1 Why shouldn`t you give to Islamic charities?

1 wow, that was something to read... made me apreciate being in the west. definately the strangest most cognatively dissonent ending to this little drama played out by the islamofascists was the questionare on how to improve things during a prisoners horrible terrifiying ordeal, im thinking a mint chocolate on the pillow after interogations might be nice.....

2 Dude, are you back or checking in from Peru??

3 Shows how religion is used to enslave people. The Koran and Allah are being misused by these religious fanatics, who want to keep women in a subservient role. It will hold back progress in Iran and any other country that uses such tactics. Shame and dishonour on them. I salute this brave woman and wish her well. Publicize this and show how tyrannical these so-called religious people are.

4 Yes religion is used to enslave people, then again it was religion that caused the downfall of slavery. So 'religion' actually is not to blame. Just as 'religion' was not to blame for the Thuggies but a PARTICULAR religion was. There is, however, a PARTICULAR religion to blame here. One that has a core doctrine of the non-seperation of Church and state and the establishment of religious law. Unlike another PARTICULAR religion in my mind which takes as a core doctrine the inherent seperation of church and state.....

5 Since I have an AP class at 7 AM, this item in the paper sure woke me up for the day. Question is: Is she still being watched, and how can she have her ordeal published in foreign papers while still in an oppressive country?

6 "Yes religion is used to enslave people, then again it was religion that caused the downfall of slavery." Rusty nice arguement, but faltering on the fact that religion is the one single tool used for anyone who wants power ... from the time of shamans in cavemen days to the present Holy See. No difference just now there is money involved. Best to use George carlins 10 commandments then no one would argue. As too the whole issue of summary arrests and detainments with assistance from local authorities, this is nothing new to us ... we have been doing it for a long time. If you guys have some time you should read up about one US Ambassador Comer and the mis-adventure that resulted when he was posted to the embassy in Ankara, Turkey. The issue here with arrests of the general population for offences considered to be counter-administration, well if that person ever gets too out of control they have an excuse at a later time to say "Today a known counter revolutionary was arrested and punished once again for crimes against the people". As to voicing these issues, the United States does not voice sides so as not to intervene in internal policy. When you break the law, you know the punishment, its going to sound harsh but thats the fact. You dont go to China and stand in front of Chairman Mao's Tomb and burn a Little Red Book while renouncing the regime, that is unless you want to be re-educated and then turned into a government show piece after coming back in the fold. Sometimes the best thing is not to rock the boat, or if you must rock the boat you do it from outside the country until it is safe enough inside the country.

7 Oh, goody! I always wanted my own Fatwa! Cecile has a point: how did this article come to be in the LA Times?

1 Hmmmm, lessee, we've had something like 10 years to make all of these startling discoveries . . And it's one of those "If it's your Ox that's being gored" deals . . . Her Mom and Dad don't want to pull the plug . . And why should they? They aren't responsible for the Medical Bills . . . . . But, can you Imagine what it does to the man who is? Jeb Bush didn't volunteer any State Support either, I don't believe, when he pushed the bill through the State Legislature to keep her alive. Love all those Do-Gooders . . . they'll pay for the Lawyers, but not a cent for her support! And now, we want to prosecute the poor bastard . . Hmmmm, like a pack of Wolves . . .

2 I vaguely remember you mentioning something about not wanting to dive into conspiracy theories on the Rathergate deal, why swallow this whopper whole? I have to agree with large, one "expert" (I didn't bother to check his credentials to be fair) says it is his opinion years after the fact that the women "may have been assaulted"? WTF? May have? How about the evidence when she was originally taken to the hospital when she fell ill? Were their ligature marks on her neck to indicate somebody messed with it? WouldnÂ’t the medical staff check a patient who shows up with unexplained symptoms for evidence of foul play? Why in the eleventh hour is this brought up? Pretty thin

3 Hey Rusty, the Scott Peterson case didn't interest you, why this one? Anyway, it's a big deal there in Florida, my brother lives not that far away from the nursing home where Terri lives. It's a real heartwrenching situation. I could never pull the plug on a loved one, unless I knew they were in severe pain and wanted to die. But, she can't even speak for herself or make decisions, she doesn't even know what's happening to her. No one has the right to do that to her, as long as she's not suffering, IMHO.

4 The moral to this story is simple...... HAVE A LIVING WILL!!!!!!!!!!! If not, you might have someone named "JEB" deciding whats best for you.

5 I really would like to explain this woman's situation because most people know nothing about euthanasia, brain dead (vegetative state), brain stem death, and all that goes along with being in any of those particular states. I probably understand it and know more about it than most doctors. I even did my thesis in college on euthanasia. I don't believe there is any plug on Terri unless they had to do it after Governor Bush said to reinstall the feeding tube. She had been off the feeding tube for some time and it was only a matter of time before she died. I believe the governor made the wrong decision and should have stayed out of it when, finally, after 10 years in this state, they allowed the husband and rehab hospital could remove the tube. REMEMBER KAREN ANN QUINLAN??? The pictures we see are old, very old. TEN YEARS in a vegetative state (brain dead) - can you imagine what that looks like? My God, it's awful. Trust me. The husband had nothing to do with what happened to his wife. She had an aneurysm. He never hurt her and he has taken care of her every day since. He's a hell of a nice guy who's going through hell and more hell because of her parents who should just put their daughter to rest. Cindy

6 Mighty whitey wrore: "The moral to this story is simple...... HAVE A LIVING WILL!!!!!!!!!!! " You need more than a living will but also a DNR (do not resusatate and a Power of Attorney who will follow your wishes. I don't care how old or young you are, you never know when it's going to be too late, so don't put it off - do it now! Cindy

7 Let nature take it's course. Stop all artificial life support. Let this woman pass on with some dignity,

8 But we have to MAKE everyone live ... this is the problem with our society today, people have this fetish with keeping everything alive. The vikings had the best system, at birth children were dunked into the icy waters ... those who died would most probably would not have survived because of being WEAK and the STRONG lived. How long before some retard out there tries to argue the fact that their wife/husband is in a coma, but that they want to have kids? Let the weak die and the strong live ... like the same situation of stupid people doing stupid things and dying ... PASSIVE EUGENICS!

9 Salamander, that all sounds quite reasonable... unless you are on the deadly end of it. I would be. Have the stomach to come and do the job yourself? Take a flying fuck, asshole.

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11 "But we have to MAKE everyone live" Interesting comment, but in this case it is a matter of making someone die. First off, there are several doctors that have stated Terri is not in a vegetative state. Further, there is a significant difference to being on life support and having a feeding tube. Also, Terri is responsive to people, which calls into question the 'vegetative' assessment. (Yes she has been in a vegetative state for 14 years, but in 1991, after receiving limited therapy, her condition improved. Her husband was advised to continue advanced therapy. He refused and has continued to refuse any type of therapy. Had he agreed to what doctors recommended, perhaps she would not be in the state she is in today.) Oh and the cost... Terri's parents requested a settlement with her husband (who has refused to divorce Terri, but has recently had two children another woman). The settlement would have given custody of Terri to her parents. The would agree to be responsible for all medical costs, as well as allow Michael to keep all malpractice settlements, and allow him to all rights on Terri's estate if/when she dies. Plus the would agree to never take any future legal action against him. He refused this offer. I find it interesting that if we starved a murderer or rapist in jail, it would be considered torture. If I starved my dog or cat, I would legally be prosecuted. But we can decide to starve an innocent woman merely because she doesn't have the voice to speak up. The thought of where this could lead is scary! Donny

12 Everyone says how sad it is, how heartless Michael is. But, honestly, let me ask you this...How many of them have honestly been put through it--put ont he other side of the fence? If I were on the outside, and never had an inside look, I might say that it would be wrong, she is still breathing, sahe still has a chance. But I have been on the other side of the fence, so I can see where he is coming from. There is nothing else worse than having to say goodbye to a loved one, or having to make that choice for them--but is it really fair to let them live with no quality of life? To have someone else take care of everything from brushing your teeth, styling your hair, changing your diaper, showering you--what kind of life is that? Not much if you ask me. I completely stand behind Michael's decision 120%. And when you are put in the position where you have to choose, and after making that choice, I believe then you can either critisize or commend Michael on his decisions.

13 In all fairness, Terri Schiavo's parents have alleged her injuries were at the hands of her husband all along. On the night she was admitted, several tests were run that showed she had been the victim of a possible strangulation, as well as evidence of recently broken bones that had healed. Plus, Terri Schiavo quit breathing, long enough for brain damage to occur, at the hands of a husband who knew CPR and had at one time been an EMT. Why didn't he perform CPR to save her? However, these medical records were sealed at the order of her husband, and have never made it to a court room. Prosecutors say they are now irrelevant, since the status of limitations on any crime committed then has passed. IMO, her husband is scared to death she will come out of this state and let the world know what an arrogant, violent man he is.

14 The blind support for these parents is pathetic. The conspiracy theories are pathetic. The statements that we would not do it to criminals, dogs etc have no comparison. She is the equivilant of a tomato. A rotting tomato taking up space. Why don't you idiots drive to Tampa and change her bedpan for a few days? See how you feel after that.

15 Marley, changing a bedpan isn't so bad. I have four children and I've changed diapers, cleaned up vomit, etc. because that's what people do for those they love. What I couldn't do is to stand by and watch someone die a slow and painful death by starvation. How many days do you think it will take? Could you do that?

16 Changing a bedpan and cleaning up for children who show you love and provide feedback is not the same. I imagine it will take a week or so for her to die. Painful, yes, but nothing compared to what she has been put through since she effectively died 15 years ago. Here is an interesting article for you to read that describes the situation from someone who has been through it. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-asecmaylene20022005feb20,1,3587026.story

17 Did Terri have an eating disorder previously? One news story linked the chemical imbalance to be a result of disordered eating-just a question for the curious-

18 Teresa writes: To have someone else take care of everything from brushing your teeth, styling your hair, changing your diaper, showering you--what kind of life is that? Not much if you ask me. That's pretty much my life, Teresa. Does it surprise you that not only am I still alive, but I also have no desire to kill myself? Dependency like this is not nearly as bad as outsiders assume it is. And therein lies the danger: it is precisely outsiders with this distorted view who are making judgments about the value of the patient's life. Should whether I live or die hinge on someone else's ignorant and superficial assumption that my life is not worth living?

19 If a baby does not want to eat because he does not feel like it, should the parents not force feed him? If you love your child you feed them, cloth them, and take care of them. Killing a person because they are a burden is not a reason. Terri Schiavo is not a mere "vegetable." She has a soul. I am sorry that her disability has been a burden on Michael Shiavo's life. But guess what, if he truly loves her, and "wants what is best for her" he would at least visit her and pretend to be interested in her life. How can he know what state of mind she is in if he has not seen her? I used to work at a nursing home. The people that could not communicate and had severe cases of AlzheimerÂ’s were the ones that were forgotten the most even though they were the ones that need the most attention. They may not have been aware of what was going on but if you took three minutes and gave it to them it made a world of difference. If Michael Shiavo wants to be rid of her even if it means starving her to death he might as well shoot her with a gun. People think that that would be inhuman. Well you know starvation was used by Hitler. Then it was also considered inhuman. At least if she was shot it would be quick and she would not have to be in pain for one or two weeks. But who REALLY cares if she is in pain, as long as Michael Shiavo can move on with his life.

20 If Michael Loved his wife Terri he would give her parents the right to take care of her. If he loved her that much he would have given her rehab for her to get better.

21 quality of life lets see, what is quality of life for one, is not the same as it is for another. I worked with mentally and physically handicap people most of my life. MY GRANDFATHER taught me when i was a child what quality of life was. To him it was that winston cig you held for him, thats all he needed and all he desired was to smoke. He'd been a go getter his whole life, but with a disabling illness, that one cig was his quality of life. And beleive me he couldn't have been happier. Our quality of life is decided by the GOOD LORD ABOVE what he desires us to have. Not a husband, a parent, you or me. Just look at the lives she has touched, I beleive for what ever happens good or bad, its in GODS HANDS and he'll be there in the end either way. If her husband is doing it to get rid of her, then remember what GOD said vengence is mine!!!!!!!!!!! kim

22 I just happened to scan thru the posts and would like to share my views. First of all, to the person who said she knows more about PVS and brain death than most....perhaps you should do some reading. Persistent Vegetative State and Brain Death are not the same thing, even if people use the terms interchangeably. Brain Death is just that....the brain is dead. There are no brain waves, no brain function. In most states, this is considered legal death. After the tests that determine brain death are done, the patient is pronounced dead and life supports are removed. The patient's cardiac and respiratory functions cease shortly thereafter. This is in 'classic' brain death. However, this isn't in all cases. Some patients still exhibit minimal brain functioning, enough to sustain a heartbeat and breathing from several hours, to several days, to several years. This isn't true brain death. This can be lumped into 'persistent vegetative states'. Some people, esp those young and healthy when stricken, can keep breathing and circulating blood for years. Having to tube feed a semi-responsive adult and change their diapers is different from doing the same for a baby. Babies are growing and interacting with their caregivers. Hopefully they will grow up healthy and happy. People in PSVs can range from some level of interaction with their caregivers to minimal or none. They will not get better but rather continue to linger. They were usually healthy otherwise, which is why they didn't die during the acute phase of their illness or collapse. They will continue to exist for years. They live in nursing homes, where they will need to be turned every two hours or get bedsores. Their arms and legs need to be exercised frequently or they will become contracted, like Ms Schiavo's. They are being taken care of by people who are very overworked and who don't make very much money, yet you expect them to take excellent care of these people. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but trust me........if it comes down to a health care worker hurting themselves because there is inadequate help to get a semicomatose patient out of bed, or leaving them in bed, and therefore, more at risk of pneumonia and bedsores.....they're going to look out for themselves. I hope Terri's case serves as an example to people: Make a living will. Or you too can expect a long life filled with tube feedings, infections, limb contractures, diarrhea and bedsores. People are born, and people die and sadly, sometimes there are some people caught in between. Certainly not dead, and yet not quite alive. Unless you are personally willing to give up the rest of your life to make sure you can change Depends and turn someone every two hours and exercise their limbs and wash them and keep them clean. Don't stand in judgement of those who can't do it either. Don't hand over care of your loved one to a nursing home and expect them to care for this person, if you don't. How come I don't see swarms of concerned folk storming the hospitals and volunteering to care for the people they claim have a right to live? Make a living will!

23 All of the bleeding hearts who advocate keeping this poor woman alive should sign a will proclaiming their desire to be kept alive in a vegetative state for 20 years or longer if necessary. They should specify that they desire to have bedpans, diapers, bedsores, etc. etc. and to be cared for by their parents, spouses, children, with the financial assistance of all available charities, medicaid etc. The one thing about this which really disturbs me is that the alternative to continuing this sad existance is to starve her to death. We need the humanity of a Dr. Kevorkian to exit this world when all hope for recovery fails. At least animals who are suffering can be given a merciful injection and go quietly and painlessly.

24 I don't understand one point quite a few of you make here, so please let me grasp your idea: a person in a vegetative state is unable to hear, feel, or perceive anything, right? In other words, he/she does not exist as a person? Ok, so - why should such a non-person care about being kept alive in a vegetative state at all? If I am a vegetable, if my mind - my soul - is simply not there - why should I bother? The "I" of my personality (my persohood) no longer existing, who would bother about my body being hooked on ventilation? Not "me", definitely. So, only the people who are selfish enought not to tolerate the thought that human being can get old, can get sick, can get disbaled, that human beings need attention and care when old, sick, or disabled... Now, my thoughts on Terri's case. What gives me creeps really is the fact that despite that fact that her so-called husband has had a long term realionship plus two children (call it co-habitation, call it common law marriage, call it adultery, all in all he is not being a true and devouted husband to Terri), he is still her legal guardian. Would you like such a "husband" decide for you? What terrifies me even more is that Terri is denied any realiable medical procedures which would indicate the state she is in. Ok folks, let's assume she could be in a persistent vegetative state (she appears not to be, by the way - she responds to stimuli, which defies the definition of a PVS). Why is she denied a PET scan? The dirty thing about it is that there is no reliable data supporting the thesis that Terri is "a rotten tomatoe". If she really is one, ok folks, give me the proofs. Give me the PET scan, give me some lenghty examinations conducted by un-biased neurologists. As to money and all this "diapers changing": don't you worry, folks. There is her family, really eager to take care of Terri. It is not _your_ concern, it is even not the concern of her so-called husband. If the people want to take care of a "rotten tomatoe", as somebody called Terri (though I would say she is a severly disabled person), why shouldn't they be allowed to? Why do you bother about diaper-changing concerning a rotten tomatoe, if you are not in any way affected by it and if you think the tomatoe does not feel anything (nobody asks _you_ to do the diaper-thing for Terri, and as for money, her family is ready to cover the expenses)?

25 I have been so depressed over this case. I can not believe the society we live in. It sickens me. This poor woman is lying in bed screaming inside for someone to feed her at this very moment. I am scared for her. I just can't understand why human beings would let this happen. I have a severly retarded cousin who can not speak, can not go to the bathroom on her own,can not eat on her own, can not walk on her own and can not make eye contact.She is not unlike an infant. Yet she is happy. She smiles and laughs and loves. Should her mother stop feeding her.

26 Michael (the so called loving husband) was already awarded 1.2 million dollars after a malpractice lawsuit to cover her medical bills. Robert Herring even offered him 1 million if he would reverse his decision to have her feeding tube removed and let her parents be her guardian. Michael has refused antibotics for his wife when she was sick, a mri, and also swallow tests to see if she can eat on her own. The last swallow tests were done in 1992. Doctors do not believe she is PVS but her so called husband wont allow the testing and the proper treatment for her. Doctors believe she could improve greatly if she would get the treatment. I dont think he is interested so much in the money but to cover up what really happened to her and I believe he is responisible for what happened to her. Doctors have said that it is very unlikely this happened from low potassium especially to someone in their 20s. In the 1991 bone scan (which he did seal and her parents didnt know about until 199 revealed abnormal stress to her bones such as her back, ribs, sacrolliac joints, knees and ankles. It also states that she had close head injury. The doctors that examined her whenever she first got to the hospital said she had injuries similiar to strangulation. Michael said he heard a thud around 4:30 a.m. and saw her lying on the floor so he rolled her over onto her back. She did not breathe for 5 to 8 minutes even though he knew cpr. Her brother who lived in the same apartment complex was called and whenever he cane and saw her she was on her stomach face down. I have read numerous different web sites about the treatment that her husband has given her and the treatments he has refused and I just can not believe that he is still her guardian. Ive also seen videos of her and she is not a tomato. She moves her head, she makes noises, and smiles. I've seen elderly people in far more worse conditions than she is in. I just hope that the courts have enough brains and common sense to see that the only thing her loving husband is concerned about is killing her and I hope to God her parents get to be her guardians and let her get the proper medical treatment she deserves.

27 The furor that's been stirred up over this case sickens and saddens me. The only question that really, truly needs to be asked is simply "What would Terri have wanted?" That question has been asked, and answered. In 2000, a court decided that Terri's comments conclusively showed that she did not wish to be kept alive in a coma, or vegetative, or dependent state. Sure, the blogs will tell you that this ruling is being questioned now... but come on, it's pretty obvious that it's another one of the hail mary strategies that the family is using to keep postponing the inevitable. Terri didn't want to live dependent on others. She didn't want to be mute, paralyzed and capable of nothing more than tracking a freaking balloon across the ceiling. That should be the end of the story. I feel sorry for the parents, as well as the husband that their private pain has become another talking point in this bogus culture war that's being used to distract us against the fact that our national leaders are stomping on the accelerator and driving our country off the edge of the cliff. I feel especially sorry for the husband, currently being smeared and slandered and accused of everything from abuse, to attempted murder to a blatant money grab. I guess that conservatives automatically assume that every human action is motivated by naked greed, since that is their primary thought-mode. But if the husband was strictly on a money hunt, attempting to shirk his responsibilities or hoping to cover up evidence of some past foul play, wouldn't he have dropped this quest years and years ago, before it it metastastized into the hottest topic in the nation? No other explanation of his actions makes quite as much sense to me as that he truly believes this is what she would have wanted. So everyone should just get out of his way. As an interesting thought experiment, let's try to imagine if congress would have flown in from the corners of the nation and awakened the President to sign a life-saving bill if the vegetable in question had been 1)Black 3)Male or 3)In a coma due to drug use. Though I obviously can't prove it, I'd have to guess the answer is no. This media hysteria follows our national obsession with white, sympathetic, attractive females in danger. Whether it's JonBenet Ramsey or Laci Peterson, these threatened Aryan vessels of feminity seem make all our hearts palpitate in the way that other stories just don't.

28 I think that they shouldn't put the feeding tube back in because it is like someone above said, she has been passed on for 15 years. actually. that is how i see it. it will be hard for the family. and if she doesn't get her feeding tube put back in then i am grieving for you, and it will be hard and i'm not going to lie.

29 I think she should die. I think they should just cut off all the tips of her fingers and let her bleed to death. It would be faster. Far as her husband goes i think he should be killed also. He just wants the money. He made her this way with the violence.I think he should be tortured as well. I would bring him 20 miles out in the woods and tie him to a tree and let him starve to death. Then after both of them are dead we can finally put this behind us and talk about the next set of personal problems this world has to offer.

30 Capt.Ichibum writes that his life is that of having someone do pretty much everything for him, but that he has no wish to die because of it. However, the fact that you can WRITE anything makes you a completely different case than Terri. She can't express herself in any way. Did someone type your feelings on this matter for you, Captain, based on eye movements in order to know exactly what you wanted to say? Or have you the capacity to speak for yourself? If Terri had the ability to speak, write, or type her feelings, then you have the right to compare your situation to hers. Until then, I truly do wish you a life of continued fulfillment, but I also wish that you would not impose your zest for life on someone who hasn't had anything close to it for many, many agonizing years.

31 Excellent point, Melissa!

32 Doctor's have commented that this woman's mental state and physical state pretty much equal that of a mentally retarded individual or person with cerebral palsy. The woman responds to human touch. She smiles. She opens her eyes and looks at you. She may not be able to talk or express how she feels, but the fact remains that SHE DOES FEEL. What they are doing to her is inhumane in the least. She's dying slowly so that her husband can move on with his life. He needs to be investigated, at the very least she deserves that much. So, if you're so set on killing this woman. Look into the eyes of parents who have disabled children and tell them to put a gun to their child's head. Is it not basically the same principle?

33 A gun to their child's head is not at all the same thing, and how exactly is it that you have come to know what Terri wants? She experienced a quality of life at one time and then had it taken away. I have worked with people with cerebral palsy---children to be exact, and even the most severe cases can use sign language and gestures to convey their thoughts. Terri can do none of this, otherwise she would express her wishes and we could all stop making decisions and assumptions on her behalf. Do you know the staggering number of people who make it known in their wills that they do not want to be kept alive artificially? You must all ask yourselves if you would like to live in a bed without being able to speak, eat, drink, taste or move for 15 years. Would you want your husband/children to be stuck with millions of dollars of medical bills all for the privilege of changing your diapers, watching your bedsores grow bigger, and watching your body become painfully contracted with each passing day? I hope if my life ever comes to that, my family will do the just, humane thing and let me go. I also hope that do gooders will not take that right away from my husband or children as they have in Terri's case and decide that they know what is best for me.

34 Doctors will say whatever you want as long as you are the one paying them. I found this out during my workers comp suit. My question here is -- who can you believe -- the parents have their story, Michael has his story, the diagnosis of the doctors are totally different. You can make arguments for both sides of this issue. I can't see that this situation will ever be resolved in a manner that will satisfy everyone. I suppose we are all going to have to turn this one over to God.

35 I SAY THAT THE BRAINDEAD BITCH SHOULD DIE. SHE SHOULD BE TIED TO A WALL AND STONED TO DEATH SINCE SHE DONT FEEL PAIN. I THINK THEY SHOULD THROW 3 STONES A DAY AT HER AND FEED HER JUST WATER SO SHE CAN STAY ALIVE ANOTHER MONTH AND GET STONED EVEN MORE.SHE HAS PUT SO MANY PEOPLE THROUGH SO MUCH HELL THAT SHE EVEN THOUGH SHE CANT FEEL SHOULD STILL BE PUNISHED. IF THEY WOULD LET ME IN THE HOSPITAL I WOULD SLAP HER UP SIDE HER HEAD A FEW TIMES. THE HELL THAT SICK WOMEN HAS PUT HER POOR HUSBAND THROUGH. I ALMOST AGREE WITH THE SHANE QUOTE ABOVE ABOUT CUTTING OFF HER FINGER TIPS BUT I WOULD RATHER SHE BE TORTURED EVEN MORE. I DONT THINK CUTTING OFF HER FOOD AND WATER IS RIGHT. I THINK THEY SHOULD GIVE HER FEEDING TUBE BACK AND STONE HER EVERYDAY FOR ABOUT 3 MONTHS UNTILL SHE IS DEAD. THAT SICK BITCH COST EVEN US TAX PAYERS MONEY AND I AM SICK OF IT. I DONT WANT ANY OF MY TAX DOLLERS TO GO TO ROTTEN SCUM. I WILL SUE HER HUSBAND PRETTY SOON IF THE BITCH DONT DIE. I DONT WANT ANYMORE OF MY TAX DOLLERS IN COURTS FOR THIS ROTTEN BITCH. SO YA I WILL SUE THE HUSBAND SOON IF SHE DONT DIE.

36 I cannot believe what I have just read!! Obviously the person behind the last post is someone who is sick and has absolutely no soul. This woman and her family have been suffering for 13 years. Terri is a woman who needs support not an assault. Whether or not anyone would want to be in that situation goes without question.... of course none of us would want that. But I for one would not like my husband, who is now practically married to someone else with two children, to dictate whether or not I die. I think tests shoul be carried out to see exactly how responsive she is and to see if there is room for any improvement and then let the Supreme Court decide. As for the last post from 'Kill Terri Now' You obviously have problems and need even more attention then Terri does... Its not her problem your welfare for your eight kids by 7 different partners can't have as much pocket money to vandalise the streets. Or that you can't get an upgraded cable system for your unemployed useless ass. But some people are actually worthy of empathy and compassion

37 To whoever posted the KILL TERRI NOW message, I have only this to say. You sound as though you are so concerned about the tax dollars being spent, but are you as concerned about the tax dollars (yes, this is how word "dollars" is spelled) being spent on illegitimate kids, crack babies and their irresponsible parents who are CONSCIOUSLY burdening society in the form of welfare and overpopulation? I can only assume, by reading your email, that are uneducated. None of the sentences in your post were without misspelled words and horrific grammar. The good news: you will never be in a position to legally make such life and death decisions, because doctors, nurses, lawyers and politicians all require some education and hard work, both of which have no part in your existence.

38 Well i think she should die cause all the pain she has caused everyone.Also i think she should die and get this over because i am tired of seeing it on my news everyday.She is nothing more than a worthless cochroach. If her parants were to get her it will still be on my tv's and newspapers everyday.I dont want that.We have spent way to much time on this one people.We should move on to the next issues at hand.I am so bored of seeing this rotten piece of shit on my tv everyday. TERRI SHOULD DIE Also for Conni above me here. A quote for your post. Quit trying to sound so smart. Do you think anyone cares about your intelligents? I sure dont and i dont think the guy who wrote the stuff above cares either.Your prolly the one that lives in the getto and my tax dollars have to pay for your food stamps and your welfare. I am so sick of it all. I wish we didnt have any news than sick people like you wouldnt have to be so nosy and stick there nose up everyone's ass. Fuck Terri Schiavo. She is no more than a rotten bag of worms. Hell even worms have more use then she does. Aleast i can fish with them. So Conni if you love that rotten bitch so much please feel free to clean her rotten ass diaper everyday and clean the sore juice off of her ass. Ya what i thought. Get a life you lowlife scum Conni.

39 Wow. Intelligents. Well, I know one thing for sure. MY tax dollars didn't go to pay for YOUR education. It appears to me that you missed out on getting one. You don't get your point across any clearer or more pertinently by saying "Fuck Terri Schiavo". All that does is prove Conni's point. You, my friend, are the worthless piece of shit you so desperately protest. Congratulations! They really should force you to prove your IQ before allowing you to post here. At least it would weed out those who just want to rant about the ever growing chip on their shoulder for whom they have no one but themselves to blame. The more I think about it, the more I wonder if your tax dollars are paying for anything at all. Who would hire someone as degenerate as you to work for them? No business with any sense that I've ever heard of. Pathetic, you are.

40 As it so happens, I do think that the government should stay out of it, and I think the humane thing for Terri is and has always been to let her die. But it is not Terri's fault that selfish people insist on keeping her alive without regard to her welfare. Do you honestly think that ANYONE would demand to be kept alive for 15 years in a vegetative state? According to court documents and her then husband Michael, she asked to be let go 15 years ago. Never once in my post did I advocate keeping her alive in such a sad state. But, of course, you weren't able understand what I wrote. Your post, as incoherent and badly written as it was, serves only to strengthen my point. How can you refer to someone who has had no ability to tell anyone her wishes for the last 15 interminable years as a "rotten piece of shit"? She has not asked for any of this! She has not asked for ANYTHING for a long time. She deserves our sympathy, not our hatred. Finally, if you are going to accuse someone of being from the ghetto, then at least learn how to spell it.

41 Well sorry conni im not from the ghetto and mispelled a word. So maybe it would be better if you were in Terri shoes and were laying there rotten. It would serve you better.

42 I hope she finally dies today! So is getting so close. I will even drive to where she is to piss on her grave for all the shit she has caused. The sick bitch didnt eat right and her heart stops and were suppose to feel sorry for her? I think not. Thank god to the judge that denied her food and water. The food and water is just a waste.

43 Either side of this issue is a tough place to be. I am almost always surprised by how heated people can become about topics that involve other people's tragedies. The hate that is emanating from many of these posts is appalling, but understandable. It seems that when most people are fearful they attack with hateful statements. I do hope that both sides of any family in Schiavo's situation come through as unscathed as possible. Terrible things can happen to anyone at any time, and reality can be a harsh place to be. Yet, wouldn't it be best to handle it with a bit more love and understanding than with so much hate?

44 You can all take off your tin foil hats... 1. Terri's collapse and subsequent state was caused by a potassium imbalance brought on by bulimia, which, while exceedingly ironic given her current state, isn't really being talked about because god forbid she may have BROUGHT THIS ON HERSELF. http://my.webmd.com/content/Article/102/106853.htm

45 Depends on where you read and who you decide to trust. There are sworn testimony records from doctors and nurses who examined Terri initially after her "injury" that determined that the potassium levels in her body were in fact, not high enough to indicate heart attack or stroke. There were also indications of a neck injury and/or possibility of strangulation. So, I guess it really boils down to who you believe. A man who stands to gain from her death, or not? There are too many stories. Too many things to be considered. All I'm saying is that Michael should be investigated. The judge ignored several legal items when deciding on this case, and has all along. It has been said that Terri was for several years able to be fed orally, until her husband (who cared about her so much?) asked that the oral feeding be stopped and a feeding tube be inserted because it was too costly to have a nurse physically feed her every 3-4 hours. Concerned about her well being? Or concerned about the money that wouldn't be available to him when she died because it was spent on her care? He stopped therapy and treatments that some doctor's say could have helped rehabilitate Terri. I wouldn't want to be alive either, and I'm sure she doesn't. But I sure as hell wouldn't want a man I was ready to divorce, who I had complained to friends and family had abused me, making decisions regarding my life, or lack of it. I don't think the woman should be kept alive under those conditions, but I sure don't think he should be the one making those decisions. The ACLU cracks me up. If we decided to kill a prisoner on death row by means of starvation and dehydration they'd be in everyone's face about basic human rights. If she needs to die, then for God sakes, help her die peacefully, not like this. It's a slow death and whether or not anyone "thinks" she can or can't feel it doesn't matter. That shouldn't be a question. Humanity is the real question. Is she being "helped" to death in the proper manner? I don't think she is.

46 I would love it if some crazy would shoot him when she dies,then he would have to answer to God

47 Ah yes, but then so would the person who shot him. It's not worth another human life down the drain for that man. He's scum, and he only cares about himself. I wonder what kind of a woman would stay with a man knowing he refuses to divorce his first wife even though she's in a vegetative state? And give him children? Maybe she's as money hungry as he is? I think the whole thing is just wrong. The one who should be suffering here is Michael Shiavo. But it seems that until he gets that money from Terri's death, everyone around the entire situation will be made to suffer instead. Where are the checks and balances in our judicial system that are supposed to be in place? I think our government needs to be re-evaluated. They need a report card and right now, I'd fail them. All three branches.

48 well done Michael you did the best and right thing for Terri I feel she was a vegetable, also staying and living like a vegetable would have been cruel,her parents had no money to care for her as needed, also what would happen to her after the passing of her parents as they are aging, who would pay for her care the PUBLIC.Once again I applaud you Michael for your strength and courage through this terrible circus the Shindlers have put their daughter through, God Bless you & thanks for being silent & caring sifraser

49 Party at my house today! Not because a drooling vegetable shuffled off this mortal coil, but because Christians, conservatives, and all of their pathetic, retarded, misguided type got a fantastically appropriate slap in the face that can never be undone... Terri Shitstain is **dead** (FINALLY) and all those rediculous losers with "Pro-Life" signs, puttering around like they can save her with their morals can finally wake up and see that the times-are-a-changin'. Sweet fuck it feels good to see so many religious right-wing crackpots lose a battle of ideologies. I don't give a flying birdshit about what politics were involved, but damn am I feeling smug that another waste-of-air isn't taking up anymore space in the world. Don't get me wrong, I don't actively hate tards. At least not the ones that can be productive to humanity in some way (ie. making cheeseburgers, cleaning dirty floors, being laughed at..) But if I ever came across a fucking vegetable sucking down liquid sandwiches and shitting in a bag, I'd knock *it* down and stomp the fuck out of it. I'd turn that drooling, blinking shitwad into a fucking V8 juice cocktail on the carpet. Then at least I'd know there was 1 less "human" sucking up people's time and money on the world. My name is Xan, and I am PRO-DEATH

50 Well, Xan. Mr. Pro-Death. You're about as intelligent as a vegetable, so please do put a gun to your own head. Make this world a better place. It's product like you that make me want to pull my children from public school. For the record, I know that if I were in her "state" I would have wanted to die also. But not by being starved to death. They arrest people for animal cruelty who do that to their dogs for God sake. They could have let her go peacfully. But to applaud Michael? Now that, gave me a good chuckle. Her parents don't have the money to care for her, but they had the desire. He HAD (I say had because most of it was spent paying attorney's) the money and not the desire. He couldn't wait until "the bitch died" in his own words as testified to in a court of law. What a loving husband.

51 Oh please, putting me out of my own misery wouldn't make this world a better place. It would deprive the world of a much needed advocate of death. With everybody fucking like rabbits and filling this globe with their miserable and often retarded progeny, there needs to be people like me to preach the benefits of Culling(tm). And if I ever was maimed so horribly as to turn into an eggplant with a straw in my head feeding me expensive nutrients, I'd applaud and revere (from beyond the grave of course) anybody that put a shotgun to my head and spattered the lilly white hospital walls with my inept, non-functioning grey matter. I'd turn into their Gaurdian Fucking Angel(tm). And make sure they always heard voices in their heads to put other tards down like the cattle they are. Others like me feel not afraid to speak up as well. I know you're out there somewhere. Every time somebody sighs and gets agitated that the "special kid" from the "special room" shit its pants in the hallway again, you've got a friend in me. Please, feel free to post as many hilarious retorts as possible, you're making my day.. Fuck, you're going in my scrapbook of things that make me smile ^_^ -Xan... Umm.. I mean MR. PRODEATH! PS: Michael Schiavo has been elevated to one of my idols on this Earth for having the courage to tell all of you "pro-lifing" shitstains to FUCK yourselves by putting that drooling idiot of out its misery.

52 >>>PS: Michael Schiavo has been elevated to one of my idols on this Earth for having the courage to tell all of you "pro-lifing" shitstains to FUCK yourselves by putting that drooling idiot of out its misery.<<<< Elevated? To what? Directly below Charles Manson and Edward Gaines? Would it be possible for you, in all your small minded ability, to get a point across without saying Fuck every two words? Just simply eliminating that one word from every single post you've written might appear to increase your intelligence a few notches. Just something to think on. Don't hurt yourself.

53 Fuck is one of my favourite words. How dare you rain your filthy cynicism on my cherished vocabulary. It's fucking up the mood in here. Your fucking up this wonderful bond we've developed. Give me a fucking hug and lets be pals again. Wait, we never were pals. Fuck off and die then. But I fear we've strayed off topic, I didn't say attack my choice of words you silly wanker, I said retort to the position that I'm sure I've driven home in this merry little forum. Maybe if you stayed on topic, you could use your obviously baffling mastery of political jargon and moral perspectives to fuck my little fucking brain right the fuck over. Dazzle me with your cosmic enlightenment on the polarized viewpoints of human vegetative states and perhaps you'll convince me that Terri's death was not reason enough to have an absinthe party at my place a few nights ago...

54 To come right to the point; there would be no reason for Terri Schiavo to have been in a persistent vegetative state; if Michael Schiavo had not been beating her to the point were Terri had FRACTURED RIBS, DAMAGE TOHER PELVIC AREA, LI VERTEBRAA, SPINE, BOTH KNEES WERE BROKEN AND BOTH ANKLES WERE ALSO BROKEN ACCORDING TO THE BONE SCAN. There were injuries to Terri’s neck that were consistant with strangulation. In a letter faxed to Pinellas-Pasco County State Attorney Bernie McCabe, the governor said Michael Schiavo testified in a 1992 medical malpractice trial that he found his wife collapsed at 5 a.m. on Feb. 25, 1990, and he said in a 2003 television interview that he found her about 4:30 a.m. He called 911 at 5:40 a.m. Why did it take Michael Schiavo an HOUR AND TEM MINUTES to call 911? This is a question that Judge Greer should have asked himself before giving Michael the power to decide life or death for Terri or for that matter legal guardianship of Terri Terri Schiavo was severly brain damaged however, Terri was still a humanbeing that had a right to FOOD AND WATER. My God, at the very time Michael Schiavo was watering the grass in front of his house he was also dehydrating his wife. Now, you tell me was is wrong with this picture? “Between 40 and 70 minutes elapsed before the call was made, and I am aware of no explanation for the delay,” Bush wrote. “In light of this new information, I urge you to take a fresh look at this case without any preconceptions as to the outcome I Feel Michael Schiavo got away with MURDER; and to make matters worse Michael got rich and Judge Greer got paid with BLOOD MONEY. Greer did not do his investigation of the Terri Schiavo case correctly; had he done so he would have seen the horrible abuse and neglect with which Terri suffered at the hands of Michael. TO FIND MORE ABOUT TERRI’S ABUSE AND NEGLECT TYPE IN THE WORDS (SAGA OF TERRI SCHIAVO) LISTEN TO: Dr. Hammesfahrs: http://www.apfn.org/audio/DrHammesfahr2.mp3 Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that not only has Terri NEVER had a heart attack as widely reported in the major media, she also NEVER even had a cardiac arrest (her heart never stopped)! [she had arhythmias of the heart but not a “stopped heart.”] To have Judge Greer impeach Type in the words (PETITION TO IMPEACH JUDGE GREER)

55 This comment is for ROTTEN BITCH MUST DIE TODAY, TERRI SHOULD DIE and KILL TERRI NOW. You heartless MOTHER-FUCKERS; how dare you speak of Terri in this way; Terri was a BEAUTIFULL HUMANBEING that had a right to food, water and life just like the west of us. As for the one posted TERRI SHOULD DIE. Terri should not had died, but YOU on the other hand SHOULD! If, anyone is a ROTTEN BAG OF WORMS it is you not TERRI. I don't think you hearless MOTHER-FUCKERS ARE FIT TO TIE TERRI'S SHOES I cannot believe that, there are so-called humanbeings blaming Terri for the abuse and neglect she suffered. I don't care if Terri had an eating disorder or not; there was no fucken reason on this god green earth why Terri Schiavo, (A BEAUTIFUL HUMANBEING) should been tortured for 13 day and then murdered. TERRI IS MY HERO, EVEN THOUGH SHE IS IN HEAVEN, AND IN THE ARMS OF GOD ALMIGHTY.

56 Jill, I completely agree with you. Micheal Schiavo did not care about Terri; infact he acted as if he hated Terri and wanted to make her suffer. Michael was successfull in his ability to do the unthinkable; which was to TORTUR an inocent woman to death by DEHYDRATION AND STARVATION. Jill when I heard that Terri Schiavo died (MARCH 31 Time 9:05AM)it broke my heart. I could be watching TV or cleaning my house and the Terri Schiavo case will come to my mind and before I realize it TEARS are rolling down my face. I cannot believe that an inocent HUMANBEING was allowed to be tortured for thirteen days and then murdered. What little respect I had for the law was totally destroyed the minute Terri was legally mudered. Also, my faith in humanity as been severly damaged.

57 this comment is for finally croaked and terri must die.. you two are in a class all of your own two mother fuckin' cockroaches taking up this blogs space.. i got an idea why don't you leeches just drop off the face of the earth already nobody would miss your worm infested corpses... the one that talks about flipping cheeseburgers ought to choke on one and when he clenches his throat then that retarded mother fucker will know how terri felt and i hope terri gets the priviledge of sending your ass to hell where satan will have a field day on your ass.. satans torture lasts an eternity not just 13 days.. god sees and hears all so the heartless pieces of dog shit i have seen on this blog will definatly NOT win a place in the house of the lord... i'd rather see Terri's face all over the news then to see you cock rocken son-of-a-bitches downing her for a cause that she had no control over... GROW THE FUCK UP i hope when you die Catherine and I get the priviledge of spitting, pissing and shitting on you're graves.. that would be funny so tell me how does it feel to be disrespected and lowered as a human being? you two need to move to the barnum and berry's circus you'd fit in just fine for the class clowns of the year award... i have never seen so much ignorance and lack of respect for a human being that was murdered as i did in this blog these three ass holes that put such fuckin nasty ignorant prototypes in these blogs should be banned for life.. i for one and catherine for two ban these heartless incapable bastards from all blogs concerning terri(the three of you are as follows, terri should die, terri must die today, and finally croaked) you three are such cowards you won't put your real names to the public eye because you know that this blog will open a can of woopass real quick... i pray to god that you motherfuckers one day get to be first in line in terris shoes and i hope that not one person misses you when you die after having every bone in your body broke, you go into a semi vegetable state and someone slowly tortures you guys then YOU DIE then when terri sees you in the gates of heaven she spits on you and pulls the lever for you to go deep down into the pits and tunnels of hell where you would get along just fine with the devil himself and the party of a lifetime would be us knowing your being tortured eternally for the assholes that you are ps. for all the ones that feel the same a i do in the terri schiavo case god bless and may god keep you safe in his arms

58 this comment is for finally croaked and terri must die.. you two are in a class all of your own two mother fuckin' cockroaches taking up this blogs space.. i got an idea why don't you leeches just drop off the face of the earth already nobody would miss your worm infested corpses... the one that talks about flipping cheeseburgers ought to choke on one and when he clenches his throat then that retarded mother fucker will know how terri felt and i hope terri gets the priviledge of sending your ass to hell where satan will have a field day on your ass.. satans torture lasts an eternity not just 13 days.. god sees and hears all so the heartless pieces of dog shit i have seen on this blog will definatly NOT win a place in the house of the lord... i'd rather see Terri's face all over the news then to see you cock rocken son-of-a-bitches downing her for a cause that she had no control over... GROW THE FUCK UP i hope when you die Catherine and I get the priviledge of spitting, pissing and shitting on you're graves.. that would be funny so tell me how does it feel to be disrespected and lowered as a human being? you two need to move to the barnum and berry's circus you'd fit in just fine for the class clowns of the year award... i have never seen so much ignorance and lack of respect for a human being that was murdered as i did in this blog these three ass holes that put such fuckin nasty ignorant prototypes in these blogs should be banned for life.. i for one and catherine for two ban these heartless incapable bastards from all blogs concerning terri(the three of you are as follows, terri should die, terri must die today, and finally croaked) you three are such cowards you won't put your real names to the public eye because you know that this blog will open a can of woopass real quick... i pray to god that you motherfuckers one day get to be first in line in terris shoes and i hope that not one person misses you when you die after having every bone in your body broke, you go into a semi vegetable state and someone slowly tortures you guys then YOU DIE then when terri sees you in the gates of heaven she spits on you and pulls the lever for you to go deep down into the pits and tunnels of hell where you would get along just fine with the devil himself and the party of a lifetime would be us knowing your being tortured eternally for the assholes that you are ps. for all the ones that feel the same a i do in the terri schiavo case god bless and may god keep you safe in his arms

59 this comment is for finally croaked and terri must die.. you two are in a class all of your own two mother fuckin' cockroaches taking up this blogs space.. i got an idea why don't you leeches just drop off the face of the earth already nobody would miss your worm infested corpses... the one that talks about flipping cheeseburgers ought to choke on one and when he clenches his throat then that retarded mother fucker will know how terri felt and i hope terri gets the priviledge of sending your ass to hell where satan will have a field day on your ass.. satans torture lasts an eternity not just 13 days.. god sees and hears all so the heartless pieces of dog shit i have seen on this blog will definatly NOT win a place in the house of the lord... i'd rather see Terri's face all over the news then to see you cock rocken son-of-a-bitches downing her for a cause that she had no control over... GROW THE FUCK UP i hope when you die Catherine and I get the priviledge of spitting, pissing and shitting on you're graves.. that would be funny so tell me how does it feel to be disrespected and lowered as a human being? you two need to move to the barnum and berry's circus you'd fit in just fine for the class clowns of the year award... i have never seen so much ignorance and lack of respect for a human being that was murdered as i did in this blog these three ass holes that put such fuckin nasty ignorant prototypes in these blogs should be banned for life.. i for one and catherine for two ban these heartless incapable bastards from all blogs concerning terri(the three of you are as follows, terri should die, terri must die today, and finally croaked) you three are such cowards you won't put your real names to the public eye because you know that this blog will open a can of woopass real quick... i pray to god that you motherfuckers one day get to be first in line in terris shoes and i hope that not one person misses you when you die after having every bone in your body broke, you go into a semi vegetable state and someone slowly tortures you guys then YOU DIE then when terri sees you in the gates of heaven she spits on you and pulls the lever for you to go deep down into the pits and tunnels of hell where you would get along just fine with the devil himself and the party of a lifetime would be us knowing your being tortured eternally for the assholes that you are ps. for all the ones that feel the same a i do in the terri schiavo case god bless and may god keep you safe in his arms

60 this comment is for finally croaked and terri must die.. you two are in a class all of your own two mother fuckin' cockroaches taking up this blogs space.. i got an idea why don't you leeches just drop off the face of the earth already nobody would miss your worm infested corpses... the one that talks about flipping cheeseburgers ought to choke on one and when he clenches his throat then that retarded mother fucker will know how terri felt and i hope terri gets the priviledge of sending your ass to hell where satan will have a field day on your ass.. satans torture lasts an eternity not just 13 days.. god sees and hears all so the heartless pieces of dog shit i have seen on this blog will definatly NOT win a place in the house of the lord... i'd rather see Terri's face all over the news then to see you cock rocken son-of-a-bitches downing her for a cause that she had no control over... GROW THE FUCK UP i hope when you die Catherine and I get the priviledge of spitting, pissing and shitting on you're graves.. that would be funny so tell me how does it feel to be disrespected and lowered as a human being? you two need to move to the barnum and berry's circus you'd fit in just fine for the class clowns of the year award... i have never seen so much ignorance and lack of respect for a human being that was murdered as i did in this blog these three ass holes that put such fuckin nasty ignorant prototypes in these blogs should be banned for life.. i for one and catherine for two ban these heartless incapable bastards from all blogs concerning terri(the three of you are as follows, terri should die, terri must die today, and finally croaked) you three are such cowards you won't put your real names to the public eye because you know that this blog will open a can of woopass real quick... i pray to god that you motherfuckers one day get to be first in line in terris shoes and i hope that not one person misses you when you die after having every bone in your body broke, you go into a semi vegetable state and someone slowly tortures you guys then YOU DIE then when terri sees you in the gates of heaven she spits on you and pulls the lever for you to go deep down into the pits and tunnels of hell where you would get along just fine with the devil himself and the party of a lifetime would be us knowing your being tortured eternally for the assholes that you are ps. for all the ones that feel the same a i do in the terri schiavo case god bless and may god keep you safe in his arms Posted by JENNIFER ROBERTS at July 3, 2005 01:

61 this comment is for finally croaked and terri must die.. you two are in a class all of your own two mother fuckin' cockroaches taking up this blogs space.. i got an idea why don't you leeches just drop off the face of the earth already nobody would miss your worm infested corpses... the one that talks about flipping cheeseburgers ought to choke on one and when he clenches his throat then that retarded mother fucker will know how terri felt and i hope terri gets the priviledge of sending your ass to hell where satan will have a field day on your ass.. satans torture lasts an eternity not just 13 days.. god sees and hears all so the heartless pieces of dog shit i have seen on this blog will definatly NOT win a place in the house of the lord... i'd rather see Terri's face all over the news then to see you cock rocken son-of-a-bitches downing her for a cause that she had no control over... GROW THE FUCK UP i hope when you die Catherine and I get the priviledge of spitting, pissing and shitting on you're graves.. that would be funny so tell me how does it feel to be disrespected and lowered as a human being? you two need to move to the barnum and berry's circus you'd fit in just fine for the class clowns of the year award... i have never seen so much ignorance and lack of respect for a human being that was murdered as i did in this blog these three ass holes that put such fuckin nasty ignorant prototypes in these blogs should be banned for life.. i for one and catherine for two ban these heartless incapable bastards from all blogs concerning terri(the three of you are as follows, terri should die, terri must die today, and finally croaked) you three are such cowards you won't put your real names to the public eye because you know that this blog will open a can of woopass real quick... i pray to god that you motherfuckers one day get to be first in line in terris shoes and i hope that not one person misses you when you die after having every bone in your body broke, you go into a semi vegetable state and someone slowly tortures you guys then YOU DIE then when terri sees you in the gates of heaven she spits on you and pulls the lever for you to go deep down into the pits and tunnels of hell where you would get along just fine with the devil himself and the party of a lifetime would be us knowing your being tortured eternally for the assholes that you are ps. for all the ones that feel the same a i do in the terri schiavo case god bless and may god keep you safe in his arms Posted by JENNIFER ROBERTS at July 3, 2005 01:

62 this comment is for finally croaked and terri must die.. you two are in a class all of your own two mother fuckin' cockroaches taking up this blogs space.. i got an idea why don't you leeches just drop off the face of the earth already nobody would miss your worm infested corpses... the one that talks about flipping cheeseburgers ought to choke on one and when he clenches his throat then that retarded mother fucker will know how terri felt and i hope terri gets the priviledge of sending your ass to hell where satan will have a field day on your ass.. satans torture lasts an eternity not just 13 days.. god sees and hears all so the heartless pieces of dog shit i have seen on this blog will definatly NOT win a place in the house of the lord... i'd rather see Terri's face all over the news then to see you cock rocken son-of-a-bitches downing her for a cause that she had no control over... GROW THE FUCK UP i hope when you die Catherine and I get the priviledge of spitting, pissing and shitting on you're graves.. that would be funny so tell me how does it feel to be disrespected and lowered as a human being? you two need to move to the barnum and berry's circus you'd fit in just fine for the class clowns of the year award... i have never seen so much ignorance and lack of respect for a human being that was murdered as i did in this blog these three ass holes that put such fuckin nasty ignorant prototypes in these blogs should be banned for life.. i for one and catherine for two ban these heartless incapable bastards from all blogs concerning terri(the three of you are as follows, terri should die, terri must die today, and finally croaked) you three are such cowards you won't put your real names to the public eye because you know that this blog will open a can of woopass real quick... i pray to god that you motherfuckers one day get to be first in line in terris shoes and i hope that not one person misses you when you die after having every bone in your body broke, you go into a semi vegetable state and someone slowly tortures you guys then YOU DIE then when terri sees you in the gates of heaven she spits on you and pulls the lever for you to go deep down into the pits and tunnels of hell where you would get along just fine with the devil himself and the party of a lifetime would be us knowing your being tortured eternally for the assholes that you are ps. for all the ones that feel the same a i do in the terri schiavo case god bless and may god keep you safe in his arms

63 this comment is for finally croaked and terri must die.. you two are in a class all of your own two mother fuckin' cockroaches taking up this blogs space.. i got an idea why don't you leeches just drop off the face of the earth already nobody would miss your worm infested corpses... the one that talks about flipping cheeseburgers ought to choke on one and when he clenches his throat then that retarded mother fucker will know how terri felt and i hope terri gets the priviledge of sending your ass to hell where satan will have a field day on your ass.. satans torture lasts an eternity not just 13 days.. god sees and hears all so the heartless pieces of dog shit i have seen on this blog will definatly NOT win a place in the house of the lord... i'd rather see Terri's face all over the news then to see you cock rocken son-of-a-bitches downing her for a cause that she had no control over... GROW THE FUCK UP i hope when you die Catherine and I get the priviledge of spitting, pissing and shitting on you're graves.. that would be funny so tell me how does it feel to be disrespected and lowered as a human being? you two need to move to the barnum and berry's circus you'd fit in just fine for the class clowns of the year award... i have never seen so much ignorance and lack of respect for a human being that was murdered as i did in this blog these three ass holes that put such fuckin nasty ignorant prototypes in these blogs should be banned for life.. i for one and catherine for two ban these heartless incapable bastards from all blogs concerning terri(the three of you are as follows, terri should die, terri must die today, and finally croaked) you three are such cowards you won't put your real names to the public eye because you know that this blog will open a can of woopass real quick... i pray to god that you motherfuckers one day get to be first in line in terris shoes and i hope that not one person misses you when you die after having every bone in your body broke, you go into a semi vegetable state and someone slowly tortures you guys then YOU DIE then when terri sees you in the gates of heaven she spits on you and pulls the lever for you to go deep down into the pits and tunnels of hell where you would get along just fine with the devil himself and the party of a lifetime would be us knowing your being tortured eternally for the assholes that you are ps. for all the ones that feel the same a i do in the terri schiavo case god bless and may god keep you safe in his arms

64 Firstbrokenangel At first I felt as you do now, but as I looked in to the Terri Schiavo case; it became painfully clear to me that Michael not only did not care about his wife he wanted Terri to suffer. Here are affidavits of three former nurses / caretakers of Terri Schiavo, relating their horror at the abusive treatment and lack of treatment regarding Terri's care. NO RESUSCITATION (if needed); NO ANTIBIOTICS FOR URINARY TRACT INFECTIONS! NO REHABILITATION OF ANY KIND, INCLUDING RANGE OF MOTION AND STIMULATION! NEVER ALLOWED TO LEAVE HER ROOM FOR FRESH AIR AND SUNSHINE! APPARENT INSULIN REACTIONS AFTER MICHAEL'S VISITS (she is not diabetic)! MORE! and MORE! and MORE!, all under the ORDERS OF MICHAEL SCHIAVO, the husband who convinced a jury that their large award would allow him to take her home and care for her for the rest of his life. His 'fiance' with whom he's lived for seven years is expecting their second child. He was heard on a news broadcast saying Terri has received rehabilitation therapy for 13 years. He's received death threats and has temporarily moved from his present address. I wonder if Michael Schiavo will be able to sleep again? Or leave his home without a body guard? If something happened to him, who would get what's left of Terri's medical fund? His new wife? or the STATE? Doubtful he'll ever really feel safe or comfortable again, wondering. . . Terri is bathed in the Light of God, the Love of God, the Presence of God, and the Protection of God. Hold her in your mind and heart; in your Love. -- Jackie -- Saturday, October 18th, 2003 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.terrisfight.org/Framesets/RecentFrame.htm CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N. AFFIDAVIT _________ STATE OF FLORIDA ) COUNTY OF PINELLAS ) BEFORE ME the undersigned authority personally appeared CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N., who being first duly sworn, deposes and says: 1. My name is Carla Sauer Iyer. I am over the age of eighteen and make this statement of my own personal knowledge. 2. I am a registered nurse in the State of Florida, having been licensed continuously in Florida from 1997 to the present. Prior to that I was a Licensed Practical Nurse for about four years. 3. I was employed at Palm Garden of Largo Convalescent Center in Largo, Florida from April 1995 to July 1996, while Terri Schiavo was a patient there. 4. It was clear to me at Palm Gardens that all decisions regarding Terri Schiavo were made by Michael Schiavo, with no allowance made for any discussion, debate or normal professional judgment. My initial training there consisted solely of the instruction "Do what Michael Schiavo tells you or you will be terminated." This struck me as extremely odd. 5. I was very disturbed by the decision making protocol, as no allowance whatsoever was made for professional responsibility. The atmosphere throughout the facility was dominated by Mr. Schiavo's intimidation. Everyone there, with the exception of several people who seemed to be close to Michael, was intimidated by him. Michael Schiavo always had an overbearing attitude, yelling numerous times such things as "This is my order and you're going to follow it." He is very large and uses menacing body language, such as standing too close to you, getting right in your face and practically shouting. 6. To the best of my recollection, rehabilitation had been ordered for Terri, but I never saw any being done or had any reason at all to believe that there was ever any rehab of Terri done at Palm Gardens while I was there. I became concerned because Michael wanted nothing done for Terri at all, no antibiotics, no tests, no range of motion therapy, no stimulation, no nothing. Michael said again and again that Terri should NOT get any rehab, that there should be no range of motion whatsoever, or anything else. I and a CNA named Roxy would give Terri range of motion anyway. One time I put a wash cloth in Terri's hand to keep her fingers from curling together, and Michael saw it and made me take it out, saying that was therapy. 7. Terri's medical condition was systematically distorted and misrepresented by Michael. When I worked with her, she was alert and oriented. Terri spoke on a regular basis while in my presence, saying such things as "mommy," and "help me." "Help me" was, in fact, one of her most frequent utterances. I heard her say it hundreds of times. Terri would try to say the word "pain" when she was in discomfort, but it came out more like "pay." She didn't say the "n" sound very well. During her menses she would indicate her discomfort by saying "pay" and moving her arms toward her lower abdominal area. Other ways that she would indicate that she was in pain included pursing her lips, grimacing, thrashing in bed, curling her toes or moving her legs around. She would let you know when she had a bowel movement by flipping up the covers and pulling on her diaper and scooted in bed on her bottom. 8. When I came into her room and said "Hi, Terri", she would always recognize my voice and her name, and would turn her head all the way toward me, saying "Haaaiiiii" sort of, as she did. I recognized this as a "hi", which is very close to what it sounded like, the whole sound being only a second or two long. When I told her humrous stories about my life or something I read in the paper, Terri would chuckle, sometimes more a giggle or laugh. She would move her whole body, upper and lower. Her legs would sometimes be off the bed, and need to be repositioned. I made numerous entries into the nursing notes in her chart, stating verbatim what she said and her various behaviors, but by my next on-duty shift, the notes would be deleted from her chart. Every time I made a positive entry about any responsiveness of Terri's, someone would remove it after my shift ended. Michael always demanded to see her chart as soon as he arrived, and would take it in her room with him. I documented Terri's rehab potential well, writing whole pages about Terri's responsiveness, but they would always be deleted by the next time I saw her chart. The reason I wrote so much was that everybody else seemed to be afraid to make positive entries for fear of their jobs, but I felt very strongly that a nurses job was to accurately record everything we see and hear that bears on a patients condition and their family. I upheld the Nurses Practice Act, and if it cost me my job, I was willing to accept that. 9. Throughout my time at Palm Gardens, Michael Schiavo was focused on Terri's death. Michael would say "When is she going to die?," "Has she died yet?" and "When is that bitch gonna die?" These statements were common knowledge at Palm Gardens, as he would make them casually in passing, without regard even for who he was talking to, as long as it was a staff member. Other statements which I recall him making include "Can't anything be done to accelerate her death - won't she ever die?" When she wouldn't die, Michael would be furious. Michael was also adamant that the family should not be given information. He made numerous statements such as "Make sure the parents aren't contacted." I recorded Michael's statements word for word in Terri's chart, but these entries were also deleted after the end of my shift. Standing orders were that the family wasn't to be contacted, in fact, there was a large sign in the front of her chart that said under no circumstances was her family to be called, call Michael immediately, but I would call them, anyway, because I thought they should know about their daughter. 10. Any time Terri would be sick, like with a UTI [urinary tract infection]or fluid buildup in her lungs, colds, or pneumonia, Michael would be visibly excited, thrilled even, hoping that she would die. He would say something like, "Hallelujah! You've made my day!" He would call me, as I was the nurse supervisor on the floor, and ask for every little detail about her temperature, blood pressure, etc., and would call back frequently asking if she was dead yet. He would blurt out "I'm going to be rich!" and would talk about all the things he would buy when Terri died, which included a new car, a new boat, and going to Europe, among other things. 11. When Michael visited Terri, he always came alone and always had the door closed and locked while he was with Terri. He would typically be there about twenty minutes or so. When he left Terri would be trembling, crying hysterically, and would be very pale and have cold sweats. It looked to me like Terri was having a hypoglycemic reaction, so I'd check her blood sugar. The glucometer reading would be so low it was below the range where it would register an actual number reading. I would put dextrose in Terri's mouth to counteract it. This happened about five times on my shift, as I recall. Normally Terri's blood sugar levels were very stable due to the uniformity of her diet through tube feeding. It is medically possible that Michael injected Terri with Regular insulin, which is very fast acting, but I don't have any way of knowing for sure. 12. The longer I was employed at Palm Gardens the more concerned I became about patient care, both relating to Terri Schiavo, for the reasons I've said, and other patients, too. There was an LPN named Carolyn Adams, known as "Andy" Adams who was a particular concern. An unusual number of patients seemed to die on her shift, but she was completely unconcerned, making statements such as "They are old - let them die." I couldn't believe her attitude or the fact that it didn't seem to attract any attention. She made many comments about Terri being a waste of money, that she should die. She said it was costing Michael a lot of money to keep her alive, and that he complained about it constantly (I heard him complain about it all the time, too.) Both Michael and Adams said that she would be worth more to him if she were dead. I ultimately called the police relative to this situation, and was terminated the next day. Other reasons were cited, but I was convinced it was because of my "rocking the boat." 13. Ms. Adams was one of the people who did not seem to be intimidated by Michael. In fact, they seemed to be very close, and Adams would do whatever Michael told her. Michael sometimes called Adams at night and spoke at length. I was not able to hear the content of these phone calls, but I knew it was him talking to her because she would tell me afterward and relay orders from him. 14. I have contacted the Schindler family because I just couldn't stand by and let Terri die without the truth being known. FURTHER AFFIANT SAYETH NAUGHT. CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N. The foregoing instrument was acknowledged before me this 29 day of August, 2003, by CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N., who produced her Florida's driver's license as identification, and who did take an oath. Notary Public My commission expires ========================================= CAROLYN JOHNSON, CNA STATE OF FLORIDA COUNTY OF PINELLAS AFFIDAVIT _________ BEFORE ME the undersigned authority personally appeared CAROLYN JOHNSON who being first duly sworn deposes and says: 1. My name is Carolyn Johnson, I am over the age of 18 years and make this statement on personal information. 2. I used to work at Sabal Palms nursing home in Largo, for a period of about two years. I actually was employed by a nursing agency and was placed at Sabal Palms as a Certified Nursing Assistant (CNA). I believe the events related here occurred in about 1993. 3. During this assignment I took care of Terri Schiavo several times. The first time I saw her my duties were being explained to me by the nurse on duty. Terri Schiavo was lying in bed. Another patient, also a young woman about the same age and in the same condition, was sitting up in a chair, with a drink cup and straw in front of her. 4. I asked why Terri was not up in a chair, too. I learned, as part of my training, that there was a family dispute and that the husband, as guardian, wanted no rehabilitation for Terri. This surprised me, as I did not think a guardian could go against a doctor's orders like that, but I was assured that a guardian could and that this guardian had gone against Terri's doctor's orders. 5. No one was allowed to just go in and see Terri. Michael had a visitors list. We all knew that we would lose our jobs if we did not do exactly what Michael said to do. 6. I remember seeing Michael Schiavo only once the entire time I worked at Sabal Palms, but we were all aware that Terri was not to be given any kind of rehabilitative help, per his instructions. Once, I wanted to put a cloth in Terri's hand to keep her hand from closing in on itself, but I was not permitted to do this, as Michael Schiavo considered that to be a form of rehabilitation. 7. This entire experience made me look hard at nursing homes. After about two years, I quit this job, because I was so disillusioned with the way Terri was treated. Someone somewhere along the way should have reported this. FURTHER AFFIANT SAYETH NAUGHT. Carolyn Johnson, Affiant Sworn to and subscribed before me this 28 day of August, 2003, by Carolyn Johnson who produced a Florida drivers license as identification. Notary Public My commission expires =================================== HEIDI LAW, CNA AFFIDAVIT _________ STATE OF FLORIDA COUNTY OF PINELLAS BEFORE ME the undersigned authority personally appeared HEIDI LAW who being first duly sworn deposes and says: 1. My name is Heidi Law, I am over the age of 18 years, and make this statement on personal information. 2. I worked as a Certified Nursing Assistant at the Palm Gardens nursing home from March, 1997 to mid-summer of 1997. While I was employed at Palm Gardens, occasionally I took care of Theresa Schiavo. Generally, I worked the 3 p.m. to 11 p.m. shift, but occasionally also would work a double shift, until 7 a.m. the following morning. 3. At Palm Gardens, most of the patient care was provided by the CNAs, so I was in a good position to judge Terri's condition and observe her reactions. Terri was noticeable, because she was the youngest patient at Palm Gardens. 4. I know that Terri did not receive routine physical therapy or any other kind of therapy. I was personally aware of orders for rehabilitation that were not being carried out. Even though they were ordered, Michael would stop them. Michael ordered that Terri receive no rehabilitation or range of motion therapy. I and Olga would give Terri range of motion anyway, but we knew we were endangering our jobs by doing so. We usually did this behind closed doors, we were so fearful of being caught. Our hearts would race and we were always looking out for Michael, because we knew that, not only would Michael take his anger out on us, but he would take it out more on Terri. We spoke of this many times. 5. Terri had very definite likes and dislikes. Olga and I used to call Terri "Fancy Pants," because she was so particular about certain things. She just adored her baths, and was so happy afterward when she was all clean, smelling sweet from the lotion her mother provided, and wearing the soft nightgowns her mother laundered for her. Terri definitely did not like the taste of the teeth-cleaning swabs or the mouthwash we used. She liked to have her hair combed. She did not like being tucked in, and especially hated it if her legs were tightly tucked. You would always tell when Terri had a bowel movement, as she seem agitated and would sort of "scoot" to get away from it. 6. Every day, Terri was gotten up after lunch and sat in a chair all afternoon. When Terri was in bed, she very much preferred to lie on her right side and look out the window. We always said that she was watching for her mother. It was very obvious that her mother was her favorite person in the whole world. 7. I worked side-by-side with another CNA named Olga and could tell that she and Terri were especially close. Olga took a definite personal interest in Terri, and Terri responded to her. I could tell that Terri was very satisfied and happy with Olga's attentions to her. 8. When Olga was talking with Terri, Terri would follow Olga with her eyes. I have no doubt in my mind that Terri understood what Olga was saying to her. I could tell a definite difference between the way Terri responded to Olga and the way she reacted to me, until she got used to my taking care of her. Initially, she "clammed up" with me, the way she would with anyone she did not know or was not familiar or comfortable with. It took about the fourth or fifth time taking care of her alone, without Olga, that Terri became relaxed and cooperative and non-resistant with me. 9. Terri reacted very well to seeing a picture of her mother, which was in her room. Many times when I came on duty it would be lying face down where she could not see it. 10. At least three times during any shift where I took care of Terri, I made sure to give Terri a wet washcloth filled with ice chips, to keep her mouth moistened. I personally saw her swallow the ice water and never saw her gag. Olga and I frequently put orange juice or apple juice in her washcloth to give her something nice to taste, which made her happy. On three or four occasions I personally fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she was able to swallow and enjoyed immensely. I did not do it more often only because I was so afraid of being caught by Michael. 11. On one occasion Michael Schiavo arrived with his girlfriend, and they entered Terri's room together. I heard Michael tell his girlfriend that Terri was in a persistent vegetative state and was dying. After they left, Olga told me that Terri was extremely agitated and upset, and wouldn't react to anyone. When she was upset, which was usually the case after Michael was there, she would withdraw for hours. We were convinced that he was abusing her, and probably saying cruel, terrible things to her because she would be so upset when he left. 12. In the past, I have taken care of comatose patients, including those in a persistent vegetative state. While it is true that those patients will flinch or make sounds occasionally, they don't do it as a reaction to someone on a constant basis who is taking care of them, the way I saw Terri do. 13. I witnessed a priest visiting Terri a couple of times. Terri would become quiet when he prayed with her. She couldn't bow her head because of her stiff neck, but she would still try. During the prayer, she would keep her eyes closed, opening them afterward. She laughed at jokes he told her. I definitely know that Terri "is in there." 14. The Palm Gardens staff, myself included, were just amazed that a "Do Not Resuscitate" order had been put on Terri's chart, considering her age and her obvious cognitive awareness of her surroundings. 15. During the time I cared for Terri, she formed words. I have heard her say "mommy" from time to time, and "momma," and she also said "help me" a number of times. She would frequently make noises like she was trying to talk. Other staff members talked about her verbalizations. 16. Several times when Michael visited Terri during my shift, he went into her room alone and closed the door. This worried me because I didn't trust Michael. When he left, Terri was very agitated, was extremely tense with tightened fists and some times had a cold sweat. She was much less responsive than usual and would just stare out the window, her eyes kind of glassy. It would take much more time and effort than usual to work her hands open to clean her palms. 17. I was told by supervisory staff that Michael was Terri's legal guardian, and that it didn't matter what the parents or the doctors or nurses wanted, just do what Michael told you to do or you will lose your job. Michael would override the orders of the doctors and nurses to make sure Terri got no treatment. Among the things that Terri was deprived of by Michael's orders were any kind of testing, dental care or stimulation. I was ordered by my supervisors to limit my time with Terri. I recall telling my supervisor that Terri seemed abnormally warm to the touch. I was told to pull her covers down, rather than to take her temperature. As far as I know, Terri never left her room. The only stimulation she had was looking out the window and watching things, and the radio, which Michael insisted be left on one particular station. She had a television, and there was a sign below it saying not to change the channel. This was because of Michael's orders. 18. As a CNA, I wanted every piece of information I could get about my patients. I never had access to medical records as a CNA, but it was part of my job duties to write my observations down on sheets of paper, which I turned over to the nurse at the nurses station for inclusion in the patients charts. In the case of Terri Schiavo, I felt that my notes were thrown out without even being read. There were trash cans at the nurses stations that we were supposed to empty each shift, and I often saw the notes in them. I made extensive notes and listed all of Terri's behaviors, but there was never any apparent follow up consistent with her responsiveness. 19. I discussed this situation with other personnel at Palm Gardens, particularly with Olga, and another CNA, an older black man named Ewan Morris. We all discussed the fact that we could be fired for reporting that Terri was responsive, and especially for giving her treatment. The advice among the staff was "don't do nothin', don't see nothin' and don't say nothin'." It was particularly distressing that we always had to be afraid that if Michael got upset, he would take his anger out on Terri. 20. I recall an incident when Olga became very upset because Terri started to get a sore spot, because it might lead to a bedsore. Michael was told about it but didn't seem to care. he didn't complain about it at all, in fact, saying "she doesn't know the difference." When Terri would get a UTI or was sick, Michael's mood would improve. FURTHER AFFIANT SAYETH NAUGHT. Heidi Law, Affiant STATE OF FLORIDA COUNTY OF PINELLAS Sworn to and subscribed before me this 30th day of August, 2003, by HEIDI LAW, who produced a Florida Driver's License as identification. Notary Public My Commission expires:

65 Firstbrokenangel At first I felt as you do now, but as I looked in to the Terri Schiavo case; it became painfully clear to me that Michael not only did not care about his wife he wanted Terri to suffer. Here are affidavits of three former nurses / caretakers of Terri Schiavo, relating their horror at the abusive treatment and lack of treatment regarding Terri's care. NO RESUSCITATION (if needed); NO ANTIBIOTICS FOR URINARY TRACT INFECTIONS! NO REHABILITATION OF ANY KIND, INCLUDING RANGE OF MOTION AND STIMULATION! NEVER ALLOWED TO LEAVE HER ROOM FOR FRESH AIR AND SUNSHINE! APPARENT INSULIN REACTIONS AFTER MICHAEL'S VISITS (she is not diabetic)! MORE! and MORE! and MORE!, all under the ORDERS OF MICHAEL SCHIAVO, the husband who convinced a jury that their large award would allow him to take her home and care for her for the rest of his life. His 'fiance' with whom he's lived for seven years is expecting their second child. He was heard on a news broadcast saying Terri has received rehabilitation therapy for 13 years. He's received death threats and has temporarily moved from his present address. I wonder if Michael Schiavo will be able to sleep again? Or leave his home without a body guard? If something happened to him, who would get what's left of Terri's medical fund? His new wife? or the STATE? Doubtful he'll ever really feel safe or comfortable again, wondering. . . Terri is bathed in the Light of God, the Love of God, the Presence of God, and the Protection of God. Hold her in your mind and heart; in your Love. -- Jackie -- Saturday, October 18th, 2003 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.terrisfight.org/Framesets/RecentFrame.htm CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N. AFFIDAVIT _________ STATE OF FLORIDA ) COUNTY OF PINELLAS ) BEFORE ME the undersigned authority personally appeared CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N., who being first duly sworn, deposes and says: 1. My name is Carla Sauer Iyer. I am over the age of eighteen and make this statement of my own personal knowledge. 2. I am a registered nurse in the State of Florida, having been licensed continuously in Florida from 1997 to the present. Prior to that I was a Licensed Practical Nurse for about four years. 3. I was employed at Palm Garden of Largo Convalescent Center in Largo, Florida from April 1995 to July 1996, while Terri Schiavo was a patient there. 4. It was clear to me at Palm Gardens that all decisions regarding Terri Schiavo were made by Michael Schiavo, with no allowance made for any discussion, debate or normal professional judgment. My initial training there consisted solely of the instruction "Do what Michael Schiavo tells you or you will be terminated." This struck me as extremely odd. 5. I was very disturbed by the decision making protocol, as no allowance whatsoever was made for professional responsibility. The atmosphere throughout the facility was dominated by Mr. Schiavo's intimidation. Everyone there, with the exception of several people who seemed to be close to Michael, was intimidated by him. Michael Schiavo always had an overbearing attitude, yelling numerous times such things as "This is my order and you're going to follow it." He is very large and uses menacing body language, such as standing too close to you, getting right in your face and practically shouting. 6. To the best of my recollection, rehabilitation had been ordered for Terri, but I never saw any being done or had any reason at all to believe that there was ever any rehab of Terri done at Palm Gardens while I was there. I became concerned because Michael wanted nothing done for Terri at all, no antibiotics, no tests, no range of motion therapy, no stimulation, no nothing. Michael said again and again that Terri should NOT get any rehab, that there should be no range of motion whatsoever, or anything else. I and a CNA named Roxy would give Terri range of motion anyway. One time I put a wash cloth in Terri's hand to keep her fingers from curling together, and Michael saw it and made me take it out, saying that was therapy. 7. Terri's medical condition was systematically distorted and misrepresented by Michael. When I worked with her, she was alert and oriented. Terri spoke on a regular basis while in my presence, saying such things as "mommy," and "help me." "Help me" was, in fact, one of her most frequent utterances. I heard her say it hundreds of times. Terri would try to say the word "pain" when she was in discomfort, but it came out more like "pay." She didn't say the "n" sound very well. During her menses she would indicate her discomfort by saying "pay" and moving her arms toward her lower abdominal area. Other ways that she would indicate that she was in pain included pursing her lips, grimacing, thrashing in bed, curling her toes or moving her legs around. She would let you know when she had a bowel movement by flipping up the covers and pulling on her diaper and scooted in bed on her bottom. 8. When I came into her room and said "Hi, Terri", she would always recognize my voice and her name, and would turn her head all the way toward me, saying "Haaaiiiii" sort of, as she did. I recognized this as a "hi", which is very close to what it sounded like, the whole sound being only a second or two long. When I told her humrous stories about my life or something I read in the paper, Terri would chuckle, sometimes more a giggle or laugh. She would move her whole body, upper and lower. Her legs would sometimes be off the bed, and need to be repositioned. I made numerous entries into the nursing notes in her chart, stating verbatim what she said and her various behaviors, but by my next on-duty shift, the notes would be deleted from her chart. Every time I made a positive entry about any responsiveness of Terri's, someone would remove it after my shift ended. Michael always demanded to see her chart as soon as he arrived, and would take it in her room with him. I documented Terri's rehab potential well, writing whole pages about Terri's responsiveness, but they would always be deleted by the next time I saw her chart. The reason I wrote so much was that everybody else seemed to be afraid to make positive entries for fear of their jobs, but I felt very strongly that a nurses job was to accurately record everything we see and hear that bears on a patients condition and their family. I upheld the Nurses Practice Act, and if it cost me my job, I was willing to accept that. 9. Throughout my time at Palm Gardens, Michael Schiavo was focused on Terri's death. Michael would say "When is she going to die?," "Has she died yet?" and "When is that bitch gonna die?" These statements were common knowledge at Palm Gardens, as he would make them casually in passing, without regard even for who he was talking to, as long as it was a staff member. Other statements which I recall him making include "Can't anything be done to accelerate her death - won't she ever die?" When she wouldn't die, Michael would be furious. Michael was also adamant that the family should not be given information. He made numerous statements such as "Make sure the parents aren't contacted." I recorded Michael's statements word for word in Terri's chart, but these entries were also deleted after the end of my shift. Standing orders were that the family wasn't to be contacted, in fact, there was a large sign in the front of her chart that said under no circumstances was her family to be called, call Michael immediately, but I would call them, anyway, because I thought they should know about their daughter. 10. Any time Terri would be sick, like with a UTI [urinary tract infection]or fluid buildup in her lungs, colds, or pneumonia, Michael would be visibly excited, thrilled even, hoping that she would die. He would say something like, "Hallelujah! You've made my day!" He would call me, as I was the nurse supervisor on the floor, and ask for every little detail about her temperature, blood pressure, etc., and would call back frequently asking if she was dead yet. He would blurt out "I'm going to be rich!" and would talk about all the things he would buy when Terri died, which included a new car, a new boat, and going to Europe, among other things. 11. When Michael visited Terri, he always came alone and always had the door closed and locked while he was with Terri. He would typically be there about twenty minutes or so. When he left Terri would be trembling, crying hysterically, and would be very pale and have cold sweats. It looked to me like Terri was having a hypoglycemic reaction, so I'd check her blood sugar. The glucometer reading would be so low it was below the range where it would register an actual number reading. I would put dextrose in Terri's mouth to counteract it. This happened about five times on my shift, as I recall. Normally Terri's blood sugar levels were very stable due to the uniformity of her diet through tube feeding. It is medically possible that Michael injected Terri with Regular insulin, which is very fast acting, but I don't have any way of knowing for sure. 12. The longer I was employed at Palm Gardens the more concerned I became about patient care, both relating to Terri Schiavo, for the reasons I've said, and other patients, too. There was an LPN named Carolyn Adams, known as "Andy" Adams who was a particular concern. An unusual number of patients seemed to die on her shift, but she was completely unconcerned, making statements such as "They are old - let them die." I couldn't believe her attitude or the fact that it didn't seem to attract any attention. She made many comments about Terri being a waste of money, that she should die. She said it was costing Michael a lot of money to keep her alive, and that he complained about it constantly (I heard him complain about it all the time, too.) Both Michael and Adams said that she would be worth more to him if she were dead. I ultimately called the police relative to this situation, and was terminated the next day. Other reasons were cited, but I was convinced it was because of my "rocking the boat." 13. Ms. Adams was one of the people who did not seem to be intimidated by Michael. In fact, they seemed to be very close, and Adams would do whatever Michael told her. Michael sometimes called Adams at night and spoke at length. I was not able to hear the content of these phone calls, but I knew it was him talking to her because she would tell me afterward and relay orders from him. 14. I have contacted the Schindler family because I just couldn't stand by and let Terri die without the truth being known. FURTHER AFFIANT SAYETH NAUGHT. CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N. The foregoing instrument was acknowledged before me this 29 day of August, 2003, by CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N., who produced her Florida's driver's license as identification, and who did take an oath. Notary Public My commission expires ========================================= CAROLYN JOHNSON, CNA STATE OF FLORIDA COUNTY OF PINELLAS AFFIDAVIT _________ BEFORE ME the undersigned authority personally appeared CAROLYN JOHNSON who being first duly sworn deposes and says: 1. My name is Carolyn Johnson, I am over the age of 18 years and make this statement on personal information. 2. I used to work at Sabal Palms nursing home in Largo, for a period of about two years. I actually was employed by a nursing agency and was placed at Sabal Palms as a Certified Nursing Assistant (CNA). I believe the events related here occurred in about 1993. 3. During this assignment I took care of Terri Schiavo several times. The first time I saw her my duties were being explained to me by the nurse on duty. Terri Schiavo was lying in bed. Another patient, also a young woman about the same age and in the same condition, was sitting up in a chair, with a drink cup and straw in front of her. 4. I asked why Terri was not up in a chair, too. I learned, as part of my training, that there was a family dispute and that the husband, as guardian, wanted no rehabilitation for Terri. This surprised me, as I did not think a guardian could go against a doctor's orders like that, but I was assured that a guardian could and that this guardian had gone against Terri's doctor's orders. 5. No one was allowed to just go in and see Terri. Michael had a visitors list. We all knew that we would lose our jobs if we did not do exactly what Michael said to do. 6. I remember seeing Michael Schiavo only once the entire time I worked at Sabal Palms, but we were all aware that Terri was not to be given any kind of rehabilitative help, per his instructions. Once, I wanted to put a cloth in Terri's hand to keep her hand from closing in on itself, but I was not permitted to do this, as Michael Schiavo considered that to be a form of rehabilitation. 7. This entire experience made me look hard at nursing homes. After about two years, I quit this job, because I was so disillusioned with the way Terri was treated. Someone somewhere along the way should have reported this. FURTHER AFFIANT SAYETH NAUGHT. Carolyn Johnson, Affiant Sworn to and subscribed before me this 28 day of August, 2003, by Carolyn Johnson who produced a Florida drivers license as identification. Notary Public My commission expires =================================== HEIDI LAW, CNA AFFIDAVIT _________ STATE OF FLORIDA COUNTY OF PINELLAS BEFORE ME the undersigned authority personally appeared HEIDI LAW who being first duly sworn deposes and says: 1. My name is Heidi Law, I am over the age of 18 years, and make this statement on personal information. 2. I worked as a Certified Nursing Assistant at the Palm Gardens nursing home from March, 1997 to mid-summer of 1997. While I was employed at Palm Gardens, occasionally I took care of Theresa Schiavo. Generally, I worked the 3 p.m. to 11 p.m. shift, but occasionally also would work a double shift, until 7 a.m. the following morning. 3. At Palm Gardens, most of the patient care was provided by the CNAs, so I was in a good position to judge Terri's condition and observe her reactions. Terri was noticeable, because she was the youngest patient at Palm Gardens. 4. I know that Terri did not receive routine physical therapy or any other kind of therapy. I was personally aware of orders for rehabilitation that were not being carried out. Even though they were ordered, Michael would stop them. Michael ordered that Terri receive no rehabilitation or range of motion therapy. I and Olga would give Terri range of motion anyway, but we knew we were endangering our jobs by doing so. We usually did this behind closed doors, we were so fearful of being caught. Our hearts would race and we were always looking out for Michael, because we knew that, not only would Michael take his anger out on us, but he would take it out more on Terri. We spoke of this many times. 5. Terri had very definite likes and dislikes. Olga and I used to call Terri "Fancy Pants," because she was so particular about certain things. She just adored her baths, and was so happy afterward when she was all clean, smelling sweet from the lotion her mother provided, and wearing the soft nightgowns her mother laundered for her. Terri definitely did not like the taste of the teeth-cleaning swabs or the mouthwash we used. She liked to have her hair combed. She did not like being tucked in, and especially hated it if her legs were tightly tucked. You would always tell when Terri had a bowel movement, as she seem agitated and would sort of "scoot" to get away from it. 6. Every day, Terri was gotten up after lunch and sat in a chair all afternoon. When Terri was in bed, she very much preferred to lie on her right side and look out the window. We always said that she was watching for her mother. It was very obvious that her mother was her favorite person in the whole world. 7. I worked side-by-side with another CNA named Olga and could tell that she and Terri were especially close. Olga took a definite personal interest in Terri, and Terri responded to her. I could tell that Terri was very satisfied and happy with Olga's attentions to her. 8. When Olga was talking with Terri, Terri would follow Olga with her eyes. I have no doubt in my mind that Terri understood what Olga was saying to her. I could tell a definite difference between the way Terri responded to Olga and the way she reacted to me, until she got used to my taking care of her. Initially, she "clammed up" with me, the way she would with anyone she did not know or was not familiar or comfortable with. It took about the fourth or fifth time taking care of her alone, without Olga, that Terri became relaxed and cooperative and non-resistant with me. 9. Terri reacted very well to seeing a picture of her mother, which was in her room. Many times when I came on duty it would be lying face down where she could not see it. 10. At least three times during any shift where I took care of Terri, I made sure to give Terri a wet washcloth filled with ice chips, to keep her mouth moistened. I personally saw her swallow the ice water and never saw her gag. Olga and I frequently put orange juice or apple juice in her washcloth to give her something nice to taste, which made her happy. On three or four occasions I personally fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she was able to swallow and enjoyed immensely. I did not do it more often only because I was so afraid of being caught by Michael. 11. On one occasion Michael Schiavo arrived with his girlfriend, and they entered Terri's room together. I heard Michael tell his girlfriend that Terri was in a persistent vegetative state and was dying. After they left, Olga told me that Terri was extremely agitated and upset, and wouldn't react to anyone. When she was upset, which was usually the case after Michael was there, she would withdraw for hours. We were convinced that he was abusing her, and probably saying cruel, terrible things to her because she would be so upset when he left. 12. In the past, I have taken care of comatose patients, including those in a persistent vegetative state. While it is true that those patients will flinch or make sounds occasionally, they don't do it as a reaction to someone on a constant basis who is taking care of them, the way I saw Terri do. 13. I witnessed a priest visiting Terri a couple of times. Terri would become quiet when he prayed with her. She couldn't bow her head because of her stiff neck, but she would still try. During the prayer, she would keep her eyes closed, opening them afterward. She laughed at jokes he told her. I definitely know that Terri "is in there." 14. The Palm Gardens staff, myself included, were just amazed that a "Do Not Resuscitate" order had been put on Terri's chart, considering her age and her obvious cognitive awareness of her surroundings. 15. During the time I cared for Terri, she formed words. I have heard her say "mommy" from time to time, and "momma," and she also said "help me" a number of times. She would frequently make noises like she was trying to talk. Other staff members talked about her verbalizations. 16. Several times when Michael visited Terri during my shift, he went into her room alone and closed the door. This worried me because I didn't trust Michael. When he left, Terri was very agitated, was extremely tense with tightened fists and some times had a cold sweat. She was much less responsive than usual and would just stare out the window, her eyes kind of glassy. It would take much more time and effort than usual to work her hands open to clean her palms. 17. I was told by supervisory staff that Michael was Terri's legal guardian, and that it didn't matter what the parents or the doctors or nurses wanted, just do what Michael told you to do or you will lose your job. Michael would override the orders of the doctors and nurses to make sure Terri got no treatment. Among the things that Terri was deprived of by Michael's orders were any kind of testing, dental care or stimulation. I was ordered by my supervisors to limit my time with Terri. I recall telling my supervisor that Terri seemed abnormally warm to the touch. I was told to pull her covers down, rather than to take her temperature. As far as I know, Terri never left her room. The only stimulation she had was looking out the window and watching things, and the radio, which Michael insisted be left on one particular station. She had a television, and there was a sign below it saying not to change the channel. This was because of Michael's orders. 18. As a CNA, I wanted every piece of information I could get about my patients. I never had access to medical records as a CNA, but it was part of my job duties to write my observations down on sheets of paper, which I turned over to the nurse at the nurses station for inclusion in the patients charts. In the case of Terri Schiavo, I felt that my notes were thrown out without even being read. There were trash cans at the nurses stations that we were supposed to empty each shift, and I often saw the notes in them. I made extensive notes and listed all of Terri's behaviors, but there was never any apparent follow up consistent with her responsiveness. 19. I discussed this situation with other personnel at Palm Gardens, particularly with Olga, and another CNA, an older black man named Ewan Morris. We all discussed the fact that we could be fired for reporting that Terri was responsive, and especially for giving her treatment. The advice among the staff was "don't do nothin', don't see nothin' and don't say nothin'." It was particularly distressing that we always had to be afraid that if Michael got upset, he would take his anger out on Terri. 20. I recall an incident when Olga became very upset because Terri started to get a sore spot, because it might lead to a bedsore. Michael was told about it but didn't seem to care. he didn't complain about it at all, in fact, saying "she doesn't know the difference." When Terri would get a UTI or was sick, Michael's mood would improve. FURTHER AFFIANT SAYETH NAUGHT. Heidi Law, Affiant STATE OF FLORIDA COUNTY OF PINELLAS Sworn to and subscribed before me this 30th day of August, 2003, by HEIDI LAW, who produced a Florida Driver's License as identification. Notary Public My Commission expires:

66 this comment is for finally croaked and terri must die.. you two are in a class all of your own two mother fuckin' cockroaches taking up this blogs space.. i got an idea why don't you leeches just drop off the face of the earth already nobody would miss your worm infested corpses... the one that talks about flipping cheeseburgers ought to choke on one and when he clenches his throat then that retarded mother fucker will know how terri felt and i hope terri gets the priviledge of sending your ass to hell where satan will have a field day on your ass.. satans torture lasts an eternity not just 13 days.. god sees and hears all so the heartless pieces of dog shit i have seen on this blog will definatly NOT win a place in the house of the lord... i'd rather see Terri's face all over the news then to see you cock rocken son-of-a-bitches downing her for a cause that she had no control over... GROW THE FUCK UP i hope when you die Catherine and I get the priviledge of spitting, pissing and shitting on you're graves.. that would be funny so tell me how does it feel to be disrespected and lowered as a human being? you two need to move to the barnum and berry's circus you'd fit in just fine for the class clowns of the year award... i have never seen so much ignorance and lack of respect for a human being that was murdered as i did in this blog these three ass holes that put such fuckin nasty ignorant prototypes in these blogs should be banned for life.. i for one and catherine for two ban these heartless incapable bastards from all blogs concerning terri(the three of you are as follows, terri should die, terri must die today, and finally croaked) you three are such cowards you won't put your real names to the public eye because you know that this blog will open a can of woopass real quick... i pray to god that you motherfuckers one day get to be first in line in terris shoes and i hope that not one person misses you when you die after having every bone in your body broke, you go into a semi vegetable state and someone slowly tortures you guys then YOU DIE then when terri sees you in the gates of heaven she spits on you and pulls the lever for you to go deep down into the pits and tunnels of hell where you would get along just fine with the devil himself and the party of a lifetime would be us knowing your being tortured eternally for the assholes that you are ps. for all the ones that feel the same a i do in the terri schiavo case god bless and may god keep you safe in his arms

67 this comment is for finally croaked and terri must die.. you two are in a class all of your own two mother fuckin' cockroaches taking up this blogs space.. i got an idea why don't you leeches just drop off the face of the earth already nobody would miss your worm infested corpses... the one that talks about flipping cheeseburgers ought to choke on one and when he clenches his throat then that retarded mother fucker will know how terri felt and i hope terri gets the priviledge of sending your ass to hell where satan will have a field day on your ass.. satans torture lasts an eternity not just 13 days.. god sees and hears all so the heartless pieces of dog shit i have seen on this blog will definatly NOT win a place in the house of the lord... i'd rather see Terri's face all over the news then to see you cock rocken son-of-a-bitches downing her for a cause that she had no control over... GROW THE FUCK UP i hope when you die Catherine and I get the priviledge of spitting, pissing and shitting on you're graves.. that would be funny so tell me how does it feel to be disrespected and lowered as a human being? you two need to move to the barnum and berry's circus you'd fit in just fine for the class clowns of the year award... i have never seen so much ignorance and lack of respect for a human being that was murdered as i did in this blog these three ass holes that put such fuckin nasty ignorant prototypes in these blogs should be banned for life.. i for one and catherine for two ban these heartless incapable bastards from all blogs concerning terri(the three of you are as follows, terri should die, terri must die today, and finally croaked) you three are such cowards you won't put your real names to the public eye because you know that this blog will open a can of woopass real quick... i pray to god that you motherfuckers one day get to be first in line in terris shoes and i hope that not one person misses you when you die after having every bone in your body broke, you go into a semi vegetable state and someone slowly tortures you guys then YOU DIE then when terri sees you in the gates of heaven she spits on you and pulls the lever for you to go deep down into the pits and tunnels of hell where you would get along just fine with the devil himself and the party of a lifetime would be us knowing your being tortured eternally for the assholes that you are ps. for all the ones that feel the same a i do in the terri schiavo case god bless and may god keep you safe in his arms Posted by JENNIFER ROBERTS at July 3, 2005 01:

68 Hay, Finally Crocked, did you become a drooling idiot after MICHAEL FUCKED YOU IN YOUR ASS or did you have SHITSTAINS? Did you have your liquid sandwiches before you gave Michael Schiavo a BLOW JOB or after? OH, that explains why he's your IDOL. Terri was a BEAUTIFULL HUMAN BEING who made the mistake of marrying Michael Schiavo. PUNK, DON'T SAY ANOTHER FUCKEN THING ABOUT TERRI

69 Diane Meyer remembers when she was Terri Schindler, a chubby child with big brown eyes behind Coke-bottle glasses, a guest at Meyer’s 3rd-birthday party at the Philadelphia Zoo. As the birthday girl, Diane was given a key to storybooks posted around the zoo. Turn the key, and a recorded voice would talk about the animals. Other children at the party wanted a key, too, and were jealous. But not Terri. “She was just so excited,” so happy to be there, so thrilled to among the animals she loved more than anything in the world, Meyer said. This is the Terri she remembers — not the heartbreaking figure whose every facial tic was scrutinized for evidence of a conscious mind within. Not the central figure of a maelstrom, silent as multitudes debated her life and death. For those multitudes who never knew her, it was easy to forget that this was a real woman who led a real life. But for her friends and family, it was impossible to forget Meyer, for instance, remembers the time more than 20 years ago when an excited Terri called her at college. She had a date — the first date this once overweight girl had ever had. Please, Terri begged, you have to come home and help me get ready. Meyer couldn’t make it home in time, but she was there the next day, to rehash Terri’s spectacular night of romance. The boy was tall and handsome and he had kissed her. The boy was Michael Schiavo; she had met him at a sociology class at Bucks County Community College, and they married a little more than a year later. He would be her only lover. She did not go to her senior prom. She had had crushes, of course, unrequited — a boy named Vincent in seventh grade, for one. She adored Danielle Steel romances, pored over Tiger Beat magazine with her friends, debated who was cutest — Starsky or Hutch. She liked Starsky, and with her friend Sue Pickwell wrote scores of letters to Paul Michael Glaser, the actor. Once, she and Meyer went to see “An Officer and a Gentleman” four times in one day. She was a shy person. Her high school yearbook, from Archbishop Wood in suburban Philadelphia, lists only one activity — library aide. The Rev. Chris Walsh, the school minister, said while several teachers remain from those days, only one remembers Terri, and not much about her. Benjamin Shatz lived next to the Schindlers’ four-bedroom colonial on Red Wing Lane in the Albidale section of Huntingdon Valley. All he remembers is “a nice child, respectful, polite.” Her shyness may have had something to do with her weight. Just 5-foot-3, she weighed 200 pounds in high school. “She cried a lot when she went to get clothes,” said her mother, Mary. But Meyer remembers laughter, instead. “Among those who knew her, she was always vivacious. She had a laugh that made everyone laugh,” she said. She collected Precious Moments figurines, and stuffed animals — she had more than 100 of them, and spent hours in her purple-and-white bedroom arranging them. Real animals were her passion; she rode horses and wanted to be a veterinarian, but she was an unenthusiastic student and never graduated college. Once, she came home crying at night, sure that she had run over a rabbit or squirrel. Her family calmed her down and convinced her no animal had died, but then her brother Bobby retrieved the dead bunny and threw it in the bushes, so she’d never know. Another time, the family’s Labrador retriever Bucky collapsed, and Terri tried to give him mouth-to-muzzle resuscitation. He died as she held him. The Schindlers — Mary and Robert (owner of an industrial equipment company) and their children Theresa Marie, Bobby and Suzanne — were a tight-knit family. Terri joined her mother for Mass on Saturdays, and all would gather round the table for roast beef on Sunday. She was especially close to her mother. “When people say I was her best friend, I say no,” said Meyer. “I was her closest friend. Her mother was her best friend.” After she and Michael were married — on Nov. 10, 1984, at Our Lady of Good Counsel Church, she in Victorian white with a pink-and-white bouquet, he in a gray tuxedo — the couple lived in the Schindlers’ basement. In 1986, they moved into a condominium her parents owned in Florida, paying $400-a-month rent; the rest of the Schindlers also moved to the Sunshine State. By this time, the 200-pound Terri was no more. Dieting, she had lost more than 50 pounds by the time she started college. She dyed her hair blonde, wore a bikini, liked to tan and drive her Trans Am past construction sites. “Terri has always been beautiful from the inside out,” Meyer said. “And then when she lost all the weight, she really became quite beautiful on the outside as well. What was inside she allowed to shine out at that point.” In Florida, Michael was hired as a restaurant manager, and Terri was an office worker for Prudential insurance. “Everybody liked her. She was hardworking,” said Jackie Rhodes, a co-worker and pal. (search) They would shop for clothes and eat at Bennigan’s. When a colleague ran a golf benefit for Angelus House, a home for the handicapped, Terri and Jackie volunteered. Rhodes joined Terri in her frequent visits to see her grandmother at a nursing home 30 miles away. Was she happy? Rhodes said she wanted to have children and had stopped using birth control, but had not become pregnant. She had seen a doctor about it. Her friends and family say she was unhappy with Michael. He was controlling, they say, and tried to keep her away from them; he was abusive, they say, and told her that if she ever got fat again, he would leave her. By this time, she weighed less than 120 pounds, and her ribs were visible. “I eat, Mom. I eat,” she told her concerned mother. Her family doubts that she had a real eating disorder; her doctors are not sure whether anorexia or something like it was the root of the potassium imbalance they say probably caused her heart to stop on Feb. 25, 1990, when she collapsed in the hallway outside of her bedroom. She was 26 years old, an ordinary woman about to be thrust — unwillingly, unknowingly, unconsciously — into an extraordinary adventure. She died 15 years later, a symbol to millions around the world, a person to those who knew and mourned her. PS: What I really want people to see; is that TERRI SCHIAVO was a real person who had a life until MICHAEL SCHIAVO started his mental and phyical abuse. Sadly, Michael was successful in his ability to do the unthinkable with the help of Judge Greer. Which was to TORTURE AND STARVE TERRI SCHIAVE TO DEATH. To sign the petition to impeach Judge Greer; type in the words (PETITION TO IMPEACH JUDGE GREER)

1 there have to be legal consequences for this. inciting a riot is a crime, so inciting other crimes must be criminal.

2 True, but how do you track down these people?

3 Thanks Rusty, you just gave me an idea. I'm getting ready to apply for my gun license here in the people's commonwealth of Massachusetts. The local police chief can deny it or downgrade more or less arbitrarily. The local offshoot of the NRA suggests describing why you may be in danger, and need a class A permit. In leafy suburban Mass? In short, I feared he would downgrade my license. But as a political blogger...the class A permit should be as good as mine. Now I just hope I don't need it.

4 Time to start marking muslim filth for death. 72 Virgins for all of them!

5 ASB, kill the ideas, not the people.

6 Dittos dishman. Come on Allah, stick with the satire.

7 To kill the ideas in the heads of savages who believe in a reward of 72 virgins for murder is an impossible task. They must be killed not only for defense from them but also so they can not spawn.

8 i have to agree with allah sucks balls to some degree. we are at war, and the opponent must be fought. when the war is over we can discuss it civil-ly. i'd be perfectly happy to have a rational debate with muslims, but when they start targeting me for murder as a result.... i have no problems with killing them.

9 They have that all wrong, the 72 virgins are not in heaven, they are in hell. We all know that spirits or souls do not do it. So when these myrters go to hell and see the vigins, and that they, the myrters, do not have penises, that's the hell of it.

10 They have that all wrong, the 72 virgins are not in heaven, they are in hell. We all know that spirits or souls do not do it. So when these myrters go to hell and see the virgins, and that they, the myrters, do not have penises, that's the hell of it.

11 You are right. Kill the ideas. not the people. So, how do we go about killing their ideas? Move to prove that Allah is a false God and that the "profit" Mohammad was nothing more than a pimp in fancy duds. Bulldoze Mecca for one yes?

12 I like the bulldozing Mecca idea,or at least it's peaks my interest. I think it's about time to bring out my "Nuking Mecca" essay again.

13 Islam doesn't need annihilation, it needs reform or at least its laws do. Instead of praying every night that it goes away (which it won't), try writing to your local mosque and discuss ways to advocate reform. You might actually learn something. Rusty you say you want to kill ideas but not people...nuking mecca would kill hundreds of thousands.

14 How about, we offer all muslims a free ham to convert to the way of Jebus. If they don't take the ham and join us in the way of love and peace, then they get put down like that Shiavo chick in Florida.

15 Islam is incapable of reformation, which would be defined as exposing the original "goodness" in the scriptures and adhering to the edicts. There is no original goodness or morality in the scriptures. Read it online at www.prophetofdoom.net. It presents the oldest known authentic record of Muhammad's life along with the history of Islam by Tabari and reorders the Qur'an in chronological sequence to correspond with the history. Without this material, Islam doesn't exist. The resultant picture is damning. Islam self-destructs. The Sunnah and Qur'an taken as a whole is no different from Mein Kampf. Islam must be eradicated. Close the Mosques and schools as seditious (?) and illegal, cut off the funding. The latter implies taking the oil fields by force. Failing that, forbid Western assistance in running the oil fields. Sure it's expensive, but the world's safety is in the balance. And for gosh sakes, quit sending $3 billion a year to Egypt. It's coming back to the free world as arms and ammunition.

16 I agree with Loren. For one, if you've ever read the Qu'ran, then you know that it is not friendly to Christians and Jews first and foremost. You would also know that the Qu'ran teaches that Arabs come from the line of Ishmael. Ishmael was the son of Abraham who was conceived by the Egyptian slave, Hagar. Sarah told Abraham to "go in unto her" because she was barren at the time. Later on, Isaac was born of Abraham and Sarah. Isaac was born to two free people. Ishmael to a free man and a slave woman. However, both sons received blessings. But the Qu'ran seems to be spiteful about these things. It reminds the reader that Ishmael was also born to Abraham. As if we should not forget that for some reason. Well, both sons received a blessing. The Torah (first five books of Bible) contains the book of Genesis. In this book it states that God established the everlasting covenant through Isaac. This may be why the Arab community is a bit peeved - maybe they feel robbed? The Qu'ran makes a point to tell the reader that God established the Kaba (Temple Mecca) with Abraham and Ishmael. I really doubt that one. It's like there was animosity toward the Jews existing in the Arab community so they decided to out-trump them somehow if they could. For two, a lot of the Muslims in Egypt follow a stricter form of Islam. They may even follow the Wahabbi interpretation. Debates on PalTalk with them are proving to them how "blasphemous" U.S. citizens (whether truly christian or simply upset at muslims) are because of how free we speak due to our freedom of speech. Some of the things they've witnessed in debates has caused them to hate Christians more because the Christians "say it like it is". Pull no punches. And why should Christians show regard for a teaching that Jesus has already exposed as false? The Qu'ran would like to inform its readers that believing that Jesus is the Son of God is not only false, but is an excuse to kill a person who believes that. In the New Testament, 1 John explains that those who do not believe that Jesus Christ came in the flesh do not believe in God and are basically antichrists. So...here's the conflict. It's mostly spiritual. But...as with Elijah and the Prophets of Baal ..the Elijahs always win. Writing to a mosque is probably not a good idea. If you read this Report: Saudis spread hate through U.S. mosques: Propaganda against Jews, Christians 'mainstreamed within our borders' then you'll understand why.

17 Loren, your arguements cannot be taken seriously if you refer to translations of the Quran from a site called "Prophet of Doom". Try reading a more unbiased translation or learn how to read Arabic yourself. Besides, modern day religion is based on INTERPRETATION. If you take the writings from thousands of years ago literally then a number of major religions are flawed. That is why when I say "reform", I mean a more humane interpretation of the religion. I am not calling out for Islam to change the Quran. Just change their intrepretation of it. Specially in the human rights department. All it takes is prominent religious leaders (and the government) to take a stand in SOMETHING. Next time a women is stoned because she was raped, they should denounce the act and prosecute the guilty party. Thats all it would take. The more time you waste on paranoid thoughts and cry out for the extermination of the most wide spread religion in the world, the less things get done.

18 Instead of critising Islam, Muslims, or Allah perhaps we should work harder at building up Jesus and loving each other so that Christianity is irresistable. I agree we are at war, but not with flesh and we cannot fight this war with conventional weapons or thoughts. Above all else we must believe in the All powerful All Knowing God that Christians believe in.

19 Damn RUSTY: Don't you realize that if you kill the muslims you have killed the idea.

20 A scripturalist (a person who believes that his godhead authored books) will never interpret hateful passages of his "holy books" in a way so as to contradict what is clearly written there. Therefore I cannot agree that interpretation will solve the problem of rising hatred based on religion. Yours sincerely, Dr. Herbert Cohn, Israel

1 You're right, the left-wing bias of the press has had a serious impact upon society and people don't even realize it. Our current welfare nanny entitlement state is probably the result of decades of biased news reporting.

2 Before Rathergate some people knew the MSM was bigoted. After Rathergate most people know this. The power of the MSM has been reduced 26 years ago by Talk Radio and more last year with Rathergate. A good example of this is the UAS Today poll that showde sunday night 55% of Americans feel the War on Terror is a good investment and going well. The Same # as the earlier Mon after the elections and before 5 days of the MSM denigrating the war on Terror in general and Iraq in particular. The 55% # is a one year high. So the propaganda put out by the MSM/DNC prior to Rathergate did have some effect. Only 47% approved of the War on Terror at the start of 05.

3 Nobel Peace Award 2005: President George W. Bush; Prime Minister Ariel Sharon & President Abu Mazen by Dr. Jack Shepard I, Dr. Jack Shepard SAYS: Nobel Peace Award 2005: President George W. Bush; Prime Minister Ariel Sharon & President Abu Mazen I pray that God Blesses the Middle East with Peace AND Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 2005 and makes it to Heaven or the Whole World will go to Hell! I love Israel; now we will see if Prime Minister Ariel Sharon really wishes Peace, he controls his military 100%, while as everyone in the world knows that President Abu Mazen can not. (Give President Abu Mazen and the world a chance for Peace) With President George W.Bush and Secretary of State Rice on aboard, you will see Prime Minister Ariel Sharon will have too be an Real Peace Partner. As General Sharon; he only knows war; I pray that he remembers that he will be judged by God on his Judgment Day. I know and hope that God will forgive him; but if I was God this would be his last chance. If he does not work as a Real Partner to President George W.Bush, and President Abu Mazen toward peace; he will dwell in the fires of Hell Forever, if he acts and does what pleases God, and spends more time praying for peace then killing for peace; God will STILL forgive him. At his age; his actions should be like all of us, we all have to try to please God. Hell and Heaven await all of us forever, this life time is only a short test. The hate Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has in him was an act of the dEVIL, in the past were part of God's plan, I pray for him to learn to love, and he has it in him to do what pleases God. ( A change of Heart is all that God asks from all of us) I pray for Prime Minister Ariel Sharon because if he can not lead Israel to share God's world with the weak and hungry, he will dwell in Hell forever; if he does not stop playing games; for him because God is all seeing and all knowing. Like I said above, it is not for me to judge; even though I have access to facts that very few people at the highest levels do, which obviously few do. So when I say something it is the truth. I only want people to remember they can play games with everyone but they can not play games with God. If I was Prime Minister Ariel Sharon as of yesterday I would fear God, if he is a real believer. I pray he reads this and leads Israel and Palestine toward two states living side by side in Peace as President George W. Bush asks. I hope SOMEONE WILL forwards this to him, I as a friend and Warner CAN ONLY SAY PRIME MINISTER ARIEL SHARON -LAST CHANCE FOR HEAVEN>PLEASE FOR YOU AND THE STATE OF ISRAEL DO NOT FORGET ABOUT GOD. With a change of heart; God is the most forgiving. General Sharon knows his record like I do. I pray for him to change his ways; with the whole world watching if he REMEMBERS THAT HE really will have to please God to save Israel. He has much to ask forgiveness from God For. HE KNOWS! That is between him and God. You and I will see be his actions. I thank God that President George W. Bush was reelected and that he choose Secretary of State Rice and that they are moving so fast TO MAKE PEACE BETWEEN THE ISRAELI'S AND PALESTINIANS. I have been praying for President George W.Bush, to become the Abe Lincoln of modern times for 4 years now. I hero of history who stopped a WORLD CIVIL WAR! Watch my words come true, as President George W. Bush also is awarded the 2005 Nobel Peace Prize along with Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and President Abu Mazen. I predict President George W. Bush, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, President Abu Mazen and will all be awarded the 2005 Nobel Peace Award. All destine by God to make it to Heaven by doing things that please God. I pray that God Blesses the Middle East with Peace AND Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 2005 and makes it to Heaven or the Whole World will go to Hell! May God Bless the Middle East with Peace Dr. Jack Shepard: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr_jack_shepard/4523380/

1 So I must know: what is your editorial policy, and how do you not count as one person? Is MPD (multiple-personality disorder) enough?

2 I object to your statement, and so do I!! We are legion. Seriously, I dunno. However, there are four of us that post at this site (BRD, Demosophist, Interested Particpant) from time to time. I just post a lot more than any one else.

3 wow. how do I duplicate this with my own blog? more hot lesbian star wars chick references?

4 No, more host lesbian star wars chick PHOTOS!

5 Mind you, somehow (I'm guessing due to the mu.nu domanin) I got pegged by Google News as being part of The Jawa Report as well. (not that I'm complaining at all...)

6 Ah, the end of civilization as we know it... and it's about damn time.

7 Wow, Google confirmation of why I come to the Jawa Report for news and information... Way to go Rusty.

8 So, if I called it "the basil world report" I could sneak in under the radar? Pay Network Solutions for another domain name that points to the blog, or a secondary blog, and I'm all set? I got all kind of names and e-mail addresses I could use. Hot damn! I'm gonna get Googled!

9 Here's the little secret, though. I once (ONCE) got to their top page, you know news.google.com--it gave me like 10k hits in 10 minutes before I was taken off the top page. Since then, almost no hits. None.

10 It's all about the hits, isn't it?

11 Dr. JACK SHEPARD AS A BORN AGAIN REPUBLICAN I, Dr. Jack Shepard am not pleased and I do not approve of the Democratic National Committee's position to continue to criticize George W. Bush's election as the 43rd President of the United States as illegitimate. Mr. McAuliffe was elected as Chairman of the Democratic National committee only because he is a close friend of Ex-President Clinton and the most prolific fundraiser in Democratic history. This sends all the wrong signals to my fellow Americans. During the Presidential Election all I heard from the Democratic National Committee was: "THE URGENT NECESSITY OF CAMPAIGN FINACING LEGISLATION REFORM" and now the Democratic Party chooses as its new chairman the very symbol of soft money campaign fund raisers in Mr. Terence McAuliffe. The members of the Democratic Committee literally forced former Mayor Maynard Jackson of Atlanta who also wished to be Democratic National Chairman to throw his support to Mr. Terence McAuliffe by blocking his election. Mr. Terence McAuliffe was chosen Chairman of the Democratic Committee only because he knows where and how to get money instead of former Mayor Maynard Jackson a much more qualified and experienced politician but BLACK candidate without these big money connections. I, Jack Shepard was an elected delegate from "Democrats aboard of Italy to the Democrats Aboard Regional Caucuses and Global Convention in Paris on April 2, 2000. UNDER STATEMENTS AND SPEECHES I can be quoted as saying, "I and the Democratic Party should not take the BLACK vote for grant it. I was very disappointed that not one of the Black Delegates at the Democratic Aboard Regional Caucuses and Global Convention in Paris got chosen to be a Delegate to the Democratic National Convention in Los Angeles in August. If I had a greater say in the running of the Democratic Party this would never happen on my watch." Now that the election in over I fell much freer to discussion what happened to another delegate and myself from Democrats Aboard of Italy. We both wished to vote for Mrs. Ricki Stevenson, a Black Democrat Aboard delegate from France; to be a Delegate to the Democratic National Convention in Los Angeles in August. We were told the deal was already made. The delegates to the Democratic National Convention were already decided for us (before the vote) and if we did not vote for the list of candidate handed us we would never be chosen again to represent "Democrats Aboard of Italy" to any future Democrats Aboard Regional Caucuses and Global Convention. I apologized to Mrs. Stevenson after the vote when she was not chosen. That I and another delegate from "Democrats Aboard of Italy" were forced by the Democratic Leaders of the Global Convention and Regional Caucus to vote their candidates really started me think what has the Democratic Party really become. After my personal experiences with the selection process now used in the Democratic Party I find it no surprise that former Mayor Maynard Jackson a BLACK candidate for Chairman of the Democratic National Committee was forced to threw his support to Mr. Terence McAuliffe. I consider Mr. Terence McAuliffe a hypocrite when he, Mr. Terence McAuliffe, "bluntly challenged the legitimacy of President George W. Bush's election and pledged to turn Democratic grievance over the results into a mobilizing force to win Congress next year and the White House in 2004." I, Jack Shepard ask Mr. Terence McAuliffe when he says, "We will prove there is victory after denial" how do Mrs. Ricki Stevenson and former Mayor Maynard Jackson of Atlanta feel when they and many other BLACKS are know being denied and passed by for important position the Democratic Party. Why does not Mr. Terence McAuliffe understand and conclude that the public wants to move past the ill will over the post-election maneuvering that settled the election. He and the Democratic Party must start to work with President Bush to unite our country and enable President Bush to be an effective leader especially with the very confusing and dangerous situation in the Middle East that President Clinton left for President Bush. Now is the time to work together and pool all our energies and resources to work for world peace. I know that President Bush would never have bombed Baghdad on Friday, February 16, 2001 if he had more up to date and current intelligence data from overseas. In the next days I am leaving for another mission to the MIddle East, and for the first time including a visit to Iraq for a series of High Level Ministerial talks with the Iraqi Government. I have been working and praying for peace in the Middle East and Europe for over 30 years. www.shepardusgov.com will be updated with proper intelligence data on the rapidly changing Middle East situation and especially the rapidly deteriorating situation in Iraq before and after my upcoming mission. God bless you, Dr. Jack Shepard - March 13, 2001

12 I don't use google but another and you came up third. And there was no one above you. I thought that was cool. Cindy

13 Dr. Shephard, Comments are for, you know, 'comments'.

14 Nah, I'll pass. I've seen pics of Mapes. All my 'employees' must first go through a rigorous 'interview' on this couch of mine....

15 I have never once considered my site a "news" source. I just thought it funny that Malkin and Johnson were complaining about NOT being one. Now that my "staff" know my dirty little secret, I am going to have to watch my back...

16 I have a question someone please help me. How do I help someone with multiple personalities so that I can help them get rid of them for good? Please any suggestions will help.

1 I can hear it now, the human rights people getting all weepy over these HEAD CHOPPERS being made uncomfortable....that their "confessions" were made under "duress", blah blah blah!! I say to the poor people of Iraq, GO GET YOU SOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Way to go!!!!!!!

1 I wonder if he said the same thing about our president when he defected? He made his bed. Let him lie in it.

2 Of course Kim Jong Il is evil... he killed Hans Blix, for the love of all that is Holy! He must be held accountable!

3 You have to pronounced it "Hans Brix."

4 Wait, didn't Gary kill the dude during that F.A.G. speech?

5 "Evil" has soooo many negative connotations. Perhaps "scumbag" will suffice?

6 Excellent, that was really well explained and helpful

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7 How can you trust that he is evil indeed ? unless you meet the Jenkins and talk with him and still you 'll have to trust him to be 'sure' that he is saying the truth ...

8 How can you trust what is said by anyone ? unless you meet the principal actor if any story (here Jenkins) and talk with him you can not really know what has been done.. and still if you EVER MEET that person you 'll have to trust him/her to be 'sure' that what is told is truth and not exagaration or lies...

1 That picture is certainly worth its thousand words.

2 Funny you should mention worth 1000 words. I'm sitting at a laptop that has a photoshopped image of this same scene in front of a bombed out Iraqi picture. It came from www.worth1000.com. I'll go see if I can dig it up.

3 Having a hard time finding it, but here's another good one: http://www.worth1000.com/emailthis.asp?entry=24431

4 HA! FOUND IT!! http://www.worth1000.com/emailthis.asp?entry=164939

5 Been there, done that. It was good! quite a different picture than Ted Turner's CNN gives!

6 *lol* this is really old school propaganda! The Air Force and the Army kills the Kiddies! this is the reality open your eyes!

1 Nerf torture? A stomped finger? Ohhhhhhhhh that sounds horrible!! I wonder why my senior frat mates did not get prison for making me run up a flight of stairs during pledge week with a Carrot suck up my ass! I would have loved to have been hit with a nerf ball. HAving water poured on me would have been a blessing. Finger stomp? Unpleasant but, I would have rather had that done than the carrot up the butt. I did manage to get in the frat by the way.

2 You know--What would be considered the extreme OPPOSITE of torturing? What about tickling? And yet, something tells me that had soldiers actually just TICKLED prisoners, the same "T" word (torture) would STILL be utilized by the powers that be covering this.

3 Pacification of cry babies in the states. Read back some of the posts by contributors. They talked about how wrong our soldiers were. Reactions like those destroyed the careers of brave soldiers. As I asked before. Have our generals turned to nothing more than lackies for the liberals? More concerned about their careers than those of our soldiers. Political correctness before loyalty to those doing the fighting. I haven't heard of one high ranking officer coming to the aid the soldiers.

4 Right on, Rooster! Since when is it a crime? Aren't we SUPPOSED to make life difficult for the enemy prisoners? Who says we have to treat them like guests at the Holiday Inn? And if they weren't captured but killed in the first place, why aren't the soldiers up for MURDER????? I DON'T GET ANY OF THIS AND NEVER WILL.

5 The boys' locker room in high school was much worse than this. Don't know what went on in the girls locker room.....

6 Nor do I, sadly.

7 Crazy shit happened everywhere, in schools, offices, whatever. Abu Ghraib is nothing but silly, sophomoric pranks, similiar to college hazing, but not even as bad as THOSE, and still our soldiers have a trial! I still say we were pressured into this for fear of retaliation by the insurgents, not that they need any reason for beheading innocent people.

8 A Poem from one of my favorite movies: In prison cell I sadly sit, A d_d crest-fallen chappie! And own to you I feel a bit- A little bit - unhappy! It really ain't the place nor time To reel off rhyming diction - But yet we'll write a final rhyme Whilst waiting cru-ci-fixion! No matter what "end" they decide - Quick-lime or "b'iling ile," sir? We'll do our best when crucified To finish off in style, sir! But we bequeath a parting tip For sound advice of such men, Who come across in transport ship To polish off the Dutchmen! If you encounter any Boers You really must not loot 'em! And if you wish to leave these shores, For pity's sake, DON"T SHOOT 'EM!! And if you'd earn a D.S.O. Why every British sinner Should know the prpoer way to go Is:"ASK THE BOER TO DINNER!" Let's toss a bumper down our throat, - Before we pass to Heaven, And toast: "The trim-set petticoat We leave behind in Devon." Harry "Breaker" Morant To all our people dropped in some shit hole to cover our ass, I appoligize for the 50% of the people and 90% of the media who would sell you all out for a kind word from the French. God bless you and fuck Europe and the UN!!!!

9 Thank you, Dan . . Eloquent, my friend, very eloquent . . . I couldn't have said it better!

10 My sisters and I did way worse things to each other. As for the girls' locker room - we all ran around in our panties tickling each other.

11 I once took a shower with my best girlfriend...does that count?

12 Please! My imagination is running wild!

13 Close your eyes and imagine yourself at the mercy of others, locked up, can't cry for mommy and your government has sold out your human rights re the Geneva Convention.So they can squeeze some info out of you, but you have nothing to offer, you are innocent. People who have no risk, like the people making these post's are going to feel very betrayed should they find themselves treated the way these other very human beings are. War is not some game, when you wage it, you own it. STOP THE TORTURE, STOP THE KILLING!

14 Most people seem to have forgotten that the "abuse" at Abu Ghraib ranged from humiliation to rape, beatings and even murder. Here is an excerpt from an article on msnbc.com a while back: "It gets worse. Before the Senate Armed Services Committee last Friday, a chastened Rumsfeld warned that more photos and even videos will surface. (This time the Pentagon itself will release the video to Congress, rather than wait for the inevitable leak.) According to knowledgeable sources, the images include an American soldier having sex with a female Iraqi detainee and American soldiers watching Iraqis have sex with juveniles. Another photo shows a female prison guard gloating over the body of a dead Iraqi." Aren't you glad those pictures (and videos) never made it out? Did this happen at your high school as well? Are these locker room antics? Do you people reminisce about those "silly" rapings in college? What about the murders? Did you even go to college? I think not. Of course someone will most likely respond with "Hey, at least we did not cut the prisoners' heads off." First of all, the American people don't know the extent of abuse at Abu Ghraib. We certainly don't know what happens at Guantanamo Bay. Before you blindly support what these sick assholes at these prisons have done, take into consideration that their actionc go beyond simple pranks. Now, about those beheaders...can someone tell me what iraqi prison they are stationed in? Could you identify the rank of the "abuser" cutting off that head? Perhaps you could call the ground commander responsbile for the officers' actions and ask for a statement. Wait a second, YOU CAN'T. Those monsters beheading hostages are not members of an organized military like the US ARMY. They do not operate under any military laws or codes. Their actions do not represent their countires like the guards at Abu Ghraib. They are murderers. They kill in order to spread fear and its as simple as that. STOP COMPARIING THE TERRORISTS AND THE GUARDS!!! Instead, realize that what the guards did is an inhuman act and they must face the consequences for their actions. Worse, their actions reflect badly on this country and they should be ashamed as citizens AND as human beings. My only regret is that many of the guards were most likely FORCED to do those crimes by their superiors. Either way, it was their DUTY as human beings to protest. Thus, I have no remorse for any sentences that they recieve. I am glad their careers are over and hopefully, their superior's careers will end as well. They should be ashamed. I don't know how they can even look at their family's and friend's faces again if they committed those crimes against humanity without a guilty conscience. However, if they were simply following orders and feel remorse for their actions, then I hope they can lead a good life and become good examples for others. Karl's post said it well: STOP THE TORTURE, STOP THE KILLING! Jim

15 Isn't it nice that soldiers over there are protecting us, giving us the freedom to moralize like this?

16 Jim, Karl. What a bunch of BS. You guys need reality check.

17 I applaud the "abuse" at Abu Grabber. Take the filthy animals, stack em, shock em, poke em, rape em, kill em. This filth that the left call "victims" are terrorists. They do not get Geneva Convention. They get Beat Ass Convention. That is what they deserve.

18 So my Muslim brother cut a few throats and killed many of your soldiers, does that warrant being hit with a nerf ball? Shame on you Infidels for treating true believers in such fashion. So we tortured, burned and mutilated some Infidels. You horrid american scum made us form a pyramid on a cold floor. You Beasts!!!!

19 STOP THE TORTURE. STOP THE KILLING. WE WILL WHEN THEY DO! What you sow you reap. Don't you liberal believe in equality.

20 You americans stop killing us and we will continue to cut the throat of the infidel since, that is what we do. By all means, pay attention to the degenerate left wing in your filthy country and stop killing muslims. We however, will continue ridding the earth of the foulness that is the infidel.

21 We really came down hard on them, considering that whenever one of their camel humpers in the middle east capture a civilian contractor they generally lop off the head of that person. Ooooo yeah, we're showing the world we are tough on our own. Ooooo boy, they really deserve to get the book thrown at them for what amounts to a juvinile act. While the world turns a blind eye to people being beheaded in the middle east who are not even combatants.

22 Dear Filthy Infidel: You must stop killing muslims so that there are more of us to cut your unworthy throats. You are fouler that a motherless goat with chapped nipples.

23 I believe the majority of the prisoners in Abu Ghraib (at least the ones being abused) were Iraqi soldiers. The terrorists and insurgents started rising up after the initial invasion. They started beheading hostages after reports of abuse started to spread. Again, the majority of the prisoners in Abu Ghraib were iraqi soldiers who surrendered and probably were happy to stop fighting for an evil regime and wanted to join their families. Terrorists usually don't end up in prison. They either kill themselves or are killed in attempts to kill others by killing themselves. Oh and someone acknowledge filthy before he starts to cry from lack of attention.

24 Uhhhhhh... the dirty muslims have been slitting throats longs before Abbu Grab. Ass.

25 Filthy tells it like it is. The disgusting muslim will cut your throat no matter your political leanings, race, pant size. As long as you are an infidel, the dirty muslim will be happy to relieve you of your blood. Lib turds like to think that the Prisioner stacking at Abu Grab caused the muslims to go nutso and start slitting throats. What the degenerate liberal forgets is, the nasty muslim has a long history of killing infidels. Liberal bedwetters are the domestic enemy-

26 Preach on Brother Filthy

27 I'm just stating the facts. The berg video came out after abu ghraib. So you can go on about how they started this and that all you want. In either case...you can't compare their actions to ours. Its like you are all in preschool and are crying about how johnny "threw spit wads while you only thew crumpled up paper" after you were caught. Stop making excuses. Acknowledge the guards actions for what they are: a crime. If the guards want to do whatever they want without facing consequences then they should become terrorists. Terrorists have no morals and don't abide by rules. They do whatever they want. They cannot be compared to US soldiers. Get that through your fucking skulls. Believe in equality? NO. Our troops and terrorists ARE NOT EQUAL. Terrorists are the absolute scum of the earth. The guards that did this stooped to their level when they committed those crimes. I am curious though...wut if WE start beheading prisoners? What would that solve? What if we don't prosecute the guilty guards? Will that make you feel better? Would it stop terrorists from doing what they do? No it wouldn't. They don't care about abu ghraib. They probably celebrated after hearing about it because it gave them the 'excuse' they needed to fire up there camcorders. Open your fucking eyes.

28 Watch the potty mouth hippy

29 JIM & KARL: More pure bullshit. Nothing more. When are you two going to give it up. Stop your whinning and taking the side of the terrorists. Kerry the traitor lost the election. Kennedy the woman killer is lost in his own dribble. Dean the madman is still acting nuts. Clinton the liar is working for Kofi the clown. You lost. Admit it. Bush is great. Blair is great. American soldiers are great. The people of Iraq just had a free and honest election. Sadam is in jail. He will be executed. Bin Laden (if alive) is hiding in a cave somewhere. Zawqawi and his henchmen are losing. We won. A few more months will tell. When we take care of Iran are you going to continue to exaggerate and cry. Good analogy Karl. Try this one. You are a truck driver working to support your family. You are captured, bound, beaten, starved, tortured, blindfolded and held chained in a dark room for weeks. Your crime. You were delivering food to the hungry. You are made through torture to confess to this terrible crime. All the while you know you are going to be slaughtered by having your head slowly cut off. The worst part is that you know your children, wife, parents are going to see you die on Al Jazeera news at 5:pm. THIS IS A TRUE STORY NOT THE FICTIOUS BULLSHIT CONTAINED IN YOUR STORY. REMEMBER MARGARET? GUESS SHE DESERVED WHAT SHE GOT. Jim: your knowledgeable resources are pure baloney. There wasn't any rapes or murders. Name one. What's their names. Are you trying to tell me our military doesn't try soldiers for rape? Hey guy. They try soldiers for throwing nerf balls. This incorrect info was put out because some people are gullible and will believe anything. Particarly if they want to. Pure bullshit brought to you by the liberal media looking for a story. Just unsubstanciated rumors. It was a pleasure to see Dan Rather apologize on tv. He apologized for trying to influence the outcome of an election by submitting and reporting fictitious material. A liberal thing. Anything to justify the end. Not fair to compare the deeds of US soldiers to those of the terrorists/insurgents? Not military unit? Bull. They are the army of Islam. They don't wear uniforms because they are cowards who hide among the innocents. By all rules and laws of war they should be shot on site. The claimed videos showing a soldier having seex (mispelling on purpose) with an Iraqi woman was a hoax as were all the other lies. Just more pre-election BS from liberal demos grasping at a last attempt to steal an election. None of it true, none of it proven. No charges made. A canard, a prevarication, a lie, an untruth, a fabrication, a distortion, a deception, a misrepresentation. IT NEVER HAPPENED! A female soldier gloating over the body of a dead terrorist. What is the crime? Even if true. Myself, I would piss on their bodies every time a bomb went off and killed innocent civilians. What's a matter with you guys. You've obviously got brains. Are you so locked up in liberal academia (yea, it shows) that common sense doesn't apply anymore? Bush is great, Are soldiers are great. Don't let the obvious pass you by. America is the best Big Dog in the history of the world. America doesn't conquer nations. America saves nations. GET OUT AND SMELL THE COFFEE. The Iraqi election was the best thing that ever happened in the middle east. It happened because of our brave president, our brave military and our brave people that voted to keep a man with guts in office. Join in. Or go to Iraq. Tell the terrorists/insurgents that you are there to help them because American troops are mistreating them. I'm sure they will welcome you with open knives.

30 INHUMAN ACT: Can anyone define that for me? Then show me where it applies to anything that happened at Abu Garib prison. Actual cases. Not unstantiated rumors. I am referring to after Sadam not before. We all know inhuman acts happened before. We know it because we have witnesses, victims showing the wounds and misfigurements.

31 Please, we would like liberals to come to Iraq so that we may cut their throats. Saves us from having to come to the States.

32 Rooster: I stated my source...I can give a link to the article as well. Where is your source saying that it was "just rumors." We all know soldiers lose their way in war. That is the nature of war. It makes everyone involved turn into animals. You are that naive that you think there were no rapes or murders in that prison? You were supposedly a marine right? You know there is some ugly things that happen on both sides and don't sit there and pretend it doesn't. Knowing the kind of person you are, you probably were involved in those ugly things. Once again: you cant compare terrorists to guards. Why don't you get that?

33 Jim if our soldiers raped and murdered, wouldn't they be on trial for THAT instead of humiliation and wearing Victoria's Secrets over their heads? I'm confused here, aren't the Iraqi soldiers, the people, on OUR side??? I thought the Iraqi's were cooperating with us in protecting the voters from insurgent attacks?!

34 A link to articles doesn't mean the articles are true. You're are obviously a shut in. 99.99% of soldiers do not turn into animals. I do not believe there were rapes and murders in that prison while the US military was running it. Pure Bullshit. Killing the enemy, or killing someone trying to kill you is not ugly. Perhaps to you. You haven't been there. All soldiers lose their way? What? How do you know? From experience? My battalion of 26th Marines had no ugly incidences. We did kill lots and lots of the enemy. Read your history. That is our job. That's what we were trained for. No shame here. Battle can also bring out good qualities of men. Like devotion, courage, bravery, ability, comradship and mercy. When I served in Viet Nam I wasn't pissed at the Vietnamese regulars. They were fighting a war just like us. We did not kill wounded or prisoners. We extended our hands to help innocent civilians. Furthermore, we were instructed that once resistance ended we had better not continue to fire. You fantasize too much. Wasn't like that at all. Too many war movies? Hollywood seldom if ever gets it right. We didn't machine gun women in rice patties. Mistakes were made. Of course. But not on purpose. Send a 19 year old draftee into battle with bullets, mortars and such aimed at him and one never knows what will happen. I've seen them firing in the wrong direction without even looking. Mistakes were not done on purpose. Furthermore, if the enemy would fight with honor according to the rules of war, far less errors would occur. Other units stationed in cities and such may have had different experiences. Such as bombings and ambushes by out of uniform enemy. I did not. I was always in the field. Doing my job and hoping to get back in one piece. There wasn't many Lt Calleys in Vietnam. But its good fodder for liberal hippies wishing to use anything and everything to further their beliefs. The Cong and NVA took prisoners. They did sometimes resort to various tortures and cruel treatment. They also kept prisoners for up to six years. Most of the prisoners came home. Thats not what our boys are living with now. My son has told me he will be killed before being captured. No choice. In Nam we had a choice. As far as your comment (knowing the person you are you were probably involved in those things) Insulting my military service is crossing the line. You are a cowardly liar. Plain and simple. Just another cry baby liberal asshole that hasn't experienced anything in life but thinks he has. So fuck you. You're not brave enough or man enough to serve. You have nothing to gauge your opinions on except conjecture, movies and the liberal media. Like I said before get out of your closet and experience something. Or are you to chicken shit?

35 Rooster, I never said ALL soldiers do those things but some do. Stop putting words in my mouth. Its been documented throughout history. Yes people make movies about them because, well, they actually happened. The simple fact that we are arguing about Abu Ghraib shows that it just happened and still does. That is the nature of war. I think its hilarious that you are so quick to denounce ANY ARTICLE that disproves your pitiful arguements as FAKE only to respond with "go out and experience something". Okay, lets say I enlist and request to be stationed in Abu Ghraib. If I DO see shit going on and report about it here, you will simply call me a "cowardly whistleblower" or "a traitor" or some other crap. YOU KNOW YOU WOULD. How about you actually try to research about an issue instead of raising the BS flag everytime you can't join a discussion (which is often for you). Also, I am not going to sit here and listen to all of your insults to me and other people and not fire shit back. Obviously you can't take what you dish out. I made those comments based on how you have carried yourself in your comments and the things you have said. So instead of getting mad at me, why don't you reflect on yourself. Maybe you will see something that needs to be changed.

36 Yes! you would be a cowardly whistle blower. And a traitor and all other crap. That's what you are. Why change. You are what you are. This is how 99.99% of the soldiers in Iraq would see you. Your previous comments have exposed you for what you are. A disloyal shit. Cowardly, traitorous is correct. Don't get mad at me, why don't you reflect on yourself. However, you will not see anything that needs to be changed. Without courage, honor and loyality you will never see. In nam we had a word for people like you. Frag em.

37 You do realize that you just confirmed every conjecture I have had about you thus far? Who was just exposed? ahahahahahahahaha that made my day rooster, you idiot.

38 Yes. I am exposed as being one who would not turn on his fellow soldiers. If I felt they were doing wrong, I would stop them. When I am a member of a team, I act the part. This is how men behave. The fact that you have admitted to being a cowardly little snitch is not a laughing matter to me. You are the enemy. Same as the terrorists. You should be treated as such. You are shit. An enemy of my country. You would, by self admittance turn in your own brothers fighting your cowardly brethern. You shame any loyal American. Piss on you.

39 And what if you could not stop them or were too afraid to?

40 By the way you also just admitted that what those soliders did was WRONG. Case Closed. You are a hypocrite. If this was a cross-examination then I just broke you down. Rather easy actually.

41 JIM: Quote: it makes everyone involved turn into animals. JIM: Quote:We know all soldiers lose their way in war. JIM: Quote: I ever said all soldiers do those things. Stop putting words in my mouth. Then what the fuck did you mean. Too cowardly to stand by your statements. And who the hell is we. He wasn't their when I was there.

42 JIM: Quote: it makes everyone involved turn into animals. JIM: Quote:We know all soldiers lose their way in war. JIM: Quote: I ever said all soldiers do those things. Stop putting words in my mouth. Then what the fuck did you mean. Too cowardly to stand by your statements. And who the hell is we. He wasn't there when I was there.

43 Again, you are a liar. When did I admit they did anything wrong? You are now reduced to lies, lies, lies. Just like your muslim heros. You shame America by having a cowardly liar like you on our shores. Crawl back into your hole. You have been exposed as a liar, a coward, and a snitch. Without honor, loyality, courage. You are nothing. I piss on cowards like. I respect the terrorists more than I respect you. You are shit. Not a man. As I said before a thing like you should give it up for the world. Your fear and cowardice can be eliminated by one jump from the bridge. One time in your life you should be a man. On your way down you will experience the bravest act of your miserable life. Do it boy. Do it. Show courage one time.

44 WOW. I think your eyesight has diminished in your old age SIR. Re-read what I posted. "We all know soldiers lose their way in war." As far as war turning all involved into animals. YES IT DOES. The simple act of killing another human being in warfare actually makes us worse than animals. Again, that is a part of war. Its a terrible thing. But don't misunderstand. I said "soldiers" not "ALL SOLDIERS". I know that the majority of our troops out there follow a code and only kill because they have to. On the other hand, I know that SOME DON'T. I never said all soldiers lose their way. Do me a favor and try to digest what you read before pecking away at the keyboard in your crazy rants. Perhaps I can buy a you a pair of glasses? Oh wait, you probably already have some. Perhaps a coupon for a free eye exam to get your perscription updated?

45 Again a coward cannot understand. Panties on their heads. Must have been yours.

46 I just want to say that I served in Iraq and returned home within the last week. I am pround to have served over there and not sat in a comfy raolling chair behind some desk in an air conditioned office complaining about how life sucks or how I am going to make my next million. We are making a positive difference each and every day. I was with an engineer unit building schools, clinics, road projects, etc. Positive things your don't see on the news. I used to be with the MI unit that was at Abu Ghraib but jumped into the engineer unit prior to the beginning of the operation. I know one of the soldiers who pleaded guilty. I know what those soldiers may have felt like when they lost some of their own leading up to the abuse, many others wounded. Many were my friends too. However, that does not give anyone the right to go as far as they did. Forcing prisoners to have sex? There is a limit and some of what was occuring goes against what we in the military and what we as citizens of a free and democratic society believe in. What many do not understand is the prisoner abuse plastered on the news made our job much more difficult over there. They tried to get information from the detainees but what they did caused more harm than good. Many Iraqis who were sitting on the fence were then against us. Those who worked for us asked why. Why would americans do that? Why? Some even quit and we found it very difficult to get things done because nobody wanted to work for us. One question that stuck out in my mind asked by one of my Iraqi engineers was, "Why would the american media show that?" The answer was simple. Freedom of the press. Now, I am going to change the topic slightly. The media feeds off negative information, the terrorist know that and in a way they have one the information battle. Al Jezeera isn't alone... ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, FOX... all of them rarely show any of the positive things happening over there. My unit did well over 700 amazing projects and none made it into anything more than our local news back home, mostly print media. We have many freedoms we should all be thankful for. There is a reason for the sacrifices we make every day. Our soldiers, marines, sailors, and airmen and women are fighting in Iraq to keep terrorists from fighting here at home.

47 Greyrooster, you are the most shallowminded person i have ever heard. Wouldnt expect that from someone who grew up in a FREE world. Damn, some of you guys are no better then the arab terrorists, why dont you all kill eachother huh, good idea. Have fun dumbass

48 I also have served in Iraq! I respect you Lithium, instead you DID something,most of these posters here only sit on their ass all day sayin what people should or should not do. Maybe we should send them to iraq so they learns what real pain is. Then they would be a lil more cautious when they open their mouth. I wish these mofo's would shut it and come and help! Greyrooster, you should really learn not to blow things up, there are always two sides on a story. The americans in iraq aren't the bastards that some ppl want to believe but those pictures aren't at all the same of your highschool pranks. They are very serious and so they are punished, just like it should be! Now stop talking about shit you dont know nothing about pisspants.

1 You filthy infidels will never understand. You cannot help it being sons of noseless goats. You are inferior to the Muslim. When you accept the fact that you are an infidel and not fit to live, you will be better off. Once you accept this fact, march yourself pronto to your nearest Mosque and ask for your worthless throat to be cut. Oh, and if you were against the war in Iraq but still, not a muslim, you can have your throat cut too.

2 Time to outlaw Islam in America. Just that simple. Those that continue to practise it can go back were they came from. Muslims cannot get along with others. So separate.

3 In an attempt to be "inclusive," I know of at least one Christian College that actually has a mosque on its campus! Talk about sending mixed messages to students! How many Christian chapels are allowed on Islamic campuses over there in Iraq--or anywhere, for that matter? Last line from Bridge on the River Kwai needed here: "Madness!"

4 It's unbelieveable. What ever happened common sense. There is no social value to having these creeps in the western world. They bring nothing good to the table. If they don't believe in western ways, western civilization WHY ARE THEY HERE? I know Rusty doesn't agree. I still believe mass deportations are in order. There is no value to keeping them here. They offer nothing but social disruption. This religion should be outlawed in the west. It is no better the the thugee religion of India past. Get rid of this cancer.

5 Dare I suggest the following? Any moslem who ISN'T a threat to non-moslems isn't a good (i.e., praticing) muslem. The Koran does NOT teach tolerance. So we should thank God for all the lax moslems in the world while we defend ourselves against the ones who DO know their Koran.

6 Only a people fairly low on the evolutionary scale could believe and practise a religion like Islam. I believe many embrace Islam due to their jealousy, inferiority complex and hatred for those who they believe are better. Namely, the western white man. Their hatred for others is simply a by product. Others join due to fear, in one fashion or the other. We can call it whatever any one wishes. In the end it comes down to a religion. Religion founded on hatred and jealousy.

7 i live in pakistan and have converted to christianity. america should outlaw islam and put in jail or de-nationalize or deport anyone who talks about punishing those who leave islam. pakistan kills the apostates and so do other moslem countries (except turkey). our only hope is america and if that turns into a country accepting moslem rules then no one is there to protect us from these murdering moslems.

8 "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen F Roberts

9 Some one compared Islam to thugee religion of India past (18th cent). Well for starters thugs were not fanatical throat slitters in the name of god. They were bandits preying on highway travellers and looting and killing them (of course a form of human sacrifice to goddess kali) for monetary gains. While Islam is a cult and evil ideology intent on killing all who do not associate with this cult. The number of innocents killed by Islamist thugs is way beyond the thugees. So the only solution is a simultaneous nuclear attacks on mecca, medina, Iran, Pakistan, Palestine and of course the rest of wahhabi Saudi arabia. Do not give these virus like creatures to mutate. Just finish them off in stroke. After a few millions are wiped out the muslims of other countries like India, phillipines, indonesia etc. should be given an ultimatum to abandon this cult or face a similar fate. Only then is the future generations of humanity is assured of survival.

1 Rusty: According to the conventional wisdom in MSM he wasn't really serious about promoting democracy over authoritarian stability in the third world, and has been feverishly trying to backpedal ever since he delivered that red hot inaugural speech. Apparently they got it wrong. What are the odds?

2 Wait, you mean Bush actually means what he says? Amazing ;-)

3 If Bush didn't mean what he says, he wouldn't be loved by so many. Or hated by so many others.

1 Brilliant.

2 So typical of the UN even then they were a bunch of dunder heads. Why we are a part of this lunacy is beyond me.

3 Yeah, even back then in 1944, the UN were a bunch of dumbasses. The ignorant fools.

4 Still no improvement. Now Clinton to be UN envoy. There was no tsunami. No, never, not one time as he shakes his finger at us.

5 Guys guys, I hate to be the spoilsport, but this is parody. It's very good parody however and refers to this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52442-2005Jan31.html?sub=AR As I said, I'm sorry to be the spoilsport, but I think somebody (cough) needed to be told.

6 Absolutely amazing, isn't it? When I went back to college in my mid-thirties, one of my theses was on the Holocaust. It seemed like years before rumors even hit our shores but when we actually went there (ie Normandy and other strategic places) , our forces were in for the shock of their lives. History came from the survivors. I was amazed at the numbers; numbers of Russians, numbers of criminals and the horrific numbers of Jews. Every movie that has ever been made, I have probably seen it but I do have to say my favorite was "Escape from Sorbibor." Besides "Schindler's List" this one was definitely the best. And the thing was, the half Jewish leader, Adolf Hitler wrote a book "Mein Kamp" which you can't get in it's entirety anymore, saying everything he was going to do and why and he managed to do all that stuff (along with the SS, not the German Army who was pretty much unaware of what was going on, too and they were right there). One of the first group of Americans to come across a death camp was a platoon of black men; theseblack people were unknown to them at the time but this group were their saviors. Both groups of people were in shock, per se. I did an excellent paper on this but I had no idea the UN was even in place then much less coming to the conclusion genocide was not happening, just as genocide is not happening in Darfur or other places around the world. The UN is supposed to make sure these actions do not happen and if they are, take immediate action - and as we all know, the UN has not taken any action against anyone. So why are we bothering with them? Money was given by our govt but we all saw the President Bush has been pushing for donations to go into individual groups through Freedom Corps because he knew those donations would get to where they had to go long before all the monies of given to the UN from countries' governments will ever reach them and reach them way too late. We've had discussions about the UN before and like all the oldies' here, we believed the UN building should be razed and buried into the nearest river in NYC and all those in it, sent back to the countries fro whence they came instead of living freely in our country. Now that I know they were also involved with the situation in Germany with over 10M people killed (6M jews) only pisses me off more. They could have saved so many people from one of the most horrific historic times on this earth and another horrible thing we should never forget! Cindy

7 Will someone please open a book and tell me when the UN was established? Seems my taxes rose about that time.

8 I have a collection of Natural Geos. I often look at the ones from the late 1930s. Unbelieveable stuff. The numbers of people in the US that were pro Germany is hard to understand given what we know now. There were pro Germany parades and demostations. Particularly in the North East. People were not passively sitting and ignoring the Nazi threat as many believe. Americans were actually fighting in the streets to keep us out of the war with Germany. Communists were far more active in the labor movement than we are told today. Reminds me of the war in Iraq. The difference seems to be that once we went to war Americans banded together for a common cause. Democrats were in power when we declared war on Germany. Everyone showed their patriotism by joining in 100%. We went to war in Korea. The democrats were in charge then.Same thing happened. We went to war in Viet Nam. The democrats were in charge. Same thing happened. Then we went to war in Iraq. What did the democrats do? Food for thought.

9 2 months early but a great April Fools, sad that 6 of 8 are too blinkered to spot it. Mr Column Lynch is brillant name!

10 That was fun!!

11 Just for info Column Lynch did give it away to quick. But it did provide a platform.

12 I don't get it. What's the "UN"?

13 What would we be without the UN?

14 Right, isn't that a prefix or something??

15 UN stands for Unfriendly Nations.

16 What's sad is that the smarties who think they got it and I didn't aren't themselves smart enough to get my comments. Damn, blogging used to be so much more fun.

17 Napoleon didn't listen to the UN either.

18 If you knew anything about history, you'd realize the United Nations were established October 24, 1945. I suggest an apology or at least a clarification since, hey, after all, blogs want us to believe to be the successors of the MSM. A Eason Jordan would have to resign over this.

1 I agree. I sent a letter to the Rusan Ambassador the day after the school thing telling him I thought they sould find out who was involved. Then kill them, their wives, their kids, and their brother and sisters. I think they did not believe me, or were shocked. It took about a month to get a response that sounded bewildered. But I meant it!Going after little kids in their school! G-- Da-- them all to He--!

2 Looks like the russians have the right idea in handling terrorists you go in and shoots em dead and never mind all this nagotation poppycock nonsense

3 Dear sir I read this post with some horror. Do you not know what is going on in Russia. If you do not then I suggest you read Ana Politskaya's book on Putin. But Putin via torture and random arrests is expanding the popularity of terrorism faster than anything else could, having used his policies not only Chechnya but Ingushtia is becoming a terrorist zone. He also uses terrorists to cover for frankly racist policies within Russia itself, where secular Chechens living peacefully in St Petersburg and Moscow are persecuted. You have some nerve to back this guy, just because the west has been attacked by the same foes. If you want to read about tragedy then don't only read about the children killed at Beslan, read about the 50 Russian conscripts tortured by their own officers, who when they complained were handed back to their own officers. Read about the summary arrests. Read about the gradual infiltration of the siloviki (the old KGB men) back into Russian government. Read what your own secretary of state says about them and then support them!

4 Anonymous: Please stay anonymous. You must be muslim. Frankly, I'm not the least bit concerned about Chechens and their rebellion. We are to busy fighting killer asshole muslims in other places. Now you wish us to concern ourselves with muslims in Russia? Our soldiers get mistreated every day. Mistreated, by bullets, mines, bombs and beheadings. All from muslims. And you wish us to do WHAT? Just because we have been attacked by the same foes. Are you nuts. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

5 Putin is no angel, but Muslim terrorists make him look like one by comparison. As Omar Abdel-Rahman proved by conducting his terrorist operations from prison after orchestrating the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, there is only one way to stop terrorists. The Russians used it here. Kudos to them.

6 I can believe the idiocy I am reading on this post. First off Rod is a pysco and needs to either be put in to a mental institution. By saying we should go kill their kids and wifes means you are no better then the scum terrorist are. And if you truly believe that they don't deserve to live, why don't you just take a shotgun, drive out to your city dump, and blow your brains out. That way you can save your family from having to dispose of your body. As far as sandpiper, I have no problem shooting the terrorist dead as long as you know they are terrorist. Anonymous is right. Putin is fast becoming as sadistic as Stalin was, if not more. Soon Russia will be just like it was after WWII. Heck, not only is he killing off his own people, he is trying to kill off the Ukranian president as well, just because his puppet did was not going to win. And you greyrooster, need to be plucked and fried. All Anonymous was saying was Putin is bad. He did not say anything bad about our troops, or even ask for help from the US for Russian. He was just trying to educate you morons on the policies of the world. And if you can not open that pea size brain of yours to different ideas, maybe you should not be allowed in to these chat forms. And one thing to Van Helsing, Pre WWII, no one thought to much of a second rate man name Heinrich Himmler. But because no one paid him any attention, he was able to get up to be the number 3 (some say 2) man of Nazi Germany. My point is, if we don't watch Putin, the US could eventually rue the day.

7 BUTCH: Now we will see who has the pea sized brain? I see you join the fray with name calling and such. Therefore you have earned it back. As many before you have learned. So you ignorant asshole. If you weren't a Putin hating imbecile you would know the importance keeping the ISLAMOFACISTS busy on another front. What are we supposed to do. Russias business is Russia's business. Not ours. Keep an eye on Putin? And do what? Dumb ass. Russia is not what it used to be. Not even close. Even a dunderheaded low life like you should see that. We really don't fear a nation that couldn't successfully invade Afghanistan. Pull your head out of your stupid ass and see the light. In fact, it looks like the Russians will probably end up being our ally in the fight against the Islamofacists. How many Americans have been killed by Russians lately? Zero, Dickhead, Zero. In fact, how many Americans have ever been killed by the Russians? The issue is who is killing us now. But at times name calling low life, dickheads like you can't see that far. And back to the Nazi thing. Again & again. Get a life, shit for brains. Rod fought for this country? His opinions are his opinions. I don't agree with this particular one, but thats my opinion. He has a right to express them with being verbally attacked by punks like you. What the fuck have you ever done for this country? Like to verbally insult people? We can do it to. Have an opinion about an issue? Fine. Say it. Some people won't take your ignorant attacks. I was able to completely disagree with Anonymous without resorting to the insulting, name calling bullshit that utters from your putrid mouth. So in final, in big dog talk you get a #2. Which is piss on you.

8 Okay, let's all compromise: The Russians shouldn't kill women and children (intentionally), but let's definitely encourage them to blast the hell out of any and all terrorists. The more they kill, the fewer alive to shoot at our own troops.

9 Ok, Mister Chicken, what name calling did I use. If you are referring to me calling Rod a psycho and the rest of you morons, let me educate you. According to Merriam Webster dictionary online, a psycho is who inflicted with psychopath which is defined as extreme mental disorder marked usually by egocentric and antisocial activity. Well, wanting to have women and children killed because of what the man does seems to me to be very antisocial. So this “slur” does have some bases to be used. As for calling you all morons, Moron is defined as to slow up especially by preventing or hindering advance or accomplishment. Your mental faculties are being hinder right now by you extreme hatred of Islam. Once again the “Slur” has some bases. As for pea brain, well your use of profanity has just validated this one. Now that I have tried to educate you in English, lets go back to history shall we. Pre WWII, England and France had lots of chances to get rid of Hitler, but did not, It was a Austria problem, a Cech problem, a Jewish problem. When they did finally solved the Hitler problem it cost England 400,000 killed, 300,000 wounded, France 250,000 wounded, and 350,000 wounded, US 300,00 killed and 300,000 wounded. Why, because we did not address the problem earlier. Like a cancer, we let it grow until it was almost to late. Yes I know, it is only freaking history, but History comes back around you imbecile. (Just for you an imbecile is a person affected with moderate mental retardation.) That is why we need to watch Putin. The issue is “NOT” who is killing us now, but who “POSES A THREAT TO AMERICA, NOW AND IN THE FUTURE”. Otherwise, why did we go into raghead land. So you pull you chicken head out of the sand, (or is it your ass your have it in), and see what is happening around the world. As for what have I done for my country, I have done more then a lot of punks have. I have served in both the Army and the Marine Corp. Just because some one, myself included, serves in the military, does not grant them genius status. I have known a lot of (ex)servicemen and women, who was dumb as a rock. Now I salute them for defending our nation, but I would be damned to put a few of them in charge of making foreign policies. As for opinions, well times have change. It is no longer a good practice to go around shouting you wish some one dead. If you were a student in any high school, junior high or elementary, you would be at the least expelled, and may be arrested. As for his right to express them without be verbally attacked, you are so stupidly wrong. That is what a chat line is for. Yes this is my opinion as was my earlier posting was. And yes I have the right to express these opinion, just as you and Psycho Rod has a right attack mine. And from what I have read, all you do is attack peoples opinions and not their issues. You attacked Anonymous for trying to make you low IQ parrot see what was going on in some place. As for the piss on you statement, why don’t you just eat my sh?t, to refuel you foul mouth. As for the Young Bourbon Professional, I agree with 100%. I do not

10 BUTCH: Remember, you opened the door first. Notice my question of you must be a muslim was never (of course) answered. Read my reply to Anonymous again. Asking are you nuts is not an attack. Equating Russia today with Germany 65 years ago is stupid. Watch Putin and do what? Go to war with a nuclear power. For who, to protect muslims bent on killing us? The more Putin/Russia pounds the muslims the better. Whats the matter couldn't hack it in the Marine Corps? You are obviously one of the sore loser, moronic, Kerry the traitor loving, dick head democrats coming back out from under the rocks you slime bags have been hiding under since the election. NOW THATS AN ATTACK. Once again, piss on you.

11 Butch--Please finish your post above. I think that it got cut off.

12 You are correct again Mr YBProf. I was saying: I do not agree with anyone that supports the intentional killing of innocents (aka children and most women, some are not innocent). I am all in favor of killing those terrorist caught red handed, either by us or anyone else. But just because a rabid dog kills a fox that has been killing chickens, does not mean we need to run out and embrace the dog.

13 Perhaps embrace the rabid dog's actions but not necessarily the dog itself.

14 Butch--This is merely an academic observation, and I may well be wrong. I don't care where a person is born, but based upon my knowledge of the English language, English usage, word choice, syntax, etc., I have a hunch that English is not your native language. So, it's none of my business, and it truly doesn't matter, but am I wrong? Please be honest.

15 Did you ever wonder why the eagle in russias logo has two heads? that so it can munch as many terrorists as it can(Burp)

16 Bourbon: Butch's place of origin is the Getto. That's obvious. Also obvious that he hasn't left yet. He comes out on occassion to educate us. Usually, about the first of the month. That way he can pick up his food stamps on the way.

17 Still haven't heard back... Greyrooster, is it possible he was offended by something you said???

18 To answer your question YBP, English (aka American) is my native language. But I have grown up with a lot of foreign languages around me, (many friends and neighbors.) I also will admit, that many times I do take literary licenses for a lot of words I have used, such as "caughtee". Which most educated people such as yourself could see what I am doing, unlike the little chicken whose only big thing he has is mouth. As far as me living in the ghetto, I am not the one who has a chain gang come by and pick up trash in front of his house. I wonder how the trash gets there? Maybe a stupid chicken is so lazy or stupid, he can't find the trash can. Or maybe it just takes to much energy dodging around all those cars on cinder blocks that keeps chicken little from throwing away his own trash.

19 Butch--Thanks for responding to my query. I think that everyone who uses the English language takes SOME license with it from time to time--hence the fact that it has continued to evolve since its inception.

20 Getto porch monkey Butch. Yea, the gang picks up bottles and Mac Donalds trash left on the road that borders my property. All 1.7 miles of it. The Pearl River is on the back side so it floats away. And I bet the chain gang looks just like you. Need a job? Come on down. I can arrange it. No food stamps but free room and board. You get to keep the money for the aluminum cans for cigarettes and such. A nice green and white striped suit is also supplied. I sure you will feel right at home.

21 Greyrooster; You're an absolute fool for posting that Russia isn't what it used to be since it couldn't successfully invade Afghanistan. We (the U.S.A) couldn't successfully invade vietnam, because of the same goddamn problem, radical fanatics who have either been brainwashed by their government or their crazy religious sect (a.k.a=radical islamist groups such as the Hamas in Israel or the Tali-Ban) that will sacrifice anyone and everyone around them in order to survive. Thats what happened in vietnam with us, thats what happened to the Russians in Afghanistan. So get your facts straight before you bash a country for something our own couldn't accomplish on the same scale

1 I have HUGE differences with Muslims religiously, but seeing the pictures of them lined up to vote, I was proud of them as fellow human beings, in that they defied the bastards terrorists who threatened them if they even attempted to vote. I applaud their courage, and don'y honestly know if I would have dared to do the same. I say as a present, we publicly shoot the al-Zawari goons recently captured with the message that anyone else caught wearing a ski mask and carrying even a slingshot will meet the same fate. Had we done this day's ago, the voter turnout may have been higher.

2 Yikes--Sorry about the typos ("don'y," "day's"). And I was an English major!

3 Right on Bourbon. Anyone armed and with a ski mask should be killed on site. That's what they are doing. Killing. That's why they carry arms and ski masks. To kill. No other reason. Their call. This take them prisoner thing has never worked. If we were like them and started cutting heads off and pulling finger nails, then taking prisoners would pay. We're not. So the alternative should be get rid of them as quickly and cheaply as possible. God forbid making them wear panties on their heads. Such torture is horrible. We would be the same as them.

4 I'm fairly sure ANY prisoners would rather undergo something akin to frat-hazing than be beheaded.

1 While Israel does have some kind of responsibility towards the Palestinians (after all, they conquered the land the Palestinians live on), I think it's more reprehensible that all of the Arab countries in the Middle East have been in a position to help the Palestinians for decades and never have. Instead, they (the Arab countries) have been using the Palestinians as a playing card against each other and the West to further their own goals. Palestinian statehood would be a huge negative for them if it ever came to total fruition.

2 As long as it Needles and not Thermal, Brawley or Indio I guess its OK. Just dont send their Governor out here.

3 Don't kid yourselves that the Arabs care at all about the Palestinians. They don't - as demonstrated in "Black September" when Jordan shot about 10 000 of them. Arab "support" for the Palestinians is only because they hate Israel worse. As for how Israel "conquered the land the Palestinians live on" that's not entirely correct either. Notwithstanding that it was the Arabs who invaded Israel in 1948, not the other way around, the Arabs in the area fled on the advice of other Arab countries who figured they would win the war after which they could return victorious. Unfortunately the Arabs lost and they've been bitter about it ever since.

4 There's more at my blog here, if anyone's interested.

5 Good Question; I've been asking that same question myself but still Israel gets away with doing just about anything they want. Ariel Sharon wants the Palestinians wiped off the face of the earth and they are doing it little by little and sometimes a lot by a lot and despite what the useless UN does or says or the World Court says or does, Ariel Sharon coninues to do whatever he wants. I do not know why but are they afraid of them? Or are they letting him get away with more than they would any other country because of what happened in the past? It's not like they can't protect themselves; they've just taken it a step further and it's time someone really stomped on him and put in a leader who is fair, justified, and able and willing to promote peace. Ariel Sharon is not that man. Many of the jews themselves despise that man and his party; it is up to the jews in Israel (whom have already protested against him) and the Europian countries to put this man in his place and that place is in jail. My best friend growing up was Jewish and I went to a Catholic School. I know for a fact that this family does not agree with Sharon and glad it's not on our land. I don't care what the PLO did in the past but what they have had to put up with from the Israeli government is just plain simply wrong - they are prisoners in the destructive area that h allows them to live in and NO ONE has that right to play GOD. Cindy Cindy

6 And if anyone does not believe that Ariel Sharon is a terrorist needs a reality check. ~C

7 I think the UN and most western nations support Israel for one reason. Past suffering may play a part. However, I believe support comes from one main issue. Israel doesn't vow to kill all Palestinians and Muslims in the middle east. The Palestinians call for death to all Jews. Drive them into the sea is their call. The rest of the Arab world really doesn't give a shit about the Palestinians. They are considered a 3 class, conquered people. A pawn in religious politics at best. To me, screw them, they danced in the streets when 3000 people were cowardly slaughtered at the World Trade Center. I cannot forgive them for this. Not that I care so much for Israel, but they didn't dance in the streets.

8 Someone take a picture. greyrooster and I actually agree on something.

9 I don’t agree that Arabs look to Palestinians as a 3 class , or they don’t care about them. and I don’t agree that Arabs hate Jews . However Arabs don’t recognize the existent of 50 years old state “Israel” established on the blood of hundreds thousand of women and children for no reason just because the European want to get their forgiveness and get ride of them , as well as they may don’t like Arabs , so the best way it was to support them to live on other people land and using the holy text to justify their goals

10 firstbrokenangel, the reason the palestines can't do anything is because they have nothing to fight with. The US gets their wepons from the Israelies...so the obviously have some of the best. and what do the palestines have?....

11 The jewish community bought much of the land from the palestinians before the UN mandate to create a Zionist state. Many palistinian husbands and fathers willingly sold them the land. Yes, the European countries made things worse by createing a Jewish state, but much of the land belonged to them (jewish buyers) already. Yes, the Arabic countries were bitter about losing the war, but instead of looking to the real reasons why they lost, they rebelled further into ideocratic states, and continued to isolate themselves from each other in part to western influence and in a larger part due to religious and clan based differences. This is what we see today within the middle-eastern states. Much hatred based on religion and past clan based wars. Palestine became a convienent and easy scapegoat. A symbol of western oppression, when in reality the other Arab states could have constructively helped them, but they largely "helped" by spouting hatred towards the west and creating further ideolistic schisms. We are all people, more alike than different. We all want our kids to have a better life than we did. That lesson has been lost largely in that area and people feel trapped in their lives. That on top of the hatred, killing, religion and politics will never be resolved until all sides can really forgive and treat each other with compassion. Now it has degenerated into "us vs. them" on so many levels that I believe no side will ever have peace. Both sides have plenty of sins to atone for and both sides need to find understanding before anyone could have hope of peace. I fear that the easy way (guns, war, murder) will be the only way and that the strong way (understanding and forgiveness) will appear to hard to find.

12 that masseg is for every one in this world we wonat but jwsh life in our earth and we have to kell every one of them like what they are doing in FALSTAEN we will kill them to have a good life to fill we are the best in this world

13 the original poster of this is an idiot. the jews have been victims for thousands of years at the hands of the local barbaric arabs. FINALLY, after these thousands of years the establish their own nation again....but in the process have to deal w/ the "jawas" constantly bickering at them and trying to blow them up. the fact you even hinted that Jews are more to blame than arabs just solidifies your ignorance, so congrats....your on your way to becoming just as cool as Bill O'reily. the jews will do whatever is necesary for them to survive, seeing as half of them were whipped out when the world did little to stop the German onslaught....so no one can blame them for being paranoid and refusing to take sh*t from anyone. this whole issue could easily be resolved w/ a man made plague that whipes out those not immunized....then BAM, there goes the middle east and their ancient insane ways. the only good Islamic fundamentalism is one w/ 2 rounds in his head.

14 Ali A, assuming your really serious and that stupid. if our marauding forces dont cap you soon enough, i got a round w/ your foreheads name on it.

15 greyrooster or woteva ur name is.. if ur only reason for hating palestinians is bcos thy danced wen 3000 people were killed in NY.. then i may b abl to aid your little media influenced mind - those pictures you saw were from the previous eid celebration - ye fair enough, they were dancing burning US flags.. but not for 9/11 - in fact they held peace vigils in palestine - but obviously your media won't show you this.. i dnt blame you for your views.. its bcos as u sed.. u dnt giv a shit much about the issue and wont b bothered to think outside of the box and question the images u see... but maybe u can wake up a lil and stopped being the typical western 9-5 working pawn in the game of capitalism.

16 and EV1L - you can hav as many caps as u want ready.. you will never scare a muslim like that.. this is wot we 'want'.. as death for the cause is the best death we can aspire for. unlik western fighters.. they fear for their lives.. hence just bombing the shit out of a country before landing to just walk about for a bit in security.. islamic jihaadis hav no fear of death.. and actualy want death.

17 The jews are the ones I chose. The Palestinians are the others I chose. And together we willhave a lot of fun! I am a cynic god.

18 arab very like ass bz yhey get very tight on ass and the arabs big ass is very suiet for the ass

19 Aravi Tov, Aravi Met. The only solution to the worlds problems is to wipe out all the Arabs. They are worthless scum and are the lowest form of life.

20 may be the arabs r not one of the most democratic people around but it hardly justifies the nature of the israelis.you keep on blowing the trumpet of of being the only democracy in the middle east n then ur spies assasinate people all over the world in broad daylight,completely circumventing the judiciary,n that too with the full endorsement of ur"elected" govt.ur bulldozers raze the houses of innocent civilians,ur army helps lebanese maronites in massacring thousands of unarmed people.if palestinian bombers kill innocent people,do ur precision missiles target just that one odd hamas millitant or scores of people around him also.dont u people deserve all this.

21 oh man!i i can never forgive Hitler,absolutely not, for the mistake he commited.he killed just 6 million of those jews n left the rest of them alive to parasititze this earth.i wish i could turn back time,get hold of each n every jew;put every male in the gas chamber,rape all those jewish whores n then put them in the chamber too along with their children.just a cursory analysis of any major ill humanity has faced since time immemorial would lead u to the root of that ill withn no time:n the root cause is those BLOODY JEWS.they are a liability for people of all creeds,faiths n religons.mother fuckers,bastards,swines,filthy scum,traitors,a disgrace to humanity -they are much,much more than this.one second thoughts id like to thank you HITLER,for eradicating at least 6 million of them.

22 wow jeweraser, how thoughtful and kind of you to want to kill me and sleep with my jewish "whores", truly inciteful indeed, obviously what you wrote out was well thought out and planned. i would just to know what would bring someone to saysuch horrible things about (and corect me if im wrong) people you most probably have never met in real life... and andalus, well i have onyl one question for you, would any other city in the middle east host anything remotely considered a gay pride parade (not that this is the sole qualificationfor a democracy, but it helps...) i dont think you would have a gay pride parade in bagdad or any single other city in the surrounding area (besides, israel obviously..) so if you want to talk about democracy, start with the basics, then when they stop trying to blow them selves up, ew will stop assasinating the people who plan these attacks... seeing as there will be no more reason for it....

23 Muslims should be slaughtered like the racist hateful pigs they are. They are taught from childhood to hate and kill anyone that is not Muslim. As a Christian I will do whatever it takes to defend my faith but more importantly keep these animals at bay.

1 Hey, at lest the guy is "being questioned" about the case.

2 I see a sleeper for father of the year. ;-)

3 what is there to question this is MURDER and the worst kind. What kind of people do this and what kind of people accept this as the norm. I am so angry at this and to make a joke of it beggars belief.

4 PS answer: none As to the rest of the joke, Rusty, that's awful! While they were all there at Mecca in Saudi Arabia, I thought would have been a good time to drop a nuclear bomb. And I don't want to hear any bullshit from anyone on my opinion, thank you very much. You morons who send me hate mail without leaving your nick can all go to hell. Cindy

5 I think the key here is that he was an employee of the ISLAMIC affairs ministry. I kill you in the name of GOD who is all good and merciful. Backward bunch of dickheads.

6 LR: Some make a joke of it because they are frustrated and know they cannot do anything about it. You claim to be so angry. What are you going to do with your anger? Strike at whom?

7 I suppose im frustrated too thats why im angry. The "joke" is bad enough but its what actually happened that angers me more. I havent got a clue what to do it just worries me what kind of world we are bringing our children up in. What lies ahead for them, if this is the kind of scum we are dealing with. I dont know how a father for want of a better word could do this to his child. MONSTER

8 Acts like these are a prime example of what I see as a progressively dangerous conflict between religion and basic, human rights. I certainly think anyone who wants to practice any religion has a right to do so. But Islamic teachings say that the act such as this one are allowed. So should we leave them be because it's just "their custom?" I believe the answer is no. It is time for Muslims, Christians, and everyone else to begin to interpret their holy books in a way that makes some fucking common sense. But again, if religious people are expected to contemporize holy scripture, doesn't that mean they are picking and choosing how they act? This is a conflict that has been a huge problem for a LONG time, but only now with a push for humanitarian treatment of all people has it been brought to attention. So what do we do about it? I'm still not sure.

9 Mental health tests? the only testing this man needs is to see how much medicine they need to inject him with to make sure he dies fast.

10 Heavy Igor, heavy. And to the point.

1 This is a pretty nasty trend with which to start off the new year. The Chinese connection I find **extremely** fascinating.

2 Is this the one they landed in San Antonio?

3 Thank God for Michelle Malkin! It is too bad the MSM and "moderate" Republicans give her no heed.

4 Its surprising this stuff even makes it into the news, with the number of airplanes intercepted by the DEA and the military for drug interdiction. Hell the drug cartels got their hard earned dollars to attempt to buy submarines from the russians, and even buy engineering capabilities to build silent electric submersibles. Whats more surprising is that not even FOX talks about how US and Russian Inteligence agencies in unison with Interpol made close to half a dozen arrests in the Balkans and Turkey of the occasional drug / arms dealer turned half baked nimwit trying to sell cesium and uranium back in the 90's brought in from Ukraine or Siberian regions. Must not be important ...