April 20, 2006
The Preaching of Hate
Via Jihad Watch we have these fine snippets from Muslim Friday services. Makes me want to run out and convert right now, not.
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Spiegel : In a Berlin mosque, a television crew secretly recorded the sermon of a Turkish imam who described the Germans as godless and railed against their alleged stench. In London, hate preacher Abu Hamza al-Masri called upon the faithful to murder female tourists in his native Egypt, saying: "If a woman, even a Muslim woman, is naked and you have no way of covering her up, it is legitimate to kill her."Woah! These people are screwed up in the head. When I see a hot half nekkid chick walking around killing her is the last thing on my mind! What I am thinking I doubt will even come close to killing her. I get tired.
In an interview with SPIEGEL, television imam Yusuf al-Qaradawi, perhaps currently one of the most influential Islamic scholars around, magnanimously conceded that there is also room in heaven for devout Christians and Jews. But on his Arab-language website a short time later, he made it clear that he believes that Christians and Jews are ultimately nothing more than infidels.Rouge Eh? Infidel eh? Why themÂ’s fighting woyds!
But at the same time, often in the same sermon, imams ask God for help in confronting everyday woes, issue moral appeals to their own political leaders and constantly return to the Islamic world's greatest lament: a comparison between the gloomy present and the glorious past.Yes a glorious past of blood and death thatÂ’s just what I was searching for so I can find peace in my heart. To be fair some people are fighting this doctrine.
Dr. Id Abd al- Hamid Yussuf, 65, is completely against the use of Islam for political purposes.Perish they shall because weÂ’ll bring the perishing to them.The Prophet forgave those who committed injustices against him. He pardoned the murderer of his uncle, Hamsa. He forgave his people when they banished him from Mecca Â… Islam spread throughout the world through argument and conviction, but not through the sword, as the enemies of Islam have claimed. Islam only used the sword when it was attacked Â… The Prophet forbade extremism and fanaticism. He said: "I was sent to you out of the generosity of God. Night became day. Anyone who strays from this path will fall victim to ruin." For some, religion is like a maze. Enter it with caution, because whoever approaches religion as an extremist will perish in his extremism.
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"He forgave his people when they banished him from Mecca..."
Didn't he go back and slaughter them?
Posted by: Oyster at April 20, 2006 02:11 PM (AMLvC)
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Oyster, Well yeah but after he slaughtered them he felt a lot better and forgave them.
Posted by: Howie at April 20, 2006 02:43 PM (o+Psq)
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Islam makes it is easy to hate. Every Sunday, I am reminded to love, not hate. But, it sure is hard to love folks like that.
ROPMA
Posted by: Leatherneck at April 20, 2006 03:42 PM (D2g/j)
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I can remember growing up as a catholic and being taught that only catholics could go to heaven, I think that changed in 1962
Posted by: john Ryan at April 20, 2006 04:08 PM (U2ePk)
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I remember growing up and being told that most Catholics would not go to heaven. I didn't much think that was true. But, nobody said that we should kill Catholics because we didn't agree with their interpretation of the scripture. Or harm them in any way.
Later on in life I was lucky enough to get to know some Catholics, and I've liked every one of them I have met so far. I haven't met you yet, John Ryan, so my record is still intact. Oh, you're a Buddist now, so my record will have little chance of being broken. J/K, John!
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 20, 2006 05:04 PM (rUyw4)
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No, but the language was certainly softened so as to not "offend."
Posted by: YBP at April 20, 2006 06:59 PM (42Ghj)
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Here is some offence for you lefturd. The FBI just arrested some student in Georgia named Salied, or something like that, for supporting terror inside the United States of America.
More of my tax money being wasted, when they should have put a round in his head, and shipped his moon god worshipping ass back to some middle eastern country!
ROPMA
Posted by: Leatherneck at April 20, 2006 07:34 PM (D2g/j)
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You gotta love that Islamist duplicity. Speak warm fuzzy nothings to the soft minded west and preach murderous hate in arabic. Nice racket.
Posted by: nuthin2seehere at April 21, 2006 02:14 AM (blNMI)
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"I can remember growing up as a catholic and being taught that only catholics could go to heaven, I think that changed in 1962"
And how does that compare to what's being said in the Mosques?
Posted by: Oyster at April 21, 2006 04:39 AM (YudAC)
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I go to Mass every week, 3 times in fact last week. John, I have never heard a Priest advocate that the State, Church or any of our parishioners put anyone to death for any reason. We do pray for those who we think are on the wrong path.
Why pretend this is similar to what is being preached in some Mosques around the world? That was your point wasnÂ’t it?
Posted by: Brad at April 21, 2006 08:17 AM (vaSc7)
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I don't think all Muslims preach killing Christians. In fact, the Muslim world has been one of coexistence, peacefully, for far longer than the west. There are large Christian communities in Lebanon and Egypt, and smaller ones in Iraq, Syria, and Jordan, among others. There were, until the 1960s, large populations of Jews that coexisted peacefully throughout the Arab world and Iran (the Sephardim). They were thrown out, often brutally, or emigrated, under threat of grave persecution, relatively recently. Islam, instead of going through a reformation similar to our own, is undergoing a radicalization. Bernard Lewis, in What Went Wrong, diagnoses this very well, and I commend it as a short book that makes Islam come alive in its modern form. I take it that John Ryan's point is that we win the West are not so far removed from a time when we also preached doctrines of exclusion and hatred. Those on this board who denigrate Islam generally, or call for the killing of all Muslims, are proof that we are not much removed at all.
The president is right. What is needed is not a war against Islam, but a war within Islam.
Posted by: jd at April 21, 2006 10:23 AM (uT71O)
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JD I also do not think most Muslims preach killing Christians. However, it is not uncommon.
What I find amusing it the leftÂ’s ability to rush to the defense of a Religion that is so intolerant.
Posted by: Brad at April 21, 2006 11:35 AM (3OPZt)
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"...the Muslim world has been one of coexistence, peacefully, for far longer than the west..." as long as you don't pray to anyone but Allah and you pays yer dhimmi tax.
Posted by: Oyster at April 21, 2006 01:16 PM (okCpP)
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Thanks, Oyster, for the translation on Dhimmi. I thought it was Arabic. My point is not that the Muslim world was some paradise for jews and christians in the Middle Ages. It was just that it was much better to be a Jew there than in most Christian countries. Many of the most important Talmudic scholars and Jewish philosophers of the era freely lived and wrote in the Muslim world, when they would have been persecuted and kept out of elite circles in almost every Christian country.
I'm not DEFENDING Islam, in the sense that I endorse its spread or cheer for its promulgation. I'm just saying--this is not a religion that should be judged by its extremes. What I find amusing is that when I point this out, there is a blizzard of posts challenging me. When someone advocates the extermination of all liberals (the actual murder of other Americans), no one, not one person, nada, zip, no one, has challenged the person who said that on that point. Nor has anyone challenged the idea that liberalism is not just an ideology, but a mental illness, a suicidal dementia. Uh...folks? Are they, liberals, ALWAYS, pathologically wrong? Are conservatives, always, in every situation, right?
Reality check...
Posted by: jd at April 21, 2006 02:57 PM (aqTJB)
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JD, why do idiot liberals like you keep trying to equivocate Christian Europe of a thousand years ago with islam of today? Do you think everyone is as stupid as liberals are?
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