs out support and prayers...yes, some ppl are mad b/c they think she doesn't deserve all this coverage b/c of who she is, what she looks like, and how much money she has....but the main point is, she's human, she's not very different from me and you...she can't help that she's blonde and beautiful...if anything blame her parents for how she was raised, just don't blame her...her life was taken from her, and she (and her family) needs all the support and prayers she can get!! MY PRAYERS GO TO NATELEE AND HER FAMILY!!! ~Tiffany~

Posted by: Tiffany at July 10, 2005 02:37 PM (c7KJX)

293 "Sheila~ I totally agree with you and RDS that there does need to be more coverage on other minorites when someone goes missing, kidnapped, needs help...etc.! But I also believe theres a Big..Big difference in making your point, and trying to also explain it to others...And in throwing a pity party in everyone's face!...you act sometimes, like just because someone diagree's with you, there now racist or against you in some way...everybody has a right to there own opinion, without someone like you or others trying to make them feel like shit or make them feel like what they think isn't important...Sorry sweetie..but maybe you aren't always right!! Love, Tiffany

" K, i will cool it. But, for the record, i never said anything about anyone here being racsist, did I? It seems to me that just because i disagree with someone, I am apparantly crying racist. But I have done no such thing. I know no one here is racist; i go to stormfront to deal with that problem. And I know lots of people (some of my friends) cry racist anytime anyone bothers them. But I am not like that (most of the time, anyway). Just for the record. Oh and sorry for my last post. PMS, ya know?

Posted by: Sheila at July 10, 2005 05:59 PM (DFqnj)

294 So the plot thickens, EPT2 has been awakened as I have about the contradictions in this case, and about how there is still only ONE MOTIVE. All one needs to conclude this was an act of conspiracy, is to question to motives and go through the process of elimination strategy. What can we eliminate from this case thus far: 1) No body, no evidence, in SPITE OF THE LARGEST SEARCH IN THE CARIBBEAN. 2) No psychological breakdowns from the suspects 3) Lack of witnesses to the crime 4) No suspicion on the social elite Judge van der Sloot, AFTER interrogations; also the father of the Alpha suspect (Joran) 5) NO WORD FROM COLUMBIAN AUTHORITIES. (which, to me, spells c-o-m-p-l-i-c-i-t-y by absence). The Caribbean Sea is not that large around the area of the Islands off the Venezuelan and Columbian coasts. Perhaps if she was thrown into the Pacific Ocean she would never be found, but this is a relatively small area around this island. If someone wanted to commit murder in Aruba, they would not dump the body into the sea. Cruise ships follow around the Islands in very large numbers and if anyone has taken a cruise to Aruba, you know the chances of passing another cruise ship is inevitable. If a body was out there, it would have been spotted a month ago. I wouldn't be surprised if a body turned up a week from now, or a month from now, or whenever Nat's captives decide to dispose of her, and this becomes another Chandra Levy case. She went missing without a trace for a year and suddenly her skeleton was found in a public park people travel through on a regular basis (it was set up there). Or, you never know...It could become another Amy Bradley case.

Posted by: EnkryptedKonservative at July 10, 2005 07:27 PM (6krEN)

295 That was a very good lecture Encrypted. Now I know that didn't just pop into your mind. You may want to put footnotes on your lectures and give credit to where credit is due. You act like your so smart talking about all this freemasonry crap. It doesn't even pertain to Natalie. Now why don't you just put those in your own words and not plagiarize an author or someone. You can get into a lot of trouble for that. I sure hope they didn't teach you how to plagiarize in school especially when you don't even know what you are talking about. If you're really that good, i would love for you to explain to everybody what you meant about all that crap you wrote about freemasonry, roundtable, zion, vatican... and how it relates to Natalie. By the way, I am a history major.

Posted by: College Girl at July 11, 2005 12:40 AM (9P3Og)

296 FOLKS, THE REASON THIS PARTICULAR STORY BECAME BIG NEWS IS BECAUSE HER (NATALEE'S) FAMILY HAS BEEN RELENTLESS. HER MOTHER'S TENACITY AND INSISTENCE ON WANTING ANSWERS HAS KEPT IT ALIVE.OTHER SIMILAR CASES HAVE NOT HAD THE SAME FAMILY (OR FRIENDS AND ACQUAINTANCES) PUSHING INSISTENTLY BEHIND IT TO KEEP IT IN THE FOREFRONT.

Posted by: AMY at July 11, 2005 10:57 AM (M7kiy)

297 The sad fact is that this mystery will probably never be solved. The most alarming bit of imformation I've heard was directly from Natalee's mother when asked in an interview if she had any concerns at all about the trip to Aruba. The only concern that she did have?....Are you ready for this? Natalee's cousin went on the same trip a year or two ago and felt the locals at Carlos and Charlies were so agressive with the girls that he felt he was going to have to step in. What? Mom said she discussed this with Natalee on the way to the airport. How about telling the girl to have fun but STAY AWAY FROM CARLOS AND CHARLIES? How about telling the girl not to get separated from her friends for ANY REASON? I know smart people do dumb things especially when under the influence/intoxicated but this is unreal.

Posted by: the_dude at July 11, 2005 11:56 AM (aL5BL)

298 College Girl~ Your last post didn't "PERTAIN" to Natelee either...it sounded like to me you were just to conserned about what Encryrupted said! How are you gonna come on here and just start critzing him about what HE thinks and HIS opinion, you don't even know him,(and if you haven't noticed, everybody has a right to their own opinion, without people like YOU telling them there wrong and telling them what they said isn't important or should I say "plagiarized")....you probably haven't even read any of his last posts(or anyone else)...so how do YOU know, he doesn't know what he's talking about...it sounds like to me that YOU don't have any idea what your talking about...like I said in another post...this web site is for Natelee, not for rude people like you that obviously don't care!....and oh yeah sweetie...I don't think anybody cares that your an OHH SOOO GREAT history major!! Your no better or SMARTER than anyone on this earth...everyone is equal!! MY PRAYERS GO OUT TO NATELEE AND HER FAMILY...AND EVERYONE IN THE SEARCH THAT HAS HELPED...GOD BLESS YOU!!!

Posted by: Tiffany at July 11, 2005 05:38 PM (rs8jc)

299 c'mon all of you assholes that don't understand what the family of this young adult are going through. Aruba sucks, their Dutch law is antiquated and obviously lacks the means to conduct even a simple search. And for any of you that feel this isn't news worthy, look me up, I'll make you disappear, and we'll see! any takers?

Posted by: Marc at July 11, 2005 06:36 PM (+rntH)

300 i know that if my child went missing id be horrified. regardles of * and i quote " how fucking stupid her mistakes were" * i would want all the attention possible on her. so that everyone everywhere could keep an eye out . in the off chace that they may see my child. its a hell of alot better than natalie's case staying a local aruba island case where no one is really doing anything .... somepoeple say some really dumb crap......and sometiems you cant help but wonder maybe there more diserving to suffer. than they would want and understand the efforts that people are putting in to find her.

Posted by: angry girl at July 12, 2005 12:54 AM (pCqWp)

301 I'ts amazing reading this blog. A young girl fails to return home and it's being twisted into a racial issue. Fact is "she becane a victim because she is a good looking young blonde girl". Whatever she did, used bad judgenent, had sex with these guys, had sex with a hundred guys that gives no one the right to kill or kidnap her To those who criticize Natalies mother, you must not be parrents. I have a daughter close to Natalies age and I would move "Heaven and Earth"to find her if she disapeared. As for Aruba, part of the reason this is news is because your country is so safe and this is an aberation. If this happened frequently in your country this story would have made page 3 for one day. You should be proud of this fact.

Posted by: John at July 12, 2005 11:27 AM (NkV4U)

302 RDS, Sheila, Tiffany, Encrypted I am so glad to see that we are all getting along now. Seems like there are still a few out there that disagree with us but at least we can get on with the discussion about natallee now. College girl, lay off. This is about what happened to Natallee. Not about how smart you are. So maybe she isn't on the island or in the ocean but DAMNIT she's somewhere. And more than just one person knows it. It just totally pisses me off that we don't know anything.

Posted by: Dawn at July 12, 2005 02:16 PM (5CojZ)

303 Thank you dawn

And for all the people who are getting mad because people are discussing the shole Natalee business, it is a discussion forum. That is what you do. And there is also the first amendment. Let people say what they want. If it is ignorant, ignore it!

Posted by: Sheila at July 12, 2005 04:02 PM (DFqnj)

304 Things are so way out of hand with this case, its just unbelivable. The unfortunate incidents in London finally got the case out of the tube. Just to clear some points that have been made: Both the Florida and Texas teams are about to leave Aruba for lack of evidence. Aruban law must be respected. If Natalie's mother keeps making a scandal she'll lose the locals support. On the other hand why haven't all her classmates been made suspects? They were with her and left her to go out with strangers. Why isn't the Alabama police and FBI talking to these people? Marc: Cut the crap! You're full of it...the Arubans know what they are doing, obviously you Americans think you have the higher ground..yeah right! Guess what, thanks to all your wonderful work in Afghanistan and Iraq everyone likes Americans. Respect other nations to be respected. In conclusion, as the judge said, no body no case, so he'll walk in the end.

Posted by: Informer at July 12, 2005 04:49 PM (m4TSa)

305 prayers and thoughts out to the families and friends and the rest of you as we say here "tonti boso mama mericano pendeewnan"

Posted by: toto at July 12, 2005 06:30 PM (rDc3m)

306 Informer: I'm glad that you too recognized the perplexing fact that Natalee's classmates, and let's not forget those 'chaperones', have not being questioned by American/Aruban authorities. But, then again, remember everyone was probably pissed drunk. They probably weren't aware of their own situation. Whether they'll even remember any details now are doubtable. This case keeps getting more mysterious with every passing day. I read on Fox News online that the two brothers are going to be re-arrested, & that Joran apparently admitted in his first interrogation that he 'buried' Natalee. Maybe those three guys were responsible for her disappearance the whole time; and, it had nothing to do with a white sex slave ring. Sorry, Enkryped Konservative.

Posted by: RDS at July 12, 2005 06:57 PM (/b7gI)

307 that's right dawn, why can't we all just get along? it would make the world a better place.

Posted by: hapsing at July 12, 2005 07:29 PM (9P3Og)

308 Thanks Dawn!!!...I'm also very happy that we are all getting along now!!! EVERYONE: Please...Keep praying for Natelee, her family, and all the search teams!! Lets all hope that Natelee will soon be found, or eventually found and that whoever did this WILL be brought to justice!! NO ONE, deserves to have THEIR LIFE TAKEN from them for no reason!! KEEP PRAYING FOR NATELEE!!!

Posted by: Tiffany at July 12, 2005 09:07 PM (k1NjI)

309 that's the bottom line...

Posted by: hapsing at July 12, 2005 09:57 PM (9P3Og)

310 Well, I haven't posted in about two days, but the plot continues. But first... College Girl, I just read what you had to say about my so called "plagiarism" and I must say, are you so intimidated by my knowledge of current events AND history which is far beyond your acumen, that you must resort to that elementary school technique of trying to debunk my theory by accusing me of copying? Miss History major, (even though in your post from July 6, sixth sentence, you stated: "I AM A CRIMINAL JUSTICE MAJOR and I have studied many cases, and I know "innocent until proven guilty," but I don't care what any of you say...") you have NO place to attack the credibility of anyone's statements in this forum based on your OWN ambiguity. Case closed. Now, back to the Holloway case. As we've heard in the MEDIA lately, despite the efforts of the Air Force using high-technolgy surveillance units from above (the same tech used in spy planes), there is no trace of her, and it's undisputable proof that Holloway is not on the island. This is interesting because I predicted this. But I must ask: Does the word Columbia come to anyone's mind? Whether anyone agrees with me or not, no one knows for sure where she is, but the speculation sure does point in that direction. I remain adamant that she is ALIVE, for now.

Posted by: EnkryptedKonservative at July 13, 2005 04:04 AM (6krEN)

311 Another thing, there is no evidence that a murder ever occurred, that is the MEDIA brainwashing as usual and filling in the holes for which they have no answers (the same way they reported that Holloway's body was already FOUND on June 11 - which turned out to be FAUX PAS). RDS, you could be right that she MAY NOT be in the sex ring industry of South America, but no official of Columbia has come forward with any substantial evidence or statements that suggest that she is NOT. If you think of all the technology we have used in the past from planes, we have been able to identify caves underground in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and the Four Corners sect of the United States which contain underground bases for nuclear weapons. If I was confronted with a miniscule "shoulda coulda woulda" statement from a news report saying the Alpha suspect admits that the victim was buried, the correct question to be asked would be: "Are you telling me we can find elaborate Al Qaeda caves in the mountains from Pakistan to Afghanistan back to India, but we can't find a body under some sand?" The conspiracy for a cover-up continues.

Posted by: EnkryptedKonservative at July 13, 2005 04:22 AM (6krEN)

312 I keep reading the comments and I am surprise that EnkryptedKonservatives even comes up with the theory of this girl being sent to COLOMBIA (Turn on your spell check). Have you ever been to Colombia? Have you seen the women in Colombia? Some of the hotest women in the world. So for you to imply that she was taken over there is just unthinkable. What kind of attraction would one more blonde have in a country with gorgeous women. Although your theory may be far fetched, nevertheless its always Asian men and Middle Eastern men who pay for blondes, so maybe your government should start searching further away from this hemisphere. I still ask why haven't both Chaperones and Students from Alabama been questioned? Why hasn't the FBI or Alabama police helped Aruban authorities in questioning all these possible suspects. Stop blaming the Aruban nationals, and give Fox News the status of "Persona Non Grata" and force them to leave the island!

Posted by: Informer at July 13, 2005 10:49 AM (m4TSa)

313 Informer, I've been reading the most recent postings here, and suspect that you have never been to the Carribbean. No one's questioning Natalee's friends or the chaperones because it's obvious the answers are with Joran, his father, and the two Kalpoe brothers. Several people here appear to have a sincere interest in the outcome of this case. It would be nice if everyone behaved, however. In reading through these postings, it's apparent that those who show their ass, eventually are put in their place. So just be nice, please. I think that Joran's father knows exactly what happened. His instruction to Joran and his friends, "Don't say anything" tells a lot. I think it means "they won't find a body, and in the end, they'll have to release you and you can get on with your lives."

Posted by: siren4song at July 13, 2005 12:29 PM (yQqFb)

314 Well, i agree with Encrypted that she obviously isn't on the island. Maybe not in a sex ring, or maybe so. But, if there were a murder there would have to be some sort of evidence. A hair, blood, someone that saw any of the three with her that night that saw something!!!! It just seems impossible that someone could dissapear without a trace. Maybe a couple of under cover girls should go re-live what Natallee did that night and see if anything could be found out that way.

Posted by: Dawn at July 13, 2005 01:36 PM (5CojZ)

315 Siren4song: Not that it matters, but I've been to the Carribbean, and given the environment surrounding the whole situation and the pressure being applied from the outside (US Media) then its obvious you'll find guilty ones where there aren't any. What kind of a trip is that in which the so called "Chaperones" leave behind a student because she's not on time. What kind of friends are those that let their so called "friend" leave with 3 strangers? I mean these people are all suspects....they were with Natalee before she disappeared and must know something. If they aren't guilty why the need to leave Aruba in such a hurry and not checking that everyone show up on time at the airport? Of course now away from Aruban authorities they'll never be questioned and won't have to fly back. Alabama authorities are good to lynch people but no good to question all these possible suspects. They are getting away with murder people. Meanwhile two Aruban families have been devastated with these accusations. They are the perfect scapegoats. Do you really think that almost after a month and a half, without any proof linking them to Natalee beside the fact that they were together, that these guys committed a crime? Come on....the answer is in Alabama not in Aruba!

Posted by: Informer at July 13, 2005 04:45 PM (m4TSa)

316 It never fails to amaze me. The victim is blamed for the crime. If only she weren't so stupid they say. Since when does being young and foolish about love and life draw down the death penalty. All I need to do is find a foolish person and I can rob, rape, kill, whatever. Nice logic. Let's hold poor Natalee in the proper regard and tuen up the heat on this motley bunch of scumbags that exploited her and then took her life away from her to hide what they really are.

Posted by: richie at July 13, 2005 06:37 PM (BeXTq)

317 I hope and pray with all my heart for the safe return of Natalee Holloway. My prayers also extend to her mother, so devastated -- and to all of Natalee's family and friends who must be enduring pain most of us will never know. Terrie in California

Posted by: Terrie at July 13, 2005 06:53 PM (pO1tP)

318 You guys been watching too many movies.. Colombia white sex slave ring my ass!!! There's no such thing as white sex slave ring, quit watching the tube and face reality. There may be a drug ring but quit making things up. This website is nonsense and need to shut down!

Posted by: Simon Cowell at July 13, 2005 07:51 PM (9P3Og)

319 Whenever someone is kidnapped and gone missing and you can't find a clue to what happened, most likely it was done by professionals not some kids. The whole thing is to turn your attention away from what's going on in the world. Even if you don't care what is going on in the world, you must care what REAL issues we have in America! News have always done this, there is always some stupid thing on the news that really doesn't need this much attention. WHY? Because they don't want you to focus on REAL issues going on in the country! I wouldn't be too surprised if she was really abducted by some government agents who always work together with News agencies to brain wash American people.

Posted by: Nima at July 13, 2005 07:58 PM (65jSg)

320 EnkryptedKonservative: I completely agree with everything you have written so far. From the start, it seemed Natalee was abducted into human trafficing, yes, wholeheartedly, I agree, prostitution. With as much verbalized hate of Americans as we've seen just right here in this forum is an example of why this young woman might be viewed as highly "valuable" to the "red-light districts". Keep your posts coming; and please, to anyone that is unaware, or questions, or has disbelief about Conspiracy Theories, please educate yourselves and open your mind to this abhorred reality... check out EnkrypterdKonservatives referenced sites.

Posted by: ConspiracyTheory at July 13, 2005 10:31 PM (ODKYI)

321 Informer, Nothing I've said is out of the realm of possibility, and everything I've posted is documented. Here's a site for undisputed proof that the Elite run these perverted industries all over that traffic humans (which include AMERICAN women travelling in the Caribbean) and sell them in a multi-billion dollar sex slavery business. Also, have you ever heard of Amy Bradley? It's quite coincidental that she, too, was seen in the same bar as Holloway right before she disappeared; Bradley hasn't been found in almost a decade. I suggest you research the background of the Bradley case, as I've recommended to everyone in my previous posts, as her case is nearly identical to Holloway's. Here is a site with a plethora of information on sex rings run by the power Elite scumbags of the world. The site has at least 15 stories of these rings reported from various news sources around the world. http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_elite_sex_ring.html

Posted by: EnkryptedKonservative at July 14, 2005 01:28 AM (6krEN)

322 Informer, you have some valid points. In fact, I'm going to open my mind to the possibility that we are looking in the wrong place for answers.

Posted by: siren4song at July 14, 2005 11:39 AM (yQqFb)

323 EnkryptedKonservative, Yes I'm aware of who Amy Bradley was, and the similarities to this case. But also reading various websites and the investigators report Amy disappeared from within the cruise ship not in Aruba, and plus the cruise ship was entering Curazao. Those are the facts anything else is just addition. Nevertheless I must agree with you in the information about the rings that do exist. But I still can't buy the idea she'd be in Colombia maybe in Japan or Egypt, doubtful that in South America. The websites that you give as proof can also be taken as places were X-Files fans would visit. Although some information is based on so called credible media outlets. On the otherhand my theory still is valid. Why haven't both "Chaperone" and "Students" been held accountable for the events in Aruba. Why the hurry to leave a foreign country without a memeber of the group? It'd be important to ask if there was a grudge against Natalee or who was she dating. What kind of chaperoning where these adults doing? Come on....all this is isn't clear at all. I bet if Natalee's mother start threatening with a wrongful death lawsuit against the school system and the chaperones people would start talking. She isn't helping the case by stating that she is leading her own investigation. She'll definately have to start in Alabama were the answers lie.

Posted by: Informer at July 14, 2005 12:01 PM (m4TSa)

324 My questions to your government about Natalee Holloway: NataleeÂ’s parents arrived in Aruba the day her daughter failed to get on the plane home. Her mother said she confronted Joran van der Sloot, telling him "I want my daughter back" at his parent's home around 3 a.m. on May 31, 2005. When NataleeÂ’s mother asked him a question Joran, the son of a judge in training on Aruba, responded "in the most arrogant, condescending manner" and replied "What do you want me to do?" Is this the response of an innocent man? Police told NataleeÂ’s mother van der Sloot admitted to them he had engaged in "sexual acts" with Holloway the night of her disappearance, and how did he do that? GHB, why was she told he was at a hotel that he was never at? Was he lying again? If Jordan Van der Sloot didnÂ’t kill her, then why has he kept lying and changing his story around so much? Why not just tell the truth? Why has Paul Van Der Sloot, lied and gave advice to the Kalpoe brothers Â“NO BODY NO CASEÂ”? Is he not directly involved with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway? The Kalpoe brothers and 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot were among the last people to see Holloway, 18, before she vanished on the last night of her high school graduation trip to Aruba. Why if nothing happened did the Satish and Deepak Kalpoe make up different stories? Why did Joran Van der Sloot change his story immediately after being called a liar by one of the Kalpoe brothers for stating that he had picked him up at the beach? Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers originally told police they left Carlos and CharlieÂ’s with Holloway about 1 a.m. on May 30, and drove to a nearby beach before dropping Holloway off at her hotel about an hour later. The brothers later changed their account and said they dropped van der Sloot and Holloway off together. Van der Sloot says he left her at a beach near her hotel and went home more lies are they building a web? How can he still work for the government? Why has your government not issued a reward in her disappearance? I definitely know those three individuals and his father have involvement in her disappearance,Â” It is pretty plain to see to me that itÂ’s all about money and politics. Van der Sloot is a big judge in training so the Arubans are trying their best to get his son out of trouble. Aruba also knows that if it is known that someone was murdered on their island it might have a negative impact on their tourism, which is the main source of ArubaÂ’s income. Jordan Van der Sloot may be still in jail now, but your government has tried their hardest to get him off the hook, When Paulus van Der Sloot told his son Â“No body no caseÂ” he practically admitted he either helped dispose of her body or knows his son and anyone else who may have helped him did. He seems to be very sure that her body will not be able to be found. He should not have been set free and he should have been forced to talk. Jorans dad knows what happened to Natalee. He is protecting his son in this. I think the Kalpoe brothers are innocent and I believe they dropped off Natalee and Joran around a mile from the Holiday Inn to have a little romance thing and it turned out that Natalee said no and Joran got physical with her and a altercation happened in which Joran either threw her when she was trying to run away and she either hit her head on a rock or something hard and she was knocked out. Joran then panicked and called his dad and told him I think I killed someone on accident and Paulus van Der Sloot then drove to that location and figured out what to do with the body. I donÂ’t think 3 teenagers would be able to cover up a murder without any evidence being found so thatÂ’s my input. And why did your government wait 10 days to try to collect evidence from the suspectsÂ’ bodies, clothes, homes, and belongings, you did not do that in the original two black suspects. Most if not all the evidence could have been done away with by then. And why did your police wait so long about searching certain areas, like the water for instance. .

Posted by: Dlong at July 14, 2005 12:08 PM (ptuU9)

325 Give it up on the white sex slave ring shit. Why would people want to have se with fugly white people with all of the pretty South American women. Stop being racist! Not that Natalee doesn't deserve that!

Posted by: lsL at July 14, 2005 12:27 PM (DFqnj)

326 the first week of natalee's dissapearence a radio station had called Beth to see how she was doing. And she also said that natalee called her at 4;00am in the morning!.She went to talk on a local radio and someone asked her if was is true natalee called her 4:00am the morning she vanished, and she said no. hmm.......

Posted by: geri at July 14, 2005 03:38 PM (mJTcB)

327 I follow this story everyday on Fox News. I just wish they would find Natalee or her body. I can't believe so many days have gone by. I think of Natalee's mother and what she is going through, and how strong she is. I admire her strength. Her family needs closure and I pray for that for them.

Posted by: Paige at July 14, 2005 03:48 PM (NwJzf)

328 It has been reported that the scumbags can make a minimum of $10,000 for American women matching Natalee's appearance when abducted & sold into human trafficing. How about that for INCENTIVE to little snot-nose van der Sloot? Also, remember mommy van der Sloot was away when all this went down... hmmm, it appears daddy van der Sloot had free reign to orchestrate Natalee's disappearance into the sex trade. By the way, what ever happened to the evidence found near that "lovers area" involvng a pair of white w/pink polka dot panties along with 2 used condoms & 1 unused condom? It was reported early on that Natalee's mom identified those panties as having been Natalee's. It stinks of cover-up to be sure, there's a potential of some pretty damning DNA evidence available right there!

Posted by: Conspiracy Theory at July 14, 2005 03:57 PM (ODKYI)

329 hey conspiracy, reported by who? somebody like you? i suggest you need to gather all your evidence first before talking shit? so you think american women cost that much? that's kind of cheap!

Posted by: Simon Cowell at July 14, 2005 06:12 PM (9P3Og)

330 Let's face it. Joran is going to go free soon. They can't hold him indefinitely without charging him. And, I'm sure all of us have our own theories about what happened. That's fine. But, let's not talk like that's what happened FOR SURE. I'm to blame too for making certain assumptions. Even the media doesn't have all the facts. So, let's cool it with all these fantastic theories, and just deal with the FACTS.

Posted by: RDS at July 14, 2005 06:59 PM (/b7gI)

331 When you scroll up to see all the comments.Its just plain embarrassing what some people write. ridiculous and shamefull!! The family need encouragement , not criticism and stupid stuff!!

Posted by: geri at July 15, 2005 12:24 AM (Ctd6r)

332 simon cowell: Anyone holding a bachelors degree or above would have studied HUMAN TRAFFICING at least on one occasion throughout those college years--MORONS in this forum that refuse to face reality or just prefer it be ignored need to arm themselves with knowledge before posting so as not to appear as ignorant & undereducated as they apparently are. EnkryptedKonservative: I too believe Natalee is yet alive and held captive, being used to generate income for sexual purposes. She would be considered a valuable commodity to those in the sex trade industry, but, yet, a disposable commodity, and that is the very real fear for Amy Bradley's family at this point--that she has become disposable. If anything, we the public can be sure of it is that the officials at Aruba are NOT dealing it straight with Natalee's family about Natalee's disappearance--sadly, the liberal heads will protect their own before turning over information or evidence that would prove human trafficing indeed exists and is a thriving industry that shrouds the caribbean islands. Bless you Natalee wherever you may be.

Posted by: Conspiracy Theory at July 15, 2005 08:58 AM (ODKYI)

333 If she is still alive I hope God is with her. I hope he gives her the strength that she will need to survive and that she may be found. If she is gone from this world already then I pray for her parents. My little one is only 10 months old and I cannot imagine losing him. let alone an 18 year old that has been around for so many special moments. If she is found dead then I hope that the scum that did it get brought to justice. Then when thier life is over God will have his judgement to hand down. Pray for Natalee. Not the wisest choice for her parents to allow her to go to a country that allows the intoxication of an 18 year old. I live here neat mexico and during high school senior year going down to mexico to drink was the thing to do. I never went just because it just seemed like it could lead to bad things. I think that the schools and countries need to reconsider allowing minors to enter thier countries for the purpose of "partying". If she was 21 and have gone missing then I would not be as upset seeing a 18 year(knows everything in the world) go to a country that will allow her to enjoy things adults can't even control. Its a sad thing and we just have to hope she is still alive.

Posted by: Revelation at July 15, 2005 11:21 AM (er4ry)

334 Time is running out. People still don't accept the truth because "it sounds too much like the X Files." Voluntary oblivion. No matter. Regardless of what we know happened to her, it's not up to us, it's up to the authorities. Informer, because there's a cover up at hand, that's the answer to all of your questions.

Posted by: EnkryptedKonservative at July 15, 2005 12:22 PM (M7kiy)

335 conspiracy, quit talking about yourself...

Posted by: Simon Cowell at July 15, 2005 12:43 PM (9P3Og)

336 It goes like this...Natalee was slipped some sort of date rape drug while alone with Joran and the Kalpoe bros. She slipped, hit her head on a rock and died. The boys then contacted Joran's dad for advice and he said take her to the side of the island which is shark infested. They did just that, so unfortunately her body will never be found. I think some harsher interrogation techniques need to be utilized.

Posted by: Sara at July 15, 2005 01:36 PM (I7dyD)

337 7-17-05 Some folks just cant help themselves it seems, all manner of vulgarity spewing from their tiny little brains onto this site. This is a serious case, it needs a resolution for the family and the citizens of Aruba. No, its not Iraq,or 9/11/01 disasters, but, its a human story too. Until we know all the facts that become available we should not pre-judge Natalie, her parents,her friends, her actions, or the Aruban people in general.As to daddy Van der Sloot and Noran, that's another subject entirely. Oh, the web we weave when we first deceive. Lies upon lies, they tell none true, none credible, and no one seems to really care that much at the Aruban police dept. so why?? What is the connection there between Van der Sloot and the Aruban cops? I know of 6 people who should still be in jail indefinitely, the two black security guards, three young guys seen with Natalie the night she went missing, and daddy Van der Sloot. If one would hold this group of scumbags long enough, you would get your answers. Someone would rat out the others, if release or escape was not possible from the Aruban police. Stuff rolls downhill, and at the bottom of the slippery slope lies the truth in this matter. Bojangles

Posted by: Bojangles at July 17, 2005 01:39 AM (NDIhi)

338 First of all, I have read many of the comments posted, most of them written by a bunch of horny men who have no sense of compassion for any human being. People make mistakes, of course they do, we are all human and imperfect. People who are not mature enough to accept the situation and show human amotion should place themselves in the shoes of the family. God forbid that such an ordeal should happen to you when you have children. Can you not try to understand the emotions and the terrible tragedy that the mother must be going through? Fuck what most of you "MEN" have to say. Most of you think with your dicks instead of your brain. None of you would ever in your lives understand what it feels like to have a child. THANK GOD!! Above all i give kudos to the people out there that actually have a heart and show compassion because that shows real character. Now for the people that say that Natalee is stupid you should really look at yourselves and your stupid comments. Really how dare you.. It's because of sick fucked up people like you that our world is so corrupt. I wish that you would be in her shoes let's see what you would do then.. You sick fucks.

Posted by: crystal at July 17, 2005 03:09 PM (l63mS)

339 Crystal, Do you have a child? Just curious, cause I dunno if you mouth is clean enough to be around ANY child. If you arent, than why are you saying such things like " None of you know what it feels like to have a child" ? And you generalize all men as "horny" and "sick f***s" (jesus, you got a potty mouth), yet many of them are fathers and far more compassionate than you. Crystal, are you white trash? Just curious. You sound like it

Posted by: Sheila at July 17, 2005 11:27 PM (WSp4h)

340 yup, crystal is a white trash.. she's a redneck, white trash..

Posted by: hapsing at July 17, 2005 11:55 PM (9P3Og)

341 CRYSTAL...I agree that you do have a potty mouth, but WHO doesn't when their pissed off and trying to make a their point!! Crystal..don't worry about what anyone says and just keep your focus on Natelee and her family!! Keep praying for them and stand your ground!! Like I keep saying...this website is for Natelee...let's at least TRY to keep it at that, instead of making fun of everyone!!! Please excuse me...Sheila...JUST CURIOUS...but Why do you have to Judge everyone????

Posted by: Tiffany at July 18, 2005 12:14 PM (cVNnV)

342 Sheila, Just because you took offence to the comment made by someone else does not give you the right to judge their character. Also, I find the word "jesus" to be very offensive, so by trying to prove your point about the potty mouth of someone else, you have succesfully offended others. "Just curious" as to why you can point fingers without taking a look at yourself...

Posted by: KandyJellytots at July 18, 2005 12:19 PM (WHtfA)

343 Sheila, Just because you took offence to the comment made by someone else does not give you the right to judge their character. Also, I find the word "jesus" to be very offensive, so by trying to prove your point about the potty mouth of someone else, you have succesfully offended others, like me. "Just curious" as to why you can point fingers without taking a look at yourself...

Posted by: KandyJellytots at July 18, 2005 12:19 PM (WHtfA)

344 Sheila...Come on now..white trash, if anything, that's the sick part!!! This girl didn't say anything to you AT ALL...and like always you hear something you don't like and start attacking someone that's only doing what EVERYONE else is doing (including you)...She saying what SHE thinks!!! Good Lord...why don't you start judgeing yourself for once and see what you come up with...I bet it won't be too pretty!!!

If you have ANY since of pity or remorse...you NEED to apoligize to her for what you said!!!

Posted by: Tiffany at July 18, 2005 12:31 PM (cVNnV)

345 Thank you KandyJellytots...I'm glad someone else agree's with me!!

Posted by: Tiffany at July 18, 2005 12:34 PM (cVNnV)

346 I knew Natalee, she was a rude person to me. She always treated me and my friends like shit, well until 9th grade. Then we became friends. Can everyone please send their prayers and pray for a safe return, although no one thinks shes alive? Thank you all that have helped with this investigation.

Posted by: Ashlee at July 18, 2005 05:11 PM (gMpoS)

347 Asslee, have you been sniffing farts?

Posted by: Tiffany at July 18, 2005 07:37 PM (9P3Og)

348 Sorry guys, I don't care. I will judge whoever I want, whenever I want. My choice. And I don't have any pity or remorse...for anyone. And I was responding to an extremely rude, judgemental, and just plain bitchy comment made by Crystal. She had it coming. Oh, and if the jesus thing bothers you, don't worry about it. I am the one going to hell, rememeber?

Posted by: Sheila at July 19, 2005 08:30 AM (WSp4h)

349 Tiffany, what kind of disgusting comment is that?

Posted by: Sheila at July 19, 2005 08:31 AM (WSp4h)

350 When i read the newpaper or watch tv, what is the first thing i see? Natalle Holloway is still missing. Give it up media, it's pointles to kepp telling us, no one gives a shlt anymore. One day is enough, but now it's been going on for a month and a half. My grandfather was an Italian partisan, he's seen people he fought next to, taken away by the Nazi's and never seen again, he told m about the his jewish friends working with him one day, and dissapperring the next. For every person that went to concentration camps, and were never seen again, we should be giving them a month and half of remebering this tradety, not a month for an idiot that got drunk and went missing. I'm being positive as hell here, if someone kiddnapped me, i would probably be metioned once in the news, probably because im not a rich protasent @ss fuch.

Posted by: the truth at July 19, 2005 09:40 AM (0/lbO)

351 Mr. truth is right, holloway is a stupied bitatch

Posted by: hollowaylikestherape at July 19, 2005 09:43 AM (0/lbO)

352 If you are honestly dumb enough to get wasted and walk out with three unknown men, you most likely deserve to get kidnapped. I'm sorry, but getting wasted and going with 3 random guys is certainly not the wisest decision that anyone could make. Irregardless of how accurate the cameras on those lovely F-16's are, there's no way in hell or whatever region your religion has that you're going to be able to pinpoint the girl in a photo without an army of people pouring over photos. And you still have the whole "she might be in a building" problem. Why not give the money spent on jet fuel to me? Because I could probably better spend the money, you know, maybe investing it in the economy, or maybe FEEDING ALL OF CHICAGO'S POOR.

Posted by: ihaveissues at July 19, 2005 09:57 AM (0/lbO)

353 Ok...first of all whoever copied my name is SICK and really SICK for righting that-"Asslee, have you been sniffing farts?"!!!! obviously you don't have a life, or you just don't like yours so you have to copy others!!!!!!!! And Sheila....I have never in my Life met someone that is SOOO two faced (GROW UP)....This whole time you've been making posts, you've TRIED to act so civil and nice, but then the second someone says something mean, you act like their racist or something( And YES sweetie, you DO, do that, so don't make yourself look ever more stupid saying you don't!!)...rememeber this comment..."And I know lots of people (some of my friends) cry racist anytime anyone bothers them. But I am not like that (most of the time, anyway)"....most of the time,anyway???..so you DO cry racist, only SOMETIMES,right??? Come on now Sheila!! And You must have A LOT of insecurities...considering you have to judge EVERYONEEEEEE..And in such a sick, mean way...Ya know, I don't even think I've heard you say ONE nice thing to ANYONE yet!! (Doesn't that tell you something...!) And...PLEASE stop telling everyone their a potty mouth...you cuss just as much as anyone else on this website!! Sheila...You REALLY need to grow up or at least just stop talking...every word that comes out of you mouth is either rude, mean, or just plain shelfish!!! You probably haven't even ONCE said anything about Natelee and her family OR at least haven't said anything good!!! And ohhh yeah sheila about that disgusting comment I made...Well, here's you ANOTHER one sweetie!!! And STOP being such a stuck-up and shelfish Bitch!!! And don't be upset Sheila..."I'm just responding to your extremely rude, JUDGEMENTAL, and just plain bitchy comment!!"

Well...there you go for judging people!!!

Posted by: Tiffany at July 19, 2005 04:03 PM (auxa1)

354 Have pity on yourself, Sheila!!(you'll need it)!!

Posted by: Tiffany at July 19, 2005 04:51 PM (s3eZT)

355 i apoligize for everything i said, i really didn't mean it, sorry bout all the cuss words

Posted by: the truth at July 19, 2005 07:43 PM (uLv25)

356 U people crack me up

Isn't anyone talking about the 'new' evidence that's emerged from the ocean? The hair on duct tape? I still can't believe that those three 'boys' might have killed Natalee. They look like typical guys their age. The boys next door, so to speak. Joran has a where's-my-mommy look to him. It's all very scary. If they did have something to do with Natalee's disappearance, can any of us (women & girls) feel safe again?????????????????????????????

Posted by: RDS at July 19, 2005 08:29 PM (/b7gI)

357 This is my first time on this website...WOW...half of you people are absolutly crazy! How old are you all? 3? 6? 8? LOL...you all kill me! This is a girl, yes blond, yes pretty, who DID, I agree make some pretty dumb mistakes that night but whoever let the 18 years olds go out that night,to a bar, that late? That's crazy! But it's all the person who killed her, it's their fault she's dead. Her mistakes might have led to it yeah, but she did not kill herself you know. Why don't we all shut up with our critical comments and just pray, and if you don't believe in prayer, just keep hope, please. I feel for this girl even though I know nothing about her, I feel for her family and friends also. So, lets just hold hope high and stay out of it.

Posted by: Erin at July 20, 2005 08:15 AM (ME+WU)

358 WTF, i dont apoligize, who ever is the fag that wrote that should be in holloways shoes. Erin, the reason i hate this case of natelee missing is because the media hasn't shut up about it. Like I said before, there is no reason for a month and a half reporting on some girl getting lost. This year, there has already been 340 kidnappings, what about them?

Posted by: mr. truth at July 20, 2005 08:36 AM (0/lbO)

359 1st-tiffiany and shiela need to stfu, no one cares about u guys being part of the I.B.T.C.(itty,bitty,titty,committee 2nd-holloway is missing, we get it, now everyone can shut up about it 3rd-the hair on the duct tape? ufucking retarted

Posted by: putang at July 20, 2005 08:45 AM (0/lbO)

360 sheila ur a bitch, u can just rot in hell, u like to do it with any object that moves, even stuff that doesnt move. maybe we should stop talking on these forums, and stop wasting peoples time with our midless dribble. ur dead to me, never talk to me again. u bitchatybitchatybitch

Posted by: tiffany at July 20, 2005 08:55 AM (0/lbO)

361 I HAVE NO OPINOIN, I AM A ROBOT beep beep beep beep beep ...................... computing entering picture 0 >>>>>>>> 0 Picture Complete Shutting off.

Posted by: hollowaylikestherape at July 20, 2005 09:01 AM (0/lbO)

362 erin, rps, sheila, tiffany, im goinbg to kiddnapp ur .assses and rape it, u all need to shutup, im sick of u all, oh yeah SUCKMYBALLS

Posted by: holloway'skiddnapper at July 20, 2005 09:10 AM (0/lbO)

363 I agree there is alot out there on the news and all, however, I like to keep up with the story. I was the same way with the kidnappings in Idaho, etc... I just look for an answer you know?

Posted by: Erin at July 20, 2005 09:15 AM (ME+WU)

364 LOL....LOL...LOL...who in the world is this guy? hallowayskidnapper? You wish! LOl...is this a website for adults? It doesn't sound like it. It seems like you need a little bit of help buddy! LOl....you are too funny! I am laughing at your ass right now....LOL...you have some anger issues do't you...LOL...

Posted by: Erin at July 20, 2005 09:18 AM (ME+WU)

365 I want to add two things, the only reason all these people are being suspects to the 'whereabouts' of natelee, are just scapegoats. Aruba is trying to get this case off their back and worry about other things, like hurricane Emily's destrution. They can't worry about it because the damn media keeps reporting about it, also the morons that complain to the rest of us to come down and help in the search. They also want us to pray for her. Well guess what, my prayers are going to the THREE DOZEN PEOPLE THAT DIED IN THE STORM. 2nd- What is wrong with u immature preverted jerkasses, get a life. P.S. sheila, i think u should take ur friends advice and GO CHAT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

Posted by: mr. truth at July 20, 2005 09:40 AM (0/lbO)

366 President Bush this morning said that he is confident the confirmation process for Supreme Court Justice nominee John Roberts Jr. will "move forward in dignified, civil way." Bush, with Roberts by his side, called for a non-partisan confirmation hearing, to be held by the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Posted by: mcdonalds at July 20, 2005 10:18 AM (0/lbO)

367 SHEILA and TIFFANY, both of you talk about how each other talks about other people. GET OFF OF THIS SITE. PLEASE. I am tired of reading your back and forth arguing. I am sure I am not the only one. Give each other your phone numbers so you can have it out.

Posted by: Dawn at July 20, 2005 11:21 AM (6C+QX)

368 To Everyone, I've returned and have been reading the previous comments on this forum. Have any of you remembered why you're here in the first place? This isn't a wrestling match for all of you keyboard warriors out there. This is a forum for adults to come to discuss this case, and report updates in the case. I have seen one, count it, ONE, update on this case (hair on duct tape). Everyone else has been fighting and going on like fruit fly nuisances. If you have nothing to say, say nothing at all and if you're offended, so what, this is a public forum, you don't have to respond to anyone. Keep with the topic. Speaking of updates, the whole blonde strands on hair on duct tape is a bit grotesque, and very interesting. If she was bound by duct tape, and that same duct tape was found washed ashore, it could mean she was bound, put on a boat, once they were well into the sea, she was unbound, the tape thrown into the sea (thereby she wouldn't be able to escape, if she jumped from the boat there isn't a chance she would have made it to the island by swimming). This is further proof that Holloway is not on the island and may be alive held captive.

Posted by: EnkryptedKonservative at July 20, 2005 11:55 AM (M7kiy)

369 By the way, have they not heard about the DNA results yet? If so, what did it prove?

Posted by: Erin at July 20, 2005 12:59 PM (ME+WU)

370 Great, she's alive, now i feel so much better. (SARCASM) People, this forum is here see we can talk about how wrong it is to exploit the media, or, for some people how sorry we feel for the Holloway's. I truly believe this web page was created so people could talk about; "is it right to get this much publicity for one girl, gone missing?" as for my sarcasm comment, if she is alive, thats great for her, but what if this happens again? (to a rich, american, girl) Will we be burden with newspapers, radio's, and newschannel's talking around the clock about it? I also want to add, for any idiot that says "well dont watch, read, or listen to the news". Well guess what, besides the 24/7 Holloway report, i'd like to know what else is happening around the world. P.S. if ur not talking about this incident, dont even write anything. PLEASE.

Posted by: mr. truth at July 20, 2005 02:30 PM (pKJ4M)

371 Oh yeah, krypted konservative, what do you think the topic is?

Posted by: mr. truth at July 20, 2005 02:36 PM (pKJ4M)

372 Ok, I dunno who has been posting under my name but you need to stop! I posted exactly 2 messages on this site, the rest aren't even mine! And for the people who are mad at "me", I would never say those horrible things...they are so offensive. I came to post something about the hair (but it was done) and I just want to say that that was not me.

Posted by: THEREALSHEILA at July 20, 2005 03:32 PM (WSp4h)

373 Sorry, three posts were mine: WOW. It is pretty pathetic how we can't just chill and, instead of taking comments personally, treat this like a discussion forum, where all opinions are valued. Secondly, I would just like to say that anyone who says RDS is racist, YOU'RE WRONG, As a young colored woman, god knows how few people understand the bias towards pretty caucasian woman. I think that in this forum, RDS and a few others really understand this. For those who say that race is not a factor in the media, read this article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8233195/ This article was written for MSN's race in America section, which is the best section online for unbiased news catering to people of color. Anyways, I also would like to mention the case of Shasta Groene, the poor 8-year-old girl from Idaho whose whole family was slain and her brother is now feared dead. According to the an MSN article I read, video footage from the restaraunt Shasta Groene was found at showed that she went and looked people in the face, hoping someone would recognize her. It took quite a while for this to happen. If the media had focused on this heart-wrenching story rather then spending all the time on NATALEE, Shasta could have been found sooner, and most like her brother would have also been found safe. You can dispute what I am saying, but it is sad that, despite the leaps and bounds we have made toward equality for everyone-black, white, hispanic, asian, man, woman, young, old, blond or brunette- people can't face the facts that we still ignore what is happening to people EVERY DAY. Just because the victim is not like us. Just think about that. Thanks RDS

And I totally agree that Aruba is not at fault for any of this. They have helped as much as they can, and we still continue to blame them for Natalees disappearance. But if an European woman came to America and got kidnapped (I am sure it has happened) should America be labeled as a crime infested, dangerous drug haven? I am sure that a lot of those words can truly be used to describe our oh so wonderful land of the free... For all the people who say it isn't about race, it is though. I am not trying to be disagreeable. Please look at this link for an idea of the bias of the media: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8233195/ I already posted it, but this addresses the issue in a professional, open manner. It is a lot to do with sex appeal really. People are more attracted to the "pure as snow" girl-next door, the blond haired, blue-eyed girl. People in a predominently caucasian country are more likey to sympathize with a pretty white girl than a tough black girl or guy, or even an asian girl or guy. And people can also relate to the victim's family, which gives the news networks a boost in ratings. I am not sure if Shakira Johnson (the 11-year-old black girl) who went missing two years ago was national news, but it was major local news. I think that for kidnappings, that is what it really takes to get the message out. Natalees story is sad, but better off as local news than "breaking news" all over the country.

Posted by: SHEILA at July 20, 2005 03:36 PM (WSp4h)

374 Sorry, three posts were mine: WOW. It is pretty pathetic how we can't just chill and, instead of taking comments personally, treat this like a discussion forum, where all opinions are valued. Secondly, I would just like to say that anyone who says RDS is racist, YOU'RE WRONG, As a young colored woman, god knows how few people understand the bias towards pretty caucasian woman. I think that in this forum, RDS and a few others really understand this. For those who say that race is not a factor in the media, read this article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8233195/ This article was written for MSN's race in America section, which is the best section online for unbiased news catering to people of color. Anyways, I also would like to mention the case of Shasta Groene, the poor 8-year-old girl from Idaho whose whole family was slain and her brother is now feared dead. According to the an MSN article I read, video footage from the restaraunt Shasta Groene was found at showed that she went and looked people in the face, hoping someone would recognize her. It took quite a while for this to happen. If the media had focused on this heart-wrenching story rather then spending all the time on NATALEE, Shasta could have been found sooner, and most like her brother would have also been found safe. You can dispute what I am saying, but it is sad that, despite the leaps and bounds we have made toward equality for everyone-black, white, hispanic, asian, man, woman, young, old, blond or brunette- people can't face the facts that we still ignore what is happening to people EVERY DAY. Just because the victim is not like us. Just think about that. ------------------------------------------------- Thanks RDS

And I totally agree that Aruba is not at fault for any of this. They have helped as much as they can, and we still continue to blame them for Natalees disappearance. But if an European woman came to America and got kidnapped (I am sure it has happened) should America be labeled as a crime infested, dangerous drug haven? I am sure that a lot of those words can truly be used to describe our oh so wonderful land of the free... ------------------------------------------------- For all the people who say it isn't about race, it is though. I am not trying to be disagreeable. Please look at this link for an idea of the bias of the media: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8233195/ I already posted it, but this addresses the issue in a professional, open manner. It is a lot to do with sex appeal really. People are more attracted to the "pure as snow" girl-next door, the blond haired, blue-eyed girl. People in a predominently caucasian country are more likey to sympathize with a pretty white girl than a tough black girl or guy, or even an asian girl or guy. And people can also relate to the victim's family, which gives the news networks a boost in ratings. I am not sure if Shakira Johnson (the 11-year-old black girl) who went missing two years ago was national news, but it was major local news. I think that for kidnappings, that is what it really takes to get the message out. Natalees story is sad, but better off as local news than "breaking news" all over the country.

Posted by: Sheila at July 20, 2005 03:38 PM (WSp4h)

375 ok...first of all...I didn't write that-"sheila ur a bitch, u can just rot in hell, u like to do it with any object that moves, even stuff that doesnt move. maybe we should stop talking on these forums, and stop wasting peoples time with our midless dribble. ur dead to me, never talk to me again.u bitchatybitchatybitch"...Thats just SICK...get a LIFE Dawn...you haven't even been on this site the whole time...you don't even know what's going on, So just keep your snotty remarks to your self...I've been nice to EVERYONE on this site the entire time, asking people to pray for Natelee, her family and the search teams!! All I've been is nice and respectful of what everyone thinks...but Sheila, has NO respect for anyone and I'm SICK and tired of damn racist people and her being a complete BITCH all the time judging EVERYONE!! So...I finally said something to her...just like you said something to me in your last post!!! Dawn...before you start saying stupid and untrue stuff to people, why don't you go back and read all the posts, so you'll actually know what's going on!!! Don't judge someone for ONLY a couple posts they made...I'm sure you've been pissed off before and wrote something mean, RIGHT??? DAWN...MAYBE YOU SHOULD GET OFF THIS WEB SITE AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE,COME BACK WHEN YOU'VE READ ALL THE POSTS!!!!!!!!!!!! AND...for EVERYONE else I apoligize for making comments about anyone other than Natelee...I got off track for a minute!!! Like I was saying in all the other posts I've written before...MY PRAYERS GO OUT TO NATELEE AND HER FAMILY!!!!!k

Posted by: Tiffany at July 20, 2005 04:17 PM (/qKHE)

376 I never said any of those things, that wasn't me.

Posted by: SHEILA at July 20, 2005 05:00 PM (WSp4h)

377 What on earth did you people do before the internet?

Posted by: disgusted at July 20, 2005 06:02 PM (anLPM)

378 Well I really think this is childish anyways... going back and forth arguing about what some IDOT keeps writing on our names( Whoever it is, needs to get a LIFE, and STOP causing trouble between everybody on this site!!!), This entire website has completely turned in to EVERYTHING, BUT Natelee!!!! Like I said earlier, I apoligize for drifting off the subject of Natelee...and for writing rude comments to whomever they didn't deserve!! Anyways...Does anyone know where they found the duck tape(what area)??? Someone told me it was on the opposite side of were Joran said they were????

Posted by: Tiffany at July 20, 2005 08:21 PM (7DtDA)

379 I have followed this story from the begining. All i have to say is that Joran killed her. And its being covered up. Hes a cocky asshole. Look at the clips they have of him on tv, and he has had a cocky smirk on his face several times. Hes guilty. If i had the money to be in aruba right now, i would be. And i would help with this investigation. I bet i could have solved it already. And id like to add: why didnt they search that guys boat? The one who had that boat named the tatto? Because you know thats what they did, they probably threw her on that boat dead, and drove far out to sea and dumped her body. And she was probably eaten by sharks. I dont feel they have done enough to search for clues. Its a cover up. That asshole Joran did it. And i hope in some way he suffers.

Posted by: Amber at July 20, 2005 08:39 PM (YL25N)

380 Yes tiffany. the town begins with a B. HaHa. Sorry dont remember but the town was said to be on the opposite side of aruba.

Posted by: Amber at July 20, 2005 08:44 PM (YL25N)

381 SHELIA, TIFFANY, SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU FUCKING NEED TO SOLVE UR PROBLEMS SOMEWHERE ELSE. YOU GIRLS ARE THE MOST IRRITATING IDIOTS ON THE INTERNET, oh yeah, what did they find out about the hair? TAKE MY ADVICE AND REMOVE YOUR ASSES OUT OF HERE .... god, bunch of assbags.

Posted by: putang at July 20, 2005 09:32 PM (pKJ4M)

382 To Amber You have proved one of the many points i have made. Just cause they show you joran with a "cocky smirk" doesn't mean his guilty. Also, i love how your going to help with the investigation, we already spent enough money looking for her @ss, three f-16's were dispatched. You know how much it is to refuel one of those, 3.2million dollars. http://www.americandefenceforum.com/lofiversion/index.php/t38538.html i want to add one more thought. Does anyone remeber the Runaway Bride, well it's seems she had cold feet. Guess what, starting from the day she was missing, untill she came back, it was all about her. A rich little white girl+the morons that work for the media=a slice of bullshlt that people eat up. P.S. Maybe were going to see a little DeJe Vu.

Posted by: mr. truth at July 20, 2005 10:02 PM (pKJ4M)

383 I think EncryptedKonservative and Amber are right. That is why they weren't able to find Natalee using the planes (jets, helicopters, whatever-dunno what it was). I don't believe that she was taken out of the country. They have been looking for her since day one. I think it would be hard to smuggle someone out of Aruba without notice. Too many watchdogs. But hey, it could happen.

Posted by: SHEILA at July 20, 2005 10:04 PM (WSp4h)

384 i think your an idiot. u, kryptonite, mr truth, amber, u all need to be shot, all of u

Posted by: man-o-war at July 20, 2005 10:45 PM (pKJ4M)

385 Get a fucking life losers

Posted by: Victoria at July 20, 2005 11:20 PM (M7kiy)

386 I think that everyone who has a rude comment should just keep it to themselves and just hope and pray that she is alive. I dont think it matters what mistakes she made or no one deserves to be insulted the way some of you people are insulting her.

Posted by: Patricia at July 21, 2005 01:10 AM (pO1tP)

387 I CAN NOT believe some of the comments I've read on this sight! You should be ashamed of yourselves!! My prayers are with Natalee and her family. A little advice to ALL of the ridiculous, sick people out there, don't waste our time with your negativity!! Also, I've noticed that most of you(negative people) have a hard time spelling and actually putting a sentence together. There is a thing called "spellcheck" that maybe some of you should look into!

Posted by: Jenny at July 21, 2005 03:13 AM (IIovf)

388 So, once again, did they ever find out whose hair was on the duct tape? Just curious!

Posted by: Erin at July 21, 2005 08:38 AM (rVdvX)

389 Nevermind, I just read where they still have not gotten the results back. They also just took DNA samples from the three guys of saliva to be sent off but they said that it could take up to 1 or 2 weeks to get results.

Posted by: Erin at July 21, 2005 08:48 AM (rVdvX)

390 Where is your compassion people? This is a human life that we're talking about. Imagine if she was your sister,your daughter,your grandaughter.The hardest thing for any parent is the loss of a child. I know because I, myself lost a daughter. This family is in agony! It makes me sad to see all of the disgusting things that have been written about her. I know if she was your family, you would want people to pray for her,not have her be the subject of sick and distasteful jokes. She's a human being!!

Posted by: LaurieSue at July 21, 2005 10:28 AM (riOeb)

391 I'm gonna take you advice EncryptedKonservative and not listin to any of these stupid comments coming from people that JUST signed on and have no idea whats going on!!!...I think you have givin the best advice so far about all these rude comments!! thanks Anyways...Thanks Amber..I haven't got to watch the news much lately, so I didn't know much!! Does anybody have any websites that tell all this stuff, about Natelee...All I can find are more forums...???

Posted by: Tiffany at July 21, 2005 03:58 PM (CM4jP)

392 MY PRAYERS GO OUT TO NATELEE AND HER FAMILY...I HOPE THAT JORAN...OR WHOEVER DID THIS TO HER WILL PAY AND SUFFER THE WAY SHE HAS!!!

Posted by: Tiffany at July 21, 2005 04:01 PM (CM4jP)

393 MY PRAYERS GO OUT TO NATELEE AND HER FAMILY!! I HOPE THAT JORAN...OR WHOEVER DID THIS TO NATELEE WILL ALSO SUFFER AND PAY THE SAME WAY SHE HAS!! PRAY THAT JUSTICE WILL BE SURVED!!

Posted by: Tiffany at July 21, 2005 04:03 PM (CM4jP)

394 SHEILA,TIFFANY,SORRY BOUT WHAT I SAID I DIDN'T MEAN IT, I WAS JUSS PISSED OFF. PLEASE FORGIVE ME, I WAS JUSS BEING A LITTLE ASSBAG.

Posted by: putang at July 21, 2005 04:14 PM (CM4jP)

395 Yall must not have life's comin' on here 24/7 arguing over stupid stuff and arguing over natellee Get a fucking life losers

Posted by: Victoria at July 21, 2005 04:24 PM (CM4jP)

396 They just said today in the news that the hair found on the duct tape was pubic hair strands.

Posted by: Tiffany at July 21, 2005 07:11 PM (9P3Og)

397 Hey Tiffany, do you trim your bush or do you like them shaved? I like mine shaved..

Posted by: Amber at July 21, 2005 07:18 PM (9P3Og)

398 Again....I didn't say this...."They just said today in the news that the hair found on the duct tape was pubic hair strands."....Whoever you are Get a Life!!!

Posted by: Tiffany at July 21, 2005 07:45 PM (+68AN)

399 I really don't understand some of you people. First, with the slurs against a girl who may have possibly been murdered. Yes, she did a really stupid thing. And yes, this case has gotten more coverage than it probably warrants. But Natalee Holloway is still someone's daughter, is loved by her friends and family. If something bad happened to her, she did not deserve it. No one does. Second, a word to all the conspiracy theorists: Get it into your head that this is real life. This is not an action adventure movie or your favorite tv crime drama.This is not a novel by David Morrell, Jonathan Kellerman, or Stephen J. Cannell. All this stuff about going to Venezuela to crack heads at brothels or using bounty hunters named 'Dog' to find Natalee is such nonsense. The idea that she was kidnapped for white slavery is so incredibly far-fetched that it doesn't even deserve a mention. Until we have any sort of evidence that she was removed from the island-or even that a crime has been committed, keep the random speculations and wild imaginings to a minimum.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at July 21, 2005 08:12 PM (Qs29z)

400 Also, the woman, Vonnie Ales, who went missing from the Carnival Cruise ship 'Elation' is now presumed to have committed suicide by jumping overboard. There is nothing in the news about Venezuelan Brothels.I guess it sounds more exciting to pretend she was kidnapped but I prefer to stick to reality.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at July 21, 2005 09:15 PM (Qs29z)

401 Jennifer, do you really think that she is innocent. Everyone's comments (even mine) are just theory's, things they say to make them feel better. Well guess what, i got a theory, maybe she isn't innocent, maybe she got what was coming to her, MAYBE. Also, I like how you said she doesn't deserve it. Guess what, it was her choice. Choices have consequences. She chose to go on the trip, she chose to drink, she chose to go with those "men". Sure it's not fair to her family, but guess what, it was her choice. Another fantastic example-My great grandfather choose to become a U.S. citizen, he choose to stay in america during draft, he choose to be a cook, and before he was snipped in the head by a japanese, he voluteered/choosed to deliver food to the frontline. P.S. I have no compassion, I have no soul, the only reason I live is to prove you morons wrong. P.S.S. don't get offended and write about how insenitive I am, I already know.

Posted by: mr. truth at July 21, 2005 09:46 PM (pKJ4M)

402 ok all ihave to say is to u negitive assholes that blame this on Natalee fuck OFF! me n my 3best friends were in cancun at the time of natalees dissaperance! and for yall who have never been on a SENIOR trip or jsut trip with ur close friends at 18 have no idea what ur talkin about cause i would like for u to name 2 18yearolds that wouldnt drink when they were on there SENIOR trip! and bein 18 ur legal to drink there! i wouldnt put the blame on natalee... but i would strongly question why her friends let her leave with 3 strangers! cause me n my friends never lost site of eachother n we went to carlos n charlies and its not that big of a place! so instead of talkin shit about a poor victum thats prolly at the bottom of the ocean! wHy sontu think about the statistics on 18yearolds that drink in a foreign country!

Posted by: Samantha at July 21, 2005 10:50 PM (ywZa8)

403 Wow samantha, i wish your friends left you drunk in cancun, this way you would of dissapeered, and I would never have to read a paragraph of your dumb comments. As many people in forum mentioned, the media "wants to warn"(i use it loosely 'cause that's not the whole truth) the parents about letting their kids go to other countriesto get wasted. Maybe, samantha, you should put down the joint and think to yourself; would you let your kids go to another foriegn country; to get ripped out of their mind, then go have sex with multiple partners??????????????????????????????????? You have taught me somthing here samantha, holloways parents are idiots too. P.S. Don't comment back about how your a senoir and you went to a foriegn country and just had a beer, you know you had sex too. Remeber, just 'cause i'm insensitive, doesn't meen you have to comment about it. I ALREADY KNOW.

Posted by: mr. truth at July 21, 2005 11:19 PM (pKJ4M)

404 I just want to add one more thing before i turn in, my thoughts and pryers are not going to natalle, because for time being it's going to people that have been truly deserve it, and she doesn't. You can thank the media, and the other five billion comments made about how my prayers should go to her. I want everyone to know, if your going to send me hate email, the one i posted is a fake one. (-: P.S. Hugs and kisses for all that believe the truth

Posted by: mr. truth at July 21, 2005 11:33 PM (pKJ4M)

405 I just want to add one more thing before i turn in, my thoughts and pryers are not going to natalle, because for time being it's going to people that have been truly deserve it, and she doesn't. You can thank the media, and the other five billion comments made about how my prayers should go to her. I want everyone to know, if your going to send me hate email, the one i posted is a fake one. (-: P.S. Hugs and kisses for all that believe the truth.

Posted by: mr. truth at July 21, 2005 11:34 PM (pKJ4M)

406 Mr. Truth, when I was referring to comments made about Natalee Holloway, I meant the really crude and nasty comments, calling her a slut and a whore and other things. I was not referring to comments regarding her responsibility in this matter. I may not agree with you, but what you said has merit, and I hope that teenagers take what happened to Natalee as a warning--to be smarter about their choices and more careful. I should have been clearer on that point. My apologies.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at July 22, 2005 06:36 AM (Qs29z)

407 I'm sure this is an eye opener for teenagers everywhere and for class trips planned for the future. My prayers are still with Natalee and her family. I just hope that teens take the seriousness of this situation and will think before they make many mistakes!

Posted by: Erin at July 22, 2005 08:09 AM (rVdvX)

408 Jennifer Cannon, Your faith in the credibility of mainstream media is overwhelming. There is no evidence that she is on the island, in case you haven't been keeping up. SHE IS NOT ON THE ISLAND ANYWHERE, that is the final verdict. If you presume that there is NO possibility she can be elsewhere you are absolutely wrong. You say there is no evidence that she is NOT on the island; there is no evidence that she IS ON the island. As for the possibility of human trafficking occurring along the coast of South America, IT HAPPENS EVERYDAY. Boats go back and forth between the islands on a daily basis, this isn't unknown information. I'm wondering why the search has NOT extended into South American territory when it is GREATLY DISCREDITED that she is anywhere on the island.

Posted by: EnkryptedKonservative at July 22, 2005 01:53 PM (M7kiy)

409 Jennifer, Also, I see you're a loyal fan of that horrible feminist action/adventure television show, XENA. My comment on that has no bearing on this topic, but I just couldn't hold it in how much animosity you have toward conspiracies, which this case definitely is - and the conspiracy extends far far beyond Holloway.

Posted by: EnkryptedKonservative at July 22, 2005 02:07 PM (M7kiy)

410 People, people, people... why do we try so hard to cut at each other with biting words? This blog is for people that want to exchange thoughts, theories, knowledge, contemplations, etc. regarding what fate Natalee Holloway may have met on this unfortunate Aruba senior class trip. Anyway, can anyone update me on which Aruba official wants to take a vacation in the middle of this investigation? Is it true that early September is the date that Joran van der Sloot may (or may not) be set free? Also, I know it is disgusting to some people, but, has the hair on the duct tape been confirmed as 'pubic' hair or not? It confuses me, because the news had originally broadcast that the hair on the duct tape was ~12 inches long?? I think it is clear that we cannot rely on ANY media report being entirely accurate when derived or leaked from an Aruban source. As someone had mentioned in an earlier post above, whatever happened to the underpants found & the bloody mattress--were these false reports or covered-up? And, remind me, WHO was it that found the hair on the duct tape? I hope they are doing legitimate testing to determine whether or not the duct tape had really been in the water for any length of time... or could it have been planted? YES, I am one that firmly believes in Conspiracy Theories and Human Trafficing--PEOPLE, TONIGHT there will be an episode on 60 MInutes or 20/20 (one of those respected news shows) that shows a TRUE LIFE story about a lady that was sold into the SEX SLAVE industry---PLEASE!!! any doubters or naysayers, PLEASE educate yourselves and watch this show! You will learn a reality that exists even when most of us might prefer to close one eye to it (& many people try to close both eyes it seems!). Blessings to you Natalee & to your loved ones, GODSPEED that you are found and returned safely to your family, alive & well.

Posted by: Conspiracy Theory at July 22, 2005 03:32 PM (ODKYI)

411 Tiffany, It is not my fault that someone is posting under your name. I am sorry if you were offended by my comment but you read the posts yourself. Wouldn't you want them to get off of this site? Also, I have been posting on this site for a long time. I have read each and every one. Anyway, to whom ever is posting under peoples names you are just creating arguments between people who are trying to have a logical conversation. I can't wait for them to get the results back on the DNA test and nail Joran's ass to the wall. Well hopefully.

Posted by: Dawn at July 22, 2005 03:40 PM (igMBr)

412 PLEASE READ AND GIVE SOME FEEDBACK... I've heard no mention of this and I feel its something which should be addressed. Lets look at what we know (or are being told): Guy supposedly leaves drunk 18 year old girl on beach. Has anyone even thought of the fact that maybe she was so drunk she decided to jump in the water and take a swim? I have been a certified scuba diver for 16 years and one thing that I do know is that Sharks come in closer to shore to feed at night. Down there in Aruba they have very aggresive bull, hammerhead and tiger sharks, even the occasional great white. Any of which could consume a human being. Though it can be argued that sharks are somewhat docile creatures - there are certain things which can provoke. For instance, women are not supposed to scuba while they are menstruating because the blood will attract sharks. I'd be curious to know if she had her period. Or at night, they simply feed. If one shark takes a bite and gets that blood moving in the water it can cause a feeding frenzy (with many sharks) leaving not a single trace of human remain. WHY HAS THIS NOT BEEN MENTIONED??!! Ok, or worse case scenario, one of the guys she was with hurt her and decided to dump her bloodied body in the water once again attracting predators. This all seems so simple and obvious to me. Every effort has been made to find this girl on the island and there has been NOTHING. Maybe thats because there is nothing to find. Natalee may have been eaten. I know thats a morbid thought and I really feel for her family, but it just seems so obvious.

Posted by: Eleni at July 22, 2005 05:10 PM (V6lah)

413 Eleni, you offer one more possibility to this plot. But, your theory doesn't explain why Joran & his cohorts have been lying & changing their stories, or why they had another person (the DJ) try to coraborate their "web of lies" by telling the same falsehood? The whole thing stinks of cover-up & b.s. making it is hard to fathom an explanation so simple as yours, but, I grant you this, for sure you've provided more fodder for thought... maybe not even as simple as you've stated, maybe a stupid prank was pulled on Natalee by those 3 losers, like they were sorta offering her as prey to these shore/night feeding sharks and perhaps this is why one of the Kalpoe brothers said, "Something bad happened to Natalee"... or as I really believe, they made a nice chunk of money by selling her to a HUMAN shore/feeding shark who buys women for the sex trade industry!!!! Those Aruban authorities ought to know darn well about the treacherous possibilities of which you've written, so, we cannot ignore the other obvious here, if the authorities believed Natalee's disappearance were as simple as a shark attack, then why is young van der Sloot still being held?

Posted by: Conspiracy Theory at July 22, 2005 06:37 PM (ODKYI)

414 Okay, lets talk conspiracy theories: 1. Maybe Natalee Holloway was kidnapped as some sort of mind control experiment.Let's get fruitcakes Ted Gunderson and Brice Taylor on it, they should be able to solve it. 2. Maybe Natalee Holloway was especially pure and good and was raptured early? 3. Maybe Natalee was kidnapped by those six-feet tall shapeshifting lizards that Ickes talks about? Though why they would want her I don't know..Perhaps they like blondes? 4. Maybe she was kidnapped by the Scientologists. Maybe Tom Cruise and John Travolta and Jennifer Love Hewitt have her in an underground bunker somewhere. After all, there's a nutcase who believes that the Scientologists killed Terri Schiavo, so why shouldn't they kidnap Natalee? 5. Maybe she was kidnapped for Satanic Ritual Abuse. SRA is nothing but a myth but maybe someone would believe it. 6. Maybe she was picked up by a spaceship hidden in the tail of an approaching comet? This could go on and on....if I sound mocking about these conspiracy theories, it's because I am and they are all rubbish.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at July 22, 2005 07:13 PM (Qs29z)

415 Jennifer, I'm glad we see half way, Encrypted Konserv., you had me at the first sentence, but lost me at the fourth. For the rest you people, with you so called "theories", You forgot one. Ill add it. 7.SHE DECIDED SHE DID NOT WANT TO COME BACK. Remember, theorie. P.S. Making the suspects sound bad, is not a great way to prove a point.

Posted by: mr. truth at July 23, 2005 12:35 AM (pKJ4M)

416 The news reports that I've read said that the hairs on the duct table were blond and long. If they didn't come from her head than someone needs to seriously shave. Sorry for inappropriate humor in order to make a point.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at July 23, 2005 05:25 AM (Qs29z)

417 This is all assuming that the hairs are Natalee's, of course. They may not be. As far as I know genetic testing is still being performed.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at July 23, 2005 05:27 AM (Qs29z)

418 IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING NEGATIVE TO SAY ABOUT HER THEN YOU NEED TO BURN IN HELL. I CANT BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE LIKE YALL IN THIS WORLD TO SAY THAT SORT OF STUFF ABOUT HER. MAYBE THE CIA NEEDS TO MAKE ALL OF YALL DISSAPEAR SO WE DONT NEED TO HEAR YALLS SHIT ANYMORE. YALL HAVE NO HEART AT ALL. I HOPE ARUBA FALLZ OF THE FUCKIN MAP. NOW THAT THE FUCKIN FBI IS INVOLVED THIS FUCKIN CASE IS GONNA BE SOLVED. AND THAT FUCKER IS GONNA ROT IN PRISON. AND TO THE KALPO FRIENDS FUCK YALL YALL AINT NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF PUSSIES. I WOULD STOMP ALL OF YALL LITTLE BITCHES. BEST WISHES TO NATALEES FAMILY. AND ALL HER FRIENDS AND DONT WORRY ABOUT ALL THESE LOSERS THEY HAVE NO LIFE AND NO BALLZ AT ALL. HONESTLY

Posted by: FUCKER at July 23, 2005 06:00 AM (6krEN)

419 Dawn~It's fine...I'm just as sick of them doing it(posting under names), as you are, I just don't understand why someone would want to sit there all day, causing arguments(Like you said), for no reason at all just to try to piss people off!! Oh well, lets just not let it bother us!! Anyways...Like you~I can't wait either about the DNA test results!! Hopefully they will find out SOMETHING...Joran deserves to pay for whatever he did to Natelee!! MY HOPE AND PRAYERS GO TO NATELEE, HER FAMILY, AND ALL THE SEARCH TEAMS!! LETS ALL HOPE FOR THE BEST!!

Posted by: Tiffany at July 23, 2005 09:44 AM (95CgM)

420 Jennifer Cannon, It's not very intelligent to immediately dismiss an idea because you simply think of it to be "profound" and "all rubbish." Try taking a look at the evidence in this case before dismissing any possibility of what Holloway's fate was. You're very narrowminded though, I can see that, but I'm not insulting you; you should take a look at the evidence that's been found thus far, look at history, look at what the media has been feeding us (contradictions), then the conclusion becomes clear. Regardless of whether or not you believe what happened to Holloway couldn't happen in a million years or not, the FACT remains that there has been NO evidence that REPUDIATES anything that I've said in this forum. E.K.

Posted by: EnkryptedKonservative at July 23, 2005 09:57 AM (M7kiy)

421 F*****, You say that we are going to hell, yet all that is coming out of your post is profanity. Is that not a sin in itself? Just wondering

__________________________________________________ The shark theory is really good thinking. Especially because if she was wearing any kind of pad or tampon, the water would have-dunno how to put this-destroyed it so the blood would be in open water. Who knows the crazy things people do when they are drunk? ________________________________________________ And I sincerely doubt she has left the island. It is so hard to get out of the country unnoticed, especially with people looking for you since the day you disappeared.

Posted by: Sheila at July 23, 2005 11:21 AM (WSp4h)

422 hhhmm, i wonder if the blonde hairs that were on the tape were curly,kinky ones ?

Posted by: dawn at July 23, 2005 01:09 PM (xND1a)

423 Dawn--Natalee is not a natural blonde. You can see her roots. End of story. As for the person obssessed with whether Natalee was menstruating, I'm sorry, that's just gross.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at July 23, 2005 08:40 PM (Qs29z)

424 let me start off with saying that this is an opinionated forum, Your opnion can not be wrong untill proven. So for every person that said someone is wrong, your opnion is not a fact. Now, what i think about it is that you idiots stuck to your boob tubes, need to pull your faces away from it, you have to see what media's not telling you. Just 'cause you think it's aruba's fault that holloway's missing, well guess what, your an idiot. It was the chaparones. Now i bet your thinking, what a hypocrite, guess what, i'm right, your not. FOR THOSE WHO THINK NATELEE IS ALL THAT MATTERS, REMEMBER, THEY'RE OTHER PEOPLE SUFFERING THOUGHOUT THE WORLD. P.S. If you think the news is telling you the truth, then your it's puppet. P.S.S. It doesn't put your point across if your swear in your comment.

Posted by: mr. truth at July 23, 2005 08:49 PM (pKJ4M)

425 1) Dont dismiss the period thing. Jennifer, if you are a girl, you would know a period is not "gross," but natural. It is immature of you to say that and dismiss that theory. 2) The hairs were most definely not from down there. Forensic expers would have been able to tell that straight off when they examined the hair as end to end comparison. The hair was long, remember? Mr. Truth, I think I am really starting to like you

Posted by: Sheila at July 23, 2005 09:41 PM (WSp4h)

426 Hey is there any word on the duct tape they found? I was just curious

Posted by: Patricia at July 23, 2005 10:24 PM (pO1tP)

427 Patricia- I understand what you're saying about the period thing-it is natural. My apologies. Most scientists, though, do state that menstrual blood has not been proven to attract sharks and in fact there may be a component that repels sharks. Statistically men are more likely to be attacked by sharks than women.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at July 24, 2005 08:02 AM (Qs29z)

428 Tiffany, if the hair they said they found on the duct tape were pubic hair strands then why is it long and blond?

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at July 24, 2005 09:28 AM (9P3Og)

429 I am a teacher. And I have chaperoned 7 trips wih high school students to Australia, Italy, Greece, England, France, etc. I have taken groups as large as 52 students, with only 4 chaperones, and we have had no problems. None. We prepare our students, we are a team, we take care of each other. No one travels alone. Chaperones are notified when something might be amiss. Chaperones are not on vacation, they are there to witness the experience of their students. I don't take students to drink cheap cocktails in a third world country. I guide them through a respectful journey of other cultures. This young girl made a poor choice. Her friends who let her go made a poor choice. The chaperones who didn't know she was missing made poor choices. The boys involved made poor choices. Someone made a deadly choice. As for the press coverage, take a mass media class. It isn't surprising. What is less likely to get coverage is the millions of students who travel from the U.S. to Europe, South America, Australia, every summer, without incident. No one will read articlces about the chaperones who lose sleep so students can see other worlds. We will continue to read about a naive girl who made poor choices and the person/s who took advantage of those choices. My heart goes out to her family and friends, and the peripheral strangers who are affected and the students who won't get to take trips in the future.

Posted by: a teacher at July 24, 2005 03:13 PM (J6Kfw)

430 Jennifer, I'm sure if it's pubic hair strands then the investigators will know. And if they are pubic hairs, then it's probably not Natalee's. It was probably from some blonde girl who was using the tape to remove her pubes instead of waxing them.

Posted by: mr. truth at July 24, 2005 04:28 PM (9P3Og)

431 Encrypted - do you believe in everything you hear. You sound so naive..

Posted by: Sheila at July 24, 2005 05:50 PM (9P3Og)

432 Mr. Truth, that very last comment- I don't know who it was, but it wasn't me.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at July 24, 2005 06:12 PM (Qs29z)

433 mr. truth, are you sure about what you just said that a girl can use duct tapes to remove their pubes? don't that hurt? well i guess it will probably be as bad as waxing. anyone want to answer this question? it made me kind of curious..

Posted by: hapsing at July 24, 2005 06:46 PM (9P3Og)

434 First of all, the last jack@ss that wrote something about pubic hair, is a fuch tard. If you noticed, he didn't end his comments with a P.S., it wasn't me. Second, I dont give a shlt about what's going on with Natalee. All I care about is making you people feel like idiots. Third, TODAY IN BAGDAD, A MAN DRIVING A CAR FULL OF EXPLOSIVES KILLS 14 PEOPLE. P.S. I don't write updates about natalee, I just criticize the people that do. P.S.S. To hasping, I'm not sure about the pubic hair BECAUSE I DON'T GIVE A SHLT. (sorry about the cursing)

Posted by: mr. truth at July 25, 2005 12:10 PM (pKJ4M)

435 F***er, you are the dumbest shit i have ever met, how can you put the blame of one girls missing to a whole country. MAYBE YOUR PARENTS SHOULD OF NEVER HAD SEX WITH EACHOTHER, THIS WAY YOU WOULD NEVER EXSIST. also, it's not good for a brother and sister to be married to eachother. maybe u should get ur fat ass off the couch, u sack of crap, and go down there to help the search, "IF YOU GOT THE BALLZ" BIATCH. if i ever met u, i would pound ur face into the ground with a shovel. hugs and kisses, ur pal till the end of ur short, crappy life, Guywhofucked Yourmom.

Posted by: ihavenopinion at July 25, 2005 12:42 PM (pKJ4M)

436 Once again, you all cease to amaze me! LOL...The funny thing is...you all take the time to write dumb crap on here like this. IT's crazy, if you don't want to hear or post opinions on Natalee's disappearence, then go to another posting on the Iraq, London, whatever. LOL...people, people...

Posted by: Erin at July 25, 2005 02:50 PM (rVdvX)

437 Ok, I have read enough of everyones comment's to where I can almost tell if it is actually the person that wrote it or not. If it mentions the words 'pubic hairs' you know it is not the true person who wrote it. Just like Mr. Truth was saying he doesn't comment without a P.S.. Let's just ignore those idiotic comments. I agree with the teacher that said this could be it for senior trips. It would be a sad thing to know that my children wouldn't get to go on a senior trip because of this. I would more than likely go along as a chaperone though. Not saying that I would be up my kids butt the whole time, but I would be there to make sure that they were where they were supposed to be when they were supposed to be there. Two years ago we took my son's Kindergarten class to the zoo and it was 3 kids to one adult. That's different because they are little and want to run in many different directions but, what I am saying is that there needs to be one adult assigned to a group. Maybe ten kids to one adult and that adult make sure that each and every one of the kids are accounted for at certain times of the day. Especially at night when they are supposed to be in their rooms. I am NOT blaming the chaperones at all. I am just stating that there needed to be more. There was a lot of students on that trip that week and definantly not enough chaperones.

Posted by: Dawn at July 25, 2005 02:54 PM (EWVib)

438 Ok maybe I was a little harsh on my second comment. I mean if I truley didn't give a shlt about natalee, why would I be here. Well, i'll tell you why, so I can see what blasphemy you people write about, then critizise the crap out of your comments. I have so much to tell you people, but I can't fit it in one little comment box, so i'll leave you with this. People have the right to critize, put blame, to express their veiws on anything, But when you have to use vulgar language, then say people are wrong, by using swears. If you dont agree with me or anyone else, say so in non-barbaric way. I'm talking to F***ER and ihavenopinion P.S. It's a shame that these kind of things happen. P.S.S. Honk if you believe the truth.

Posted by: mr. truth at July 25, 2005 05:24 PM (pKJ4M)

439 Has anyone heard anything else about the hair on the duct tape?

Posted by: Concerned at July 25, 2005 08:11 PM (ywZa8)

440 I'm from Alabama too I feel accosted by these people joran and his buddies that is. if she were my daughter and they let those boys loose the'd find me on them like the shadow one night.give em a taste of their own medicine. and make their parents wonder what ever happened to them!, or at least make them confess to what they did.

Posted by: james whitburn at July 26, 2005 01:03 AM (9CYk2)

441 It's obvious to to a bvlind man even that sloot senior is implicated , telling his son no body no case all the lies between those three boys tells on them. So she drank a little too much if she drank at all thats no reasason to kill and prey upon a stranger is it?they will allways have this black cloud hanging over their heads.sloots and kalpoes will always be wondering when will God punish me for that evil deed.

Posted by: james at July 26, 2005 01:15 AM (9CYk2)

442 to the person who said your hurting our island, and that she is seen everyday If you really believe that why has she not heard or seen akll of the people ansd flyers looking for her? and why do the three boys tell conflicting lies?

Posted by: james at July 26, 2005 01:28 AM (9CYk2)

443 right on holland is loose drug city needs a goodcleansing a well placed patriot would deter a lot of drug dealing there I bet.

Posted by: j at July 26, 2005 01:38 AM (9CYk2)

444 right on holland is loose drug city needs a goodcleansing a well placed patriotmissle would deter a lot of drug dealing there I bet.

Posted by: j at July 26, 2005 01:39 AM (9CYk2)

445 ALL I KNOW IS THAT FUCKER IS GONNA ROT IN PRISON AND THATS ALL I CARE ABOUT. TO WHOEVER SAID HE WAS GONNA BEAT ME WITH A SHOVEL. MAN YOU WOULD STAND NO CHANCE AGAINST ME MY FRIEND. ANYWAYS YALL SURE DO TAKE THE TIME TO LOOK ON THIS SITE AND WASTE A WHOLE LOT OF TIME TYPING UP THOSE MESSAGES. SO YALL NEED TO GET OFF THE SITE AND GO TO HELL. REMEMBER YALL DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT HER. SO WHY LOOK ON THE SITE. HONESTLY. OR LEMME GUESS TO HEAR IDIOTS LIKE ME SIT HERE AND SAY ITS RIGHT TO HAVE ALL THIS ATTENTION ON HER. B/C IF IT WAS YOUR CHILD MISSING YOU WOULD DO THE SAME THING. AINT MY FAULT THAT BETH IS SO STRONG AND SHE IS GONNA LOCK THAT JORAN UP FOR LIFE B/C HE DID THIS SHIT. THE FBI IS GONNA BUST HIS BALLZ AND HE WILL FESS UP TO IT. SO FUCK ALL OF YALL BITCHES.

Posted by: FUCKER at July 26, 2005 03:14 AM (ywZa8)

446 Children go missing in the United States each year (though statistically stranger abductions are still quite rare). Alabama has 8 missing children in the category of 'endangered missing'. One Alabama child, Heaven La Shae Ross, has not been seen for two years-she disappeared while walking to the bus stop. Kemberley Lorin Ramer disappeared from her father's house in Opp in 1997-she was 17 and there has been no trace of her. Despite all this, people are willing to boycott Aruba and suggest bombing Holland- all for one missing 18 year old? I'm not suggesting that Natalee is unimportant, and I am still hoping she is found alive and well. I am suggesting though, that many of you are overreacting and blowing this case way out of proportion. The way some of you act, you'd think that Aruba has a kidnapping epidemic and that this sort of thing never happens in the United States. It's good that you care, but let's keep it in perspective, please.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at July 26, 2005 07:29 AM (Qs29z)

447 Holy crap, jennifer, it looks like you see what's going on. For the rest of you, READ WHAT SHE WROTE. How can you people even blame others(counries), when we have problems here. My god, do you think before you type these comments. Dear F***er, do you have no shame. Next time you type one of your comments, which is all in capital letters, You should try making it sound more apealing, so more people will read it. Just a suggestion. P.S. If anyone is a F***ER, it's you P.S.S. don't just like the truth, LOVE IT.

Posted by: mr. truth at July 26, 2005 02:42 PM (pKJ4M)

448 Have you lost your mind mr. truth?

Posted by: Erin at July 26, 2005 07:50 PM (9P3Og)

449 I'm KRAZY, Muhahahahahaahhaahahahahaha

Posted by: mr. truth at July 26, 2005 09:50 PM (pKJ4M)

450 Listen....did anyone (including her mother) in the world believe this story from the getgo. Natalee is alive and living it up somewhere in Aruba. She has arranged a fabulous escape from her parents and friends, who she can't stand. Her mother and father are control freaks who never let her enjoy life up until this long trip to the beaugtiful paradise of Aruba. She said fuck it, i'm leaving and enjoying the rest of my life in paradise. Did anyone ever think about this. She could possibly be a incorrigable child hole up in this pretty faced, straight A student's body. Enough Said. She's not dead, she's sipping on myties and loving it at 18 years of age, the fact that she is the ruler of her body and life from here on out.

Posted by: Bigilo at July 27, 2005 07:30 AM (Omgv2)

451 Bigilo, If Natalee were still alive in Aruba, she would be found by now. This is national news, and a very small island. Although I wish I could agree with you, I don't see how it is possible. It is possible that she may be alive in nearby areas, but not Aruba.

Posted by: Kandyjellytots at July 27, 2005 08:51 AM (WHtfA)

452 You've nailed it, Jennifer. I think the reason so many people are fed up with the coverage of this case is because too many people HAVE lost perspective. I mean sure, she's almost certainly dead and that's a shame, but how many hundreds of people have turned up missing just since Natalee did? What makes her so special?

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at July 27, 2005 08:53 AM (CDTdn)

453 AAAHHH, it finally seems like we might be getting somewhere. I am curious though as to why these two witnesses are just now speaking. It's been two months. Where have they been? Who are they scared of? Why are they just now draining that pond?

Posted by: Dawn at July 27, 2005 09:00 AM (ToBu4)

454 Betcha a trip yo Cancun they don't find anything

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at July 27, 2005 09:20 AM (CDTdn)

455 Yeah, I agree with Dawn. Where have all of the witnesses been since now? Why were they scared? I don't understand why someone would hold information back like that. They must want the $$$$.

Posted by: Erin at July 27, 2005 10:01 AM (rVdvX)

456 Sadly Dawn, the witnessess may have been waiting to see how much they could cash in on their valuable information. Intereting how this new tip comes in just after the reward money for either Natalee's safe return or a tip to her bodies whereabouts was raised. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Posted by: kandyjellytots at July 27, 2005 10:23 AM (WHtfA)

457 Well, I guess you guys are right. It's all about the money. It makes you wonder if they are even telling the truth.

Posted by: Dawn at July 27, 2005 10:46 AM (ToBu4)

458 Dawn, I too question why they waited so long to consider draining the pond... do you or does anyone know if this "pond" is the same quarry where a cadaver dog picked up on a human scent a few weeks ago??? If so, procrastinating for this length of time is absolutely ATROCIOUS & a true injustice to the investigation & especially to Natalee's family. What could possibly have been the reason they didn't drain this pond sooner? How assinine to not pursue this to at least rule out such a possibility! I believe, if the pond & the quarry are one-and-the-same, that it is the same quarry where a body was dumped in Aruba several years ago--it had been an unsolved missing person case for some time--the only way those remains were recovered was by draining the quarry. The Arubans brag that there has only been the ONE murder/missing person case & that was the one to which they reference. So, perhaps the quarry would be a handy & almost logical place to dispose of a body, huh? Incidently, the quarry is located very near Paulus (& Joran) van der Sloot's home... surely frothed with irony, whether her body was placed there by Joran or planted there by someone else trying to implicate Joran... hmmmm... it will be interesting to see what/if anything is found. My prayers to Natalee & Natalee's family during this difficult time & may God give you closure by bringing Natalee home safe & alive.

Posted by: Conspiracy Theory at July 27, 2005 11:15 AM (ODKYI)

459 Conspiracy Theory, Makes complete sense, doesn't it? All part of the cover-up, the frame-up, and the screw-up. Think: If you were going to kill someone, the very LAST place you'd dispose of the body would be right in your back yard. I agree with you. Notice how I have completely given up elaborating on my insights about the circumstances surrounding this case. In the end, people will believe what they want.

Posted by: EnkryptedKonservative at July 27, 2005 01:42 PM (6krEN)

460 Felt like I needed to post something. It's being awhile. This case makes my head hurt. So many twists & turns & theories. If she's really on the island, dead or alive, shouldn't she have being found by now? Aruba's small, right? If she's in another island/country, then she must be so well hidden. No one can really predict how this story will end. We all have our theories. Some of them totally insane!! Just makes you wish every missing person received this kind of coverage; not to mention the million dollar reward offered for their safe return$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Life sure isn't fair.

Posted by: RDS at July 27, 2005 03:39 PM (/b7gI)

461 Maybe the whole start was wrong. Natalie is a cheerleader and in her past somebody was hurt in his feelings and this was the time for revenge.

Posted by: Agnes Hamberger at July 27, 2005 06:45 PM (kEMDH)

462 Maybe you smoke to much weed. Right now, msnbc, is showing the launch. What's the rest of the idiots doing, talking about THE SUSPECTS. MY GOD. I can tell you how much a life is worth, one day of news, thats it. "30 billion dollars for Discovery space shuttle" http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/missions/fl_iss_010620a.html Why are we still talking about natelee, when we got a F***ing 30 billion dollar airfcraft, thats starting to fall apart. Holy shlt, it's like you people only give a crap when the media tells you too. encrypted, conspiricy, is that strings coming from your wooden arms and legs. You are all puppets. P.S. Truth- Conformity to fact or actuality. A statement proven to be or accepted as true. Sincerity; integrity. Fidelity to an original or standard. Reality; actuality. P.S.S. If you can't beat the truth, join it.

Posted by: mr. truth at July 27, 2005 08:06 PM (pKJ4M)

463 Mr. Truth, This room is about media coverage of Natalee Holloway's disappearance. If you disagree with its purpose and tired of reading people piss and moan about the case, then DON'T COME HERE EVERYDAY. Simple. You don't like it, don't come. This is an open forum and everyone here is just as privileged as you are to say whatever they want. We all acknowledge the more important occurrences around the world, but this room isn't about Iraq, London, 30 billion dollar spacecraft, or why Senator Schumer just admitted that he and the rest of the Democratic party have no understanding of the U.S. Constitution; it's about the Natalee Holloway case. P.S. There are special interests rooms to discuss those topics, that's the truth.

Posted by: EnkryptedKonservative at July 27, 2005 08:50 PM (ywZa8)

464 There was a senior killed in Aruba 10 years ago from Pennsylvania-body found dead on the side of the road. The case has never been solved nor received much attention. The Aruban police force has been trained by The Netherlands force and the FBI, unfortunately in this case they have not used their training to solve this murder for whatever reason(s). The pursuit by Natalee's mother, father and stepparents to find out how she went missing is one reason for the spotlight in this case, just as it was for Lacey (pregnant mother killed in California). The constant mission by these parents to find the answers puts their children on the news. They will not stop until they know and until then we will hear about it, see it and wonder ourselves. As is should be for all of those missing. For the hair on the duct tape: they must grind it up and allow some time to identify the DNA. If they have a root of the hair it will speed the DNA identification process up. Be safe. Truly, Z

Posted by: Z at July 27, 2005 09:48 PM (bb9tG)

465 I hope that either they find her alive or dead just end all of this pain and worry that her parents must be going through......even though if they find her it will be hard on them but at least they will have some closure, and they dont have to sit there and wonder what happened to their daughter.

Posted by: Patricia at July 27, 2005 10:00 PM (pO1tP)

466 I have a quick question. Tonight on Nancy Grace they spoke briefly of a website that Joran had where he posted his conquests, etc... I was wondering if anyone knew of the URL so that we could go check it out ourselves? I don't know if in situations like this if the authorities would shut down the suspects website to keep the information safe for the prosecution etc.

Posted by: HW at July 27, 2005 10:28 PM (+0AMC)

467 The following website shows a couple of pictures that may have been posted on two websites that he had profiles on. This website is only being given for the links to the websites that he posted his conquests on--the views on the planethuff's website are for one to determine themselves: http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/000816.html

Posted by: x at July 27, 2005 11:14 PM (bb9tG)

468 TO the ones who have negitive comments towords Natalee, your all fucked up. you don't know if she walked out willingly with these fucking scums, ha - do ya? tuckermaxx what your saying is she left with these 3 SCUMS so she deserved what she got! Now this tells me somewhere in fucked up life, and don't say your not fucked up. You have done something of this kind, Right? If you have a doughter I bet you tought her not to be fucking stupid. For the poeple who live in Aruba, the ones that might know something. It takes a reward offering to come out and say what they know. Fuck that they are as guilty as the ones they set free. Do they have laws in Aruba for murder? If so I guess it's who you are, and who you know. Mrs. Holloway had said some things a while back about certain individuals, and she was than critisized. fuck those scums there hiding what they know. come on, take a lie-detecter test and don't let the one's in Aruba handleing this case give it to them. we already know what their outcome will be. I know this case would of been solved if they had honest authorities to begin with. So to all negitive ones towards Natalee. move to Aruba so you can get away with what they are.

Posted by: kencade at July 28, 2005 02:50 AM (pO1tP)

469 Of course we ALL know that the United States has no missing persons or children. And if they do, the missing person is always found and the perpetrator is always punished. Give me a break, people! This is just one 18 year-old girl-hardly an international incident. Aruba is doing the best they can do under the circumstances--I doubt that any American police department would do any better-or worse. The people who are overreacting on here would be laughable they weren't so pathetic. Like I said before, please step back and get some perspective (i.e. reality check).

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at July 28, 2005 06:38 AM (Qs29z)

470 god bless natalee and her family. all of you people suck that don't care about this poor girl and what happened to her. she had her whole life in front of her. yes i do think they should go nationwide with this story as with any other story like this one. this web sight makes me sick. how could you sit there and say "fuck that girl, shes the stupid one who got drunk and left with 3 guys she didn't know" you have never got drunk and woke up the next morning not remembering what in the hell happened to you the night before, well that is most likely what happened to natalee, however she didn't get to wake up and say "wow what happened last night". my prayers and concerns are with her and her family . my god give this girl one more chance and bring her home to her family safe and sound.

Posted by: lindsey at July 28, 2005 06:51 AM (kfcLP)

471 That's right Lindsey, I never HAVE been so drunk I couldn't remember where I was or what I'd done. And here I am, still alive!! Maybe there's conclusions to be drawn from that? But oh, you're just overflowing with compassion, aren't you? You care SO MUCH, and anyone honest enough to say they don't is just a big ol' MEANIE! I heard they took a vote in Strawberry Shortcake Land and you were declared the Bestest Sympathizer.Being a Meanie unswayed by TV coverage, I have say to that if you smear yourself with blood and leap into the lion's den don't bother to come weeping to me when you get mauled. It's a little thing adults call personal responsibility. You Oprah acolytes can clamorously ignore it if you want to, but consequences continue to operate in spite of your refusal to face reality. Don't worry Lindsey, soon your TV will tell you to care deeply about something else and you can quickly shift the focus of your self righteous indignation elsewhere. And krypticconservative, you've overlooked the most obvious conspiracy theory. Namely, that General Mills hired Cap'n Crunch to kidnap her and sell her into a life of slavery with the Keebler elves. I know people will scoff at this, but isn't it just SO OBVIOUS? Keep up the good work of unmasking these shadowy agents of tomfoolery!

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at July 28, 2005 07:38 AM (HTKq8)

472 Oh Nixons Ninja-you are my new favorite person of the day

That was a fantastic comment.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at July 28, 2005 07:54 AM (Qs29z)

473 I have an unsettling, horrible feeling that today we are going to find out some answers. May peace be with Holloway's family soon.

Posted by: Kandyjellytots at July 28, 2005 08:19 AM (WHtfA)

474 Lindsey - I also feel that each innocent person killed in Iraq at the hands of American soldiers should get just as much coverage on the news as Natalee. You willing to take that on?

Posted by: Kandyjellytots at July 28, 2005 08:22 AM (WHtfA)

475 "Don't worry Lindsey, soon your TV will tell you to care deeply about something else and you can quickly shift the focus of your self righteous indignation elsewhere". AMEN Nixons Ninja.

Posted by: kandyjellytots at July 28, 2005 08:27 AM (WHtfA)

476 No shlt sherlock, my god krypted, the whole point of this forum is to whine and bltch about the case. If you look at the statement made at the top of the forum, it will tell you that your an idiot. The whole point of the forum is to discuss if it's right to use so much media coverage. It's just you idiots change it to a "WE CARE SO MUCH" forum. P.S. innocent iraqies, come on, if they're holding a gun, they're not so innocent.

Posted by: mr. truth at July 28, 2005 09:34 AM (pKJ4M)

477 So naive Mr. Truth to assume by innocent Iraqi's I meant the ones holding guns. And how interesting that you assume that I am as dimwitted as yourself. I am talking about the INNOCENT Iraqis. (Is that not what I said in the first place?!) The innocent men, women and mostly children who are being killed daily. NOT the Iraqi army.

Posted by: Kandyjellytots at July 28, 2005 10:10 AM (WHtfA)

478 I agree with Jennifer. Nixons Ninja's comments are provocative & enjoyable. Mr. Truth is lots of fun, too. Not to be heartless, of course. It's horrible what happened to Natalee. It would still be horrible if it happened to any other person, regardless of race, gender, age, status, etc. I think the media & our culture does a good job at sexualizing everything. Hence, the over-the-top coverage of Natalee's case. Also, American society seems to buy into age-old stereotyping when it comes to anything young, white, blond, & American-as-apple-pie. I also agree with NN that there's being a sickening amount of self-righteous indignation & fake concern over this one person. HOW COME WE DON'T SEE COVERAGE OF THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE STARVING IN NIGER & YES, ALL THOSE DEAD IRAQI CIVILIANS?????????????????? This world is SOOOOOO HYPOCRITICAL. I also agree that if you jump in & go swimming with sharks, you better be prepared to get bitten/eaten.

Posted by: RDS at July 28, 2005 10:58 AM (/b7gI)

479 Alien Abduction!!! Think about it, many people dissapear all over the world and are never found. Just recently here in my country two men dissapeared and their belongings were intact. There is something out there harvesting humans one by one. Poor Natalee was just another victim.

Posted by: Al Dan at July 28, 2005 03:30 PM (tqwUq)

480 You guys are all fool of shit.This is the time to come togehter and pray for that poor missing girl. You people sending in you emails with negative comments are just talking out of your ASSES. We all know that she dint make the best decision but this is not the time to judge her. Plus we dont know what really happened thats there side of the story. Natalie is not here to defend her self. We just know what the 3 boys are saying. THERES A LOT OF EVIL & SICK PEOPLE OUT THERE. AND STORIES LIKE THIS ONE ARE GOING TO KEEP ON HAPPENING BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST DONT GET IT. God bless the Halloway Family. My prayers are with you

Posted by: Michelle Young at July 28, 2005 04:25 PM (vQgpv)

481 Michelle Young- There have been evil and sick people in this world since the first year humankind walked on this earth. It's hardly a revolutionary piece of news. Times change but human nature never has. We all 'get it'. But simply accepting this fact is not going to change anything.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at July 28, 2005 04:42 PM (Qs29z)

482 Everybody, I came upon this link about the DNA testing of the hair. I know it's not Natalee's but ".... believe to come from the hair of a missing person in Triless Niber... " Not sure exactly where that is but it also said that it did not come from the scalp because of the roots. Here is the link.. http://www.dutchnatlnews/world/arub~invest.html P.S. So sorry if I did not believe whoever said that they were pubic hairs.

Posted by: mr. truth at July 28, 2005 08:54 PM (9P3Og)

483 Mr. Truth - Well done. And sorry for any harsh comments I may have made to you in the past.

I feel as if a lot of us agree and are arguing the same points, so I guess there is no need for hostility. I guess the biggest issue I have is the fact that entertainment news like CNN picks and chooses news stories that dictate what we care about. Although people are killed and/or missing in the world every day, we all know and care about Natalee specifically. CNN wants viewers, and an attractive young lady missing in Aruba draws them in. I, for one, am simply interested in a much more general sense, because I consider myself to be an intellegent, open minded individual. The process involved in entertainment news facsinates me. However, it is hard to not get sucked in to the addicting, biased nature of CNN. For everyone on this board, the best advice I can give is to try and remain open minded, and do not form oppinions based on what you see on CNN.

Posted by: kandyjellytots at July 29, 2005 07:50 AM (WHtfA)

484 Thank God for the Internet. Just a few years ago I was left to my own devices, seething and railing against the TV in the privacy of other people's homes, denouncing Dan Rather for a fraud and frightening the children. It's so refreshing to have a voice, albeit a very small one, and the chance to make observations that CNN has no control over. Down with the fattened media jackals, I say! (I'm starting my own news outlet, and Jennifer Cannon should look upon it as an open forum, since her comments are brimming with common sense and wisdom.)Now, any bets on what story du jour shall rise up to take the place of Natalee? My money is on Tom Cruise getting caught abducting cheerleaders for Scientology. Any takers?

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at July 29, 2005 09:52 AM (HTKq8)

485 EncryptedKonservative, it doesn't matter what Mr. Truth says. He can say whatever he wants on this board. Have you ever heard of the first commandment? The right to free speech? Well until then, then leave him alone.. You need to review your commandments before you start telling people that they are not welcome to post on this board. Thank you very much..

Posted by: RDS at July 29, 2005 11:14 AM (9P3Og)

486 I just thought I'd share my experiences last night. My boyfriend and I went jetskiing at a local lake. He was riding his jetski in front of me when he rode over something and splashed all over my body. It turned out to be a human excrement! I couldn't get the smell out of me. I did not mean to offend anywone but I just want to let the readers know that some people are gross. They need to take care of their business in a private room.

Posted by: Michelle Young at July 29, 2005 11:30 AM (9P3Og)

487 Michelle Young, you must be a redneck..

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at July 29, 2005 11:36 AM (9P3Og)

488 look, i know that it's horrible to lose a child, but don't make it to much just becuzz u have the money for it. she made the mistake to go out drinkin on her age of 18, to go out with people she doesn't even know and to leave on the last night. i mean wouldn't u wanna spend it with ur friends? and don't give aruba and the people the fault cuzz she made that dessision on her own. and just like there are people who find natalee a beutifful girl and did something to her, the same people could be there where se lives, so don't go blame somebody else. she had to disside if she wanted to dy that night, cuz she got in that car with those boys and i gues that she got an overrdossis (that's what i heard) and yeah they freaked out and did not know what to do with the body. but if u ask me, i don't think the police should keep lookin on aruba cuz that island is to small and if she is on that island they would've found her by now. and i think (although allot of other people think that to) that they just dummped her in the ocean.

Posted by: t.g.l at July 29, 2005 12:32 PM (5rYSH)

489 Once again someone uses my name. I dont care, ok. Why use my naem if everyone knows I dont care. I Build my self up as a egotistical jerk, and you ruin it by slandering my name with your dumb "I care" questions. Well I'm just one made little conservative. I'm not going to end with a P.S., because i really didn't get to make fun of anyone's commments. Ah screw it P.S. confucius say: the truth is better then the false.

Posted by: mr. truth at July 29, 2005 01:26 PM (pKJ4M)

490 Also, TGI, your my new friend. Join the legion of truth

Posted by: mr. truth at July 29, 2005 01:28 PM (pKJ4M)

491 I don't want to be your friend Mr. Truth. You are on your own if no one wants to befriend you. I think there is something wrong with you.

Posted by: t.q.l at July 29, 2005 03:04 PM (9P3Og)

492 Personally I think you'd be lucky to have Mr. Truth as a friend. He's a cool guy.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at July 29, 2005 03:09 PM (Qs29z)

493 All you people who are saying its just because of who she is are pretty ignorant because, it could very well be that her parents want everyone to know about it because they care a lot about her. People do stupid things all the time u know she was drunk have yall people never been drunk before? Sometimes u mess up when ur drunk or even if ur not.I do not agree with her friends letting her go but u never know she could have sneeked off and left or anything. No one making these commets really knows the truth. Unless u were there or whatever else reason u would know.

Posted by: lacie staton at July 29, 2005 03:09 PM (M7kiy)

494 Ok, 'X' up there on the 27th posted a website that I haven't heard of. I went because I was curious and found that they had said in the begining that there was a bloody mattress found somewhere. Where have I been? It isn't even mentioned in this forum by anyone.(Well, that I read anyway). Is this bull or did they really find one in the begining and are covering it up? Also, I am very disappointed that the hair was not hers. Well, I know that Twitty was glad to hear that it wasn't her daughters and I fully understand her point. If it was hers then she is definantly dead. This gives her hope that she is still alive. But, I think that more than likely she is dead and I was just ready for some kind of evidence to put Joran away. But, like I have said before, if she isn't dead then there more than likely wouldn't be any evidence found.

Posted by: Dawn at July 29, 2005 03:18 PM (GzOas)

495 Me too don't want to be your friend. hahaha!

Posted by: Dawn at July 29, 2005 03:20 PM (9P3Og)

496 As far as I know, no one forced those drinks down Natalee's throat. She got herself drunk and climbed into a car with strangers. These actions have consequences. It's a cop out to rationalize and say that 'everybody does it'. Everyone does not go out and get drunk-some of us know how to drink responsibly.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at July 29, 2005 03:25 PM (Qs29z)

497 Whoever is posting under people's names, I am sorry but like I said before, I have made no nasty comments to anyone and I think that everyone can tell when it is the correct person or not.

Posted by: Dawn at July 29, 2005 03:47 PM (GzOas)

498 That last post 'supposedly' from me was NOT FROM ME. DICKHEAD, whoever posted under my name. I've no beef with Mr. Truth or Enkrypted Konservative. Some people have lost ALL PERSPECTIVE regarding this case. Do ya'll know that there's a missing black pregnant woman in PA, I think? DOES ANYBODY CARE??????????????????????????

Posted by: RDS at July 29, 2005 05:53 PM (/b7gI)

499 I think I might care...will Geraldo be covering the case? Will Fox feature half hourly updates with graphs and interviews with the pregnant PA woman's third grade lunch lady? What color ribbons will be used to raise awareness, since yellow is SO passe and green clashes with my rosy young cheek? Will my vocally expressed distress win me points with my co-workers around the water cooler? No sense in caring if it doesn't impress anyone with my sensitivity, is there? Once all these details have been worked out I may get onboard the compassion wagon, unless something more interesting comes up such as Brittney Spears getting her labia pierced. You have to have priorities, after all.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at July 29, 2005 07:10 PM (goEPa)

500 Yes, there is a missing black woman from Philadelphia, PA. She went missing after her OB appointment. A man has created a fund to raise money to have her case highlighted. His cause is for those from the projects that are forgotten quickly after they go missing. The bloody mattress was from a dead dog that was found near it.

Posted by: x at July 29, 2005 07:25 PM (bb9tG)

501 Of course, someone has to write a song about the missing person. The song must be sappy, and preferably penned by a Christian Contemporary artist. You have to have something for the followers to listen to and weep over.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at July 29, 2005 07:32 PM (Qs29z)

502 When one (normally females) stays with a family from South America you are asked to be careful when walking alone or may even be escorted by a male from the family. As a U.S.A. citizen it ranges from the value of your passport to ransom, etc. The times have changed much more over the last couple of years and one must be aware of the dangers in many places throughout the world. Travellers should continue to enjoy the world, but just take extra precaution than you did before. Without bringing conclusions to the Natalee case, there are big problems with women being abducted in the Mediterranean area and the island of Cyprus has a huge police force that many times intervenes and saves these women.

Posted by: y at July 29, 2005 07:39 PM (bb9tG)

503 You need to make up your mind Mr. Truth. Your not so truthful afterall..

Posted by: kandyjellytots at July 29, 2005 08:05 PM (9P3Og)

504 Last post wasn't me. As usual. Honestly get a life. It isnt much use to impersonate people when they know what your doing.

Posted by: SHEILA at July 29, 2005 08:12 PM (aAmJ0)

505 Good point, Jennifer. Here's a little song I wrote in light of your concerns. Clear Blue Angel God was walkin' up in Heaven, In his arms a fluffy lamb, He was talkin' with the angels, He was munchin' on some ham. Chorus: Said yeah yeah yeah! God said,"My rainbow's pretty but it lacks a certain hue representin' unchained goodness, And that color is clear blue!" And the angels set out lookin' For someone to fill the gap Among us earthbound humans Sprawled upon this earthly map Now our hearts are nearly breakin', And out sight's awash with tears, For they took our PA angel While we was sittin' on our rears. Final chorus: Said yeah yeah yeah! Uh-huh....hmmmm-hm!Glory!

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at July 29, 2005 08:23 PM (goEPa)

506 ... and what's up with the missing woman in Philadelphia. It's not that I don't care but this site is getting out of hand. This board is about Natalee. So if you want to post anything other than her, go to another website.

Posted by: SHEILA at July 29, 2005 08:26 PM (9P3Og)

507 Your song is nice but don't you think it's corny to put it in this site?

Posted by: RDS at July 29, 2005 08:30 PM (9P3Og)

508 Nixon's Ninja- That is a brilliant song*L*

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at July 29, 2005 08:37 PM (Qs29z)

509 I am impressed, so impressed that you can go on and on and talk about all sorts of irrelevant things and one mention of the black/hispanic girl Latoyia from PA who, BTW is 5 mons pregnant and has a 7year old daughter at home wondering where she is and automatically it's like "oh, if you want to talk about something other than Natalee go somewhere else" why not say that for every entry that does not pertain to Natalee. I know and it is so obvious, so long as Latoyia is not white with blond hair and light skin, she is not important and not worth the human form God gave her. What is it with people like you? Do you not realize how callus you are being by accepting tons of of-topic comments and not being able to digest one of another missing women, who's family doesn't have Holloway money to help in her search. Natalee went out and made the wrong decission and while she didn't deserve what happened to her, Latoyia was on her way home from an appointment at the local doctor's office when I supspect, she met with foul play. Doesn't she deserve 10 seconds of your time. Oh, Right, no because she's from the low to middle class, isn't the right color and you just don't give a damn. So much for pretending to care and be human. God's Law is part compassion, sympathy and empathy. Pray for these missing women but do not ever discount one for not meeting your cryteria of importance. May Gods peace fill you and surround you. Blessings to both Latoyia's and Natalee's Families.

Posted by: Impressed at July 29, 2005 11:26 PM (xRWd/)

510 Gee Impressed, now look what you've gone and done! Splashed your insufferable self righteousness and Victimhood all over my new shirt! It's totally ruined--the stains will never come ot, to say nothing of the stench of race baiting. You owe me 22 bucks! Be thankful that as a merely middle class honkey I can only afford to shop at Sears!

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at July 29, 2005 11:50 PM (goEPa)

511 nixon's ninja, are you a racist?

Posted by: hapsing at July 30, 2005 06:41 AM (9P3Og)

512 Hello all, I want to respond to "y's" post above about women being abducted in the mediterranean all the time, because, indeed, "y" has hit the nail directly on the head with this one! And, I agree, when travelling to foreign lands, women must use caution, and it is EXCELLENT advice to suggest that women are accompanied by a male companion. It is known that there is a great market for American women to be bought & sold in some foreign countries. Yes, believe it or not these women are being abducted against their will, and trafficed illegally into prostitution in foreign lands. People, please know this... if you doubt this fact or simply cannot fathom that such heinous crimes exist of stealing women, please, take some college courses involving Sociology & Psychology & such, and if you're fortunate enough to find a class that targets this exact crime against women, by all means, educate yourself & take it! You will have an eye-opener into this dark world into which some women fall prey. Human trafficing is indeed a valid, lucrative crime and no matter how much we may wish to pretend or ignore the facts, human trafficing exists. GODSPEED in Natalee being found & returned to her family, alive & well.

Posted by: ConspiracyTheory at July 30, 2005 06:58 AM (ODKYI)

513 I personally do not believe in American women being abducted in the Carribean. I also do not believe in the human trafficking you guys are talking about. I mean come on!, have you ever seen a person being trafficked like drugs? Those were just Urban Legends, this is the new millenium. People who believe in Urban Legends just can't face reality.

Posted by: kandyjellytots at July 30, 2005 07:59 AM (9P3Og)

514 I do believe human trafficking does take place in some poorer countries like Thailand, however, suggesting that that's what befell Natalee is unconvincing.Also, I think I should clarify what I mean by trafficking--It's not as though these Thai girls (and I use Thailand because Bangkok enjoys the dubious reputation that it does) are kidnapped and smuggled around the country, cleverly disguised as rubber trees to foil the police. They drift into urban areas because they are poor and uneducated, and ruthless people take advantage of their situation and turn them into prostitutes, taking any money they do make and keeping them in what amounts to slavery. . Suggesting that American girls are routinely kidnapped and trafficked sounds a lot like the Satanic Ritual Abuse hysteria of the 80's. Tons of iron-clad evidence was given, experts on ritual abuse sprang up like weeds, Geraldo even did a special on the subject. (Come to think of it, why is that guy always on hand for sensationalism? Isn't he overdue for a stout butt kicking by now?) But at the end of the day cooler heads exposed it as the witch hunt it was, far too late to avoid the damage all the fear and false accusations had wrought. Saying Natalee was sold into some weird sex slavery is irresponsible and only whips people into an unproductive frenzy, jumping at shadows and muttering about the Illuminati and alien abductions.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at July 30, 2005 08:19 AM (HTKq8)

515 so nixon's ninja, are you a racist?

Posted by: hapsing at July 30, 2005 08:24 AM (9P3Og)

516 Hapsing, was that a serious question? Do you really fail to grasp the gist of my post, or are you just feigning ignorance in an effort to discredit me? Flinging the word Racist around is usually the opening salvo in a character assassination campaign, especially in universities and similar strongholds of the Thought Police.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at July 30, 2005 08:24 AM (HTKq8)

517 Ho Hum. Not my post again. And for the record, this whole thing is about how this ONE case has saturated the media, and there is worse things happening elsewhere. So don't say that we are all going to hell for mentioning how biased the media is and how we should be praying. Because that is not what this board was made for

Posted by: SHEILA at July 30, 2005 08:50 AM (aAmJ0)

518 Sheila, Do you see my point, here they go talking about human trafficking and you haven't mentioned anything about this being Natalee's post yadayada! BTW Nixon I don't know if your a racist or not but I wonder why Sheila has a problem with a single mention of one Latoyia Figueroa..hmmm makes you think. And no, I now that you have seen what I meant are you going to say that I was being self righteouse. Also, I am no victime, I am lucky that I am a nice little white american girl however, beleive that God loves all of us and we should all benefit from our humanity, we should all be home safe and sound with our families not just Natalee or me and my sisters but all men and women of all color's, shape's and size's. Please don't be sarcastic about it, I am being truly sincere. Once again, many blessings and God's peace to both Natalee and Latoyia Figueroa's families.

Posted by: Impressed at July 30, 2005 09:24 AM (xRWd/)

519 Sheila, please disregard the above mention to you, I see that it was not you so may the fake sheila take what I said. Their is so much else going on in the world and we need to see that and understand that, we can't just accept everything that one news cast brings us or one paper, just look around at the other sources. Peace be with ya'll and God Bless

Posted by: Impressed at July 30, 2005 09:29 AM (xRWd/)

520 nixon's ninja, i was just curious. you didn't sound right when you answered impressed's previous post. besides, why answer a question with another question? even impressed is wondering if you are a racist or not.

Posted by: hapsing at July 30, 2005 10:02 AM (9P3Og)

521 Yes Hapsing and Impressed I am a racist. I live in the deepsouth and that's how I grew up to be and that's none of your business. By the way Impressed, please use a spell checker before you post.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at July 30, 2005 10:11 AM (9P3Og)

522 "So, Nixon's Ninja, have you stopped beating your wife yet?" My! What leading questions you do ask! You'll just have to decide for yourself. If you found my post racist then a racist I must be! Or not. Just for the record, though, why answer my question to your question with a third question? Are you an Loopist?

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at July 30, 2005 10:16 AM (HTKq8)

523 What a way to come out of the closet. You don't need to be posting on this site Nixon. Please leave this site immediately!

Posted by: RDS at July 30, 2005 10:18 AM (9P3Og)

524 what's a loopist?

Posted by: hapsing at July 30, 2005 10:21 AM (9P3Og)

525 What is it that you object to specifically, RDS? Usually 'come out of the closet' has a homosexual overtone. Since nothing I've said could be so construed by even the wildest naysayer, I'm a little puzzled. I do find it fascinating that you immediately try to muzzle me for reasons as yet unclear. Nothing like the old gag order to supress the opposition, huh?

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at July 30, 2005 10:40 AM (HTKq8)

526 Of course, I may be a sucker responding to the same imposter who posted (badly) under my name. In that case, RDS, let's have a beer and laugh at Alec Baldwin!

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at July 30, 2005 10:49 AM (HTKq8)

527 nixon, what's a loopist?

Posted by: hapsing at July 30, 2005 10:53 AM (9P3Og)

528 Sorry I don't drink beer, you can drink on your own.

Posted by: RDS at July 30, 2005 10:56 AM (9P3Og)

529 So Nixon's Ninja, I mean Nixon's Racist. Can you sing? Why write a song when you can't sing? RDS was right, it's kind of corny,.. especially the part that says.. "While we was sittin' on our rears". It sounds too redneck, you really are from the deep south. You need to go back to school and learn grammar.

Posted by: Simon Cowell at July 30, 2005 11:24 AM (9P3Og)

530 Well, how about that, Jennifer? A Pariah in under 48 hours! Bet you can't do it in TWICE that amount of time!

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at July 30, 2005 11:39 AM (HTKq8)

531 so what is a loopist?

Posted by: hapsing at July 30, 2005 11:40 AM (9P3Og)

532 After my DOESN'T ANYBODY CARE comment, everything else has being posted by the same DICKHEAD who has hijacked my name. I hate to say this out loud, 'cus there are decent people posting on this site, but FUCK YOU LOSER. DO YOUR OWN DAMN POSTING UNDER YOUR OWN DAMN, WORTHLESS NAME. Hapsing, if it's really you, then GET A LIFE!!! Stop asking people if they're racist. And, what about the well-known, missing, colored woman's name I asked for ages ago??? If you can't contribute anything remotely sensible, then SHUT UP & GET LOST. Nixon's Ninja, let's have that beer

I've no beef with you. Or, Kandyjelly whatever or Konservative. Whoever's hijacking people's names, STOP IT RIGHT NOW. To all those well-meaning, decent posters, please excuse my foul language. But, I'm SO PISSED OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: RDS at July 30, 2005 01:03 PM (/b7gI)

533 Nixon's Ninja- Probably not, but a girl can always try...

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at July 30, 2005 01:04 PM (Qs29z)

534 Hapsing- If you want to know what a loopist is, look it up. You have the whole of the internet at your disposal, and presumably you can read. Why should we do your work for you? And stop asking people if they are racist. There was nothing in Nixon's Ninja post that even suggested racism.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at July 30, 2005 01:07 PM (Qs29z)

535 rds, i have no problem with you. i only ask that question if someone makes a statement that sounds racist. jennifer, i'm not asking you to look it up. i'm asking nixon.

Posted by: hapsing at July 30, 2005 03:50 PM (9P3Og)

536 HAHAHAHA!!!! YOU ARE A BUNCH OF FUCKING IDIOTS! I KNEW YOU GUYS WOULD FALL FOR THAT CRAP. NOW NO ONE KNOWS WHO'S TELLING WHAT. I HAVE SUCCEEDED AGAIN! FUCKERS!!!

Posted by: LOSERS at July 30, 2005 05:02 PM (9P3Og)

537 I don't see why Nixon should have to look it up for you either, hapsing. You aren't feeble or something.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at July 30, 2005 05:45 PM (Qs29z)

538 Everybody watch CMN, if I heard correctly they have found of what looks like a body wrapped in thick blanket in the landfill. These boys are going down. Hapsing, for your information loopist is not in the dictionary. Do you mean loopiest?

Posted by: ConspiracyTheory at July 30, 2005 07:17 PM (9P3Og)

539 Hapsing, It's not a real word, is it? You asked if I were a racist (which was a silly question, as Jennifer points out--nothing I said was even faintly racist--do you even understand the debate that's been going on?) I then went on to say that asking a question after the question I asked in response to YOUR question...it was a loop of questions, right? RacIST-loopIST. See the connection now? I'd hoped it would eventually dawn on you, as these things rarely have any impact when they have to be explained in excruciating detail. RDS, the beer's on me, my friend

And let's expand our laughter to also cover Tom Cruise and Scientology! LOSER, I fell for it to such an unbelievable extent that I even posted the possibility that you were hijacking mine and RDS's name.And then the way I just sort of laughed it off instead of attacking anyone and getting really angry? Wow, you sure won THAT round

Clever, clever LOSER that you are!You sure showed us! Now we ALL wish we were unable to think of anything original or interesting to say, just like you! Will you tell this story to your select band of high society compatriots next time you're comparing the size and consistency of your pimples and smoking oregano behind 7-11? They might even award you the coveted Wil Wheaton Award in Dumb Assery! Now I feel like I've truly been brushed by Greatness... Jennifer, I have to confess I'm completely smitten with you

Come away with me to Japan, where we will spend our days searching for American junk food in Japanese mini marts and jeering at the French

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at July 30, 2005 07:20 PM (HTKq8)

540 Probably another false lead from someone hungering and thirsting after the reward money, Conspiracy. Are we really to believe someone witnessed the dumping of a human body and waited until now to come forward?

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at July 30, 2005 07:25 PM (HTKq8)

541 Screw Aruba. They are a bunch of stupid people that can't even handle a simple investigation. Natalee is missing for 60 days and then the Aruban gardener and woman that was"staring out her window" saw things that they couldn't reveal 60 days ago. Maybe these assholes should get jobs, and then they won't have to wait till Natalee's family and friends up the reward. And stop talking about a white blond. Don't be jelous taht your daughter or you will never look like Natalee. This is a missing girl. everyone is so quick to pull out the race card. Get Over It! If black people would stop acting like what they are stereotyped to be they wouldn't be referred to as something other than black. The problem with you people is your never on target. This is a missing girl. Some day many of you will have children and you will know how it feels to "not know". Natalee's family doesn't know where there daughter is. Stop being so damn immature and start being an American and sticking together for our people. Everyone likes to talk about other people that are missing and soldiers and drugs. If you people have issues with those things then take care of them. Become an advocate for these victims. Stop sitting behind a computer screen and talking shit about a human being. Lastly, don't support Aruba, all they want is our money. God Bless you Natalee

Posted by: screwaruba at July 30, 2005 07:42 PM (NXW0m)

542 I don't know why I'm so horny these days. P.S. Jennifer do you shave your pubes?

Posted by: mr. truth at July 30, 2005 07:55 PM (9P3Og)

543 Oh yes, because in AMERICA we always solve every case in under 60 days! Oh, except for the THOUSANDS of unsolved cases, the THOUSANDS of missing persons, the THOUSANDS of murders go unsolved. Remember Jon Benet Ramsey? I bet her killer wakes up in his cell every day cursing the ruthless efficiency of our police force! Oh wait....Well, what about Nicole Simpson! Yup, justice was certainly meted out to HER killer! Those silly, backward Arubans!! Blaming Aruba for being unable to find this girl is just foolishness. And then to tack on a demand for maturity on top of all that nonsense! As far as being jealous that my daughter or myself will never look like Natalee: A. I don't have any kids, and B. I don't even find her especially attractive. She's pretty in much the same way pictures in hotel rooms are pretty--bland, inoffensive, and not worth a second look. People are entitled to say anything they want to, whether sitting behind their computer screen (just like you're doing, by the way) or having a cup of coffee at the 'Stop The Natalee Media Frenzy Cafe'. So please spare us the morality lecture.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at July 30, 2005 07:55 PM (HTKq8)

544 Screwaruba, Wow. Let me just say that your post absolutely disgusted me. It is people like you who shame the face of our country. No. 1) It is not "Arubas" fault as a whole. That is completely discriminatory. You cannot judge an entire group by a few people. If that was the way people looked at America and our leaders, no one would EVER come here, would they?

_________________________________________________ No. 2)"And stop talking about a white blond. Don't be jelous taht your daughter or you will never look like Natalee." If you had any sense or decency, you would have looked at the other posts and realized it isn't about being jealous of Natalee. Some of us are angry that the media caters to the white majority of this country, and most white people find other whites attractive. And for the record, I really don't want to look like Natalee. That is what got her in the backseat of a car making out or whatever with Joran, wasn't it? :p Anyone who thinks that I was making a crack at Natalees expense I wasn't. I was simply pointing out what she did wasn't very smart on her part. _________________________________________________ No. 3) "Stop being so damn immature and start being an American and sticking together for our people." "If black people would stop acting like what they are stereotyped to be they wouldn't be referred to as something other than black." Well, you completely missed your own point, didn't you? If you were any "American" you would realize that America isn't white white white, and some americans are brown brown brown. You should be "sticking together for our people" shouldn't you? :p And black people dont act out a stereotype. This is again the discrimination towards a group of people owing to your ignorance. I could always say that southern whites are always "acting like what they are stereotyped" which are rednecks, getting pregnant when they are not legal, racist, and stupid as hell. I could say that white girls in the inner city are "acting like what they are stereotyped" which is poor trailer trash. But I don't think that, because I don't judge the whole pop. by a few bad ppl. No.4) Aruba doesn't want our money, i doubt that. Considering we are in a billion dollar deficit anyway (you probably didn't know that, did you?), I doubt we would have anything to spare. Not very bright, are you? No. 5) The only people who are putting down Natalee are the people who aren't involved in the discussion and who only came to be asses in cyberworld rather than be asses in the real world. But you seem like you would be an ass in both. So your "special", aren't you? If anyone thinks this post was reverse racism or something like that, its not. I was just making a point. If you are offended by anything I said, sorry. But this person just pisses me off.

Posted by: SHEILA at July 30, 2005 08:10 PM (aAmJ0)

545 Screw Aruba, are you trying to say that America is better than any other country? That sounds like a very racist statement. Are you a racist? If you think about it, this country is what it is now because of the people. Different people from different places all over the world. The original Americans are the Indians and I guarantee that you are not 100% Indian, that is if you have Indian blood.

Posted by: kandyjellytots at July 30, 2005 08:16 PM (9P3Og)

546 Lol, Nixons Ninja that comment about the hotel picture was priceless! Why did you wait so long to start posting? I would have enjoyed the humor earlier on!

Posted by: SHEILA at July 30, 2005 08:18 PM (aAmJ0)

547 screwaruba- There's also Chandra Levy-we didn't solve that case in less than 60 days, did we? We didn't even find her body for several months, and we have never arrested a suspect for a crime. Two years ago an 11 year old girl disappeared in Alabama walking two blocks to her bus stop. She was never seen again, dead or alive. Where was your righteous indignation then? Of course the American police forces and the FBI can do no wrong, is that right? But Natalee Holloway disappears in a foreign country, which gives you the right to paint the police force as corrupt and incompetent? How very hypocritical of you. But then most of the 'passion' over this case is based on hypocrisy. People like you get filled with compassion over any issue that the media, talk radio, and opportunistic politicians tell you to care about. And I have to agree with Nixon's Ninja. Natalee Holloway is fairly pretty, but there is nothing that distinctive about her. Girls who look like her are a dime-a-dozen, and she isn't even a natural blond. While I've often wished that I looked like a young Diana Rigg, I've never wanted to be a Barbie clone. Nixon's Ninja-If I was unattached, I would certainly take you up on your offer

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at July 30, 2005 09:09 PM (Qs29z)

548 Jennifer and Nixon, are you two lezbo's?

Posted by: screwaruba at July 30, 2005 09:25 PM (9P3Og)

549 Diana Rigg.....you just have good taste in EVERYthing, don'tcha?

And it's true what they say, the good ones are all teken! Mrs. Peel, I salute you.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at July 30, 2005 09:29 PM (HTKq8)

550 Police suspect racial motive in Liverpool ax killing LIVERPOOL, England (AP) Â— A black teenager who was followed through a park by a group of men shouting racist taunts died Saturday after an attacker embedded an ax in his skull. Anthony Walker, 18, was waiting for a bus with his girlfriend and a cousin when a man started shouting racist taunts at them late Friday near Walker's home in Liverpool, police said. The three left to find another bus stop to avoid any trouble, police said. But a group of three or four men followed them through a park, and Walker's companions saw someone bludgeon him with an ax. They ran to get help and returned a few minutes later to find him with the ax embedded in his skull, news reports said. Walker died early Saturday. No arrests had been made in the attack. "What we are dealing with here is a vicious and unprovoked attack on a young black man which we believe to be racially motivated," said Detective Chief Superintendent Peter Currie, who was leading the investigation. Police said several other incidents of racial abuse had been reported in the area recently.

Posted by: you want racist? at July 30, 2005 09:34 PM (9P3Og)

551 I am from Alabama and all of ya'll need to get a reality check. Southern people stick together and love one another just like any other town. You seem to be a racist yourself, like a typical black woman (loud, over the top, pants too tight,stupid, and rude, always rude). Please, go get an education. Then come down here to Alabama and give your stupid ass speach that you so kindly organized and typed up for us all to read on here while we're all worried about our girl.

Posted by: HEY SHEILA at July 30, 2005 09:39 PM (NXW0m)

552 is there anybody knows where Natalie spend Dec 23,2004 ? I have a feeling she knew the Sloot family earlier

Posted by: lui garamdombi at July 30, 2005 09:39 PM (kEMDH)

553 I am from Alabama and all of ya'll need to get a reality check. Southern people stick together and love one another just like any other place. You seem to be a racist yourself, like a typical black woman (loud, over the top, pants too tight,stupid, and rude, always rude). Please, go get an education. Then come down here to Alabama and give your stupid ass speach that you so kindly organized and typed up for us all to read on here while we're all worried about our girl.

Posted by: HEY SHEILA at July 30, 2005 09:40 PM (NXW0m)

554 You want racist, Racism is just violence you know. You must be ignorant to the thousands of people around the world who use words to abuse people of color. You would be surprised. Even things whites say sometimes can unintentionally offend other people. go to stormfront.org. You'll get a good idea of what hate really means. The people who run this site are horrible and ruthless.

Posted by: SHEILA at July 30, 2005 09:44 PM (aAmJ0)

555 Nixon's Ninja: Since Jennifer is spoken for, can I come with you to Japan????????????????????????????????????? As long as you're male, that is

Tom Cruise is a freak!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Again, I apologize for my previous foul outburst. I hope that that LOSER has quit being a DICKHEAD & is NOT going to post under another's name. I wish I could see what some of ya'll look like... Esp. Mr. Truth, Konservative, KandyJelly, & last but not least, Nixon's Ninja. Hey, NN - I really enjoy your witty, slightly pompous style of writing

Posted by: RDS at July 30, 2005 09:45 PM (/b7gI)

556 I like to see a picture of both of you Jennifer and Nixon. I guaratee that you are nothing compared to Natalee. I guarantee that you are both butt ugly who has no life and stays online the whole day (everyday).

Posted by: screwaruba at July 30, 2005 09:45 PM (9P3Og)

557 I agree with that one. black people are always loud. They think whites owe them something from shit that happend so long ago. They always want Welfware, WIC, free shit. They bitch about everything (In ebonics) and they want us to respect them, hell no. Maybe if they knew how to pronounce words in English and not in slang all the time we would care about them. Not only do they expect everything from the whites but they bitch at what we do give them. It's always going to be a black thing, they'll never be happy, they'll always want something. Oh yea, they always have babies too. I'm pissed

Posted by: angry at July 30, 2005 09:47 PM (NXW0m)

558 Pompous!? Moi?

You're more than welcome to join me in Japan, especially if you bring some books with you. Books in English are available here but they're obscenely expensive. And yes, I'm a man--otherwise I would've chosen the name Sarandon's Samurai.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at July 30, 2005 09:52 PM (HTKq8)

559 Dear HEY SHEILA, Hmm. You seem to have lots of errors in your post. Number one, I am not black. I am asian and I am sure my IQ is far superior to you considering you cant even spell speech. And number two, I don't honestly care you don't like my "speach." It is technically meant for bitch ignorant people like you, but if ya don't like it, than thats ok.

I don't really care what uneducated trailer trash thinks of me. Love ya, sweets!

Posted by: SHEILA at July 30, 2005 09:52 PM (aAmJ0)

560 cant is spelled can't or you could use cannot, but hey who really cares? love, a beautiful white American woman

Posted by: herrrro sheila at July 30, 2005 10:06 PM (NXW0m)

561 Sheila, are you saying that just because you're Chinese, your IQ is far more superior than whites?

Posted by: Chinese at July 30, 2005 10:09 PM (9P3Og)

562 The Asian with the High IQ needs to open her slanty eyes and see her way outa America. We don't need her and her cocky attitude.

Posted by: hahah at July 30, 2005 10:18 PM (NXW0m)

563 Not Chinese, Indian. And no, that isn't native american thats india

And no, that is not what I meant. Of course not. I don't think any race is superior. Still, I am going to be modest here, I am in the top ranks of my class and I take the all advanced classes allowed for my my age (14 years old-Algebra, Science Investigations, PLC English), I maintain 4.0, and I have taken an official IQ test with results of 139. I don't mean to sound all braggy, honestly, I am just proud of those things :p

Posted by: SHEILA at July 30, 2005 10:22 PM (aAmJ0)

564 Sorry no slanty eyes

And I am not leaving sorry

ANd if you think my last post was cocky that wasn't what it was meant to be. I am proud of those things because those are what I excel at. I am sure everyone has something they like to brag about, right?

And don't lie, you are proud of something you have done.

Posted by: SHEILA at July 30, 2005 10:24 PM (aAmJ0)

565 The person that has come forward to Natalee's family, in regards to the possibility of a body in the land fill, came forward in the beginning of Natalee's disappearance to the Aruban authories and a body was not found at that time. It seems this witness has directly contacted the family since the other two witnesses (whom never came forward until the awards were increased) claimed sitings of the men associated with Natalee, the morning of Natalee's disappearance.

Posted by: x at July 30, 2005 10:35 PM (bb9tG)

566 @%#! To whatever a**hole is posting under other people's names, I am sick of it too! Get a life! And to everyone else here... I did NOT post the above comment dated 7-3-05 @ 7:17pm regarding watching "CMN" (what is that channel?). IDIOT, if you're post involves real & truthful information about the Holloway case, then, be a REAL MAN or WOMAN & post under your OWN name. Most of us are NOT MORONS here, but, also many of us merely have sincere empathetic reasons for visiting this blog-- we care about Natalee because her story touches our hearts in some profound way. GODSPEED in bringing Natalee home, my prayers are with you & your family, & may God provide peace & closure.

Posted by: Conspiracy Theory at July 30, 2005 11:21 PM (ODKYI)

567 Fart Calendar Pick the day you were born on to see what kind of fart you are. 1-AMBITIOUS Always ready for a fart. 2-LAZY Just fizzles 3-AMIABLE Likes to smell others farts 4-SELFISH Only enjoys smelling his own farts 5-CARELESS Farts in church 6-SMART ALEC Farts when ladies are present. 7-CLEVER Farts and coughs at same time 8-SCIENTIFIC Bottles his farts 9-STINGY Belches instead of farting to save his asshole 10-FOOLISH Farts and laughs. 11-SHY Blushes even when he farts silently. 12-CONCIETED Thinks he can fart loudest. 13-UNLUCKY Tries to fart and shits pants. 14- TIMID Jumps when he farts. 15-BEWILDERED can't tell his own farts from others. 16-SLOVENLY Farts and fizzles, rots his pants. 17-NERVOUS Stops in middle of fart. 18-MISERABLE Can't fart 19-CONFUSED Face looks so much like ass, Farts don't know where to go. 20-GROUCH Grumbles when ladies fart. 21-SNEAKY Farts and blames it on the dog. 22-DISAPPOINTED Their farts dont stink. 23-FRESH GUY Jumps in front of you and farts. 24-BIG BULLY Farts louder than everyone else. 25-DELUDED Enjoys all farts thinking they are his. 26-CUTE Discovers from farts what others have eaten. 27-WISE Farts and say's "Who in hell shit ??" 28-DAMNED MEAN Farts in bed and pulls covers over wife's head. 29-MUSICAL Tenor or bass Clear as a bell Smells like shit Sounds like hell 30-HONEST Farts and blames in on the hostess. 31-LIVELY GUY Jumps in air, farts three times, kicks like hell simultaneously.

Posted by: kandyjellytots at July 31, 2005 07:36 AM (9P3Og)

568 Hello Mr. Truth, Konservative, KandyJelly, & last but not least, Nixon's Ninja. Maybe we can get together sometime and have a beer. Drop me an email and let me know where you guys are from and maybe we all can meet up sometime.

Posted by: RDS at July 31, 2005 08:56 AM (9P3Og)

569 MUMBAI, India (CNN) -- Further rain is causing further misery in the city of Mumbai, which is trying to clean up after record-breaking rainfall resulted in deadly floods and landslides. Flood waters were rising once again Sunday along with residents' alarm and agitation as authorities said 1,000 people had died in western India. The city formerly known as Bombay was deluged with 37 inches of rain in 24 hours Tuesday -- the most any Indian city has ever received in one day. As the monsoon rains moved back in Sunday, Mumbai's airport was shut down for a while and flights were redirected to New Delhi. Parts of the rail network were also shut down, but some service had resumed by Sunday afternoon. In northern Mumbai, waters were rising steadily; in some parts of the city, water levels had already reached 7 feet. The local government has issued an advisory asking residents to stay inside. Earlier this week, some residents died in their cars because the water rose so rapidly, and some residents were also electrocuted because of downed power lines. Some Mumbai residents have had no water, electricity or garbage pickup since the flooding. Angry residents confronted local officials Sunday, with some of them throwing stones. Tens of thousands of animal carcasses floated in the flood waters, raising concerns about the possibility of disease. South of the city, several hundred people died in landslides. Authorities have brought in heavy equipment to excavate, but any hope of finding survivors has waned. Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh visited Mumbai on Thursday, pledging to dedicate millions of dollars in aid to help residents recover and rebuilt. On Thursday, 22 people, including several children, were killed in a stampede that was prompted by rumors of a collapsed dam from the flooding. Other rumors were that a tsunami or a super cyclone was coming. Newspapers warned of the threat of waterborne diseases, and hospitals and health centers geared up to distribute free medicines to check any outbreak, the Associated Press reported. Hundreds of residents in five Mumbai districts raised anti-government slogans and blocked traffic for more than five hours on Saturday to demand an immediate cleanup of the city, AP reported. "For so many days we have been lifting the bodies of the dead and now we are clearing animals from the roads. Is this our work?" asked a furious Hafeez Irani, his face covered with a handkerchief against the stench. "The drains are choked. We still have no electricity," said Irani, a construction worker. Civic leaders pleaded for patience. They claimed equipment and workers to clear roads and drains were being called in from other areas hit by landslides.

Posted by: SHEILA at July 31, 2005 12:05 PM (9P3Og)

570 Not my post again. What was the point of posting this under my name, might I ask? It is pretty sucky that first the tsunami and then the flood had to happen. But natures has its way I suppose.

Posted by: SHEILA at July 31, 2005 01:04 PM (aAmJ0)

571 Here is one for you kandyjellytots: Roses are red Violets are blue When I flush the toilet I remember you..

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at July 31, 2005 01:52 PM (9P3Og)

572 That last post was NOT FROM ME. I've no desire to meet up & have a beer with anyone. The LOSER who's doing this needs to have his balls cut off. That is if he has any. DICKHEAD.

Posted by: RDS at July 31, 2005 02:22 PM (/b7gI)

573 That last post was not from me. That so-called "poem", was simply horrible.I don't have anything against kandyjellytots. If I did, I would find a more literate way of expressing myself. If you see anything on here that is crude and disgusting, and I am listed as the author, chances are that it's not from me.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at July 31, 2005 03:12 PM (Qs29z)

574 Jennifer, don't you hate poems that are not verse? Anwyay, that was pretty funny about kandyjellytots previous post. Unfortunately, I'm the UNLUCKY one who was born on the 13th.

Posted by: Conspiracy Theory at July 31, 2005 03:54 PM (9P3Og)

575 Here is another song I wrote, enjoy! My emotions I wanna express tell them as fast as federal express how do you make it clear make you feel like you are near I wanna write a song I wanna hear the gong of people understandin' my feeling I wanna write a song I can't write why do i bother? I bother cause I wanna write a song i wrote about Kong I wrote about Vietnam I wanna write a good song I have tried and tried I'm wasted no more inspiration I tried to write a song Could not hear the gong I tried to write a song It was bad

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at July 31, 2005 04:01 PM (9P3Og)

576 Uhh! That was horrible! Was it just me or did that song made any sense at all. Nixon, I thought that first song you wrote was good but what happened? Can you explain what your song means? Thanks.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at July 31, 2005 04:20 PM (9P3Og)

577 I think that was someone else posting under his name. Honestly this is so immature. Stop posting under other peoples names. If you had any balls you would just tell us straight out what you want to say instead of being a coward.

Posted by: SHEILA at July 31, 2005 05:00 PM (aAmJ0)

578 Sorry if that song did not make any sense. But i actually wrote that song when I was 13 years old. And yes it's me Sheila. Back then I wanted to be a musician, a singer perhaps and I wanted to write songs but i just couldn't. Anyway, I'll make sure I post my newer songs this time..

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at July 31, 2005 05:08 PM (9P3Og)

579 Please don't post anymore songs and stick with the current issue. Thanks.

Posted by: RDS at July 31, 2005 05:17 PM (9P3Og)

580 walking down an unpaved road thinking of past unachievement, I wept... & returned home

Posted by: Conspiracy Theory at July 31, 2005 05:57 PM (9P3Og)

581 They have already found the body!

Posted by: SHEILA at July 31, 2005 06:17 PM (9P3Og)

582 Not my post again. From now on anything stupid coming under my name isnt me. Lol Nixons Ninja. I stillwant to be a singer or musician. Don't we all?

Posted by: SHEILA at July 31, 2005 07:00 PM (aAmJ0)

583 Nixon's Ninja- About your song-that was not my comment. I actually quite like the song.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at July 31, 2005 07:01 PM (Qs29z)

584 You got that right Sheila. Even Conspiracy is getting in the groove. That was very deep CT.

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at July 31, 2005 07:13 PM (9P3Og)

585 Black people have like millions of kids. They are allowed to call themselves the N word but if we do they'll take us to court, with legal help ofcourse. They suck, I'm so sick of hearing them screem at their kids in the grocery store or their big asses that are rude everywhere.

Posted by: whitey at July 31, 2005 07:38 PM (NXW0m)

586 whitey, are you a racist?

Posted by: hapsing at July 31, 2005 07:40 PM (9P3Og)

587 Yes Jennifer, I knew you hadn't posted a poem that unfunny and boring. I also knew RDS wasn't trolling for beer buddies. Why would Sheila post a news iten about Mumbai without comment? Obviously she wouldn't.It's become painfully clear which posts are fraudulent--just look for insipid sentence structure and juvenile humor, the tremendously boring insults and childish innuendo that were hysterically funny when we were around 8 years old.He's also doing a pretty brisk trade in non sequiters.I guess it's too mentally taxing for him to follow the thread and post something that flows from what's been said before.Here's the thing--as long as you post comments in the manner of, "That wasn't ME posting!" he's going to keep doing it. Just ignore him--nothing is more painful to attention junkies than being ignored. Remember that fat kid from fourth grade who nobody liked because he smelled like sour milk and wore plaid pants? He'd sidle up to you on the playground and offer you a sweaty fist full of Gummi Bears, and tell you about his pet hamster in a hoarse whisper. That one time your mom made you have dinner at his house because she was sure he was 'such a nice, polite little boy!' you were served liver and onions and you couldn't get the smell out of your hair for a week. It made you uncomfortable to be around him, because even though you were too young to analyze it his air of naked desperation for approval made you ashamed--ashamed for HIM, embarrassed that another human being could have turned into such a pathetic, snivelling little snot. Well, this Imposter is that same fat kid a few years later. Now he's just angry that his boot licking servility turned people off, so he's resorted to being obnoxious in an attempt to gain respect and or acceptance. At least, this is what I'M seeing. So if you just refuse to acknowledge his transparent posts you'll whip him into such a frenzy of frustration that he'll redouble his efforts, and that amuses me. I think it's funny to watch these human train wrecks thrash around and self destruct. So let me be the first to say that I will not respond to him posting as me anymore. Oh, and Sour Milk Guy? My song was INTENTIONALLY bad. Don't you get that? It was so bad that we all had a laugh because sappy songs are taken seriously, probably by the same liver and onions mouth breathers you've been hanging around with at your Dungeons and Dragons marathons. God, it's like I'm in fourth grade again--you're such a moron that I'm feeling that hot, flushed, painfully uncomfortable feeling of being ashamed for someone who's way too slow to get the jokes. And that's it--fellow posters, I know it's not you when an obvious retard did the post. Let's all just ignore him and maybe he'll go back to picking on Brownies until they cry. Makes him feel like a man, that does.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at July 31, 2005 07:55 PM (HTKq8)

588 yes. we all should be

Posted by: whitey at July 31, 2005 07:56 PM (NXW0m)

589 In other news, Beth Twitty has returned to Alabama. Think she's given up hope? And what became of the land fill search, another daed end?

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at July 31, 2005 07:57 PM (HTKq8)

590 That was a great post, Nixons Ninja, about our dear Sour Milk Kid. LOL! So anyway, I suppose the whole investigation is going to end soon? I think that the next thing to flood the news will be our dear president flipping the finger at the world. How rude of him.

Posted by: SHEILA at July 31, 2005 08:16 PM (aAmJ0)

591 I missed the finger flipping story, but when you consider that Clinton spent 8 years thumbing his nose at the whole world (to include the US) it hardly seems news worthy

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at July 31, 2005 08:28 PM (HTKq8)

592 Whaddy mean, thumbing his nose? I was too young during Clintons time to really know much about it. All I know about is the affair. But still, I liked Clinton better. I despise Bush. I supposed that makes me biased to hate whatever he does. Lol

Posted by: SHEILA at July 31, 2005 08:34 PM (aAmJ0)

593 Bush may not be the best President we've ever had, but he's still vastly superior to Gore or Kerry. Can you imagine if Gore had actually managed to steal the election? (It's not like he didn't try hard enough in Florida; when he failed they were reduced to hurling accusations that Bush had stolen it, instead) After 9/11 Goofy Gore probably would've immediately issued a ban on the internal combustion engine, a proposition put forward in all seriousness in his book, Earth in the Balance. Try bearing in mind that while you may disagree with some of his policies, Shiela, we'd be in much worse shape with a moonbat at the helm

As for what I meant by thumbing his nose, I was refering to the children burnt alive at Waco (way to go Clinton, extra kudos for your lapdog, Janet "Torch 'Em All" Reno), Whitewater, Filegate, our nuclear secrets somehow compromised by China,illegal campaign contributions, accusations of rape by credible witnesses,Elian Gonzalez (Bravo Janet "I Just Love Them Commies!" Reno!) and finally 'the affair', which was never about the affair but rather about a sitting President perjuring himself. And after all that the Left still finds time to demonize Richard Nixon!

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at July 31, 2005 08:44 PM (HTKq8)

594 So whitey, I am just kinda curious...have you ever said something like that in the real world? Have you ever said that to a black person? Of course not. Because you are afraid to and your only shelter is cyberspace. *sigh* how touching. Whitey's too much of a coward to say that to anyones face. You realize that nowadays, people like you are hated by everyone around the world? Well, now you know.

Posted by: SHEILA at July 31, 2005 08:45 PM (aAmJ0)

595 So I take it you don't like Clinton? Lol! I never even knew about all of that stuff! I guess I never did my research...but I still like Clinton better than Bush. What sucks is that all the presidential candidates nowadays are useless. If we had an effective president, they could take us out of deficit and bring our country to better standards.

Posted by: SHEILA at July 31, 2005 10:05 PM (aAmJ0)

596 In addition, Bush is really terrible in handling international affairs. All he cares about is OIL, OIL, OIL.. He doesn't really give a damn as to how other countries live as long as he gets his way. He will not help other countries or give aid to them unless there is special interest. Of course people who leave here in the U.S. do not see what is really going on unless they are of different origin, then they can see how the U.S. is repressing their own country. Do you think the world is better now that Saddam is ousted? Then what about all the weapons of mass destruction that Bush talked about before he attacked Iraq. Did they just vanished like a ghost? I don't think anything has changed since the U.S. attacked Iraq. What the Americans don't see is the greediness and the selfishness of the country as a whole. They just think that they are better than everybody. You take away that oil, the stock market will crash. Anyway, that's just how I feel about the whole situation. I just wish it could be better.

Posted by: SHEILA at July 31, 2005 10:25 PM (9P3Og)

597 Sheila, you strike me as being an exceedingly bright young woman. This isn't really the forum for politics, so I won't start debating your views on all this, even though I vehemently disagree with nearly everything you just posted

I do encourage you to dig a little deeper, though, starting with the tired refrain about oil (no offense.)And also...I just can't stop myself, folks, I'm sorry!!..what about the MILLIONS of dollars we gave to tsunami victims? How can you say, at least with a straight face, that Bush refuses to give aid to foreign countries?

I'm unaware of any political advantage to be gained from giving tons of cash to impoverished Indonesian people? If you'd like to continue this aspect of the conversation just email me rather than posting it here, deal?(Ok, I apologize for all the side bar remarks, I'll stop now!) Oh, and it turns out the landfill lead was no good. I really doubt they'll find a body; she was probably dumped into the ocean.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at July 31, 2005 11:19 PM (HTKq8)

598 Actually that last post wasnt me

But I will still take your nice compliment as mine! lol :p I am glad my little Sour Milk Kid has views. I expected much less, trust me

But really, I just think Bush is horrible. But maybe it is because I am so liberal that I see that way. To each his own I suppose

Posted by: SHEILA at August 01, 2005 01:06 AM (aAmJ0)

599 Hmmmm.. BACK OFF! and get your own Ninja

Nixons dumped me to come frolic on this site *cries* .. aww well. as far the actual Natalee Issue at hand.. its been beaten to death *no pun intended* :: eek ::

Posted by: Rice at August 01, 2005 01:57 AM (BDC2j)

600 NIXONS NINJA: **FYI** it is becoming apparent that you are the RETARD responsible for posting comments under other people's name. You need to be aware that your postings can & as of NOW are being tracked as you have been reported. Find another playground in which to post your juvenile, issue-non-related, under-educated comments. Are you even remotely aware of what repercussions impersonating others could entail for you? Good luck if you're not! Just know this, you have been reported and your activities ARE being monitored.

Posted by: Conspiracy Theory at August 01, 2005 05:59 AM (ODKYI)

601 Just wanted to add some relevant information about Aruba... "No Body No Crime!" So where is the body? Fact: Aruba is a major trans-shipment location for columbian drugs headed to Europe and America. Fact: Aruba is only 20 miles from South America. Fact: Aruba has "free trade zones" where un-inspected cargo including cocaine and herion is transfered to containers for shipment. Fact: Aruba's banking secrecy and casinos (recall

aulus van der Sloot/PVDS heavily involved in gambling) provide an service to South American drug cartel's to clean "launder" their money. Be realistic, can all this be going on without the Aruban authorities being involved, NO! The Aruban politicians, judiciary, (including Paul Van Der Sloot), casino owners, and yes the chief of police (PVDS's close friend) are likely all dirty and being paid off by organized crime on that "happy little island". Why did the Aruban police try to pin this crime on two innocent men who's only crime was "being poor and black"? Why the big cover up for the Van Der Sloot kid? Is it possibly because daddy know's enough to bring them all down(?). Perhaps even, Paul Van Der Sloot called the chief of police to help him get rid of the body. So where is Natalie? She was likely handed to drug dealer's who shipped her off the island either in a container or on a fast boat used to bring coke from Venezuela. Remember... "No body No crime." Although, I believe Natalee may very well have been alive for most of this time she's been missing, I question it now & wonder, have they/or haven't they searched The Boca Mahos in Aruba--a cliff that overlooks shark-infested waters--where dead animals are dropped to keep sharks returning & tourists interested in catching a glimpse of these man-eating sharks. Tourism attractions equals money in Arubans pockets.

Posted by: ConspiracyTheory at August 01, 2005 06:32 AM (ODKYI)

602 I tell black people all the time that they are rediculous. They are loud rude, eat mcdonalds and go on Maury Povich every day having paternity tests. Meanwhile my tax dollars are goin to food for their family because they dont know how to keep their legs closed. They love to spend money on rims for their cars but never on shit for their kids. It's so frustrating that you all try and be politically correct. If blacks would get education and stop being so loud and talk in ebonics then I wouldn't have a problem. They set themselves up for discrimination when they leave their house. And don't try and talk shit on me, because I am actually a very bright young.

Posted by: whitey at August 01, 2005 07:09 AM (NXW0m)

603 Conspiracy Theory- If any of this were remotely true, girls would have to be disappearing in large numbers--at the very least a steady stream. Aruba would have a missing persons epidemic, and they do not. Their crime rate is relatively low. No drug cartel or white slavery ring would go through all this trouble for one fairly-pretty but otherwise unremarkable 18 year old girl. Joran would have been in this kind of trouble at least once or twice before. Drugs and prostitution are a profit industry. Just one girl wouldn't cut it. Your theory involves everybody being involved in some kind of mafia organization--there is no proof of that. Or did they arrange it all just for Natalee? Is she that special? You make it sound like a bad James Bond or Steven Segal movie. I say that you've been reading too many mystery novels and watching too much television. I'm begging you. If you've ever seen yourself as a detective or have criminal justice aspirations, give it up and keep your day job.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 01, 2005 07:28 AM (Qs29z)

604 Jennifer, For the most part, some of your postings have seemed fairly intelligent, you strike me as a somewhat bright person, but, your posting above makes me rethink that... the point is that Aruba is a known drug trafficing location, for the very reasons I posted above. Who knows why or for what strange mathematical equation Natalee may(or may not) have been traded or sold... usually crime involves OPPORTUNITY, in other words, if Natalee were already drugged (as has been suggested by reputable news reports) with ectasy or whatever, she would have been a prime candidate to be group-raped and likely abducted into the drug cartel to be eventually used in the sex trade. Have you had ANY college whatsoever? If you have you might have had the opportunity to study foreign commodities--both legal & illegal-- I suggest that you educate yourself into the evil world of drug/human trade because drugs & human trafficing tend to go hand-in-hand. By the way... do you think the drug kings would risk their "free trade zone" by taking women on a routine basis just to risk their multi-million dollar drug trade??? You're silly Jennifer!

Posted by: Conspiracy Theory at August 01, 2005 09:30 AM (ODKYI)

605 I couldn't agree with you more, Jennifer. My only petty gripe is that coupling 'bad' and 'Steven Segal' is overwhelmingly redundant. That guy would be a shoo-in for an Oscar every single year if only Hollywood hired live actors to portray telephone poles and other inanimate objects. It's almost plausible, I'll give him that much. So many urban legends and conspiracy theories are. It's like a series of stepping stones; so long as you keep your eyes on the far bank and leap from stone to stone you can make it from point A to point B with ease. "Why can't you people see the Truth!!?? FOLLOW me!" is the cry. But then someone like Jennifer comes along splashing logic around and now your shoes are all soggy and your theory falls apart like a toilet paper pinata. I still say Cap'n Crunch has her in his clutches. Fact: 1.He's a Captain, surely he must have a boat? He could've easily smuggled her out. 2. It's a well documented fact that Natalee liked cereal. 3. Nilla Wafers?? Helloooo! Let's shake these Keebler Elves down and see what tumbles out of the foliage of that 'Magic Tree'. Nothing personal Conspiracy, I just don't think you've made a convincing case

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 01, 2005 09:40 AM (IkMAh)

606 That bit about college just sounded pretentious. By the way... do you think the drug kings would risk their "free trade zone" by taking women on a routine basis just to risk their multi-million dollar drug trade??? You're silly Jennifer! She's silly? You're whole argument is based on allegations of this free wheeling crime syndicate kidnapping Natalee, then you finish it all off by saying they wouldn't risk doing it regularly--too dangerous! Now that sounds like a contradiction to me, and a silly one at that.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 01, 2005 09:51 AM (IkMAh)

607 jennifer, I never asked if you shave your pubes. Please don't hold it against me. People, I can't come back here because of all the immature people that are using my name to pass along messages. To the Debaters, It looks like you people are understanding why were here. That's good. P.S. The comments NN have made, could be the true. Think about it. Truth, out.

Posted by: mr. truth at August 01, 2005 11:14 AM (pKJ4M)

608 Yeah, I think I am done posting as well, cause too many people are posting immature comments and being stupid. But I will still try to read whats going on, cause this is all very inteeresting! Bye, everyone...

Posted by: SHEILA at August 01, 2005 11:21 AM (aAmJ0)

609 Methinks the stench of sour milk doth permeate these last 2 posts

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 01, 2005 11:29 AM (IkMAh)

610 methinks ur gay

Posted by: assclown at August 01, 2005 11:42 AM (pKJ4M)

611 No, thats the truth. But if people want to email me, they can, cause I can't stand all these fake posters...

Posted by: SHEILA at August 01, 2005 01:09 PM (aAmJ0)

612 No, thats the truth. But if people want to email me, they can, cause I can't stand all these fake posters...

Posted by: SHEILA at August 01, 2005 01:09 PM (aAmJ0)

613 Conspiracy Theory- I have a Bachelor's degree in Criminal Justice Administration and am in the process of getting a job in that field. I've taken Criminal Justice Courses both here and in the UK as well. There are my credentials. What are yours?

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 01, 2005 02:17 PM (Qs29z)

614 Mr. Truth- I know that you didn't say that (the pubes thing). So of course I don't hold it against you

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 01, 2005 03:09 PM (Qs29z)

615 Conspiracy Theory- I can only hope that you aren't calling the FBI and Natalee's family with these insane ideas of yours. The last thing they need are crazy theories from armchair detectives.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 01, 2005 03:17 PM (Qs29z)

616 You know what i dont get - that Twitty lady already gave up and went home. Why are you guys still beating this to death? I think Conspiracy's biggest problem is - any one else's opinion. I think in order to make his case more convincing he needs to take a stab at the next poster's character or morals. Which is a really stupid way to get your point across. Why not just make your point, and save the "Im rubber your glue" comments for the playground. And ive read a few posts where ppl are posting their credentials - does it really matter? I dont care if your the next freaking einstien, if what you say sounds stupid - then i will conclude that YOU ARE STUPID. Jeez. and again, BACK OFF MY NINJA. lol

Posted by: Rice at August 01, 2005 03:59 PM (BDC2j)

617 Yeah, Rice, I usually don't post credentials--but I have to admit the college remark annoyed me.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 01, 2005 05:48 PM (Qs29z)

618 Dont get me wrong, i have credentials too. I mean first of all, im Asian - Indian.. like Sheila.. so i guess according the the former posts that makes me better. LOL.. and then I have a B. A in sociology and Indian History.. so that makes me smarter than Most ppl here .. and im in Law School working on a Juris Doctorate.. so BOOYA

Posted by: Rice at August 01, 2005 06:04 PM (BDC2j)

619 That's pretty impressive, actually.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 01, 2005 06:43 PM (Qs29z)

620 Oh yeah? Well, this one time I won the spelling bee sponsored by the Gopher, Pennsylvania Ladies Aid Society, correctly spelling 'ambidextrous' to break the final round tie and winning for myself and one lucky guest dinner for two at the Peter Panda Chinese Cafe. I had the Wendy's Wonton Soup with the Sweet and Sour Pirate Pork, which disagreed with me later to such a violent and humiliating extent that my date returned my official Captain Kirk communicator keychain and stopped taking my calls. Never went to college, though.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 01, 2005 07:21 PM (Jgyse)

621 You're online? You fool, i dont see you. Anyways - my point wasnt about hearing about your digestive habits. Im just saying, its stupid really, to post "credentials" doesnt mean shit. RIGHT NINJA?!

Posted by: Rice at August 01, 2005 07:26 PM (BDC2j)

622 Ive also noticed, after throwing thousands of dollars into education - that typing while laying down, i will never be able to perfect my grammar or sentence structure.. or get the caps in the right places.

Posted by: Rice at August 01, 2005 07:29 PM (BDC2j)

623 I am also, mad at Ninja right now. Snow white's going home.

Posted by: Rice at August 01, 2005 07:30 PM (BDC2j)

624 I'm just a waterboy.

Posted by: Simon Cowell at August 01, 2005 07:30 PM (9P3Og)

625 I wipe people's ass for a living. P.S. Only after they take a shit.

Posted by: mr. truth at August 01, 2005 07:38 PM (9P3Og)

626 That last post was NOT ME. Dick For Brains, whoever's hijacking names. This site is like crack. I keep coming back for more. You guys really crack me up. Some of you should be writing for sitcoms on TV!! Anyways, 'cus of this DICKHEAD I don't know when to take some comments seriously. By the way, I'm Asian too. Not Indian though. So far there are 3 of us (Sheila, Rice, & Moi). With all that brain power how come this case has not being solved? LOL. Let's face it, now SOME of us are not coming to this site to discuss Natalee or the deeper implications of her case anymore. SOME of us are just trying to be smartasses & showoffs. Nixon's Ninja, I really hope you're not the culprit (posting under another's name) as Conspiracy Theory suggests.

Posted by: RDS at August 01, 2005 07:44 PM (/b7gI)

627 I am really a bum with no friends.

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at August 01, 2005 08:02 PM (9P3Og)

628 RDS, you must be Filipina

Posted by: i know you! at August 01, 2005 08:07 PM (9P3Og)

629 I can vouch for Nixons, he's a stand up guy. The rest of you are a lil shady

Posted by: Rice at August 01, 2005 08:50 PM (BDC2j)

630 I think this is a better song for everyone, enjoy. Pack your stuff it's time to leave shut the suit case hanging out's a sleeve Sorry - I don't want to But were moving some where new no ones been there before we'll be alone happy you and me pack your stuff its time to leave take the highway 101 straight to hell no ones on the road leave no note leave your boat it's time to leave pack your stuff its time to go don't want to go? Fine leave you behind I'll be happy by myself I'll dance with the elf pack my stuff its time to leave shut the suitcase hanging outÂ’s a sleeve

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 01, 2005 08:55 PM (9P3Og)

631 justice for all

Posted by: yorass bang de sluts at August 01, 2005 09:24 PM (9P3Og)

632 I'm not from the Philipines (I can't even spell it properly, I think). Good guess, though. Keep trying.

Posted by: RDS at August 01, 2005 09:39 PM (/b7gI)

633 RDS: judging by your email address, i would have to say you are from South East Asia.. the last name DeSilva.. implies a portuguese descent, commonly found in Indonesia or South India (Goa) .. if i had to guess.. i would say you are from one of the neighboring islands of India

Posted by: Rice at August 01, 2005 10:24 PM (BDC2j)

634 im a tumor, im a tumor, im a tumor, im a tumor, im a tumor, im a tumor, ohohohohohoh im a tumor Arnold Schwarzenigger It's nawt a tumar you piece of poo

Posted by: assbags at August 02, 2005 12:51 AM (pKJ4M)

635 .

Posted by: assbags at August 02, 2005 12:53 AM (pKJ4M)

636 Now that Beth Twitty's gone home I suspect it's all over but the weeping. I don't think this case is ever going to be solved. If she's dead her body has either been eliminated or hidden so well it won't be discovered for another 20 years. And if Conspiracy's theory is correct she's held captive in a South American brothel, unlikely to resurface with her mind and memory intact. Not that I actually subscribe to that notion, you understand. I suppose we'll have to leave it to O J Simpson to crack this, once he finds Nicole's killer, of course! But it's extremely likely that we'll just never know.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 02, 2005 03:00 AM (Jgyse)

637 Very good, Rice. Very, very good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: RDS at August 02, 2005 04:43 PM (/b7gI)

638 That was impressive, Rice...I would have never figured that out lol

Posted by: Carma at August 02, 2005 06:27 PM (aAmJ0)

639 You know what really bothers me bout this entire case? It seems that Beth Holloway Twitty, Natalees mother, expects the whole world to drop what they are doing and make finding Natalee the Number 1 priority. I understand why she is so concerned and wants to take a lot of action-if I were a mother, I would want to find where my child was. But hasnt she gotte n almost 24/7 news coverage? I think that with that kind of coverage, Natalee would have been found already if it were possible to find her. Apparently Mrs. Holloway Twitty criticized Aruba for not doing enough to find her daughter. She also bought a whole load of yellow ribbons from Alabama to Aruba so that they can put them all up and keep looking for Natalee. But people can't keep doing this. People have families, jobs, and lives and they can't make one missing girl the national priority, both here and in Aruba. I mean, there were like 20 FBI agents on the case and they sent out fighter jets. I just think this is overexposure and Natalees mother needs to realize that people in Aruba have lives and she shouldn't expect finding her daughter to be the biggest thing on there to do list. That being said, I hope Natalee will be found, at the very least. I don't know if there is even much of a chance she is alive at this point.

Posted by: Carma at August 02, 2005 06:45 PM (aAmJ0)

640 Well put, Carma. But her mother's back in Alabama, so maybe she's accepted that her daughter is gone.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 02, 2005 07:16 PM (Jgyse)

641 Well since nobody can figure out where I came from, I just have to let you guys know. I'm from Pakistan.

Posted by: RDS at August 02, 2005 07:30 PM (9P3Og)

642 RDS: you still havent said what island. Unless i missed it. I just woke up

Posted by: Rice at August 02, 2005 07:30 PM (BDC2j)

643 Oh Pakistan.. noi would have never guess pakistan. My family is from Punjab, so we're almost ancenstoral neighbors. In fact, my maternal grandparents fled that region during the Partition.

Posted by: Rice at August 02, 2005 07:33 PM (BDC2j)

644 In other news, me and Nixons Ninja are getting married

Posted by: Rice at August 02, 2005 07:36 PM (BDC2j)

645 Are you Islam, Rice? I am.

Posted by: RDS at August 02, 2005 07:58 PM (9P3Og)

646 Nope, Punjabi Sikh

Posted by: Rice at August 02, 2005 08:00 PM (BDC2j)

647 Thanks Nixons Ninja

Rice, are you Indian? If you are, I am too

Posted by: Carma at August 02, 2005 08:14 PM (aAmJ0)

648 Sorry for my ignorance but I have never heard of Punjabi Sikh.

Posted by: RDS at August 02, 2005 08:24 PM (9P3Og)

649 Have you hear of Punjab? Have you heard of Sikhs? Punjabi- Sikh.

Posted by: Rice at August 02, 2005 08:30 PM (9BTFT)

650 I've heard of Punjab but not Sikhs

Posted by: RDS at August 02, 2005 08:39 PM (9P3Og)

651 You havent heard of Sikhs? Turbans? They are pretty much the fusion child of Hindus and Muslims.. Guru Nanak? - who was actually born in Pakistan. What about - oh man. what part of pakistan are you from. North or South?

Posted by: Rice at August 02, 2005 08:42 PM (9BTFT)

652 oh yeah! i'm from the north.

Posted by: RDS at August 02, 2005 08:51 PM (9P3Og)

653 oh yeah! i'm from the north, from Gujar Khan.

Posted by: RDS at August 02, 2005 08:52 PM (9P3Og)

654 Who the F*** has being posting comments under my name, AGAIN?????????????????????????????????????? All I said was "very good" to Rice. After that, it was all false bull**** posted by the same F****** LOSER who needs to GET A LIFE. I'm NOT from Pakistan, I DO know who Sikhs are, & I'm going to hunt down this LOSER & introduce him to Lorena Bobbitt.

Posted by: RDS at August 02, 2005 10:36 PM (/b7gI)

655 And, another thing, that comment "Are you Islam, Rice?"...what an uneducated question that is. Also, "I have never heard of Punjabi Sikh". What a total DUMBASS. A F****** LOSER & an IDIOT.

Posted by: RDS at August 02, 2005 10:40 PM (/b7gI)

656 Nixons Ninja, Thats just it. Apparantly Holloway Twitty has gone back to Aruba with yellow ribbons for the people. I am sure it is a temporary visit, but I think she needs to let it rest. By all the media coverage given to this case, I am sure if anyone saw Natalee, they would have recognized her. But despite the amazing coverage of Natalee (which has gotten far more attention that other international disappearances) Mrs. Holloway Twitty continues to push until it is irritating. Other children have gone missing-they deserve as much attention as Natalee. If Mrs. Holloway Twitty was such a devoted mother, she would realize that other mothers around the country are fretting over the disappearance of their child. You think she would use the extra airtime to give press to other peoples disappearances and encourage people to look for them as well. I think that everyone deserves to be rescued from a kidnapper. But it seems America and the media thinks otherwise.

Posted by: Cama at August 02, 2005 11:30 PM (aAmJ0)

657 Just wanted to say goodbye to Enkripted, Sheila, RDS, Tiffany, Mr. Truth, Conspiracy, Kandy and Nixons. This is getting way out of hand with LOSER and there is no way to control him but by leaving this site and giving him nothing to do. I have enjoyed chatting with all of you (when it was the real you). Bless Natalee and her family.

Posted by: Dawn at August 03, 2005 11:47 AM (kS6z6)

658 I think the supervision of the trip should have keepen better vision of Natalee and everyone else. I mean. what if it was you or me in Natalee's position. But in other veiws, it is kinda Natalee's fault for trusting the three young men. But they will never be able to live it over. God bless Natalee and her family and hope that she is found, dead or alive for proper burial.

Posted by: Amanda at August 03, 2005 12:51 PM (07YZY)

659 Dawn: Don't give into LOSER. That's just what he (or she) wants. Every time something has being posted under my name, I ALWAYS disown/negate/correct it. This is a very interesting forum. There are genuinely sensible, thoughtful, intelligent people who post comments. DON'T let one LOSER drive people away & muzzle free speech. Let's all stand up to him/her & keep posting our OWN comments. Cama: I totally agree with you.

Posted by: RDS at August 03, 2005 05:09 PM (/b7gI)

660 Of course it was too good to be true. The increasingly annoying Twitty person vows to return to Aruba and keep up the pressure on the island's hapless officials. I'd love to be a fly on the wall when they discuss HER in private. I understand it would be horrible to lose your daughter like this, but really--does her overwhelming sense of entitlement know no bounds? Go home and shut up already! Quit pretending you're Sherlock Holmes and find some way to deal with this. I'm so sick of the media hanging breathlessly on her every word and oozing gallons of synthetic sympathy shipped in specially from Oprah's supplier, 'Fake The Appropriate Emotion Inc.' 'This just in from our Eye in the Sky team....Tom? Are you with us Tom?" "Right, Ryan, technical difficulties there..." "Tom, we're hearing of a breaking report unfolding right now! What can you tell our viewers about that?" "Well Ryan, Aruban officials earlier today have revealed that Beth Twitty trimmed her fingernails prior to buttering a few slices of toast." "And this is...this report is part of the official transcript from the....from Aruba?" "Ryan, that's absolutely correct. A crack team of Dutch lawyers arrived on Aruba this morning, freely speculating that Twitty will likely use the toilet at some unspecified time this afternoon. One judge, prior advisor to the High Muckety-Muck of Insignifiksztan, said,"That woman can put away more fiber than a polyester sweat shop in Sumatra." "And what about these reports we've been getting that Twitty failed to eat all the fruit she bought and had to toss it once it started attracting fruit flies, Tom?" "Ryan, that report has not been verified." "Thank you, Tom.And so the day grows darker in the case of the Tragic Kingdom/Horror In Paradise/Topical Tropical Tragedy/Buzzwords Akimbo/Pick Your Own Catchy Title! After the break, a Florida woman was more than suprised when her mail was delivered....by an alligator! We'll also take a look at Jane Fonda's new documentary, "Ho Chi Mihn and Me--A Pinko Commie Traitor Looks Back On 40 Years of Seditious Wit and Wisdom'. Don't go away!"

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 03, 2005 05:35 PM (Jgyse)

661 By the way, RDS, I continue in my policy to never acknowledge that idiot in any way. If people are unable to tell the difference between my posts and the remedial english posts of the Imposter...I won't give him the satisfaction of even a simple refutation

I do agree, though, whether you ignore or refute don't let the pathetic kid in plaid pants win THAT easily.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 03, 2005 05:39 PM (Jgyse)

662 Speaking of Oprah, I just can't figure her out. On the one hand, her accomplishments in the face of mighty odds (childhood poverty & abuse, racism, etc.) are to be admired & lauded. On the OTHER hand, she can be too effusive, over-the-top & melodramatic sometimes. Esp. if there are celebrities on her show. When Tom Cruise lost control on her couch(!) she just seemed to encourage him & act like she really bought into his 'love' for Katie Holmes. Whenever John Travolta is on the show, she goes nuts & her audience just laps it all up. Some of her shows, I do think, are praiseworthy; like raising awareness regarding child sex abuse, spousal abuse, womens' safety & enpowerment, etc. But, then again, other shows are a total waste of time. Like the Tom Cruise fiasco. Sorry, I know this forum is about Natalee Holloway, but I couldn't resist

Don't get me wrong. I think Oprah has done some amazing, positive things that have directly (& indirectly) benefited so many people. Yet, I think that too much validation has being heaped on her opinions. I mean, c'mon, she's Oprah, not GOD ALMIGHTY.

Posted by: RDS at August 03, 2005 06:18 PM (/b7gI)

663 Im still trying to figure out where RDS is from. What flavour asian?

Posted by: Rice at August 03, 2005 06:19 PM (xVQrR)

664 PS:- Expect a show about Holloway on Oprah any time now!!!

Posted by: RDS at August 03, 2005 06:22 PM (/b7gI)

665 The yummiest flavor of 'em all

Posted by: RDS at August 03, 2005 06:24 PM (/b7gI)

666 All the asian flavors are yummy

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 03, 2005 06:30 PM (Jgyse)

667 As I like to say, what can brown do for you? lol, its corny but I love to say it :p

Posted by: Carma at August 03, 2005 06:36 PM (aAmJ0)

668 Brown Chocolate is the best

Posted by: RDS at August 03, 2005 06:42 PM (/b7gI)

669 Well, if you take your brown and mix it with my white you'll get a lovely shade of beige!Which would be usefull for hiding in the desert or creating ambience in a dentist's office.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 03, 2005 06:44 PM (Jgyse)

670 Ha Ha Ha!!! Anyone interested in some Milk Chocolate???

Posted by: RDS at August 03, 2005 06:48 PM (/b7gI)

671 Does it come with a side of Cap'n Crunch?

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 03, 2005 06:53 PM (Jgyse)

672 RDS - can u stop avoiding my question. And nixons - WHOA buddy . lol

Posted by: Rice at August 03, 2005 06:53 PM (xVQrR)

673 Comes with anything u want

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Nobody's gonna guess where I'm from. Rice came pretty darn close & then quit right before the finish line

Anyways, that don't matter. Let's focus on the topic at hand. Holloway, Oprah, Tom Cruise, Jane Fonda, Hogwarts, whatever.

Posted by: RDS at August 03, 2005 06:58 PM (/b7gI)

674 I'm just going to throw this out there. Going back to the entire Natalee situation: After skimming the posts, because I would much rather scratch my eyes out then read word for word whats been written, i cant help but notice a reoccurring theme. In most of the opening remarks of peoples' post, the always add: "This beautiful girl" "A beautiful girl" - which makes it easy to infer that if she hadnt be so damn pretty no one would really care enough to hit refresh to check the posts on this page. So what happens when an ugly girl is kidnapped next time? is everyone gonna start off by saying: "This ugly girl." By stating over and over again how beautiful she is, not only are you pissing the ugly people off, you've seemed to minimize her importance to her face and supposed beauty. What about her character? and personality? And dont sit there and tell me shes a beautiful person in and out, half of you dont even know her. As for the ppl in alabama that posted, someone that went to school with her - that feels shes SOO IMPORTANT because YOU knew her? What about the people that we lose in iraq everyday? THEY HAVE FAMILY TOO. They are someone's somebody? Are they not important to be paraded across CNN and FOX? ANyways... me and nixons can no longer get married cuz he wants white wedding cake

Posted by: Rice at August 03, 2005 07:22 PM (xVQrR)

675 You are right about the the Americans in Iraq, Rice. But do you really know why the U.S. have military in Iraq? I mean do you understand why they are there, what are they fighting for? NOTHING. They really need to leave that place and shouldn't have attack Iraq in the first place. All you hear in the news was the number of Americans killed. Well what about the innocent people leaving in Iraq, what would you call them? I'm sure their lives are worth something too. They never found the weapons of mass destruction that the American people suggested they have. I'm not racist or anything but I'm kind of getting bored with the whole Iraq thing. I agree with what RDS said earlier about Bush but hey, he's the commander in chief so what can we do? I'd say leave that country alone because there is so much problems in America that needs to be taken care of.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 03, 2005 07:34 PM (9P3Og)

676 I wasnt directly referring to American troops in my post. I meant anyone, i used Iraq cuz its this big deal - and i woudl never tell a solider to they're face that they gave up their lives for nothing. Either way, what im saying is, everyday someones killed. But you dont seem them all over the news like this "beautiful girl." Just last week a mother beat her kids to death - how come we arent blogging about them? I agree that the war in Iraq is unnecessary, and a lot of the islamic extremist are rising from the ruins of the war on terrorism.

Posted by: Rice at August 03, 2005 07:40 PM (xVQrR)

677 I think everyone has a right to their opinion. I personally don't think Natalee is beautiful. You get rid of her make up and she's just like any other girl without make up. That's all it is. Every girl is like that, no questions ask. Look at Britney Spears without makeup and she's butt ugly. Anyway, makeup can hide the true imperfections of a girl, kind of like you can't judge a book by it's cover.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 03, 2005 07:47 PM (9P3Og)

678 Nixon's Ninja - forget holloway. I love you and want to have chocolate vanilla swirly babies with you

Posted by: Rice at August 03, 2005 07:53 PM (xVQrR)

679 Rice, I will take that as an offense. I personally don't like to engage in any type of activity with gay people. So if you are gay, please keep it to yourself.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 03, 2005 07:57 PM (9P3Og)

680 LOL - Im gay? I've known for a long time you're a man. .. so how does that make me gay. Anyways.. play along retard.

Posted by: Rice at August 03, 2005 08:00 PM (xVQrR)

681 Well Rice, there WAS an ugly girl lost in the green wilderness oout west somewhere. Her parents used a fake picture to show searchers, because they felt only a pretty girl would be looked for extensively. Turns out they were right, too. I'm willing to compromise on the chocolate cake

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 03, 2005 08:01 PM (Jgyse)

682 Which only goes to prove no one cares about the ugly ppl - ugly ppl need love tooo.. Ill consult a pundit and let you know when . lol

Posted by: Rice at August 03, 2005 08:05 PM (xVQrR)

683 This will be my last post as well. I can't stand this board any longer. Too many crazy people out there. This board started out good but it turned out to be a dump. Nixon and Rice, I say we stop posting on this site for a while and come back in about a week? At least that's what I'm gonna do so if there are any posts of me after this one, please disregard no matter how convincing it sounds because it will not be me. Like I said I will come back in a week. Talk to you guys later.

Posted by: RDS at August 03, 2005 08:22 PM (9P3Og)

684 What do you say Nixon, want to have a chocolate shake break? RDS is right this board is getting out of hand. So this will be my last post as well. Just want to let you know that I will be back in a week as well. Hopefully it will settle down by that time. See you next week RDS and Nixon.

Posted by: Rice at August 03, 2005 08:29 PM (9P3Og)

685 LOL. im not going anywhere, loser or no losers. What fun would it be talking to yourself lol.

Posted by: Rice at August 03, 2005 08:41 PM (xVQrR)

686 F****** LOSER is at it again. That last post was not me. Nixon, I can't remember saying anything about Bush. I think that was Sheila. I'm suspecting F-ing LOSER was behind that post, supposedly from you. Did you & Rice just have that exchange 'bout Iraq, or was that the work of the total MORON who needs to be sent to Fallujah, so he can be beheaded by those insurgents????? I've no intention of staying away from this site, whether for a day, a week, a month, a second, whatever. If some sick F*** posts under my name, I'm gonna make sure I shoot it down. But, Rice (if it was really you who made those comments) is right. Just today 14 Marines were killed in Iraq. Are they gonna be all over CNN & FOX, too? I surprised by your comments about the war, Nixon's Ninja. I assumed you were Republican; & that you'd be supportive of Bush's policies in Iraq. Personally, this war was BADLY planned. That's cost so many American & Iraqi lives. The U.S. media is SOOOOOOO hypocritical. They don't even bother to honor those dead, regardless of nationality. And, what about those starving, dying people in Niger????????????????? Good grief, if they had being given the same coverage Natalee has received so far, can u imagine the difference that would have made?????????????????????? The Western media, esp. the U.S. media, SUCKS.

Posted by: RDS at August 03, 2005 08:52 PM (/b7gI)

687 Well, if that's what's gonna take Rice, I guess I'll do the same. I don't want to converse with these losers. They're a bunch of immature, soured milk, F---S.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 03, 2005 08:53 PM (9P3Og)

688 I'll take a break too. And by the way, Carma is my new name guys

And I did say something about Bush, but I dont know if it is the thing you are talking about.

Posted by: Carma at August 03, 2005 09:34 PM (aAmJ0)

689 LOL.. this is insane. Yeh, i made the comments about how everyone is someone else's somebody. I serve some sort of poetic justice that way. And the exchange between me and Nixons Ninja about Iraq.. lets just say - i was on Yahoo! with Nixons and it would be pretty redundant to post on here when we can just talk it out. Like i said before - back off my ninja

Posted by: Rice at August 03, 2005 09:44 PM (xVQrR)

690 I am a travel agent for an internationally based company. We are online and handle walk in clients as well. I represent an 'umbrella' company- if you will. 75% OF ARUBA"S TOURISM DOLLARS ARE AMERICAN. Aruba has always been an easy and profitable sell.My agency has marketed Aruba as the safest and most 'Americanised' of all Caribbean islands. And as a responsible agent and one who loves beautiful beaches,friendly people ande turqouise waters, I've never regretted it. NO MORE. Aruba is IDEALISTICALLY beautiful. REALISTICALLY their legal system leaves MUCH to be desired. I represent at least 12 new clients daily.Via phone-via walk in. This not only includes resorts on Aruba such as the Holiday Inn, the Divi,and the Marriott but also cruises. Carnival, Royal Caribbean, Celebrity, Holland America. Aruba's allure is not quite so alluring any more. Anybody out there heard of Barbados? Turks And Caicos? St. Thomas, U.S. Virgin Islands? San Juan? St.Lucia? ( At the moment I don't recommend Curacau (Dutch and one hell of a long way to fly)as well as St Maarteen. (the Dutch side at least). Beautiful private beaches, casinos,amazing waters and spectacular people. Aruba is not the only island to have these qualities. I HAVE SENT MANY A CLIENT TO ARUBA BUT WILL NO LONGER DO SO. My heart goes out to the Aruban people.VERY RUDE AWAKENING IN STORE FOR YOU. BRING OUR GIRL HOME! DEAD. OR ALIVE.

Posted by: ginger capps at August 04, 2005 12:41 AM (A86ER)

691 Ginger Capps- I plan to go to Aruba sometime next year. In a REALISTIC sense,IDEALISTICALLY, I expect to be safe, BECAUSE I do not PLAN on frequenting BARS, drinking HEAVILY, and doing something STUPID like leaving in a car with THREE STRANGE MEN. One missing girl does not a CRIME WAVE make. I don't see the POINT in boycotting an island for JUST ONE GIRL. I noticed that you referred to Natalee Holloway as 'OUR GIRL'. I encourage you to go the website for the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Look up all the missing girls in your state. Some have been missing for a decade or three. Some are runaways, some are parental kidnappings, and some girls have simply vanished. Police in your state have not been able to find these girls, their cases are cold and their stories have for the most part been forgotten. Most of their stories never recieved one-tenth of the coverage that Ms. Holloway's story has. But these girls had people who cared about them and loved them. Are they YOUR GIRLS as well? Are you going to call the local police departments in your state and demand justice for them? Are you going to wonder about corruption and recommend boycotting these localities until these girls are found dead or alive? Probably not, huh? I suspect that before Natalee Holloway came along, you were obssessed with Terri Schiavo, The Runaway Bride, Laci Peterson, Chandra Levy, and JonBenet Ramsey. And when the Natalee Holloway case goes away, don't worry. The media will tell you who to care about next.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 04, 2005 04:58 AM (Qs29z)

692 Amen Jennifer. I told this story on another website, and i thought id share it here. The day after Natalee disappeared i landed at one of those exotic carribbean islands - and needless to say i came home safely. I dont think San Pedro is much different than Aruba. Neither is american and both seem to exhibit the same culture. We made it home safely because we followed simple rules - stick in a group - if you do venture out always check in. AND NEVER EVER EVER EVER let a drunk friend wander off. My brother, who went with us was 18 at the time. And didnt seem to have a problem following these rules. As well. I dont blame teenage drinking - considering i am from canada and our drinking ages range from 18 - 19 in every second province. Some responsibility, personal responsibility needs to be taken on the part of the victim. As a soon to be lawyer - i dont like blaming the victim - but as stated before crime is of OPPORTUNITY, so why give them the opportunity? And it makes me laugh - that people need to constantly remind us HOW BEAUTIFUL she is - really is that all that matters? As for bring our girl home - i made this point earlier - on any given day a handful of ppl will be killed or kidnapped.. and nobody seems to be blogging novels about them. Yet in every situation theres a family, that lost a very important part of their existence. But if we boycotted every state and every country where the crimes occur - our society would cease to function.

Posted by: Rice at August 04, 2005 04:11 PM (xVQrR)

693 Rice, I completely agree with you about what you said, especially about personal responsibility. The rules my friends and I have when we do go out to pubs and clubs are as follows: Never let a strange guy buy you drinks, never leave your drink unattended, always check in, and the cardinal rule is "You go out together, you come home together".

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 04, 2005 05:20 PM (Qs29z)

694 everyone learned on the hard way. This stuped girl did not know this things, DO NOT GO WITH STRANGERS? SHE knew that. In here I think something else happened.Have a little deaper examination. Go back the previous days. What had happened earlier?

Posted by: bubu at August 04, 2005 07:08 PM (kEMDH)

695 So why is it that when these points are raised people immediately squawk about 'blaming the victim'? When did common sense become the social taboo previously enjoyed only by cannibalism and necrophilia? I submit that a responsible media might point out that Natalee commited grievous errors in judgment when she left a bar with three strangers, if only as a cautionary tale to other teens.After all, they never tire of preaching and proselytizing on subjects that run the gamut from the Eeeeeeeevils!! of smoking to the alleged outrages of the Patriarchy. But no, she must be handled with kid gloves, as though she were home volunteering her time to teach crippled children advanced calculus and singing for eldely shut-ins on the night she disappeared. My face is green with nausea as a result of all this 'I'm OK-Your OK' 70's gestalt crapola. Let's hope we can inject a little truth telling into our national debate before we're all breast fed to death.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 04, 2005 07:12 PM (Jgyse)

696 Bubu- Parents tell their children , do not go off with strangers, do not talk to strangers--and still it happens all the time. Children disappear. Nothing else happened. There is no conspiracy. Natalee was drunk and by all accounts naive and sheltered. Drinking dulls your judgement-didn't you know that? Her friends all testified that she got into the car willingly. She even said "I'm going with them". I don't know what kind of friends these were, but that's another story. Previous days have nothing to do with it.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 04, 2005 07:16 PM (Qs29z)

697 Rice, Jennifer, Nixon: I agree with you guys 100%. But, just wait... The next poster (after moi!) will rebuke ya'll for being judgemental, mean-spirited, cruel, etc., etc. Some of these girls are all alike. Hopelessly clueless about REAL LIFE, shelted, gullible, you name it. Their parents are worse. They just encourage their kids' sense of delusion, invincibility, & entitlement. I hate to say this, but it seems to be an American thing. I mean, British, Aussie, whatever-other-country kids seem to be more level-headed & sensible. I guess it has something to do with the whole Hollywood-inspired, fast-lane culture of this country.

Posted by: RDS at August 04, 2005 07:39 PM (/b7gI)

698 Her friends were ubercreepy. Remember seeing them on TV a few days after this fiasco started? They kept babbling chirpily about how they were praying for Natalee and expected her to show up at any moment.It was like she'd only dashed down to the corner store for lip balm and a box of Brillo pads. I got the distinct impression that none of her friends were very concerned about her at all. They read off the script they felt was expected of them, but they're eyes held all the expression of the Kool Aid acolytes at Jonestown. Apparently I wasn't the only one that noticed; they havn't put in an appearance in quite some time.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 04, 2005 08:04 PM (Jgyse)

699 Nixon's Ninja--I agree. Her friends are very strange. They didn't seem all that concerned or emotional about it, either.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 04, 2005 08:31 PM (Qs29z)

700 Like I said, these kids live in their own deluded, spoilt surburban world. I guess it all depends where you live in America. Kids in urban, big-city areas seem to be relatively street-smart & grounded. I guess in Alabama they take longer to step outside the bubble.

Posted by: RDS at August 04, 2005 08:40 PM (/b7gI)

701 i am here to kill nixon ninja beep beep beep beep beep self destruct sequence activiated. beep beep beep BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ur all dead

Posted by: assbags at August 04, 2005 09:48 PM (pKJ4M)

702 Oh dear. Assbags, if you want I am sure there are a few numbers for some institutions in your area in the phone book. I am sure the nice men dressed in the white suits will help you with the big bad people that talk to you in your head.

Posted by: Carma at August 04, 2005 10:20 PM (aAmJ0)

703 and you're mentally disabled.

Posted by: Rice at August 04, 2005 10:28 PM (xVQrR)

704 i would like to say that this web site is descusting. all you kids have done is make a joke out of other peoples pain. as a parent, a sister, and an american i feel for the parents of that young girl. we have all made silly mistakes, that doesnt mean it should cost us our life, dignity, or future. i pray for her family and her everyday. now i will pray for all of your hearts as well. you should be ashamed. your parents would do the same for you as hers are for her if you made a costly mistake. i hope this will enlighten you. once again just put yourself in her parents shoes. can you beleive the pain they indure each day she is missing? i am sure we can not even imagine. i strongly suggest you think very long and hard before you contiue to express yourself in the manner in which you have been.

Posted by: r.mitchell at August 05, 2005 10:03 AM (YRHLD)

705 I'm sorry, but I don't feel that there is a problem with the way we have been expressing ourselves. I suggest that you read our comments again and try to understand what we're saying-rather than jumping to emotion-laden conclusions.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 05, 2005 12:23 PM (Qs29z)

706 Well, after over sixty days Natalee Holloway is still missing, in spite of a veritable barrage of media over-exposure, that has turned the aftermath of thisÂ” tragedyÂ” into a "News TV Reality Show", and an unrelenting media circus side show! With terrorist attacks having taken place in London, Turkey, and Russia; impending nuclear threats from Iran, North Korea, and possibly China; the developments taking place in Washington with Ambassador Bolton's Assignment, and Supreme Court Nominee, Judge Roberts; and other significant events taking place around the world, some of which may very well impact all of our lives, the amount of attention devoted to Natalee's disappearance is out of all reasonable proportion to other developments, and significant events taking place. I read the boards, and chagrin at the comments I read there: "What should we do to elicit a confession from Van Der Sloot?" Well, let me see. Perhaps we could torture him??? Â“The United States Government should put more pressure on Aruba to speed up their investigation, and on their Judiciary to let us know what their findings are so far. We should take action!" Ok, perhaps we should invade Aruba, and that way we can take over the investigation, as well as change their Judiciary, to satisfy the insatiable sensationalistic appetite of our media! Anyway, aren't some people calling Natalee's disappearance an "International Incident"? What the heck! might as well get the United Nations involved. A couple of Security Council Resolutions condemning Van Der Sloot won't hurt. And on second thoughts, if we invade, then we can send the Van Der Sloots, and the Kalpoes, to Egypt. They'll take good care of interrogating them for us over there. They've got the experience! The absurdity goes on, and on.... The fact is, that the disappearance (and probable death) of any young woman (or man) is a tragedy of itself, and every effort should be made to resolve it. But to equate the disappearance of one person partying in a "Girls Gone Wild" environment fraught with booze, available drugs, and plentiful gonads, who, out of her own lack of judgement (or that of her mother, who let her go in the first place) got into a vehicle with three strangers, and suffered a mishap which may have costed her, her life, to an "International Incident", worthy of the "undivided attention of the world's media" 24/7, and all the other hoopla going on, is just preposterous! It is worth noting at this point, that if Natalee was sharing her room with other students / friends ( I believe it was three girls), how come her disappearance went unnoticed until late the following morning, just before departure time? Even Greta has pointed out to this inconsistency in the statements made by her roommates. Was it perhaps because they assumed (some of them saw Natalee waving at them as she passed with Joran, and the Kalpoe brothers in their car) she was Â“making outÂ”, and or they were all too busy Â“making outÂ” themselves to notice her missing? Ironically, forty (yes 40) American young, men, and women, have disappeared in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico, right across our border, many presumed to be victims of kidnapping, and the story has gotten little, if any, media attention, though some of the disappearances took place during the same two month period during which the media has been lavishing so much pervasive, undivided, attention on Natalee Holloway! DonÂ’t the parents of these missing young people deserve the same coverage, and attention to their plight from the media, the politicians, and the bloggers, that Beth Holloway Twitty has gotten? Apparently not! The way the Natalee Holloway disappearance has been covered by the media, is a slap in the face to all the parents of missing children, who lack the resources, the savvy, or the connections, to just put their lives on hold, get on the next airplane to go search for their child, and pester officials in a foreign land; visit with willing legislators that want to be part of the Â“media eventÂ” in front of the cameras; or sit with your Â“News ShowÂ” celebrities teteÂ’ a teteÂ’ every night... night, after night... hashing, and rehashing the same stale facts over, and over... feeding the ratings, and the publicÂ’s appetite for the morbid! It is sad! Perhaps we will all be seating peacefully, in front of the TV, watching "Natalee Holloway" Re-runs with Nancy Grace on Court TV, the day the North Koreans, the Iranians, or the Chinese nuke us, because we were too busy with all things Natalee, to take our Lawmakers to task on the imminent dangers we face, or to focus on said dangers ourselves as a Nation! Althor

Posted by: Althor at August 05, 2005 01:41 PM (6mUkl)

707 Althor. Very well said, and I completely agree with you.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 05, 2005 01:44 PM (Qs29z)

708 Good post Althor. This is what the majority of us smart and rational people have been saying on and on, rather than going on about how "a beautiful young woman is missing" and we MUST find her! Natalee may be beautiful, but she isn't very smart is she? I think the first thing we must do to put our nation back on track is fire Nancy Grace and send her to a remote part of Africa, where she can live out the rest of her days in the most horrible conditions and she can suffer. She really deserves it. But no, really, the media is a circus. I think they should be taken over by the government and changed in order to give equal coverage to EVERY story, because that is really the one thing we lack. And this whole nuclear business is scaring the shit out of me. Doesn't anyone take this stuff seriously?

Posted by: Carma at August 05, 2005 04:15 PM (aAmJ0)

709 R. Mitchell - the only thing I'm ashamed of is that you've been educated in America. Check your spelling and shit. There's one simple rule I like to follow: If I cant spell a word, I wont use it. If you had followed that simple rule, you wouldnt have much to say.

Posted by: Rice at August 05, 2005 04:37 PM (Hxmuv)

710 I'm sorry Althor but I didn't quite get half of what you said in your essay. Please make it a little shorter next time. Thanks.

Posted by: RDS at August 05, 2005 04:44 PM (9P3Og)

711 Well boohoo RDS. I will make this short and sweet for you. I'm sorry but I don't spend 24 hrs, 7 days a week like you guys on this board to write 1 or 2 sentences of comments about the case. I try to be more productive and spend my time wisely than sit here all day like you. That is the reason why my essays are long.

Posted by: Althor at August 05, 2005 04:50 PM (9P3Og)

712 Bravo, Althor!!! Well Said!!! Loved your post

And, I LOVED what Carma thinks should happen to Nancy Grace!!! I really can't stand that Bitch! Shut Up Already. Greta is just as bad with all the Holloway coverage. But, I don't hate her the way I HATE the Southern Bitch. With that accent, she shouldn't be even speaking in public. Anyways, now that I've got that off my chest

, let's all plan the downfall of the psycho media, esp. Fox News. Althor was totally right about every parent of a missing child deserving the same coverage. But, then again, not every parent can muster a $1 million reward for the return of their child. It really makes me MAD. Just 'cus Natalee's parents can afford to jump on a plane & spend weeks on a tropical island, they deserve ALL THIS ATTENTION??????????????????????????????????????? r. mitchell, no offense, but, JUST SHUT UP. Some of us are not 'kids'. Maybe you are. Take your 'compassion' for this 'beautiful girl' somewhere else. If you've got that much 'compassion', heck, leave for Aruba now & start searching for her. Prayer alone won't cut it. Remember, actions speak louder than words. And, use spell check next time. SOME people in this country live in their own little universe. It's these same MORONS who were SO gung-ho about supporting the invasion of Iraq, falling for all BushÂ’s BULL SHIT claims in order to start war. Saddam was EVIL & needed to be removed. However, the Bush administration should have spent more time PLANNING this war, instead of charging ahead like a bunch of brain-dead cowboys. The lack of planning has contributed to countless American & Iraqi casualties. Now the tide is turning against the President where his handling of the war is concerned. Poll numbers confirm this. NOW people realize, Â‘hey, wait a minute, maybe we made a mistake RUSHING in like thisÂ’. Pity they didnÂ’t think of this OVER 2 YEARS AGO. I love America & Americans. This is a great country filled with good people. But, why oh why do you guys let your politicians deceive you like this, & get you all riled up over something that requires careful PLANNING & cautious EXECUTION??? This country is in one HELL OF A MESS over there (in Iraq). American men (& women) are dying ALMOST EVERY DAY, not to mention unknown numbers of Iraqi civilians. Is Nancy Grace gonna devote her show & her fucking self-righteous moral outrage to these people????? Of course NOT. Why? Well, their not BLOND, BLUE-EYED, & made for REALITY TV MELODRAMA. Now someone's gonna c'mon here & say that I'm just being 'jealous' of Natalee. SURE. She's missing. Probably dead. Yeah, I'm envious as hell.

Posted by: RDS at August 05, 2005 05:25 PM (/b7gI)

713 Wait a sec. That post after Rice WAS NOT ME. It's that FUCKING LOSER again. He/She, Nancy Grace, & R. Mitchell need to shipped off to Iraq. Esp. where all the insurgents are. Wouldn't it be fun to see Nancy Grace being beheaded?

Posted by: RDS at August 05, 2005 05:34 PM (/b7gI)

714 By the way, Althor, I don't sit all day posting comments on Holloway. I have a 40/hr a week job, like any normal person. I just check out this site at the end of the day. Can't help it. It's like crack. I keep coming back for more! Some of the postings are a hoot. And, sometimes I can't resist putting my 2 cents in. You should know that there's an imposter who likes to post stuff under other people's names. I call him/her FUCKING LOSER. That's the person who sits in front of their PCs all day doing this

Like I said, FUCKING LOSER.

Posted by: RDS at August 05, 2005 05:45 PM (/b7gI)

715 this just in today.. what do you guys think? WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A U.S. Navy crew and two robotic submersibles left for Russia's Pacific coast Friday in a race against time to rescue seven Russian sailors trapped in a mini-sub, U.S. Naval officials said. Britain and Japan are also sending rescue missions. But it is unclear exactly how much time the efforts have. According to Adm. Victor Federov, commander of Russia's Pacific Fleet, the sailors had enough oxygen to last through Monday. Earlier, another Russian naval official said only 24 hours of oxygen remained. The drama started Thursday when the propeller of the AS-28 mini-submarine became entangled in fishing nets or cable during a military exercise off the Kamchatka Peninsula in eastern Russia. The mishap left the sub nearly 625 feet down on the Pacific floor in Beryozovaya Bay, 43 miles south of Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky on the southern end of the peninsula. (Full story) Interfax reported Federov as saying early Saturday that the sub had been dragged 100 meters closer to the coast in an effort to get it to shallower water. The sailors could not swim to the surface nor could divers reach the vessel because it is too deep at 190 meters (623 feet) below the surface, said Russian navy spokesman Capt. Igor Dygalo. Crew members understand their situation and are not panicking, Dygalo said. They were asked to lower their physical activity level, save electricity, and try to keep themselves warm. He said crew members had enough food and water for five days. U.S. Navy officials decided at a high-level overnight meeting in Hawaii to send a contingent of at least 30 U.S. sailors and two robotic unmanned submersibles called Super Scorpios to the site, Navy officials said. An Air Force C-5 carrying the sailors and the rescue vehicles left Friday afternoon from the San Diego North Island Naval Station in California, the Navy said. The crew and the vehicles will be taken to a Russian surface ship, from which the crew will drop the Super Scorpios over the side. The underwater rescue vehicles -- equipped with video cameras, lights and agile robotic arms that can cut up to one inch of steel cable -- will be piloted remotely and used to untangle the mini-sub from the netting, the Navy said. The arms, which are called manipulators, are so dexterous that they can pick up a dime from the ocean floor, said Capt. Jacque Yost, Navy public affairs officer at the San Diego station. The British Defense Ministry said it has dispatched a six-man crew and a remote-controlled submersible by an RAF C-17 transport. The Scorpio 45 has three cameras and cable-cutting equipment. Japan said it had sent a vessel carrying submarine rescue gear and three other ships, but they are unlikely to arrive at the scene until early next week. Russia's swift request for assistance from the U.S. and Japanese navies contrasts with its handling of the Kursk nuclear submarine disaster of August 12, 2000. In that accident, almost exactly five years ago, 118 seamen died after trying to survive for hours in the icy waters of the Barents Sea. Some sailors survived for hours following explosions on board, but oxygen later ran out. Russian authorities were criticized for their handling of the crisis.

Posted by: Rice at August 05, 2005 05:56 PM (9P3Og)

716 I agree with some of the things said but I kind of like Nancy Grace. She is really critical about what the whole situation and that makes the story great. I personally think that she is doing a good job handling the story giving all the details and facts about the Aruban investigation. It really shows how terrible the Aruban government is which is what the world need to know. Hopefully third world countries will learn from this investigation if whenever they are put in this spotlight.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 05, 2005 06:25 PM (9P3Og)

717 But thats the problem. There are so many important issues to be discussed. And Nancy Grace spends hours on Natalee whom, not to be disrespectful or blunt or offensive or rude, is most likely dead. 60 days missing without a trace? If she was alive on the island still, they would have found her. I think we need to give it a rest. She is at peace now. Let her be that way.

Posted by: Carma at August 05, 2005 06:36 PM (aAmJ0)

718 Carma, how do you that she is dead when there is no body found? If she's not in Aruba, I believe that she was kidnapped and sold as a sex slave.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 05, 2005 06:47 PM (9P3Og)

719 Rice, I don't think the U.S. should help the Russians recover their ship, I mean what have they done for the U.S. I believe that this is one of those things that Bush wanted done so the world will see him as a good guy and they will forget about Iraq. Quite frankly, it doesn't work that way.

Posted by: RDS at August 05, 2005 06:53 PM (9P3Og)

720 Aruba is not a third-world country and that is not Nixon's Ninja. I think it's probably Conspiracy Theory again.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 05, 2005 07:22 PM (Qs29z)

721 FUCK U LOSER. That WAS NOT ME. DICK FOR BRAINS. Is Conspiracy the real culprit??? I thought he/she was one of the good guys

Posted by: RDS at August 05, 2005 07:36 PM (/b7gI)

722 I'm not saying it was Conspiracy Theory--but those comments sound like Conspiracy Theory and not like Nixon's Ninja at all. I think she's mad at me because I blew her theories out of the water.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 05, 2005 07:45 PM (Qs29z)

723 I gotta say this before I leave this site. Just for today, though! Why haven't American/Aruban authorities questioned those fucking 'chaperones' & 'friends' of Natalee much more & held them more accountable? Why hasn't the media (that's you, Greta, & Nancy 'Bitching' Grace) not focused their finely tuned journalistic selves on those people who were supposed to be watching out for her? Are they a bunch of angels? Mere lambs who had no idea/control over what was happening? BULL SHIT. I hope those Alabama friends of hers (chaperones included) are haunted for the rest of their pathetic lives by Natalie's ghost.

Posted by: RDS at August 05, 2005 07:51 PM (/b7gI)

724 I don't even know who Nancy Grace IS

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at August 05, 2005 07:53 PM (Jgyse)

725 Natalee's 'friends' have also changed their stories several time. And you have to wonder why they didn't report her missing that night when one of those girls was sharing a room with her. I'd almost think they had something to do with it, though logically I don't see how they could have. But they are very strange.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 05, 2005 08:01 PM (Qs29z)

726 I actually work in the US Navy submarine squadron in Japan, so at least the downed Russian boat has shifted attention off the golden calf that is Natalee. But you know she'll be back. Nothing can stop her inevitable saturation of every single media outlet in the world. Even Al Jazeera will feature a 'Blonde Infidels Lash Out Against American Capitalist Pig Dogs' next Ramadan. So enjoy this brief respite but recognize it cannot and will not last.

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at August 05, 2005 08:01 PM (Jgyse)

727 I certainly hope they rescue those sailors before their time runs out.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 05, 2005 08:09 PM (Qs29z)

728 I think that this whole issue about Natalee is making us forget of what is really going on around the world right now. Today marks the anniversary when we attacked Japan with the atomic bomb. So many innocent lives have been affected and to this day, Japanese lives have changed. They will never be the same. This was just cruel what we did to Japan. This is not how we are suppose to treat human lives. You may not agree with all this but I totally sympathize with the Japanese people. Radiation is still concentrated in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Because of this, their children have birth defects. I don't know if you guys watched the women's softball recently but look at the Japanese, the radiation stunned their growth and dried up their skin like prunes. Please take a moment to think about the innocent lives we killed and hope that this does not happen again. Please read the story below. HIROSHIMA, Japan (AP) -- For a brief moment, the trolleys stopped and the city fell silent. Then, with offerings of water and flowers for the dead, Hiroshima remembered how a flash in the early morning sky 60 years ago turned life to death for more than 140,000 and forever changed the face of war. Marking the 60th anniversary of the world's first atomic bomb attack, more than 55,000 people gathered Saturday in Peace Memorial Park, a sprawling, tree-covered expanse that for one day each year becomes the spiritual epicenter of the global anti-nuclear movement. The ceremony was an austere one. A moment of silence was observed at 8:15 a.m., the instant of the blast. After a flock of doves was released into the sky, wreaths and ladles of water -- symbolizing the suffering of those who died in the atomic inferno -- were offered at the simple, arch-shaped stone monument at the center of the park. Outside the nearby A-Bomb Dome, one of the few buildings left standing after the blast, peace activists held a die-in. In a "Peace Declaration," Hiroshima's outspoken Mayor Tadatoshi Akiba gave an impassioned plea for all nuclear powers to abandon their deadly arsenals. He said the United States, Russia and other members of the nuclear club are "jeopardizing human survival." "Many people around the world have succumbed to the feeling that there is nothing we can do," Akiba said. "Within the United Nations, nuclear club members use their veto power to override the global majority and pursue their selfish objectives." In a more subdued speech, Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi offered his condolences to the dead. "I offer deep prayers from my heart to those who were killed," he said, vowing that Japan would be a leader in the international movement against nuclear proliferation. Though Hiroshima has risen from the rubble to become a thriving city of 3 million people, most of whom were born after the war, the anniversary underscores its ongoing tragedy. Officials estimate that at least 140,000 people were killed instantly or died within a few months after the Enola Gay dropped its deadly payload over the city, which then had a population of about 340,000. Three days later, another U.S. B-29 bomber, Bock's Car, dropped a plutonium bomb on the city of Nagasaki, killing about 80,000 people. Japan surrendered on Aug. 15, 1945, bringing World War II to a close. The true toll on Hiroshima is hard to gauge, however. Including those initially listed as missing or who died in the years since from a loosely defined set of bomb-related ailments, including cancers, Hiroshima officials now put the total number of the dead in this city alone at 242,437. This year, 5,373 more names were added to the list. "For the people of Hiroshima, this is a day of prayer," said Takaomi Tahara, who lost several relatives, including his grandfather, in the bombing. To this day, he said, the remains of his dead kin have not been found. "For us, there isn't any closure." Along with being a time to remember those who died, Hiroshima's anniversary has become the focus of the international peace movement. In the biggest pre-anniversary event, about 8,000 people, including several hundred activists from 30 countries, attended the annual World Conference Against Atomic and Hydrogen Bombs, which was to conclude later Saturday. The organizers of the conference, mainly leftist and labor groups, have collected more than 8.5 million signatures calling for a global nuclear ban. Several hundred Koreans also held their own memorial. An estimated 20,000 Koreans, many of whom were forced to come to Japan as laborers, are believed to have died in the bombing. Korea was a Japanese colony from 1910 until Japan's surrender in 1945. "The suffering of our people has never been acknowledged enough," said Kim Bong-seon, who helped organize the memorial. "It was a tragedy for all, not just the Japanese." Hiroshima's normally quiet peace park, meanwhile, has been transformed into a stage for smaller gatherings spanning the ideological spectrum, from folk singers to Buddhist monks beating drums. On the eve of the anniversary, fundamentalist Christians held a prayer circle while members of the International Communist League handed out leaflets nearby. Some simply came on their own, offering a purely personal message. "Our goal is to apologize to those who suffered and are still suffering the horrible, unspeakable atrocity of the atomic bomb," said John Schuchardt, who came to Hiroshima with his wife from Ipswich, Massachusetts. Schuchardt, who said he also intends to visit Nagasaki, added that he was on a nine-day fast.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 05, 2005 08:16 PM (9P3Og)

729 Yes, I know about Nagasaki and the anniversary. But I did not post that article.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 05, 2005 08:20 PM (Qs29z)

730 You are right Jennifer, but I totally disagree with what you said about us attacking Japan. There was a very good reason why this happened and some people won't understand. The fact of the matter is that incident made us what we are today.

Posted by: Carma at August 05, 2005 08:25 PM (9P3Og)

731 Holy Shit! As if *I* would post something that long. Please ppl, i can barely get my periods and caps in the right place.

Posted by: Rice at August 05, 2005 08:29 PM (Hxmuv)

732 I can not help to start posting after I read the comment post by Carma. It was very CRUEL you saying there is reason to attack us. Is that how American think? Like ruthless killer? What is very good reason to attack Japan? That is a reason why many country don't like American. Always they think they good and better than everybody. It is not true. We Japanese are smarter than American. We make best engineers and scientist. We a small country but powerful. Japan technology is more advance than American.

Posted by: Hirohito at August 05, 2005 08:34 PM (9P3Og)

733 You go, Hirohito!!! That was a good one; if not grammatically challenged

Nixon's Ninja, r u a man in uniform?????????????? I wait earnestly for your response....

Posted by: RDS at August 05, 2005 08:51 PM (/b7gI)

734 You should spend a little time in Japan before trying to impersonate a native. That way you can mangle your english in a manner consistent with Japanese speech patterns and next time you won't be such an obvious fraud

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at August 05, 2005 09:00 PM (Jgyse)

735 YO, NN: U didn't answer my question? R U A MAN IN UNIFORM?

Posted by: RDS at August 05, 2005 09:03 PM (/b7gI)

736 Yes I am RDS, I am actually a Gulf War veteran (desert storm). I have done my term but they can still call me. Anyway, we killed those Iraqi bastards!

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 05, 2005 09:28 PM (9P3Og)

737 Oh lord, this is getting out of hand. Not even cool.. anyone sitting here questioning Nixons doesnt know him.. and obviously cant tell him from a imposter. I've had enough. Everyone FUCKING relax.

Posted by: Rice at August 05, 2005 09:41 PM (Hxmuv)

738 環境意識が高まる中RDS、Nixon Ninja 私たち東洋インキが掲げたテーマ、それが環境経営です。年度、「環境経営の実践で、環境意識の向上と関連新製品・事業を立ち上げる」を経営方針に掲げ、そして誕生したのが、「環境調和型製品」です。オフセット印刷の全行程にわたりVOCゼロを実現した枚葉印刷システム、有機溶剤の排出規制に対応したグラビアインキ、廃棄時のコストと環境負荷を低減するマーキングフィルムなど多岐にわたる製品は、すべて厳しい環境基準をクリアした製品です。21世紀、環境に調和した製品づくりは、すべての生活者の願いです。東洋インキは、「生活文化創造企業」として、地球や社会と共生し、地球環境の保全に取り組みます。 Fuck you

Posted by: Hirohito at August 05, 2005 09:45 PM (9P3Og)

739 OK, I'll FUCKING relax. Will the real Nixons please stand up?

Posted by: RDS at August 05, 2005 09:46 PM (/b7gI)

740 Yeah relax, Pakistani terrorist!

Posted by: Rice at August 05, 2005 09:57 PM (9P3Og)

741 Good one. But, you're barking up the wrong tree. I'm sure the real Rice would never be THAT rude or stupid... It's FUCKING LOSER again. What are you exactly? A fucking redneck that srews their cousin or sister for fun?

Posted by: RDS at August 05, 2005 10:00 PM (/b7gI)

742 No, I screw your mama!

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 05, 2005 10:05 PM (9P3Og)

743 There are more to come from RDS and Nixon Ninja. You no need using Nixon Ninja name, you no Japanese. Fuck 2 of you American.

Posted by: Hirohito at August 05, 2005 10:15 PM (9P3Og)

744 RDS, please stop responding to the fake posts. Remember when I said refusing to acknowledge him would exasperate him and lead to increasingly desperate attempts for attention? That's exactly what's happening

You're only prolonging the process. We can all tell which are the fake posts; it's not as though he's creative, original, or able to write even marginally well. All he can do is parrot what's already been said or resort to childish taunts that were old and tired while I was still in elementary school.So join me as my mocking, jeering laughter grows louder and louder and he gets angrier and more determined to elicit a respone. We shall continue to punish him with the worst torture his alleged intellect could possibly imagine--being relentlessly ignored.

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at August 05, 2005 10:18 PM (Jgyse)

745 Sounds good to me. Actually, the real you has a far superior writing style than that LOSER. It's just that I have a thing for men in uniform

That's why I got all hot & bothered when I thought you said you were one of them!!!

Posted by: RDS at August 05, 2005 10:29 PM (/b7gI)

746 The part about me being in the US Navy is true,although the one about Desert Storm was false. So difficult to seperate the wheat from the chaff, isn't it?

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at August 05, 2005 10:32 PM (Jgyse)

747 Look in the Torah and you WILL find Ms. Halloway! Not only that you will find the names of those involved with her; the time of her birth; that time and date of her death; and EXACTLY what happened to her. Try the Bible code! It's right there!!! Don't believe it? Try it for yourselfs!!!

Posted by: j at August 05, 2005 10:41 PM (zpKLj)

748 WHOA.. BACK OFF MY NINJA

Posted by: Rice at August 05, 2005 10:45 PM (Hxmuv)

749 Nixons, R U single...?

Posted by: RDS at August 05, 2005 10:51 PM (/b7gI)

750

Posted by: Rice at August 05, 2005 10:57 PM (Hxmuv)

751 You know, it always amazes me how non Americans are quick to slam us but always seem to have a hand out for our money. You come to our country and use our resources (universities, training, etc) and then put us down for everything we stand for. If there is trouble in your world, YOU call us to do your fighting for you. Then you slam us. You call us to bale you out of financial crisis. Then you slam us. Aruba was sure ready for those "hot white chicks" to spend money on their precious perfect little island. I gurantee you if the TRAVEL Channel wanted to do a show promoting their precious perfect little paradise that they would welcome the publicity with open arms. No one knows just how much Natalee drank that night. Juran was ording for her. Maybe someone drugged her drinks. I realize just how isolated and ignorant many of you can be but surely you have heard of DATE RAPE DRUGS? Why would any intelligent human being with a heart beat slam any victim. What are you saying, because she was young and niave, that she deserved what happened to her. How heartless can one be? Why didn't the slow moving Aruba police get off of their slow moving back sides and do something other than bumble the case in the first 24 hours? I will answer that for you, Money. They didn't want negative publicity to mess up their tourist industry. Back off of Natalee Holloway's mother. I am a mother and I fully understand what she is doing. If you had any compassion, you would too. How dare you print trash about a decent mother that is doing what any caring mother would do for her child. What kind of person are you? IF you don't like listening to the news about Natalee Holloway, than TURN IT OFF! Those of you who have slammed Natalee, and her Mother, You must live in a very perfect little world where you feel very safe and secure. What? Are you immune to heart ache or just cold and unfeeling? I guess YOU have never done anything stupid in your lives. I guess YOU are so much smarter than all the rest of us. I guess YOU have never been young and niave. I guess YOU have always been savvy to the ways of the world. Are you really going to slam a young girl for trusting the wrong person(s). Aruba touts how SAFE their perfect precious little island is. Why, Arub is practically CRIME FREE. They sale that crape to the tourist. Why wouldn't a young 18 year old girl BELEVE that she could trust and be safe. As for the negative press, the press is spending money (American Dollars) over there. That is what your precious little isolated perfect island is all about, isn't it? Getting people to come there and spend money so that you all can continue to live there and enjoy your lives. The Holloway family is spending money while they are there. They want to give $200.00 to someone who can help them find the truth. IF you are so unhappy about this situation, maybe some one should put pressure on Juran on the brothers (tweedle dee and tweedle dumb) to tell the truth instead of changing their stories every time they tell it. Then maybe the truth, Natalee or her body can be found and Aruba will be rid of this problem. I am sure the Holloway family just wants to go home and be done with ARUBA. Don't slam the mother for wanting the truth, slam Juran and the tweedle dee brothers for holding up the investigation. Slam the Aruban Police for not doing their jobs. I am sure after all of this, most Americans schools who have promoted Aruba for graduation trips, will think twice encouraging students to go next Summer. Arubans sure won't be bothered by anyone I know visiting their precious perfect safe crime free little island.

Posted by: Proud to be an American at August 06, 2005 12:20 PM (MrUCT)

752 Guys I didn't post that! That was FUCKING LOSER again. My god, if anything stupid comes from this name, it wasn't me.

Posted by: Carma at August 06, 2005 12:32 PM (aAmJ0)

753 To proud to be an American: I am still a child. But I am certainly not naive, nor am I isolated and i gnorant. If you think that Natalee didn't do anything in Aruba, you are dead wrong. You are just believing all the "perfect angel" shit the media spews out at us. Natalee was 18, much older than me! Even I know not to accept drinks from strangers,stay in groups, and don't leave with strangers. The only person who is isolated and ignorant is you. IN THE REAL WORLD, you can't trust anyone. You have to know how to protect yourself. You can't be STUPID. Obviously, Natalee didn't know any of this. Obviously, no one is asking to get themselves killed., But miss precious natalee wsa certainly asking for trouble. She shouldn't have been partying in the first place. Everyone says how she was SOOO smart. Yeah, maybe for them because being smart means all you have to do is graduate from high school and your a genius. And before you piss with Aruba look at our own damn country. It is people like you who make this country unbearable to live in. STUPID, IGNORANT, SHITHEADS like you. And maybe Arubans don't care about some idiot girl who came to their country, partyed all night, and got herself kidnapped. I certainly don't. It isn't heartless. Its realistic.

Posted by: Carma at August 06, 2005 12:45 PM (aAmJ0)

754 Proud to be an American was posted by me. I am an American Woman who came by this site by accident. I am not a F..... Loser. I am an edcuated intelligent person. I am appalled at the cruelty I found on this site. I am angry and sick to death of people using our country and slamming us. Americans can give and give and give but we are never to ask the world for any thing. My family travels. We travel alot. I am shocked over the Dutch and how they have treated this whole situation. You just want us to go away and and have everything forgotten so that you can continue to use us. The horrible comments written on this site about Natalee and her mother are shameful. I could careless about what you have say about me. Just turn the new about Natalee off and shut up if you can't do anything to solve the problem other than just run your mouths trashing people.

Posted by: Proud to be an American at August 06, 2005 12:53 PM (MrUCT)

755 If you don't like America or Americans than get out or stay out.

Posted by: Proud to be an American at August 06, 2005 12:56 PM (MrUCT)

756 Carma, Try not to show your jealousy. It is obvious to me that you are jealouse of Natalee and her being a "hot white chick" from a large and loving family. Your posts scream of jealousy. Sure she went to Aruba to party and have a good time. I am not stupid. What, because she was having a good time, she deserved to have that happened to her? Your not even making sence! No one ever said she was perfect. But you don't really know the truth, now, do you? You don't really know how much she really drank or whether or not she was drugged, now do you? I know she drank some and maybe alot. You sound lke those people who blame the rape victim instead of the rapest. GROW UP. Consider how your post sounded to me and others who read it. Have some compassion. All you are doing is inflaming people .

Posted by: Proud to be an American at August 06, 2005 01:06 PM (MrUCT)

757 Proud to be an American-- I hope, as a proud American woman, you care just as much about the American children who are missing in your state, and other states as well. But if they aren't white and considered 'hot', I'm betting you probably don't. Natalee is not the only missing person in history. It's not about blaming the victim either, but there is some element of personal responsibility.Natalee's 'so-called friends' said that she got into that car willingly. She wasn't carried. This should perhaps serve as a warning to teens-drinking heavily affects your judgement. For your imformation, I'm American. Most of the people posting here are Americans. What on earth made you think that we weren't?

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 06, 2005 02:17 PM (Qs29z)

758 Also, don't slam Aruba and the Dutch. They have done all they can to find this girl--just because things aren't moving as fast as you'd like is no reason to criticize them. When we have cases that have gone unsolved for DECADES in this country, to slam another country's police force for failing to find a girl in 60 days takes a whole lot of nerve.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 06, 2005 02:39 PM (Qs29z)

759 Proud to be an American, if you are really proud, educated, intelligent like you say you are then what in the world is a RAPEST or a SENCE? Last I heard, that's not a word. Quite frankly, that don't exist. You are not educated and intelligent like you said you are. And before you accuse me of being jealous, get your facts straight because I'm not stupid like Natalee, and she is not hot, I tell you that.

Posted by: Carma at August 06, 2005 03:26 PM (9P3Og)

760 Fuck You Prod to be American, RDS , Nixon 専用機をチャーターすることの最大の利点・・・それは、リスクマネージメントです。不穏な世界情勢の中、民間航空機を狙ったテロから搭乗者を守ることができ、企業のトップやVIPを安全に目的地まで運べるチャーター機の需要はますます大きくなっています。時間のロスがなくスケジュール管理ができ、出発地・行き先・経由・時間もお客様の要望に沿って手配することが可能です。羽田・札幌・仙台・成田・名古屋・大阪・広島・福岡の8主要都市空港を含め全国の各空港からの離発着が可能です。もちろん機内はこのうえなく快適にすごせるように工夫が凝らされて、目的地まで到着ギリギリまで打ち合わせの移動会議室としてのご利用も可能です。は世界で最大の私立語学学校協会で、世界各地には３００のグループ校があります。Inlinguaは本部をスイスのベルンに置き、質の高い教材や、教育手法を常に研究し、その研究内容を世界各地のグループ校に提供しています。中世の建築物、芸術の都でありながら、ミュンヘンはまた、ドイツで最も学生の多い街でもある。ロマンチック街道、ノイシュヴァンシュタイン城、アルプスリゾートへの起点でもある。こちらはとても寒いです。昨日は15℃でしたが日差しがあったので多少暖かかったのですが、今日は10℃・・、そのうえ乾燥が激しいので手がカサカサです。昨日はグラナダにあるアラブ風呂に行きました。予約制で10人くらいしか入れず薄暗い中お香がたかれていて、若干温めの浴槽と水の浴槽があります。日本とは違い寝ないと全身つかれないけど、ゆったりしていて２時間もあるのに１時間で私は満足でした。マッサ－ジも追加金額を支払えば出来るようです。水着着用なのですが、なんと更衣室は男女一緒なんですよ！！これにはびっくり！！外人さんはあまり驚いた様子はなかったです。そして、夜はアラブ街の御茶屋さんに行きました。水たばこを楽しむアラブ系の人々がたくさんいました。なぜ行ったかというと、同じピソの日本人の子が、９時半からフラメンコショウがあるみたいと誘ってきたからです。行って見るともう時間なのに、気配がないので、店員さんに尋ねるとフラメンコギタ－でした。途中から、太鼓の人も加わり、なかなか良かったです。お茶とクレ-プのみの値段で生演奏きけるなんてお得！！毎日いろいろ何かやっているようです。しかし、スペインは適当なので、突然変わることとかあるみたいです。最近はなれましたけどね笑。。。日本人は珍しいのか、店員さんに何度も笑われました。今シエスタの時間、お店はやっていないです。ということで、インタ-ネットカフェはたくさんのお客さんです。これから、サクロモンテの丘の方を登り、レッスンです。いろいろな国の生徒さんがいて楽しいです。

Posted by: Hirohito at August 06, 2005 03:42 PM (9P3Og)

761 Bravo to you, Jennifer & Carma. Carma, I can't believe you're younger than Natalee. You write pretty well for a teenager! Good for you

Proud to be an American, please take your misplaced patriotism to the next Pat Buchanan rally. What an uninformed idiot! You AND him. Any intelligent, reasonable person knows that America has done lots of good things in the world. Saving Europe from the Nazis & Asia from Japanese Imperialism are blazing examples. YET, that DOES NOT MEAN that this country is infallible & can do no wrong. Nothing is further from the truth. And, let me make you aware of this FACT. This country, as any other, DOES NOT do most things out of the goodness of its heart. There is such a thing as SELF-INTEREST. If that wasnÂ’t the case, then America would have being one of the first countries to help the starving people of Niger. Know about THEM? How about those American Marines who were killed a few days ago in Iraq? Heard of THEM? DonÂ’t you (Proud to be an American) know ANYTHING about your countryÂ’s foreign policy history? No, wait. ThatÂ’s asking for too much, isnÂ’t it? YouÂ’re the type of American that doesnÂ’t know what the FUCK is going on in your OWN country, let alone someplace else. Are you even aware of the major issues of national & international significance that are shaping your nationÂ’s political & social debate; like the war in Iraq, the cost to U.S. & Iraqi lives (bet you donÂ’t give a FUCK about the latter), your presidentÂ’s (mis)handling of the war on terror, social security reform, lack of medical insurance for MILLIONS of Americans, child sex abusers on the loose, nuclear threats from Iran, North Korea, etc., etcÂ…? No, youÂ’re busy being obsessed over ONE missing person, when there are THOUSANDS of missing persons in this country already. Yeah, weÂ’re ALL SO JEALOUS of Natalee. SheÂ’s probably DEAD. Yeah, weÂ’re JEALOUS alright. WE donÂ’t have blond hair, WE have big, loving families too, & WE know better than to get pissed drunk & get in the car with strangers. JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP & GO BACK TO WATCHING YOUR AMERICAN IDOLS (Greta Van Sustren, Nancy Grace, Sean Hannity). Americans like YOU are why non-Americans hate your country. Just because something bad happens to ONE of you, means that the whole worldÂ’s got to stop moving. Yeah, right!! Go back to watching Desperate Housewives, Oprah & Natalee Holloway updates on Fox , while your own country & the rest of the world keep falling apart. You must be one of those over-indulged, oblivious suburban twits who donÂ’t know how GOOD THEY HAVE IT. FUCKING CLUELESS, SELF-INVOLVED, GEOGRAPHICALLY-CHALLENGED, GULLIBLE, AMERICAN IDIOT.

Posted by: RDS at August 06, 2005 04:05 PM (/b7gI)

762 FUCK YOU AND GO BACK TO PAKISTAN, RDS!!!

Posted by: Proud to be an American at August 06, 2005 04:21 PM (9P3Og)

763 I'm not from Pakistan, Sweetie

Do YOU KNOW WHERE that IS? Do you know where California is on your country's map? How about Texas? New York? Do you KNOW how to FIND your country on a world map? Do you know what MAP means? I can tutor if you need any assistance. By the way, those evil non-Americans know more about America & what's going on in this country than a lot of Americans. Strage, huh?

Posted by: RDS at August 06, 2005 04:25 PM (/b7gI)

764 A Pakistani like you need to be deported back to were you belong. Go terrorize your own country and not the U.S.!!!

Posted by: Proud to be an American at August 06, 2005 04:30 PM (9P3Og)

765 Hirohito のあなたが話しているのはナンセンスである。

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 06, 2005 04:32 PM (Qs29z)

766 Proud to Be An American is as thick as two short planks. What part of 'I'm not from Pakistan' don't you understand?

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 06, 2005 04:36 PM (Qs29z)

767 I am incredibly tired of being taken to task for my alleged lack of compassion. Anyone who dares to utter the heresy that Natalee bears any responsibility for her fate are cruel, heartless MONSTERS! Superior people like Proud to be an American are shocked....yes,SHOCKED that anyone would fail to fall all over themselves to gush and gurgle and spew the same platitudes they themselves deal so heavily in. We must be stopped! This wicked behaviour must be stamped out! You make me sick. You're the reason this country is rotting and falling apart at the seams.Please spare us your self righteous indignation and go back to indoctrinating the nation's children in the art of believing the world owes them something. Why are you unable to tell the difference between A. Natalee's behaviour made her an easy mark for her attackers; let's all learn a lesson from this, and B. SHE DESERVED WHAT SHE GOT! HAHA! Nobody is saying she deserved it, Brainiac. We're saying that intelligent people recognize that the real world (the one you claim to know oh! so much about)is not a Nice Place brimming with rainbows and puppy dogs and only retards and coddled Americans behave as though it were. You accuse me of being isolated and ignorant about date rape drugs. On the contrary, everybody is aware of the danger and any reasonable person takes precautions to gaurd against it. Except Natalee and her creepy friends, apparently, the same ones we're not allowed to say exercised poor judgment that night.People like you have grown so accustomed to demanding special rights and priveleges and having these unreasonable demands met that you expect the whole world to ALSO fall in line and revolve around You. But alas, it does not and will not, so until you relinquish this belief that you're somehow entitled to special consideration you'll continue to be easy prey for the genuine predators of the world.Oh, but you're a PARENT. Yes, that means you have SPECIAL WISDOM AND INSIGHT unavailable to single people and the childless, right? Wrong. Common sense does not depend on your reproductive system in order to function.Nobody here cares that you're a parent; why on earth would you even mention it? It doesn't give you any more credibility or lend weight to the shrill arguments you're posting.How dare I say these things about Natalee and her mother, you ask? I dare a whole lot more than that, lady. I'll say anything I happen to feel, and all the self righteous soccer moms in the nation will not force me to comply and adhere to the touchy feely New Age line. Better get used to it.

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at August 06, 2005 04:39 PM (Jgyse)

768 Pakistani, Indian, Iraqi, same difference. Now go back to your ROOTS!

Posted by: Proud to be an American at August 06, 2005 04:39 PM (9P3Og)

769 Hey readers. It's me again, Rusty Shackleford, just like to drop into my forums from time to time and see what's up. Join us on the main page, if you'd like. Hasta.

Posted by: Rusty at August 06, 2005 04:44 PM (JQjhA)

770 I thought all along that you're from Pakistan, I must have misread it in the posts, so where are you from RDS? Anyway, I'll take that as a compliment (whatever you said about my writing).

Posted by: Carma at August 06, 2005 04:56 PM (9P3Og)

771 Proud to Be an American- Why don't we all go back to our roots? I'll go back to England, Ireland, Wales, Italy or Germany-basically Western Europe-and you go back to wherever your ancestors came from. And we'll leave America to the Native Americans-it belongs to them anyway.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 06, 2005 05:05 PM (Qs29z)

772 Please do, Carma

That was REALLY ME! I'll keep my origins to myself, for now

That really doesn't matter does it? Did you catch the last comment from Proud to be an American? "Pakistani, Indian, Iraqi, same difference..." "Same difference"???? Isn't that an oxymoron by a MORON???????????????????????????????????????? What a RETARD. IÂ’m glad there ARE other Americans (like Jennifer, Nixons, etc.) who fully make up for this one fucking idiot soccer mom. Nixon's Ninja, I'm falling in love more & more with each passing post. I'll keep assuming you're single, until otherwise stated

Posted by: RDS at August 06, 2005 05:12 PM (/b7gI)

773 Jennifer I am a native American, so quit wasting your time blabbering your mouth. So I'll go back to my roots and stay here in America. How sad that you don't even know where you came from. That means you can't go back to your roots.

Posted by: Proud to be an American at August 06, 2005 05:33 PM (9P3Og)

774 I am Native American.Thank you very much! And I am not the one complaining about America. If your not happy being an American, why don't you go back to your roots. The is the most intelligent comment you have made. Yes, go back and maybe you won't find so many things to complain about. But then, you like so many others can only complain and slam. Your useless when it comes to problem solving or taking positive action. You people need to read or do something about knowing who writes what because I didn't say anything about Pakistan, Iran ......It makes no difference....... Look at the end of the comment to find out who posts what. But then, as smart as you are, you shouldn't need any one telling you how to do anything. Uh? I am not a soccer Mom. I don't write with the F word. Someone is writing under my name. How sad that they have to hide behind someone elses' name. How very sad that you have yourself surrounded by such a negative and black environment. Yes, I understand now and I pity you. YOur world probably was so very different from Natalee's world. Your world sounds horrific and I pity you. I suggest you get some counseling to help you over come your anger issues. I feel so sorry for you. Maybe your Mom wouldn't fight so hard for you. How sad. I really pity you. signed by the Real Proud to be an American Take positive action, Put up or Shut up. signed PTBA.

Posted by: Proud to be an American at August 06, 2005 05:34 PM (MrUCT)

775 That last post wasn't me, I knew you weren't pakastani. You already said you were from an island off India. And as for Proud to Be an American, why would I be jealous of Natalee? Shes dead. I am quite happy that I am sitting here in one full piece thank you. And you are truly the definition of an ignorant American. Its pretty funny actually. I am still waiting to meet someone this stupid in real life. As for how my post sounded to you, Does it look like I care? And actually I do know she was drinking. Witnesses, anyone? W-I-T-N-E-S-S-->One who can give a firsthand account of something seen, heard, or experienced. I wasnt sure if you knew what that meant, Proud to be an American, so here's a definition. And thanks RDS for the compliment! Please stop using my name, whoever it is. You seem to be a respectable person, and no one will get on you if you used your own name...

Posted by: Carma at August 06, 2005 05:36 PM (aAmJ0)

776 Oops, you posted JUST before I did, so I didn't see your post. Sorry, proud to be an American, I did not know that wasn't you.

Posted by: Carma at August 06, 2005 05:39 PM (aAmJ0)

777 Proud American- Oh, I know where I came from, sweetie. My ancestors came from all the places that I mentioned. Where would you suggest I go to get back to my 'roots'?

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 06, 2005 05:43 PM (Qs29z)

778 Don't bother to reply to any of my comments. I will not be back to this site. Someone is writing filth and signing my name. They have to hide behind someone else' name because they don't have the guts to speak their own mind. Good bye. I really hope that you will one day find out what it is like to have so many people love and care about you, the way Natalee's family, friend's and even strangers care about her. I find it sad that you have never experienced that kind of world. If I lived in your world, I would look at the world as an ugly place too. I can see why you can't trust people. I pity you. Don't hate people like Natalee and her family and me because we chose to surround ourselves with trustworthy and caring people. Don't hate Natalee because she was beautiful and blond. Bye now. I am gone for good. Grow up and get some help. I wish you could know what love, kindness and trust is. You are a hater and not a lover. Sad, sad, sad. signed by Proud to be an American but not proud to be a part of this childish, compassionatless, hater type board. I think I will find a board where people are kind to one another. Peace to all of you.

Posted by: P at August 06, 2005 05:45 PM (MrUCT)

779 Don't bother to reply to any of my comments. I will not be back to this site. Someone is writing filth and signing my name. They have to hide behind someone else' name because they don't have the guts to speak their own mind. Good bye. I really hope that you will one day find out what it is like to have so many people love and care about you, the way Natalee's family, friend's and even strangers care about her. I find it sad that you have never experienced that kind of world. If I lived in your world, I would look at the world as an ugly place too. I can see why you can't trust people. I pity you. Don't hate people like Natalee and her family and me because we chose to surround ourselves with trustworthy and caring people. Don't hate Natalee because she was beautiful and blond. Bye now. I am gone for good. Grow up and get some help. I wish you could know what love, kindness and trust is. You are a hater and not a lover. Sad, sad, sad. signed by Proud to be an American but not proud to be a part of this childish, compassionatless, hater type board. I think I will find a board where people are kind to one another. Peace to all of you.

Posted by: Proud to be American at August 06, 2005 05:45 PM (MrUCT)

780 You talk like Mike Tyson, PTBA

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 06, 2005 05:46 PM (9P3Og)

781 You pity me. How touching. Yes, that juvenile trick of pitying your opponent is still much in vogue amongst the kindergarten set. "I am a blue raccoon!" "No you're not! That's a stupid thing to say." "Oh, I pity you, your mommy must not love you, you must not have any friends, I feel so sorry for you..." Cheap, sad AND inneffective.That tired old attack should come with a disclaimer that reads, 'Warning: The following is an attempt to discredit you by bringing up negative character traits and smearing you with them by faking sympathy for your condition. Best if used by April 15, 1876." Not only are you a predictable, whiney hag, you're boring to boot. And you don't have to be an actual soccer mom in order to display the same kind of behavior. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then an acquatic fowl it must be.

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at August 06, 2005 05:48 PM (Jgyse)

782 Honey, See a doctor. Your anger issues are going to make you old before your time. Or maybe you take too many drugs?

Posted by: Proud to be an American at August 06, 2005 06:09 PM (MrUCT)

783 Honey, See a doctor. Your anger issues are going to make you old before your time. Or maybe you take too many drugs? Please don't hate me because I have a life!

Posted by: Proud to be an American at August 06, 2005 06:10 PM (MrUCT)

784 Wow! PTBA is a native American. I would have never guessed. She's still a DUMBASS. Sorry. I apologize for using the F-word a lot in my posts. I rarely use it in everyday conversation. I guess 'cus this is online I've let myself go. Wish I could have made my point without resorting to profanity

That was not very mature of me

Will try to do better, but I can't promise anything! The next dumbass is asking for it

Nixon's Ninja must be taken. All the good ones are

Posted by: RDS at August 06, 2005 06:17 PM (/b7gI)

785 I thought you weren't coming back, Proud. Isn't that what you said?

You thought you'd return and offer an unanswerable insult first, huh? See a doctor? File that under the same Whiney Hag Makes Boring, Predictable, Uncreative insult header as your previous posts. Honey.

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at August 06, 2005 06:32 PM (Jgyse)

786 Proud To Be An American- I wouldn't want Natalee's 'friends', for all the tea in China. Friends who allow you to get in a car with strange men? Friends who change their stories when talking to the press? With friends like that, you don't need enemies.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 06, 2005 06:42 PM (Qs29z)

787 I don't know, though, Jennifer....there's an awfully lot of tea in China. You could take Nat's friends, stash away all the tea in the basement, and then just ditch 'em all at the mall.

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at August 06, 2005 06:51 PM (Jgyse)

788 Nixon's Ninja- Sounds like a plan to me

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 06, 2005 06:54 PM (Qs29z)

789 NN, R U Gay? The Village People had a sailor...

Posted by: RDS at August 06, 2005 09:00 PM (/b7gI)

790 Yes I am RDS. I joined the U.S. Navy so I can meet good looking men.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 06, 2005 10:14 PM (9P3Og)

791 My life is OVERrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Posted by: RDS at August 06, 2005 10:38 PM (/b7gI)

792 It is stink. The whole story does not make since. Why the mother travels to Aruba and the very next day she stands out on TV and whisper it into the air "the security guard is innocent" .How she new that?

Posted by: bubu at August 06, 2005 10:43 PM (kEMDH)

793 Ok, I guess it's time to expose myself. I'm really from Libya and my parents immigrated to the U.S. when I was 6 years old. Now I live in Alabama.

Posted by: RDS at August 06, 2005 11:04 PM (9P3Og)

794 BuBu, Here are some suggestions: 1. Change the channel 2. Turn off the TV 3. Read a newspaper 4. Read a book 5. Turn on a Radio or CD player. Why do you watch stuff that makes you so sick? Satelite

Posted by: Satelite TV at August 06, 2005 11:09 PM (MrUCT)

795 RDS, "Expose yourself"? Isn't there a law against that? Satelite

Posted by: Satelite TV at August 06, 2005 11:16 PM (MrUCT)

796 Why?, because not of your business. And why keep changing your race RDS? First you said your Pakistan now its Libya, which is the truth? Are you embarass to tell?

Posted by: bubu at August 06, 2005 11:16 PM (9P3Og)

797 Look, he said he was going to EXPOSE himself so he couldn't be too embarrASSED.

Posted by: Satelite TV at August 06, 2005 11:18 PM (MrUCT)

798 I think RDS is a SHE, Satellite. Either way, Libya or Pakistan are bad place to come from.

Posted by: bubu at August 06, 2005 11:21 PM (9P3Og)

799 Satelite TV and bubu, get out of it! That isn't RDS, he is from an island off the coast of India and he as already said that he isn't Pakastani. And stop saying stupid things. Go away. You aren't in this discussion anyways.

Posted by: Carma at August 06, 2005 11:28 PM (aAmJ0)

800 I'm gonna bed. STUPID F****** LOSER is at it again. That last post was not me. But, did I really have to say that? And, why is the F****** IMPOSTER so fixated on Muslim/Arab countries??? Is he/she a racist twit too, in addition to being a F****** LOSER? Remember, the enermy within is sometimes more dangerous than the foreigner without. Right, Timorthy McVeigh? I don't think I wanna go to Alabama. Definitely New Orleans, LA. Nixon's Ninja, gay or straight, I'm yours

See ya'll tomorrow.

Posted by: RDS at August 06, 2005 11:30 PM (/b7gI)

801 Thanks Carma! But, I'm a SHE. I still can't believe no one's guessed where I'm from? Rice & Carma are so tantalizingly close!!!

Posted by: RDS at August 06, 2005 11:33 PM (/b7gI)

802 Thanks Carma! But, I'm a SHE. I still can't believe no one's guessed where I'm from... Rice & Carma are so tantalizingly close!!!

Posted by: RDS at August 06, 2005 11:33 PM (/b7gI)

803 Who are you to tell i'm not in dsicusion? You back off Carma, I'm just asking questions. There are no stupid questions. I dont pretend to know it all like you and everybody in the board.

Posted by: bubu at August 06, 2005 11:39 PM (9P3Og)

804 I'll guess one more time, RDS. Are you Chinese?

Posted by: Carma at August 06, 2005 11:43 PM (9P3Og)

805 RDS, I'm single, straight, and guessing Sri Lanka.

But I'm a Republican, so maybe you want to rethink this budding affection!

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at August 06, 2005 11:59 PM (Jgyse)

806 RDS, do you have anything to do with this? GAUHATI, India (AP) - Suspected separatist rebels Sunday blew up a crucial oil pipeline and nearby homes in India's northeast, shutting down operations, police said. No one was hurt in the pre-dawn attack at the pipeline of the state-run Oil India Ltd. in Sivasagar in Assam state, 350 kilometers (215 miles) northeast of the state capital Gauhati, police said. The pipeline brings crude from Oil India Ltd's pumping stations and oil fields in eastern Assam via a refinery in Numaligarh town to Gauhati. The attack was seen as a show of strength by the outlawed United Liberated Front of Asom ahead of India's Aug. 15 Independence Day celebrations, the officer said on customary condition of anonymity. Rebels try to carry out such attacks before important national days. "Soon after the blast we switched off all pumping operations from eastern Assam and have taken control of the fire in a few hours," said the company's General Manager Mohan Bhandari. "There are sufficient crude supplies available for the refineries to run, but the pipeline will take a few days to be restored."

Posted by: Proud to be an American at August 07, 2005 08:05 AM (9P3Og)

807 Nixon's Ninja- YOU ARE MY HERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Will you be mine????????????????????????????????? PTBA - Yes, I led those rebels to the pipeline. It was a successful operation.

Posted by: RDS at August 07, 2005 08:25 AM (/b7gI)

808 Not me again. This stupid shit is sich an idiot.

Posted by: Carma at August 07, 2005 09:45 AM (aAmJ0)

809 I have to think about that RDS. Hmmm.., OK.. Why don't you email me your picture and I will decide if I can be yours.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 07, 2005 10:19 AM (9P3Og)

810 Btw RDS. I do not intend to offend you but I just don't want to get my reputation hurt. I don't date ugly girls.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 07, 2005 10:22 AM (9P3Og)

811 RDS, are you saying that you know something about the incident in India? That was very low of you.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 07, 2005 10:33 AM (9P3Og)

812 I don't know about you guys, but I'm beginning to think that Nixon is the imposter and culprit for all this mess on this board.

Posted by: Carma at August 07, 2005 10:51 AM (9P3Og)

813 I really think that it is sad that people have no compassion for this story. A few years ago I had a friend that was murdered and this takes me back to that time. It is sad that we live in a world where people cant meet other people and hang out without having a fear of being murdered. I think that in a time like this we shouldnt focus on it being anyones fault but instead pray for the families. Whoeverhas or killed Natalee will get their punishment. And to whoever wrote the terrible things about Natalee's mom.....think if you were in her shoes...how would you feel..having no closure...sleepless every night wondering where your daughter was.....Would it be easy for you to live with that. I just hope that there are more people out there who can pray for the family.

Posted by: keri at August 07, 2005 11:33 AM (ywZa8)

814 Shut up keri. Why is it that when somebody posts for the first time on this board that they would always say.. "pray for Natalee, be in her mom's shoes and stuff. That is getting old. People just keep repeating themselves.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 07, 2005 12:24 PM (9P3Og)

815 Keri- It's just common sense that you don't let strange guys buy you drinks and go off in a car with them. Maybe the world shouldn't be that way, maybe it's not fair, but life is not fair. We need to deal with the way things are, rather than moaning about how they should be.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 07, 2005 01:17 PM (Qs29z)

816 No, Jennifer. I actually didn't lead those rebels in India. I just packed them their lunch. Nixon's Ninja - You haven't even seeing me, so how can you think I'm ugly? Besides, you're in Japan, I'm in the North East (of America, that is); it just wouldn't work. Let's be online lovers. What say you?

Posted by: RDS at August 07, 2005 01:31 PM (/b7gI)

817 Well first RDS, you sound too desperate. Second, it seemed like you spend too much of your time here on the board. And last but not the least, it seemed like you try to make people think that you look good but where online here. What do guys think of you personally when they see you?

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 07, 2005 03:14 PM (9P3Og)

818 Their eyes are immedietly drawn to the area below my neck. And, that's no idle boast. By the way, I can say the same about you spending too much time on this board

You're always there to respond to posts, esp. if they piss you off. And about the 'desperate' part, well, YOU'RE the one stuck in a submarine. I've heard what that can do to a man...

Posted by: RDS at August 07, 2005 03:44 PM (/b7gI)

819 I hate to boast but seriously, chicks dig me..

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 07, 2005 04:11 PM (9P3Og)

820 Also RDS, they must not be attracted to you. In other words, desperate men would probably put a paper bag over your face so they can just enjoy what's under the neck.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 07, 2005 04:13 PM (9P3Og)

821 Nixons and RDS, shut up... I dunno if thats even you, but if it is, you guys are really annoying and your comments are disgusting. Oh and that last post wasn't mine.

Posted by: Carma at August 07, 2005 05:18 PM (aAmJ0)

822 Those most recent posts haven't been RDS or Nixon's Ninja. They have been the troll.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 07, 2005 05:55 PM (Qs29z)

823 Thanks, Jennifer!!! I don't know who I'm talking to anymore. I guess we've exhausted all that there's to be said about Natalee. So, I'm gonna say bye, bye. I still have a tiny crush on Nixons. I hope it wasn't the REAL him making all those awful comments.

Posted by: RDS at August 07, 2005 06:02 PM (/b7gI)

824 That wasn't the real him.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 07, 2005 06:03 PM (Qs29z)

825 Keri, if you go back and read the very first sentences of the very first post on this discussion board you'll notice they have to do with the way the media has portrayed this story. The debate was originally about the excessive amount of coverage for Holloway while millions of other missing people can barely generate a yawn on the news.Does your heart bleed for them? Of course you're going to say yes, because that's the answer required to make yourself and others believe you're a good person, but the fact is you didn't care.Not really. Oh, you may have ocassionally mustered the energy to say it was terrible, but you spent about 2 seconds thinking about it before moving on to something more relevant to your life such as buying groceries or maintaining your mortgage payments.And prayer, while it may make YOU feel better, does nothing to find Natalee or ease the distress of her family. I may as well demand that we all sprinkle fairy dust around and call THAT Action. None of us here knew Natalee Holloway. Do I feel compassion for her? Sure, in much the same way I feel compassion for the people who died on the Titanic or perished in the trenches of WW I, real people who can only exist for me as an abstract idea. I didn't know any of those people, either, but it certainly would've been a horrible way to die. There weren't enough life boats on the Titanic, you know. Hundreds drowned because the shipping line lacked the foresight to include sufficient emergency gear for their unsinkable boat. Imagine a conversation that went like this- "Hundreds drowned in the icy Atlantic! Oh, the horror!" "Too right, Sir Percy! I say, why didn't the ship builders exhibit the good judgment to include sufficient life boats and station extra watchstanders to look for ice bergs?" "Oh I say, Archibald old chap! How dare you criticize the people who drowned! Where's your compassion, you monster!?" "But I'm only saying we should prevent anything like this from happening again..." "Stop blaming the victims! Sir, my card! I demand satisfaction from you at dawn!" As for Beth Twitty, I have no doubt that she's devestated about her daughter. That's understandable. So are the thousands...no, make that millions of people worldwide who have lost a loved one to war, famine,kidnapping, disease and old age--and that's just in the two month span since her daughter disappeared.They're grief-stricken too. Beth Twitty isn't special, she just received the fickle attention of our media and those other suffering millions didn't. So why on earth am I required to weep and wail and gnash my teeth for HER while I remain indifferent to every other misery the world has to offer? I may be cold and unfeeling in your eyes, but at least I can't be accused of hypocrisy.

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at August 07, 2005 08:42 PM (Jgyse)

826 Clap! Clap! Clap! Can you hear all that clapping to your wonderful speach, NN? NN, You are presenting yourself as a person who "knows everything about everything"; a person that is smarter than the rest of us; a person that knows me better than I know myself. Why not tell us more about yourself: Are you the same person that SAYS he is on a submarine? How many months at a time are you on that sub? How often do you actually INTERACT with PEOPLE? It takes a certain type personality to be able to work on a sub. What do you actually do on that sub? How do you get along with PEOPLE? I mean, have you always "played well with others" What is your rank in the navy? How do you know what people are thinking about anything? How can you speak for me or anyone else? What makes you such an authority about life? What led you to believe that your views on life is "the view" to have on life? What led you to be so arrogant? Many psychology books will tell you that men often use arrogance to cover an insecurity. Is that true in your case? Are you one of those men who believe that it is your way or the highway? Do you believe that women are inferior to men? Do you function well off of that sub outside the Navy in the REAL world among REAL people? Fox Watcher

Posted by: fox watcher at August 07, 2005 09:32 PM (MrUCT)

827 Fox Watcher- Please don't try to psychoanalyse people. You're no good at it. Go back to watching Fox-that's about your speed, I should imagine.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 07, 2005 09:46 PM (Qs29z)

828 Jennifer, Hmmmmmmmmm. Your nose seems to stay up NN's rear. Are you one of those people that LATCHES ON to some one and follows his every lead? You remind me of the Kalpoe Brothers and how they jumped when Juran called that night Natalee went missing. Why they were even willing to go to jail for him. Does any one else see a similarity here? Are you Clyde's Bonnie. She followed that idiot to the end. I find it curious that you jump to NN's defence, although my post had NOTHING to do with you. Is he not a big enough Sailor Man to speak for himself or does he need a female admirer do it for him? Are you one of those women who write to male prisoners? Fox watcher Fox Watcher.

Posted by: fox watcher at August 07, 2005 10:10 PM (MrUCT)

829 Do I believe women are inferior to men? Where did THAT come from? Ghost of Andrea Dworkin, I cast thee out! Get the hence and trouble us no more!

Everyone posting here is airing an opinion, how does airing mine translate into arrogance? I may disagree with people but I believe I'm fairly civil in saying so, with the possible exception of Proud to be an American, who got under my skin a bit.Interesting that you completely ignore all my points and proceed directly to the personal attacks, though.

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at August 07, 2005 10:20 PM (Jgyse)

830 By the way, what IS the personality type required to work on a submarine?

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at August 07, 2005 10:33 PM (Jgyse)

831 Fox Watcher- I jumped on your post because I felt it was total bollocks, basically. Basically I think you're a complete idiot who has taken a psychology course. So little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. Give it up, honey. A profiler you are not.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 07, 2005 10:40 PM (Qs29z)

832 Fox Watcher- Why don't you go over to The Riehl World blog? That's just full of sad wannabe detectives trying to come up with the most gruesome scenario for what happened to Natalee. Basically I think you would fit right in.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 07, 2005 10:44 PM (Qs29z)

833 Fox Watcher- Because you watch Fox, I don't expect you to have an IQ over 75 or anything, but when you try to act better than the rest of us, at least get your facts right: His name is JORAN, not JURAN. and it is SPEECH, not SPEACH. God, you are just as stupid as that other girl from Ayl-a-bay-maw who tried to act smart-you two could be great friends

Oh by the way-I find it mildly hilarious that you have to make up stuff about people to make sure that they know you are the superior one. Haha :p

Posted by: Carma at August 07, 2005 10:53 PM (aAmJ0)

834 NN, I meant no harm nor did I intend to attack you personally. Sometimes, things written rather than spoken can come across diffferently than the writer intended. I interpret much of what you say to be arrogant; as though your opinion is the ONLY opinion. I mean, it is as though no one else is allowed to have an opinion except you and jennifer and that carma person. If I am wrong, then correct me and I will certainly apologise. My guestions were directed at you (NOT JENNIFER) in an attempt to get to know you better. I have read your posts and I would like to understand where you are coming from. I would like to know, really, I would. I will say it before you do: It is non of my business and that is true. I am saying I would like to know if you would like to share. With all respect intended, Fox Watcher. Jennifer, You have a right to your opinions and I have a right to mine. Do you really think it was mature to tell Keri to SHUT UP? Does she not have a right to voice her thoughts. I get the impression that maybe you want this board to just be all about your opinion. Maybe you want NN all to yourself? Why have a board if no one can say anything without being attacked or ridiculed. Is it your job to run every one off. Just say up front the kind of people who are welcome to post. The world is not made up of just people who think and believe like you do. You come accross as hostile to those that don't. Just my opinion. Fox watcher

Posted by: fox watcher at August 07, 2005 10:55 PM (MrUCT)

835 Fox Watcher-- You should be aware that someone here hijacks our screen nmae's all the time. Jennifer has been consistently polite and reasonable; anything you read that was offensive was from the Imposter and not from her. I leave it to you to decide which of these posts likely came from me and which did not.

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at August 07, 2005 11:00 PM (Jgyse)

836 Hmmmmmm..... Sounds like this is gonna be an interesting showdown. Jennifer, NN, & Carma Vs. Fox watcher Stay tuned.

Posted by: RDS at August 07, 2005 11:06 PM (/b7gI)

837 Carma and Jen I am not trying to impress you or anyone else. I am trying to understand something: Why do you attack and put down others who post their opinions when their opinion differ from yours? Why do you respond to questions directed to other people? I know and understand how you both feel about the holloway girl. I think we all understand your thoughts and opinion. You have pretty much crammed it down everyone else's throats. Some of us would like to know what others out there are thinking. We know already what the two of you think. NN on the other hand has got me puzzled. Fox Watcher

Posted by: fox watcher at August 07, 2005 11:06 PM (MrUCT)

838 NN, Jen, I didn't realize there was a highjacker. I apologise. I just saw where Keri tried to post her thoughts and feelings and someone posted and told her to shut up. Sorry. I have no desire to have a "show down" with anyone. Fox watcher

Posted by: fox watcher at August 07, 2005 11:13 PM (MrUCT)

839 NN puzzles me too. But, for different reasons, I suppose... There are only two schools of thought expressed on this board so far. Those asking everyone to 'pray for Natalee & her family' & those who feel that this case is getting way too much coverage than it deserves. I've read nothing that deviated from these two positions. And, NN - you gotta admit that it takes a 'certain type of personality' to work on a submarine. I mean you guys are gone under for months on end, living in those shoe box spaces. Yikes!!! I'll hand it to you. You guys are brave & tough.

Posted by: RDS at August 07, 2005 11:13 PM (/b7gI)

840 Fox Watcher- I didn't tell Keri to shut up. Not directly nor indirectly. And I haven't run anyone off. I don't have that kind of power. But I will speak my mind, and I will insult anyone who insults me. I admit it, I am sarcastic at times. I did get into an argument with Conspiracy Theory-but her theories were not realistic. Yes, I do get annoyed at the 'armchair detectives' who come crawling out of the woodwork for cases like this. This is real life, not a mystery drama. I'm glad the world is not made up of people who agree with me. What a boring world that would be. Please read all our posts-see what we are trying to say rather than jumping to conclusions. Nixon's Ninja does not belong to me--his opinions are his own. With regards to the Natalee Holloway case we agree,but who knows? We may disagree on countless other points, and you know what? That's okay with me. BTW-Those 'questions' you aimed at Nixon's Ninja (and myself), were not attempts to know anyone better. They were backhanded insults-you might as well have asked him if he had stopped beating his wife. Please be honest and not cowardly.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 07, 2005 11:14 PM (Qs29z)

841 This site is sack.I never commented that what shows up under my name. lies in big time. Loosers

Posted by: camrabubu at August 07, 2005 11:14 PM (kEMDH)

842 Fox News- Look, I am willing to listen to what you have to say and be reasonable. I am trying to understand where you are coming from here. My temper does flare from time to time but I am on the whole a very reasonable and calm person. Seriously. Hoping we can mend this trouble

Jennifer

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 07, 2005 11:19 PM (Qs29z)

843 Jen The questions were directed at him. I did not ask you any questions until you stuck your nose in. I am not a coward. Why did you stick your nose in? Can you not controll yourself? Why are you so hostile towards people, anyway? Can't you voice your opinion without being sarcastic? New comers to this board don't deserve your out and out meaness. NN doesn't need you to speak for him? Why do you think he does? How do you know what I am about. You don't know me. Be truthful, you don't want to know me. You remind me of a junk yard dog barking and snapping, just waiting to bite someone's head off. Now, I never called you a junk yard dog. I said you remind me of one. We could have avoided all of this if you would have stayed out of it. I think you like "Show downs". Fox watcher

Posted by: f at August 07, 2005 11:25 PM (MrUCT)

844 Fine, Just forget I said anything. Is there any way to delete my messages. I hate all this sarcastic stuff. You say something and I say something. It is just a waste of time and energy. Really, I would love to delete all of my posts and pretend I never found this board. Sorry to every one I offended. But I would like to see someone apologise to Keri. Her opinion may be different but she didn't deserve the treatement she got. Fox watcher.

Posted by: fox watcher at August 07, 2005 11:30 PM (MrUCT)

845 Aaaahhhh .. I went away for a few days, and will continue to be absent for a few more. Taking care of business, yeh. Anyways.. i didnt have time to read all this - RDS im guessing SRI LANKA.. Lanka.. the land of Rahvan.. that Hanuman set on fire to rescue Sita.. Anyways.. NIXONS YOU"RE NOT SINGLE ANYMORE? *cries*.. sigh.. it was nice while it lasted.. i guess you couldnt wait forever for me.. To PTBA - we come to your country and use your resourceS?? WOMAN NOTHING IN YOUR COUNTRY IS FREE>. how the hell are we using your resources? I pay 30K in Tuition.. . I pay 1k in healthcare.. ive only been to the Doctors ONCE while in the states.. My ass.. *turns on the sarcasm*. you are so right we are such bad ppl paying out of the ass to exploit your resources.. save it.

Posted by: RiCe at August 08, 2005 12:38 AM (W18RN)

846 No one mistreated Keri. Keri doesn't need an apology.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 08, 2005 06:10 AM (Qs29z)

847 FOX WATCHER! AWESOME POST and your words deserve being resubmitted... by "Fox Watcher": Clap! Clap! Clap! Can you hear all that clapping to your wonderful speach, NN (nixons ninja)? NN, You are presenting yourself as a person who "knows everything about everything"; a person that is smarter than the rest of us; a person that knows me better than I know myself. Why not tell us more about yourself: Are you the same person that SAYS he is on a submarine? How many months at a time are you on that sub? How often do you actually INTERACT with PEOPLE? It takes a certain type personality to be able to work on a sub. What do you actually do on that sub? How do you get along with PEOPLE? I mean, have you always "played well with others" What is your rank in the navy? How do you know what people are thinking about anything? How can you speak for me or anyone else? What makes you such an authority about life? What led you to believe that your views on life is "the view" to have on life? What led you to be so arrogant? Many psychology books will tell you that men often use arrogance to cover an insecurity. Is that true in your case? Are you one of those men who believe that it is your way or the highway? Do you believe that women are inferior to men? Do you function well off of that sub outside the Navy in the REAL world among REAL people? Fox Watcher Thanks again Fox Watcher for keeping it REAL, it is rather amusing how NN never responded to your inquisition!

Posted by: Conspiracy Theory at August 08, 2005 06:25 AM (ODKYI)

848 Funny you chose the word Inquisition.

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at August 08, 2005 08:03 AM (Jgyse)

849 NN, AH come on, do tell us more about yourself. You have all of us women on this board fighting over you.

Fox Watcher

Posted by: fox watcher at August 08, 2005 10:47 AM (MrUCT)

850 Jen, I am sure you are a fine person (no sarcasm intended). Please remember that not everyone is as tough as you are. Who ever told Keri to SHUT UP, should appologise. We differ in our opinion on this one. I don't know where you are from (don't guess it matters) but there really are parents in this country who work very hard to protect their children from the ugliness of the world. Now before you jump on me, I am not saying that it is the right thing to do, I am saying that what I wrote above is a fact. I am saying that we all have different backgrounds in which we were raised differently. Many of us were raised to view the world in different ways. Some of us are more positive than others. Some of us have more experience with real life than others do. We can't always get impatient with those that are not as experience or as (I hate to say it like this) intelligent (for lack of a better word). I Know girls just like those girls in Mt. Brook Al. Yes, believe it or not they are raised in a very protective and safe and perfect environment. They have been the joys of their parents lives and everything in their lives is centered around their happiness. I know how that sounds but it is just a fact. Don't attack me or ridicule me because I write this. It may not be what you know and you may not agree with it but it is a fact of life, at least where I am from. I wonder about why Fox is devoting so much air time to this case? If one good thing comes from so much coverage, it is that I hope teenagers are realizing what can happen in the real world. Maybe they will pay attention and protect themselves. Look, a few years ago when those people were being kidnapped from that little town just across the border in MX by those MX witches, I had never heard of such a thing. Yea, I Knew bad things happen to people but I gotta tell you, that was shocking to me. My questions are: How are the Twitty's connected? How are they able to get so much coverage from Fox. I don't believe that it is just because Natalee was a blond. Fox Watcher

Posted by: fox watcher at August 08, 2005 11:16 AM (MrUCT)

851 I have been telling myself not to post on this site and have done well up until now. I have just recently stumbled upon this site in searching for more information on Natalee Halloway. The only reason I did so was because I hadn't heard anything for a while and wanted to know if there was any new imformation. Why was I so curious, but of coarse, the media has made it a national tragedy/investigation/interest/whatever and I am generally interested in the outcome of her disappearence. Although I hold out no high hopes that she will be found alive, I do hope that they find SOMETHING so that this story can be out of the media and her family can get that bit of closure and get on with their lives. While I agree with you whole-heartedly about the media coverage on this one particular girl to be outrageous, I do find it very beneficial for her family that there is this much coverage. They have the world on her side hoping and "praying" for her return one way or another. Hoping and praying do very little, this I know, but emotional support is important to some people who do not have the means to help in the way that they would like. I only wish that every person gone missing could get the same amount of coverage as Natalee and her family has. I also wish that when these huge media frenzies do present themselves that it would include a person that didn't fit the profile of blonde, skinny, young or whatever other characteristic this world looks at through rose colored glasses as perfect. But thats all it is, is a wish for broader horizons that in this day and age will never come, or ANY day and age for that matter. So, all we are left to do is sit here and voice opinions that are our own but won't make a bit of difference to anyone important that has the ability to make a difference for someone they deem less important or not as news-worthy as Ms. Halloway. So to each their own in that aspect. The more differing opinons, the more exciting a discussion can be. I commend you all, this has been a very entertaining topic between the people who were not distatefully bashing Natalee and her family. Now, on another note, the definition of who I am as a person probably would fall somewhere in the lines of what NN so frankly put it, "Soccer Mom." My children are not yet old enough for me to bring them too and from practices yet, but when the time comes I will take that title and wear it proudly. Now, I do believe that I read that you do not have any children NN? While everyone is entitled to their own personal choices when it comes to children, marriage or the outcome of how they would like their lives to be, I CAN tell you, as a mother, your life changes dramatically. I would live and die for my children. And knowing what it is like to have a child I can say that the biggest fear that you would ever have as a parent is exactly what Beth is going through now. Parents are not perfect, and neither are you or anyone else. We can not hold our childrens hands forever and at some point we are forced to let go. We only hope that our children take the knowledge, common sense and love that we give them to help them along the way. Wether they make the right decisions or not, we still love them unconditionally. Natalee may have made bad decisions, VERY bad decisions, but she is still a person who deserves some sort of compassion. We all have an idea of what happened to her, we all know the events leading up to it, we all know the little details, and apparently your interested enough about the outcome, that you come back to this site on a daily basis. I am not trying to personally attack you here, or anyone for that matter, but when you so easily brush off the possibility of putting yourself in Natalee's mothers shoes, I understand why you would brush off such a thing. Easy to do with something that you know nothing about. I feel for every mother out there who has lost a child or has had a child disappear. I only hope that I never have to be the one that goes through it and if I do, I can only hope that my child would get the media coverage that Natalee has gotten.

Posted by: Alicia at August 08, 2005 12:49 PM (jpzCy)

852 Alicia, You are very different from a lot of the othre mothers who post on this site: instead of chastising us and saying we are going to hell, etc, etc. your post was well thought out and intelligent. It is important that the media starts to cover all ranges of people, and I agree with that. But I have to bash Natalee's mother, and I have a good reason for it. The media portrays Beth as a great mother, caring, blah, blah, the works. But she has a lot of flaws. Why did she let her daughter go to Aruba without her? Irresponsible on her part, if you ask me. A bunch of teenagers alone without parental guidance is an accident waiting to happen. Also, she is insensitive. I believe that with all the media coverage, as I mentioned above, she would at least mention other kidnapping cases or kids missing internationally, but does she? She must realize the plight of other parents who are frantic to find their children. She is frantic certainly. She should help them out, because many of them don't have an apple pie daughter or enough money to put into this investigation. Beth Holloway Twitty, in my opinion, is a self-centered, absored, vain, stupid bitch (!) and I wouldn't mind if she just dropped off the face of the earth forever. Alicia, I hope you post again. The people who post more than once are usually only the ones who are blaming Natalee and bashing the media. I want to see a regular who can argue against us, to spice things up :p

Posted by: Carma at August 08, 2005 03:09 PM (HYu/D)

853 Fox Watcher- I will try to remember that (not everyone being as tough). I try not to be harsh. Honestly I didn't tell Keri to shut up. If I did I would willingly apologise for that. I am originally from Virginia and I now live there (though I've traveled all over). I'm the oldest child in a working-class family and my parents always believed that forewarned is forearmed, so to speak, and that being too naive can lead you into trouble. I am an optimist, basically, but I know there are bad people out there, and have avoided some situations that could have been dangerous. As a result I am a very cautious person. I know girls who have been very protected from the world, and they are generally very vulnerable. One of my oldest friends is like that-I've had to get her out of several scrapes. I do sometimes think that her parents did her a disservice--she tends to trust everyone and is always getting into trouble. Like you said, though, everyone is different. I am not going to attack you, nor ridicule you. I know we started off on a bad foot-and I am also to blame because I do have a mouth on me. But on the whole I am generally a nice person and I will admit when I'm wrong or I screw up (frequently). I honestly will try to be more patient--though the armchair detectives coming up with gruesome theories do tend to get to me in a major way, as well as the 'boycott Aruba' people who seem to think that Natalee is the only missing person ever. Not having cable, the only time I get to see Fox is on Sunday or when I am over at my brother's house. The rest of the time it's newspapers and network news. I don't know why the coverage is so heavy-I admit that it does have elements that are interesting, but apart from that I honestly don't know. Natalee is blond and she is fairly pretty, but I agree, I think someone in her family must be connected to get this much coverage. I really do hope they find Natalee and that she is safe, but I also wish that for all the missing children out there--some of whom have been missing for decades. I spent a couple of hours on the website for Missing and Exploited children and it just about breaks your heart. The news media tries to make everything into a panic-they would have people believe that there is a epidemic of child snatchings. Overall, the rate hasn't changed. Many missing children are found within 48 hours of going missing. Often missing means lost. Missing can also mean hiding (that's why police generally search the house and yard first) or there has been an accident, such as drowning or a fall.Sometimes it means the child has run away, or been taken by a parent. Actual stranger abductions are statistically still quite rare, thank goodness. That doesn't mean precautions should not be taken, but it does mean that people don't have to panic. Okay, now I'm rambling and I have to put dinner on-so hoping we're cool and I will talk on here later.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 08, 2005 03:39 PM (Qs29z)

854 Thank you Carma. I do appreciate the compliment. As you said, most of you that do post on a regular basis seem to be on the same side in most, but certainly not all, aspects. You guys make me laugh with your well thought out posts, your opinions and your choice of words. Many a post on hear has gotten me to chuckle!

I can definitely understand why you feel the way you do about Beth. I myself, would NEVER, let my child travel alone with only 7 adult chaperones to watch 120 some odd teenagers. I agree with you that that was irresponsible of ANY parent that sent their children to Aruba on that trip. Fortunate for at least 110 or more parents, their children came back safe and sound. Lucky them. However, I still have to feel bad for, well not really HER, but feel bad for the situation that she has been put in, or rather she has put herself in. She is going to have to live with the guilt of letting Natalee go without her for the rest of her life. Not a burden that I would want to carry around. It's easy to sit here and point fingers and say she should have done this or she shouldn't have let her go, but coulda woulda shoulda are all words that are past tense (lol, they aren't even words, but you get the picture). Closure for a parent has got to be a very important part of their grieving process. I really do hope that she can get that closure and move on with her life, and the world can move on, I'm sure, until another blonde hair, blue eyed, upper class young women disappears and we can all start talking about that one! It's a vicious cycle! So, while I understand everything that you say and I do agree that she seems like a spoiled brat who always has to get her way, I still admire her in a small way. Looking at the bigger picture, she is still just a mother who has lost her child and will stop at nothing until she finds out her daughters fate. In her position, I would probably do the same.

Posted by: Alicia at August 08, 2005 03:40 PM (jpzCy)

855 Alicia, I understand what you're saying about Beth Holloway-Twitty. I even understand where Natalee's mother is coming from. I don't think it's a smart move to attack Aruba, however. I think they are doing the best they can with the evidence they have to go on. She needs those people on her side, she doesn't need them against her.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 08, 2005 04:00 PM (Qs29z)

856 I guess Alicia is the first REAL, MATURE, INTELLIGENT adult who has posted on this site. She makes me feel very immature & childish. Yikes! Although, I don't regret the 'majority' of my comments so far. Just the swearing, though. That's a nasty habit I need to work on. Just 'cus this is a faceless forum, doesn't mean that civility should be thrown out the door. I apologize

And, moving along, I can't believe I was accused of spending too much time on this board. Judging by the length of previous posts...well, need I go on? And, fox watcher is a woman...? Hmmmmm...I thought you were a man. Oh well. And, finally, NN - I'm beginning to think you're a vain, arrogant 'fly boy' type. No offense

Posted by: RDS at August 08, 2005 06:31 PM (/b7gI)

857 I enjoy Alicia's remarks. However,as the saying goes, there's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 08, 2005 06:38 PM (Qs29z)

858 Something that is really worrisome is that the people who hae grown up in sheltered, protected enviornments all their lives (a quarter of America probably) will most likely get in the same trouble Natalee. I am 14 and I live in a suburb off of Cleveland. People think because I live in a suburb I don't know about the world. Not even close. I have gone into the city and witnessed a robbery. I started reading the newspaper when I was 3, and there are so many deaths and murders in our city and country I ogt the picture pretty quickly. So I don't trust anyone. I got a thick skin. People need to be taught about the world, because if they don't than they are going to get hurt when they leave their home for the real world.

Posted by: Carma at August 08, 2005 06:46 PM (HYu/D)

859 Carma, when you where 3, did you understand what you were reading? Or are you just reading the pictures in the newspaper. Because, when I was 1 not only can I read but also can I write.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 08, 2005 08:57 PM (9P3Og)

860 Um Im an adult.. and i think ive been very mature... i probably dont have anything intelligent to say because hell im not even following the story anymore.. i came by cuz nixons brought me.

Posted by: RiCe at August 08, 2005 09:27 PM (q9FjF)

861 Rice, r u female too?

Posted by: RDS at August 08, 2005 09:39 PM (/b7gI)

862 Hi Alicia, Thanks for posting your thoughts and sharing your feelings. Your kids are so very fortunate to have a Mom like you.

Sorry, I can't help it. I do get gushy sometimes. I still believe in the American family, baseball, apple pie and all that stuff. Jen, we are cool.

It takes a very mature person to apologize and I respect you for doing so. There is nothing wrong with being assertive and speaking your mind. You do have much to offer the less experienced and I hope you will use your energy, experience and intelligence to help educate people. Not trying to use any psychology on you but your mouth can acutally be a gift, if it is used in the right way. You would probably make a great "Big Sister" in the Big Brother and Big Sister Program. Just my opinion. RDS.........Yes, I am a woman. What made you think I was a man? I must admit, I was taught to think like a man. Carma, You are wise beyond your years. Thanks for sharing about your life. I hope that you too will find a way to use your life's experience to help others. You too have much to offer. Okay, now I will tell you a bit about myself. I am a woman. I have a Masters degree in Social Work. I tell you that because I want you to know that as a Social Worker, I have seen real life (the good, the bad and the ugly. And, this is the truth, I have an older sister that was kidnapped at age 5 by our grandfather and taken from our home on the east coast out to the west coast. After a lengthy and very emotional ordeal, we got her back. That ordeal negatively continued to affect both my sister and me for our entire lives. Hers, more than mine, of course. My mother was never the same after that. It was as though any trust and emotional strenth she had was used up during that horrible ordeal. Obviously, we didn't have an easy time growing up. However, after all I have been through (and I have been through alot), I refuse to see only the negative. I have to find some positive in every situation. There is always hope; hope that things will get better, hope our political situation will get better.......Whats left if you don't have hope? I don't watch Fox all day. I don't have time to watch alot of TV. However, NN, I do try to keep up with what is going on in the world. I am not just obsessed with Ms Holloway. You would be surprised at what I have dealt with on a daily basis. Fox Watcher

Posted by: fox watcher at August 08, 2005 09:43 PM (MrUCT)

863 Heck yes, I remember what I read (and watched) when I was 3. Particular vivid was a investigative special about a young kid who was found hanged in the front of his yard that I saw a loooong time ago, I really think i was three or four. This case has haunted me for so many years, especially cause I never got to see if it was solved or not, which made me wonder...is the killer still out there? Another was the murder of one of my neighbors by an ex-employee. This happened when I was about 5. I still remember everything...tears, anger, and wondering who did it. Very scary... Oh, and thanks for the compliment, fox watcher! I have to apologise for what I said before. I do get very worked up when I am in a edbate like this, and I tend to get a bit rude sometimes...sorry again!

Posted by: Carma at August 08, 2005 10:38 PM (HYu/D)

864 Im so fucking drunk right now.. everythings a blurrrr

Posted by: RiCe at August 08, 2005 10:44 PM (q9FjF)

865 As much as I would like to claim that I could read at age 1-that was not my post. Like Carma, I was reading at age 3. I now have more books than I know what to do with, and six bookcases that are double-stacked. Fox Watcher- Thanks for the compliments. I have considered becoming a part of the Big Brother/Big Sister campaign and will now look into it more seriously. It sounds like you have had good times as well as bad, but that you have taken the positive from both. Being a Social Worker is a wonderful calling, and hope is something that we all need to have.

I am painting my bathroom today, so I probably won't be on the internet most of the day. If any weird comments come up under my name it isn't going to be me. -Jennifer

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 09, 2005 06:28 AM (Qs29z)

866 Gee RDS, that's the second time in as many days I've been accused of arrogance--I'm developing a complex, oy vey!

I would like to suggest that compassion is an issue entirely seperate from personal responsibility and media over exposure. Why is it that it seems so difficult to discuss the latter two without having the first one brought up? Just a thought....

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at August 09, 2005 07:12 AM (Jgyse)

867 Jennifer~ I agree that Beth Halloway-Twitty needs to play nice with the investigators and everyone on the island. I agree she hasn't been letting them do their jobs the way that they need to. Again, not sticking up for her here, but can you even begin to imagine how frustrating it must be to have gone this long with no clues, no signs, no evidence, no NOTHING in over two months. She wants to help and get answers and not wait around for them to do their job. I can respect that, but, lol, going back to previous comments, the answer is not to take it out an Aruba. America and Beth need to let Aruba do their job and when they are done doing their job I just hope that there are some answers. I mean, this very well could have happened on the shores of America and their would not be this much media attention if there were still no answers. I think America just likes to point fingers to other parts of the world so that they can be blissfully ignorant of what goes on in the States everyday of the year. Imagine if you took America's best day, or heck, take Rhode Island's best day as far as crime goes and it would make Aruba look like paradise! Carma~ I wanted to address what you said before because I forgot to in my last post. Perhaps one of my biggest gripes about Beth Halloway-Twitty IS the fact that she doesn't take advantage of all the attention that this case is getting. Her case is beginning to be yesterday's news, we don't need to hash and rehash the same aspects of this case over and over again. Instead she should be using her time to look into, even the site that Jennifer said that she checked out, so that she can help those less fortunate mothers who do now have the oppertunity that she has been given. You are right, she is an incredibly selfish and vain person for not taking advantage of the gift that she has been given. She knows first hand now what it is like to go through this and still does nothing to help. Hopefully soon she will prove us all wrong, but her time is running out! RDS~ I detect a hint of sarcasm in your post or maybe I read it wrong.

Posted by: Alicia at August 09, 2005 07:31 AM (jpzCy)

868 Wow NN, you sure do like to dance around subjects. So I will say this, personal responsibility and the amount of media coverage seems to be what the majority of this post is all about. I have read your posts and understand your views. So I ask, why is it so difficult for people to see the bigger picture and realize that despite character flaws, and despite personal appearances or media coverage, this is still a case of a missing person and a mother wanting answers. No matter if it was this case or a local case of a child missing, I will always feel some of the pain that the particular family is going through and hope that it is never me in their shoes.

Posted by: Alicia at August 09, 2005 07:51 AM (jpzCy)

869 How am I dancing around the subject? The bigger picture? I would tend to think that the things you're talking about are so self evident they hardly warrant a mention. People aren't discussing it for the same reason they don't see the need to explain the concept of 'green' when they mention the color of the grass.We all know it's a shame about Natalee.We all can understand her mother's distressed. But to me it's more compelling to discuss the reasons for the over exposure and the refusal to admit that anything is ever anybody's fault. These attitudes affect our society far more than Natalee's disappearance, don't you think?

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at August 09, 2005 08:09 AM (Jgyse)

870 It is fine if you want to tell me to shut up...that is your opinion. As I said before I do think about this case a lot and I do feel for her family because I have had a similar situation in my life already. I am not saying that the media hasnt gone to far and I can agree with you there but I also know that if I were a parent the more media exposure the greater the chance that someone will recognize her and maybe come forward with more information. I just think that the people that write the terrible things need a reality check. If you are a girl and you go to a bar, are you telling me that you have never let a guy buy you a drink? I know I have. So does that mean I deserve to be murdered? What about all the times people have one night stands...does that mean they should die. I dont think so. For all we know she could have hung out with them previous nights with her friends and felt comfortable with them. So it may not have seemed like a big deal for them to give her a ride home or to stay out with them. Think about it.

Posted by: Keri at August 09, 2005 09:18 AM (ywZa8)

871 Keri- I'm taking time off from painting just for you, don't you feel lucky

The only guy I ever let buy me a drink was a guy in London whom I have known for five years now. I don't let strangers buy me drinks and I never leave my drinks unattended. And I would not call guys that I've only known for a night or two friends safe to leave with. My rule, like I've always said, is 'You go out together, you come home together'. It's a shame that these precautions have to be taken, but that is the nature of the world we live in. No one is saying that one night stands and risky behavior at drinking establishments are deserving of the death penalty. But these are risky behaviors that can put a person in dangers that could have been otherwise avoided. Always err on the side of caution- and if instinct tells you that something might be a bad idea, listen and obey. I really do hope that Natalee is found, alive or otherwise. But avoiding the path that she chose that night can help other teens and adults to avoid the same fate. It's not about blaming the victim, but it is about saying that these are unsafe behaviors.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 09, 2005 10:03 AM (Qs29z)

872 NN, I understand what you are saying. Sure, it certainly is more compelling to discuss the things you mention. It's a very good discussion to have in fact. I hope with as much media coverage as this is getting that it will effect the thoughts and actions of people who do as Natallee did that night. I hope they learn a valuable lesson from it. There are obviously consequences to every action that you take and living with and learning from these consequences is what shapes us into the people that we are. The reasoning behind the posts that I have made is because most of the times that someone came on here to express their opinion that in a round about way, was much like my own, they were laughed at and ridiculed to some extent or another. Although you may think that it is a topic that isn't "worth mentioning", it is VERY important for someone like me, a mother, to try to help those who are not parents stand on the other side of the fence so to speak. And now that I have done that I feel like I can move onto these other topics that you mention, which in my opinoin are very worthy of discussion. This was just something that I had to do first.

Posted by: Alicia at August 09, 2005 11:06 AM (jpzCy)

873 Howdy, Ya'll! Just got back from work, & gonna make this quick. Alicia, I wasn't being sarcastic. You're maturity & level-headedness are commendable. Guess that comes with being a mum

I for one am single, no kids, & obviously don't have the perspective that comes with being a parent. But, I'm in no rush to go down that road!!! Fox watcher - I didn't mean to offend you by assuming you were a man. I guess I was going by your name. I mean Fox is the channel of White Males, statistically speaking. Nixons, my love, r u Jewish??? Just curious

Posted by: RDS at August 09, 2005 06:00 PM (/b7gI)

874 Keri - I thought about what you said. Ya know what? I still think people who have one night stands & let other people buy them drinks are frikin STUPID. Do they deserve to die because of it? Anyone with a brain will say no. HOWEVER, they sure as heck are asking for a LOT of trouble. This isn't frikin 1850. We're not living in Disneyland. This is the REAL world. To put yourself as risk like that, after hearing all the stories (facts) on the news, radio, magazines, etc., etc., is JUST PLAIN STUPID. Frikin heck, come down to earth. Stop living in la la land. Not everyone you'll meet in life will have your best interests at heart. Just 'cus Natalee supposedly knew the suspects over the course of a few, measly days means that they are her bosom buddies??? How frikin STUPID is that? The whole problem is that some people are SO damn gullible & clueless. And, we're supposed to sit around feeling sorry for THEM? I'll save my pity for those starving millions in Niger.

Posted by: RDS at August 09, 2005 07:15 PM (/b7gI)

875 RDS, No offense taken. I found it to be amusing.

I didn't know FOX was considered a "white male" channel. But now that I know that fact, I think I understand some things better. Thanks for the info. Fox Watcher

Posted by: fox watcher at August 09, 2005 07:17 PM (MrUCT)

876 After what RDS told me about FOX being considered a "White Male" channel, I think I will change my name to TJM. The last thing I want to do is have my name inflame anyone. I didn't choose it to offend but since most of the information about Ms Holloway is on FOX, I just chose FOX Watcher. Nicole

Posted by: Nicole at August 09, 2005 07:32 PM (MrUCT)

877 TJM is my husband's initials. Then I decided to just use my name. Can't believe I didn't catch that before I posted it. Nicole

Posted by: Nicole at August 09, 2005 07:36 PM (MrUCT)

878 Hi, Nicole a.k.a Fox Watcher

Let me clarify something. Fox News stands apart from CNN, MSNBC, & the 3 main news networks (ABC, CBS, NBC) in that it takes a decidedly pro-Republican stance in its coverage & opinions. O'Riley, Hannity, Gibson, Cavuto, & the like can never be accused of being 'left-wingers'; although some or all of them maybe liberal regarding certain issues. Democrats lossed the White Male vote a long time ago. It's basically the party of women, minorities, & gays(!). Republicans, therefore, have the White Male vote. Thus, Fox News is the White Male channel. Pretty good, huh? Esp. for a non-American as myself;

Posted by: RDS at August 09, 2005 07:47 PM (/b7gI)

879 Several folks on this board have mentioned how sheltering children can be more harmful than good. It has been said that maybe if Natalee Holloway had not been so sheltered that perhaps she would be with her mom now. My question to you (all of you, parents, non parents, singles and married) what is the balance? How does a parent in this day and age protect children without completely stripping them of their innocence and childhood? I have a situation now in my own life with my own 2 children (girls ages 12 & 4) that worries me. Maybe you can help. I recently found out about two weeks ago that the man across the street from us is on our State Sexual Offender List. I found out quite by accident. I heard about the list and went to the web site, pulled up our County and saw what, at first, I thought was our address. A closer look and I realized it was the house across the street. I clicked on the name and there was his picture. He is out on probation living across the street from us. He was in jail for 2 years for "lewd and lasivious conduct with a child under the age of 16". Tomorrow, my 12 year old starts to school in the AM. We live in a rural area so she rides the bus. The bus stops at our home sometime between 6 and 6:30 AM. If I don't stand out there with her, then she has to stand out there alone. Sometimes in the winter, it is still dark at that time. My husband, who doesn't like to stand out there that early in the morning (especially if it is cold) tells me that I am being over protective and sheltering her by standing out there with her. After all, his parents never stood with him when he caught the bus. She is 12. This summer, she wanted to stay home by herself and talk to her friends on the phone, computer, sleep late, etc. I will not let her stay by herself. Again, I am accused of being overprotective and sheltering her. I have talked at length with her about such matters and she understands. She seems to understand. Then there is my 4 year old. She wants to go out and play. She wants to do what 4 year olds do outside. We have a fence around our yard so that she could play out doors. I just can not go out with her as much as she wants me too. Again, I hear, "let her play outside. Whats going to happen to her in our own yard? You worry too much." I have talked to my 4 year old about bad touching and strangers (people we don't know, people we do know, going off with someone, screaming if some one tries to take her, etc.). However, she is so trusting, I can't help but worry about how innocent she is. I talked to them both about the man across the street. I want to protect. Ho do I explain to a 4 year old and protect her without making her afraid of her own home. How can I help her understand to stay away from him because he has done bad things...., even though he is a neighbor and he lives right across the street. Whats the balance? How do I prepare my girls for that kind of ugliness in their own neigborhood? There has to be a balance. I have to somehow protect them and teach them to protect themselves. I don't want them to be "clueless" but, I don't want them to be afraid all of time. Yet, I agree with what many of you have said about being prepared for the "real world". What happened to Natalee is a parent's worst nightmare. Nicole

Posted by: Nicole at August 09, 2005 08:27 PM (MrUCT)

880 RDS, I am impressed

. Using the name Fox Watcher might give some folks the wrong impression. I think I will go by my own name. Nicole.

Posted by: Nicole at August 09, 2005 08:36 PM (MrUCT)

881 Thanks

What can I say? I'm a news junkie

I think, Nicole (Mrs. Fox!), that you're a great mum. By no means leave your daughter alone in the house. Why, she's only 12. And, with a sex offender in the neighborhood? Yikes!!! Of course, I'm sure myself & other like-minded posters don't expect parents to jeopadize their kids' safety in order to let them have a well-rounded experience. That's not the solution at all. However, once your kids are older, you & hubby could maybe accompany them for volunteer work or something? That's just a thought on my part. Something that's safe, character-building, & that will expose them to the realities of this world. Gotta turn in. As Donny & Marie said, G'night Everybody

Posted by: RDS at August 09, 2005 08:55 PM (/b7gI)

882 RDS, I would really appreciate it if you stop calling me love. It makes me uncomfortable.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 09, 2005 08:56 PM (9P3Og)

883 To Whom It May Concern, Oh man, this has been a hoot and a holler. Especially that Fart Calendar. Whoever mentioned the "first commandment" as being freedom of speech is very confused. You mean the first AMENDMENT. Jesus Christ. I have absolutely nothing to say. OF COURSE I DO! Anyone wanna place a bet on when Holloway will be found? Intelligence tells us December 7, 2005. I'm betting 500 billion paypal dollars. Don't ask how I know this, I know all. Of course we won't be aware of this when the empty skirts in major media silences after the cover-up is complete. Holloway has become all too disposable in the last week to her masters. She is now dead. How horrible. In other news, a chemical plant just exploded in Detroit; everyone within a mile is asked to remain in their homes. How exciting. P.S. Mark 16:11-13

Posted by: You Can Guess Who I Am - The Popular Konservative who spells with a K at August 10, 2005 03:25 AM (M7kiy)

884 Mark- I'm guessing you're just an illiterate nutcase? Just a guess.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 10, 2005 03:48 AM (Qs29z)

885 Nicole~ That is a tough situation to be in. I agree that a 12 year old, sex offender across the street or not, should not be left alone under any circumstances. I don't believe you are being OVERprotective or sheltering them in any way. When you have children it is your job to protect them in any way that you can. By talking to them about these things you are doing them a great service. We are their teachers and if we don't step up to the plate and do our job then they will never know what reality they have to face when they are older and it is time for them to go out on their own. Honesty is always the best solution I think. It's no longer realistic to think that children today can keep their sweet innocense for as long as children who lived in a different time were fortunate enough to have. If a situation, such as your own, presents itself then the best thing to do is explain it in a way that they will understand and do your best to protect them. I would be weary of them being outside alone. Seems you have a fenced in yard I would defitely let your 4 year old play out there alone as long as she stays within the fenced area while your not out there with her. As long as she knows and understands about strangers and how important it is to stay away then I am sure she will respect your talk and let you know immediately if someone approaches her. I know that if your like me you will check on her as much and as often as you can. Keep a window open, set up one of those childrens monitors that you can carry with you while shes out there. You get the picture. No one knows your children as well as you do and I am sure that you will make the right decisions when it comes to their safety.

Posted by: Alicia at August 10, 2005 09:44 AM (jpzCy)

886 Hi Honies! I'm home! I was just reading the last few posts, I think I've missed so much. I especially loved the post about me being drunk! I WISH! Someone mentioned something about leaving children alone so that they can become well rounded individuals.. or not .. or something.. I dunno about the rest of you - but I started playing field hockey when I was 13.. by the time i was 15.. i was travelling all over canada competing on the provincial (state) team.. and then later regional.. By the time i hit 17.. i was travelling overseas to countries like Thailand, Malayasia, Singapore, India, Scotland.. Not on my own of course.. but with my teammates, trainers and coaches.. we werent babysat 24-7.. in fact we only had to check in once for curfew.. and i never got kidnapped. Do i think its because i was raised with Street wit? I have no idea. I do know, i wasnt sheltered as a child. Really - my parents had only 1 rule - NO BOYS! Everything else was up to me. Maybe if Natalee's mom had said - NO BOYS! she would have never gone off to make merry with Van Der Sloot. I dont think i grew up too bad.. I graduated high school on the deans honour, have a post secondary's bachelors degree and am working on my Masters. No criminal record - IN FACT i only have 1 speeding ticket. And i can say, i was by far the least sheltered person I know. One summer, i even ran off to cleveland for a month! I know my momma didnt raise no angel! So anyways - here's my point - IF that BEAUTIFUL girl was as intelligent as everyone says she is.. and by the sounds of it shes a hell of a lot smarter than me.. and SOOO much more beautiful'(er?) .. How come im here posting and shes out ... being.. sharkfoodsexslavewhateverconspriacysatisfiesyourfancy ?

Posted by: RiCe at August 10, 2005 10:05 AM (q9FjF)

887 Well, I am back just for a moment. I have been keeping up with your posts and they are more interesting now. Nicole, I just want to say that I am with you 100% when you are talking about your girls. I have an 8 year old boy, 5 year old girl and a 1 year old boy. They are my life. I worry about them every second of every day. My daughter starts kindergarten tomorrow. I am worried. I have talked to them about strangers and to scream out if someone was to aproach them. I don't know how to protect them enough. It scares me to death. I don't know, but if I had a sex offender living directly accross the street from me I wouldn't think it would be a bad idea to let him know that you know who he is. Let him know that you are watching him. And most definately stay with her at the bus stop and tell your hubby that if anything were to ever happen to her that he would feel guilty as hell. I mean if she has to go freeze her ass off then what makes him better than her? He needs to help you in protecting your children. I grew up like Rice. I was raised in Saudi Arabia from the age of 7 in an American community. At high school age I went to the U.S. to go to school while my parents were still in Saudi. I traveled back and forth from the age of 14 and up by myself or with a couple friends who would be flying home too. I most definately wasn't sheltered. I feel like I have a good head on my shoulders. I feel like I have made some good decisions and some not so good. My point is that I feel that if we give our children some serious responsibility at a younger age it helps them to mature and make better decisions. Natalee's was not a better decision. I like what Jennifer said about "we go out together and we go home together". That is something that we have to instill in our children. She and her friends should have stuck together. I can only hope and pray that I am never in Beth's situation. But, you just never know. It only takes a second. One bad decision.

Posted by: Dawn at August 10, 2005 01:03 PM (Zbxyr)

888 To Can You guess who i am or whatever your name is, You're sick; I bet you think you're God, and you're pretending to be me, you sick sick person. Jennifer Cannon, His name's not Mark, he/she was referring to the book of Mark in the Bible.

Posted by: EnkryptedKonservative at August 10, 2005 02:59 PM (M7kiy)

889 Nixons - whatever you want, darling. To Nicole, Alicia, & Dawn - looks like you guys have got the mothering thing down pat. Good for you. I can tell you guys are totally committed to your kids. That's how every parent should be. Mine was, too. Bless her heart

And, I forgot to mention this before, but, remember Samantha Runion??? That little girl (only 5) was playing outside, & all it took was a matter of SECONDS for that sick F*** to kidnapp her. She was beaten, sexually assaulted, & killed. You can NEVER be TOO CAREFUL.

Posted by: RDS at August 10, 2005 04:49 PM (/b7gI)

890 You know, I've been skimming through all the Natalee H. postings, and I've got to ask... Did anyone stop to consider that maybe this girl did go out and hook up with VanDerSloot on the beach like they said? I mean, it's not really out of the realm of grasp, especially if you've ever been to Aruba. People have been known to meet strangers in this seemingly safe place, forge friendships, and yes, even hook up from time to time. It's a romantic place on the part of the island that is developed and touristy. Yes, the local areas have some shady places, but really, what place doesn't??? And half the island (the ocean side, rather than the Venezuala coast side) is completely undeveloped and full of coves that a local kid would know... Now add on top of that, she is (was) most likely a trusting girl (read: naive) from a relatively small town... Who's to say that she didn't drink WAAAY too much, go out and hook up on the beach with the kid somewhere, and wind up (not to be gross, but) choking on her own vomit somehow? So then VanDerSloot panics and runs to the old man for advice... It could have happened. And as for trolling for the body or bringing in dogs, if they dumped it on the right side of the island, it's way gone. Plus, there's that spot that they dump food in the water off the coast! Anyone that knows Aruba well knows that spot... Shark bait, man. Shark bait. Will we ever get a straight answer on what really happened? Who knows. And yes, I agree that if we pulled all the US tourists out of there, it would probably have a 'memory jogging' effect. But at the same time, do we REALLY need to go messing with US Foreign relations right about now? Regardles, I feel for her family and friends. No matter what has actually happened, it is a tragedy.

Posted by: PJM at August 10, 2005 07:28 PM (IpKl0)

891 RDS, I would really appreciate it if you only address me by "Nixon". Please stop talking to me like we're partners.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 10, 2005 07:31 PM (9P3Og)

892 'Partners'? How unromantic

Posted by: RDS at August 10, 2005 08:34 PM (/b7gI)

893 That's right, thank you.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 10, 2005 08:41 PM (9P3Og)

894 Very interesting posts: To Nicole-just tell your oldest what is going on. She is twelve and she needs to learn about all the sick people out there and protect herself from them. I don't see a problem with talking to her about the issue unless you havent had the talk with her. But I am sure you have... Anyways, I am only two years older than your daughter, and I am already knowledgable about most of this. I am not saying she needs to be as wary as I have grown, but you should be open with her while still keeping her in a safe, loving environment. This, I think, is the best position. PJM-The conspiracy theories are annoying. Go somewhere else where you can annoy the othe conspiracy geeks. RDS-the whole gay thing is really nasty. Honestly... I am not a homophobe, but the way you talk is so crude... Nixon-is that really you?

Posted by: Carma at August 10, 2005 08:45 PM (HYu/D)

895 Breaking news on CNM!!! The Kalpoe brothers admitted to having an ORGY with Natalee and Joran. They were very explicit with what happened. Sorry for my language but they said that while the Kalpoe are having intercourse (one anal, and one vaginal) at the same time, Joran was getting an oral. Apparently, Natalee choked on Joran's sperm when he had an orgasm in her mouth.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 10, 2005 08:51 PM (9P3Og)

896 Carma - what the heck r u talking about? I'm not gay!!! I'm female. If anyone's gay then it's people who join the navy.

Posted by: RDS at August 10, 2005 09:05 PM (/b7gI)

897 Well I had a fun day assembling furniture...I can only guess the impersonator in the post above has waaay too much time on his or her hands. I decree that they spend a long day tomorrow working with drills and screwdrivers.... So it is said, so it shall be. Night All, Jennifer

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 10, 2005 09:08 PM (Qs29z)

898 You're such a BIATCH, RDS.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 10, 2005 09:18 PM (9P3Og)

899 What's the deal with that breaking news, Jennifer? That's not true and that's nothing to make fun of. Please refrain for writing any more lies. There are kids reading this board.

Posted by: Carma at August 10, 2005 09:23 PM (9P3Og)

900 I prefer the term 'spunky'. G'night, sailor.

Posted by: RDS at August 10, 2005 09:33 PM (/b7gI)

901 The last wasn't mine. And sorry RDS, I didn't know you were a girl. My bad

Posted by: Carma at August 10, 2005 09:45 PM (HYu/D)

902 Alicia, Thanks for the suggestions and the understanding words. We stood waiting for the bus this AM and he walked out to the road to set his garbage out. It is just sickening to have to start the day knowing he is there. Normally, I would be pleasant and speak to a neighbor but we just looked the other way. RDS and Carma, thanks for your posts, too. RDS, at least NIXION's doesn't totally ignore you like he does me

. Dawn and RiCe, You both have lived very interesting lives. You have seen more in your lives than many people ever do in a whole life time. RiCe, Are you Canadian? I love Canada. I have never met a Canadian I didn't like.

Your right, it only takes one bad decision......and that is a message I want to get across to both my girls. (think, look around you, be aware and don't just move through life unaware and clueless). Nicole

Posted by: Nicole at August 11, 2005 07:03 AM (MrUCT)

903 Thanks, Nicole

About Nixons...who cares what Popeye does or thinks

Posted by: RDS at August 11, 2005 05:44 PM (/b7gI)

904 RDS, Maybeeee, all those beautiful women that he likes to be seen with? Of course he didn't say if they had a brain or not..........I'm guessing not. What do you think?

Posted by: Nicole at August 11, 2005 06:22 PM (MrUCT)

905 So RDS, if you are not gay are you a lesbian?

Posted by: Carma at August 11, 2005 08:23 PM (9P3Og)

906 That Greta women is doing another whole shoe on natalee again tonight. Does anybody know what that jug fellow does for a living.

Posted by: Tub O ' Lard at August 11, 2005 09:35 PM (MrUCT)

907 That Greta woman is doing another whole show on Natalee again tonight. Does anybody know what that Jug fellow does for a living.

Posted by: Tub O ' Lard at August 11, 2005 09:37 PM (MrUCT)

908 Not my post. I;m done guys. I'm loggin off for good. I can't stand the annoying impersonators, etc. I'll keep reading though! Bye-bye!

Posted by: Carma at August 11, 2005 09:58 PM (HYu/D)

909 Jennifer, I hope your furniture don't tear up when you sit on it. Did you follow the instructions? Was that your first time doing it? It probably took you the whole day to figure it out when it would only take 30 minutes for somebody like me to do it.

Posted by: EnkryptedKonservative at August 12, 2005 07:00 AM (9P3Og)

910 Yeah, who cares about the furniture?

Posted by: Nicole at August 12, 2005 07:05 AM (9P3Og)

911 Hey Jen, I did NOT write that about the furniture. Nicole

Posted by: Nicole at August 12, 2005 07:33 AM (MrUCT)

912 FYI, the beautiful women I see have brains and have a life. They don't spend 24 hrs, 7 days a week like you guys here on this board.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 12, 2005 11:00 AM (9P3Og)

913 RDS, it's ok to come out. If you are lesbian, I am too and I would love to hook up with you sometime. Drop me an email.

Posted by: PJM at August 12, 2005 11:54 AM (9P3Og)

914 LOL Nixon.... Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

Posted by: Alicia at August 12, 2005 12:00 PM (jpzCy)

915 Guys, what do you think about these 2 fugitives? COLUMBUS, Ohio (CNN) -- The married couple accused in a deadly Tennessee courthouse shootout told an Ohio judge Friday they would fight extradition on first-degree murder charges. Jennifer Forsyth Hyatte, 31, and George Hyatte, 34, appeared separately before a judge in Franklin County Common Pleas Court. George Hyatte, with hands tightly restrained, initially protested the process saying he did not want to fight extradition. "I'm not going through this every day," he told his lawyer. "I want to sign, your honor; I want to sign my extradition." After his attorney explained that his wife was fighting extradition, George Hyatte said, "I'm not going anywhere without her." Hyatte -- who has escaped from county jails twice before -- was serving a 35-year sentence in Tennessee for aggravated assault and aggravated robbery. Minutes earlier, Jennifer Hyatte, appeared before the same judge, sporting a black bob hairstyle and tight hand restraints. She did not show any sign of emotion and did not speak during the hearing. Her attorney requested that the Tennessee governor issue a warrant, which will delay the extradition process. The warrant issued by the governor would have to prove Jennifer Hyatte is the same person sought in the shooting death of a corrections officer in Kingston, Tennessee. The judge denied a request for bond. The couple will remain in Franklin County jail. The judge scheduled another hearing for September 8.

Posted by: Nicole at August 12, 2005 12:09 PM (9P3Og)

916 Are you related to them Nicole?

Posted by: Alicia at August 12, 2005 12:16 PM (9P3Og)

917 I did not post the above message. Who ever is posting under my name, please stop. It is not funny or cute. If you are going to post, then don't hide behind someone else's name. If you don't have the guts to own what you write, then don't write anything. The REAL Nicole

Posted by: Nicole at August 12, 2005 12:18 PM (MrUCT)

918 You must be out of your mind Alicia. Before you start accusing me of being related to the fugitives, make sure you have your facts straight, B***H!!

Posted by: Nicole at August 12, 2005 12:49 PM (9P3Og)

919 I assure everyone that if I post something it will not be to openly ridicule anyone here or make underlying comments to anyone. I do agree with you Nicole that if you can't own what you write then don't write anything at all.

Posted by: Alicia at August 12, 2005 12:50 PM (jpzCy)

920 You are the B***H!

Posted by: Alicia at August 12, 2005 01:08 PM (9P3Og)

921 Wow... you guys totally need to let the Aruba thing go. Look what just happened to the soldiers from Parma-Sevin Hills... My home town. And if you guys got your own website or whatever this is why dont you start posting your comments to more important people that just "news junkies" who gobble up anything they hear.News people are just saying stuffto put on to sound bad.. any reported can come up with a story and every reporter needs to get paid... Oh and I very much plan on going over to Iraq so will someone please find Jeffs Boskivoch video of being tortue so when I do go there next summer I have something to do for my home town.... thanks. \

Posted by: Bob at August 12, 2005 03:42 PM (6krEN)

922 Bob, I leave right near you in solon!

Posted by: CSS at August 12, 2005 05:05 PM (HYu/D)

923 Nixons - do I suspect that my man in uniform is getting a bit defensive? If you meet so many 'beautiful' women, how come you're still single? Do they think you're one of the Village People???

Posted by: RDS at August 12, 2005 05:59 PM (/b7gI)

924 RDS, I'm a playboy and I'm not desperate like you. And I don't date "PAPERBAG" girls.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 12, 2005 06:05 PM (9P3Og)

925 What is a "PAPERBAG" girl? Does it mean lesbian? I still want to hook up with you RDS. Drop me a line..

Posted by: PJM at August 12, 2005 06:13 PM (9P3Og)

926 Nixons, ya don't know what ya missing

And it WAS YOU who made those nasty comments... Shame, shame, shame. And, who you calling 'desperate'??? Doesn't war make people like yourself 'desperate'??? Don't military types usually f*** anything that moves??? No offense. I'm not condemning anyone. That's just the way it is, right...? And, if you're such a 'playboy', what ya doing always replying to my posts? Do ya take your laptop with ya on dates? You wild man, you

If you've got it going on, then why reply to me or anyone else who dares challenge your all-American magnificance? I really wish I could see ya, face-to-face, Lover Boy

Do you wear a little sailor hat? Will you let me try it on? PJM - Give it up, sweetie. Ain't gonna happen. I'm straight as an arrow. Good luck finding a mate. Nixons, if you reply to this, it'll only prove my point - that you're full of crap.

Posted by: RDS at August 12, 2005 07:28 PM (/b7gI)

927 Read my previous post PJM. A "PAPERBAG" girl is a girl that needs to have a paperbag over their face so their partner can enjoy what is below their neck. In other words, their face is so butt ugly that you have to cover them up inorder to enjoy their company. She admitted to it herself as shown on her previous post. "Their eyes are immedietly drawn to the area below my neck. And, that's no idle boast."(RDS) Need I say more? She is also from Pakistan and she won't admit to it because she is embarrassed of where she came from. And as you can see from her posts, she is desperately in need of a lover that she resorts to online dating because nobody would even come near her after they see her face.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 12, 2005 07:45 PM (9P3Og)

928 Uhhh!! Ewwww!!! Thanks for letting me know Nixon. You must look gross RDS, I'm not pursuing you anymore. And Nixon is right, you are the one who sound very desperate on your posts while he tried to avoid you and you still won't budge. How sad. You may need some help RDS. Go talk to a counselor or something.

Posted by: PJM at August 12, 2005 07:54 PM (9P3Og)

929 Ha, ha, ha!!! You guys crack me up!!! It's so fun to have people guessing wrong

PJM - aren't YOU the lesbian? Then YOU must be the butt ugly one, if women are your only option. Nixons - you're a fine little hypocrite, aren't you? Didn't YOU accuse another poster not too long ago about resorting to petty insults when they couldn't come up with a rebuttals to challenges posed??? And you're doing the SAME thing now. You had us all going there for a second, Mr. high-&-mighty, know-it-all, I'm-above-feeling-anything submarine guy. For all we know, you could be just a gigolo servicing those pretty boy sailors over in Japan. And, for the millionth time, I'm NOT from Pakistan. I thought you already knew that. And, even if I was, what's it to you? Afraid I might come over there & bomb your little submarine? YOU can boast about being a playboy, but I can't rave about my boobs? They're just the icing on the cake, by the way. You're like every other guy, Nixons. You can dish it out, but you can NEVER TAKE IT. A total BABY. And, how come you're still online replying to my posts??? Shouldn't you be banging some base whore right about now? (Hope you're using proper protection.) Men (and, I'm really giving you the benefit of the doubt on THAT one, Nixons) just can't handle sexually aggresive women, can they? It makes them feel less 'manly', doesn't it? If a guy resorts to sexual innuendo, he's just being a PLAYA. If a girl does it, then she's 'desperate'??? I love the way you eggs fall for everything I say. Think you have me figured out, huh? I'm having such fun. I live right next to NYC. So, don't worry about me. I get plenty action.

Posted by: RDS at August 12, 2005 08:45 PM (/b7gI)

930 RDS, Do you really live close to NYC? Is that really you or someone saying there you?

Posted by: Nicole at August 12, 2005 10:05 PM (MrUCT)

931 It's me alright

I live in the Garden State. G'night, ya'll

Posted by: RDS at August 12, 2005 11:01 PM (/b7gI)

932 RDS - i really hope you dont think its been The Real Nix Shady posting the above.. I guess you forgot about our little friend.. whose doing his level best to get Nixons to acknowledge his petty existence. And if you do think its Nixons - you really dont know Nixons. And no offense.. but these boards are getting incredibly lame. Whoever asked if i was Canadian - Yes Indeedy.. forgive me for being cranky.. My brown ass got dumped the other night. Im gonna go drown my worries in a bottle. Later

Posted by: RiCe at August 12, 2005 11:20 PM (eOsxO)

933 PQM, RDS must be so dumb because she thinks I'm answering her posts. Everybody, look at my previous post to see if it's answering RDS's post. RDS is a dumbasss.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 13, 2005 04:26 AM (9P3Og)

934 RiCE, That is just it! You said it! We don't really KNOW NN. We ALL WANT TO KNOW NIXON'S NINJA but he won't share

Posted by: Nicole at August 13, 2005 04:49 AM (MrUCT)

935 Hey RDS, or should I say PAPERBAG girl, give it up! If you're really a Pakistani, then say so and it will be over with. You don't have to be afraid of your own race just because a lot of Pakistani are terrorists. Also, PAPERBAG, none of the last 2 posts by Nixons are answering your posts. He's answering PQM's posts so give it up trying to accuse him of answering your posts because he's not. You really are the one sounding desperate. He's the one who asked you to stop calling him all these names and you won't stop. So you pretty much started all of these because all he asked from you was to stop and you never did. HE DON'T WANT YOU, PAPERBAG, SO GIVE IT UP!! And so what if you have an ugly face, you still have friends, right? I mean not internet friends but friends that you hang out with. Nixon, I know you didn't start all these but quit being so mean to PAPERBAG, she already has to deal with her face in real life and I believe you're making it worse for her.

Posted by: Dawn at August 13, 2005 05:06 AM (9P3Og)

936 LOL.. nixons hasnt even been online in a few days. Believe it or not - he does have things to do. Which is more than i can say for this Ass that keeps posting under other peoples names. Id tell you to get bent - but honestly i think you're craving that kind of attn. Anyways.. who gives a fuck what race or how ugly anybody is.. the bottom line is.. we're all alive and well.. and thats what matters..

Posted by: RiCe at August 13, 2005 05:15 AM (q9FjF)

937 Rice, quit telling everybody that you know all that stuff about Nixon, you're not with him 24/7. And PAPERBAG, quit being so childish about your posts. When somebody says QUIT, then QUIT! What don't you understand about the word QUIT?

Posted by: Dawn at August 13, 2005 05:26 AM (9P3Og)

938 Hey PAPERBAG, do you know anything about this? KARACHI, Pakistan (AP) - A Pakistani judge on Saturday gave police four more days to question an Islamic militant accused of arranging an initial meeting between slain Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl and his kidnappers, a defense lawyer said. Judge Khushi Mohammed, however, asked police to again produce the suspect, Hashim Qadeer, before him in a Karachi court on Aug. 17, said defense lawyer Rai Bashir, who feared that his client could be killed by police in a fake shootout. Police captured Qadeer in the eastern city of Gujranwala on July 28, and officials later turned him over to Karachi police for questioning in connection with the kidnap-slaying of Pearl, who disappeared from Karachi on January 23, 2002. Pearl's execution and beheading was videotaped by his kidnappers, and his remains were found in May 2002 in a shallow grave on Karachi's outskirts. After Pearl's kidnapping, a court convicted four Islamic militants of killing the American journalist. Among them was Britain-born Ahmed Omar Sheikh, who was sentenced to death. Three others were sentenced to life terms. All have appealed. Some suspects are still at large. On Saturday, Bashir said that although police had arrested Qadeer in connection with Pearl's case, the man had not been charged in this case and that police were holding him for his alleged involvement in an other murder case. Pearl, 38, was chief of the Journal's South Asia bureau when he was kidnapped while researching a story on Islamic extremists.

Posted by: Proud to be an American at August 13, 2005 05:40 AM (9P3Og)

939 What ever happened to the two black guys that got murdered about the same time that Natalee went missing on Aruba. That happened on St,Thomas, US Virgin islands. Did the FBI solve that one. We do not see FOX or nancy Grace covering that one.

Posted by: George at August 13, 2005 09:18 AM (O2GDZ)

940 Who cares George?

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 13, 2005 09:29 AM (9P3Og)

941 Wow! I just got back from an extended stay away from home, & just now got back online. Whose being posting under my name??? How lame. The same psycho has being giving the impression that I'm from Pakistan. Nixons guessed where I was from a while back. Good for him

Plus, I've got no beef with him or anybody else. Whose this lame nut going around hijacking people's names?

Posted by: RDS at August 13, 2005 10:14 AM (/b7gI)

942 It's you, PAPERBAG!!!! Quit trying to be so innocent, it's not working. You're acting like you haven't been online for awhile but in fact the last time you were here was last night! SO PLEASE, PAPERBAG, DON'T ACT LIKE YOU'RE INNOCENT!!!

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 13, 2005 10:21 AM (9P3Og)

943 Ha! Ha! Ha! I love that name

Posted by: RDS at August 13, 2005 11:49 AM (/b7gI)

944 PAPERBAG, you are a disgrace to the human race!

Posted by: Proud to be an American at August 13, 2005 12:02 PM (9P3Og)

945 I see we got a new name for RDS. I wonder how is she dealing with your face these days? Do you know, Dawn?

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 13, 2005 12:25 PM (9P3Og)

946 I see we got a new name for RDS. I wonder how is she dealing with her face these days? Do you know, Dawn?

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 13, 2005 12:25 PM (9P3Og)

947 I LOVE IT! Heading into the city now. Shall see ya'll later. Nixons, why don't you stop by during Fleet Week? Would love to show you around town

Posted by: RDS at August 13, 2005 12:36 PM (/b7gI)

948 No way PAPERBAG, I don't want to be seen with you.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 13, 2005 12:41 PM (9P3Og)

949 RDS, do you know anything about this? COLOMBO, Sri Lanka (CNN) -- The assassination of Sri Lanka's foreign minister is a "grave setback to the peace process," a government spokesman said, adding it was "difficult to accept" a denial by Tamil Tiger rebels that they were responsible. The government declared a state of emergency Saturday, hours after Lakshman Kadirgamar was killed outside his home by sniper fire late Friday night. Police launched a massive manhunt for the killers, sealing off the capital Colombo and conducting house-to-house searches. President Chandrika Kumaratunga issued a statement appealing for calm and restraint and said the government would not be cowed by acts of violence. Although she stopped short of blaming any person or group, Kumaratunga said authorities would spare no effort to bring those responsible to justice. The Liberation Tamil Tigers of Eelam (LTTE) were immediately suspected in the shooting, but a statement on a pro-rebel Web site denied the group was involved and said the Sri Lankan government should "look inwards" for the assassins. Government spokesman Nimal Siripala Desilva called the killing "a grave setback to the peace process" and said it was a "violation on top of many others" of a cease-fire agreement between the government and rebels. Desilva, who is also the country's health minister, reiterated that "initial indicators are that the LTTE is responsible" and said the "LTTE denial is difficult to accept." Jayantha Dhanapala, head of the government body handling the peace process, also called the killing a grave setback and said that "restarting (the peace process) will be seriously undermined," The Associated Press reported. In the rebel statement, the political head of the Tamil Tigers, S.P. Thamilchelvan, condemned officials for "hastily" blaming the rebels, citing a "growing trend in the South to blame the Liberation Tigers for all killings." "We also know that there are sections within the Sri Lankan armed forces operating with a hidden agenda to sabotage the (cease-fire agreement)," he said, urging Colombo to conduct a thorough investigation to identify the assassins. Kadirgamar was killed about 11 p.m. Friday (1 p.m. ET) just after he returned to his home for a swim after attending a function for the release of a book he edited, police said. As he walked toward his house from the pool, three shots were fired, striking Kadirgamar in the head and chest. A military spokesman told CNN said Kadirgamar's death had the hallmarks of a rebel assassination. Earlier this month, two LTTE members were arrested outside Kadirgamar's official residence after allegedly conducting surveillance and videotaping the area. Police said Kadirgamar's movements had been followed from the bathroom of an abandoned neighboring home. Police found the tripod used in the shooting inside the home, military and police sources added. They said the snipers appeared to have been in the home for several days, monitoring the foreign minister's comings and goings. Military sources said there had been repeated intelligence warnings about Kadirgamar's life being in danger, including one issued just last week. His security detail is the second largest in the nation, behind only the president's contingent. An investigation was under way into how the assassination could have happened, given Kadirgamar's security detail. A senior security officer told CNN there had been a security lapse but would not elaborate. A state funeral for Kadirgamar is scheduled for Monday in Colombo's Independence Square. Kadirgamar, 73, had successfully campaigned for countries, including the United States and Britain, to recognize the LTTE as a terrorist organization. Although he vehemently opposed negotiations with the group at one point, he participated in recent peace talks. He continued to oppose a number of key issues, however, including a separate Tamil homeland. He was considered a close adviser to Kumaratunga. He was rushed to the National Hospital in Colombo for emergency surgery but died an hour later, according to hospital and police sources. The assassination is bound to further strain the shaky cease-fire agreement between Sri Lanka's government and the Tamil Tiger rebels. The truce, in place since February 2002, has been threatened by recent violence and the suspension of talks in 2003. World leaders, including U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, were quick to condemn the killing. "Sri Lanka has lost a deeply respected statesman dedicated to peace and national unity," Annan's spokesman said in a statement. "The secretary-general hopes that this tragedy will not weaken the commitment of the people of Sri Lanka to achieve a durable peace in the country." U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice called Kadirgamar "a man of dignity, honor and integrity, who devoted his life to bringing peace to Sri Lanka." "This senseless murder was a vicious act of terror, which the United States strongly condemns. Those responsible must be brought to justice," she said in a written statement. Sri Lanka's ambassador to the United Nations, Bernard Goonetilleke, said, "His contribution (to Sri Lanka) was immense."

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 13, 2005 01:27 PM (9P3Og)

950 You're absolutely right, Rice-sometimes I do have to wander off and attend to other matters

In fact, the last real post I made was on the morning of August 9th and had to do with the tragedy of this case being self evident. Teach ME to turn my back on this place for too long! Is it possible that this board has finally died and I'm currently presiding over a lifeless corpse? You just wait until Natalee turns up on the news again; you're all going to come swarming back like piranahs at an all-you-can-eat Mongolian BBQ. However, I am an even tempered man not given to vindictiveness or emotional outbursts, so when the inevitable comes to pass I shall be big enough to avoid saying I told you so.Until that happy day I'll be reduced to contenting myself with jeering at the pathetic spectacle provided by the Raging Grannies. (The alternate name,Aging Hippies, was rejected as being entirely too bourgeois.)Additionally, I shall draw back the shroud of mystery I wear just far enough to reveal that I am not, in fact, Jewish.

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at August 14, 2005 01:13 PM (Fw51s)

951 You are such an A** Nixons

Posted by: RDS at August 14, 2005 02:58 PM (9P3Og)

952 RDS, I will be at Rudgers for a work shop in the Spring. My family and I will be staying with a friend in Elizabeth and taking the train into NYC & Brooklyn. Do you have any favorite non tourist restaurants that you want to suggest? Have you seen the Blue Men on Broadway? Thats probably a little juevenile for you. What have you seen that you would recommend? Any suggestions for entertaining 2 kids in your area? Nicole

Posted by: Nicole at August 14, 2005 03:34 PM (MrUCT)

953 Nicole, it's good to know that you are coming down here. There are so many places here to go and so many things to do. But I would highly recommend CityScape in Queens. If you happen to go to Manhattan, Foxes is the place to go. Anyway, here is a few more places that I would suggest you go with your kids: Legz Diamond's - Midtown Manhattan Paradise Club - West 33rd Street Vibrations - College Point Vixen - Queens Wiggles - Rego Park Wild Wild West - Brooklyn I hope you enjoy!

Posted by: RDS at August 14, 2005 03:57 PM (9P3Og)

954 What ever.

Posted by: Nicole at August 14, 2005 04:58 PM (MrUCT)

955 It's amazing how there are all these posts from me when I haven't actually posted for a few days now...imitation might be the sincerest form of flattery but someone is going overboard.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at August 15, 2005 06:11 AM (wcZfn)

956 everyone join Mootstormfront.org so that we can counter hate and racism!

Posted by: Peetsie at August 15, 2005 04:06 PM (HYu/D)

957 All I can say is IT WASN'T ME.

Posted by: RDS at August 15, 2005 07:13 PM (dGllY)

958 you guys are suck. You not even talk about anymore the real topic.

Posted by: bubu at August 18, 2005 09:21 PM (kEMDH)

959 It appears the real topic has died, Bubu

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at August 19, 2005 08:33 AM (Npdco)

960 all i can say is that i have succeeded again to annoy everyone about the fake posts that people got tired of posting anything!! haha!! who's talking now Nixon? how about telling them to ignore me! they ignored you instead!!! hahahahahahaha!!!! success!! that was for your ass nixon!

Posted by: Proud to be an American at August 19, 2005 01:00 PM (9P3Og)

961 FUCK YOU, PTBA. Your mama is the biggest PAPERBAG of them all. I belive your daddy had to get himself stoned in order to impregnate her. Plus, you did us all a favor. The topic of Holloway's disappearance has being totally exhausted. So, go back to the fucking hole you crawled out of.

Posted by: RDS at August 19, 2005 09:26 PM (dGllY)

962 Got you PAPERBAG!!! HA!!!

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at August 19, 2005 09:48 PM (9P3Og)

963 Since the Halloway disappearance case has totally exhausted, why don't we talk about this below: Tell me what you guys think.. COLOMBO, Sri Lanka (AP) - Sri Lanka's government and Tamil Tiger rebels agreed Friday to meet in coming weeks to review a cease-fire that has been threatened by a rash of killings, including the assassination of the foreign minister. The meetings will be the first formal sessions between the sides in more than two years. Peace negotiations remain stalled, and the prospects for reviving them as uncertain after the Aug. 12 assassination of Foreign Minister Lakshman Kadirgamar by suspected rebels. Norwegian Deputy Foreign Minister Vidar Helgesen said Friday the government and Liberation Tigers of Tamileelam had agreed to hold the talks in the coming weeks. The exact timing and venue were still being worked out. (AP) Young Sri Lankan Buddhist monks arrive at a temple for a religious ceremony on full moon day in... Full Image "We have gone from very dire prospects to promising prospects in a very short time," he told The Associated Press in Oslo, Norway. "We made it clear that it was a very critical situation and that positive steps needed to be taken," Helgesen said, adding that the need to review the 3-year-old cease-fire "became more acute because of the killings and counter-killings in recent months." A Tiger spokesman confirmed the group had agreed to the talks, and a pro-Tiger Web site said they would take place in Oslo. The Tigers began fighting in 1983 for a separate homeland for ethnic Tamils, claiming discrimination by the majority Sinhalese. The conflict killed nearly 65,000 people before the Norway-brokered cease-fire was signed in February 2002. While the truce has generally held on this island nation of 19 million, including 3.2 million Tamils, peace talks have stalled over rebel demands for greater autonomy in the areas they control in the north and east. The rebels also want the government to disarm paramilitary groups they claim attack them as they pass through government-controlled territory in accordance with the cease-fire agreement. The government denies supporting the paramilitaries. In recent months, scores of people have been killed, some in skirmishes along the border between government and rebel territory, while others were killed in what were presumed to be political assassinations. The Aug. 12 killing of Kadirgamar by a suspected rebel sniper further heightened tensions. Within hours, President Chandrika Kumaratunga imposed a state of emergency and sent the army to hunt for suspects. But she pledged to respect the cease-fire. Parliament on Thursday extended the emergency powers for a month, and Kumaratunga said she wanted to hold direct talks with rebels in an effort to end the spate of political killings. The chief of the European team monitoring the cease-fire, Hagrup Haukland, called the news of talks "a positive sign." But he expressed dismay that the "discussions have nothing to do with the resumption of peace talks." Haukland said while he did not expect a major overhaul of the cease-fire agreement at the talks, he hoped both sides would agree to greater cooperation and allowing monitors more freedom of movement. Jehan Perera, an analyst at the National Peace Council, an independent think tank, said the international community's condemnation of the foreign minister's killing may have prompted the Tigers to change their position. "It is very good news under the circumstances," Perera said. "After the assassination, one could have anticipated a rapid downward plunge, even into war."

Posted by: RDS at August 20, 2005 07:04 AM (9P3Og)

964 Fuck the Tigers. And fuck PTBA.

Posted by: RDS at August 20, 2005 02:22 PM (dGllY)

965 For those with children. Sex offenders have their rent paid by taxpayers, therefore the effort to have to go out and get a job is deflated. They have more time to continue to harm society, please watch your children and as posted by those above: it does only take a few seconds and you should tell your older chidlren the situation (ie. sex offender is a neighbor). Lines such as "Will you help me find my lost puppy?" and such are used on children by these offenders and even though you have taught them not to talk with strangers, do not let people touch you here, etc. children forget that quickly when asked to help in finding a puppy, kitten. There was a 7 year old girl playing in her fenced-in front yard with her older sister (14) and a man asked her to help him find his lost puppy. She said okay and got in his car. When the 14 year old noticed this--she ran after the car and was not able to draw the attention needed to stop him from driving off with her sister. Unfortunately the girl was found dead. This happened in Oakland, California. Please note that sex offenders, child molesters and the sort should never be able to live in civil society again for the mass majority offend multiple times. They are normally released after a few years, receive absolutely zilch rehabiltation and are cared for by taxpayers when they are released. Please also be aware of your surroundings and in control of your senses for acquaintances, friends and family are many times (not all times) the criminal.

Posted by: z at August 20, 2005 08:01 PM (koIwF)

966 While the original debate has certainly been exhausted I find the abrupt stop in coverage fascinating. In fact, now that the media no longer cares I find this case to be more compelling than it everw as in it's heyday on Fox. It's almost as if there's been a gag order. And it wasn't in any way gradual; it was as though somebody had thrown a switch on a toaster oven and all the heat automatically disappeared. Maybe konspiracy really had something and the Illumanati Overlords decreed that the media hacks cease and desist.

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at August 21, 2005 01:07 AM (goEPa)

967 The U.S.A. news coverage is a glossy poster that focuses on 5 issues at a time and then the sports. Please check into abroad news stations for a proper update on the "World", and even then it's not enough, but certainly is news compared to our soaps here. The pregnant woman missing from Philadelphia was found murdered by her boyfriend. It was postings like this and privately raised money for the reward that helped. Natalee Hollway still gets a window of news here and there, (Larry King on Thursday night when her mother was interviewed and an Uncle), but once the story is exhausted beyond the "interest" of the American public they cut it and move on to the next piece of interest. Some of our national newspapers are still newsworthy, but not the television news broadcasting service. It is based on the majority of the American Public's interest and giving 30 second clips and then some news that is drawn out until the interest drops. There were postings expressing the senseless chit chat by Natalee's friends about her missing. There is absolute question in the roommates and the adult supervisors that did not notice her missing until the airport! That is a whole mystery and worthy of an examination of where their emotions and minds are: is it an element of environment or genes or a little of both? Checking out a group of seniors takes an hour or so....what was going on? Was everyone so hung over until the airport?

Posted by: z at August 21, 2005 10:54 AM (koIwF)

968 Bravo, Z. That's the first post in quite a while that's made good,intelligent sense. America never 'cared' about Natalee. The only ones who really do are her actual family; mum, dad, step-parents, etc. And, we always come back to those dumbass friends of hers, & those 'chaperones'. Why the heck weren't they held more accountable??????

Posted by: RDS at August 21, 2005 05:48 PM (dGllY)

969 The whole case is a joke. That indecent excuse for a woman deserved what she got, and I am not the least bit sympathetic to her family or her. Her mother is an annoying, racist, self-centered bitch and I wold be glad if she was shot.

Posted by: Chacha at August 21, 2005 07:32 PM (8OFbs)

970 Quite frankly, Natalee got what she wanted before what ever happened to her. She had a sopping wet pussy that needed to be fucked badly and was probably on drugs also. The two black guys fucked her hard and the dutch guy shot load after load into her mouth and she choked............. dID SHE DESERVE THAT , HELL NO, SHE NEEDED TO GO BACK TO BAMA WHERE SHE COULD HAVE FUCKED MORE BLACKS AND MADE A VIDEO OF IT

Posted by: judy at August 22, 2005 07:11 AM (xND1a)

971 But RDS, how to demand more accountability? Dumbasses they certainly are, but that's not against the law just yet

If it were half the posts on this board could be submitted as damning evidence!

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at August 22, 2005 08:35 AM (Npdco)

972 NN - I'm glad we're back to conversing in a civil manner. I assure you that most of the previous posts attributed to me were the work of that F****** LOSER. Judy - Good Grief!!! You don't have to be SO DISGUSTING. Sure, Natalee wasn't very smart in her choices that night, but still...you don't have to be SO VILE. I guess those DUMBASS 'friends' & 'chaperones' will never be held duly accountable for their indifference & STUPIDITY.

Posted by: RDS at August 22, 2005 06:14 PM (/b7gI)

973 I read about, i think by Nixons, that the coverage has come to a screeching halt. You wanna know why? Cuz Natalees Mom and step dad are running out of money. Thats why. She can no longer buy media attn. In fact, there will be an auction and celebrities such as Courtney Cox, Madonna and Brad Pitt of donated to the cause. .. Money well spent.. you hollywood douche bags.

Posted by: RiCe at August 23, 2005 03:04 AM (q9FjF)

974 what the hell is so difficult about this case? Everyone keeps saying this "innocent" girl did not "deserve" to die. The girl was a straight-up ho and got fucked to death. Nobody should die but if you die while getting gangbanged and being a complete dumbass, the sympathy level definitely drops and you probably "deserved" to die. I feel sympathy for people getting hit by cars or in airplane accidents. I feel sympathy from virgin girls walking down the street and getting kidnapped. i dont feel sympathy for hos that were drunk and looking to get fucked. Does anyone feel sympathy for people that get drunk, go hunting, and shoot themselves? Some of you need to prioritize who deserves sympathy. It aint always the white blonde redneck prom queen slut. And from reading a lot of the posts, thankfully there is a lot of agreement.

Posted by: isaac at August 23, 2005 04:27 AM (MmTcy)

975 Isacc, Last I knew they had no idea what happened to Natalee and no idea what events transpired that night. I'm just so sick of people who think they know everything that come up with the gang-bangin' ho conclusion. It's just becoming way to repetitive.

Posted by: Alicia at August 23, 2005 07:06 AM (jpzCy)

976 Help me out: theopinionmachine.blogspot.com I need more bloggers...email meh if you are a conservative, socialist, communist (Ive got an open mind)

Posted by: Chacha at August 23, 2005 05:12 PM (hKK+H)

977 wrong link: opinionmachine.blogspot.com you might recognize me from another name

Posted by: chacha at August 24, 2005 04:48 PM (hKK+H)

978 Please put the Name "ICE" in your cell phone with a phone number of the person you would like to have reached in case of an emergency. Emergency teams will be able to contact someone for you, if you are not able to do so yourself. Many people have the Name "ME" in their cell phone for the emergency contact--please change it to "ICE". This has been embraced by London and now is being embraced in the U.S.A. by emergency personnel. Be safe.

Posted by: z at August 24, 2005 08:09 PM (koIwF)

979 Sheila(aka Chacha)-I am trying to post on your blog and it only allows 300 characters. It is not enough for a persons response. Here is my response on the Pat Robertson's issue: First of all, if an extremist said what Pat Robertson said the U.S. government would be working to have them arrested and charged as a terrorist. So with that, Pat Robertson should be arrested for being a terrorist. Extreme groups are a threat and when a leader pushes murder they are held accountable 100%. Its time for the U.S. to truly protect itself and others from the threat of extremists, such as Pat Robertson. Pat Robertson should be facing criminal terroist charges and held without bail, until further examination of his extreme terrorists comments.

Posted by: z at August 24, 2005 08:25 PM (koIwF)

980 Sorry about the word limit, I will try to change it. Comment as two posts

Posted by: Chacha at August 24, 2005 09:03 PM (hKK+H)

981 Shouldn't be a word limit, dunno whats wrong...just try again I suppose!

Posted by: Chacha at August 24, 2005 09:05 PM (hKK+H)

982 Joran is finally free! This is wonderful news, perhaps he can attend University and get on with his life. I feel very sorry for his parents as they have been hounded by the media. I believe this case to be a "missing persons case, nothing more or less. Joran and the Kalpoes deserve to live their lives, attend school, work have families etc..Maybe the parents of Natalee should hold the chaperones responsible for Natalees disappearance? What were they doing? Partying as well? Her mother should return to the states and focus on her remaining children. What about them? I suspect their lives have been turned upside down and they need their mother at home. Her being on that island isn't going to bring her home wherever she is she'll come home on her own or if shes deceased never. I think now that the three young men are released Natalees mothers presence will make the Arubans feel irritated. She really needs to return to the states, it is so obvious Natalee IS NOT ON THE ISLAND. My God they have searched everywhere using the best equipment and people, if they cannot find her even after all of that she isn't there.,

Posted by: Who cares at September 04, 2005 03:26 AM (AwmUq)

983 so, joran and the two black guys get away with raping poor natallee and taking her cherry, not once but many times until she died of orgasm overdose.......hhhhmmm, i bet they spend the rest of their lives looking over their shoulders wondering when they will get it!!!!!!!!!!!! lol, they'll never see the ripple in the water!!!

Posted by: judy at September 07, 2005 02:06 PM (xND1a)

984 2 Black Guys? There were no "Black Guys" in this case, unless you mean the security guards, who were clearly innocent. If you're referring to the Kalpoe brothers.. they arent black.. How about you dont pollute this disaster further with you ignorance. kthxbye.

Posted by: RiCe at September 07, 2005 09:35 PM (q9FjF)

985 judy--you are disgusting. That comment was almost pornographic.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at September 09, 2005 10:07 AM (giSDS)

986 So, after a very long break, the old-timers are coming out of the woodwork to post their comments. I wonder what Nixons is upto...? Probably left the Navy & is now happily married with a wife & two babies in South Carolina or someplace

Getting back to Holloway, Judy, u r truely SICK. Have to give Natalee's mum due credit. She fought to the bitter end. This is such a huge mystery. What ever happened to this girl???? I've always believed that those 3 boys knew more than they were letting on. I still think the chaperones should be charged with negligence. They are the biggest culprits. LOSERS.

Posted by: RDS at September 12, 2005 05:40 PM (P8yUp)

987 Not just the chaperones. I also hold her friends responsible.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at September 13, 2005 02:09 PM (giSDS)

988 the two last comment was the best

Posted by: 121233123 at September 13, 2005 07:36 PM (kEMDH)

989 Does anyone but me think Natalee was taken to another island--and buried there? Probably transported dead.

Posted by: Lois at September 13, 2005 10:56 PM (6mUkl)

990 I don't really like to speculate.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at September 14, 2005 06:45 AM (giSDS)

991 She could have being sold into the sex-slave trade, killed (in Aruba) & taken to another island (or country) for buriel, or killed (in Aruba) & thrown in the ocean, to be lost forever. I always thought dead bodies washed ashore eventually. Maybe they did something to her body to make sure that it sank

One of America's (& Aruba's) biggest unsolved mysteries.

Posted by: RDS at September 14, 2005 05:57 PM (P8yUp)

992 Yes So many things could happened on the Island, but the thrue is out there. The killer will be hunted by the feeling in his whole life. A serious question and problem.He will talk sooner or later.

Posted by: 121233123 at September 15, 2005 07:32 PM (kEMDH)

993 I shouldn't count on that. Do you know how many unsolved cases there are throughout history?

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at September 16, 2005 06:47 AM (giSDS)

994 Yes Unsolved mysteries are but not all of them made by a mentally ill person. The 3-suspected person if you look at them closely have same gene different. The Wondersloot boy has a very funny looking head and a brutal aggressive appearance. The other two looks like always searching for something with that empty look on their face. If somebody will follow their movement they will talk. The human mind is not designed for those stress kind of things. Just see the BTK killer.

Posted by: 121233123 at September 16, 2005 08:08 AM (kEMDH)

995 I think that you read too much true crime stories and watch way too much television. You are not a forensic pathologist or a psychologist. Stop fantasizing and learn to live in the real world.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at September 16, 2005 10:00 AM (giSDS)

996 Eloquent as ever, Jennifer

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at September 19, 2005 05:19 AM (EzFV1)

997 Nixons, you're back!!! I've missed your witty, insightful comments

Still stuck on the submarine? Now that Natalee's mum has given up, & hurricane Katrina has replaced the Aruba coverage, I guess there's nothing for us to talk about, huh?

Posted by: RDS at September 19, 2005 06:53 PM (P8yUp)

998 Oh, I don't know...we could mock and jeer at the Lefties trying to milk Katrina for cheap political points. Ya wanna?

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at September 20, 2005 06:25 AM (EzFV1)

999 Yes, I wanna

I'm not a lefy by any stretch of the imagination, BUT it's not unfair to question the Bush administration's lack-luster response to the disaster. If you can put a man on the moon, spend $200 billion on a war, & have the world's most tech-savvy military, then why in the world can't you help people in your own backyard???? Shame on the federal government. They only care about people like themselves. White, Rich, Conservative folk who would blame the poor for being poor. At least Democrats have a social conscience. Sucks to them

I consider myself a moderate liberal, by the way

Posted by: RDS at September 20, 2005 05:09 PM (P8yUp)

1000 Your partisanship is so breathtaking that I really don't know where to begin

So the Fed only wants to help people like themselves--Fat cat white honkeys lighting Cuban cigars from smoldering 100 dollar bills in the backseat of their Bentleys.Screw those poor black folks! comes the cry. Someone get on the phone right away to inform Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell and all the other minorities that Bush has appointed to his Cabinet--more minorities appointed than any other President, even our nation's first black President, Clinton! (Beelzebubba made that claim, not me.) It is the local government's responsibility to be the first line to respond to a local disaster.Read that line again--it is the LOCAL GOVERNMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY to be the first to respond to a local disaster. The local gov't. (all Democrat, he pointed out quietly as an aside) failed so breathtakingly and relentlessly that it boggles the mind. Have you seen the photos of the hundreds of buses sitting flooded in that vast parking lot? They could have gotten thousands of poor people out of the city--why weren't they used by these shining examples of Social Conscience? Are they malicious or just so incompetent a Boy Scout with a Swiss Army knife could have overseen a better executed evacuation plan? Hundreds of buses sitting in water up to their windows while Nagin and his Leftie jackals beat feet for higher ground--they sure do care about them there po' folks! Why did Bush have to plead with them to evacuate the city in the first place? How is it the federal government's fault if locally elected leaders (all Democrats, he pointed out again) failed their constituents so miserably? In 1993(was it 93?) it took Federal aid 6 days to respond to hurricane Andrew; the response time to Katrina was 3 days. Again, why is everyone so eager to villify the Bush administration? Well, I'm glad you asked! The finger pointing and crocodile tears from the Left were all calculated to draw attention away from their own criminal negligence. Bush Hatred has now officially reached Paranoia level.If you want to start administering shame begin with Ray Nagin and that horrible Blanco person--they're the real architects of the disaster. I have my own beefs with this administration and am not prepared to defend every policy they set, but Katrina wasn't their fault.Finally, though this may come as a shock to many, white people also lived in New Orleans. But they don't matter. They're the last race it's still OK to discriminate against! So let's invite Louis Farrakhan over and bathe in the glow of our socially sanctioned racism, shall we? And if you disagree with that remark, answer me this--we have the Black Entertainment Channel on TV. What channel is the Whitey Variety Hour on again? What's that you say?!? There ISN'T one??? Let's call the NAAWP right away! You know, the National Association for the Advancement of White People? I'm sure they'd be interested to know.

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at September 21, 2005 06:46 AM (EzFV1)

1001 OK, OK!!! Whew, that was quite a tongue lashing, Nixons. You're not a fan of the Democrats, I can see!! Ok, I agree with the fact that the LOCAL GOVERNMENT (& state, too)share a major part of the blame. They were truely pathetic. However, I think that there was definitely a great deal of apathy & passiveness in the federal response too. If this happened in a place like D.C. or a rich part of Colorado or similar Republican-heavy place, we would have seen a totally different response. Once again, it's the American people & businesses that came to the aid of fellow-citizens. But, Bush is not going to get off easy in this. You're in the military. You must know that the war in Iraq is not going all that well, & there's no end in sight. It's going to be another frikin Vietnam for the American government. Bush should start praying to LBJ.

Posted by: RDS at September 21, 2005 06:51 PM (dGllY)

1002 OK, OK!!! Whew, that was quite a tongue lashing, Nixons. You're not a fan of the Democrats, I can see!! Ok, I agree with the fact that the LOCAL GOVERNMENT (& state, too)share a major part of the blame. They were truely pathetic. However, I think that there was definitely a great deal of apathy & passiveness in the federal response too. If this happened in a place like D.C. or a rich part of Colorado or similar Republican-heavy place, we would have seen a totally different response. Once again, it's the American people & businesses that came to the aid of fellow-citizens. But, Bush is not going to get off easy in this. You're in the military. You must know that the war in Iraq is not going all that well, & there's no end in sight. It's going to be another frikin Vietnam for the American government. Bush should start praying to LBJ. By the way, it's my b'day today. Wish me a good one

Posted by: RDS at September 21, 2005 06:53 PM (dGllY)

1003 Happy birthday, RDS

I got you this lovely Japanese vase which I'll just keep in storage for you until you get a chance to come round and pick it up

I apologize if you felt I was tongue lashing you personally. I am not, as you observe, a fan of democrats (at least not the Howard Dean/Barbra Striesand wing of the party, which holds the bulk of the influence within the ranks as far as I can see) by any stretch of the imagination. As for the war in Iraq, I don't think it's going as badly as you seem to believe. Saddam is deposed and they've had actual elections--I'd say that's a victory. Just because the country continues to attract screwball terrorists from under every rock in the Middle East doesn't mean no progress has been made.You are aware of the unspeakable tortures that went on under that regime, right? Fingers cut off, tongues cut out with razor blades, eyes gouged out,women stoned to death in the street, that sort of thing. See, that stuff no longer goes on--would you say that's a giant step in the right direction or no? In addition, comparing Iraq to Vietnam is pointless. Vietnam (a war begun by Democrats without the will to win, he pointed out in passing) was never about defeating anyone; it was intended to contain the domino effect of Communism in SE Asia. Had American soldiers marched into N. Vietnam, arrested the leaders of the Commie rebels and held open elections a few months later would anyone call Vietnam a failure or a quagmire? Of course not. You're right, I am in the military and so I get a chance to rub shoulders with people who've actually served there. The reaction of regular Joes coming out of Iraq is vastly different from what you hear in the mainstream media. Moonbats like Cindy Sheehan and her ilk spread an awful lot of propaganda, but that's 'news' for people who have already made up their minds that even if Bush walked on water and fed 5,000 beggars on loaves and Pop Rocks he is STILL a horrible, horrible little man. There's just no pleasing some folks

Finally, I'd just like to point out that the government's job shouldn't be to oversee every citizen from the cradle to the grave.The Fed should be responsible for a military defense, an adequate infrastructure and a secure border. (That last one is what makes Bush's administration woefully lacking, in my opinion.) It's not like the government is a Magic Pixie-dust Fairy who can solve all problems with a wave of it's wand. What BETTER way for Americans to take care of their own than by businesses and private citizens chipping in and extending a helping hand? This is the very essence of community, of brotherhood, of a cause held in common and serving to unify people across their petty lines of religious or social differences.Hell, it's the American Way! So...how WOULD the disaster been have been handled in a heavily Republican area? (Bear in mind that it is illegal for the Fed to intervene in a local catastrophe without a specific request from the state govenor.This is one of the States rights incorporated into law to protect us from despots.) Please provide me with concrete examples of disasters that effected only Republicans and which were handled in a superior fashion. Oh, and I sort of hesitate to mention this, but Louisiana was a 'red state', which means it was brimming with Republicans

In fact, the more rabid Bush haters suggested no aid should be given to New Orleans since they'd brought it on themselves by voting GOP.

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at September 22, 2005 04:42 AM (IgVqG)

1004 Where do I begin??? First, thanks for the wishes! And, for the vase

Too bad I can't come over to Japan & pick it up. I spent my b'day night in Manhattan with friends. That city really doesn't sleep... Anyways, getting back to our little debate, do you have to write an entire thesis whenever you respond??

You do express yourself very well, though. And, make your arguments in a logical, credible manner. You're making me self-conscious of my own writing prowess

I can tell you're an intelligent guy. If only I knew what you looked like... With regards to a point you made in the post before your last one, the federal govt should be held accountable too in this mess (as well as local & state) because New Orleans was 99% laid waste by Katrina. That made it a NATIONAL DISASTER since an entire city was destroyed. I mean, 9/11 was regarded a national disaster, even though it was mostly downtown Manhattan that was affected. Let's face it, racism & classism run rampant in America. I've no doubt it's a great nation. However, it aint' perfect. I've no idea what your socio-economic background is (I don't mean to offend you by making assumptions); but, this whole Iraq war (& wars previous) have mainly being fought by the joes from rural, middle America. You won't see the elites in the country enlisting. Not Bush's own kids. Or, even Howard Dean's, your good pal

That's what pisses me off so bad. Don't make fun or just dismiss Cindy Sheehan. She has every right to protest/question the prez's policies. She's made the ultimate sacrifice as a result - Lost her child. You don't have kids, right? So, you have no idea what that would feel like. Ok, I'm gonna try to respond to your points sequentially. With regards to: Saddam's dismissal - Yes, I agree, it's a GOOD thing. Evil has being vanquished. HOWEVER, if that's the gold standard for starting wars, then Uncle Sam should be charging into North Korea, Iran, Libya, Sudan, SAUDI ARABIA (the biggest terrorists/terrorist sponsors on the planet), etc., etc. The whole WMD argument on which Bush based the war was just a front. Yep, I do believe OIL played a big part. Not the whole of it, though. Not to say that Saddam didnÂ’t try to acquire WMDs. But, WHO HASNÂ’T? Are you gonna start invading every single country that TRYS to get their paws on nukes, anthrax, & such? AND, how come Bush no. 1 didnÂ’t finish the job (getting rid of Saddam) in 1991 when you guys had the chance? Saddam was evil back then too, you know. Face it, Nixons, America acts out of SELF-INTEREST, not out of its passion to champion democracy & freedom. Those are intermittent by-products of AmericaÂ’s ulterior motives. IÂ’m not saying America is the only country that acts this way. Like Madonna said, its human nature

But, plse letÂ’s not take the self-righteous, hypocritical high-road here. Everyone (outside America) knows itÂ’s true. Now note, IÂ’m NOT attacking you personally or your job. (I think youÂ’re an ok dude.) IÂ’m aiming at the U.S. government, both past & present. Even, the Marshall Plan (after WW2) was done in AmericaÂ’s self-interest - to thwart the spread of communism. Vietnam Â– What do you mean that it was Â‘never about defeating anyoneÂ’??? HUH??? ThatÂ’s the whole purpose of a war, isnÂ’t it? Victory, opposite of defeatÂ…? It wouldÂ’ve being great if America had marched into North Vietnam, kicked commie ass, & held elections. But, it DIDNÂ’T. And, it COULDNÂ’T. That was this countryÂ’s darkest hour. You had to pull out (from the roof in helicopters) as the commies were taking over. Sounds like DEFEAT to me. If you donÂ’t like that term, how about total FAILURE? What a hellish war that was. American & Vietnamese life destroyed. And, for what??? Pulling out from the roof in helicopters? One of my favorite movies is Platoon, even though itÂ’s hard to watch some parts. Those GIs never understood what they were fighting for. Iraq may not be totally similar, BUT itÂ’s still being mismanaged by Â‘civilian typesÂ’ who donÂ’t know jack about fighting wars. Then Americans pay the ultimate price Â– their lives. Yes, I know, Vietnam was started by Democrats. Shame on them. Real situation in Iraq Â– Of course, you would have inside perspective into the Iraq war. However, donÂ’t just dismiss press & media reports altogether. Yes, yes, I know, theyÂ’re liberal & biased; but, still, I donÂ’t believe theyÂ’re making it ALL up. TheyÂ’re on the ground, talking to the people really fighting the war, the military; not the spin (read: lies) doctor civilians in Washington. Federal government accountability Â– Yes, I agree that personal responsibility counts for much. BUT, firkin heck, we pay our hard earned money in taxes to this government every year. The least they can do is respond effectively in times of crisis. Like IÂ’ve said countless times before, if you have all the money, know-how, & resources to develop space-age weapons & hit objects a gazillion miles away in space with a rocket (or something) like NASA did, then you can surely help humans in YOUR OWN BACKYARD? Finally, Louisiana Â– It maybe a Republican state, but New Orleans is mostly poor & Black. IÂ’m gonna go out on a limb and say that theyÂ’re not usually pro- Republican. Whew, look what you made me do? Now IÂ’m writing thesis answers!!! Excuse any grammar/spelling/punctuation errors. IÂ’m not the smarty pants you are

I didnÂ’t go to work today, Â‘cus IÂ’ve got a sore throat, so I can sit here & write my thesis

Nixons, donÂ’t read too much into this, but I wouldnÂ’t mind continuing our debate over the phoneÂ…whole lot easier than keyboardingÂ… But, I canÂ’t give out my home or cell number, due to obvious reasons. But, I could call youÂ… Just a thought

Posted by: RDS at September 22, 2005 10:38 AM (P8yUp)

1005 Do I have to run to thesis length? No

I'm an ordinary, average-looking fella. My mom says I look 'distinguished' under the right lighting conditions. Total darkness, f'rinstance.Why do you think I went to such lengths to cultivate this scintilating personality?

Every country on the planet acts in self interest. That's the point of HAVING a country; a bunch of people consolidating their resources to more effectively look after number one. But taken as a whole this country has a better track record than most in terms of human rights. I'm not saying we've never gone astray, but measured against WW 2 Germany or Cambodia we can certainly lay claim to the high ground, don'tcha think? I'm too tired to answer every point now. I'm lazy and I have to recheck my facts before commenting further on Vietnam. I will say that the helicopters you refer to were a result of pulling out of the country and leaving South Vietnam to it's fate--exactly what we want to avoid in Iraq. You can't just decide to grab your stuff and go home; that sort of thing leads to bloodbaths. I vehemently objected to the war before it started, but now we DID start it we have to stay until they're a bit more stable. In my opinion, that is

Real people were slaughtered like cattle in Vietnam and Cambodia when the Communists took control; don't you think it would be better for the Iraqis who AREN'T terrorists if we stuck around long enough to give them a better shot at safety? If Cindy Sheehan has the right to air her views then I have the right to air mine, even if some find my delivery objectionable.

I don't subscribe to the view that "If we can't beat ALL the bad guys (N Korea, Saudi Arabia, Pick a Madman) then we shouldn't help ANYBODY!" If you have rats in your house do you refuse to kill one in the cellar because there's rats in the attic too? A pro-american friend in the middle east would be a tremendous advantage. The kind of friend we used to have in Iran before Jimmy Carter sold out the Shah and delivered that country back into the Dark Ages (what party did he belong to again? he asked, all awash in innocence) Ok, ok--I said I wasn't gonna thesisize

I know I missed some points but I'm thinking of going to bed. I'm listening to the Mamas and the Papas, you see, and all this delightfully syrupy harmonizing is making me sleepy. I'd be delighted to discuss this in another forum, but I can't post a lot of personal info here, for obvious reasons. Tell ya what, here's my Japanese email which I rarely use--qqcn74td@tea.ocn.ne.jp

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at September 23, 2005 10:11 AM (wyByv)

1006 Ok, I also gotta ask what more should the government have done in New Orleans, do you think?

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at September 23, 2005 10:22 AM (wyByv)

1007 Check your email

Posted by: RDS at September 23, 2005 06:08 PM (P8yUp)

1008 i think the people who wrote hateful things about natalee and her family, really make me sick. i truly believe the three man (and i use that term loosley)and the one a be judge are all involed in this. they will get caught one day, and if they don't they have a bigger judge who will judge them when they die. GOD!!!! they will all rot in hell. my prayers are with the family. you are in my thought and prayers.

Posted by: ronna at September 26, 2005 12:05 AM (M7kiy)

1009 I CAN NOT BELIEVE HOW CRUEL SOME OF YOU PEOPLE ARE. SAYING SUCH HORRIBLE THINGS ABOUT NATALEE HALLOWAY, WERE YOU THERE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPENED? MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE FAMILY. IF IT WAS MY DAUGHTER I DO EVERYTHING I COULD DO TO FIND MY DAUGHTER OR ANY INFOMATION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED, JUST LIKE HER FAMILY IS DOING. I THINK SHE WAS A GOOD GIRL, AND VANDERSLOOT AND HIS BUDDIES AND THE ONE A BE LAWYER ARE ALL GUILTY. YHEY WILL GWET CAUGHT. IF NOT IN THIS LIFETIME, BUT WHEN THEY DIE THEY HAVE A GREATER JUDGE-"GOD" AND HE WILL JUDGE THEM BY SENDING THEM STRAIGHT TO HELL. THAT IS MY PERSONAL OPINION. GOD BLESS YOU NATALEE AND YOUR FAMILY.

Posted by: ronna at September 26, 2005 05:42 PM (M7kiy)

1010 Ronna- Were you there? Do you know what happened? Neither do I. People claim to 'know', but it's really all just speculation.

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at September 26, 2005 08:04 PM (bVu1Y)

1011 It makes sense for Beth to think that the whole world must revolve around Natalee, Ronna. It's natural for her to think that her daughter was perfect, good and pure. She's her mother. But what's your excuse?

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at September 26, 2005 08:11 PM (bVu1Y)

1012 First of all, people are commenting on the political affiliations of the website under the section that is about Natalee Holloway. What is that? Oh well, I might as well be a hypocrite and say George W. is about as dumb and ignorant as they come (and not because of the war). Also, while I'm off topic, a lot of you need to learn how to spell. So back to Natalee. Has anyone considered the possibility that she was drugged with a common 'date-rape' drug? She may not have known what was going on when she left with some scum-bags who had their way with her and then killed her. The one consolation in that possibility, is that she wouldn't have been aware of what was happening. By the way, I'm Canadian (Toronto Canadian, so (a) we get the same weather as Boston and (b) we are more rational than any of you from southern states - I had to say that for all you redneck, bible-thumpers who might be quick to criticize me). BYE!!

Posted by: Jay at September 27, 2005 09:03 AM (fBlpl)

1013 Jay- First of all, If you had bothered to really read the comments on this page, you would see that you are probably the 100th person to suggest that Natalee was drugged. My sympathies-you probably thought you'd had a brilliant breakthrough of some kind. Witnesses say that she got into the car herself. It doesn't sound like she was half-conscious and dragged to the car to me. That being said, there is always a possibility of someone drugging your drink-even if you buy a soda. That's why you don't let strange men buy you drinks or leave your drinks unattended. And what kind of friend lets another friend leave with three strange men? I'm not saying that Natalee deserved what happened to her. But if you indulge in these risky behaviors there is always the chance that something bad will happen to you. Why take that chance? This is all from a Virginian who's more rational than you'll ever be

Cheers, Jennifer

Posted by: Jennifer Cannon at September 27, 2005 12:40 PM (bVu1Y)

1014 Well said, Jennifer!!! Some Southerners really have it together

Personally, I think some of those Canadians are a wee bit too liberal.... Just a thought

Posted by: RDS at September 27, 2005 09:43 PM (P8yUp)

1015 Well, this is my first foray into the Jawa-Zone....I've been impressed, dismayed, uplifted, and downright disgusted with the content. This is about Natalee, a bright gal with a wonderful future, who is missing it. Perhaps forever, though I tend to be impossibly optimistic. Obviously something has gone terribly wrong with her plans, and because her loving mother has gone to such lengths to keep this story in all of our minds we will continue to debate what has happened, and why. It does NOT matter if she made a bad decision/was stupid (we ALL have, for those moronic simpletons who continue on that venue), just that hopefully she is still available for rescue. If not, (1) my sympathy to those who know her and love her most. If that's the case, they are the ones who hurt the most right now. If so, (2) I think some..what was that? Oh yes...'redneck bible-thumpers' should corner the poor, unsuspecting 'persons of interest'...I think we might all get some closure.

Posted by: SAM at September 28, 2005 02:28 AM (6mUkl)

1016 I have to be honest and admit I havn't heard or read anything about Natalee lately, this page o' comments aside. I am under the impression the suspects have all been freed? So nobody really knows, I guess. Maybe she fled to Canada determined to start a new life rooted in rational liberalism, only she choked to death on the smug, ineffectual envy afflicting that country? Whadda you think, Jay, you enlightened, rational, mud-slinging hatemonger, you? You should ditch that maple leaf business and go with a new slogan, "Canada--We May Be Hypocrites But We Export A Lot of Foolishness, Eh! What we need is a new page devoted to scrutinizing the media--is it tilted Left, Right or Unitarian? Are all-news channels running so thin on real news that they just loop a tape of an unusual airplane landing and go to Dunkin' Donuts to play Jenga with their interns? I think we can all agree that Chris Matthews is despicable, right? See--we're making progress already!

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at September 28, 2005 08:01 AM (1P/rz)

1017 Check out the link for the nude video that has emerged from this case! Very suspect! http://www.uselessjunk.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2515&mode=nested&order=0&thold=-1

Posted by: doodles at September 28, 2005 01:28 PM (Jly2M)

1018 Nixon Ninja's.....I live in Canada and you have no idea how great it is to live here. Answer this for me... Do you pay for medicare? Guess what, I don't in Canada. Canada has the best educated people and the highest literacy rate in the world. Canadians live longer than anyone on the planet, except people in Japan and Iceland. Let's see ...USA has a higher Poverty Rate ...USA has more lower paying jobs than Canada ...Canada has better Employment Security ...Prisoners per 100,000: Canada-118 VS.USA- 546 ...We have more adults who are educated ...We are smarter ...We have better voter turnout I could be here all day. Guess what....we have almost as many guns per capita as you do....but us Canadians don't use them to kill each other. I suggest if you don't know what you are talking about....don't bother posting.

Posted by: Canada Rocks! at October 04, 2005 12:04 PM (bDZeQ)

1019 Good for you. Feel free to stay in Canada and be an international punch line. Nobody cares

Posted by: Nixons Ninja at October 05, 2005 09:18 AM (HoEFL)

1020 I dont see where Aruba has any defence,whatsoever. They didnt allow The FBI to handle the investigation ,they wont reveal any info to the American People, They allow these Lying Depraved Losers to wander again amongst tourist. Aruban police and their laughable justice system is nothing more than protection for their domestic interest,so were unfair,big deal, theres a whole lotta beaches and bannana republics around we can easily avoid your island. I would say no matter what they do at this point,lets keep up the preasure on our Government to represent our interest and make sure this Corrupt island is nev er again a place where our young go for vacation!

Posted by: Janet at October 18, 2005 12:50 AM (EAn45)

1021 This topic is taking too long to read. It needed to be broken down ages ago...

Posted by: Beck at October 23, 2005 07:00 PM (9EN8h)

1022 Wow. Some of you people are really fucked up. Why in Gods name would you bash a woman like this? Regardless of her actions that night, she is a victim. I see people on here calling her a whore, slut and saying all kinds of ignorant shit. We all know why they say these things...because they're mad. Mad that -they- didnt get the chance to have her for themselves. As far as Aruba goes, I say we re-enact Grenada on that worthless spit of land. "You've never been here, you know nothing about the Dutch." they'll say. Fuck the Dutch. What have they ever contributed to the good of the world? Well, I hear the Dutch Marines are good to go, so I'll excuse them. But the rest of you dutch dope smoking, raping, euro-centric retards can go get bent. To the Halloway family, my prayers are with you, and your daughter. The wheels of justice turn slowly, but they do turn. With any luck, the criminal shitbags (to include that aruban judge) will meet someone that can show them the error of thier ways...preferably with the buisness end of a US Military issued M16A2 service rifle. Anonymous US Marine Semper Fi

Posted by: Scout at October 25, 2005 09:19 PM (ywZa8)

1023 Wow, with irrefutable reasoning like that there must behundreds of think tanks clamoring for your input! Yes, invasion is the answer to everything! What, the Dutch found insufficient evidence to convict anybody? LET'S BURN THEIR ISLAND TO A CINDER!!! The Dutch practice the rule of law and say you're innocent until proven guilty, just like the United States? KILL KILL KILL!!! Where's the reporting on Natalee Holloway now? The MSM has lost interest and moved on becuse they never genuinely cared from the beginning--exactly as we've been saying all long. Did you take the time to read the debate here, Scout ol' buddy? Or were you too busy working yourself into a frothing frenzy and calling for the extermination of thousands of people who have never done you any harm? I really wish the Marines, an organization with a lot to recommend them, wouldn't allow the induction of psycopaths into it's ranks. By the way, your theory that we're mad because we "didn't get to have her ourselves" is an extremely frightening insight into the snake pit that passes for your mind. (And if anyoe else is still reading this, stand by for the inevitable death threats from this armed Froot Loop. )

Posted by: Nixon's Ninja at October 29, 2005 07:26 PM (goEPa)

1024 This story is sick , im from Aruba and we almost never had a murder now this Nathalee shit is just domm people die everyday all over in the world. Now her mom wants Aruba to look bad Nathalee was domm that bar she went to i go there all the time ...not even me that lived there for 12 years will go in someone car that i dont know............if this was black person getting missing on the island this wouldn't have been a big deal but noooooo she was a blond wow perfect A student ....i guess she was not that smart. Aruba is my home also i live in Florida but do you think if i would end up missing out here who would care just another missing person on a milk box.i do feel sorry for her mom/dad but they are pushing it too far .my friend got killed right after her murder and they never even brought that case up because the are too bussy to still look for Nathalee............ American FBI we fall under Europe no body no case so live with it. sorry getting tired of this Nathalee shit .Everytime people ask me where im from i say Aruba "is that where that girl end up missing" stupid stupis stupid

Posted by: raquelle at November 04, 2005 08:07 AM (M7kiy)

1025 i can't stand the american attitude, most americans think they are better then other countries for example calling dutch [us] pot smokers in the meanwhile america has the highest criminal numbers with there ghetto's and guns for everyone. and maybe we produce alot of xtc and stuff, butt thats because americans use and need so much. and then the law for driving at age of 16 and trinking at the age of 21, in holland we drink at 16 and go home with the bicycle or taxi, 16yo americans drive to there buddies secret drink some beer to be cool and there you have a roadkill. so look at youre self before you piss off other countries

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