Maybe I'm the last blogger on earth to hear that former California gubernatorial governor and porn star
is scheduled to have dinner with President Bush tonight, but no one is going to accuse Rusty Shackleford of not doing his utmost to get to the bottom of this story! Oh Infinite Zeuss, why do you mock me?? Why could I have not been in D.C. this week!!
As we speak Kulkis & Carey are scheduled to be having lunch with Karl Rove. At 3:00 p.m. Eastern, Carey will be at The Coyote Ugly Saloon in Washington, DC, for a pre-dinner press-conference where she will be showing off her dress for this evening's festivities with the President. Mary Cary is going to announce her candidacy for Lieutenant Governor of California at the conference.
If you are in the D.C. area, grab a digital cam and get on over there (you have all of 5 minutes to get there). If you need some press credentials I'll be happy to provide you some on condition that you bring a digital cam!
Of course, the mavens over at Wonkette are publishing this because they think it is so ironical. And the gay-outing thugs over at America Blog want to show the hypocrisy of the Republicans inviting a pornorgrapher to a fundraiser. And no doubt this will become something of a minor embarrasment for the administration among inside the beltway pundits tomorrow morning. The kind of story where no one will actually talk about what happened, but all will pause to speak of the effect of what happened on the President's poll numbers, support among Christians, and so forth.
Further, neither she nor Kulkis is actually having dinner with the President as their press release implies. Hundreds of people will be at that dinner. If being in the same room with the President while you put food in your mouth counts as 'having dinner', then I've dined with Senators, had brunch with Kings, and even had tea with the first lady. You know, cause I was in the same room and all....
Anyway, I have no objections to a porn star going to a Republican fundraiser. Heck, I want more porn stars at Republican fundraisers! But this will be a minor embarassment tomorrow if word doesn't get out and Kulkis's invite isn't cancelled in the next few hours, so heads up on this.
. *cough*
Anyway, from the WND article we already get a preview of the brew-ha-ha that's coming down:
True that. My explanation would be to point out that Jesus also like to dine with sinners. That's the excuse Carter used. After all, if Jimmy Carter can admit to having 'unclean thoughts' in a Playboy interview and still escape with a squeaky clean image, I'm sure President Bush can survive this.
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Didn't Bush say he was going to bring dignity back to the White House after the torrid Bill Clinton years? How is dining with porn stars dignified? The Libs are right, this is hypocritical.
Posted by: Carlos at June 14, 2005 01:58 PM (8e/V4)
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Lighten up. There will be hundreds of people there. Bush isn't really 'having dinner' with her.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at June 14, 2005 02:10 PM (JQjhA)
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Rusty,
it's not a matter of lightening up. I'm not personally offended by porno, but porno has its place, and it's not the White House. Even if there are hundreds of people there, this sends the wrong message if indeed Bush wants to bring dignity to the White House. Would it be so hard for Bush to send the right message here?
Posted by: Carlos at June 14, 2005 02:16 PM (8e/V4)
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What message is that Carlos? That as Republicans, or perhaps even Christians, we should be shunning people like this?
Posted by: Defense Guy at June 14, 2005 02:20 PM (jPCiN)
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Very weird. I just wonder what they're doing there. I suppose there is a relationship of sorts between libertarians (that's libertarians, not libertines)and various "lifestyles."
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 14, 2005 02:24 PM (x+5JB)
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Defense Guy,
would you say that if it was pimps and whores instead of porno queens? I would invite the scum of the earth into my home, as Jesus did, but not to make them feel good about their sin, but to minister to them, as Jesus did. I expect fellow christians to call me on my sin too, not to give it a pass just so we can all get along.
Posted by: Carlos at June 14, 2005 02:27 PM (8e/V4)
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If I were Bush's scriptwriter, I'd suggest he simply say, when questioned about this, "Even Christ ate with sinners."
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 14, 2005 02:27 PM (x+5JB)
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But a) it's not at the White House b) Bush has no control over who goes to the dinner, that's the RNCC.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at June 14, 2005 02:29 PM (JQjhA)
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But the bottom line is, he doesn't know about it, and those "lower level" campaign workers Rusty referes to should be more careful.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 14, 2005 02:29 PM (x+5JB)
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Damn it, I seem to be posting one line too late evry time!
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 14, 2005 02:31 PM (x+5JB)
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Wonder what's on the menue. Kielbasa?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 14, 2005 02:33 PM (x+5JB)
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Carlos
That's right. I think shunning them would be the wrong message to send. Inclusion shows openness to those that have not yet 'found the way', so to speak, and affords more opportunity to have that kind of dialogue. Hate the sin, love the sinner kind of thing.
In addition, to shun them would cause more political harm as the left would use it as more ammunition about the intolerance of the evil rethuglicans towards what is a very legal venture in this country.
Posted by: Defense Guy at June 14, 2005 02:35 PM (jPCiN)
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Defense Guy,
true, shunning her now will look terrible. They should have quietly withdrawn the invitation early on, but it's too late now. Libs get their little PR victory no matter what the White House does.
Posted by: Carlos at June 14, 2005 02:39 PM (8e/V4)
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Just read the WND article. Carey claims she's a friendly. Uh, yeeeeaaahhh.
She also wants political "pointers" from Bush.
My favorite part:
"She maintains pornographic movies don't harm anyone, and are beneficial in a way, providing safe fantasies for the "lonely" public."
This despite study after study blaming the indistry to desensitization towards promiscuous sex and violence toward women. Plus, if she's such a fan of the Bible, what about the warning that anyone who looks upon a woman with lust in his heart commits adultery--listed as one of the vices sure to land someone in Gahenna.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 14, 2005 02:45 PM (x+5JB)
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would you rather have Mary Carey or Michael Moore showing up? I know who I would take
Posted by: William Teach at June 14, 2005 02:58 PM (IRsCk)
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Moore would no doubt eat up the profits.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 14, 2005 03:03 PM (x+5JB)
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"Maybe I'm the last blogger on earth to hear that former California gubernatorial governor and porn star Mary Cary is scheduled to have dinner with President Bush tonight, but no one is going to accuse Rusty Shackleford of not doing his utmost to get to the bottom of this story!"
Nah, you're not the last to hear about it. I posted a link for you (or anyone else) to read last week in that post you made about wanting links because you were bored: http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/085936.php
Anyways, this will do wonders for the "family values" angle the Republican party always throws around.
Posted by: Venom at June 14, 2005 03:15 PM (dbxVM)
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"would you say that if it was pimps and whores instead of porno queens?"
Last I checked, porn is not illegal while prostitution is. I could care less if the entire industry was there. It doesn't mean they would be filimg a scene while Bush is on the stage.
There are a lot of people with shady occupations. Should we not allow telemarketers, insurance salesmen, telecom industry execs, etc. to attend? All three of those professions are as shady as being a porn star and at times are just as "non-Christian."
Posted by: Chad Evans at June 14, 2005 03:21 PM (dZcXJ)
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Well said, let me reiterate my personal view on pornography.
The ideal society is one which tolerates pornography, yet does not consume much of it.
The same rule applies to drugs.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at June 14, 2005 03:25 PM (JQjhA)
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>>>"Last I checked, porn is not illegal while prostitution is."
Chad,
I see. So if prostitution were legal, then you'd have pimps and whores dining at the White House.
I small hint, there's a difference between legal and moral. Ponder that. Also, there's a difference between a telemarketer vs pimps and whores, ponder that one too.
Posted by: Carlos at June 14, 2005 03:28 PM (8e/V4)
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and Chad, labeling something as "christian" doesn't make a lick of difference. There are plenty of non-christians who also do not like the message the porn industry sends to their sons and daughters.
Posted by: Carlos at June 14, 2005 03:30 PM (8e/V4)
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"It doesn't mean they would be filimg a scene while Bush is on the stage."
Haha, that would kick ass.
Posted by: Venom at June 14, 2005 03:35 PM (dbxVM)
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"Ok, maybe Cary doesn't understand what it means to be a Christian or maybe she's just a bad Christian..."
Funny. The above statement seems to apply especially well to the motives and content of this site! Nice Christian porn links too by the way! LOL. Is that just more of your effort to "show us the enemy we fight"??? LOL
Dude!
Posted by: Professor Peter Von Nostrand at June 14, 2005 03:39 PM (h9w01)
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This is just a cheap way to get publicity and embarass the president. The banality of evil is surprising: Satan plays the same old tricks in current disguises ever since the Garden. If you take away the buzz words and packaging, Satan's old tricks are so common and banal they're really quite a bore. She is just the latest, who of course, must convince herself she is and "actress" "playing a role." God is not mocked.
Posted by: 72VIRGINS at June 14, 2005 03:49 PM (dhRpo)
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You must excuse Prof. PVN,
Like many non-Christians on the Left, they pretend to understand Christianity better than, well, Christians.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at June 14, 2005 03:50 PM (JQjhA)
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And just for full disclosure to readers,
Most of you would not consider me a Christian, even though I consider myself one. I'm definitely not in the main stream theologically, but I do go to church.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at June 14, 2005 03:53 PM (JQjhA)
Posted by: Editor at June 14, 2005 04:07 PM (adpJH)
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Ok, all I want to know is if Bush will be wearing nothing but assless leather chaps and a cowboy hat. A whip wouldn't hurt. Or maybe it would? What happened to the 'cover up that dirty statue titty' days of Ashcroft? Is Laura not enough of a naughty librarian? Anyway...it does seem rather odd. I wonder what will CUM of it...
Posted by: osamabeenhiding at June 14, 2005 04:41 PM (buka0)
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If this comes to light in the media, and I believe it will since it can be used to make Bush look bad, he should simply state that that as an American, she had as much right as anyone else to attend. Game, set, match.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 14, 2005 04:56 PM (0yYS2)
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Who cares? And it is only hypocritical if Bush "shares" a cigar with Cary.
Posted by: KBiel at June 14, 2005 05:11 PM (KSCkS)
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True, IM. But once the NY Times checks the bookmarks, cache and history on his browser it'll make Clinton look like a priest!
Posted by: osamabinpostin' at June 14, 2005 05:12 PM (buka0)
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I used to work in the telecom industry and I can tell you what was being done is in no way moral, just like I do not believe those in the porn industry are moral. I know insurance salesmen and the industry teaches immoral techniques in order to push policies upon clients. Am I to believe no member of the telecom or insurance industry has stepped foot in the White House?
I still stand to the point though if we do not allow certain immoral occupations to attend a fundraiser, we should not allow any. Who will the new moral police be though to decide whether or not one profession is more moral than the next? Furthermore, why is the White House such sacred ground and who is in charge of determining who is allowed on the sacred ground? If those who want to believe Mary Carey is disturbing sacred ground because of her profession, then why did a good portion of those vote for a known adulterer to work out of the White House?
And by the way, I only inserted the non-Christian comment because it is cited by Mary Carey herself. Anyone that actually knows me understands how religious I am, of lack thereof as is more appropriate.
Posted by: Chad Evans at June 14, 2005 05:25 PM (dZcXJ)
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The Pharisees and Saducees were quite religious, too. Choose your words wisely, Chad.
Posted by: Editor at June 14, 2005 05:32 PM (adpJH)
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>>>"I know insurance salesmen and the industry teaches immoral techniques in order to push policies upon clients."
Chad,
that's a very shallow analogy. There's a difference between an immoral industry (porno) vs crooks working in the telecom industry. The telecom industry isn't immoral-- those crooks are. If the guy's a crook, then he doesn't get the invite,that's all.
>>>"Who will the new moral police be though to decide whether or not one profession is more moral than the next."
That's easy, obviously the person in the White House decides what/who he considers worthy to dine at the White House, duh. That's what Bush said he would do.
Posted by: Carlos at June 14, 2005 05:51 PM (8e/V4)
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hey, if they cant invite a porn starlet, who it seems some people are saying is a shady area of employment, than most def. no lawyers should be invited either since they are some of the shadiest people around....ive known mafiaso who are nicer people
Posted by: THANOS35 at June 14, 2005 06:28 PM (CagjM)
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If all crooks and whores were banned from state events, we'd have to shut down the government.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 14, 2005 06:38 PM (0yYS2)
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THANO,
I know plenty of asshole lawyers, and that porn starlet looks like a real sweetheart. That's besides the point.
Posted by: Carlos at June 14, 2005 06:38 PM (8e/V4)
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Maybe this is Bush's twisted revenge on Laura's standup routine a while ago?
Posted by: osamabeendownloadin'porn at June 14, 2005 06:39 PM (buka0)
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"Cary claims she is a Christian. Ok, maybe Cary doesn't understand what it means to be a Christian or maybe she's just a bad Christian, but that just seems like one of the most idiotic statements ever. Or maybe she read the part about Jesus saving the adultress from those who would stone her Taliban style, but forgot to read on to the next part where he says, 'Go and sin no more.'"
Rusty: I thought that this, despite someone's comments,
was very well written, orthodox, and right on the money.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 14, 2005 06:44 PM (m6QBo)
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Oh good grief. No, I don't agree with her "job". Do, I think she's wrong to be involved with porn, "yes". Do I think she should be made fun of, called names, shunned, "NO, NO, NO!"
You can disagreed with someone and/or disapprove of their behavior and still interact with them.
The LLL have their panties all twisted up saying that it just shows we're not the party of family values.
And they are doing everything they can in an attempt to push Christians to criticize President Bush and distance themselves from the Republican Party. They still think that if they out gay Republicans and scream that President Bush "dines" with porn stars that Christians will be so horrified and disgusted that they will stop voting. And then of course Democrats will have the edge, or so they think.
My answer to anyone who criticizes either Mary Carey, President Bush or Republicans about this is, "So what? She has just as much right to be there as anyone else. Do you think we should start refusing admittance to people based on their job or morals? Do we refuse anyone we disagree with? People who are having affairs? Models who model sexy clothes? Singers who sing racy songs? Where do we start and where do we end?"
As a Christian and a decent human being I believe that we don't have to like the behavior to be nice, interact with and be gracious to another person.
Posted by: sues at June 14, 2005 08:57 PM (WMcIU)
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osama, Your head is in the gutter and you are disgusting. Just like all your other lefty friends. It shows your low level of intelllegence that you are unable to carry out a conversation with out blatent sexual references.
Posted by: lin at June 14, 2005 09:05 PM (WMcIU)
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linlinlin...Right you are that my head is in the gutter. I am proud to be uninhibited sexually or unfazed by sexual references. Though you are extremely wrong about a few things: I can carry on many intelligent conversations very easily and without blatant sexual references. I posted my joking words in here while having a great conversation with Young Bourbon Professional about abortion, life, religion and philosophy in another post...all at the same time! So save your moralistic rant for someone else and learn to laugh. Oh yeah, and I'm not "Left" as you might so easily have assumed me to be. You know a mere iota of what I'm about or how I live my life. Anyway, I'd be open to having any discussion with you about any topic...and without any sexual references if you like.
Posted by: osamabinpostin' at June 14, 2005 09:44 PM (buka0)
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osama,
are you greg? or Steve?
Posted by: Carlos at June 15, 2005 12:02 AM (8e/V4)
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Carlos, I'm shocked that you ask... I have posted under "Steve" before when Collin first introduced me to this blog, and I use a million variations of osama this and that, but I'm sure as hell not Greg! Why do you ask? Did I say something similar to what he used to post?
Posted by: osamabinpostin' at June 15, 2005 01:35 AM (buka0)
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Maybe this will get people more interested in politics. Howie says as he sheepishly returns to the forum.
Posted by: Howie at June 15, 2005 09:09 AM (D3+20)
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osama,
because greg also identified himself as neither Left nor right.
Posted by: Carlos at June 15, 2005 09:29 AM (8e/V4)
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That's it? I thought Greg was IP blocked anyway, right? He would have to be totally split personality to post as me and him...besides what you mentioned we have very different posts and styles of writing. Just to get facts straight, I'm not Libertarian either. I don't back the GOP, the Dems, Greens or anyone, really. When I vote I tend to try and vote for the best person, not the best party...but that's a whole other conversation. I'm sure if Greg wanted to post in here, he could find a way, and surely without using my osama handles. If anyone did imitate me, I'd alert everyone right away.
Posted by: osamabinwhatever at June 15, 2005 09:44 AM (buka0)
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Osama: Never fear--your views and Greg's on certain topics are quite different. I never thought you were the same person.
What is your brother up to these days?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 15, 2005 09:52 AM (x+5JB)
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My "bro" Collin? I'm sure he's terrorizing another blog somewhere. I forget which one though!
Posted by: osamabinwhatever at June 15, 2005 10:17 AM (buka0)
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Osama = not greg for sure.
Posted by: Howie at June 15, 2005 10:50 AM (D3+20)
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Now those definitely look like some weapons of mass destruction!
Posted by: Chrees at June 15, 2005 11:06 AM (hFZJx)
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As a Repbulican, this makes me proud of JR! The administration should use as good PR and a recruitment tool. Hey, may be she'll do a recruitment film.
Posted by: homely at June 15, 2005 11:47 AM (h9pED)
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What is everyone uptight about. Bush does not need Mary to
make him look like a immoral corrupt fool. He is perfectly cable
of doing that himself.
Posted by: Butch at June 17, 2005 11:55 AM (Gqhi9)
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Butch, because Bush=Hitler, right?
He is corrupt, blah, blah, blah...liberal tripe and unsubstantiated "facts" go hand-in-hand.
Posted by: Jeremy at June 25, 2005 08:05 PM (5Ayae)
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osamabinpostin: that presupposes that the man knows how to work a computer.
Posted by: mlevans at June 28, 2005 01:05 PM (jZV9v)
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Maybe Bush can show her how to really F!!! someone. As for Christian's it's all a front to mask there problems, & looking for a magic cure all. And biggest phoney's I know.
Posted by: Alibaba at June 28, 2005 02:15 PM (BBI7X)
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PS.It is not the fact that Christians should be appauled at Bush's actions, It's the fact that there not !!!!
Posted by: Alibaba at June 28, 2005 02:23 PM (BBI7X)
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But Will Their Children Produce Porn News?
(BEVERLY HILLS) -- X-rated video mogul Mark Kulkis, who escorted porn star Mary Carey to June's GOP dinner with President Bush, has found a new love interest: Washington powerdater and CNN producer Kathy Benz.
The two met during an interview while Kulkis, 40, president and CEO of Kick Ass Pictures, was in DC for the National Republican Congressional Committee's annual President's Dinner. He's honorary chairman of the NRCC's Business Advisory Council, a roundtable of millionaire entrepreneurs.
Benz denies she's cozying up to Kulkis to get a scoop for CNN about the private lunch he and Carey had with White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove. "Mark's a wonderful guy and I think this could be the real thing," she tells girlfriends.
Benz, 35, is known in Washington power circles for dating such figures as venture capitalist Jonathan Ledecky (now trying to buy the Washington Nationals), Univ. of Maryland basketball coach Gary Williams, and spent time last August with Sirius CEO Mel Karmazin at his Hamptons home.
Her regular companions include Rep. Pete Sessions (R-Tex.), John Sununu, Sr, venture capitalist Mark Ein, Chicago Cubs VP John McDonough and Democratic lawyer Julian Epstein. She was engaged to John Daggett, AOL millionaire.
Posted by: Kelly at August 06, 2005 07:53 PM (+y0DY)
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