May 30, 2005
Religion of Peace Update: Remember the Alamo Edition
Got a link to a Religion of Peace inspired story? Just send it my way or leave a trackback.
Right: Those 'moderate' Shias misunderstanding their own religion once again by preparing an adultress to be stoned to death by first burying her. More on Iran at this Front Page article. (Hat tip: Ron)
Religion of 'beheadings are not Islamic' watch: Baptist minister beheaded in 'moderate' Muslim country. (Hat tip: Robert Spencer)
Zarqawi, like Elvis, is everywhere. Zaraqi hiding out in village north of Baghdad? No, Zarqawi still alive and in Iran. Knock on wood. (Hat tip: Andrew Cochran)
Tiny minority of extremists riot against cheese-eating-surrender-monkeys.
Hot infidels get 20 years for Mary-J smuggling while terrorist masterminds get 3 for murdering hundreds in this 'Moderate' Islamic state.
Troops deployed to protect Christians from misunderstanderers of the Religion of Peace.
That's 'Lebanese' election, not lesbian...
Sunnis decide to kill Zarqawi minions. Zarqawi is doomed, DOOMED, DOOMED!
Two 'Mennonites' indicted in al Qaeda conspiracy. (Hat tip: Robert Spencer)
The Bush Doctrine explained to Leftists.
Bride gang-raped in retaliation for her brother's infidelity. Do you think this hapened in Texas? (hat tip: Capitalist Infidel)
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Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at May 30, 2005 01:07 PM (xkIHW)
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Rusty,
how can you be so sure they were mennonites? Haven't the Amish been particularly feisty as of late?
Posted by: Carlos at May 30, 2005 01:46 PM (8e/V4)
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>>>"Hot infidels get 20 years for Mary-J smuggling while terrorist masterminds get 3 for murdering hundreds in this 'Moderate' Islamic state."
More proof that there's no reason at all why we shouldn't target every single islamic country on the planet with our nukes.
Posted by: Carlos at May 30, 2005 01:58 PM (8e/V4)
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Well, I'm not exactly 'down' with nuking anybody---call it my Western sensibilities for respect for individual human life--but neither am I under any illusion that these countries are our friends. They are merely allies of convenience.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at May 30, 2005 02:30 PM (JQjhA)
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Rusty,
we didn't nuke the Soviets, but it was a really good idea to make them think we would at a moment's notice.
Posted by: Carlos at May 30, 2005 02:43 PM (8e/V4)
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Yeah, no country wants to be real friends with the big, bad, mean rascal picking on smaller countries that kick it in the ass and run. They just want protection and don't understand it makes them targets for the countries fighting the rascal.
Posted by: A fatwad Finn at May 30, 2005 02:43 PM (lGolT)
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at May 30, 2005 02:44 PM (JQjhA)
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Yup, no one here will ever agree with me. Well, greg occasionally, but apparently he's not a very respected character. Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn, 23:45...
Posted by: A fatwad Finn at May 30, 2005 03:45 PM (lGolT)
Posted by: IM at May 30, 2005 03:53 PM (a9tRx)
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>>>"Hot infidels get 20 years for Mary-J smuggling while terrorist masterminds get 3 for murdering hundreds in this 'Moderate' Islamic state."
Don't buy any goods from Indonesia or support their tourist industry.
This is a country run by pigs who greedily accept charity from the west but treat us with contempt.
Posted by: Cliff at May 30, 2005 07:23 PM (QKZX5)
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"Tiny minority of extremists riot against cheese-eating-surrender-monkeys."
Is there one, even
one French territory that isn't effed up?
A Finn,
It appears you've been hanging around here long enough to figure out that as long as you keep berating us, even in a fashion less annoying than Greg, determined to show us your intellectual superiority, you're not going to get any converts. You can tout the benefits of social-ism and however you do things over there all you want. Has it occurred to you that any number of us may simply reject some of your ideas? Because I can direct you to a few blogs and sites out there that will give you that pat-on-the-back if you so desire.
I have no problem with someone interjecting with their viewpoint. Just don't
expect that others are going to agree with you because you think you've got it all figured out and we're just too dumb to see it.
Posted by: Oyster at May 31, 2005 09:54 AM (fl6E1)
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lol, So now finn is suddenly a socialist.
I think not.
Posted by: Annoying centrist (IM) at May 31, 2005 10:17 AM (BVlN5)
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Centrism rulz! It just needs a sosialist twist to keep the "poor" people happy. Yes yes, many (most?) of you reject some (most?) of my ideas and ways of doing things, fine by me.
Posted by: A fatwad Finn at May 31, 2005 11:13 AM (lGolT)
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Finn, it's not that we reject your ideas, it's just that you have none. You make about as much sense as a football bat most of the time. You seem fairly intelligent, but you're too young and have no experience of the world, so you have no standing with us, as most of us are twice your age I would guess. Don't take it personally, but in twenty years, if you have gotten out and seen some of this great, dirty, wonderful, dangerous world we live in, you may understand.
Oh, another thing, when America has to invade Europe, again, to save you from barbarian hordes, again, try to remember that "we told you so".
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at May 31, 2005 06:07 PM (0yYS2)
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We seem to be in the barbarian hordes side usually (sided with Mongols when they offer us half the loot from Novgorod, bribed people to get rid of Sweden and go to Napoleons side, with Germans in both WWs), so you would probably be fighting us as well, not saving.
Yeah, I do make as much sense as a football bat, but even a football bat could be a good idea if you think out side the box for a long time. You don't need to follow the rules of the game just because you're used to seeing the game played in a certain way. That kind of thinking prevents the games evolving. Or create your own game based on the good parts of old games.
Posted by: A fatwad Finn at June 01, 2005 04:03 AM (cWMi4)
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Hmm... I'll make my own idea of how the game of politics should be played right now:
Wars:
- always assassinate when dictators appear
- get approval from UN to invade the assumeably chaotic country that lost it's dictator as peacekeepers
- make sure the people you're invading think you're running things better and with less casualties than the dictator did to avoid resistance
- rebuild fancy, replace their old leaders with your people and you've got yourself a nice colony
Politics:
- switch to an economy dominated by services, power plants, research and managing your countrys companys abroad
- spend time and money in making sure your production facilities abroad are worker safe and free of questionable issues, get loads of publicity to this so you don't have to help underdeveloped African countries, that will cost way more
- have only a minimal relation with the big country, this gets you in good relations with the rest of the countries, especially those completely reliant on it (lucretive business opportunity: paying the same it pays, but offering more of the trade price to their governments)
- if your people are happy, laugh at the people saying things aren't that great in your country, if not, make sure everyone thinks you're paying the changes needed from your own pocket
- make 5-year contracts about what you produce and what others produce for you with other countries, offers economic stability and makes money less important
- make sure to change the laws so that the same guy can run for president as many times as he wants after you've made the people happy
Crime:
- use prisons as factories (extremely lowcost workers), change speeding tickets and less-than-years in jail into community service (more lowcost workers), don't make downloading copyrighted movies and music made in the big country with which you have minimal relations illegal (happy entertained regular cost workers)
- raise penalties for crimes targeted towards your people (feeling of security)
Social security:
- pay way more to people who work to an older age, so people work too long and retire so close to death you don't have to pay 'em much
- make rehabilitation nonvoluntary after more than a year of addiction or drinking, since people with messed up lives cost a lot and don't pay taxes
- monopolize alcohol and medication industries
- make health care better, bigger and more advanced, so the old peoples votes guarantee your victory
Freedom of speech:
- make sure all things written against you get edited to a ridiculously offensive and anti-your-countryan, so that the people writing those look like idiots
- have people crashing sites writing against you in the internet, but only exactly after they insult some other country on their site, preferrably the big country, so they will certainly be blamed
- fund TV and radio, so they aren't at least against you, even if they will be trouble
Education:
- try to have as little social studies as possible, since young people discussing about politics often tend to concentrate on things others don't want to say out loud and comparisons between you, Hitler and Stalin will stay in their minds for a long time
- make sure they teach religion same way in grade school as they do in higher levels of education, because the deception uncovered after the grade schools 'Jesus good, Christians peaceful'-nonsense makes people link things in your rule
Posted by: A fatwad Finn at June 01, 2005 05:17 AM (cWMi4)
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Maybe it's the
Gyromitra esculenta talking, but that seemed better the second time I read it, so I'm going to start quoting this as my political agenda for my future legal tyranny.
Posted by: A fatwad Finn at June 01, 2005 08:31 AM (lGolT)
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May 24, 2005
Religion of Peace Update
By Matt from WMD:
Moderate Muslims don't seem all that interested in defending the Religion of Peace as a religion of peace and attack those who do.
From the Washington Times:
Though met by modest crowds, the recent first-ever Free Muslims March Against Terrorism could be considered a success in one key respect: It further exposed the unwillingness of most major Muslim groups to condemn the radicals that have come to dominate their religion.
It also further cemented the growing reputation of organizer Kamal Nawash, head of the Free Muslims Coalition (FMC), as one of the only genuine moderate leaders of a national Islamic organization.
While I don't expect every Muslim to go to rallies like this one, it would be nice to hear condemnation of terrorist attacks whenever and wherever they happen. At worst, it would be seen as a good public relations move; at best, such action would deter further attacks.
Do I expect it to happen? Not with these people calling the shots for the Religion of Peace...
Groups like Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) have a track record of condemning — but only targets like the Fox television show "24," which they blasted earlier this year for having terrorists who were Muslims.
Never mind that CAIR officials have refused to condemn Hamas and Hezbollah when asked to do so by The Washington Post and others, describing questions about the terrorist groups as a "game." And MPAC maintains, for example, that the Hezbollah murder of 241 Americans in Lebanon in 1983 was not a terrorist attack.
These people don't understand the problem they face...but do they really want peace? I don't think so...
Although not shy about badmouthing Mr. Nawash and FMC, CAIR and MPAC largely stayed silent regarding the rally. But CAIR was careful to refer people seeking comment about the rally to Hussein Ibish, former communications director at the Arab-American Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC), who used to work in the same office as Mr. Nawash years ago.
Mr. Ibish has been on a tear of late, writing two rambling smear pieces on his former co-worker. In one, he labeled Mr. Nawash "unsavory" and called his efforts to condemn radical Islam in the same breath as terrorism "appalling." This is a marked contrast to how he responds to fellow Muslims who call for "jihad" and "Death to America."
Appearing on CNN in August 2002, Mr. Ibish was asked about a 1991 fund-raising letter from suspected (and indicted) terrorist Sami al-Arian that read, in part, "Jihad is our path! Victory to Islam! Death to Israel and victory to Islam! Revolution, revolution until victory! Rolling, rolling to Jerusalem!"
His response? " 'Death to Israel' does not necessarily mean violence. Jihad can mean a lot of things," he explained. Without explanation, Mr. Ibish abruptly — and bizarrely — switched the topic. "I'll tell you who is advocating violence. It is Harvard professor Alan Dershowitz, who advocated torturing people."
These are the kinds of people that are their spokesmen. And the message isn't one of peace, no matter how you define it.
[The Muslim-American Society (MAS)] is the most ardent advocate of the United States forging closer ties with the Muslim Brotherhood, the worldwide Islamist organization that has served as the theological inspiration for many of today's leading terrorists. Muslim Brotherhood's main goal is to create Islamic states around the world.
The kinds of Islamic states that Muslim Brotherhood and MAS would create, ironically, would be most inhospitable to someone like Mr. Ibish, who loves both wine and women. Though he does not shower praise on Islamist organizations, Mr. Ibish rarely criticizes them. Targets of his wrath, in fact, are almost always the enemies of the Islamists whom he should consider his enemies.
Were Mr. Ibish to change course and attack rabid Islamists rather than defend them, his stock among Muslim leaders would plummet. Such is the culture of conformity that punishes the likes of Mr. Nawash, while Mr. Ibish and other secular defenders of venomous Islamists thrive.
Read that last paragraph again. That tells me all I need to know...
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More confirmation of the self-evident.
Posted by: Carlos at May 24, 2005 08:45 AM (8e/V4)
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Yes, yes, fanatic Muslims are suicidal, blind and think as masses when it comes to defending what they think is right for them.
Posted by: A Finn at May 24, 2005 02:39 PM (lGolT)
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Considering the number of members of CAIR and other like-minded groups that have been arrested for terrorist activities, it certainly is surprising that they boycotted the March Against Terrorism!
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May 20, 2005
Female Afghan 'Veejay' Murdered
(Kabul, Afghanistan) After the fall of the Taliban, Shaima Rezayee, 24, immediately discarded her burkha and became a video journalist for Kabul's answer to MTV. In this capacity, she hosted an hour-long music and chat show airing videos of Western singers which outraged conservative Muslims. Two months ago, Rezayee was fired due to pressure from Islamic mullahs. This week, she was
murdered in her home by an unknown assailant. The killing is believed to be linked to her time as a veejay.
Obviously, living in a democracy doesn't automatically guarantee freedom of expression.
Companion post at Interested-Participant.
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You know what's even more sick? Her family is suspected in aiding and possibly even executing the murder.
Posted by: Editor at May 20, 2005 05:55 PM (adpJH)
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Martha Quinn will avenge her death. May a stink not unlike a newborn's formula based feces diaper infest the killers tent.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at May 20, 2005 05:58 PM (4/Io9)
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Women.Children.Old folks.How sad that human life is so cheap
to these monsters. Just business as usual for Muslims.No wait,
it must be George Bushs fault! No wait...........nevermind
M.W.
Posted by: MIGHTY WHITEY at May 20, 2005 06:48 PM (/RwqY)
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Someone should get this story to Adam Curry.
Posted by: Eric J at May 20, 2005 07:38 PM (5PRM2)
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May 18, 2005
Religion of 'Peace' Update
From the
Epoch Times:
DUBAI - Al Qaeda's leader in Iraq defended the killing of "innocent Muslims" in suicide bombings against U.S. forces, saying it was legitimate under Islam for the sake of jihad (Holy War), according to an audio tape attributed to him.
"The killing of infidels by any method including martyrdom (suicide) operations has been sanctified by many scholars even if it meant killing innocent Muslims. This legality has been agreed upon ... so as not to disrupt Jihad," Abu Musab al-Zarqawi said on the tape posted on an Islamist Web site on Wednesday.
I am just stunned by this admission that it's okie-day to be killing their own, let alone our guys...
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Why are you stunned? I'm more stunned that you're stunned (nothing personal, of course). We're dealing with dogs, here.
Posted by: Editor at May 18, 2005 12:45 PM (adpJH)
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Everytime I read shit like this, I am again stunned that it is not on the front page of the goddam New York Times. WHY isn't the country being told, loud and clear, about the psychotics we are dealing with? Can you imagine if religious leaders in this country were posting official announcements that it was "ok" to kill Muslims because, after all, they are NOTHING BUT HEATHENS?
Posted by: Scott in CA at May 18, 2005 01:06 PM (ZqePS)
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Editor: I'm stunned because all I keep hearing about from our media is the moderates in Islam. Where are the outcries from them? Do they condone this sort of language? What is the official position from CAIR? Why isn't the media asking these questions instead of some blogger?
Scott is right...this story isn't being told and it really needs to be shouted out.
Posted by: Matt Hurley at May 18, 2005 01:11 PM (vQcWL)
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Uh oh, I'm stunned again. How can anyone be stunned at the "deafening silence" of the media and Isalam's apologists? It's their only modus operandi. I'm not criticizing you in the least bit, but there's really nothing stunning about it. This is old news. It's why YOU'RE IN THE BLOGOSPHERE and so many are searching for their news in the 'Sphere.
Posted by: Editor at May 18, 2005 01:19 PM (adpJH)
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Don't get me wrong, I fully expect the meida to continue to ignore this story. My surprise comes from the fact that there are so many out here in the blogosphere, I continue to be amazed that the MSM still wants the competition...and clearly they want the compettition or they'd do a better job of the news.
Posted by: Matt Hurley at May 18, 2005 01:24 PM (vQcWL)
Posted by: Howie at May 18, 2005 01:57 PM (D3+20)
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Why are you stunned? This came from Zarqawi after all. Many muslims have decried the killing of innocents. Attributing this evil to the entire religion is off the mark.
Posted by: greg at May 18, 2005 02:35 PM (/+dAV)
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I'm stunned because there have been no moderate uprising against these thugs. If Islam really is a religion of peace, then you would think Muslims all over the world would stand against these terrorists. Why haven't they done so? I don't have that answer, that's why I ask...and that is why I am stunned.
Posted by: Matt Hurley at May 18, 2005 02:47 PM (vQcWL)
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THey are animals. Nothing more.
Posted by: Kit Jarrell at May 18, 2005 03:08 PM (gyFpw)
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Kit, you're an animal. Nothing more.
Posted by: greg at May 18, 2005 03:31 PM (/+dAV)
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"Many muslims have decried the killing of innocents."
--greg
Yeah, here's a picture of them:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=15853#comments
Notice their massive numbers.
Posted by: Carlos at May 18, 2005 05:07 PM (8e/V4)
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Don't be stunned! Why should you be?
Don't be stunned! Why should you be? Shake it off and do something to help. Spread the word. Here's an excerpt from a piece on our blog:
IRAN - The Tipping Point (Nuclear)
This war will not be won on the battlefield alone. We must unite both left and right to crush this new enemy that seeks to destroy us. The support of a united America and the free world is critical. There can be no appeasement for fanatical tyrants, who rule by fear, torture, genocide, deceit, and perversion of culture and religion to remain in power. Islamofascism must be crushed as a failed ideology lest its charismatic leaders continue to draw new recruits with the BIG LIES. The free world will no longer tolerate, “Final Solutions.” This is a war of ideology and culture, the free will of men, and GOOD vs. EVIL.
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The Blogos has replaced the MSM as the relevant source of objective news/info of the day. This revolution has been quietly preceding for sometime. As Hugh Hewitt suggests in “Blog, this transformational process is as profound as that of Martin Luther’s time and the Reformation. With the advent of moveable type and the printing press, the religious elite could no longer control, interpret, and filter news and information. The people were now free to interpret the religious, political, and scientific thought of the day. Religious and political leaders were suddenly challenged and critiqued by the people.
Read More
Posted by: Ron Wright at May 18, 2005 08:29 PM (cnGEJ)
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Rumor, Consequence, and Responsibility
Although we've never met, John Burgess at Crossroads Arabia and the Hyscience crew have been blogging and commenting back and forth for so long that I think of him as a friend, a friend I often disagree with, but one that I enjoy exchanging ideas with and one whose knowledge and ideas I value. However, in his "
Rumor & Consequence" as has been the case before, I find much to agree with and almost as much to disagree with. I believe that John's commentary attributes too much blame on gross intolerance and xenophobia while avoiding what I believe is the real issue which I come back to below - the
800 pound gorilla in the living room, not Newsweek's stupid mistake and escape from journalistic standards and reason(and being all too quick and content to discredit our military and the administration) or gross intolerance and xenophobia, but the reaction of the Muslim world to the Newsweek article. The Islamists need to be held accountable for their violence, murder, mindless tantrums, and childish mindset. Like dogs on a leash, they dance to the tune of hate and cleric-instigated violence.
John writes in his piece:
"The atrocities of Abu Ghraib—and those alleged to have taken place at Guantanamo—are just that: atrocities. They are horrors both because of what they were in themselves as well as what they said about our self-image as a country."
I, on the other hand, on the matter of abuse, ask what acts are more barbaric, horrifying, appalling, brutal, wicked, abominable, and cruel(all refer to the quality or state of being atrocious), the kind of acts attributed to Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib, or raping women, sawing off heads, and shooting people in the back of the head with their hands tied behind them(all acts committed by Islamic terrorists and insurgents)? Which set of mindless acts indeed rise to the zenith of abuse? Given the choice of having my head sawed off or stripped naked by women, blood smeared on me, pictures taken of me naked and on a leash held by a sick guard(worse things happen in college and even high school hazing rituals every year) I think that I would choose any of the these except having my head sawed off. Which would you choose? And which is more atrocious? But where is the media outcry over the truly attrocious acts conducted by the terrorists and the insurgents? Answer - it's directed at America.
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This is right on the money. Muslims act like spoiled brat children and should be treated as such. I've known for a long time that there are many cultures around the world who are incapable of civil behavior, and Arabs are one such group. I believe they are happiest when they have a boot on their collective neck.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at May 18, 2005 12:11 PM (0yYS2)
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The point isn't that beheadings and stuff aren't terrible. The point is that if we're going to hold ourselves up as paragons of virtue, then we can't measure ourselves using the standards of the terrorists. It's not a case of "If we're not as bad as them, then we're good by comparison, so we're doing fine."
Posted by: Fargus at May 18, 2005 12:55 PM (NX1F9)
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This obsession with Abu Ghraib is the mark of a serious mental confusion. We are currently fighting what is probably the cleanest war in history - and these guys are all aswoon over what are in context trivial incidents.
This is an obsessive compulsive behavior.
Posted by: Robin Roberts at May 19, 2005 12:02 AM (xauGB)
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"I, on the other hand, on the matter of abuse, ask what acts are more barbaric...."
That old saying, "Two wrongs don't make a right", springs to mind.
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May 16, 2005
Afghan Clerics DonÂ’t Trust Newsweek Retraction
Quite fortuitously, Chad at inTheBullPen has a post that's a good match for my previous diatribe on the Muslim culture and mindset. Chad posts that, "Despite the fact that Newsweek has said their report concerning the alleged flushing of the Koran was erroneous, the same Islamic clerics who want the interrogators shipped to an Islamic country for trial now say they do not believe NewsweekÂ’s retraction. Shocking? It shouldnÂ’t be."
“We will not be deceived by this,” Islamic cleric Mullah
Sadullah Abu Aman told Reuters in the northern Afghan province of
Badakhshan, referring to the magazineÂ’s retraction.
“This is a decision by America to save itself. It comes because of American pressure. Even an ordinary illiterate peasant understands this and
won’t accept it.”
Chad notes that "this comes not only from a group already believing the United States is in a war against Islam, something the MSM and several Left-leaning politicians and pundits advance ‘unwittingly’, but it also comes from people that only have the slightest clue of what a free press is. The lack of understanding that Newsweek is not controlled by the government is partially responsible for the same non-believing that a retraction was not pushed by the Bush administration."
Chad's take on the Muslim culture and mindset is much kinder than my own, but having previously written that the mindless, tantrum-like violence sparked by the false story has shown us the true face of the Islamic culture today - the face of a sick and violence-prone society, enveloped and characterized more by hate than by love of God and humanity, and badly in need of reform, I'll just leave it at that. If the entire situation wasn't so damned dangerous and have such grave repercussions, the Muslims as a people and their reactions to the non-event would be laughable.
Cross posted at Hyscience
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Newsweek Got Gitmo Right
http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=5959
“Contrary to White House spin, the allegations of religious desecration at Guantanamo published by Newsweek on May 9, 2005, are common among ex-prisoners and have been widely reported outside the United States. Several former detainees at the Guantanamo and Bagram prisons have reported instances of their handlers sitting or standing on the Koran, throwing or kicking it in toilets, and urinating on it. Prior to the Newsweek article, the New York Times reported a Guantanamo insider asserting that the commander of the facility was compelled by prisoner protests to address the problem and issue an apology.”
Posted by: greg at May 16, 2005 11:39 AM (/+dAV)
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I really think Holy Quran novelty toilet paper would sell big right now...man if I just had some money...should it be soft or kinda rough?
Posted by: Mr. K at May 16, 2005 11:49 AM (9XmE5)
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Afghan clerics only trust Newsweek when it makes the U.S. look bad, just like Liberals.
Posted by: Carlos at May 16, 2005 12:37 PM (8e/V4)
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I'll use the toilet paper if it's got quotes on it from Greg, too.
Posted by: Editor at May 16, 2005 12:41 PM (adpJH)
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You should tamp your mouth with it, shit for brains.
Posted by: greg at May 16, 2005 01:57 PM (/+dAV)
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That's the ticket, Greg. I'm going to put that one right in the suggestion box. Perfet!
Posted by: Editor at May 16, 2005 03:00 PM (adpJH)
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Since the Afghan clerics didn't call for the death penalty for the Taliban who destroyed two millenia old sculptures of Buddha, they can all go stuff themselves as hypocrites like Greg.
The muslim world has an ugly history of desecration. When they grow up, people might pay attention to them. Again, like greg.
Posted by: Robin Roberts at May 16, 2005 03:06 PM (xauGB)
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I was thinking of some ad themes, maybe calling it "Jihad" and maybe have a slogan like "extra soft for those times when its Allah uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Ahkbar!" and you can wipe your old Mo with your favorite verse from the Quran!
Posted by: Mr. K at May 16, 2005 03:07 PM (9XmE5)
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I know it' juvenile, but I'm going to express it anyway. Fuck all you muslims.
Posted by: Carlos at May 16, 2005 03:33 PM (8e/V4)
Posted by: a Muslim at May 16, 2005 03:47 PM (/+dAV)
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here's why they hate us so badly...
http://roomforrant.blogspot.com/2005/05/why-they-hate-us-reason-no-1.html
Posted by: Mr. K at May 16, 2005 04:25 PM (9XmE5)
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Mr. K! Dude! A little warning would have been in order. Ewww!
Posted by: Oyster at May 16, 2005 06:16 PM (YudAC)
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The Koran belongs in the toilet, toss it in there take a dump and flush.
Muslims are subanimals, killing them should be depenalized.
Posted by: nukemeccanow at May 16, 2005 06:26 PM (lhxhb)
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I just want the Islamic world to know that the Americans who desecrated the Koran represent only a small part of of the American population, and that they should not judge us all by the actions of a few. (sarcasm by the way)
Posted by: REMF at May 17, 2005 07:34 AM (aLiCo)
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"The Koran belongs in the toilet, toss it in there take a dump and flush.
Muslims are subanimals, killing them should be depenalized. "-nukemeccanow
Does anyone doubt that the Koran has been desecrated on many occasions by our military in full view of prisoners?
NukeMeccaNow shows the true heart of you Zionazis. You believe that brown people are not only subhuman but subanimal. This is a racist war and yet you take advantage of your own Hispanic and Black soldiers. Secretly you feel them to be subhuman too. Filthy White Bitches! Guess what! From a Darwinian perspective they are the fitter segment of the gene pool as they are out breeding us by leaps and bounds.
Posted by: greg at May 17, 2005 09:03 AM (/+dAV)
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Greg's copying out from KKK pamphlets again, I see.
Posted by: Robin Roberts at May 17, 2005 09:17 AM (xauGB)
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Robin has totally lost her ability to reason if she equates my prior post to something a Klansman would say. It was quite to the contrary.
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Islamic Tantrums, Etc.: Newsweek one-line error sparks world-wide riots and violence throughout Muslim world
I've waited several days to post on this, hoping someone else would comment on it - but I guess I'm the only one that considered what has happened across the Muslim world over the past few days as the tantrums of a sick culture. Sure, Newsweek did what the mainstream media does best in a world that places more importance on getting the story out first than on getting the story out right; they researched, wrote a piece, trashed the administration and our country, trashed the reputation of our military, and got the story out to the world - wrongly. Subsequently, sparked by a single paragraph in Newsweek alleging that US military interrogators had desecrated the Koran, a wave of anti-American demonstrations swept the Islamic world from the Gaza Strip to the Java Sea. In the past week it was condemned in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Bangladesh, Malaysia and by the Arab League, and on Sunday, Afghan Muslim clerics threatened to call for a holy war against the United States. Think about it, this is from a sub-population of our planet that refers to themselves as peaceful? What does this say about their culture, their thoughtfulness, their mindset, and their suitability to join in the rest of mankind in making our planet a better place to live ? One can only describe the Islamist's and Muslim's reaction as tantrums - child-like fits, mindless violence, and just plain old lack of class and respect for life and other people's property.
Frankly, I don't give a damned what anyone does to the Koran. My opinion(personal viewpoint - not an expert opinion) is that it is a work of fiction, half-truths, and distorted facts, written by 'who really knows how many people' to control a population, and the toilet is just as good a place for it as a book shelf or night stand. But the toilet episode never occured in the first place, Newsweek got it wrong, the Arab press never bothered to verify the alleged toilet episode any more than did Newsweek, and the mindless, tantrum-like violence sparked by the false story showed all of us the true face of the Islamic culture today - a sick and violence-prone society, enveloped and characterized more by hate than by love of God and humanity, and badly in need of reform.
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While the premise of your argument is correct, it's conclusion is mis-directed.
My opinion, the old media's agenda driven template got them in deep, and people are paying with their lives. I would expect that Isikoff will be fired, and the editor get fired and resign. This is far worse than RatherGate, how many suicide bombers will be recruited based on this made up story. As with Rather, Newsweek wanted to believe it so bad, they just knew it had to be true.
The damage done to the U.S. reputation and progress being made bringing societies into the modern tolerant world is incalculable. An issue has been handed to the Taliban/Jihadis that is far worse that what the old media was able to do with abu-grab. though they tried mightily -- the suicide bombings that will result from this Jihadi recruiting tool is going to take many lives.
Have you considered that it might be better to try and change the Muslim culture than it is to criticize? If you go back in history 30-40 years you will find this new strain of Islamic extremism is a recent phenomena. If you look deep, the people oppressed by these tyranical leaders do not agree with them, and practice a form of Islam that is no worse than modern Christianity. Want proof, just look at some news photos from the 50s and 60s of Muslim countries.
Posted by: 10ksnooker at May 16, 2005 10:26 AM (7evkT)
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Is this a Newsweek Gate or Gitmo Gate?
Frankly, It wouldn't surprise me if they flushed the Koran. I don't give a flip either, but a lot of Muslims do seem to mind..
Newsweek screwed up bigtime, they should really check their sources better..
Posted by: IM at May 16, 2005 10:50 AM (MOpJN)
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Newsweek Got Gitmo Right
http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=5959
“Contrary to White House spin, the allegations of religious desecration at Guantanamo published by Newsweek on May 9, 2005, are common among ex-prisoners and have been widely reported outside the United States. Several former detainees at the Guantanamo and Bagram prisons have reported instances of their handlers sitting or standing on the Koran, throwing or kicking it in toilets, and urinating on it. Prior to the Newsweek article, the New York Times reported a Guantanamo insider asserting that the commander of the facility was compelled by prisoner protests to address the problem and issue an apology.”
Posted by: greg at May 16, 2005 11:02 AM (/+dAV)
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I am no more an expert on Islam than I am an expert on nanotechnology. Both seem equally befuddling, but in my view, the statement--"Islam (a totalitarian ideology less than a century old). The terrorism of al qaeda, Hamas, the Iranian government and other Islamists results from the ideas of such contemporary radicals as Osama bin Laden and Ayatollah Khomeini, not from the Koran."-- simply is not true. Islamic radicalism dates back to the days of Muhammad. The subjugation of women and the unworthy has a fundamental Quranic basis. That religion needs fixing and I mean a top-to-bottom overhaul.
Posted by: Sean the INFDL at May 16, 2005 11:17 AM (ptLBd)
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A prime example of why Rusty's argument about war time censorship is valid. Fake korans maybe, maybe not. Newsweek has done serious damage here. I'm not so much upset about the Koran thing. It is afterall just paper. The koran claims to be a message from the god of the people of the book. Well the book is full of examples of this god hating idol worship. If you ask me kneeling toward mecca and praying to that box in the center is just that, idol worship. If the koran is a message from God then why does it direct behavior that God hates. Prince of Lies inspired it that's why.
Posted by: Howie at May 16, 2005 11:25 AM (YdcZ0)
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Muslims should be ashamed of themselves.
Christians and Jews would never stoop to this behaviour, but I guess it's what we've come to expect from Muslims.
Certainly Liberals would condemn such behaviour from Christians and Jews, but not from Muslims. Liberals don't have very high expectations of their little brown multi-culti pets.
Posted by: Carlos at May 16, 2005 12:40 PM (8e/V4)
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I had decided to reserve comment on this particular aspect of the incident until the release of a Flash game I started work on yesterday. It's called "Can the Koran" (I plan to resist the more islamo-friendly "Q'ran"), you can likely infer the purpose but it will allow the player to use the pages of that particular piece of deranged fiction in all manner of ways, only one of which would be flushing.
Perhaps I can get my Fatwah then?
Posted by: GoldFalcon at May 16, 2005 12:59 PM (5xFFG)
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Greg is fond of sources that are anti-American in basic ideology and which have expressly adopted the lie as their core rhetorical tactic. Greg is allied with the enemies of the United States. Greg knows who he is most comfortable with.
Posted by: Robin Roberts at May 16, 2005 01:42 PM (xauGB)
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Ahhhh, shut yer trap, Robin.
Posted by: greg at May 16, 2005 01:50 PM (/+dAV)
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No, greg. I won't. Threats to people who say things that are uncomfortable to you is the hallmark of the little jackboot tyrant we all know you are.
Greg probably masturbated to each video of afghans burning US flags.
Posted by: Robin Roberts at May 16, 2005 03:07 PM (xauGB)
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Robin is a naughty little girl!
Posted by: greg at May 16, 2005 03:17 PM (/+dAV)
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These dirtbags are looking for any excuse. They burn my country's flag and harbor terrorists that attack us and they are all upset by someone allegedly flushing a Koran? I'll flush your Koran, and I will wife my gorgeous butt with it first!! You want respect? Earn it! You don't get my respect by opressing half your population and burning the flag of my country, for that you get my undying contempt and my government gets every bit of my support for trying to remove you and those of your ilk from the planet.
Posted by: Teri Davis at May 16, 2005 03:19 PM (8JBAv)
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"and I will wife my gorgeous butt with it first!!"-Teri Davis
Teri, got any pics?
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Posted by: traderrob at May 16, 2005 07:47 PM (3al54)
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Sean the INFDL needs to read a little more history. The origin of Islam actually gave women more rights than they had under the prevailing cultural practices. It also gave them more political rights than they held in Europe until the 19th & 20th Centuries.
It wasn't until the early 1970s that France allowed women to open their own bank accounts. And Switzerland franchised all Swiss women in the same time period--prior to that, several cantons did not permit women to vote.
Posted by: John Burgess at May 16, 2005 11:04 PM (7HZOv)
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"It wasn't until the early 1970s that France allowed women to open their own bank accounts."
what a load of crap. Makes me wonder about the rest of your post.
Posted by: Carlos at May 16, 2005 11:13 PM (8e/V4)
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Well, I think this issue shows some contradictions of the current US politics. When you speak freely you admit that you hate muslims and the Quran. It's not a think to be ashamed of: after all, you see them as your enemy.
At the same time, you try very hard not to make this hate too explicit. You try to convince muslims that you're not against their religion. While the truth is that - besides the many different facets of Islam - the Quran is the foundation of everything in Islam Countries, so Islam IS really now your enemy.
I'm not judging here: this is a matter of fact. Your very comments show this. Even not considering your religious beliefs (many of you are Christian and (legimately) think that your religions is the only one 'right' religion, just from a politic/military point of view, Islam is your enemy.
So, I can't know if what Newsweek wrote was true. I think it's very likely it was true. After all, it looks like US intelligence is using every means to make prisoners talk. Being those prisoners Islamic fundamentalists, profaning their Quran will hurt them much more than ant physical torture. I really think it really happened.
But, the problem is, US administration can't afford to be open about this question. Muslims should not and must not know that somebody with an US uniform may have prophaned the Quran. There would be no way to justify this act.
So now you're against Newsweek. It's a good excuse to hit a magazine you don't like. It's a good excuse to criticize free press in time of war (but during WWII US press was allowed to write about US actions against the Nazis... why should this be so different if Islam is really the enemy?)
The hypocrisy is very clear: you can't be against Islam and respectful towards Islam at the same time. One of these attitudes will have to go. Which one would you choice?
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Paul
Only thing i dont agree with in your post is
"Profaning the Quran will hurt them more than any physical
torture"
Religion doesnt bother me, but i seriously doubt ripping up a Bible in front out a devout christian could possibly hurt more than,say,
Chopping someones head off its just not likely.
Posted by: sparky at May 17, 2005 08:29 AM (F1nba)
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>>>"(but during WWII US press was allowed to write about US actions against the Nazis... why should this be so different if Islam is really the enemy?)"
You're an ignoramus. The U.S. press was heavily censored during WWII. They even had an official Office of Press Censorship you fucking moron. Bush is a pussy because he doesn't have the balls to put that seditious pig Izikoff up on charges.
Posted by: Carlos at May 17, 2005 11:02 AM (8e/V4)
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"Bush is a Pussy"-Carlos
On that we can all agree. Is he Jeff Gannon's "pussy"? All those late night stays...
Posted by: greg at May 17, 2005 11:21 AM (/+dAV)
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Carlos,
I've leveled a charge of racism against you at:
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/082178.php
silence is affirmation
Posted by: greg at May 17, 2005 11:26 AM (/+dAV)
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dude, will you PLEASE stop hunting me down on other threads!
LMAO!
I'm a religionist, not a racist. I don't believe in race, only pigmentation.
Posted by: Carlos at May 17, 2005 12:22 PM (8e/V4)
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As a "religionist", don't you understand that you are insulting God by calling Muslims sub-human?
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And you're a racist despite your acrobatics to the contrary.
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"And you're a racist despite your acrobatics to the contrary."
hahaha! that's the best response you could come up with?
Posted by: Carlos at May 17, 2005 02:25 PM (8e/V4)
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As a "religionist", don't you understand that you are insulting God by calling Muslims sub-human?
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By definition, one cannot "desecrate" that which is not sacred.
Even a cursory look at the so-called Koran, reveals a persistant call upon all Islamists to murder all non-islamists, so-called infidels.
The book is not worthy to be called sacred by any stretch of imagination.
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Newsweak
Well, if they didn't lie exactly, as Traderrob points out below, their mistake did lead to murderous riots and widespread unpleasantness. Malkin, with the
roundup.
But, friends, I ask you, should we be so quick to judge?
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yeah, f%$# those motherf*&^ers!!! hang 'em high!
Posted by: Mr. K at May 15, 2005 03:40 PM (6wsg3)
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So
Myers was right. The media is out of control and their bias has killed people.
Posted by: Scott B at May 15, 2005 04:33 PM (y6ZHS)
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I won't believe for one second that they didn't know what such an inflammatory lie would lead to, especially in parts of the world where our troops are in harm's way. I believe that they counted on it, and were only disappointed in the fact that no Americans died in the direct aftermath. Our enemies are many and various, but whether their weapon is an RPG or a shameful lie, they are an enemy nonetheless. All persons involved in this lie should be tried as criminals.
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Seems to me that anyone who reports for a major news media about what is going on in sectors of the globe should at least have a smattering of an idea of what makes them tick. Anyone with a mind should realize that the Muslims consider the Koran to be an integral part of their life and not something to be sneered at. Yet here we have these major reporters and editors putting out a story without ever double checking the facts of it or ever passing it by the source to see if it is correct and it is a story that is guaranteed to cause riots in Muslim countries. Then we get an apology from the magazine after people have died and been maimed that the magazine apologizes to the people who were killed or injured. Sorry, too little and too late.
Then in addition to making a half-hearted apology, they turn around and in a story from Reuters announce that the reporters and editors will not have any action taken against them.
Why then did they bother to apologize at all if they really didn't mean it. I personally think that Newsweek and the reporters and editors involved should have to go to all the countries where the riots occurred, especially Afghanistan, and announce that the story was wrong and it was their fault. Then they should donate a lot of money and aid to the population of the country to try to repair all the damage they have done. That is the least they can do and I don't personally think it even comes close to repairing all the damage they caused the American cause, the Afghani cause or the cause of the WOT in the rest of the world. Snarky comments from them in passing just is not acceptable.
Posted by: dick at May 15, 2005 08:34 PM (NGdOJ)
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Freedom of the press anyone? It was so stated by our founding fathers to keep everyone's actions in check, unless you are Fox news or the NYTimes, biased style... My opinion is, if some motherfucker snaps a picture or video of you doing something fucked up, you better be accountable. Don't shoot the messenger: Regulate or stop whining like a bitch-ass when you're caught with your pants down. Oh, so and so said such and such and now there's hell to pay...pblththth!
Posted by: osamabeenthere at May 15, 2005 10:25 PM (WfZ6a)
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The MSM's hatred for George W. Bush kills people.
Posted by: Carlos at May 15, 2005 11:03 PM (8e/V4)
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The Bush anti-truth reporting propaganda machine strikes again!!
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Duh-bya, Lib-ya sittin' in a tree...
Oily hand jobs aren't free...
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Gambian Muslim Leader: Female Genital Mutilation "An Honor"
Female genital cutting(mutilation or
FGM)is practiced by Muslims and non-Muslims(mostly Muslims - how many Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists or Janists do you know or have ever read of that condone this barbaric procedure?) alike residing mainly in Sub-Saharan Africa in countries that include but are not limited to Egypt, Sudan, Somalia, Ethiopia, Kenya and Chad. A more minor form of the procedure is also performed in some parts of the Middle East and South Asia. Degrees of mutilation exist ranging from excision of the hood of the clitoris or clitoris itself to complete infibulation which involves removal of the clitoris, labia minora and labia majora, leaving a small opening for the passage of urine and menstrual blood.
As you might expect from the description of the procedure, normal sexual intercourse is not possible without a corrective procedure(you can only hope) and childbirth frequently involves severe trauma that can result in life-threatening hemorrhage. Other complications include chronic urinary tract and other infections, infertility, psychological trauma, sexual dysfunction, menstrual problems and several other negative medical and emotional outcomes. The procedure is performed on girls between the ages of infancy and pre-adolescence and is either carried out by a physician, midwife or designated woman from the community. Lack of sterile technique, use of the same instruments on more than one child, and lack of anesthesia all contribute to the complication rate which can even include infection with HIV.
Yet Alhaji Banding Drammeh, president of the Supreme Islamic Council - SIC(great acronym and rather appropriate), says that “FGM is a recommendation of the hadiths of the Prophet. It is an honour for a lady to undergo the practice of FGM.’’ But in fairness, he does say that the practice is optional. That one would hope is the case, and there are probably many women that wish they had never experienced FGM.
Hat tip - Dhimmi Watch
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Interestingly enough, the SIC is all male. They all should set the example by undergoing a penictomy or maybe even a beheading of both types. What an even greater honor.
Posted by: the shadow nose at May 13, 2005 09:47 AM (E8xr7)
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oh, but who are we to judge the little brown people.
/guilt-ridden white Liberal
Posted by: Carlos at May 13, 2005 09:59 AM (8e/V4)
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That practice is optional but a good one because the main reason for "clit shorten ceremony" is to make it possible for female gender to control their sexual stimulation.Now you know the secret.Most people that know sex knows that clit is one part of the women's body easily used to stimulate sexual....Only sex crazy freaks don't agree with that practice!On methods of how to do the surgery(genital cutting),it should be upgraded.One more thing, genital surgery or cutting as you dramaticly put it, it helps to keep the private part CLEAN!
Posted by: m_o at May 13, 2005 09:59 AM (XlYXO)
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m o,
cutting off the helmet of someone's pecker works wonders for controlling the sex drive too. But I won't bet this will become a common practice over there any time soon.
Posted by: Carlos at May 13, 2005 10:03 AM (8e/V4)
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Carlos, your post made me think of my bedtime reading last night. I have two volumes of Kipling next to the bed, and I just happened to open one on the page where "White Man's Burden" began. You are right, and so was he. If the poem were updated to be politically correct, all that would need be changed were three words; "white man" to "civilized person", and "sons" to "children".
Take up the Civilized Person's burden--
Send forth the best ye breed--
Go, bind your children to exile
To serve your captives' need;
To wait, in heavy harness,
On fluttered folk and wild--
Your new-caught sullen peoples,
Half devil and half child.
Take up the Civilized Person's burden--
In patience to abide,
To veil the threat of terror
And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple,
An hundred times made plain,
To seek another's profit
And work another's gain.
Take up the Civilized Person's burden--
The savage wars of peace--
Fill full the mouth of Famine,
And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest
(The end for others sought)
Watch sloth and heathen folly
Bring all your hope to nought.
Take up the Civlized Person's burden--
No iron rule of kings,
But toil of serf and sweeper--
The tale of common things.
The ports ye shall not enter,
The roads ye shall not tread,
Go, make them with your living
And mark them with your dead.
Take up the Civlized Person's burden,
And reap his old reward--
The blame of those ye better
The hate of those ye guard--
The cry of hosts ye humour
(Ah, slowly!) toward the light:--
"Why brought ye us from bondage,
Our loved Egyptian night?"
Take up the Civilized Person's burden--
Ye dare not stoop to less--
Nor call too loud on Freedom
To cloak your weariness.
By all ye will or whisper,
By all ye leave or do,
The silent sullen peoples
Shall weigh your God and you.
Take up the Civlized Person's burden!
Have done with childish days--
The lightly-proffered laurel,
The easy ungrudged praise:
Comes now, to search your manhood
Through all the thankless years,
Cold, edged with dear-bought wisdom,
The judgment of your peers.
May I be forgiven for the blasphemy of altering the words of such as Kipling, but I hope the point is well made. As hated as British colonialism was throughout the Empire, at this late date we can see in retrospect that the nations once governed by the British were far better off then than now. I can think of no better example than Zimbabwe, for one, which has under native rule become one of the most repressive, vicious, rapacious hellholes ever to stain Africa. When it was run by colonials, the people were far better fed, educated, and governed, but the blacks were not fully equal to the whites, so the hand-wringing, enlightened liberals of the West teamed with the savages of Communism to destroy it. Now Zimbabwe, formerly the propserous Rhodesia, is a wasteland, with liberals to thank.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at May 13, 2005 10:51 AM (0yYS2)
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M O ,
You are a moron. I could go on but why waste time on an idiot like you. Like now we know the secret. dumbass. If you are so worried about being tempted by evil women with clitoris' why don't you go and get yourself castrated. After all it is the testes that produce the hormones that make you want to screw women as well as that nasty habbit of pulling on your phallus every night.
Posted by: Howie at May 13, 2005 11:04 AM (D3+20)
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Come on, guys... FGM is an African custom that got absorbed into African Islam. It's not a standard Islamic practice anywhere outside of African influenced regions. It's even a crime in Saudi Arabia.
Posted by: John Burgess at May 13, 2005 12:54 PM (7HZOv)
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John,
it's barbaric no matter if it's African or Islamic.
Posted by: Carlos at May 13, 2005 12:58 PM (8e/V4)
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I always stick to my practice of: don't chop off other people's parts unless it's consensual!
Posted by: vaginal crusader at May 13, 2005 01:16 PM (WfZ6a)
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Tell you what I happen to like seeing womans goods intact. Cutting any part of her is sick, what is next, cutting off nipples so guys won't happen to see the outline of them in a womans shirt? Or will women be compelled to wear cloth bags to hide that feature. I have to wonder about a persons sexuality if they are so afraid of womens' bodies.
Posted by: Andre at May 13, 2005 04:11 PM (mfvPa)
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I will never, ever understand how such a backwards people, who can barely feed what population they have in their home countries now,can reproduce like freakin cockroaches.....i mean, let them continue this practice, if it will somehow lead to their population decreasing
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This practice usually occurs once a woman gets engaged to be married prior to her marriage. Several television shows have brought this savagry to light over the last several years. It is normally done by the eldest woman of the family because the father expects it to be done. The woman or girl could hemmorage to death; it looks like a forcible and mutilating rape (according to doctors here) and the mother will do it with the father watching on. When doctors here realize what it is, they usually find out the mother did not want to do this to their daughter but the father is adament. It's a horrible thing to do to anyone, irregardless of age and is supposed to stop the woman from straying from her marriage partner. It's disgusting and some do not live from it and the nations that practice it should be banned somehow to stop this horrendous mutilation practice. Muslim women in our nation sometimes will be killed by their husbands if they do not do this to their daughters. Everyone of them should be jailed - not the mother's, but the fathers who insist that it be done for they will find someone to do it if the mother or grandmother refuses it. They come here for freedom but carry this burden upon their daughters. It's absolutely disgusting and those mothers that balk against it are in as much danger than the daughter who also refuses it. There has to be a way to stop it here as well as over there. I don't have the answers but I do wish someone would come up with a way to end this torture and mutilation of these young women.
ewwwwwwwww It's been going on for centuries and they claim it is not harmful to the woman and no different than male circumcism, which is absolute bullshit.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at May 14, 2005 03:52 PM (PEKrh)
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That's bullshit!
It's just another attempt to present Muslims as barbarians. The so-called white-civizled men borrowed the Renaissence from the so-called barbarians.
A Ghambians who claims to be Muslim is not representative of the Islam. There's no point of pushing "Muslim" in front of the readers' eyes.
Respects to John Burgess!
Posted by: Pax at May 27, 2005 10:15 AM (OygnU)
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I will never, ever understand how such a backwards people, who can barely feed what population they have in their home countries now,can reproduce like freakin cockroaches.....i mean, let them continue this practice, if it will somehow lead to their population decreasing
...Thanos35
Hell...You are an ignorant arrogant narrow minded individual...You have no idea what a culture is...and I am sure you don have the mind to understand that...You are full of hate and negative attitude...A frustrated empty westerner! I don think you have outside of your small world...Open up your mind...there is more than what you think of Africa and Africans!
Posted by: malX at June 03, 2005 09:47 AM (BXYFr)
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muslims, hindus and islamics r a bunch of assholed bastard u cant even respect women! how dumb is that ok u know what me and my 78 friends came over my house and we burnt the butt ugly koran in my fire place i hate that book , i hate muslims they suck HEY U BUTT UGLY, FAT ASS STUPID UGLY SON OF UR BASTARD AFTHERS U ASS SONS AND MEN THAT R SOOO HATING WOMEN GET A FUCKING UPDATE U MUSLIM BASTARDS ITS THE 21ST CENTURY NO ONE HATE WOMEN IN AMERICA SO WHY DONT U MUSLIM BUTT UGLY MEN JUST BURN TO DEATH IN HELL U GUYS R THE ONE THAT R EVIL U RAPE, BURN UR WIVES AND U CALL WOMEN EVIL!!!!!!!! ( ROARING IN RAGE!!!!!!!!) SHUT THE FUK UP U GENITAL CUTTING SONS OF SATAN U GUYS SHOULD BE SADDAM HUSSEINS KIDS U DEMON MUSLIMS AND HINDUS AND ISLAMICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! U BASTARD I CANT FIND A WORD STORONG ENOUGH 2 EXPRESS MY RAGE I YELLIN SOOO HARD AT U SONS OF BITCHS U SONOFABITCH GETAN UPDATE U HIDEOS ME OF THAT FUCKED UP MOHOMMED!!!!!!
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Religion of 'Jesus was a Prophet' Update
The teachers of the law and the Pharisees
brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, "Teacher,
this woman was caught in the act of adultery.
In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" They were using this question as a trap, in order to have
a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"
"No one, sir," she said.
"Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."
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awe inspiring.
Justice and mercy, God is both.
Posted by: Carlos at May 06, 2005 11:21 AM (tFXpR)
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Amen Rusty.
Love and forgiveness, if only more people practiced it.
Posted by: Tim at May 06, 2005 12:00 PM (W0zC0)
Posted by: Howie at May 06, 2005 12:04 PM (D3+20)
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Jesus is the f'n Man. Never doubt that!
Posted by: Bill Dautrive at May 06, 2005 12:08 PM (G95Uf)
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Greg is throwing stones.
Posted by: Harold T. Fancypants at May 06, 2005 12:37 PM (yBHNA)
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Got to love jesus. Jesus kicks much ass. More than Scott Baio even.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at May 06, 2005 12:39 PM (yBHNA)
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The Jewish pharisees are trying to trap Jesus, and He gives the only answer that truly takes the wind out of their sails, leaving them unable to act. Awesome.
It's important to note that, yes, He forgives her, but He ALSO tells her to change her self-destructive behavior.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at May 06, 2005 12:50 PM (x+5JB)
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Rusty, this is a beautiful post! Thank you.
Posted by: Labosseuse at May 06, 2005 01:10 PM (FVj+H)
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Though I'm an atheist, I like this Jesus a lot better than the ones the Baptists are fond of. You know, the one who hates fags and kills innocent people to punish the guilty. I call that one the Evil Jesus.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at May 06, 2005 03:50 PM (0yYS2)
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IM: Jesus doesn't hate people, but He is pained at what some people do.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at May 06, 2005 04:03 PM (x+5JB)
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Improbulus,
The same Jesus who forgives now will also sit in judgement. Are you comfortable that you can stand before Him and proclaim your righteousness? (Keep in mind, He never sinned, He never hated, He created the universe, He has power and authority over everything...)
I can't imagine standing in front of Him, mired in my selfishness, weakness, hate, ... sin. Thankfully, He offered _me_ the same forgiveness that He offered to the woman. All I have to do is accept it, then He will clean me up, and present me before His Father.
Anyone who claims to be a Christian, but "hates fags and kills innocent people" is a liar. However, any Christian who doesn't point out sin, and offer the path to salvation is hateful.
If I saw you heading for a disaster, but didn't say anything to stop you - wouldn't you think I was evil? Likewise, if I don't point out that sin separates you from salvation, and only the love of Jesus Christ can save you - I would be evil. Clearly, homosexuality is a sin - but so are all of the sins _I_ commit each day. I don't hate myself, and I don't hate homosexuals. But I want to offer them the chance at salvation.
Posted by: RW at May 06, 2005 04:05 PM (Mh7Wh)
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RW: Correction--the Christianity does not condemn homosexuality, it condemns homosexual BEHAVIOR, just as it does immoral, promiscuous HETEROSEXUAL behavior, something a lot of people who tend to focus on homosexuals forget.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at May 06, 2005 04:21 PM (x+5JB)
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Improbulous,
Jesus doesn't hate sinners, as you can see by how he treated the adulteress. But he does hate sin, which is why he commanded her to sin no more.
Posted by: Carlos at May 06, 2005 04:44 PM (tFXpR)
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Carlos: Damn it, I just said that.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at May 06, 2005 06:29 PM (WwUi7)
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Beth, fuck you. Islam doenst command evil. You do. Yo dont know shit about Islam. Shut your yap you stupid, ignorant, bitch.
Posted by: A pissed off Anwar at May 06, 2005 07:38 PM (Lu6vL)
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Anwar: put away your hate; read The First Gospel of John and see if you are still an angry fool. Then read another Gospel and check again. Repeat until you have finished all four. Read them alone with God and take no outside influence. Hey that sounds like a worthwhile task for myself as well. Hey it's got to be better than going through your entire life angry. And such language to a lady?? Now I respect Islam. Not....
Posted by: Howie at May 06, 2005 08:24 PM (D3+20)
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RW, you do realize that I am an atheist don't you? This means that I don't believe in any judgment, afterlife, reward, or punishment. I arrived at this position through many years of study, contemplation, and yes, prayer. I used to be a Christian, and a devout one at that. I read the Bible twice straight through when I was in Saudi Arabia for Desert Storm, and I read everything I could get my hands on about Christian and Jewish history and legend. I prayed a lot and tried to live as I thought Jesus might have found appropriate, but I found that the more I tried to become like Christ, the less of a connection I had with Christianity.
Christianity is the religion about Jesus, not the religion of Jesus. In fact, the real Yeshua bin Yusef was not very likely in any way similar to the mythical Jesus of Christianity. Jesus Christ is just a Greek name and title for man who was made a legend, and the legend was made a god. All the miraculous attributes given Jesus over the ages were at various times ascribed to other deities, and even Euclid, who was rumored to walk on water.
I have no problem with "neither do I judge you, go and sin no more", but what has that to do with Christianity? The more like Christ I tried to be, the more of an outcast I was among Christians. Most Christians I ever knew were hypocrites and liars and had no more interest in being like Jesus than the man in the moon. I have no problem with Jesus the wise teacher, my problem is with the lies and myths told of him in order to fleece the suckers and gain wealth and power for the conmen.
I have no gods, no devils. I am free. If I do good, I do so of my own free will. Is this not pure enough? If I do evil, does it matter why? Good and evil need no cause nor bear any merit or stain outside themselves. If there is a god, and that god is good, then I have nothing to fear. If there is no god, then I have nothing to fear. If there is a god, and that god is evil, then only his followers need worry.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at May 07, 2005 12:04 AM (0yYS2)
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One thing is for sure.Etheists think of God mor then believers do,They keep saying i dont believe in god and so on,but they do take his name more then most beleivers do.
and for the fun part.Neil Armstong becomes muslim :O !!!
http://answering-islam DOT org DOT uk/Hoaxes/neil.html
Posted by: Monzter at May 07, 2005 06:34 AM (rA3Xj)
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And Mr.Borbon sounds like the perfect desciple,
He follows the word of god with out any superstitions.
Posted by: Monzter at May 07, 2005 06:35 AM (rA3Xj)
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IM: Have you ever read Pascal's "Wager"?
Monzter: I love compliments, but I'm FAR from perfect. I fall short everyday, but I keep trying. It's a continuous struggle that's not easy, but infinitely fulfilling.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at May 07, 2005 10:02 AM (WwUi7)
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Improbulus,
I did see that you declared yourself an atheist. One form of rebellion against God is as good as another. Trust me, I am perfectly aware that us "Christians" are all hypocrits. Any standard of life that is less than perfect means that I fall short of my "goal" every day. It doesn't stop me from trying.
As for "all of the miracles of Jesus" being found in other myths and legends, that's an interesting "proof", but lacks a lot in terms of scientific validity. Could it be that the ruler of the world is trying to deceive you (and others) into justifying life away from the truth?
I'd recommend you re-read the book of Job (Old Testament). Here's a man whom God himself declares as righteous - yet he's not good enough to stand before God and plead his case. When you have to stand before the Almighty and plead your case - keep in mind Job's situation.
Posted by: RW at May 09, 2005 02:30 PM (Mh7Wh)
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Recently a woman was stoned to death over there; when are these countries going to become humane? Saudi Arabia beheaed their 54 victim this year so far. twice as many as last year at this point of time AND WE ACCEPT THIS AS THE NORM??? And the US hates the fact that Predisent Bush is religious? He's a Methodist and his brother Jeb has converted to Roman Catholic. If you're an atheist, then you don't believe in anything. Do we want a president with no beliefs at at all???
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at May 10, 2005 10:11 PM (PEKrh)
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if terorists keep saying what there doing is part
part of there religion then muslims and muslim countrys are one day who knows in the near
future and maybe hundreds of years later going
to eventualy say "is part of being muslim
doing this whats the point of being muslim or beleiving in anything " and will probably
turn athiest. Considering the conflict between
diferent tribes in the midle east that raged fo hundreds if not thousands of years they fought these conflicts with each other over land and
survival til the colinists arivived and the diferent peoples made there respective countrys
since then that way of life is stil fresh in
the peoples sphicy as we have moved forward in our technoligy has changed drastickly since
then and during that change up until now the peoples of muslim countrys and the midle east have had a peep at this great change also in
the way of life there are sky scrapers and biusness ofices in muslim countrys in time
the muslim countrys and midle eastern countrys
might get this development fully from the west
not because of this but because of the terrorism
the people might say what have we got to
fight for we have everyhting we have and say what i just said before these countrys and the
religious clerics should let the people
decide how to live on a moral basis and not tell the people how to live one who is moral out
of fear of retribution is not being made or
will make others moral at all only afraid religion and religious morality can only come from the heart not from punishment or fear of being punished let the people have free
speech and free media as long as it is not hateful and elect there own government and discover there own sexuality and sexual intent
and morality this way if the people are and im
im not saying it should be fully like this not realy just yet anyhow but if it is this way the people who are practicing muslims and intend
to be in these countrys will do it from the heart i hope the technilogical
changes and the changes of thought will help
the whole all the world to live in peace.
excuse me for any spelling mistakes
Posted by: not important at October 03, 2005 12:55 AM (le4Xv)
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May 02, 2005
Notes and Asides: Laura Bush Beheading Edition
Best wishes and a speedy recovery to
Cranky Neocon Jr.
Happy Blogoversary to Eric at Vince aut Morire.
Phin is now on mu.nu? Man, they'll let just about anybody in these days......
Confederate Yankee catches the DU nutjobs photoshopping Laura Bush in a very Zarqawi pose.
That's not Jenna Bush's pet beaver you're seeing. Nothing to see there. Move along. Seriously, this one has been debunked. Not that I follow this sort of thing.......But, come on, Wonkette and I linked to this eons ago. Cause, you know, we follow the important stories..
Hey, Dean, what he said. Also, when asking what 'Christians believe' about, say, gay marriage, it's probably a lot wiser to ask a Methodist lay person than, say, an Episcopelian Bishop. The same rule applies to Islam. One can't ask a liberal to defend the mainstream.
Further, what people in the mainstream believe is often quite different than the theology of the mainstream. For instance, ask your average Methodist to explain the Trinity.
That Muslims are trying to distance themselves from the mainstream idea that it's ok to kill the infidel is heartening. But to claim that the mainstream of Islam never believed in such a doctrine is disengenious, at best.
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Thanks Rusty! Oh blogfather!
Posted by: Eric at May 02, 2005 05:39 PM (lK7Sh)
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Look at it this way; they can't do anything but improve upon the class of people they let in after letting me in.
Posted by: phin at May 02, 2005 05:48 PM (DGPlf)
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Vox populi?
Rusty, I see where you're coming from, I'm not sure I agree with asking the average person to explain his or her views on theological issues to get at what a religion actually teaches. The answer will certainly give you what they believe, but not necessarily a religion's dogma. From what I've read, a substantial percentage of Catholics, due to poor exegesis, don't understand transubstantiation and affirm the "symbolic" concept, but that doesn't alter what the Church has taught unceasingly for 2,000 years.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at May 02, 2005 05:55 PM (yIkFW)
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Bullshit, Rusty, Bullshit. My response to you is the same as what I left in James' comments.
In fact, I'll go further than calling "bullshit." I call "chickenshit." I provided you with links to a muslim blogger who is a scholar on his own faith, a member of the blogosphere, and has comments. Yet instead of going to his blog and arguing with him, you choose to argue with me. So I call "chickenshit." Why aren't you arguing with
him? What, you're afraid the big bad muslim will hurt you?
Posted by: Dean Esmay at May 02, 2005 05:58 PM (w3ZBg)
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Thank you very much Rusty. Cranky Jr. is home tonight.
Posted by: Gordon at May 02, 2005 06:19 PM (dEFhD)
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Dean needs a sedative.
Rusty, I agree with your conclusions about what Islam teaches, but not with your means of assessing them.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at May 02, 2005 07:07 PM (yIkFW)
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Dean, put down the keyboard and take a nice long walk outside. Seriously.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at May 03, 2005 12:34 AM (AIaDY)
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My former roommate "Pete the killer" was a murderer, rapist, drug smuggler and misogynist. He was a scholar of "Soldier of Fortune" and "High Times" magazines but claimed his true motivation was theological.
Having said that, does anyone know if this:
http://www.houstonjusticenotwar.org/
http://www.knowjusticeknowpeace.net/
Is this?:
"Former U.S. Rep. Pete McCloskey, in Houston Sunday for a conference on Palestinian issues, said he and other Republican elders are looking for a candidate to oppose U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay, R-Sugar Land."
(From Houston Chronicle)
Posted by: Darwinism Gone Wild "NOW" on DVD!!! at May 03, 2005 04:45 AM (fp34u)
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Laura likes it doggy style with Jeff Gannon annd W likes to watch his wife getting long-stroked. Desperate Housewife indeed.
Posted by: greg at May 03, 2005 01:54 PM (/+dAV)
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