November 30, 2004
American Roy Hallums Held Hostage in Iraq
UPDATE 9/07: ROY HALLUMS RESCUED IN IRAQ!!!! Details here. Or try the
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UPDATE 1/25/05: Roy HALLUMS hostage video emerges, click here for details. Thank God Roy is still alive!
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American Roy Hallun has been held hostage in Iraq for the past 29 days. I first learned about this today. It was buried in a NY Times piece, almost to the end. I can't find any other information about Mr. Hallun other than incidental reports by the the press in the Phillippines. Roy Hallun was taken captive with a Fillipino named Robert Tarongoy and the Phillippines has now confirmed that they are in negotiations with the terrorists for his release.
Does any one have any further information about Mr. Hallun? Perhaps the more recent press reports have spelled his name incorrectly and this is why I was unable to fact check the story?
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12/01 From this post: Remembering the Forgotten American Hostages in Iraq
A friend of his left a comment today and reports that the correct spelling of his name is "Roy A. Hallums". The last 'Butch' heard from Roy he was in Amman Jordan working for the Saudi Arabian Trading and Construction Company (SATCO). In an e-mail sent to Butch last July, Roy mentioned he might be headed to Iraq soon. Any news about Roy would be welcomed by his friends and family. Neither the Pentagon nor SATCO has been forthcoming with information. Roy was kidnapped with several Iraqis, a Nepalese, and a Fillipino man all of whom have been released. The Phillipine government now confirms negotiating with the terrorists for Robert Tarongoy's freedom, something the Pentagon had warned would could be dangerous to the welfare of other hostages being held in Iraq..
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1/11/05: Tribute to American Hostage Roy Hallums
As close followers of this site know, a minor controversy was started when we published the name of an American civillian being held hostage in Iraq. His name first appeared as 'Roy Hallun' in a Fillipino newspaper and we republished that account here. In response to that initial post a friend of Roy contacted us and clarified that Roy's last name was actually 'Hallums'.
We published several posts about Roy Hallums, shocked that not a single mainstream media outlet had picked up on the story. Roy had been kidnapped with six other foreigners on November 1st. For weeks the State Department would only confirm that an American had been kidnapped but would not release his name. This seemed odd to us and we felt that the word should get out.
Members of Roy's family soon contacted us with words of encouragement. They too were perplexed that an American citizen could be held hostage in Iraq and yet no media would cover the story.
However, as some of you know, we took down several posts dedicated to Roy Hallums. A person close to Roy Hallums' contacted me with the concern that publicizing his account might jeopardize ongoing negotiations for his release. I was conflicted. On the one hand I felt a great deal of sympathy for this person. If I were in their shoes I would do everything possible, including paying a ransom to terrorists, for the release of my loved one. On the other hand, I wanted the whole world to know the depths of Islamofascist perfidy. As a matter of fact, my entire site is dedicated to that very goal.
In the end, the personal nature of the request won me over and I removed the posts as requested.
In the past few weeks, Roy's immediate family has been trying to get the word out about his plight and it seems the media is catching on. Just prior to my vacation I was contacted by a producer at CBS news who was trying to reach the Hallums family--I assume they ran the story although I've been out of the loop. Carrie and her mother Susan Hallums have also appeared on Good Morning America trying to get the word out about their loved one.
Carrie e-mailed me over my holiday letting me know that she had set up a web page dedicated to her father. If you have a minute I'd encourage you to go over there and look around. You can leave words of encouragement at this guest page. Also, please include Roy Hallums and his family in your prayers.
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I heard there are plenty of hostages we don't even know about. Wonder why some are brought to media's attention, while others aren't? I hope I'm wrong about the hostages they are keeping though.
Posted by: Laura at November 30, 2004 04:58 PM (ptOpl)
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Maybe just rumours only. For me the Margret Hassan 's death is also a big big rumour.No news agency has viewed the video except for AL-Jazzera( is that credible???).No video realeased in the net.why?--> what\s the message here??? She was killed for?
Posted by: roopesh at November 30, 2004 06:10 PM (q9wBH)
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Tarongoy, along with American Roy Hallun, two Iraqis and a Nepalese were abducted November 1 by armed men who barged into their office in Baghdad. The group was employed by a Saudi Arabian trading firm. (Can't find out the name of the firm)
http://news.balita.ph/html/public_html/article.php?story=20041129214544476
Posted by: Caoilfhionn at November 30, 2004 07:48 PM (RyucI)
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Roopesh I have to agree with you! No video of Margaret, yet there was one they refused to release because it was too Graphic??? say what???? just because they threw water on her because she had fainted? What is up with that and why would they consider THAT too graphic when they release beheading videos for chrissakes. It doesn't make any sense to me at all. And who are they trying to impress by killing her, when she helped those people all these years? What did they think they would accomplish by killing someone who helped their own people?
I guess they don't have to have a reason, that's the only conclusion I can gather from all this. Maybe it's not supposed to make sense.
:-(
Posted by: Laura at November 30, 2004 07:56 PM (ptOpl)
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I wonder how much the price is up to now. And there's still Matt Maupin no one has heard about for months.
Posted by: Jane at December 01, 2004 07:54 AM (+7VNs)
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I completely forgot about Maupin. Sad.
Posted by: Rusty at December 01, 2004 08:17 AM (JQjhA)
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I don't have any further information either.
My original enty from Nov on Tarongoy is at
Diggers Realm, but even then the American was still unknown.
Posted by: Digger at December 01, 2004 02:46 PM (FYEx6)
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Actually that is not the original entry above. That was a follow up from Nov. 15. The
original entry didn't even know Tarongoys name or nationality. It was the abduction where three guards were in eating lunch and the fourth was out guarding when the attack occurred. One terrorist was killed in the abduction.
Here's my entry from Nov. 1. The entry on The Jawa Report is
here.
Posted by: Digger at December 01, 2004 02:52 PM (FYEx6)
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Dr. Rusty Shackleford pls info me more info about Roy Hallums the forgotten hostage in Iraq.Pls say prayers for him and most of all he will always remember him and his heroic efforts in Iraq.
Posted by: Susan Hallums at December 02, 2004 09:27 PM (BPMHw)
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I think it's odd that "Butch" is asking for information on behalf of Roy Hallums' family and we do not even know him (Butch). Please pray for my father's safe release and return. He is a wonderful person and does not deserve what is happening to him.
Posted by: Carrie Hallums at December 02, 2004 11:00 PM (IeY5W)
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It's good to see the input from Roy's family. I just want them to know that I worked with Roy at SRF-Jubail for all the years he was there. We, all his ex-coworkers and friends, only heard about his situation by accident during a CNN interview with a Philippine government representative about a week ago. It seems by all reports that the Filipino was also abducted at the same time as Roy, and his government was trying to do something to get him released. Anyway, that's when I decided to try to find out more about this terrible situation and why we had not heard about it even though it happened a month ago. I hope I haven't done anything to upset his family, it's just that I consider him a good friend and wanted to try to do something to help. Please know that all his friends, American, British, Filipino, Pakistani, and Saudi are all ready to do anything we can to help him and his family in any way possible. Please e-mail me as you wish. God bless Roy and his family during this terrible ordeal and may he bring him home soon, safe and sound!
Posted by: Butch Conner at December 04, 2004 08:39 AM (m+zum)
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Thank you Butch and all his other friends and coworkers. We are all so devastated and sad of this horrible act. We hope and pray he is home soon. How could anyone take another human being this way. Susan Hallums
Posted by: Susan Hallums at December 04, 2004 06:21 PM (BPMHw)
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I am praying for Roy and his family.
Posted by: Teri Randle at January 12, 2005 11:41 AM (fLlQ8)
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Just got off the phone with Carrie Hallum and I am on the way to my bank To open a trust fund for her father Roy Hallum so if anyone out there would care to make a donation I will have all the info and post it here within a couple of hours.
Lets get this guy home to his family.
Posted by: WildHorse at January 12, 2005 01:07 PM (lc9F1)
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Prayers going out to Carrie and friends and family. Thank you, Carrie, for stopping by eBay's "Giving Board" and allowing us to share our prayers.
Posted by: also-a-victim at January 20, 2005 10:51 PM (4Ju9z)
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Interesting that news of Mr. Hallums abduction didn't come out the day before or the day of the Nov. 2 Presidential election. That's all I have to say about that aspect.
Our deepest thoughts are with the family.
Posted by: Patti Priest at January 25, 2005 07:11 AM (czoaS)
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We want you to know that your father and family are in our prayers on a daily basis. Please believe in the lord and know that he is with your father every day. We know how hard this incident is on your family. We are here for all of you no matter what you need. Our father who are in heaven hallo be thy name thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day out daily bread and forgive us our tres passes as we forgive those who tresapss against us and lead us not into salvation but deliver us from evil. For the kingdom the power and the glory are yours now and forever.
Please believe in the justice of our lord Jesus Christ. We love all of you.
Posted by: Kim, Lewia, and Victoria at January 25, 2005 11:37 PM (HF0S9)
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I know what it feels like to lose someone as I lost a brother to Viet Nam but in all reality, I am afraid our government will not do anything to help this poor man or his family. Bush is now the bully instead of Sadam. He is forcing a lifestyle these people don't want. Let's come home and mind our own business. Let's take care of Americans that are homeless, poor & hungry. I pray for Roy but our government will not. It makes me so sad. When this ever end?
Posted by: Annette at January 26, 2005 09:22 AM (61Ehx)
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Hello,
This is your wakeup call.....
Iraq, THE ENTIRE COUNTRY is a WAR ZONE!!!!
If you go there for any reason you are subjecting yourself to whatever those who don't want you there choose to do to you.
PLEASE do your loved ones a favor and consider LONG AND HARD the choice you are making.
Then, if you've made the choice to go there PLEASE tell your loved ones to LIVE WITH IT!!!!
Posted by: Hacksaw at January 26, 2005 04:18 PM (EPVeK)
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I will continue to pray for both roy hallums and robert tarongoy. Rusty, kindly give us update about them. They are good people. My family and I cares for them. Please tell us any news about robert and roy.
mike
Posted by: mike at February 06, 2005 06:04 AM (FBKzP)
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How can anyone be so heartless to say that anyone should tell a person who chose to go to another country to help the people, to then live with what happens to you when you are there?!! It takes a very special, strong person to care so much about humanity to go abroad and we should do all we can to help bring them home when trouble erupts.
Posted by: Debra at February 08, 2005 11:31 AM (CyCw+)
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from all in kissimmee fla. God bless you and your father. I believe he will come home safe.
Posted by: larry at February 08, 2005 11:36 AM (YRMFC)
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Dear Roy: I remember a vibrant young man my same age many years ago wisiting his Uncle Robert in Michigan, all of my sisters and I will never forget this polished young man so natural in his way of speaking and carrying on, you will come thru this GOD IS ON YOUR SIDE. Bless you and your family Carrie contact me in Michigan, you have a whole contintient in this area to give support.
Thanks-- Barb Copeland and Family 2-9-05
Posted by: Barbara (Petty) Copeland at February 09, 2005 01:26 PM (Vl8Ii)
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Please know that Roy will come home safely to his wonderful family. God Bless Roy.
Posted by: Kathy at March 03, 2005 06:16 PM (fLlQ8)
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God bless you, Roy. I pray for your safe return.
Posted by: Beth at March 03, 2005 06:22 PM (fLlQ8)
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Sending thoughts and prayers for your father Carrie & your family, I wish our government would do more because this is a result of their ill- thought out actions. It would be nice to think they are giving you some support but in my heart I doubt it! Nevertheless there are many who are praying and thinking of you, never doubt the power of prayer!
You all did a fine job on CNN today! Sue
Posted by: Sue at March 22, 2005 01:00 PM (6mUkl)
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Terrific job on CNN, it got me up out of my chair and to my computer within seconds. I will say a prayer and make a donation, it is the least any of us can do.
Posted by: J at March 22, 2005 01:06 PM (LJ/w/)
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Dearest Hallums family,
My prayers are deeply with you.My love and strenght God has given me,are also shared with you.As I read through all the postings I got emotional,I just saw you on CNN,and I am so saddened that this has happened.I will continue to pray for your fathers safe return,as well as the other captives there.May God bless you all. Cathleen
Posted by: Cathleen at March 22, 2005 01:36 PM (6krEN)
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Bloggers Jailed in Iran
There are reasons why I worry about Iran having a Nuclear bomb and not Israel, Pakistan and not France (yes, France), or North Korea and not, say, Sweden. Here is an an example from
Reporters Without Borders via
Michelle Malkin:
Reporters Without Borders has strongly protested against the Iran's relentless efforts to stifle free expression online after the arrest of five webloggers in less than two months, the latest on 28 November 2004.
"The government is now attacking blogs, the last bastion of freedom on a network that is experiencing ever tighter control," said the worldwide press freedom organisation. "At the same time, an Iranian delegate is sitting on a UN-created working group on Internet governance. The international community should condemn this masquerade," it added.
Three webloggers identified only by their first names were arrested on 29 October 2004. They were : Dariush, Omid, and Payvand.
Mojtaba Saminejad was arrested at the beginning of November for speaking out against the arrest of his three colleagues in his blog.
Farid Modaressi, a member of the student organisation the Office to Consolidate Unity, was arrested on 28 November on the order of the prosecutor's office in the city of Qom. He had posted a number of articles on his weblog exposing persistent harassment in the city by members of the conservative movement. Two of his brothers were reportedly arrested two days earlier and are apparently still being held.
Scott at Slantpoint points to the
Editor: Myself blog for background and commentary including
this post on why blogs provide a space for public discourse otherwise closed under the clerical regime:
It's in this context that Internet, and blogs in particular, are so much important in Iran today: They are providing a relatively safe space for a public discourse that the regime has effectively prevented during the past couple of years by shutting down opposition parties and newspapers, and intimidating journalists, and activists.
While the smarter divisions of the regime have realized the dangers of this remaining open space and desperately trying to close it, the world seems to be ignorant about this great Achilles'' heel of the Iranian regime.
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Ruh roh! Trolls on this blog, beware! Big Bro's watchin' ya!
;-)
Posted by: Laura at November 30, 2004 03:33 PM (ptOpl)
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Brought to you by the religion of peace.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 01, 2004 04:33 AM (wJPgF)
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Anyone willing to provide a translation of the offending passages from any of the three blogs?
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Free Muslim Coalition Petition
Dean had a link to the
Free Muslim Coalition's petition to get the UN to support censuring religious leaders who sanction murders through the issuing of fatwas. I urge all to sign the petition (direction are at the bottom of the page).
I took a few minutes to look over the site, and I must say I like what I see. For instance, their position on terrorism:
The Free Muslim Coalition Against Terrorism believes that there can NEVER be a justification for terrorism.
The Coalition believes that fundamentalist Islamic terror represents one of the most lethal threats to the stability of the civilized world. The existence of Islamic terrorists is the existence of threats to democracy. There is no room for terrorism in the modern world and the United States should take a no-tolerance stance on terrorism in order to avoid another tragedy, along the lines of 9-11. With the added threat of biochemical weapons, the call to defeat terrorism has never been so urgent.
Among Islamic scholars, the concept of jihad ranges in definition from the personal struggle against temptation to holy war. All calls for jihad to create an Islamic state should be rejected as heretic and a threat to modern society. The Coalition feels that the concept of jihad should be reinterpreted for a modern day context in which holy war is obsolete. No holy war needs to be waged; there is no clear and present threat to Islam; the only war that needs to be waged in the modern world is one against terrorists and extremists. As militant Islamic fundamentalism increases, the Coalition will wage a battle of minds as we bring Islam into the 21st century and introduce a doctrine which is compatible with democracy and modern living.
Brave souls, all.
Check this out from their position on democracy, I fully agree:
The Free Muslim Coalition Against Terrorism strongly supports the promotion of democracy in the Middle East. However, the Coalition cautions that imposing democracy on the Middle East without first promoting secularism and destroying terrorism may lead to the creation of Islamic extremist states that will ultimately reject the democracy that brings them to power....
Democracy is rule by the people; a system of free choice where rulers are elected and held accountable by their constituents. The element of free choice of leaders is an explosive topic right now in the Middle East & North Africa. If fair and free elections were held tomorrow, the majority of Arab countries would probably elect totalitarian leaders with an intolerant pro-Islamist agenda. The election of extremists would spell death to democracy. We must first expel Islamic extremists and terrorists from Arab and Muslim societies before democracy sweeps the region.
The Coalition supports the right of all peoples to self government, but recognizes the importance of a solid system of government which guarantees a secular democracy protecting the rights of all people, regardless of gender, race or religion, and strives tirelessly to eliminate threats to democracy including extremism and terrorism. The Coalition fosters this secular environment by opening debates on the prerequisite of secularism in governments in the Middle East & North Africa, rallying against Islamist propaganda in media outlets, in institutions of education and in political campaigns, and by exploring the creation of secular democracy-preserving constitutions for Arab and Muslim countries.
The Coalition believes that Muslims must be reeducated about the benefits of secularism and that the failure of their governments to bring them peace and prosperity was not because they were secular. The Coalition also believes that democracy can not succeed unless terrorism is defeated and Islamic extremism is discredited.
Amen brothers. Finally some hope!!!
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You don't really believe this, though, do you? I mean, wasn't it you that said all Muslims sanction the killing of non-Muslims.
Oh, wait, could it be that I was right in that only a small percentage of Muslims feel this way, and maybe this is a bit of proof supporting that?
Posted by: Venom at November 30, 2004 03:31 PM (dbxVM)
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Only MOST Muslims polled in Indonesia supported murdering, not ALL. As a matter of fact, when polled MOST Muslims in the Middle East also support murdering (Jews, of course). MOST is not ALL. This organization admits to being a MINORITY among Muslims, which they would like to change.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 30, 2004 03:38 PM (JQjhA)
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Always wonder why it takes a coalitiion, meeting after meeting, discussion after discussion to come up with the obvious.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 09, 2004 09:27 PM (V+tDH)
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Barking Moonbats in Canada Alert
Canadians protesting Bush's visit. I saw
Christmas with the Kranks last Friday, this protest looks much funnier. Go check out the
Ravishing Light's photo essay posted
here,
here, and
here. (via
LGF)

Ok, I think we all can agree that Bush=Hitler....but that Star Wars crack just goes too far!! I say invade Canada now!!

But seriously, moonbats like this are the reason Bush will probably be assasinated. Why? Because if you really believe Bush=Hitler then isn't killing him the right thing to do? A running theme on this blog is that people do terrible things because they believe that what they are doing is for a just cause. This is why the battle for ideas is every bit as important as the physical battles being fought by our brave soldiers abroad.
PS-Looks like turnout was lighter than expected.
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I guess the tin foil hat was on too tight for that first couple, b/c the last time I checked, the ends of a swastika point clockwise. Oh well, I already knew they clearly were not students of history anyhow...
Posted by: Wine-aholic at November 30, 2004 02:33 PM (Wsn+K)
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Aren't these the same nutcases who dawn masks and use sling shots against law enforcement officers outside of WTO meetings? I guess in such short notice the bums couldn't get enough money up to buy enough ripple for the street people to join them in their slingshot leden fun.
Also, that is a swastika but not the right one for what they wanted to convey which shows canadian literacy is sorely lacking.
Posted by: Andre at November 30, 2004 02:55 PM (hD5mx)
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On the other hand, it would really suck to actually know useless bits of information like which way a swastika's arms are supposed to point. Not to mention a little scary, too.
Posted by: Venom at November 30, 2004 03:13 PM (dbxVM)
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Up there in canaduuuhhh we se these idiots in their usial stupid protests compairing bush ti hitler just where did they get their educations? or did they play hookie all the time and they have just shown why they are ignorant about a lot of things and at one time my father wanted to move to canaduuhhh just shows their IQ must be a 00000% and to think that jerk fact micheal moore called americans dumb and so did that left-wing english rag THE LONDON DAILY MIRROR(or is it the DAILY SEWER?)
Posted by: sandpiper at November 30, 2004 08:15 PM (Fcc6d)
Posted by: Darren at November 30, 2004 11:59 PM (9aklK)
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Hahahaha, way to try and set the record straight, sandpiper!! I mean, with your run-on sentences, spelling mistakes, and self-taught grammar skills, you're clearly one of the bright ones, right?
Exactly what point were you trying to prove, blandpiper? That you're smarter than the average Canadian? lmao! I've seen ebonics that made more sense.
Posted by: Venom at December 01, 2004 09:12 AM (dbxVM)
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My favorite person in the Engineering firm I sold 6 years ago had perfect grammer. Wrote great reports. Many accolades from Federal, State and major city officials on his presentation of our proposals.
HE WORKED FOR ME MANY YEARS. I even co-signed a loan for his home in Walnut Creek, Calif. Great guy with great literary skills.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 02, 2004 06:57 AM (ydtpC)
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I didn't even know Wierd Al was Ukranian...
....let alone
Prime Minister.
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Photo caption: "Vlad the Inhaler."
Really - anyone else think he looks like he's huffing glue?
Posted by: ccwbass at November 30, 2004 03:07 PM (xPDeU)
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Doesn't he remind you a little of Tiny Tim!?\
Either way, doesn't sound very appealing.
;-)
Posted by: Laura at November 30, 2004 03:18 PM (ptOpl)
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He dose look a bit like TINY TIM(remember tiptoe throught he tulips?)and well if any weird al yanklovich song fitted those antibsh protesters it would be DARE TO BE STUPID and how about GIRLS JUST WANT TO HAVE LUNCH and LIKE A SURGION? squawk squaerk too much
Posted by: sandpiper at November 30, 2004 08:20 PM (Fcc6d)
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Damn, someone slapped that child with an UGLY stick!
Posted by: Susan at December 01, 2004 08:29 AM (3pOYP)
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The adolescent kids love this guy! Or they used to, anyway. Remember the parody of "Beat It" by Jacko? Shows a fat Michael singing "eat it"...kids are starving in Japan, so EAT IT, just EAT IT.
Sad note, both his parents were killed in a fire at their home a few yrs. back.
Posted by: Laura at December 01, 2004 09:02 AM (ptOpl)
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Ugly, nothing. He's lovely. And Teens still love him.
Posted by: Carol the Angry Hippie at December 11, 2004 03:23 PM (8K0a1)
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Attacks on Troops Down After Fallujah Victory
The benefits of the Fallujah offensive just keep pouring in. The Zarqawi tape the article references
was reported here a week ago. This
NewsMax article explains it:
Terrorist attacks against U.S. troops and security forces in Iraq have plummeted dramatically in the wake of the Marine assault on Fallujah earlier this month, the Pentagon said Monday.
"Military officials report that attacks across all of Iraq have dropped from 130 to 50 per day," Pentagon correspondent Jim Miklaszewski told NBC's "Nightly News." ...
But terrorist leader Abu Musab al Zarqawi suggested last week that his forces were in no position to mount a counter attack - since the Fallujah offensive had devastated the insurgency.
"Hundreds of thousands of the nation's sons are being slaughtered at the hands of the infidels," Zarqawi said in an audiotape posted on an Islamic Web site known as al-Qala'a, which has been a mailbox for Islamic militant groups.
In an indictment of Muslim clerics whom he blamed for failing to support the insurgency, the Jordanian-born terrorist complained: "Are your hearts not shaken by the scenes of your brothers being surrounded and hurt by your enemy?
"How long will you continue to abandon the nation to the tyrants of the east and of the west, who are inflicting the worst suffering, cutting the throats of the holy warriors . . ."
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Attacks are down? there's 8 dead in the last 2 days. With victories like these, I hope we don't ever see defeat.
Posted by: actus at November 30, 2004 11:48 AM (CqheE)
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Where did you see this, Rusty? I read in today's paper that it's just reached a record!
We lost 7 guys that were stationed out of Ft. Hood in a helicopter crash due to really bad fog. Of course, they weren't killed in "action", yet they probably wouldn't have been in the crash had they not signed up to fight.
Sad either way.
Posted by: Laura at November 30, 2004 11:59 AM (ptOpl)
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That report you posted is not true. we have had the most death this month since two months ago.
Posted by: IraQ at November 30, 2004 12:10 PM (xdHNZ)
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Attacks on US troops are down. Unfortunately, the terrorists have begun to focus on Iraqi police again.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 30, 2004 12:30 PM (JQjhA)
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Rusty, that's because we killed them all. But it just go's to show that while I believe the Brits are the best at winning hearts and minds etc, you do need overwhelming force to subdue the insurgent fuckers. It has sent a message to any other town or city in that country, that if you harbour these people, that this is what will happen. I am a Brit, but God bless America.
Posted by: david at November 30, 2004 01:26 PM (PM/BC)
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War is hell.
Fewer attacks does not mean fewer deaths. Shows some promise.
We lost 75,000 men in the battle of the bulge in one day. Why are we whining about 7 or 8. Not to belittle thier sacrafice but we are far from being beaten here.
Posted by: Howie at November 30, 2004 01:27 PM (YdcZ0)
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The Battle of the Bulge which lasted from December 16, 1944 to January 28, 1945 was the largest land battle of World War II in which the United States participated. More than a million men fought in this battle including some 600,000 Germans, 500,000 Americans, and 55,000 British. The German military force consisted of two Armies with ten corps(equal to 29 divisions). While the American military force consisted of a total of three armies with six corps(equal to 31 divisions). At the conclusion of the battle the casualties were as follows: 81,000 U.S. with 19,000 killed, 1400 British with 200 killed, and 100,000 Germans killed, wounded or captured
Posted by: Howie at November 30, 2004 01:36 PM (YdcZ0)
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Hard to say if the Fallujah operation will have any lasting impact regarding overall insurgent activity. People seem to recall that Najaf was the scene of intensive fighting this past summer. Quelling that city didn't prevent Fallujah, nor should it be expected that Fallujah signals any significant crippling of the insurgency.
Of course, fighting didn't resume in Najaf afterwards, so it's possible some of this peace will last.
Posted by: Venom at November 30, 2004 01:36 PM (dbxVM)
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OK Maybe I exaggerated a little.
Posted by: Howie at November 30, 2004 01:38 PM (YdcZ0)
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Oops, that should have read "People seem to FORGET..."
Posted by: Venom at November 30, 2004 02:01 PM (dbxVM)
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I take your point venom. that's why I hope that the more these battles takes place, the pissed off the ordinary Iraqi's will get, resulting in the Iraqi's themselves eating into the insurgency from within. These insurgents/foreigners are holding all Iraq to ransom, its about time the Iraqi's themselves stood up to be counted and take steps to heel their own country.
Posted by: david at November 30, 2004 02:31 PM (PM/BC)
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Near the end and after WW II there was attacks on allied personel by neonazis called WEREWOLVES but they usialy ended up facing a firing squad when you face terrorists you dont fool around
Posted by: sandpiper at November 30, 2004 08:24 PM (Fcc6d)
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We complicate the matter to much. My rule of keep it simple stupid rings that David is correct. Sometimes talking doesn't work. In that case a good ass whipping does. Particularly when dealing with idiots that only understand force.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 01, 2004 04:53 AM (wJPgF)
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It may be of use to keep in mind that Fallujah was the major base. It contained massive amounts of materiel, the stuff needed for battle. A large number of the dedicated muj were there, and even though a number left early or escaped, the losses are not as easy to retrieve as some may think.
The muj are not magic. They are using terrorism on the Iraqi population because more and more the ING and especially the Americans are too dangerous to engage in any but the most hit and run fashion.
The insurgency is essentially a Sunni phenomenon. If parts of the Sunni triangle are sliced off from the bulk of it, which remember consists of only 20% of the population,the elections will create a free Iraq with a sore spot needing suppression. Do not doubt the desire of either the Shia or the Kurds to undertake something like this. And remember as well the majority of the civilian deaths being created by the muj are Sunni. This is not the best way for them to solidify their hold on the people when the people have hope of freedom from these gangsters.
Would anyone,did anyone, of the talking heads and the University pukes even begin to predict the successes that have attended our actions in Afghanistan? To ask the question is to answer it.
This President is being guided in part by the support he receivesd for his own instinctive understanding of the power of freedom by the work of Nathan Sharansky. Freedom and the hope for freedom are more powerful than most realize.
I think that many who worry about the cost in blood of this operation simply don't understand how incredibly inexpensive in lives these two battles (Afghanistan and Iraq) have been. If we had been able to end World War II, the Cold war including Vietnam, Korea and other minor clashes at the same proportionate cost millions, even tens of millions of people would not have died.
We need more faith in freedom and less concern about the wimps of Europe whose suicidal urges are defined by their lack of replacement of their own numbers.
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So what's al Qaeda up to these days? I've been speculating that Zarqawi, who is the leader of al Qaeda in Iraq, is in Mosul. Thanks to the
Reliapundit for this
Novinite link which claims Zarqawi may be in Basra. Very unusual if true because Basra is a Shia area. However, considering that Novinite picked the story up from a Russian news source which conducted interviews with Basra locals, I'm less than convinced of it's veracity:
Iraqi and UK troops from the coalition forces, are conducting a massive search raid for Jordanian terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in the southern Iraqi city of Basra.
Al-Zarqawi is believed to have taken refuge in the city after fleeing Fallujah.
Locals say agents from the Iraqi forces are collecting information about Al-Zarqawi location, Russian news agency RIA Novosti reported.
In other news,
operation Plymouth Rock is also focusing on areas south of Baghdad. No indication whether Zarqawi is a target of the operation.
Al Qaeda's #2 man has also released a tape. Chad Evans speculates that the message is an indication of fragmentation among the top al Qaeda leadership. Me? I've no idea but it doesn't surprise me to learn that Dr. Zawahri thinks the J-O-Os are behind the recent US elections.
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Fish Blogging
I called in sick yesterday and went to a super-secret fishing hole of mine. My spot is just below the outlet of a little man-made reservoir down here. I was the only one there all day. I'd say the river is only 15-20 feet below the top of the levy so the slough I fish off of is pretty small. Every time we get a lot of rain the bass just start boiling but I've never seen so many fish as yesterday! It looked like an upstream salmon migration with fish trying desperately to make it up the slough. Literally hundreds of bass congregating in the foam where the water from the lake above hits the river below. I've also heard of jumping catfish before, but never seen it. At first I thought they were giant bass jumping out of the water every five or ten minutes, until I hooked into my first cat of the day.
The bite was definitely on! Final score: Three 5 lb+ cats (all released) and five bass (took three home, ate one for supper last night). The catch of the day was a 7 or 8 lb monster of a largemouth, although I can't be sure. I grew up a trout fisherman and you measure trout by length, not by weight. I'll post a picture as soon as I get the film developed. I'm just glad I switched over to 20 lb line before I went. As it was two grandaddies got off. One of them broke the line, the other broke the hook! All the fish were caught on various plastic minows, even the cats, but the large (I'm talking 4-5 inches) red tinted ones seemed to work the best.
Fishing also gives you a chance to reflect on priorities. I've come to the conclusion that too much of my time is devoted to this blog. I love to blog, to put my thoughts down in a public forum, to get feedback, to be part of a national conversation.... but clearly blogging can't be the most important thing in my life. However, if time is an indication of our priorities than an objective observer might think my life's greatest priority was blogging. So, somewhere between the fish that got away and the discovery that I was standing on an anthill I made the commitment to spend less time blogging. No, I'm not giving it up, I'm just going to cut down a bit. I average 6-10 posts a day. Expect 3-5 in the future.
More time fishing, less time blogging. More time with my family, less time with the public. More time devoted to the job that pays the bills, less time to my hobby. All blog and no play makes Rusty a dull boy..
UPDATE: All blog and no play also make Bill a dull boy. Oh and screw the Llama Butchers, I'm just keeping it real yo!
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Posted by: Editor at November 30, 2004 09:04 AM (uurD1)
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OK that's it. I'm digging out the Christmans decorations. I'm off to the attic. Bye.
Posted by: Jane at November 30, 2004 10:01 AM (6krEN)
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Rusty
Glad to hear that you are a fisher! Nothing beats s day's fishing as they say back home, a days fishing with no fish beats a day at the office. Went Grayling fishing myself on Sunday. dreadful conditions but good to be out all the same
Posted by: James at November 30, 2004 10:18 AM (4PPsx)
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What is a grayling? Is that an ocean fish?
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 30, 2004 10:21 AM (JQjhA)
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Hard to argue with anything here. Except catch and release.
Posted by: Walter E. Wallis at November 30, 2004 10:52 AM (7XPVo)
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It's a slippery slope isn't it? First you start with the Sabbath, now your infecting the whole week with this "paying job" and "family" business. I'm saddened by your priorities.
I wish you the best (this is the only serious part, really).
Posted by: Gordon at November 30, 2004 11:25 AM (dEFhD)
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Wait a minute, you mean itÂ’s possible to have a blog and a family?
Posted by: Tim Worstall at November 30, 2004 11:38 AM (qXKOJ)
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Yes, Rusty, Grayling is an ocean fish. My personal favorite relative of the Grayling (to eat) is the Lingcod, which is NOT a true cod but, again, a grayling. MmmmMMMmmmM!
Posted by: Brian B at November 30, 2004 05:11 PM (CouWh)
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Yeah, take it easy, life is too short.
Fried fish, slaw, and hushpuppies...good eatin'
Best wishes Rusty.
Posted by: Tim at November 30, 2004 07:41 PM (pQEgI)
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Just dont tell those idiots at PETA they will picket you all the time but we know just how braindead those PETA jerks are for saying that fish can think well fish can sure out think a PETA dim-bulb anytime and my mom was once walking along a crrel bank when a fish leaped out of the water and grabbed the hook and bait and i saw a nature film from ALASKA showing a fish jumping into a bears mouth briliant huh?
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RUSTY: Ditto: Now you know where the Greyrooster has been the last 4 days.
For info: A grayling is also a cousin to a trout. Referred to as Artic Grayling. Caught them in Alaska and CANADA. The ones in Alaska are great. The ones from Canada are afraid to bite and fight like sissies.
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Rusty......a Grayling is a freshwater fish and a memeber of the salmonid family. They have a large elongated dorsal fin and an orange and silver appearence. They average about the pound mark but can grow up to 4lbs. They are good fighters especially on light tackle. We usually flyfish for them using weighted nymphs during the closed (trout) season. Tight lines
Posted by: James at December 01, 2004 06:38 AM (4PPsx)
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Rusty:
I've been meaning to apologize for posting so little of late, but I'm currently in "catch up" mode after having neglected my primary income-producing project. I have to read about 100 papers and produce an analytical paper within about a month, and I just haven't given it enough attention.
Normally I post once or twice a day, with a longish piece once a week or so. I have several pieces in the hopper, that have to be reworked.
When I was a kid I used to drag my little brother to several holes on the small creek where we lived to go fishing. One was a beautiful little hole with a lava-rock terrace right to the water, and it was like fishing off the back portch. Just lovely. Mostly rainbow and eastern browns (which were seeded).
I'll get back up to speed as I get this project out of the way. Promise.
Posted by: Demosophist at December 01, 2004 12:46 PM (7AGFb)
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Maybe Hillary and Michael Moore were downstream skinnydipping.
Posted by: Tom at December 01, 2004 04:02 PM (UrjRn)
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FISH POND. NOT HOG POND.
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November 29, 2004
The Edumacation of the Left
by Demosophist
I just watched a fascinating account on LinkTV's and Pacifica's leftist news program, Democracy NOW! concerning reports from sources in Central and Eastern Europe and the Caucasus. One was from a London Guardian reporter in Kiev named Ian Traynor. (Here's a link to a story he wrote on the topic.) He has been close to the pro-democracy movement there, unlike many of his colleagues sitting at their desks in London, and maintains unequivocally that you can credit the US with launching and funding many of the citizen movements in that part of the world that were able to prevent autocrats from stealing elections. He also says that the movements are not oriented toward simply producing pro-American propaganda that favors a particular candidate, but rather their mission is to produce a level playing field. (For instance, the pro-authoritarian election in Belarus recently was allowed to stand without protest, largely because it was acknowledged that the anti-US candidate did, in fact, win.)
more...
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You have great self control to listen to Pacifica. I had to stop because I kept getting worked up by thier hatred of my country, America.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at November 29, 2004 04:58 PM (tHUgl)
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If they hate america so much why dont those jerks just move to cuba or china or south america or russia or france and take their stupididy with them
Posted by: sandpiper at November 30, 2004 08:37 PM (Fcc6d)
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fuck you cunts are supposed 2 be religious??? what a joke allah would be sick of your acts on earth!!
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November 27, 2004
Saturday Entry
I'm pretty much taking the weekend off. I made a commitment a couple of months ago to stop blogging on Sunday--kind of a blog Sabbath. Remember, blogs were made for man and not man for the blogs.
In the meantime please go vote for Pat Tillman as Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year by clicking here. Tillman quit a lucrative job in the NFL to join the Army. He was killed fighting in Afghanistan. Vote early and vote often!
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We need to fix that. Armstrong, although a great athlete, wouldn't even ride in the olympics for the U.S. The gymnast, whatshisname, is still in a debacle with the olympic judges.
We need a GOTV campaign.
Posted by: Jeremy at November 28, 2004 02:53 AM (farnf)
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Can u vote more than once then? Tillman should win, hands down. Anyone who gives up fame and fortune to fight for the cause is hero in my book.
Posted by: Laura at November 28, 2004 04:00 PM (ptOpl)
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Theanks for the link. I dont spend much time at SI. Tillman is right up there with Ted Williams (Ace in WW2 and Korea) as a *REAL* hero! IF I go back tommorrow I can vote again?
Posted by: Rod Stanton at November 28, 2004 05:38 PM (tHUgl)
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I'll tell you why he isn't winning. Because I don't even know what happened but it just told me I voted for Lance Armstrong. I didn't even know I was VOTING. I thought the VOTE button would take me to the actually poll, not that I was casting a vote for Lance just because his face came up first. That poll is set up pretty crappy.
Posted by: Maureen at November 28, 2004 09:12 PM (ny5O/)
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The layout of the voting system is plastic..
Fancy but pathetic..
Posted by: qpr jon at November 29, 2004 04:08 AM (RUmD3)
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Each of those athletes are just as good as the next, with each having just as compeling a life story/reasons to be the athlete of the year.
If anyone at a time when we are a strong nation looking for an uplifting moment there was no other moment for this country lately than when lance armstrong crossed the finish line in Paris. We were not divided by race, religion, creed or sex; we were Americans.
Posted by: Salmander at November 29, 2004 09:24 AM (D4mP3)
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Yesterday, SI announced the Red Sox as Sportsmen of the Year.
What a crock!
Posted by: Steve L. at November 29, 2004 10:03 AM (hpZf2)
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Well, based on some of the comments above, there's two things I now understand.
First, Web Site designers aren't "Designers" . . . .
Two; I now understand what happened in Florida in the 2000 election . . . incompetent voters!
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November 26, 2004
Ransom Paid for UN Hostages?
Last week
we were grateful that 3 UN election workers being held hostage and threatened with beheding by Taliban elements were released in Afghanistan. Today, this story via
Captain Ed that ransom may have been paid for their release. The former hostages are Annetta Flanigan from Northern Ireland, Shqipe Hebibi from Kosovo, and Angelito Nayan from the Phillipines.
Reuters:
A former British soldier and journalist detained over his role in the release of three U.N. hostages was himself freed on Friday and said he had passed on a message offering $1.5 million to a group for the trio's freedom.
Veteran war cameraman Peter Jouvenal, who now runs a guesthouse in Kabul, said he passed on the offer of money from Kosovan businessman Behgjet Pacolli to the Taliban splinter faction Jaish-e Muslimeen (Army of Muslims) via an intermediary. "But as far as I understand that money was not paid," he said. Pacolli, a family friend of one of the hostages, has denied paying any ransom but has said Jouvenal traveled on his behalf to the Pakistani city of Peshawar to contact the militants.
A government official, meanwhile, said he understood the hostages were freed on Tuesday after the payment of a ransom, but he did not know by whom it was paid or to whom. "As far as I understand money has been given," he said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
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I am surprised that as influential and helpful as Hassan was, and being that she was there for over 30 yrs., that no one offered to pay a ransom for her! The Iraqi people themselves should have protested that something be done.
So much for helping people.
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They did protest but as usual protesting went un heard
Posted by: chris at November 26, 2004 01:11 PM (CG4dv)
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Hum. So in contrast to front groups funneling cash to terrorists, now we have somebody paying them directly? I wonder what sort of attack will be forthcoming with the infusion of $1.5 million to the jihad.
Posted by: skh at November 26, 2004 01:21 PM (0xwoN)
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99% of the kidnapping cases are for ransom.If deal is not struck their killed.
Regarding Laura's question About Margaret Hassan, her whole ordeal is quite mysterious.I don't have to explain as several pundits have already asked the question.
The whole world knew that she was an innocent,muslim convert,30 yrs in Iaq( Iraqi you can call),iraqi husband,ran a humanitarian org,spoke fluent arabic,.list continues..main thing opposed the war!!! but she was killed by the Ghost group. Any insurgent goup in Iraq would have known that she was innocent.Even the dreaded goups have released people when they were found to be not "collobarating" with the coalition.Only question is who was trying to gain what???
Who knows maybe it was the Zarqawi group itself.Even though they condemmed her kidnapping have they ever condemmed her killing.never.
Maybe it's a whole drama ie she might be alive at who knows?
Only time will tell!!!
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72 Virgins Dating Service
Via
No Pasaran! this Army Ranger shirt:
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Are these the sort of mid east virgins that you have to marry
in one of those temporary type wedding ceremonies.
You know the type I'm talking about Rusty. That raghead religious idea of theirs that makes it ok to have fun with a lady of the night if you marry her first type of thing.
You know everythings kosha then with regards to performing an illegal act and shit.
No I'd be realy interested to know.
Aso what price for two at the same Harym get together.
Might be, interesting who knows?
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Oops my mistake,
just followed the link and didnt ralise that these
are the real celestial type on your way to heaven
post jihady activities types.
Posted by: chris at November 26, 2004 01:14 PM (CG4dv)
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72 Virgins. hello, they aren't human females, they are male camels waiting to hump holes through the torsos of the myrtered suicide bombers.
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Posted by: large at November 27, 2004 10:17 PM (VRK2g)
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For those who doesn´t know, the "die for Allah and you´ll get 72 virgins" is a general misconception of the Quaran.
This is done to intice young muslims to jihad by various religious muslim leaders.
I am told that the quaran on this piont is easily misintepreted, but the real deal allah will give you is for 72 raisins. That must be disapointing.
Posted by: Hasted at November 30, 2004 02:11 PM (yACo3)
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72 virgins over forever equals 72 nights of fun and then 72 pissed off bitches at nagging at you forever.
Posted by: darthjj at December 05, 2004 02:45 AM (8dYfd)
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72 virgins over forever equals 72 nights of fun and then 72 pissed off bitches nagging at you forever.
Posted by: darthjj at December 05, 2004 02:45 AM (8dYfd)
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72 virgins over forever equals 72 nights of fun and then 72 pissed off bitches nagging at you forever.
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Raghead? Have some respect for others
Posted by: pat at March 03, 2005 09:52 PM (JV2KH)
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72 virgins for muslims ...72 pigs for anti-god forces.
Posted by: tttmate at March 22, 2005 03:57 PM (L/Qj4)
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Raisins...virgins....whatever. Once they're popped, no one wants either.
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Terrorists, Weapons, and Chemical Weapons Captured
A slew of happenings from Fallujah and Mosul yesterday, all the news positive. Abu Saeed, a top aid to Zarqawi, has been captured.
Via Chad at ITB this
AP piece:
A lieutenant of Iraq's most feared terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was captured a few days ago in Mosul, the government's national security adviser said Thursday. Qassem Dawoud identified the alleged lieutenant only as Abu Saeed but gave no further details.
Second, it looks like the terrorists were attempting to make chemical weapons in Fallujah.
The Cabal of Doom has a few photos of the alleged lab. This
Rueters report, via
James Joyner, seems to indicate that the lab was either at the location shown in
the first picture of this post or
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A laboratory for the manufacture of chemical weapons has been found in Falluja, an Iraqi minister said on Thursday, but Marines in the city said they were not aware of any such discovery. "Soldiers from the Iraqi National Guard found a chemical laboratory that was used to prepare deadly explosives and poisons," Minister of State Kassim Daoud told a news conference. "They also found in the lab booklets and instructions on how to make bombs and poisons. They even talked about the production of anthrax."
Last, it seems we keep finding more and more weapons in Fallujah. Two days ago
I reported a biographical sketch of Sheik Abdullah al-Janabi who ran the mosque where these weapons were found. Via James who e-mailed me this
Bloomberg report:
Iraqi forces and U.S. Marines searching a mosque in Fallujah ``discovered the largest weapons cache to date'' in the city, where the coalition has been carrying out an assault on insurgents, the military said.
The stockpile of heavy weaponry was found yesterday in and around the compound of the Sa'ad Abi Bin Waqas Mosque in the Hey Al-Shorta District, the military said today in a statement e-mailed from the capital, Baghdad. The mosque was used by Muslim cleric Abdullah al-Janabi, leader of the city's rebels, to preach ``anti-coalition rhetoric,'' the military said.
The number of weapons recovered in the mosque complex is ``stunning,'' and is ``enough to mount an insurgency across the country,'' the Associated Press cited Lieutenant Colonel Dan Wilson of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force as saying. The military didn't indicate how many weapons were seized.
To our fighting men and women in Iraq:
keep up the good work and God speed!
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Fifteen Bodies Found in Mosul
Fifteen bodies were found in Mosul today. This Reuters account puts the count of total bodies found in Mosul at 30. However, by my calculations at least
17 bodies were found in Mosul over the past week or so.
That number includes two members of the Kurdistan Democratic Party whose murder by the Army of Ansar al-Sunnah was videotaped and released on the internet. It also includes the bodies of 9 Iraqi National Guard members, seven of whom were beheaded, found in Mosul.
The AFP puts the count at 40. All of these bodies are of murder victims killed execution style. Mosul is now the center of terrorist activity in Iraq. Either we treat it like Fallujah or we let the Kurds take it over. The Arab police in that city are spineless and 80% or more have fled their posts. I like the latter option better. The Kurds will have no mercy.
Reuters:
U.S. forces have discovered another 15 dead bodies in and around Mosul, a U.S. military spokeswoman says, raising to at least 30 the number of bodies found over the past two weeks in the tense city.
"We don't have any specifics on who they were or how they were killed at this point, it's all under investigation," said Captain Angela Bowman, spokeswoman for U.S. forces in the north of Iraq, on Friday.
Thirteen bodies were found on the western side of the city, which straddles the Tigris river in the north of Iraq, on Thursday, and two more were found in Tal Afar, about 40 km (24 miles) west of Mosul, the spokeswoman said.
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Bring on the kurds!
They are seriously itching for revenge.Not only for
the recent attrocities by Zarqarwi.My guess is we
need a battalion of them. Just Give them a badge,
uniform and call them the Headhunters! Wont take long
believe me.Thats what we need to do more of.Delegate,Delegate , Delegate.
Posted by: chris at November 26, 2004 12:27 PM (CG4dv)
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Bastard Zarqawi left notes on the bodies, saying if the forces keep allying (is that a word??) with Americans, they will meet the fate of the ones slaughtered. Seems Zarqawi moved his group and is still spreading their terror from where they're at now. Mosul somewhere?
I read about a Texas soldier in my local papers and after he saw the fighting and devastation, he just said the Americans should level the place, and get the hell out of there. Just prolonging it, and more of our boys are getting killed.
Posted by: Laura at November 29, 2004 08:35 AM (ptOpl)
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My son has just returned home after spending a year in Mosul with the Stryker Brigade out of Ft. Lewis, WA.....I say give the Kurds the thumbs up and let them go into Mosul and clean it up their way.....when ever the Strykers went on patrol into Kurdish held territory, the Kurdish fighters always made sure our boys and girls in uniform were protected.
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Bring on the kurds!
They are seriously itching for revenge.
he just said the Americans should level the place, and get the hell out of there.
let them go into Mosul and clean it up their way....
Either we treat it like Fallujah ....
I would say you folks are definately in favor of violent solutions to these problems. How many have to die before you realize that violence is not the answer? Everybody in Iraq, maybe?
"The Arab police in that city are spineless and 80% or more have fled their posts."
Acually, the police in Mosul were working hand-in-hand with the insurgents as of summer, 2004. I know this because I listen to Democracy Now! on a regular basis.
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Looks like Bush is pretty incompetent at bringing "freedom and democracy" to the Iraqi people, doesn't it? He seems to be bringing the Iraqis the freedom of the grave and the democracy of death.
But who was stupid enough to believe that was his mission anyway?
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The Backdoor Draft and Pat Tillman as SI Sportsman of the Year
Johnny Walker Red has a great little story about his friend upset about her Dad getting caught up in the so-called
backdoor draft. It's understandable that many mothers and daughters of those called up from Reserve or National Guard units are upset. Rarely, however, do we hear complaints from the men and women serving our country.
In my view, the men and women of our National Guard and Reserve are more like Pat Tillman than Michael Moore. Pat Tillman, as you may recall, walked away from a 3.6 million dollar contract from the Arizona Cardinals after 9/11 to join his brother in the U.S. Army. Earlier this year Tillman was killed in Afghanistan. My experience has been that those who serve our nation in a part-time capacity never flinch, never complain, and are happy to go fight when Uncle Sam calls them. Most may not leave a career in NFL football, but they do leave their jobs, families, and friends behind to protect our country at home and abroad when asked. For their service we are thankful.
Blackfive, SondraK, Right on Red, Pierre Legrande and others have noted that Sports Illustrated is taking votes on Sportsman of the Year. Pat Tillman is on the short list, but is running third. Please go and vote for him here. Tillman gave his life for the country he loved. Now lets do something for him.
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Thanks for the links, and thanks for helping to get the word out, Rusty.
Posted by: Johnny Walker Red at November 26, 2004 10:54 AM (n17oq)
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Firstly I have to say regarding Pat Tillman.He is an example to every1 all over the world.No one in their life would leave such a career to join the army.Hat's off to him.May his soul RIP.
But I have a question. Are army people who are killed/lamed by friendly fire treated the same as those by enemy fire.From what news received was that he was killed by a friendly fire incident. If that the case will he be entilted for this post.
Point to discuss
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Who gives a damn whether he got killed by the enemy or friendly fire? The point is that he gave up fame and fortune to FIGHT for the cause, and to me, he is a hero, whether he would have died or NOT.
Posted by: Laura at November 28, 2004 04:03 PM (ptOpl)
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I think it's absolutely horrendous the way Tillman's nobility has been obliterated once it was revealed he was killed by friendly fire. The cover up has been totally pervasive. One minute he's an A-grade hero and the next - silence. Disgusting, pathetic cover-up. I had hoped it would've been a signal for protests against the way soldiers are still being killed by their own men, instead, nobody wants to know. The fact is, it HAS made a difference. Instead of a hero, he's a suppressed embarrassment, and he deserved better - ALL soldiers deserve better. Haven't they enough to worry about without adding the constant risk death from their own bullets? Maybe I should buy a cardinal red jersey with a #40, bulletholes and "FREINDLY FIRE" across the top.
Posted by: Michael D. Williams at March 08, 2005 06:34 PM (EI5MV)
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November 25, 2004
As God As My Witness...
I thought Turkeys could fly...
In the wayback machine we have the famous WKRP in Cinncinatti Thankgiving Turkey Drop, courtesy About.com.
Happy Thanksgiving, All!!
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Let us put aside our differences to wish each other a Happy and safe Thanksgiving.
Cease fire, for one day!
xo,
Laura
Posted by: Laura at November 25, 2004 01:21 PM (ptOpl)
Posted by: Brian B at November 25, 2004 11:08 PM (Mg1Kn)
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Wasn't WKRP great! I loved that episode!
Posted by: Patty-Jo at November 26, 2004 12:29 AM (j7vjZ)
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If Dan Rather could just have come to grips with the fact that he was the model for Les Nessman, so much suffering could have been avoided.
"Oh, the humanity!"
Posted by: TC-LeatherPenguin at November 26, 2004 01:36 AM (kiH79)
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And Brokaw's quittin' too, I read.
Posted by: Laura at November 26, 2004 11:56 AM (ptOpl)
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Rather got cuaght lying on nation wide TV but dont ever expect the news media to ever change its ways i mean they will just continue to lie about it all just like what NBCs program DATELINE did back in 1993 with GM pick-ups and with another incedent with fish death cuased by logging in idaho and it was all a lie in the logging incedent NBC film acualy in MONTANA and then theres ABC and FOODLION as well as CBS and 60 minutes its time for a conressional investigation of the whole news service and that includes broadcast and print as well
Posted by: sandpiper at November 29, 2004 03:23 PM (d9CHh)
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November 24, 2004
Thanksgiving Photos of Georgina Verbaan's Boobs
On this day, I am grateful for
Georgina Verbaan's boobs. Below are pictures, photos, and images of Dutch model Georgina Verbaan's boobs.
* (SFW--it's not what you think) Happy Thanksgiving all! See you on Friday.
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Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 24, 2004 04:13 PM (JQjhA)
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Yeah, I was thinking about posting pics of my boobs and now, you've come along and let the air out of my sails. :-)
Posted by: dick at November 24, 2004 05:20 PM (hu9UN)
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Hey...we're just doing our best to bring all the real news out to all the folks who are keepin' it real! Glad you stopped by.
Posted by: Kin at November 25, 2004 07:38 AM (MXgCT)
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Biographical Sketches of Terrorist Leaders in Fallujah
I just found this Knight Ridder report in the
San Jose Mercury News. It lists the names of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's chief lieutenants and collaboraters in Fallujah. I also found some other stories which gave brief biographical sketches of the leaders of the Islamist insurgency. Very interesting. The leaders mentioned below are: Sheik Abdullah al-Janabi, Omar Hadid, Sheik Zafir al-Ubaidi, Moayed Ahmed Yasseen (aka, Abu Ahmed), and Abu Abdullah Hassan bin Mahmud.
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Very interesting stuff.......it good to know that these evil shits have name's too...........any chance of an address
Posted by: Delboy at November 25, 2004 09:03 AM (FalJ3)
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Four More Arrested in Jakarta Bombing Plot
My only question:
shouldn't the cops have let them detonate those suicide belts? VOA:
Police in Indonesia have confirmed the capture of one of the country's most wanted terrorist suspects. The man, known as Rois is one of four people detained for the September car bombing of the Australian Embassy in Jakarta, which killed 11 people.
Iwan Darmawan, more commonly known as Rois, is among four men Indonesian police say they have captured in connection with the September 9, Australia Embassy bombing in Jakarta.
The head of Indonesia's police force, General Da'i Bachtiar, held a news conference Wednesday.
He says that Rois - the mastermind - recruited suicide bomber Heri Golun, who carried out the attack, and hid a man called Azahari Husin - the master bomb maker of the terrorist group Jemaah Islamiyah.
General Bachtiar says Rois and the others were captured in the town of Bogor in west Java two weeks ago. He says the four suspects were wearing so-called suicide belts at the time, but they failed to detonate the devices.
Also:
John Little
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Well we would be better off if they did detonate the belts BUT you never know with a little old fashion interrogation they may be able to gather some intelligence in regards to future attacks.
Posted by: Dave at November 25, 2004 08:38 AM (WICUl)
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"Eh you, that aint a suicide belt now, is it really?"
"Seriously? I don't believe you, go on, prove it!"
"What, you need some batteries? "Wait there I'll getcha some."
Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at November 25, 2004 04:51 PM (04TFv)
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Rebranding the Democratic Party
Rob from Say Anything sent me
this link today. We here at The Jawa Report would never sink to the level of
making fun of Oliver Willis! We
do not approve. But in the spirit of helping our friends in the Democratic Party recoup from their sorrowful loss, we do suggest you mosy on over to the
Tempus Fugit's new
Rebrand Democrats Site and suggest a new slogan or two for the Democrats.
Here's my favorite. Kevin Aylward, on the other hand,
likes this one. Laurence Simon
likes this one. And not to be outdone,
John Henke adds his
two bits here. I'm sure the problem with the Democratic party is simply one of image and that after a little rebranding the American people will no longer look at them like a bunch of whiny little bitches. But that's just me.
Go create your own DNC poster here.
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Whinny little bitches? Hmmmm. That one may stick.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 24, 2004 07:33 PM (XioYD)
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I had a few posted last night, too. I couldn't resist!
Posted by: Jimmie at November 24, 2004 08:58 PM (taP30)
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Dont ever expect the demacrats to reform their too much unser the influance of all that money from trial lawyers,hollywood leftists,eco-wackos,and others why do you think KERRY was so hevely promoted by the liberal news media?
Posted by: sandpiper at November 26, 2004 08:20 AM (n3tSW)
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I suggest this new slogan for the Democrats to use. "Democrats: Together, we can become France".
Posted by: Tom Gumprecht, M.D. at October 30, 2005 09:38 PM (UwGJW)
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