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November 26, 2004

72 Virgins Dating Service

Via No Pasaran! this Army Ranger shirt:

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The Backdoor Draft and Pat Tillman as SI Sportsman of the Year

Johnny Walker Red has a great little story about his friend upset about her Dad getting caught up in the so-called backdoor draft. It's understandable that many mothers and daughters of those called up from Reserve or National Guard units are upset. Rarely, however, do we hear complaints from the men and women serving our country.

In my view, the men and women of our National Guard and Reserve are more like Pat Tillman than Michael Moore. Pat Tillman, as you may recall, walked away from a 3.6 million dollar contract from the Arizona Cardinals after 9/11 to join his brother in the U.S. Army. Earlier this year Tillman was killed in Afghanistan. My experience has been that those who serve our nation in a part-time capacity never flinch, never complain, and are happy to go fight when Uncle Sam calls them. Most may not leave a career in NFL football, but they do leave their jobs, families, and friends behind to protect our country at home and abroad when asked. For their service we are thankful.

Blackfive, SondraK, Right on Red, Pierre Legrande and others have noted that Sports Illustrated is taking votes on Sportsman of the Year. Pat Tillman is on the short list, but is running third. Please go and vote for him here. Tillman gave his life for the country he loved. Now lets do something for him.

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November 24, 2004

Well, it's almost time for that neocon/fascist holiday again

Where we opress [the] Turkey and celebrate the escape from Europe. Meanwhile the French just aren't eating Mickey Dee's french fries the way they used to. Like that's gonna change our minds about Iraq, right? Or keep Lance from winning another TdF.

It's hell, being American. more...

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November 22, 2004

Kevin Sites, You're Still a Traitor

The thing about traitors is that they rarely realize that they have committed treason. Traitors tend to believe either one of two things (or both). First, traitors believe that they are acting in the best interests of their country. They believe that the nation's leaders are taking the country down a terrible path. Therefore, they justify there acts of treason as a higher love of country. If only the leaders of the nation were as smart as me, they think, they would understand that Israel needs these secrets. I'm doing it for the good of my country.

The second way traitors rationalize their acts of treason is by saying they have an obligation to something higher than country. America is my country, they say, but world stability and peace are a higher duty. It's not so much that I sympathize with Soviet communism, it's that I know the Russians having the bomb will ensure it will never be used again.

Several days ago I called Kevin Sites a traitor. Today, I am even more sure of it. By putting journalism above the lives of his fellow citizens Kevin Sites reveals that his devotion to journalism supersedes his love of country and of the Marines he claims to love. James Joyner says that Sites argument is persuasive, but do not be fooled. Sites rests his argument on the assumption that journalists have a higher duty to that of country--their duty is to journalism itself.

Here is what Sites' says:

For those who don't practice journalism as a profession, it may be difficult to understand why we must report stories like this at all -- especially if they seem to be aberrations, and not representative of the behavior or character of an organization as a whole.
The answer is not an easy one.
In war, as in life, there are plenty of opportunities to see the full spectrum of good and evil that people are capable of. As journalists, it is our job is to report both -- though neither may be fully representative of those people on whom we're reporting. For example, acts of selfless heroism are likely to be as unique to a group as the darker deeds. But our coverage of these unique events, combined with the larger perspective - will allow the truth of that situation, in all of its complexities, to begin to emerge. That doesn't make the decision to report events like this one any easier. It has, for me, led to an agonizing struggle -- the proverbial long, dark night of the soul.

Kevin Sites, I have also searched your soul. You love your job more than you love your country. I hope you rot in hell. Here are Sites' conclusion on the incident:

So here, ultimately, is how it all plays out: when the Iraqi man in the mosque posed a threat, he was your enemy; when he was subdued he was your responsibility; when he was killed in front of my eyes and my camera -- the story of his death became my responsibility.
The burdens of war, as you so well know, are unforgiving for all of us.
I pray for your soon and safe return.

Mr. Sites, you have pronounced judgement on this Marine and I now pronounce judgement on you. You are guilty of treason. You put your devotion to the story above your devotion to your nation. You put your devotion to the story above the lives of your 'friends' you are embedded with. You are not their friend, you are their enemy and you are now an enemy of the people of the United States.

Like most traitors, you did not pause to think of the long-term consequences of your actions. I'm sorry, as a journalist you should have known about how the Arab media would have covered this. You should have known that this footage would incite others to murder Americans. There is a reason Muslims around the world hate us, it is because they believe Americans are out to get them. They believe we are in Iraq to steal their oil. They believe American soldiers are just as bad as the terrorists we fight. Your video has just proved this to them.

Like most traitors you excuse your actions. You had reasons to do the things you did. Fine. You had a reason to release this video footage. And Charlie Manson had reasons to kill Ms. Tate. So what? Unlike Texas Native, I will not be so forgiving of you. If you wish my forgiveness then ask for it. An excuse is not an act of contrition neither is it repentance. But before you ask for my forgiveness I suggest asking for forgiveness from the 17 Iraqis murdered in Mosul last week. Before you released your tape, hostages were murdered in the garb of Abu Ghraib. Now, they will be murdered with a shot to the back of the head as a way to remind Muslim viewers that the terrorists are just doing what the Americans are doing. Ask forgiveness from the hundreds of American soldiers who will die because the resistance has found a new piece for their recruitment videos.

Erik at No Pasaran brought to my attention this article by Jack Kelly:

Fallujah ranks up there with Iwo Jima, Inchon and Hue as one of the greatest triumphs of American arms, though you'd have a hard time discerning that from what you read in the newspapers.

There is only one reason why the enormous victory in Fallujah seems so hollow, and that reason is Kevin Sites. All military offensive have questionable acts committed in them, but Kevin Sites has made one action the focal point of attention for a billion Muslims. It is as if D-Day happened and the headlines were about the act of a single corporal in a single French village.

Kevin Aylward at Wizbang wants to know what we think of Kevin Sites' response. Did I mention yet that Kevin Sites is a traitor? No? Ok, Kevin Sites is a traitor.

Charles Johnson at LGF writes of Sites response:

The importance of journalists in war can be debated. But if the ultimate objective of any war is to win, then having people like Sites accompany soldiers on life-and-death missions, when his objective is not to win but to record and publicize and play everything Â“straight down the middle,Â” is a very dangerous situation.

The solution to this problem is clear: replace embedded reporters with military pool reporters. After Vietnam, the military realized that reporters were not patriots. Reporters were interested in the story, not America's victory. At the end of the Gulf War, though, the military rethought their position. The US had just won the most decisive victory in military history only to find that there was no video of it. The propaganda value of such a victory was clear to them. The solution was the present system of embedded reporters.

Reporters embedded in US military units are there for a purpose. They are there to spread our version of the events of battle. They are part of the strategy of victory. When reporters no longer serve this purpose they should be cut off. Kevin Sites has proved that the embed system is a failure.

Reporters working for such organizations as NBC, ABC, CBS, etc. should be replaced by reporters working directly for the US Armed Forces. To these reporters their highest obligation will be clear. Such military reporters could then give pool feed to the networks. The networks would then be free to run stories as they wish, given the limitations of the information given to them by military reporters.

Chad mentions that Sites' did not want any special attention from this. Fair enough. But it is also fair for us, the American public, to ask whether having people like Sites around serves our national interests? If the answer is no, then let us end the embed system. If all journalists have a higher allegiance to journalism than they do to America, then it is the system that is broke. Sites is just a sympton of the system.

Pennywit suggests that Kevin Sites' response gives a hint at what it might have been like to be there. It does not. What it shos is what it was like for an NBC reporter to have been there. What Sites' response does not tell you is what it would have been like had another Marine been taping the incident. Facts are facts, but cameras and film do not just show facts. As Hindrocket notes, Sites story does not factually differ from that of the Marines. But stories can be told from more than one angle. And since images are tools of propaganda, then let the images coming out of Iraq serve our purposes and not the purposes of our enemy.

Al Jazeera understands this. This is why the Sites video is shown over and over. This is why the images they show coming out of Iraq are of dead children, burning houses, and of American GIs dead on the streets. What does al Jazeera know about journalism that Kevins Sites does not? Al Jazeera knows that America is their enemy.

Kevin Sites believes that journalism precludes one from having enemies. I do not blame Sites personally for believing this. That is what they teach you at journalism school: journalistic ethics are higher than all other moral obligations. Beck claims Sites account is unbiased, but he is wrong. Sites account is biased by the very assumptions he makes about a reporters ethical obligations. Just read this NY Times article which Boing Boing (found via Wes Roth) claims is a first of sorts. The Times takes Sites' version of the story as the final word on the subject. And why should they not? They share the same ethical standards, the same guiding principals of what is right and what is wrong. The NY Times is not shocked at Sites behavior. They would only be shocked had Sites chosen not to pass along the footage.

Via Sue Bob I found this article by Ken Myers in the Telegraph. Like Sue Bob, I also think Ken Myers gets it:

We in the media must learn what our role in that struggle will be. Vicarious indignation at so-called atrocities is a moral frivolity: it proves that we are unaware of the scale of the crisis we face, now and into the foreseeable future. Our common enemy has vision, dedication, courage and intelligence. He is profoundly grateful for whatever tit-bits come his way: our media have a moral obligation to ensure that we are scattering absolutely none in his direction. (emphasis Sue Bob's)

Let me end this ranting by stating that I am agnostic on the Marine in question's behavior. I do not know if what he did was a war-crime, a violation of military rules of engagement, or completely justified given the context of the situation. I will let a military tribunal decide that question. But I trust our military will do the right thing. Give them the tools, and they will win the war. But cameras are also tools of war. Cameras are can be just as deadly as guns. I would not trust a neutral observer to ride around with the Marines carrying a gun. Why would we let one carry around a camera then?

Either reporters are on our side or they are not. If not, remove them from combat.

I echo the words of the Editor when I say, "nice going asshat!" But Sites is more than an asshat. He is a traitor. A man who put his professional obligations above his country is a traitor by definition.

If there is any hope to be found in this story it is to let this story serve as a clarifying moment for us. The Islamofascists had declared war on the US long before 9/11, but that event woke us up from the slumber we were in. Fallujahgate was not the moment that the media declared they were not on the side of US victory, they had always claimed their neutrality if not hostility. However, let us now wake up from our slumber and realize that the media is not on our side. Let this incident serve as the 9/11 of the media. The Bush doctrine says that if you are not for us in the war on terrorism, then you are against us. What Fallujahgate reminds us is that the media is not for us. If not for us then they are against us. And if they are against us, then WTF are we allowing the enemy riding around in a Humvee full of Marines?

That's all for now. I'd appreciate your thoughts on the matter.

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1 For the record, Rusty, I don't forgive Sites (at least, not yet) because I haven't yet found anything to forgive him for. Obviously, we'll disagree on that point, too.

Posted by: Boyd at November 22, 2004 03:18 PM (VeBwJ)

2 DIE SITES, DIE!!!!!!!

Posted by: John at November 22, 2004 03:27 PM (AEjRy)

3 Hmm...interesting analysis...Rather than vent your anger at Sites, why not direct it at NBC if you're so sure it was wrong to air the video. Sites would have submitted the story, but, ultimately it would have been NBC to decide whether to air it or not. Calling him a "traitor" smells a little scapegoatish. His camera was running and the Marine knew he was there - he was going to capture whatever the Marines were doing, which, unfortunately, involved the shooting. (And, if it's any consolation, I'd be surprised if the army continues to allow the current embedded reporter system to remain in place) Sure, film has been a propoganda tool almost since it was invented. But, if you *really* want to show people what's happening, do you start deciding what's shown and what isn't shown? A reporter shows the good and the bad - if he doesn't and only shows one side, how does he maintain being objective? How does this erase the "MSM is biased" attitude? In such a case, the MSM is still biased, but in a different way.

Posted by: Venom at November 22, 2004 03:27 PM (dbxVM)

4 John, I don't wish Sites' death--only his incarceration. Or, short of that, that he and all other reporters are 'un-embedded'. Venon, good point. NBC is full of traitors too. I know that's not your point, but it is your logic combined with mine. I think you misunderstand how 'news' is 'made'. The very nature of the questions asked biases all reports in one way or another. By its nature news is not neutral. It can't be because all information must be reduced. Which pieces of information are left out and which are included bias all reports in one way or another. Further, facts are not reported in a vacuum. They have context. What I want is for all context to be toward a common goal: winning. If the context is otherwise, then the facts are propaganda for our enemies.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 22, 2004 03:31 PM (JQjhA)

5 Kevin Sites made a choice. He felt it was the right choice of himself and his future. I don't believe (as he claims) he did all this soul searching. He thought he would gain fame by stabbing the Marines (and America) in the back. All this crap about discussing the tape with Marine Corps Officers is bull shit. They had to agree to have it shown. If they hadn't he would have made a bigger story of the (so called) cover up. Same for NBC. He could be working for ABC next week. The safety of our Marines was not on his agenda. Only the glory he could gain. My belief is that the Marine was correct in his action. The biggest mistake was with the soldiers the day before that took them prisoners. The should have been killed at that time. They are the enemy. They do not follow the Geneva Convention amd should be killed on site. For all we know the terrorist shot could have been one of the ones who shot the unarmed hog tied Iraqi recruits. Have a good day Kevin Sites. You damn traitor.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 22, 2004 03:48 PM (BFaxF)

6 Come on people the same argument was made of when the photo's of the dead were printed for the first time during the Pacific campaign. Newsprint and video journalism is used by both sides for propoganda, general information, and inteligence. The armed services want those reporters there because they have the ultimate control over the news spin: our side of the story. People called Calley a coward for Mei Lay ... just because he stood in the way of some screwed up idiot thought he would have himself a village cookout. Reporters prevent the recurance of such situations by showing the general public military will not allow its soldiers to do such things. The media is good for the soldiers as well, it gets their story out as well ... but of course since everyone must think the same all that is mute.

Posted by: Salamander at November 22, 2004 03:48 PM (F26eZ)

7 "Either reporters are on our side or they are not. If not, remove them from combat." Well then you could use the guidelines of: Either the university prof teaches the classes in a manner exactly the provost and president want or they are out. The difference of what our Armed Forces stand for is as our soldiers have been seen on video and newsprint for the last ~ 215 years ... overall a group of hard fighting and hard playing people, with the an occasional messup. If you guys cant stomach the fact or the reality of it that a soldier screws up thats how it is in real life. Boot camp and the comanding officers teach those soldiers the rules of engagement, the enemy may brake them, but as soldiers of the United States Armed Forces they are bound to those rules. Thats is what seperates us from the monkeys that run around the streets and shoot at anything that moves.

Posted by: Salamander at November 22, 2004 04:01 PM (F26eZ)

8 If you shoot me in the leg and then I get in my car and run you down, what right do you have to bitch about my driving? Apply that here to Al-jism w/Sites is doing.

Posted by: Bullshark at November 22, 2004 04:08 PM (m6fxr)

9 Salamander, the last time I checked I never killed any one with my biases in class. Al Jazeera, on the other hand, murders American citizens every day through their incitement.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 22, 2004 04:10 PM (JQjhA)

10 salamander can find something wrong with Miss America.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 22, 2004 04:15 PM (BFaxF)

11 This Site's guy was really at the back of the queue when intellect was handed out.

Posted by: Paul Barwick at November 22, 2004 04:33 PM (PM/BC)

12 "Well then you could use the guidelines of: Either the university prof teaches the classes in a manner exactly the provost and president want or they are out." A what? Salamander, I'd try and argue with you, but you make no sense. Rusty - amen.

Posted by: Maureen at November 22, 2004 04:35 PM (ny5O/)

13 I was listening to a radio talk show in my car today, and a woman called in to say that her son's in Iraq, and although everyone's been talking about it among the soldiers, that they are still pretty much upbeat and are not taking it to heart. I was worried that morale would start dropping as a result of this big tadoo and that maybe our boys would start thinking twice about firing now, thus putting themselves in even MORE danger than before. This is a different kind of war with these insurgent bastids. They don't play by any rules, so why should our boys have to be subjected to criminal investigations??????????

Posted by: Laura at November 22, 2004 04:36 PM (ptOpl)

14 Rusty, The punishment for treason is death. That's why I wished death upon Kevin "Benedict" Sites. John

Posted by: John at November 22, 2004 04:39 PM (AEjRy)

15 Yeah, these modern day embeds are turning out to be like a girl with an accent (particularly Australian, NZ or Irish) - they seem all pretty and like a good idea, and then a year later they can't hide in their shell any longer and you find out what they're all about... ... uh, not that I'm speaking from experience. (dang, you can never get the good years back)

Posted by: Editor at November 22, 2004 05:28 PM (adpJH)

16 I'd love it if the patrol Sites was accompanying came under intense fire. Sites: Guys!!! There some guy pointing some kind of gun at me here!!! Help!!!! Marine: Shoot him with your camera?

Posted by: Red Devil at November 22, 2004 05:58 PM (+vlk+)

17 "They don't play by any rules, so why should our boys have to be subjected to criminal investigations??????????" Because, Laura, rules are what differentiate a soldier from criminal-infested insurgents.

Posted by: Venom at November 22, 2004 06:06 PM (dbxVM)

18 Indeed.

Posted by: Scott at November 22, 2004 06:18 PM (EVgBK)

19 (Putting on my John Lennon glasses for a moment) Imagine there's no country, and no religion too... Imagine who the press would report on and sell their papers to... Imagine there's no 9/11s, how many papers sold on 9/12? Imagine all the people, living lives of peace... You know... that would be real tragedy, for a newspaper editor. Only cats stuck up trees to report on, and babies born with six fingers. To tell the full "objective" story, this 2 second video would need to show how the Marines ended up in that room full of dead or dying insurgents... but we don't see that. Maybe it's because that insurgent whose brains now decorate the walls was holding a rifle 2 minutes earlier, hell bent on killing the Marine who eventually shot him. To get the full objective story, we would also need to be shown the videos of the guys who came out of a building 18 months ago waving a white flag then proceeded to blow away the soldiers who accepted their "surrender". But there's no paper sales and little TV debate spanning the commercial breaks when something is clear-cut and just. I just wish people would try to put themselves in this Marine's shoes. I know for a fact, that in such an intense situation I would be shooting anything that moves and even stuff that didn't move ... just to make sure that remains the case. Yeah, you can point to training but where the hell do you train for Fallujah? In training, at the back of your mind is always the knowledge that you are safe and that it is all just "training"... no guy is going to jump out of shadows and bullet your brain.

Posted by: Red Devil at November 22, 2004 06:28 PM (+vlk+)

20 see what greyhawk, an army guy in Iraq says about this, and if you want you can read my comments on the matter in his comments http://www.mudvillegazette.com/archives/001781.html or I am now whining to the internet myself at http://roomforrant.blogspot.com/2004/11/oh-yeah.html

Posted by: Mr. K at November 22, 2004 06:34 PM (bRvsc)

21 Rusty, I gave Sites the benefit of the doubt. I believed it was extemperaneous editing by the Rather News Network (NBC). Now that his own words come on the subject I'm torn between offering him up to the terrorists that will behead him or going over there and doing it myself. Sites has earned his place of dishonor next to the likes of Hanoi Jane, and Communist Kerry. God may forgive him but I will not. ..in other news a marine unit came under fire from an insurgent feigning death..and another one with a white flag..and another one from a mosque...and another one from a booby-trapped dead body...and another one from a school....and another one from a hospital.............

Posted by: Jeremy at November 22, 2004 06:42 PM (JYeBJ)

22 Kevin Sites clearly has been gunning for the military the whole time he has been in Iraq. Review the TOTALITY of his work. It clearly shows ACTIVE sympathy for the enemy, to the detriment of the soldiers. Their true story is not being told by this embed, and the American people are being cheated out of their proud history-provided to us in US military blood. When military history records this incident, it will mark a distinct change in the military-media relationship, thank God. Kevin Sites was the pool reporter when the first unit entered the mosque, encountered the wounded, then moved on. He then (coincidence?) happened to be with another unit, that also went into the same mosque. With tape rolling, he is heard saying "These are the wounded that were never picked up" After the shooting, he asks the soldier if he knew these were the wounded prisoners, and the soldier responds "I didn't know, sir". Sites then scurries off to superior officers shows them the tape and suggests they investigate it. He has been around long enough to understand the full ramifications of releasing this tape -- that's WHY he did it. He didn't know if that prone enemy was still alive, he had know way of knowing whether the guy was booby trapped or armed. Sites was standing behind a very large Marine the whole time, whom he repaid with a long closeup of the guy's name on his backpack. He knows EXACTLY what he is doing. I don't believe any news reporting coming from Kevin Sites. He has lost all credibility as a journalist. Instead of being an impartial observer, he inserted himself into the military process and got events rolling in a certain direction. Some have commented that he has seen alot of combat. It has all been under the protective umbrella of the soldiers he is embedded with. I don't believe his story about the harrowing kidnapping earlier this summer he reported. It stinks to high heaven. All we have right now is Sites' version of how things went down. I am sickened by his pious, self-serving, high-minded defense of his actions. WHAT ABOUT THE MARINE? It is reprehensible that any of our guys would have to stick their necks out to protect Sites. Does 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines know what his MO is? Do they know the extent to which they have been stabbed in the back? My heart goes out to these guys, 50 of which have paid the price for the decision to do surgical urban warfare so as to minimize civilian Iraqi deaths (NO Iraqi civilian deaths so far). They are being robbed of their righteous glory, and that is the true crime in all of this. Today, there was another incident where a "dead" terrorist actually got off the first shot when Marines approached him. Did they hesitate? Were Kevin Sites and his camera in the area? This guy is a danger to every soldier within 100 ft radius of him. What about punitive measures against the networks, including Matt Lauer, whose presentation appears to have been written by Zarqawi himself.

Posted by: jordan at November 22, 2004 07:06 PM (7y04D)

23 First of all, there shouldn't even BE a discussion over this. But, thanks to modern technology, we now have the means of getting everything on camera and available worldwide in a matter of minutes. God knows how many similar situations have happened in past wars. Only because this poor Marine was caught "on camera", like a "Cops" episode, we hear the backlash and hoopla. The war in the Mid East is like no other one. There isn't anything civilized about it. We are not there to mind our manners, we are there to defend ourselves and our country. I only hope and pray that no charges are filed against the Marine. If there are, every Goddamned soldier should protest and pull out.

Posted by: Laura at November 22, 2004 07:57 PM (ptOpl)

24 Question: Does a reporter get paid more depending how big a story he reports or captures on film becomes? If so how could a man like this be un-biased? Even answering the question no, they don't get paid more for how big the story is, that it's a flat rate no matter how BIG a story, the infamy he recieves from this means his stock just went up. I mean by that who knew of Kevin Sites before this? This really left him in a no lose position. I sure he thought hard about what was going to become of this nice marine and countless others in our coalition once he released this tape of his... And he said, you know what, what has my country ever done for me i'm gonna take care of number 1! I say make him stand in front of those guys over there and try to explain how his news footage supersedes there safety. Not that it only has the effect of giving ZAR,COW,WEEEE more ammo but the next marine might think twice before acting. I didn't here a "cock crow three times" but i think all our military men have been betrayed by Mr. Sites and his personal agenda.

Posted by: K G at November 22, 2004 08:50 PM (xXUWq)

25 This whole thing has my heart darkened. It doesn't matter a damn if Rusty, or me or anybody thinks Sites is a traitor. The fact is, he'll return home to accolades and Pulizers and Palm D'ors and dinner parties while the Marines will still get shot in the back by terrorists playing possum. Nobody gives a damn about the Marines. Or this country. America might as well be a 7-11 for as much as 9-11 means to anybody anymore. A sizeable portion of this country finds the concept of national sovereignty to be ludicrous, and so, much of this country finds no meaning in the concept of treason, except as a possible electoral smear. It's just a word. There is no honor left in this country. What the hell are we fighting for? The right of men like Sites to be deified and lionized by Hollywood gods for sticking a knife in the back of the men that secure that right for him? What the fuck is the point?

Posted by: SparseMatrix at November 22, 2004 08:56 PM (HI5ar)

26 Matrix, so fucking true! Like that song they played when we were in Nam? "What are we fighting for? Don't ask me cuz I don't give a damn...next stop is Viet Nam. Whoopie! We're all gonna die" Something like that, anyway.

Posted by: Laura at November 22, 2004 09:05 PM (ptOpl)

27 Off subject but I hope all watches the special on EURABIA coming on tomorrow night. I believe it's a four part series. May put some insight into why much of Europe is not with us. It may be to late for them to save themselves without immediate mass deportations. Amazing how European news agencies seen to be looking the other way during riots, hatred and violence in their countries but bring out the smallest transgression in America. EURABIA IS REAL. Watch this special.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 22, 2004 10:52 PM (BFaxF)

28 I think everyone needs to take a deep breath and calm down about Kevin Sites. He was assigned by the military organized pool to follow that unit, video what he saw, and distribute that video to the rest of the pool. If you have a problem with him, you have a problem with the military under whose auspices he was acting. The mere fact that we know his name is Â“Kevin SitesÂ” reflects an attempt to invent some nefarious narrative for his actions when if fact he was doing EXACTLY what he was supposed to. The more interesting question is whether the military should have imbeds? Warfare by its nature is messy. Do we want to publicize our occasional screw ups? I think the answer is yes. We need to paint as stark a contrast as possible between us and the rejectionism and nihilism of the Islamofascists. We should have MSM and al-Jazerra imbeds with every unit. Make people realize that the US military, while merciless towards our enemies is inherently merciful. When they see how infrequently events like this happen, people will realize that those who use schools and mosques as ammo dumps and behead innocent women have no place criticizing us.

Posted by: John at November 22, 2004 11:01 PM (4FKl1)

29 I still don't believe this issue is going to go the way Kevin sites and supporters are hoping. His attempt at trying the Marine in his (letter to the Marines) isn't going to go over to well. If high ranking Marine Officers want the loyality of the troops they had better show some back. Anyway, got to get ready. Leaving at midnight (one hour) to go tuna fishing off Venice, La. Back tomorrow evening. Sushi for the holidays. Going to have one empty place at the table. We have decided to set his spot and fill his plate anyway.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 22, 2004 11:06 PM (BFaxF)

30 Good point JOHN, I just don't buy it. Human nature thing. When you're hunting deer you have to think like a deer. His wants, needs and desires are different than ours. He perceives every thing in his world, not the hunter's. Once, I learned this there has always been venison in the freezer.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 22, 2004 11:13 PM (BFaxF)

31 NO MSM and especially NO Al-Jazeera reports. Tough shit to them! If they aren't part of the military then to hell with them. Even if we DID allow MSM and Al-Jazeera, they can twist the story to fit their agenda, regardless of the circumstances. May I remind you of the Babylon 5 episode "The Illusion of Truth."

Posted by: Macker at November 22, 2004 11:27 PM (wdK9T)

32 The enemy was NOT a prisoner. He was an apparently wounded enemy who made a suspicious move. A prisoner is someone who has been taken prisoner. Check the regs for taking prisoners. My knowledge is 54 years out of date, but I imagine it still requires a verification that the prisoner is unarmed and of no danger. Any reference to the enemy as a prisoner before the process has been completed is a lie, and in this case a scurvey lie. I am ashamed that this has come this far without having been thoroughly squelched. I am sorry not just because someone disagrees with me, I am sorry that my grandson, a Mud Marine still in Fallujah, just might get killed because of hesitation brought about by this crap.

Posted by: Walter E. Wallis at November 22, 2004 11:48 PM (7XPVo)

33 I'm with Salamander and Venon. You other guys really need to stop hyperventilating. Do you really, really want news custom designed by the government for your consumption? You don't need conspiracy theories to realize that CYA is the name of the game within the bureaucracy. Left to their own devices, they'll tell you exactly what they want to tell you, not what you want or need to know, necessarily. Site had a job, he represented a pool of networks. He did his job and the chips fell very badly, it seems. I'd much rather that than to get my news exclusively from the USMC PIO. That's not a slam against the USMC or the PIOs. It's that this kind of stuff has to be recorded and acknowledged. You guys come across as though you were scared shitless of democracy and a free media. I really expect better from you.

Posted by: John B at November 22, 2004 11:52 PM (OmbAg)

34 Wasn't it standard practice by all sides in WWII to summarily execute partisans? What has changed? Why wasn't this muj wasted at the very onset?

Posted by: MrGrumpyDrawers at November 23, 2004 01:07 AM (wVSJa)

35 Rusty Perhaps you would like Bush to set up a Ministry of Information which censors all information to be broadcast. In fact lets go one better and make it a crime to report anything remotely critical of the government or its actions. For that is what you are suggesting. Perhaps you might be better off living in China and head up such a ministry. Any infraction by a journalist could be dealt with by his immediate execution and would serve as a reminder to all and sundry that the state matters most. Perhaps also Rusty, that if you had all the facts and hadn't swallowed the official line, you might not be so vocal in your support for the war. But then again "if you're not with us on the GWOT, then you're against us" appealed to your sense of patriotism. I wonder how many people felt the same way in Germany in the 1930s, though the issue was not GWOT but rather the creation of a unified Germanic superstate. Would a German man or woman whom questioned Hitler's motives deserved a trial for treason? Me thinks not. The German journalists who filmed the pograms against the Jews, were they traitors? I would have expected something better than this rant.

Posted by: James at November 23, 2004 03:37 AM (4PPsx)

36 Are you really an academic? Your spelling and grammar are those of an 11-year-old Â– to say nothing of your grasp of international issues. I think you should drop the Â“DrÂ” if it is not a real qualification; it just makes you look ridiculous.

Posted by: England at November 23, 2004 03:59 AM (6M7nL)

37 Sites gives a perfectly reasoned explanation of his actions. He has done nothing wrong. In fact he has done the world a service in exposing the US forces as every bit as cruel as the 'insurgents'. Like the soldier who entered a mosque several thousand miles from his homeland and executed a wounded, unarmed old man, Sites was just doing his job.

Posted by: sandall at November 23, 2004 07:30 AM (mwXE8)

38 An experienced "photojournalist" such as Mr. Sites would have known well the effect of the release of his inflammatory "news" story on the troops and the Islamic crazies who have used it as a progaganda and recruiting tool. Mr. Sites is a self-serving, hypocritical and contemptible poseur who seeks to advance his career by villifying the courageous young men who are fighting our war. Kevin, "you go, girl".

Posted by: Beel at November 23, 2004 07:41 AM (HW5G5)

39 I dont think he was out to vilify anyone. Given that he was present at a live operation he would have had the support of the top brass and the powers that be. My views on the war are well known (anti) but I feel that the soldier was within his rights to shoot the inured man. Remember, propaganda is being used by both sides in this war and the only person being vilified is Mr Sites

Posted by: James at November 23, 2004 08:17 AM (4PPsx)

40 I believe we need to separate the question of whether non-military reporters should travel with our troops from whether, having made that decision, Kevin Sites acted responsibily with the film he had. It is undisputed that he offered to hold the film while the Marines responded to the events. At a minimum this is some evidence of good faith on his part. The fact that the instant culture we live in made it impossible for the Marines to accept this offer without subsequently facing charges of "cover-up" is not Kevin Sites fault, and should not be attributed to him. I question the wisdom of having embedded photographers. Print reporters may be different simply because words generally do not have the same visceral impact. But having made the decision to allow photographers, it is wrong to kill (or curse) the messenger when his message is one we do not like. There is a seperate problem with our media agreeing to feed images to media that is hostile to our troops through pooling arrangements, but that is an argument for another day. Teresa

Posted by: Teresa at November 23, 2004 08:19 AM (HNG0V)

41 I don't think anyone wants to throw the baby out with the bath water. This particular incident doesn't necessarily mean the whole embed program should be shelved. We just want there to be some common sense applied to what footage is released, and how. Sites is squirming, but his explanation is long on his own inner turmoil, and short on empathy toward the Marines. His initial "context", before the inner turmoil post, was "The man did not appear to be armed or threatening in any way." In his letter, he says "Something just didn't seem right about this one." He throws out a moderating comment, "I have seen the Marines act in a disciplined and professional manner..." which he intends to provide balance for his concern with the enemy wounded, and to highlight that this particular incident was an aberration. In this case, Sites mistakenly set his "journalistic principles", freedom of the press, the imperative to show the public the honest truths of war, ahead of one poor Marine's life. Sites hasn't filed a story on the torture chambers, Margaret Hassan, the blood soaked mattresses, the shackles and cages. He sees this one justified shooting as the worst transgression in Fallujah worthy of reporting? How can he not be trying to undermine what the military is doing prioritizing stories this way? To his defenders, how courageous he has been has nothing to do with this incident. How brave others would be in his shoes is irrelevant. The "hyperventilating" on these blogs has shined a bright light on MSM motives, and therefore has corrected some of the distortion attempted in Site's original report. Sites' letter is all about his own inner turmoil, which is not interesting, and omits any real answers.

Posted by: jordan at November 23, 2004 08:51 AM (7y04D)

42 As Teresa says: "There is a seperate problem with our media agreeing to feed images to media that is hostile to our troops through pooling arrangements, but that is an argument for another day." The best example is the reality that media as whole works with: "If it bleeds, it leads". The recent sports brawls that turn a stadium into a war zone could be used by anyone to discredid another, they dont go find the camera person and penalize them, they fine the participants.

Posted by: Salamander at November 23, 2004 09:04 AM (V40IZ)

43 Very good responses, all. I can't respond to each one individually, due to time constraints. Apologies to my many typos and such, the way I write these things I don't spellcheck and often overlook my errors--I suppose 'England' doesn't get that. Look, let me spell this out so as to clarify my position if it is not already clear: Yes, I do want censorship. Disagree with me if you will, but that is my position. I do not want censorship at home. What I want is for stories to be vetted before the facts and images are turned over to the MSM. Is this censorship? Yes, but it a long and slippery slope until you reach Chinese style censorship. What I'm asking is for all non-military reporters to be removed from the war zone. That's it. Would this turn the news into propaganda? Absolutely. But my goal is to win. Propaganda is a tool for winning. I value the life of American soldiers more than I value the right of a journalist to be anywhere he wishes. I would not 'censor' in the sense of telling reporters what to write and what not to write. That is a principle I am not willing to violate at this time. So how do we not step over that line yet still manage images coming out of war-zones? Again, the only way I can solve the dilema in my mind is to put the reporters on the battlefield in uniform. Oh, BTW, during WWII we had actual censorship. Not slippery slope type stuff many of you mention, but LITERAL CENSORSHIP. This is where official governmnet policy was to tell papers what they could and couldn't print. Were we fascist then? Were we 'just as bad' as the Nazis we were fighting? It's really a lame argument. During war, things change. Civil liberties are restricted. This is one of the reasons war tends to be a bad thing (on top of the whole killing thing). It's also one of the reasons why I have some sympathy for liberals who worry over what a never ending state of war would do on the state of civil liberties at home. If you do not think the trade off is worth it, then being anti-war is a legitimate position. I, on the other hand, think the trade off is worth it.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 23, 2004 11:02 AM (JQjhA)

44 Sites, looking through a viewfinder at a Marine was able to discern with peripheral vision that the enemy made no suspicious moves? With no evidence to the contrary he identified the enemy as harmless? This was a Michael Moore type lie.

Posted by: Walter E. Wallis at November 23, 2004 11:25 AM (7XPVo)

45 I'm really tired of the apparatchicks running the media, all the negativity and bias - the bile they pour out. War reporters are especially vile because they get a kick off the combat adrenaline and the violence - the whole sex-and-death thing - while enjoying the protection of the troops. It's so damn standard that it's in almost every freakin' war-reporter book/novel/story, from Hemingway to Caputo to "Jarhead" - and it has become the primary subtext of the media reportage itself. There's no impartiality or objectivity in the Guardian's pieces of propaganda, or in the alphabet-soup network's. They are hyenas who tear at the viscera and get blood on their snout, without partaking in the kill. "If it bleeds it leads," is a trite catchphrase, an excuse to continue feeding, and while feeding on the misery of others share the blame for enjoying the lowest common denominator, their fixation on a spectacle of blood. Simply being there, their existence within the situation, changes the equation of the situation to one of novelty - it's Heisenbergian, it's Schroedinger's cat - the observer has no specific neutrality, that is the biggest myth. There is no impartiality in journalism, objectivity is a myth and a blinder. Lenin and Stalin knew this, so did Mao, so did Goebbles. It's impossible to be impartial or objective. As to, "if you're not with us, then you're against us" and phrasing that with, "How many people felt the same way in Germany in the 1930s," - is an exercise in rhetoric. How about the non-parallel, "How many people felt the same way _in Britain_ in the 1930s," when the German attempt at Euro-Unification was seen in the skies of London for months, when the Sudetenland was taken the way Hussein took Kuwait in the first Gulf War, or "how the Poles felt," when Stalin halted his army outside Warsaw and let the Germans crush the rebellion - though they were Allies, the Communists did not come to save them. "US forces as every bit as cruel as the 'insurgents'" betrays an incredible non-objective bias, equivocating the beheading and butchering done by the Baathist holdouts, their torture chambers, their leaving a dismembered female torso in the street as a calling-card and shooting tied-up civilians in the head - none of which is even remotely similar to US forces' behaviors. I'm just really sick of the media, and the leftists who prefer their totalitarian regimes, "by any means necessary."

Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at November 23, 2004 11:26 AM (04TFv)

46 I've written a couple of posts on this subject and more on the legal issues that surround it. By law, American journalists are Citizens with all rights and responsibilities thereto. Most of the extra rights claimed by the Old Media are not rights, but privilidges that they abuse at risk. No court has ever upheld that so-called journalists have the right to claim any higher allegance than the law of the land, any more than they have held that claim for any religion, race, or previous country of origin. Yet, many journalists feel and teach that they do have a higher duty, a higher calling (part of media mythology) that transcends normal law and duties. It is also the reason many Old Media are transnationalists. FWIIW, I continue to feel that he put his own glory and politics ahead of the lives of our servicemen. In so doing, he is a traitor.

Posted by: Laughing Wolf at November 23, 2004 11:28 AM (UbyeU)

47 Rusty by saying "Yes, I do want censorship. Disagree with me if you will, but that is my position. I do not want censorship at home." Its the age old adage of whats wrong with our society "NIMBY", for a complete explanation just refer to George Carlin's view on that social view. Also were do you draw the line of the war over there and here, since there has been an effort by those powers that be to smudge the line between terrorism and Iraq. Then you could argue that a camera person filming a sea boarding gone wrong with an illegal kill taking place during the bording part of the war, do you then ban the tape saying "We can't allow that to be shown, it hurts our image and chance of winning the war!"? Do you prevent the footage of TSA personal stealing from the bagage they are searching against terrorists banned "We can't allow that to be shown, it hurts our image and chance of winning the war!"? Do you ban footage of police officers beating a suspect just because "We can't allow that to be shown, it hurts our image and chance of winning the war!"? If you agree with that then you dont have any different image for this country than what people lived under communism. There is a very fine line between a socialist society and a democracy, what makes the democratic society free is its willingness to hold its freedoms close to its heart and march forward rather than a close its borders, clamp down on the media and then end up with a society that believes: Go buy something, or the terrorists win!

Posted by: Salamander at November 23, 2004 01:35 PM (V40IZ)

48 Salamander can find fault with new born babies.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 23, 2004 02:50 PM (RluOl)

49 Hmmm, ya think he and Venom deserve each other?

Posted by: Laura at November 23, 2004 02:54 PM (ptOpl)

50 Damn that Keith in Nor Cal does his homework. Refreshing.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 23, 2004 03:03 PM (RluOl)

51 Keith Beginning a post with "I'm really sick and tired" is hardly inspiring. This is more of the "same old same old" blame the media bilge. You write with great authority as though you are the only person who knows, is ware and fully comprehends the real situation. Perhaps you would be so good as to let us know where you get your news from? Accusing people of rhetoric and posing nonsensical questions does little to enhance your argument. Similarly deriding the left and the media as totalitarian is pure bunkum. The right and Fox news have their own agendas and are by no means the purveyors of truth that you infer. Were it not for the media, none of us would be having this conversation or any other conversation for that matter on this blog. By all means disagree with their line, that is your privilege, but do not castigate there existence, for the world would be a gloomier place without them. Perhaps you would prefer not be informed of what is going on, but there are some of us who do want to know what is going on, other than what the government is telling us.

Posted by: James at November 24, 2004 05:06 AM (4PPsx)

52 When I said the statement "If it bleeds, it leads!" was to cover all media outlets. James good call.

Posted by: Salamander at November 24, 2004 07:59 AM (V40IZ)

53 Salamander Cheers dude, not often is it that I get a thumbs up. Regards

Posted by: James at November 24, 2004 08:26 AM (4PPsx)

54 Salamander, That's just more slippery slope. I identified a line, that's where I would draw it. I support censorship up to a point, period. War and peace are two different conditions under which different liberties are given preference. War is necessary to secure the highest liberty, the right to life. All other liberties are secondary to that one. Only after the right to life is secure can we even begin to discuss things such as speech, protest, dissent, etc. In a war zone, such as in Iraq, no rights can exist until the first right--life--is secure.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 24, 2004 11:15 AM (JQjhA)

55 Rusty you are 100% correct in saying "In a war zone, such as in Iraq, no rights can exist until the first right--life--is secure." That is the truism of all wars zones, but that's where it ends: the war zone. We did not try cameramen in the public domain when films showing the war in Vietnam came home, not even when every damn channel in this country showed North Vietnamese footage of the war. I believe the saddest moment in any country is when the troops come home and are mistreated, under no circumstance is that acceptable. How have we been keeping the overall support for the men and women in uniform, through record number of care packages, donations and public show of support? Showing what is really going on. In vietnam all this country head was evey night "today X soldiers died in Y region, Z number of enemy dead, T tonnes of bombs were dropped on enemy targets", then the footage shown was on either side of the spectrum of extremes: government stock footage with a slice of mom's apple pie or some foot loose camera team filming what had happened with it being totally out of context. We are winning the PR war hands down, you may stumble here and there but we are winning because we are telling the truth, something refreashing for once in a million years.

Posted by: Salamander at November 24, 2004 11:50 AM (F26eZ)

56 I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinski. Never! not one time. Above is an example of a liberal democrat leader telling the truth. So if we are telling the truth now. This would be an example of a __________????? leader telling the truth. ha! ha! ha!.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 24, 2004 12:55 PM (XioYD)

57 What were we arguing about? All's that I'm saying is, give war a chance. The Media isn't, when have they once shown support? Back during Vietnam the Media called the Tet Offensive as a big victory for the North, when it wasn't, it was a crushing defeat. We were winning - I didn't know it at the time, I found out by reading military historians. The Left is totalitarian because it prefers a statist, centralized approach, dominated by an impenetrable bureaucracy, like what's happening in the EU now. It's a fundamental characteristic of Socialism, of which Communism is the logical extreme extension. How about the EU regulations on the size and straightness of cucumbers and bananas? Isn't that a bit of centralized, authoritarian absurdity? My local Media outlets are a constant, delightful source of gloom and doom, spreading fear uncertainty and doubt in between titillating news about hugely overpaid sports-figures, celebrity media-figures, and murderers. Otherwise the navel-gazing is tremendous fun, a circus every night - and then there's Rathergate. The Media treat every bit of Chicken-Little blathering by the Environmentalist Cadre as Truth, when their science is just as filtered and biased. Kyoto Protocol? I find out some amazing things from blogs, connections to stories, none of which appear in "My Media" - I'm missing out on things I want to know about from them, so I rant here. I want to know more than what the Government tells me, and more than what the Media tells me, and I try to do my research with due diligence. And I am sick and tired of it, sorry that's not very inspiring. Give War a Chance.

Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at November 24, 2004 01:10 PM (04TFv)

58 Amen!

Posted by: greyrooster at November 24, 2004 07:49 PM (XioYD)

59 'First, traitors believe that they are acting in the best interests of their country' What?

Posted by: actus at November 25, 2004 12:52 PM (1312n)

60 'First, traitors believe that they are acting in the best interests of their country'' I ask this because intent to betray is an element of the crime of treason.

Posted by: actus at November 25, 2004 01:12 PM (1312n)

61 Some dingbat equates a cameraman filming a fist fight to war and it's realities. The filming of the fist fight will be settled with money. The filming of the shooting, right or wrong will give the ememy ammunition that will result in more deaths to our soldiers. You turkeys that take the oposite side on every issue intended to support and protect our troops should be over there. If you had the balls and thats a big IF. Kevin Sites and his followers/supporters have helped the enemy. But not as much as you think.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 26, 2004 07:58 AM (eLjJa)

62 ' Kevin Sites and his followers/supporters have helped the enemy.' Why would he want to do that? he's there with the soldiers and in almost as much danger. Certainly more than us, at the valiant 101'st keyboard brigade.

Posted by: actus at November 26, 2004 09:04 AM (1312n)

63 If Sites was fearful for his life, he wouldn't have gone there with camera in tow in the first place. He's lookin to get a journalism award a/k/a The Pulitzer Prize, he could care less about the troops.

Posted by: Laura at November 26, 2004 12:00 PM (ptOpl)

64 'If Sites was fearful for his life, he wouldn't have gone there with camera in tow in the first place.' You can be fearful and go there. You can go there and not do things that make it more dangerous for you to be there, due to fear.

Posted by: actus at November 26, 2004 02:50 PM (YxF4W)

65 Can I add a little rant here myself? First off, a good insurgent or a good terrorist is a dead one. I've seen that same parallel other places, too. (other wars) You see, the enemy can pretend but still have the ability to shoot and shoot the marine dead in his tracks and I am sick and tired of this guy making so much off one guy's death whose probably killed thousands. If I was that marine, I would have done the same thing; now ca we get off the subject? they do read us, you know? Cindy

Posted by: firstbrokenangel at November 28, 2004 08:19 AM (D39Vm)

66 Even Vladamir Putin said exactly that, Rusty, after the Bedlam incident or should I call it "Bedlamgate."

Posted by: firstbrokenangel at November 28, 2004 08:21 AM (D39Vm)

67 This character actus doesn't seem to know why reporters go places and report things. Christ!!! talk about head in the sand. The answer is PERSONAL GAIN. DINGBAT!

Posted by: greyrooster at December 02, 2004 06:22 AM (ydtpC)

68 Who is the traitor? The Marine who violated the trust his fellow soldiers put in him to live up to the code of Honour or the journalist who held the camera? I have seen the unedited version. The wounded iraqi did NOT pose any immediate danger. He was executed in what can only be a war crime, no more no less. Research shows it takes only 60 days of continued combat to strip a person of the moral and ethic boundaries of cilivian life. Therefore it is so much more cricical that US soldiers uphold the law and code of the Army. Otherwise you will end up like e.g. the Israeli army which increasingly is brutally subjugating the Palestinians through random violence. In your eagerness to win the "war" you allow yourself to believe that the end justifies the means. But I invite you to once in a while to study the standpoint of the opponent. I suggest visiting http://english.aljazeera.net to see how 25% of the global population views the US. But back to Kevin Sites: If you read his blog he clearly demonstrates his loyalty to the US, democracy and Western values. That his camera caught a war crime on film is not his fault. Thomas D I am a resident of Denmark in Europe, and as such I try to see both sides of the coin - you should try that too once in a while

Posted by: Thomas D at December 09, 2004 06:09 AM (6XR06)

69 I was there, right across the street on the day of the mosque shooting, it was half of my squad in the mosque with snipers, fuck all of u who disagree with what we did, we were getting shot at, my brothers were getting killed, we did our job and thats all there is to it, Fuck u if u think were wrong, u werent here, u dont understand. Cpl TYCKI USMC 3/1

Posted by: Tycki at December 10, 2004 12:20 PM (439Xx)

70 There are many thorny dangers in this argument. The basis of Mr. Sites after the fact justification of his actions is that The Marine had responsibility for that life that he ended once it presented no danger. The reality of the matter is that The Marine had no possible way of determining that potential danger. Add to that the fatigue, the stress and the recent history of losing friends to a booby trapped wounded insurgent not to mention getting shot himself: and you have a recipe for that death. Justifiably so. That piece of crap that is now dead (sans virgins)may have been videotaped at one of the beheadings. He may have in the future killed multiple boys from Ohio, Maine and Texas. Our problem is that we are uneasy with our moral superiority in this war. We lower ourselves to fight at the street level. We don't need to. It is our respect and deference for the sanctity of life that propels us to do so. Meanwhile we allow dirt bag glory hunters like Mike Moore and Kevin Sites to perform on site Al Queda recruting films in the midst of the deaths that wrench our hearts. As a surgeon with a millitary commitment looming, I wonder how many boys and girls I will attempt to save in the future that suffer and die as a result of the career advancement of these low lives. I also wonder if there is a shell or bullet out there with my name on it. Is there a young muslim fuck head lurking some where in his shit hole watching Kevin's video over and over again, driving himself into a religious ferver to kill uniformed and civilian americans. Will I be a statistic that did not need to happen? I hope not. Wake up you sleepy people. More people died 9/11 than at Pearl Harbor. The "Greatest Generation" was smart enough to wake the fuck up when fascism called. Are we? You must accept the fact that if the Osamas and his ilk gain a nuclear capability, then civilization ceases. There will be no more anything. While we bicker about the indignity of spankings administered at Abu Ghrahib, the terrorists behead and shoot any one that opposes them. Ruthless, like Hitler, is what they are. The scarey thing is that they only think about one front. The destruction of the US and Israel. Hitler was stupid enough to open up an eastern front with his attack of the Soviets. I fear that the Islamofascists are far smarter and more driven. Wake up Kevin. Wake up Michael. They want you dead too! Please stop recruiting for them. Doctor Bone

Posted by: Doctor Bone at December 10, 2004 08:13 PM (8UAfv)

71 Kevin Sites -- you are a low life rat for not telling the entire story about the Marines who got blown up in a similar scenario. Rot in hell! pete

Posted by: pete at December 15, 2004 07:53 PM (mguAl)

72 Kevin Sites -- you are a low life rat for not telling the entire story about the Marines who got blown up in a similar scenario. Rot in hell! pete

Posted by: pete at December 15, 2004 07:54 PM (mguAl)

73 I feel for Mr. Sites, a man without a county...but that's where it ends. He's looking over his shoulder. He's a marked man. God help him if he's still embedded. I agree with Tycki....I'm not there. I don't know the real story. I can't begin to imagine how they cope daily with the stresses imposed on these young men. These American soldiers are there to do one thing, and that is win. War is what it is, brutal, vicious and scarring. It is not a game.... Compassion is for the civilians and refugees, not those who kill. Whatever Mr. Sites' motive was in releasing the footage, he's certainly stirred up a shit storm of further resentment, suspicion and hatred towards the media. I believe he is a war junkie. He gets an adrenaline rush being in the thick of it, and being a journalist aspires to being honored by his peers. This may do it for him. Mr. Sites is a traitor to the Marines he entrusted his life to and they their reputation, he is a traitor to true journalism and he is a traitor to America. As for France, the next time the Huns have their jack boot on their neck I'll not send my son to defend their honor. They chose to sit this one out, and what goes around comes around. As for Mr. Sites he's an idiot with a camera, a smart man who does stupid things, and a traitor. Jens

Posted by: Jens at December 28, 2004 10:02 PM (Xi/UI)

74 FUCK HIM HE NEEDS TO BE PEELED FUCKIN RAT

Posted by: MROSO at January 03, 2005 01:17 AM (wl+Q/)

75 I am a former Marine and Vietnam vet. Without going into too much detail let me tell you about this piece of shit Sites. He is in Iraq to make a name for himself on others mis fortunes and mishaps, he is right there to make you think he is an "Earnie Pyle" and a friend and confedant just to get close to all of you (now comes the Mosque incident) then "KA BANG" without thought he jumps at a chance of "personal stardom" (which I pray each day has backfired for him the rest of his days). To justify this he tells you you don't understand Journalism (step in Dan Rather, Jane Fonda, and John Kerry). I won't continue with this as I hope everyone has learned a lesson regarding these "Journalists"

Posted by: John at January 26, 2005 09:14 AM (GyVow)

76 Sites is not an expert in war, given all of his experiences he is is still just a journalist. To be in Iraq and reporting all that he see's is a favor given to him. Through the rights, the marine he so quickly condemned he showed us all why it is so detrimental that war should not be reported on for the sake of our brothers and sisters safety. It is a slap in the face to the men and women who sacrificeed their bodies and souls to grant these rights to true journalistic patriots.

Posted by: jwolf at January 29, 2005 12:37 AM (Vgi7e)

77 I AM A FORMER MARINE OF THE THUNDERING THIRD IN WHICH I TOOK PART IN OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM 1 AS AN INFANTRY MARINE. I AM JUST GOING TO GET TO THE POINT! WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? I HOPE YOU ARE GLAD YOU GOT YOUR 15 MINUTES OF FAME. NO ONE EVEN CARES WHO YOU ARE ANYMORE. I FOLLOWED THE STORY AND I KNOW THE GUYS, AND YOU KNOW WHAT? KNOW ONE EVEN CARES WHO YOU ARE. ALL YOU DID WAS DRAG OUR BROTHERS THROUGHT THE DIRT. AFTER ALL THAT THEY WENT THROUGH TO KEEP YOU SAFE. YOU SPIT IN OUR FACES. HOW DARE YOU. YOU ARE NOT A JOURNALIST YOU ARE A TRAITOR. I HOPE YOU CAN SLEEP AT NIGHT KNOWING THAT YOU GOT YOUR NAME ON THE NEWS AT THE COST OF SOMEONE ELSES LIFE. WAY TO GO BF. CAN YOU HONESLTY TALK TO YOUR FRIENDS AND TELL THEM HOW GREAT YOU DID. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU MAKE ALL MARINES SICK.

Posted by: mike at February 04, 2005 01:48 AM (PtdDn)

78 You guys are absolutely hilarious. You're actually angry at the journalist for reporting an apparent war crime? Does the U.S. populace not have the right to know what is being done in its name? Perhaps you should direct your anger at the lowlife fool who murdered the wounded man, instead of the journalist who merely reported it. I am so glad I'm not a total jingoist ignorant fool like all of you appear to be.

Posted by: YouAreAllPathetic at February 04, 2005 09:31 PM (N/kcX)

79 Mike you are an idiot! he didn't do it to post his name on the news, you ignorant fool, he already has his name out, and yes there are people who care about him. I know him personally and he is a great guy and so is his family,and they don't deserve all of the threats they have been getting too. he doesn't deserve this treatment, He's just doing his job, just like you would do! he is great at what he does and that is right, you shouldn't be mad at HIM, Mike, along with all the other idiots, you should be mad at the guy who shot him! They knew that he was there recording and the reason he was there was because it is his job dumb fuck, to be a journalist,: a person who investigates and reports or edits news stories, not be a friend. It isn't his fault that this happened , it wasn't even planned, he didn't know that was going to happen.and no, he is not a traitor!

Posted by: i agree, you are all pathetic! at February 16, 2005 04:10 PM (pzEAu)

80 Hello, I live on the other side of the world in a small country called Australia. I read up on this issue as it prevailed some months ago, and it then of course, it went away. I think if anything Kevin defended that Marine too much in his report. You must have a very distorted sense of reality if think you are in a position capable of arousing controversy, for no apparant reason but to discredit your own intelligence, that is if you regard yourself as level headed, buddy you reap what you sew. i cannot believe that you state with sincerity that more people will die because of this footage. Men did die and that is the sole issue here, not the repercussions. The un-edited tape shows that the Marine rules of engagement were clearly broken, as the soldier fired a single round into a defenceless mans head and, might i ad, broken again the next day when the five wounded and un-armed men left in the mosque were shot by single M-16 rounds. These men were obviously executed by American soldiers as they lay there dying. Treason, being a crime that undermines the offender's government is a fitting charge for Kevin Sites in todays United States, as a war of the extremists prevails a man telling the truth obviously has no place in such a war as an imbedded journalist. You don't need military pool reporters just give Fox a call and they'll lick their fingers. "What is the point of journalism, are you some sought of communist who wants to direct media and minipulate what people think, the iron curtin fell years ago lets not retain censorship. My last point is that do you realy want marines like that representing your country and its integrity, what happend to hearts and minds, why do you think your will no longer trust an American, because you have wankers representing you. Anyway its not all that arousing writing letters to the mentally challenged, becuase you never seem to get a mentally healthy response By the way that tape was in no way in the context of journalism

Posted by: Nick at April 20, 2005 07:16 AM (kQ9Ha)

81 Kevin sites has shown us the fact. The fact that american soldiers ar trigger happy fags. I hate u guys for starting ww III. screw u all and we in europe al know how ignorant and tasteless bastards u ar.

Posted by: atesh at May 11, 2005 08:47 PM (QgGqK)

82 I can't believe that the original post here is from a supposedly educated person, a Dr at that?? A PhD in what? Dementology? And Americans wonder why they are simultaneously considered the most feared and ignorant nation on Earth? "I would not trust a neutral observer to ride around with the Marines carrying a gun. Why would we let one carry around a camera then? " And you claim to be from the greatest democracy on Earth? My only statement here is, that as an Australian, I am ashamed of our nations alliance and with the United States. A nation that is proving, yet again, that it is merely the brutish child of the International community. Most Australians oppose our nations involvemnt in this war, a mild consolation is that at least our fine troops act in a professional manner.

Posted by: Oz at May 11, 2005 10:07 PM (DJ4JR)

83 "John, I don't wish Sites' death--only his incarceration. Or, short of that, that he and all other reporters are 'un-embedded'." Perhaps you need to be acquainted with what happens to traitors. To call someone a traitor, especially another American who's job it is to tell other Americans (and people of the world) what is happening to their troops and the people they interact with, a traitor is to suggest they be put to death. Clearly you aren't interested in discourse with or about Kevin Sites but to brand him a traitor worthy of death (as is the punishment for such a crime) and to aggressively toss your opinion at others. So let's recap. You support the killing of a fellow American, ignore the importance of truth above national pride, encourage secrecy over morality, and consider your opinion more important than discourse and exchange of ideas. Y'know, that sounds like most dictators that have ever held power. In fact, the attitude you put forth seems to represent everything your country stands against. I wonder what kind of world we'd live in if you were in charge of America. Tyranny is a word that comes to mind.

Posted by: Paolo at June 10, 2005 10:18 AM (XNsMN)

84 A journalists answers to a higher authority than their country. They answer to the truth. Your view stinks of fascism. Remember Nixon? Maybe Woodward should have just dropped the story in the "interest of his country", huh? Too bad if you can't handle the truth because it flies in the face of your red, white and blue, US of A can do no wrong, blind-eye conservatism. Kevin should continue to offend your sheep-like sensibilities. It's people like him, who have a genuine jones for the truth, that give you and those like you, the opportunity to voice your opinions, however stupid they may be. Kick ass, Kevin. Just don't walk through the entire country of Iran again. Take a car.

Posted by: Bob H. at September 16, 2005 07:34 PM (QobkV)

85 Try using spellcheck. You'll sound more intelligent.

Posted by: AJS at September 21, 2005 04:15 PM (kgEK/)

86 hmm..this is quite interesting

Posted by: generic drugs at September 26, 2005 03:06 AM (wAgub)

87 uh...did it ever occur to the Marine not to commit such acts in the presence of a reporter with a rolling camera?? These embedded reporters move with their units. If the units want to commit acts unsupported by the Geneva Convention treaty, then maybe they should use their military tactics to avoid being caught by the guy with that big lens around his neck... Also, Sites did what not many glory hound journalists would ever think of doing. He went to the CO BEFORE releasing the footage and let him view it. If you're concerned about this tape, then blame that same military that had the camera AND tape in their hands...and then released it back to Sites...

Posted by: Nat Sherman at October 12, 2005 06:39 PM (75Pef)

88 Punjabababi GOooOOOOoood hahahahahahahahaha curry and rice mmmMMMmmmmm...

Posted by: Punjabi MC at October 16, 2005 11:28 AM (MBWSL)

89 I only hope Kevin goes back to Iraq with another Marine division as a reporter. It would serve him right. A bullet in his ba@@s would be too good for him.

Posted by: Bob at October 19, 2005 12:47 AM (sUMRs)

90 "Fallujah ranks up there with Iwo Jima, Inchon and Hue as one of the greatest triumphs of American arms, though you'd have a hard time discerning that from what you read in the newspapers." The ignorance of those who believe this is frightening.

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November 19, 2004

Kerry Susses His Problem

by Demosophist
According to John Kerry his problem in the 2004 election was a combination of bad media coverage from conservative sources, and the Bin Laden tape that "scared Americans," before he had a chance to unscare them. So, I guess he missed the whole 9/11 "let's roll" message, huh? Here we are sitting calmly and passively in our seats waiting for the "authorities" to work their protective magic, and the terrorists got us flustered. Damn the luck! more...

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1 I don't know, the endorsement from OBL probably lost him a good amount of votes, but ole cammel-player's treat against specific states probably made a lot of weak willed moderates and liberal third party folks vote for Kerry.

Posted by: Chase at November 20, 2004 12:59 AM (tx57c)

2 "before he had a chance to unscare them" The thought of kerry unscaring anyone is laughable at best. The only poeple he could unscare would be the terrorists themselves.

Posted by: Kari Holtz at November 20, 2004 06:09 AM (r+tvq)

3 Though I'm not a fan of GBW as a President 'cause of his Lack of knowledge of most of the things happening around, At least after the elections it's was not a surprise that he won.Kerry was goin on saying that he was the real Army guy which I would like to ask a question about. Does army leaders give in so easily(surrender) or go down figting.Well the night on the election didn't show Kerry go down fighting but surrendering quite cheaply which does not show any qualities of at least a commander in Chief. Frankly speaking he doesn't deserve a chance ( at least from an Indian perspective[purely economics]). BUT surely the VIDEO timing of OBL is quite debatable.We all were expecting "something" and Lo didn't it come? At least for our debate group we were right among ourselves.But whether that video might have made an impact is a question not even to be looked into.

Posted by: Roopesh at November 20, 2004 06:43 AM (q9wBH)

4 I just wanna see Kerry investigated for shooting an unarmed soldier in Nam. He got a Silver Star for that one. All our Marine got, was trouble.

Posted by: Laura at November 20, 2004 09:19 AM (ptOpl)

5 During the Debate Kerry made a statement that I can not believe I am the only one that caught it. He said, " Our troops lack what they need to fight the war, some parents are sending their kids supplies for their birthday..." Now what moron does he take us for. If a parent IS going to send supplies that they know their kids NEED they won't wait for a birthday.... I bout pissed myself when he made that petty comment.

Posted by: Andrea at November 20, 2004 09:23 AM (ywZa8)

6 Bin Laden right! Are you nuts lady. Go over there, tell bin Laden's boys your a democrat and want to be their friend. Make sure you leave a self addressed box to send you head back in. If Gore had been elected there wouldn't be a building over 40 stories left in the country. You lost quit crying.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 20, 2004 06:07 PM (ydtpC)

7 Caroline: And if any of you were actually listening to the OBL tape you would realize that he is right, and that Republicans are very detrimental to the relationship between the US and the Arab world. He's right that under our republican prez, more Arabs have been incited to join the Arab cause. He's about 25 years too late to popularize an "Arab cause." That was, in fact, Saddam's thing. (See Robert Kaplan's The Arabists). He's basically promoting a Qtubist cause, or a Salafist cause. This is really like a version of postmodernism mixed with fundamentalist Islam. And if he were even remotely close to being "right" he wouldn't have been reduced to sending ineffectual missives via video. He'd have killed a city or two. So basically Bin Laden is an abject failure who is still too much for John Kerry to handle. I think I agree with Andrea about the gift thing. If you felt your son or daughter were really missing a vital piece of equipment that could save their life I doubt that you'd be putting off purchases until the holidays. That new refrigerator or roof could just wait awhile. You do what it takes NOW to get your child home.

Posted by: Demosophist at November 20, 2004 08:47 PM (OtR16)

8 Kerry lost because he's a Lying, Rich, Do-Nothing Chickenshit, so all of you people who have that psychological problem called PEST . . . Go watch yer Michael Moore Movie one more time . . Then move to Canada! He lost because more people voted for Bush! Get over it fer Chrissake!

Posted by: large at November 21, 2004 10:50 AM (VRK2g)

9 Can't understand why some cannot accept that fact.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 22, 2004 05:52 PM (BFaxF)

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John McCain Lashes Out at al-Jazeera Over Mosque Shooting Video

A lot of conservatives hate John McCain. I've always believed there were two John McCain's: Smigel McCain and Gollum McCain. The Smigel McCain just wants to get along with his masters in the MSM. Smigel McCain brought us campaign finance reform. The Gollum McCain would just as soon kill master like as a sweet slimy fish. I like Gollum McCain. This is Gollum McCain:

Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain scolded an Arab television station for repeatedly airing video of a U.S. Marine killing an apparently unarmed man in Iraq but not film of a British hostage being killed by her kidnappers.
"Shame on al-Jazeera and shame on those people for doing what they did," McCain said in response to a question after a speech Thursday....
On whether the government should exercise more control over film and reports by media embedded with U.S. military units, McCain - a Navy pilot held prisoner for years in Vietnam - said he didn't know, but is "deeply, deeply troubled" by the incident.
"We don't know what events led up to it," he said. "All we saw was a flash picture."

UPDATE: Featured at the Politburo Diktat's Show Trial #23

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1 Smeagol, not Smigel. Just don't want you getting a lot of irate e-mails from Tolkien fans.

Posted by: Frank Villon at November 19, 2004 05:17 PM (4zhkH)

2 After Peter Jackson's slaying of the story, misspelling Smeagol's name is the least of us Tolkien fans' worries. Elves at Healm's Deep. Give me a break....

Posted by: Sharp as a Marble at November 19, 2004 05:25 PM (VxPRK)

3 That crazy McCain. He's such a maverick! Yeeehaw! *cracks a whip*

Posted by: Ricky V at November 19, 2004 06:01 PM (AHaCg)

4 I agree with McCaine, he is right. the Arabs don't mind letting that video air. But they didn't show this marine taking a shot to the face and watching his buddy explode in front of him just before this house cleaning. Its no easy job for even the most experienced combat vet to comb a village or home flushing out gooks willing to die for a screwed up blood thristy camel jocky head hunter. as an experienced Vietnam vet my finger would have squeezed that trigger on not only him but the other noloads in there to. A grenade would have been an ace in the hole to finish that job. Good job Marine!!!!

Posted by: sue at November 19, 2004 06:14 PM (rL0Tr)

5 Have embedded media and sometimes suffer the consequences.An average guy can make out whether a war crime was committed or not? Two sides we can think of: The marine ( or colleagues) feared that he might ve been faking or rigged with a bomb....Fear understood.Afterall he was an enemy.Who knows maybe he was too injured a youthansia was just performed.Chapter closed But The other side says if the reporter could see he was unharmed then the soldiers would've know better.Also why was the other person spared.Both were lying injured in the same place the day before.Since in the video showed that they were in no hurry they could have got some device or a sniffer dog to help.( well it's easier said than done I know). Bottomline: Less talk more action= less criticism!!!

Posted by: Roopesh at November 19, 2004 06:20 PM (PVMSi)

6 I've seen the "Marine Video" and I just want to say for the record that he absolutely did the right thing. To hell with Geneva Convention and "War Crimes"... that kind of thing can only hold water when both sides agree to abide by its rulings... but I digress. My first thought on seeing the video was, "Why the hell was this being recorded?" Basically, this kind of thing MUST have happened countless times in the past but the difference these days is that we are a media controlled world and every little itty bitty detail must be captured on film for all to see. I'm sure this kind of thing happened in every war ever known to man but this poor guy just happened to get a rush of blood to the head whilst delivering a rush of blood from the head to the scum on the ground whilst being recorded. You can't be too careful with these people. They will wave a white flag and then open fire as you lower your guns and accept their surrender, they will have explosives concealed about their person and they will shoot you in the back just when you think they're drawing their last. This marine was just making damn sure he and his colleagues didn't die of a sucker punch and if people find his actions at that moment barbaric, cowardly or whatever. Please consider the heroism he showed to still be standing at that point and put yourself in his shoes. Does he go running over to the guy to tend his wounds and get himself and his colleagues (video and all) blown through the ceiling? I think not. There's a saying, "If at first you don't succeed, try try and try again" and if you see your opponent somehow survived your first bullet, pump em with a few more, just to be sure.

Posted by: Red Devil at November 19, 2004 06:39 PM (4vO2O)

7 *after 5 minutes retyping all of his comment information for the 80,000th time Digger said:* I like Jawa McCain better. He talks so cuuutttee!

Posted by: Digger at November 19, 2004 06:46 PM (FYEx6)

8 Red Devil: My sentiments exactly. Too bad someone from the press can't bring up the fact that John Kerry got awarded a Silver Star for shooting down an enemy in Nam while chasing him around a hut, then catching up with him and killing him. Why ain't HE investigated? Fuck these reporters. Then want the brass ring and don't care who they step on to get it. They should be banned from war zones totally. Unless they want to pitch in and help our boys. And, you're right. Why the shit didn't the Marines tell the guy with the camera to scram? I hope the poor Marine gets something good out of this in the future...lots of interviews, maybe a movie, a book...fuck it, he may become a celebrity after it's all said and done. He deserves it.

Posted by: Laura at November 19, 2004 07:28 PM (ptOpl)

9 I understand and agree with the sentiments expressed here, but just to keep command of the moral high ground, let's remember one thing: This is NOT a case of "To Hell with the Geneva Convention!" Because, and please pay attention, THAT MARINE DID NOT VIOLATE THE GENEVA CONVENTION!!!! Thank you.

Posted by: Brian B at November 19, 2004 08:21 PM (CouWh)

10 The idea that the Al-Jezzera terrorist dirtbag cocksucker propaganda network can't bring itself, along with our own MSM, to show the killing of someone who tried to help them for 20 years, but will play the video of one of our own defending himself from yet another bullet to the face shouldn't surprise anyone. That brave Marine absolutely did the right thing. The tactic is make a dynamic moving entry, dump the chumps, and moveon.org to the next target. That kid should get a medal. Shoot those fuckers twice to make sure. All these idiots who think that the future of war is some bombs falling while we watch on TV are seriously stupid. There will always be a need to have legions of soldiers willing to meet the evil Satan's spawn cocksuckers who so deserve to be shot in the face twice. Good riddance to the dead faking asshole.

Posted by: David at November 19, 2004 09:53 PM (xfI1/)

11 Geneva convention......hahahahahah Thats like taking it to the UN and all the other oil for food sucking rassholes!

Posted by: Boy nammed sue at November 19, 2004 10:10 PM (rL0Tr)

12 Well, I don't know about Arab media, but I don't think there's been much US media spin on this. A little talk, but most of that has been about the Arab media spin. The bottom line here is that there just isn't much US media incentive to hype this story, thankfully, because they know George Bush isn't going to be re-elected. The whole point of all that Abu Ghraib hype was to defeat Bush at the polls, and since that's no longer on the agenda the American media just isn't very excited. That's very fortunate, not only for the military mission, but for that young marine. He may even get a fair trial.

Posted by: Demosophist at November 20, 2004 12:48 AM (OtR16)

13 Quote"the poor Marine gets something good out of this in the future...lots of interviews, maybe a movie, a book" as Laura said.He deserves it.But did he purposely earn it? Maybe the marine was too poor that "someone" might have suggested the secanrio in order to get "rich or famous". If a third person was involved it's bound to be spilt out in the coming months. Until then ( if proved guilty at least for the bloggers..)give the Marine a "break"

Posted by: Roopesh at November 20, 2004 06:22 AM (q9wBH)

14 "Terrorist dirtbag cocksucker propaganda" Hey, David, why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel!!! LMFAO!!!! That was great. ;-)

Posted by: Laura at November 20, 2004 09:21 AM (ptOpl)

15 People bemoan America's failure to adhere to the Geneva Conventions, which they hold "sacred". Can they think of any conflict in which America's adversaries were enthusiastic upholders of these conventions? The Japanese? The Koreans? The North Vietnamese? Do they notice any particular concern for "human rights" among the jihadis in Afghanistan or the Middle East? The convention applies so one-sidedly that adherence to it should be made contingent on a degree of reciprocity. They cite Abu Ghraib, which provides a useful source of anti-American hand-wringing, but in my view, is hardly significant compared with standard practice in most Arab jails. For those unlucky enough to be incarcerated in most of the Middle East, the human sex pyramid of Abu Ghraib would probably come as light relief. They should ask whether they would rather be a prisoner in Guantanamo Bay, or a humanitarian worker fallen into the hands of Islamic groups in Fallujah. liberal hypocrisy would not survive this test.

Posted by: Paul at November 20, 2004 09:28 AM (PM/BC)

16 I say when in doubt, SHOOT!!, he may have saved his own life, who knows how many have pulled the trick of laying there then ooooops fooled ya,,,,now your all blown to pieces...... This is a joke, look at the beheadings? where is Margaret's video? cowards will let this one drag on,,,,,,the media needs to be charged with war crimes themselves and for the disrespect they've shown for this country, our military and our president!!! put the damn beheadings on the news over and over,, stop cutting out the bad parts........they sure didn't for this marine, and what was the big deal? makes me sick

Posted by: madarmywife at November 20, 2004 01:19 PM (llyRQ)

17 RED DEVIL: What the Marine did is not against the Geneva Convention. He was an enemy combatant in civilan clothes. According to the Geneva Convention he is excluded from the normal rules of engagement. The day before when wounded (so called) he should have been shot. This is an important issue. Play by the rules or suffer the consequences. Enemy combatants out of uniform have always been subject to execution.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 20, 2004 06:25 PM (ydtpC)

18 BRIAN B: Bingo!

Posted by: greyrooster at November 20, 2004 06:33 PM (ydtpC)

19 I don't claim to know the Geneva Convention off by heart but I really only mentioned it because it was the only thing I could think of that could possibly be thrown in the Marine's face as some kind of "legal/moral" argument against his actions. Some people will just see a "defenseless" guy lying down and getting pumped full of bullets to the head and us Westerners automatically say, "Hey, that's not right to kick a man when he's down!". I was merely saying that in the case of these bastards, it is entirely "right" to kick him when he's down and to hell with what us Westerners may think. I was making the point that we are not fighting an enemy that adheres to Western-fight-etiquette. They can, will and have committed acts that make a mockery of the Geneva Convention. I've also noticed here in the UK, little more has been reported about the Marine in question and I'm glad about that. If he's been taken out of service then that isn't good. He's clearly the type of soldier this war needs.

Posted by: Red Devil at November 21, 2004 05:16 PM (+vlk+)

20 McCain is no different than any other politician, "Speaks with forked tongue!". Everyone speaks of him quite high and mighty when he makes that statement, but try to discount the issues when he works his utmost to undermine the US Armed Forces by canceling military programs left and right by using sunday morning talk shows. For those of you who will jump up and balyhoo about anything its specifically the F-22 and F-35 programs. Also go research what happened to our Air Force boys and girls when they were competing against the Indian AF during excercises in the F-15's, and F-18's as McCain called the aircraft the best technology we had and that we didnt need new and advanced fighters.

Posted by: Salamander at November 22, 2004 12:07 PM (F26eZ)

21 Salamander can find fault with baseball and apple pie.

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November 16, 2004

Iran and the Clash of Civilizations

Bill at INDC has an excellent analysis of the threat that is Iran. I agree, Iran declared war on the US 25 years ago. The problem with treating Iran like any other nation-state is that to do so assumes that rational actors are in control. The mad mullahs of Iran are clearly not rational. The people of Iran have tasted the bitter fruits of their Islamist utopianism. Let's only hope the Persian people can take back the reigns of government before the Mullahs take that nation to the brink of nuclera armegeddon.

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1 The people brought the mullahs by their own hand and can only take them down by their OWN hand ... not some Angola style botched abortion run by over zealous spook's. Its time we kept our noses out of other countries and rebuilt our own: Cripped health care, failing social services, porous borders. Its time we the people put the "not the people" washington inhabiting creatures in line to tow their end of the line and work FOR THE PEOPLE and not OFF THE PEOPLE!

Posted by: Salamander at November 16, 2004 05:19 PM (F26eZ)

2 Oh please. That's a load of bull. The US declared war on the Iranian people well before any of this when they blatantly supported a murderous and corrupt Shaw. It's so typical of American bullshit to assume that you're just the innocent little victim. The above comments are right, keep your nose out of other people's business, and your stupidity won't get you into trouble.

Posted by: d at November 17, 2004 02:07 PM (pbI+T)

3 Better a murderous Shah who was forward looking, secular, and a lot less murderous than all the other regimes in the region than the jihadi theocracy that murders by the thousands and exports it's irrational zealotry and support of terrorism around the world.

Posted by: Rusty at November 17, 2004 02:37 PM (JQjhA)

4 "a murderous Shah who was forward looking, secular, and a lot less muderous..." ...wait, are you talking about the Shah or Saddam? Sounds eerily familiar. You're arguing after the fact. The person the Americans actually fucked over for the Shah (because he was giving them easy access to Iranian oil) was supported by the Iranian people and was in fact not murderous, secular, and very forward looking. You think they took over the American embassy for fun? What lead them down the road to islamic fundamentalism, what started it? Your nose in their business fucking it up. Same for Saddam. Who funded saddam in the 80's to fight Iran, and thus creating their own worst nightmare? The idiot americans. Who funded the mujahadeen and gave directly to osama to fight the russians in afghanistan and again created their worst nightmare. stupid americans. Again, typical american stupidity.

Posted by: d at November 17, 2004 02:52 PM (pbI+T)

5 Thats was good ... I mean very bad! Somewhere I did here it said the truth hurts.

Posted by: Salamander at November 17, 2004 03:27 PM (D4mP3)

6 Anyone who believes Iran is better off being run by Fanatical religious zealots than by the Shaw is sick. Little dog syndrone?

Posted by: greyrooster at November 18, 2004 08:13 AM (ZqKhy)

7 Crippled health care my ass. Just democratic retoric. I don't know about where you live but where I live no one is turned down for medical care. Even if they could afford it but decided to spend their money on beer. Failing social services my ass. More democratic retoric. Half community I live in is on the dole in one way or another. It is so rampant that teen aged unwed girls are having babies just to get on welfare. You're not totally wrong. Neither are you totally right. Have a solution for this? I'm going to tell you about Gilbert and Marilyn who live about a 1 1/2 miles from me. Gibert and Marilyn are not married. They have 4 children ages 18 to 30. 3 boys, 1 girl. Gilbert is a diesel mechanic and owns his own mobile truck. He claims to make in access of $1000.00 per week. He usually leaves for work about 9:00 AM and returns between 3 and 4 PM. 5 days only. Rainy days he doesn't work at all. I know this because he drives past my farm on his way. Gilbert's daughter lives in a Getto somewhere in New Orleans. Gilbert brags that he hasn't filed an income tax form, state or federal in years. He teach's his boys that all cops, judges etc: are crooks. All 3 of his boys are now in prison. Cost to taxpayer $30,000 ea. per year. They will no doubt spend the majority of their lives in prison. His daughter has 4 kids she lives on welfare. All his chilren were born at Charity hospital and payed for by the tax payers. Gilbert doesn't pay for his own insurance. Gilbert hurt his leg last year. Since he doesn't have insurance guess who payed. He drinks a case of beer every evening. Double on weekends. Gilbert has a new boat and motor. 4 cars, a dump truck, 2- 4 wheelers, a back hoe and house boat. All surrounded by beer cans I might add. I figure this one individual costs the tax payers $200,000 per year, every year. And I'm not even counting the cost of trials and insurance claims his boys cost. SALAMANDER: I'm not going to worry about social services and health care until the system gets rid of the Gilbert's. We are too loose on who gets into it. This is liberal democratic policy. Health care and social services should be for those truly in need. Figure a system that will eleminate the frauds and I will get on your bandwagon. Ever been in line at a supermarket and seen a person separate their beer, wine and cigarettes from their rib-eye steaks? I have. They must pay for the cigarettes, beer and wine in cash. The rib-eyes they use their food stamps. Many successful people may be uncaring and greedy. However, so are the so-called poor. This social services, health care bandwagon you're on just don't fit without getting rid of the cheats. The threat from middle east fanatical religious terrorists is real and we must deal with it. The treat from health care/social services frauds are real and we must deal with it. The question is which one should be taken care of 1st? Until the liberal democratic welfare types admit to the need to rid the system of welfare/health care/social services fraud. I'll say take care of the terrorists 1st.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 18, 2004 09:16 AM (ZqKhy)

8 Good God greyrooster. Next time please run your stuff through a spellcheck! Shaw = SHAH. make in access = make in EXCESS! d: If we funded Saddam...then where the fuck they get their goddamned weaponry? Do we make T-54s, and Mirage jets? and AK-47s? HELL NO! Wake your fucking ass up and study your fucking HISTORY! Saddam's arms came from the CCCP and FRANCE! Small wonder why Saddam returned the favor in UNSCAM? Rusty: Please excuse my French! These little upstart bastards piss me off!

Posted by: Macker at November 21, 2004 12:28 AM (pwS0P)

9 "You're arguing after the fact. The person the Americans actually fucked over for the Shah (because he was giving them easy access to Iranian oil) was supported by the Iranian people and was in fact not murderous, secular, and very forward looking. You think they took over the American embassy for fun? What lead them down the road to islamic fundamentalism, what started it? Your nose in their business fucking it up. Same for Saddam. Who funded saddam in the 80's to fight Iran, and thus creating their own worst nightmare? The idiot americans. Who funded the mujahadeen and gave directly to osama to fight the russians in afghanistan and again created their worst nightmare. stupid americans. Again, typical american stupidity." --> American stupidity....Yawwnnn. It's always America's fault -- what an old, tired and trite remark. Your logic -- if you want to call it that -- it so full of tautology that you needn't bother to shoot off your mouth further. The US served it needs at the time -- simply because we were involved in the Cold War against the Russians. Recall, Einstein, that the US also allied itself with Stalin during WW II...Stalin is arguably the most ruthless man (along with Hitler) to ever rule -- killing millions and curbing the civil rights and liberties of hundreds of millions more. But, when it was prudent, the US and Soviet troops fought on the same side. Guess you'd blame FDR for the rise of Soviet Communism/Iron Curtain, etc... What served in the US interest in the 70s and 80s doesn't entitle Muslims to do whatever it is they like, nor does it curb the US authority to crush Islam wherever it makes noise. Islam is no better than Nazism or communism -- both of which the US had a major role in containing and eradicating. Regarding Iran, the Shah and his relations with the US doesn't excuse taking an embassy on behalf of a country (by a bunch of lunatic students) -- tantamount to invading a country. If Jimmy Carter had had one shred of sense, Iran would have been decimated -- for the better of the world. Meanwhile, I expect that to eventually happen. Iran cannot and should not be trusted. If Iran has the right to develop nukes, the US has a right to eradicate that God-foresaken land. We needn't loose one man -- just give'em a dose of nuclear medicine -- a technology they so badly desire.

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Zarqawi Website Shut Down For Good!!

Several websites linked to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi have been shut down by the Texas based company that hosted them. Hosting Anime has shut down all terrorist related sites on their servers. Apparently the new owners are less tolerant of pro-al Qaeda sites that justify the beheadings of hostages. I have one word for them: itsaboutfreakingtimeyouamoralterroristsupportingscumbags!!

Correction-Hosting Anime is not a Texas based company. The physical servers they leased belonged to EV1, a Texas based company. Thanks to Chad who brought this to my attention.

The website had been previously hacked on several occasions by a group calling itself Teamz USA. The story was first reported here (and then ripped off by MSNBC) and a second hacking was reported by Chad Evans (also ripped by MSM). Might I just add that a certain Star Wars themed website gave out the URL for Zarqawi to well over a hundred people promising to take down the site again....Perhaps the new owners just got sick of all the hackers?

Below is an image I captured from one of Zarqawi's websites. The same message can be found at other terrorist websites previously hosted by Hosting Anime. Click to enlarge.

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November 15, 2004

US Troops in Iraq, "America, F**k Yeah!"

I knew there was a reason I think the funniest movie ever made is Team America: World Police. Thanks to Flea for e-mailing me this news:

The soldiers shared laughs during the more surreal moments, such as when a psychological-operations truck rolled through the city blaring the theme song to the movie "Team America: World Police." In the film, Rambo-like puppets hunt terrorists and blow up the Eiffel Tower in the process. There is no need to thank us, the puppets tell outraged Parisians.
Later that night, 500-pound bombs fell on Fallujah.

Tim Blair adds, "Surreal? It's perfect."

Frank J agrees with me.

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No Blood for Ivory / France Invasion Compared to Soviets

Incidentally, I'm agnostic on France's illegal invasion of the Ivory Coast. I'm just wondering when International ANSWER will show up at the French embassy to protest?Reuters:

Ivory Coast President Laurent Gbagbo accused France on Monday of backing his rebel opponents and compared its military behaviour in his country to the 1968 Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia....
"Using the death of its soldiers at Bouake as a pretext, France has destroyed our absolute security," Gbagbo said, referring to the fighter jets he said had been bombing rebel positions and had brought his forces within a day of retaking the rebel stronghold of Bouake.
"Objectively, it has taken the rebels' side," he said.
Asked about Chirac's warning about the danger of leadership emerging in Abidjan with fascist tendencies, Gbagbo recalled that the French president had supported the single party that ruled Ivory Coast for 40 years.
"What could be closer to fascism than a single party? We were in prison under the single party supported by France. This is an insult," he said.
Gbagbo said French troops were now less visible on the streets in Ivory Coast but added that their deployment after the air raid that killed the French peacekeepers was intolerable.
"It was like the invasion of Prague in 1968," he said.

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1 Do we know the relationship between the French troops and the UN peacekeeping force? I'm confused.

Posted by: Jane at November 15, 2004 09:07 AM (+7VNs)

2 Found it: As part of a combined French-U.N. peacekeeping force, Paris has more than 4,500 troops in CÃƒÂ´te d'Ivoire, where a civil war has partitioned the territory into a government-held south and a rebel-held north. The U.N. Operation in CÃƒÂ´te d'Ivoire (UNOCI), created by the U.N. Security Council in April 2004, has a military strength of over 6,000 peacekeepers. But in an unusual arrangement, French troops have the right to act alone and do not come under the military authority of UNOCI. The two forces are mandated to monitor a May 2003 cease-fire and peace agreement that was signed by the rebel forces and the government of President Laurent Gbagbo.

Posted by: Jane at November 15, 2004 09:56 AM (+7VNs)

3 The frogs are starting trouble again. Just like they did in Viet Nam and Algeria. They will run and leave the mess for others. FROGS GO HOME! NO BLOOD FOR COCOA!

Posted by: greyrooster at November 15, 2004 10:28 AM (aavE0)

4 Jane: Ref, Quote WHATS FRENCH / UN RELATIONSHIP ? Yeah, youve got me there. Well whatever it is it sure aint Kosha or Halal and if theres any recieving to be done you can bet the French will be doing it. Surrendering up their asses for a good old UN pummeling

Posted by: wekno at November 15, 2004 11:12 AM (u4yGw)

5 Im so sorry. I let impulse get the better of me. Im realy not all bad.You see I just hate those Anti American know it all Gaulist surrender Monkeys. surrender Monkeys

Posted by: wekno at November 15, 2004 11:19 AM (u4yGw)

6 Can you believe those Frogs actualy wanted to call Algeria Southern France, until the Algerian liberation kicked their sorry asses all the way back to Paris, just cant put up a fight,all they do is moan and harp on about the U.S. this and the U.S. that,always belly aching about something.

Posted by: wekno at November 15, 2004 11:27 AM (u4yGw)

7 Wako Wekno son of a fucking bitch piece of rotten shit. Here you are again criticising the french. Dude, I've finally figured you out! You went to France in the hope to finally find a lady that would accept your uglyness and help you to loose your virginity. But that hasn't happened and now look at you all pissed off. My friend, don't worry, you still have your two hands. Two fingers for your tiny little cock and 5 up your big fat asshole, lovin' it aint you? Have fun dude. And don't choke next time you suck my cock lil' slut

Posted by: federico at November 15, 2004 08:23 PM (dNXmc)

8 Rusty: Federico?

Posted by: greyrooster at November 15, 2004 11:29 PM (iWXp3)

9 OCIRREDEF SI YTSUR (DUDE)!

Posted by: wekno at November 16, 2004 08:33 AM (fYqXD)

10 October 17th: The day in 1961 that the French police killed more than 200 Arabs in an around Paris. They beat them to death in police stations. Strangled them to death in police courtyards. Shot them in the streets and threw the bodies into the river. None were armed. Then the French rounded up over 10,000 Arabs and jailed them. They deported without trial 100's who they thought may be demonstrators against the selective curfew imposed on arabs only. Many of the french police were recognized as being the same ones who years before rounded up the Jews for deportation to Nazi death camps. The chief of police in Paris in 1961 was later found to be a Nazi collaborator. NOW THE PRINCE OF FROGS, CHIRAC SAYS AMERICA MISTREATS ARAB PRISONERS. DID THE NASTY FRENCH START THIS WHOLE ISLAMIC TERRORIST THING BY THEIR PASSED BEHAVIOR? LIKE THEY STARTED THE VIET NAM THING. NOW THE IVORY COAST THING. START SHIT AND RUN. THE FRENCH WAY.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 16, 2004 08:52 AM (UkXdy)

11 human = human human+human = war war+war= -human warX=-human/warY XYWar= no solution.

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12 CHIRAK IS A WHORE BIATCH SO ARE ALL THE DIRTY FRENCH! I HATE U FRENCH HYPOCRITES, LIARS AND STUPIDO WHOES

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November 13, 2004

Kenneth Bigley Memorial Service Held

Kennethh Bigley was memorialized today in a service held in Liverpool. Bigley was murdered by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the man who is arguabley the most dangerous terrorist in the world. Rest in Peace Mr. Bigley. It is my belief that we honor your memory best by hunting down those resposible, and killing them like the dogs they are.

(Pictured right: An image of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and followers shortly before they murder Kenneth Bigley)

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1 God bless the old guy. He truly suffered all those days in captivity. May he rest in peace, along with Armstrong, Hensley and the others.

Posted by: Laura at November 13, 2004 01:32 PM (ptOpl)

2 PS OMG! I did NOT know that Bigley's body was never recovered!!!! They cannot even have closure, the poor family!

Posted by: Laura at November 13, 2004 01:35 PM (ptOpl)

3 I'll second Rusty and Laura's statements.

Posted by: Dick at November 13, 2004 01:35 PM (hu9UN)

4 I you need someone with experience killing bad guys I offer myself. But you have to bring em to me as Im a little too old to run in the bush anymore. BTW no trials! Kill em on sight. Rod Stanton Cerritos

Posted by: Rod Stanton at November 13, 2004 02:19 PM (a2hGw)

5 Prayers for the family.

Posted by: Jane at November 13, 2004 04:52 PM (6krEN)

6 Rusty, is there not a smiling image of Mr. Bigley to remember him by, other than the horrific last photos? Would be a nice rememberance, anyway.

Posted by: Laura at November 13, 2004 05:43 PM (ptOpl)

7 We must understand that according to several contributors (if you care to call them that, I don't) Islam is a religion of PEACE.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 13, 2004 06:19 PM (fuCxf)

8 I see that US troops say all of Fallujah has been taken. If this is the case, where the FUCK is Zarqawi and his cohorts???? They formerly said that they were holed up somewhere in the part that the US hadn't occupied, but since this latest news, they must've have fled...I bet they were gone before the elections were over!

Posted by: Laura at November 13, 2004 06:43 PM (ptOpl)

9 Our Ken is gone now. If it were'nt Ken it may be another 3000 or maybe 300,000 next. Sitting on our hands would not have stopped the next 911. Fallujah was a set up. The enemy were stupid enough to congregate too many in one place and were led to do so for good reason. Zarqawi will be found, dead or alive.

Posted by: qpr jon at November 14, 2004 05:07 AM (CYlYP)

10 qpr jon: You hit the nail on the head. So far we've got over 1200 of them. I honestly think it's downhill from now on.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 14, 2004 08:57 AM (gRK3v)

11 We certainly did get a lot of them. If Bush hadn't invaded Iraq, wonder what Zarqawi and others would have used as an excuse or where they would've ended up?

Posted by: Laura at November 14, 2004 09:25 AM (ptOpl)

12 What conclusions? What every1 feared is becoming true.Falluja is proving to be a disaster.Just imagine Falluja assault was initiated simultaneous attacks have started off in Ramadi and Mosul!!! .The brains of the insurgencies had already run off from Faluuja and only the "Stupid" Jihadi foriegn figters have stayed back and smoked out by the US. This is just going worse.Just imagine a US base in Mosul being looted is last thing to want any1 to hear when their talking about the success of Falluja. Look at the casulaties also last 5 days 50 US soldiers killed. Realities of Urban warfare. A lesson still to be learnt. All deaths going in vain due to "again" poor intelligence.

Posted by: Roopesh at November 14, 2004 10:52 AM (q9wBH)

13 To think that the taking of Falujah is going to be anywhere near the end of things might be foolhardy at this stage.My original impression is that it was a mistake to publicise military intentions.The higher ups of the Tawhid and Jihad groups had probably already left for Mosul and other rebel towns to regroup and consolidate their forces before the initial assault on Falujah took place.What we cannot afford to do is get comfortable.We need our forces to get on the road with these guys and keep with it,tracking these scumbags night and day until they are so worn out from running that they either give up the ghost or get neutralised!

Posted by: wekno at November 14, 2004 01:29 PM (3wgEl)

14 Lastest news reports 24 American soldiers killed in the Fallujah cleanup. Over 1200 terorists killed. That's 50 to one in urban warfare. 50 to one and they have had months to dig in. No wonder they take innocent unarmed hostages. They fight like little girls. Scott finally called after 8 days. All is well. He hasn't lost a man. Bless the Marine Corps.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 14, 2004 02:37 PM (PYLjW)

15 Greyrooster..ur update is not right.Latest official is 33 Killed.But if Al Anbar province is included it counts to near 50 .Also this 1200 killed is just a assuption.No official count has been taken.Hopefully only the bad guys were killed.I just Hope but hte videos showing the US campaign does not promise though.

Posted by: Roopesh at November 14, 2004 03:47 PM (1K6Wj)

16 I seriously doubt that we will ever again have the opportunity to kill over 1200 of them in one place again. Even if they are dumb enough (and they are) to congregate in one area again, I'm quite sure the liberal America hating bloggers will advise them against it. We killed a lot of their idiot zealot soldiers. Their leadership of course abandoned them. Our politicians should be hammering on this issue. Zarqawi is too cowardly to fight. He is only good for cutting the heads off innocent people that are tied and held by others. The Zarqawis of the world are nothing without others to do the fighting.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 14, 2004 03:54 PM (PYLjW)

17 ROOPESH: 50 is the number of little girls slaughtered in India this month just because they are little girls and not little boys. Shouldn't you be caring about what happens in your country instead of America. No one on this blog sticks their noses in India's business. Do not stick yours in ours. JUST ANOTHER WANNABE.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 14, 2004 04:10 PM (PYLjW)

18 Rooster: I heard 32 troops of ours. But, yes, lots of insurgents, yet no Zarqawi, damn it. Guess they knew we were coming.

Posted by: Laura at November 14, 2004 04:22 PM (ptOpl)

19 Did I miss something? What was the "big announcement" that the Swiftvets were supposed to make at that DC rally?

Posted by: Laura at November 14, 2004 06:41 PM (ptOpl)

20 Does this guy Zarqawi even exist? Funny how people will buy any propaganda fed to them by the government.

Posted by: bvxcmn at November 14, 2004 07:23 PM (tPtF4)

21 Laura: No one expected to catch Zarqawi in Fallujah. It was pretty much a given that he would leave before the battle started.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 14, 2004 08:24 PM (QpTZy)

22 one of the best consolations we can take from Fallujah is that the Terrorists had to listen to some serious PsyOps: America! F**K YEAH!

Posted by: Editor at November 14, 2004 10:06 PM (uurD1)

23 byxcmn: You'd better get that phone, I think it is Art Bell, he wants you to guest host Coast-toCoast. greyrooster: Glad to hear he is doing well, and that his Marines have fared well. Roopesh: Even if the total were 50, you do realize how incredibly good that is right? Have you ever had any close quarters battle training? Ever studied small unit tactics in an urban environment? No? Our guys have, that's why our casualties are so low and theirs are so high. Of couse the insurgents are kicking up dust elsewhere, but 1200 of them are now kicking up dust in hell, shortly after discovering God is Jewish. Laura: I would opine that, while I would certainly like his family to retain fond memories of Mr Bigley, it is more valuable for the rest of the world to remember him just that way. It is valuable precisley because it makes us uncomfortable, and because we don't want to, and because it hurts us, enrages us, and sickens us. We shouldn't forget that Mr. Bigley deserves at least that much, and the one thing he didn't deserve was to be killed like livestock by sub-human thugs in some dusty basement in Iraq for the sole crime of being non-Muslim. Brian Holbrook www.goldfalcon.org

Posted by: GoldFalcon at November 15, 2004 02:11 AM (T9be8)

24 Just got an email from the cousin of a friend serving with special forces,Quote: ''lots of hand to hand shit when up close,air support is hitting these ragheads from so far off theyre smoked before they can even think of surrendering,I cant here shit for the air support guys.Note we are not taking any prisoners,anyone walking towards me white flag,hands in the air or what have you,is dead fucking meat,sorry guys you had your chance to get out of town,if your still here you aint up to no good,I cant get over how fast these motherfucking ragheads can run at the sound of return of fire ''!!!

Posted by: wekno at November 15, 2004 04:55 AM (OUdG0)

25 No prisoners should be the call of the day. ISLAMOFACISTS don't take prisoners. Taking prisoners, sending them to Cuba and later releasing them to fight another day is plain (as the liberals would say ignorant). Better to spend the money the ones that wish to act civilized. Go Marines, get some.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 15, 2004 05:51 AM (aavE0)

26 QUOTES: of the day. Roopesh: Fallujah is proving to be a disaster. Rest of world: Fallujah is no longer a viable terrorist stronghold. This jerk uses the phase poor intelligence. You want poor intelligence? Look in mirror.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 15, 2004 06:10 AM (aavE0)

27 I cant believe it!I'm sat there driving my car when some pastor something or other comes on the radio and actualy says our troops must be restrained in our acts to repel the insurgents.It is not beneficial in the long run, we want to defeat the bad, not annihilate them, and in time replace them with the good people of Iraq.They are human' beings too after all. Yeah fucking right pops! He goes on to say'How can we ever expect to win the peace afterwards if we are not seen to be acting in accordance with the rules of engagement now.There must not be seen U.S. Marines jubilating at victory,after the awefull scenes at Abu Ghraib when terrible shame was brought to the flag,we must now make extenuous efforts to be seen to be doing the right thing in the eyes of the world, especialy the moslem world.Yeah,I think were doing the right thing pops ,only you wont find an explanation of it in the political correcter type persons code of conduct survival in the real fucking world manual! Jesus christ give me a fucking break!!!

Posted by: wekno at November 15, 2004 06:34 AM (OUdG0)

28 Then the same preachers think nothing about talking some poor sick idiot into bombing a abortion clinic.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 15, 2004 06:48 AM (aavE0)

29 What I'd realy like to know is ! - IF THERE REALY ARE ANY GOOD PEOPLE IN IRAQ WOULD YOU MIND TELLING US JUST EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE SITUATED FOR CHRISTSAKES! AND HOW WERE SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHO ARE THE GOOD GUYS AND WHO ARE THE BAD GUYS. CAUSE THEY ALL LOOK LIKE A LOT OF FUCKING RAGHEADS TO ME!

Posted by: wekno at November 15, 2004 06:52 AM (OUdG0)

30 QUOTE OF THE DAY! The injured combatants from all sides of the former Yugoslavian conflict were given medical aid in a war zone. Are we realy saying,that we from the so called civilised world,Americans in the year 2004 after 2,000 plus years of civilisation, are not prepared under any circumstances to attend to the immediate medical needs of the injured and dying of the enemy in Iraq? YES I GUESS SO YOU DUMB FUCK! EAT SHIT YOU RAGHEAD LOVING LEFTY KERRY LIBERALITES!

Posted by: wekno at November 15, 2004 07:29 AM (OUdG0)

31 Roost: Glad your son is okay. Godspeed. To the ass with the consonant moniker, it's too confusing to type here, although someone else has: FUCK OFF. Propanganda my ass! You don't think Zarqawi is real? Yeah, he's a figment of everyone's imagination, just like Santa Claus and the tooth fairy. Put a towel on and join the insurgents (if there's any of 'em left).

Posted by: Laura at November 15, 2004 08:16 AM (ptOpl)

32 QUOTES: of the day."This jerk uses the phase poor intelligence" The reason why I mentioned poor intelligence is that the every1 knew that giving a beforehand warning that the city was to be attacked would've certainly driven away the "main" goons atleast( not the stupid Jihadis) .But have you ever heard any news anywhere that any top ( or atleast 2nd or 3rd in command... ) person being captured fleeing from the city.The whole city was encirlced and under surveillance But No. Also even before the war has been completed ( at least the City retaken) announcements are already made that the so called "Zarqawi" has escaped.Pathetic is not the word.Who told? what proof? A recent news mentioned that 22 bodies were found in house.Among them was a person who has artifiical leg(does that ring any bells),but hell no he has defintely left the city=concluded. They should have immedialtely proclaimed that he was killed. This would have broken off the Zarqawi network at least for some time period or at least the time they would had a chance to regroup which would have proved very vital for the army.But NO. Now Other cities have started to fall off.You mean to say the HUB has been broken to again simliar HUBS??? The third largest city was left unattended just justifies my statement of the still persisting "poor" intelligico factor. If they calim their intelligence is credible then there must be a serious BUG for sure within it and still they yet to crack it. I'm not trying to gain a bigger point by saying that the intelligence is poor but the fact still remains and is yet to be ACKed. Also Grey rooster..we ain't talking about internal state affairs regarding your earlier point about what's happening in India.My response is [???] what's the relevance here? Also form where did you get the news of 50Girls being slaugtered every month( not a very credible source though).Admit that attrocities are done against girls/women but is america or any other country safer.I doubt.Recent study shows murders(excluding r#pes..etc) have risen to 18,000 a year in US alone.ie 1000 plus month( is that perfect). This has nothing to do with topics discussed here. Also don't try to be a hypocrite about asking me to mind my own affairs. I've never seen Dr.Rusty mention anywhere that only the "we are americans" people are supposed to comment here. Also my mention of US casualties was that I hate the fact of good people in war dying irrespective of from which country they are...whther if it's from my country or another country.and if if its due to poor intelligence it's just a shame.

Posted by: Roopesh at November 15, 2004 09:52 AM (q9wBH)

33 Pretty stupid of Roopesh to think that we (AMERICANS) haven't already thought of and weighed every senario in the cleaning out of Fallujah. The jerk doesn't realize we had to give 200,000 civilians a chance to get out 1st. The revelance is you people cannot solve your own stupid, backward way of life so we sure as hell don't need your comments. Americans call it CLEAN UP YOUR OWN ACT before sticking your nose in our business. You dip shits couldn't control the Muslims in your country so the rest of the world has another ISLAMIC country to deal with. Namely Pakistan. India created the country now the rest of the world has to deal with it. That in itself is proof you people failed in dealing with fanatics so we don't need your advice. Now go worship a 7 headed, 9 legged snakegod or something. I promise not to stick my nose in India's business.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 15, 2004 11:05 AM (aavE0)

34 Yep too much jerkin going on,folks awda stick to thier own business.

Posted by: wekno at November 15, 2004 11:42 AM (u4yGw)

35 Yep too much jerkin going on, folks awda stick to their own business n'stead of minding others.

Posted by: wekno at November 15, 2004 11:43 AM (u4yGw)

36 NO, but we can pay them to work in telemarketing or customer service positions, taking away the jobs from the Americans. Can't blame anyone but ourselves on that one. It's called GREED. And if they are going to be employed by US corps., at least learn to speak English correctly. If I'm transferred to one of them, I have to hang up. KEEP THE JOBS IN THE USA.

Posted by: Laura at November 15, 2004 11:44 AM (ptOpl)

37 Laura : I think were singing from the same hymn sheet on that one! Dont get me wrong, I have every admiration for an Urdu speaker that can speak fluent English,I mean I cant speak a word of Urdu.But thats just it you see, they dont speak it fluently.I have the same problem.After half an hour of them trying to understand what I want then another half an hour for me trying to understand their accent which I cant,I too put the phone down and need a stiff drink.

Posted by: wekno at November 15, 2004 12:29 PM (u4yGw)

38 Lotsa of reading here... I may have to put my 2 cents worth in very very soon.... Hey Rooster, I got out of the Navy in April of 2000. Lt. JG.. So to you and your son " Fair Winds and Calm Seas" and I WILL remember him in Rosary today. Andrea

Posted by: Andrea at November 15, 2004 12:40 PM (ywZa8)

39 Andrea: My wife is admin officer of base near here. 29 yrs 7 mos. Knowing and loving this military officer for 30 years has humbled me. It has been a honor. No one and I mean no one can run a personel dept. as well as she. The old gal would ship to Iraq at the first call. However, our son a Marine Corps O is doing the job for all five in this family. His lack of communication is pissing me off. Have one phone call in last 10 days. I am tracking his unit. Everyday they seem to be in the lead. Last Thanksgiving we had 7 of them for dinner. From E-3 to O-4. All are now in Fallujah. Scott says he and his command is starting to get mad. Never seen him mad since he was 5. I pity someone. America: Home of the finest military men and women in the history of the world. Thank you for your service.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 15, 2004 11:50 PM (iWXp3)

40 Sorry to have created a commotion here.Was not attacking any1 personaly only against the comments mentioned.Also with Gryrooster my prayers are with your family in the warzone. Also against the personal comments made before aganist me it isn't worth a response. Quote:the rest of the world has another ISLAMIC country to deal with. Namely Pakistan" then why make them your partner in the war on terror.irony? Also the response against Indians. Electing Bobby Jindal just shows most of them don't think like you.

Posted by: Roopesh at November 16, 2004 06:52 AM (Hndxf)

41 My brother is in the Air Guard now, he was in the marines for 6 years then transfered over to the Coast Guard for I think 8 years. And he is a police officer in MS. My dad was Airforce, altho he never went into law enforcement. I was also in admin for the navy, weekend warrior. I was on the police force for 6 years. My daughter is now out of college and on the same police force. There is a brotherhood in ALL this and a camaraderie. I never saw WAR time combat mostly training. My dad did. My brother did. I saw and still see a different kind of WAR.. Sometimes I have to re-think objectively on death. Over there and in any combat of WAR it is YOU or THEM, in military you are taught survival and to follow orders... On the police force you are taught keep the peace, but here you can see there was a peace.. Over there the military have to try to MAKE the peace in order to keep a peace. I can understand your fustration with the communication. You would think with ALL the technology that we have now communication would be so simple and quick. You just have to have FAITH in your sons. If you don't you will go INSANE.. My Compassion is for your family and the thousands of military fighting to keep us safe here. I couldn't give a rats ass if the rag heads get their shit together or not. As long as they stay outta here. I wonder if they have learned a lesson yet..?? DON'T SCREW WITH THE USA...... Andrea

Posted by: Andrea at November 16, 2004 01:54 PM (ywZa8)

42 Roopesh: you idiot. I supported Bobby Jindal during both his campaigns. It's a republican thing. Bobby Jindal is not from India. He was born is Baton Rouge La. He even had the sense to change his given Indian sounding name to Bobby. Bobby Jindal is an American not a Indian living in American as so many like you are. Hard for you people that cannot assimilate to understand that when you act like, dress like, talk like, think like, eat like and American you will be accepted as an American. And not until then. A piece of paper doesn't make an American. Are you silly enough to think we trust Muslim Pakistan? NO MORE STINK OF CURRY IN MOTELS: NO MORE COMPUTER COMPANIES USING OFF SHORE TECHICIANS WHO CAN'T BE UNDERSTOOD.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 16, 2004 09:13 PM (YpcV2)

43 Andrea: Coast Guard!. If he ever needs anything between now and next April E-mail us.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 16, 2004 09:23 PM (YpcV2)

44 This is getting spooky. Cop in Ms. Pearl River County wouldn't be bad. Ran Sheriff's Campaign in my area. Won both election and re-election. #2 man Major xxxxxxxxxx is good friend. My 18 yr old daughter is student at Southern Miss and unbelieveable at her age is Deputy Cherk of Court for biggest city in County. 3 days on, 2 days off. Then 2 days on, 3 days off. Then study, study, study. City has offered her a scholarship if she majors in criminalogy. Education is key. If these murdering bastards knew how good the American way of life is, they would emmulate us not try and kill good people like Mr. Bigley. Instead they have chosen a path of jealousy and hatred in the name of a gutter religion. Do they really think we would give this up before destroying all of them? Wonder where they got the red jump suits the victims wear?

Posted by: greyrooster at November 16, 2004 09:45 PM (YpcV2)

45 Rooster, World is truly small when you find a common thread. I will email you via your email to tell you what county in MS. I am so excited I can barely stand it. Rifle season is about to open up here on the mountain... Yippeee...... I have been "baiting" ooops I mean feeding deer all summer in my target area. I have my 30-30 all sighted in and the 270 just in case its farther than the planned site. I have got to be the only woman I know that would rather hunt or fish than go shopping!!!! It's truly like a fever... And I have it bad!!! Just ask my hubby. Hell I had my hunting license for big game months ago. He waits till the day before season. Now all I have left to do is tell my boss I won't be here to work for at least 3 days hahaha Andrea

Posted by: Andrea at November 17, 2004 10:16 AM (ywZa8)

46 I was kinda wondering about the jumpsuits myself. There has to be a trail of getting something like that. And, I doubt you and i are the only ones to think of it... Speaking of indians and I am NOT talking about the native american indians. Down south, we had the influctuation of vietmanese to lower Plaquemines. Then into neighboring New Orleans. Well, if you ever come up this way its india-eetians... hahaha They own and operate, ALL gas stations, hotels, and highway robber stores. Oh and some hamburger franchises. They are the RUDEST, group of people I have met. And in these places you will hardly find one american working for them. They employ their own... And to top it off.. Just like the vietmanese they don't have to pay taxes of any kind for 5 years. Damn I think I wanna REFUND... As I have said before somebody jumps up and down in my mud puddle, I am not racist.. I hate everyone hahaha Andrea

Posted by: Andrea at November 17, 2004 10:27 AM (ywZa8)

47 There are no longer any signs in Venetian Isles that are written in English. For the same reason. I don't understand the free ride.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 17, 2004 04:21 PM (Id1ho)

48 Great people talk about ideas, average people talk about things, and small people talk about wine. Fran Lebowitz (1950 - )

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49 That's a good one, Andrea...about not being a racist you hate everyone. I've got to remember that one, next time someone says I'm "racially profiling" in our heated discussions. hehehehe.

Posted by: Laura at November 24, 2004 07:07 PM (ptOpl)

50 the only good rag head bastard is a dead raghead bastard....... Semper-Fi

Posted by: rmyers38 at December 21, 2004 10:29 PM (fWkfn)

51 i am sick that the sick Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is a muslim it does not say in the Quran to behead people when they have not don jack all so at the end of the day Abu Musab al-Zarqawi the sico is going to be punished. He and the rest of his sad gang need a life and need to see a doctor as a muslim want they did to Mr Bigley was out of order and was not right. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi should be beheading and put on the internet i no its not right but think how Mr Bigley felt. He truly suffered all those days. May he rest in peace, along with Armstrong, Hensley and the others. thanx for reading thank you.

Posted by: Rayn at May 25, 2005 12:11 PM (PTkZT)

52 i am sick that the sick Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is a muslim it does not say in the Quran to behead people when they have not don jack all so at the end of the day Abu Musab al-Zarqawi the sico is going to be punished. He and the rest of his sad gang need a life and need to see a doctor as a muslim want they did to Mr Bigley was out of order and was not right. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi should be beheading and put on the internet i no its not right but think how Mr Bigley felt. He truly suffered all those days. May he rest in peace, along with Armstrong, Hensley and the others. thanx for reading thank you.

Posted by: Rayn at May 25, 2005 12:12 PM (PTkZT)

53 i am sick that the sick Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is a muslim it does not say in the Quran to behead people when they have not don jack all so at the end of the day Abu Musab al-Zarqawi the sico is going to be punished. He and the rest of his sad gang need a life and need to see a doctor as a muslim want they did to Mr Bigley was out of order and was not right. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi should be beheading and put on the internet i no its not right but think how Mr Bigley felt. He truly suffered all those days. May he rest in peace, along with Armstrong, Hensley and the others. thanx for reading thank you.

Posted by: Rayn at May 25, 2005 12:12 PM (PTkZT)

54 greyrooster Laura stop chating it you do not even care a shit fucken tarts. Rest in peace to the people that were beheaded. fuck off to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi fucken brasted need a life. rmyers38 get a grib you shit head your dads monky ass. LAURA A OLD FART. RAYN YOU GOT CLASS YOU GOT ALOT OF OPINIONS YOUR COOL DUDE. ADIOS loe you all apart from the people i said

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No Blood for Ivory Update--Ivory Coast to Sue France in Hague

Look, all these anti-France posts of late have a point. The point is not that France should not have invaded the Ivory Coast without UN approval. The point is that when the Left talks about the invasion of Iraq being illegal, they are being hypocrites. The fact is that the Left, just like the Right, doesn't care one iota about the UN when their causes are being pursued. It just so happens that the Left's cause celebre is always anti-Americanism. Via Jeff Quinton this news:

Ivory Coast is to file suit with the International Court of Justice against the French military which it accuses of killing some 60 Ivorians when it allegedly cracked down on anti-French riots in Abidjan.
"Ivory Coast will go to the International Court of Justice to seek measures to protect its territory and people," Ivorian Human Rights Minister Victorine Wodie said in a statement read out late on Friday on television..

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1 Are you serious? The guy's name is Wodie?!

Posted by: Rod Stanton at November 13, 2004 02:24 PM (a2hGw)

2 Fun is fun. Anti-France posts do not need a point.

Posted by: Mr. K at November 13, 2004 02:45 PM (4t2+n)

3 Going to the ICC to seek redress and protection from a UN authorized force? Ironic. Maybe others will get the idea and start sueing the UN for gross negligence.

Posted by: Jane at November 13, 2004 04:35 PM (6krEN)

4 I just went back to check the status of the troops and got this: Some 4,000 French troops are deployed in Ivory Coast in a somewhat unconventional arrangement in which they are both part of and separate from the UN peacekeeping force. Such nuiance. Leave it to the French.

Posted by: Jane at November 13, 2004 04:57 PM (6krEN)

5 Frogs out of Ivory Coast. No blood for cocoa. Machete wielding idiots dedicated to killing whites need more understanding. We must understand theie history. Kerry will talk to them. He has a plan.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 13, 2004 06:41 PM (fuCxf)

6 Some might say this is a bit of a none story. France has been fucking with Africa for years in the guise of humanity and military protection to stop the former colonies such as Ivory Coast descending into chaos.This is absolute baloney! France doesnt fuck with the u.s. cause they know better. These surrender Monkeys are as usual only out to protect their own cocoa interests and couldnt care if much or the population dissapeared just so long as there are enough Ivorians left to harvest the cocoa crops and send the profits back to President Jack Chirac and his crooks in France! of

Posted by: wekno at November 14, 2004 01:46 PM (3wgEl)

7 Fifty untrained French haters in the streets with machetes. Uh, Oh. My prediction. The frogs will call for help and then run. Then the liberal frog lovers will say Bush did it.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 15, 2004 06:01 AM (aavE0)

8 Wekno, I'm starting to get veryannoyed to read your paranoid crap all the time. You sound like such a looser dude. Get a life my friend...

Posted by: federico at November 15, 2004 11:14 PM (dNXmc)

9 Chirac is selling drugs to the natives. The frogs destroyed the Ivory Coast Airforce to get rid of the competition. They trade cocoa for cocaine then sell it to the natives who then run thru the streets waving machetes. Then the French can kill them like they did the Algerians. Chirac is the leader of the Ivory Coast Cartel. The frogs are pissed off at the Americans because Saddam's son Uday was biggest importer of cocaine packaged as cocoa. Chirac's friend Ben Laden is trying import opium from his poppy farms in Afganistan. The french connection was going to convert it to heroin. Then trade it to Saddam under UN sanction Oil for Food program. Iraq owes the frogs (Chirac and his cartel) over 8 billion dollars for cocaine. That is why Chirac was against the invasion. STOP CHIRAC FROM TRADING DRUGS FOR OIL. NO MORE COCOA FOR COCAINE. DRUG DEALING FROGS OUT OF IVORY COAST.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 16, 2004 08:14 PM (YpcV2)

10 Chirac has been using his billions of drug money to buy hog farms in Denmark. He forces poor immigrant muslims to work on these farms. These poor Islamic workers must stand in pig shit all day. No shoes are allowed. At breakfast they must eat bacon & eggs. Only ham sandwich and cheap french wine for lunch. French fries are fried in hog lard. CHIRAC TRADES COCOA FOR COCAINE: NO MORE FROG HOG FARMS: UNFAIR FOR MUSLIMS TO HAVE TO DRINK CHEAP FRENCH WINE. NO MORE PIG SHIT ON MUSLIMS FEET. FROGS OUT OF IVORY COAST

Posted by: greyrooster at November 16, 2004 08:29 PM (YpcV2)

11 As to David Anderson, it's like talking to James Carville, all noise, no substance. Sorry but that guy should not win anything at anytime. You are way above him Rusty. so is everyone else. Cindy

Posted by: firstbrokenangel at November 18, 2004 02:40 PM (D39Vm)

12 Doubt 'til thou canst doubt no more...doubt is thought and thought is life. Systems which end doubt are devices for drugging thought. Albert Guerard

Posted by: Acuvue coupon at November 24, 2004 10:14 AM (CFHBk)

13 How about we put something on this site that has something to do with Denmark in relation to the Ivory Coast... I'm suffering here.. I need some help for my Model United Nations meeting!! Thanks a ton!!

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November 12, 2004

Man Opens Fire at Eiffel Tower

Scotsman:

A Venezuelan man swiped a policemanÂ’s pistol and opened fire today at the foot of the Eiffel Tower in Paris, injuring a police officer and two security guards, officials said.
The man, aged in his 30s, was taken into custody after the incident, which took place as he was being questioned for attempting to enter a restricted area of the Paris monument, police officials said.
The suspect grabbed the pistol while he was handcuffed behind his back, the officials said. The man was not further identified, and an investigation was under way.
The officer was hit in the arm, and a security guard suffered a bullet wound to the shoulder. The other security guard was grazed by a bullet.

No word yet which member of Team America took this guy out, or if the Eiffel Tower is still intact. Hat tip: Bill Dauterive

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November 11, 2004

God Bless Our Veterans on This Day

It seems he looks after them in the field, too.

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1 Dude, thanks for the link. I'd like it if this story would get out -- because to me it exemplifies and reinforces my belief that our nation was chosen to serve all that is good in the world. "God shed His grace on thee" is more than just a song lyric.

Posted by: Leopold Stotch at November 11, 2004 10:22 PM (1gUbS)

2 blogito t-shirts and sweatshirts -- customized, even -- at www.electees.com Just as Descartes would have wanted them! If you like what you see, and pass the word along, I'd sure appreciate it. Thanks. pete

Posted by: pete at November 12, 2004 03:04 AM (JPTAB)

3 It just shows that some doctors are better than others. Nothing else.

Posted by: Matt Bing at November 12, 2004 06:41 AM (ccz95)

4 Maybe. You can interpret the event in that way if you wish, but living without a sense that some things are more than coincidence doesn't seem like the most fulfilling outlook on life. I choose to see this exactly like Stotch: Divine intervention.

Posted by: Rusty at November 12, 2004 08:46 AM (JQjhA)

5 Rusty..... my post wont go thru says something "calias" wuts up with that??? Splain to me NOW!!!

Posted by: Andrea at November 12, 2004 11:52 AM (ywZa8)

6 Mine goes coo coo too, Andrea, just try again...think it's a glitch somewhere.

Posted by: Laura at November 12, 2004 12:08 PM (ptOpl)

7 has something to do with the word c-ialas that wont post but i reread it 3 times and dont see it...

Posted by: andrea at November 12, 2004 12:25 PM (ywZa8)

8 Isn't that word some kind of erectile medicine? Maybe that's why. The program thinks you are a spammer trying to sell it.

Posted by: Rusty at November 12, 2004 01:27 PM (JQjhA)

9 Oh pur-leeeaaase... Nice story (total fabrications though it is). But when combatting a religious war do we need the "God" propaganda? Again, it all smacks of the "My God is better than yours" mentality.

Posted by: Red Devil at November 12, 2004 04:46 PM (KmnKG)

10 Well, Gawd forbid we step on toes or make those that believe they were dropped here on this planet by other means than creation by God. I will tell you I am 42 years, I have raised 3 of the most MOM fearing children you want to meet. I have watched our society, change right before my eyes for the WORST.... Our government, that has ALWAYS never had a problem with stepping on toes or jumping up and down in someone else's mud puddle. Decides that piss on the OLD ways that seemed to work better than what's going on now... 1. Wives are equal or even better than the MEN they married.... I think it ALL went to hell when this happened. MEN were meant to RUN, BOSS, and RULE... MEN were meant to be the head of households and marriages. I am NOT taking about abusive relationships for you nut cases out there.. ok 2. Don't spank your kids... give them time outs..... YEAH OK .......spanking lets your kids KNOW right away, they screwed up. Time out gives them unconstructive time to contemplate retaliation against you.. haha and don't even try to say spanking warps a child... Have you been to the MALL lately.. There is a mass of unspanked teenage FREAKS roaming there.... 3. Don't fly that Confederate Flag.... You might piss off the other races... Well, Kiss my ass.. and educate ya-selves... 4. Don't pray in school or any other government place.. Don't give a shit bout you but... my heathernous ass ain't taking no chances about heaven..

Posted by: Andrea at November 14, 2004 06:57 PM (ywZa8)

11 Figured out were this lady's from. Must be a neighbor. Got a point there girl. Got a point. Now back to my gumbo.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 14, 2004 08:15 PM (QpTZy)

12 hey rooster, I have seen you on here alot. Its kinda easy to see where I am from. HAHA I am a relocated cajun in the mountains of West Virginia now. I am a former police officer from below New Orleans. Speaking of Gumbo, I am making some for Thanksgivin Eve. 'Laissez les bon temps rouler'.... I try to hang on to as much of my cajun coonass french culture as I can. Damn redneck's up here wanna make me one of them HAHAHAHA Andrea

Posted by: Andrea at November 15, 2004 09:03 AM (ywZa8)

13 Ever need any seasoning E-mail me. Fish out of Venice every week.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 15, 2004 11:26 AM (aavE0)

14 If you should get stopped down there for speeding by a cute young brown headed deputy.... That would be my daughter hahaha. i miss fishing outta Bay Adams and back of Freeport. I am stuck to fish in the Potomac River and Lakes up here. Gawd, I miss salt water fishin. I won't even tell you what shrimp up here cost. I can't sacrifice both ARM and LEG.. But, I tell you what I really want... Thats some boudin from Rod's in Church Point... mmmmm mouth waterin already..lol Andrea

Posted by: Andrea at November 15, 2004 11:54 AM (ywZa8)

15 Speaking of fish..... Rat Reds should still be running if the salt water has backed up far enough into the river. I usta fish them back of the pumping station in Port Sulphur. Dang now see what ya done... Thinkin about Grouper, Trigger Fish, Rat Reds, Red Snapper, White trout, craoker. grrrrrrrr I want it ALL....

Posted by: Andrea at November 15, 2004 12:04 PM (ywZa8)

16 Right now large shrimp $1.60#, Jumbo browns $1.80/$2.00#. I pull a 16' trawl and catch all I want in 1hr. Jumbo blue crabs $5.00 a doz. wholesale. They ship the rest to Maryland. No joke. Chesapeake Bay must running out. Those people up there have always been smarter than us. Ha. Reds and trout are so thick in the Biloxi Marsh (Hopedale/Shell Beach) you can walk on them. Tuna only 10/12 miles out off Southwest Pass. Teal and duck season open with limits for all. Deer season starts Friday. They jump in my cattle feeders. Hogs on banks of every bayou. Wonder why they call it Sportsmens Paradise? A EEEEEE! How do you live without ZATARAINS and Tony Chachere's? Three more months, my boy comes home then its 'Laissez les bon temps rouler' BIG TIME!

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Today's Fight Club Homework: Fight a Kerry Supporter (and lose)

Via M.H. King this post from Craig's List. Loyal minions are hereby ordered to respond to this ad--and to lose the fight. Hell, why not just pick a fight with any Kerry supporter and lose?

Straight male seeks Bush supporter for fair, physical fight
I would like to fight a Bush supporter to vent my anger. If you are one, have a fiery streek, please contact me so we can meet and physically fight. I would like to beat the shit out of you.

It looks like Ace and the Headmistress found it too.

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1 Shouldn't this guy be in psychiatric care in Boca Raton instead?

Posted by: Chad Evans at November 11, 2004 09:52 PM (pwsCa)

2 Unfortunately I head to China on Sunday.

Posted by: Joe R. the Unabrewer at November 11, 2004 10:57 PM (Zr5Iq)

3 Hmmm. I'm 6'2"/200 and do 1,500 reps on my Bowflex every other day. Not sure I could lose a physical fight with a Kerry supporter no matter how hard I tried to throw it. I... could... however... turn this punk into a libertarian/conservative if you'd like.

Posted by: Bloghorn Bleghorn at November 12, 2004 12:33 AM (0H9qW)

4 a fellow bowflex addict, como estas amigo. since I bought my bowflex a couple years ago,I get more of a workout in less time than I ever did messin with free wheights, as for the fight club wannabe, I'd fight him, ....but im not angry about anything, in fact since the election all is right with my world. har har har

Posted by: rumcrook at November 12, 2004 01:50 AM (fLlQ8)

5 Wouldn't it be wonderful if this "fight-man" showed the same fiery passion, commitment and willingness to beat the hell out of a TERRORIST?? Pipe dream, I know.

Posted by: Cindy at November 12, 2004 06:41 AM (XWED5)

6 Hey speaking of bowflex, thinking about getting one; does it take up much room??? Thinking of this as a family Xmas present. We all could use it.

Posted by: Laura at November 12, 2004 08:15 AM (ptOpl)

7 That's the thing: for some of us it's not difficult to win a fight. But losing a fight...that takes guts.

Posted by: Rusty at November 12, 2004 08:48 AM (JQjhA)

8 Foward this asshole my name and address. I'll be more than happy to assist him.

Posted by: Dick at November 12, 2004 09:39 AM (hu9UN)

9 Strange that a Kerry supporter would want to fight. Kerry didn't.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 12, 2004 11:16 AM (mckZv)

10 I guess the only thing left to do is send this guy over to Iraq. When a battle of wits and constructive politics fails BARE FISTS....!!!! hahaha Let me know when the fight is Imma bring the pop-corn. And wear my I Support BUSH T-shirt

Posted by: Andrea at November 12, 2004 12:31 PM (ywZa8)

11 Don't ever throw a fight. My last physical fight came 18 years ago when I was 15 years of age. This lad decided he wanted to pick on me. I could've spanked his ass but I'd gotten a bit of a reputation as a fighter and at that age, I wanted to concentrate on my education and leaving school at 16 with good grades. I just let him wrestle me to the ground and hit me a few times, at which point he said, "Give up?" I said, "Yeah, I give up." I got up and walked home and for the last 18 years I have wanted to revisit that day and put his fucking teeth down his throat. Throwing a fight does not take guts. If philosophical debate is what they're seeking then meet it in kind and treat them with the respect they deserve. Give it your best shot. If physical force is what it someone is seeking to employ then meet it in kind. Again, treat them with the respect they deserve but always give it your best shot.

Posted by: Red Devil at November 12, 2004 04:53 PM (KmnKG)

12 naa the bowflex is an exellent space saver workout machine. doesnt take up a lot of space, and its best features are~~~ 1. you can safely work out alone, with out fear of accidently killing yourself or injuring yourself benchpressing to much wieght. ***very importaqnt*** 2. you can move through exercises fast, with out the hassle of putting on or taking off heavy plates, which could throw your back out if you move in an awkward way while doing it. 3. because its easy to use you can focus on a fast, high impact workout, in less time than with free wieghts or going to the gym. and unless you own the best most complete free wieght set up, you get more potential exercise stations/positions.

Posted by: rumcrook at November 12, 2004 07:43 PM (+7VNs)

13 Yeah and I wanna look like that "50 year old grandmother" that does the commercial! I'm almost there, just need to tone up a bit more.

Posted by: Laura at November 13, 2004 09:11 AM (ptOpl)

14 If this guys a Kerry supporter he's already a bit of a wet flannel. What gets me is how he deduces that a wet flannel is going to make any sort of impact on a Bushman. Just a thought.

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November 10, 2004

Chirac=Hitler / No Blood For Ivory

HT: No-Pasaran!

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Dutch Police in Standoff with Van Gogh Murder Terror Suspects

On the day that Theo Van Gogh was put to rest, the Dutch police have raided a suspected terrorist network's safe house. Three Dutch police officers were injured. While the story quoted below implies the injuries may have been the result of some sort of accident, according to another source the hand grenade was thrown at them. ITV:

Dutch police have raided a building in The Hague as part of an ongoing anti-terror operation.
Three officers were injured when a hand grenade exploded during the in the early morning operation.
A number of suspects are understood to be holed up in the building.
The area was sealed off and the airspace above The Hague was closed.
Tensions have been running high in the Netherlands since the murder of controversial film director Theo van Gogh last week.
Detectives investigating the killing have arrested ten people and are still holding six including prime suspect "Mohammed B" who has been charged with murder and suspected links to a terrorist group.

The words of van Gogh's mother seem quite fitting here, "You must also help ensure that Theo is not forgotten. Liberty is not for frightened people." Amen sister.

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1 I condem this racially motivated attack on these poor muslim freedom fighters, frightened and unfamilliar with our repressive destructive, ecologically harmfull western ways. all cultures are equal and we cannot hold these men responsible for what is clearly a defense and backlash of poverty and of aaaaaahhhhhhh crap I cant spend one more moment thinking like a liberal it makes me feel sick and dirty ive gotta go take a shower.

Posted by: rumcrook at November 10, 2004 10:05 AM (fLlQ8)

2 Ha, Ha, Good one!

Posted by: greyrooster at November 10, 2004 05:31 PM (J4a4p)

3 OK, dipshit. These people are clearly criminals, and no one is saying they aren't. They're religious fanatics, and they have no place in a free society. People that fanatical are a very, very tiny minority of Muslims worldwide (or Dutch Muslims for that matter). The Christian fanatics who rave about killing abortion doctors, and once in awhile try to, are also a tiny minority. This is not UNRELATED to the religion of Islam. All religions have quirks that crazy people can exploit if they're bent on doing diabolical things. It just so happens that the West has managed to tick off quite a few Muslim nations over the last few decades, so Islam gets blamed for a lot of this. If you want to chalk up the number of casualties Christians have caused versus the number Muslims have caused, it would be an interesting study, but I would doubt Islam would come out on top. Enough of the closed-minded bigotry that this country thought it had discarded a few decades ago. Come off it, you simple-minded punks. As much as a**holes like these extremists endanger our liberty, you guys endanger it even more. You're UN-AMERICAN, and you can kiss my American a***. Time magazine: "[Benjamin Franklin helped to build a hall] in Philadelphia that was, as he put it, 'expressly for the use of any preacher of any religious persuasion who might desire to say something.' He added, 'Even if the Mufti of Constantinople were to send a missionary to preach Mohammedanism [Islam] to us, he would find a pulpit at his service.' "

Posted by: trr at November 11, 2004 05:16 AM (Fi+Cz)

4 THOSE MUSLIMS IN HOLLAND SHOULD TAKE A VISIT TO ONE OF THE MANY COFFEE SHOPS IN AMSTERDAM, THEY MAY UNDERSTAND "PEACE" MAN!

Posted by: karl at November 11, 2004 07:47 AM (PM/BC)

5 trr: You're not an American any more than the assholes with rags on their heads collecting money for Al-Queda. Living here doesn't make an American and you obviously don't know WHAT THE FUCK I'M TALKING ABOUT. Another fucking Jane Fonda. Call home asshole 1-800-Al-Queda.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 12, 2004 01:31 AM (eVGfQ)

6 typical leftist response and defense of islam. he pulled the old shopworn, christianity and islam are equally responsible for an equal amount of death and misery.... not only is that argument worthless, its pathetic. jesus never gave a green light to kill anyone. ever. no where in the new testement can you find jesus calling on people to kill an unbeleiver or a sinner for god. not so mohamid. the koran is riddled with qoutes and admonitions from mo' to kill. the in this modern era, (the last 30 years) you have maybe, 2 or 3 wakjobs killing abortion doctors. in this same modern era, the muslims are responsible for cutting off heads of innocent people, and murdering many many thousands, 911 being the culmination of thier bloodlust. so im gonna have to conclude that the real dipshit, is trr

Posted by: rumcrook at November 12, 2004 02:08 AM (fLlQ8)

7 The Netherlands is close to Britain politically and culturally, and it is important that this country(UK) draws appropriate lessons. Like the Dutch, the British people pride themselves on welcoming newcomers and on attitudes that reflect a global outlook. But Britain should not become prisoner, as the Netherlands has, to a "consensus" that stifles debate. The UK also has a sizeable Muslim minority, but more has been done to inculcate values and make clear that all have a responsibility to participate politically and economically in British society. The Dutch have made some effort to tackle alienation among young Muslims, but not monitored closely enough the activities of an extreme few. Both countries now have much to do. In Britain, at least, the emergence of a responsible Muslim umbrella group to counter the ravings of those preaching hatred has, in recent months, eased tensions. In the Netherlands, communal relations are still too inflamed. Mr Balkenende must move fast to shore up the tolerance for which his country was once famous. It was the dishonesty in not acknowledging that this was under threat which has led to the present conflict.

Posted by: Adam at November 13, 2004 09:16 AM (PM/BC)

8 This attack on a writer speaking his mind is more important than idiot bombers. Greatly underplayed. All the civilized world should be in an uproar. The dutch should start mass deportations immediately. ISLAMOFACISTS will make heros of these killers. It will happen again unless the civilized world shows the Muslims this will not be tolerated.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 15, 2004 07:38 AM (aavE0)

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November 09, 2004

Can't Win Fer Losin'

by Demosophist

I'm just guessing, but I figure Ken Layne's Jesusland essay is where a lot of folks who've all but disappeared around the bend are getting their vitriolic edge concerning the sinister impending Christian theocracy. But if you're just tired of all this cr@p, and want a good chuckle, check out the Google ads on the lower left of the page. (Hat tip: Gerard)

(Cross-posted by Demosophist to Demosophia and Anticipatory Retaliation)

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Another Beheading in Thailand

News24

Suspected Islamic militants beheaded a 60-year-old Buddhist labourer in Thailand's south in the second such slaying to avenge the deaths of 85 Muslims at the hands of security forces last month, police said on Tuesday....

Hat tip to Greyrooster. There's more below. more...

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1 Since, our liberal monitors have informed us repeatedly that what is going on in the world today is not a religious war, It must be pure coincidence that the rebels killed in Thailand were muslims.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 09, 2004 03:10 PM (2R1MG)

2 If they want holy war, give them nuclear holy war! Give them mecca, medina and every major muslim city turned into a green glowing glass parkinglot! KILL THEM, KILL THEM ALL! Spare nothing living that wears a towel for a hat!

Posted by: Andre at November 09, 2004 03:24 PM (hD5mx)

3 "If they want holy war, give them nuclear holy war! Give them mecca, medina and every major muslim city turned into a green glowing glass parkinglot! KILL THEM, KILL THEM ALL! Spare nothing living that wears a towel for a hat!" What was I worried about? See, Bush supporters are just as level-headed as any other guys on the planet. We can all rest-assured that we're in good hands. You'll have to excuse me for now, however. I haven't finished digging my underground bunker.

Posted by: trr at November 10, 2004 06:09 AM (eCUWq)

4 A few Bush administration goals, as revealed in a leaked memo: - increase beheadings around the world - any psychopaths around the world who DON'T hate America, do something to provoke them so that WE become their target - create a medieval-era rift between Christianity and Islam - divide America as much as possible - cause our allies to intensely distrust us - make the government money flow like Niagara; thrift and prudence is for p**sies - kill the separation between church and state, the most fundamental tenet of American democracy Wow. I'd say they're doing pretty well, wouldn't you?

Posted by: trr at November 10, 2004 06:18 AM (eCUWq)

5 Just another example of the barbaric behavior typical of muslim terrorists. Not all muslims are terrorists but so far all the terrorists have been muslims. Hmm...what a coincidence!

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French Troops Massacre Civillian Protesters

Guardian:

French forces opened fire Tuesday as protesters massed between the Ivory Coast president's home and an evacuation post for foreigners. A hospital reported seven people were killed and more than 200 wounded.
Earlier, at least four days of confrontations killed at least 20 other people, wounded 700, and shut down cocoa exports from the world's largest producer.<

Left-wing groups around the world still silent on France's illegal invasion of the Ivory Coast--an invasion undertaken without UN approval.

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1 Actually, France has had 4,000 troops stationed there since last year, so I'd hardly call that an invasion, especially since their initial deployment was to monitor the ceasefire between the rebels and government. You also conveniently left out the fact that 9 French troops and an American aid worker killed there by Ivory Coast mobs. So, you see, a completely different situation than the fiasco that is Iraq. Man, you're really dying on the vine, Rusty!

Posted by: Venom at November 09, 2004 02:23 PM (dbxVM)

2 Actually, the US had 20,000 troops stationed around Iraq since 1991, so I'd hardly call that an invasion, especially since their initial deployment was to roll back the aggression of Saddam Hussein You also conveniently left out the fact that Iraq had been firing at US planes since the signing of the cease-fire agreement. So, you see, the situation in Iraq was very similar to that of the Ivory Coast. Man, you're really dying on the vine, Venom. PS-again, if the war in Iraq is wrong because it's 'illegal' why is this not wrong??

Posted by: Rusty at November 09, 2004 02:36 PM (JQjhA)

3 Venom calls bombing the airport monitoring the cease fire. The UN has condemned the French actions. Over fifty innocent machete weilding citizens have been killed. They must have been lost when found inside someone elses home. Go Frogs go. Murder the innocents. More blood for cocoa. Send in more troops. They have no guns, no mortars, no machine guns, no artillery, no rocket propelled grenades. Nothing but sticks and machetes. You can win this one. Go frogs go. Loving it. By the way, don't attack the rebels. They have guns.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 09, 2004 02:50 PM (2R1MG)

4 VENOM: Get your shit straight. The 10 people killed were killed by accident by the Ivory Coast Air Force during an attack on the rebels. So the French destroyed the Air Force. Namely, 3 helicopters, and 2 Russian made attack fighters. So all things equal. If a country at civil war with itself kills US Citizens hanging around with one side or the other, then the US has the right to destroy their airforce and bomb their airports.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 09, 2004 03:02 PM (2R1MG)

5 "Actually, the US had 20,000 troops stationed around Iraq since 1991, so I'd hardly call that an invasion, especially since their initial deployment was to roll back the aggression of Saddam Hussein" No one is calling the 20,000 troops stationed "around" Iraq since 1991 an invasion. We're talking current events - the US invasion of Iraq now, versus the French monitoring of a cease-fire. Thanks for trying, Rusty. "You also conveniently left out the fact that Iraq had been firing at US planes since the signing of the cease-fire agreement." I also left out that said US planes were bombing Iraq since the "cease-fire agreement." "So, you see, the situation in Iraq was very similar to that of the Ivory Coast." How so? Was Iraq a former colony of the US, and did the US feel the need to be the protectorate of said colony? Oh wait, I know where the similarities are: the US wanted to secure Iraq's major resource, oil, and the French wanted to secure the Ivory Coast's major resource, cocoa. Is this what you were getting at? "Man, you're really dying on the vine, Venom." Imitation is the sincerest form of flatery... "PS-again, if the war in Iraq is wrong because it's 'illegal' why is this not wrong??" This may be wrong and illegal, too. I never said it wasn't. But there are thousands of French nationals still in the Ivory Coast, and one reason for deploying more troops would be to protect them (not unlike when the Marines were sent to protect American nationals in Liberia several years ago). I was commenting on your "article" that tried to create a parallel with the Iraqi conflict by using the same arguments anti-war protesters use.

Posted by: Venom at November 09, 2004 04:06 PM (dbxVM)

6 Just nuke paris.Sick and tired of their shit.Fire a few salvos at Quebec too,theyl be stirring the mire next.

Posted by: wekno at November 09, 2004 05:42 PM (PTZW3)

7 A couple dozen dead protestors, who cares - but if they're shutting down cocoa exports, that's serious! Someone should alert Michael Moore, maybe we can get him to use his powers for good instead of evil.

Posted by: Eric at November 09, 2004 07:31 PM (EGPsr)

8 Liberia? Wasn't that the country begging, pleaing and praying that the US intervene in their civil war?

Posted by: greyrooster at November 09, 2004 07:35 PM (9chNR)

9 wekno, you seem like a very nice guy! What do you think makes you so clever? Have you been to France? Do you know many french? I'm sure that you couldn't even locate France on a map if you knew what a map was... Only bomb us if this is a human bomb and you are the missile. Va mourir fils de putte (et j'encule ta mere)

Posted by: federico at November 09, 2004 09:45 PM (dNXmc)

10 VENOM:Too long again, youve driven me off the blog.My boredometers going off like crazy.It triggered it right away.If its gonna be long its gotta be interesting. See you tomorrow.

Posted by: wekno at November 10, 2004 02:42 AM (qppWD)

11 FEDERICO Hey asshole I speak French. You shitabagamente.I know exactly where you are. Dont you dare tell me to fuck off.For none French speakers this cunt just told me to go fuck my mother and go die son of a bitch.Charming.Judging by your name are Italian or possibly French / Italian.A sprog of the lowest of the lowest working class,poorest of the poor that went to France in the 1950's to build the roads and shit.Just for your information go to France every year and have just spent 6 months in Montpellier you piece of arrogant shit. Get lost with the crappy French too ,this is an English speaking Blog.

Posted by: wekno at November 10, 2004 03:02 AM (qppWD)

12 Federico: We know that most people live and die in Torino,Italy - cause they are known to be so narrow minded and never have ambition to do anything else.Why dont you do us all big favor and go back there. Assino,Critino,imbecile.

Posted by: wekno at November 10, 2004 03:11 AM (qppWD)

13 Greyrooster: Iwas in a good mood too. Can you believe this shit Federico? Whats wrong with nukin the enemy. I still say your either with us or against us. Just Nuke the Frogs! We know they are a bunch of arrogant backstabbers anyways! Onwards and upwards!World domination! Go U.S.A !

Posted by: wekno at November 10, 2004 03:22 AM (qppWD)

14 I swatted a fly yesterday without UN approval. So you see, the situation of me swatting a fly was VERY SIMILAR to that of the Iraq invasion. Hey, look at those pink elephants flying around. Aren't they neat? Ahhh! Get off me! They're eating my flesh!! What are you doing?! I'm fine.

Posted by: trr at November 10, 2004 06:27 AM (eCUWq)

15 trr Keep trrrrrying.

Posted by: sopotamia at November 10, 2004 07:10 AM (iKiGB)

16 Wekno: you lied, you kept posting!

Posted by: Venom at November 10, 2004 08:35 AM (dbxVM)

17 Shouldn't France and the US be buddies again now that they're both pulling "illegal" shit.

Posted by: LMAO at November 10, 2004 09:34 AM (p5xDI)

18 Venom: I never had sexual relations with that woman! If presidents can lie so can I.No seriously though, I was on my way,Federico just got me in the mood for revenge.But I know where he is so hes gone all quiet on me.'No rien d'rien,je ne regret d'rien'! Frogs and excrutiatingly long posts just bring out the best in me I guess.Sleep tight,watch the bed bugs dont bite. No rien d'rien, je ne regret d'rien'!This land is your land,this land is my land,from the New York sky line to the southern.......

Posted by: wekno at November 10, 2004 07:54 PM (qRM5y)

19 LMAOTSITUNG: Sorry just couldnt resist that one.

Posted by: wekno at November 10, 2004 07:56 PM (qRM5y)

20 LMAO: Sorry,it just doesnt work like that. The French stand alone. Always have done,always will. Back in 1945 they begged the US Army to please,please let Degaulle and his free french rag tag partisans liberate Paris. Not wanting to upset the party we agreed. We've been regreting it ever since.Not because were sore about that,but it kind of started a president,like all takers,once you give them an inch they take a mile!

Posted by: wekno at November 10, 2004 08:06 PM (qRM5y)

21 Wekno, I hope you're feeling better now that you've empty your brain full of crapy ideas and shit theories. For your info I am 100% french and no italian blood. Which doesn't mean that I don't like the italians, I have a lot of repsect for this people. How can you call my people arrogants when you say you come every now and then. I wish one day you have the balls to say it right in the face of a French and he makes you eat your own little balls. I said little cause you've emptied all its content in your mum's asshole. But unfortunately you'll never have the balls 'cause your a coward. Nothing belongs to you and nothing ever will. I wish I could meet you at some stage of my life to make you wish you never got such a piece of shit in the place of your brain. Go to hell wacko wekno. It feels a lot better now

Posted by: federico at November 10, 2004 11:55 PM (dNXmc)

22 Sorry I'm back again, forgot to reply to one of Wacko Wekno's theory. He said I am part of: "A sprog of the lowest of the lowest working class,poorest of the poor that went to France in the 1950's to build the roads and shit." For your info, I am certainly much richer than you are fucking cunt and I haven't never built a road of my life. Matter of fact I have a lot of fucking money, most of it has been made by screwing up your country slut. Say hi to your mum for me, and ask her is her asshole is feeling better CUNT

Posted by: federico at November 11, 2004 12:02 AM (dNXmc)

23 Oh federico Why so angry french frog?Cant you take a little humour in these dark days.You must have a realy small dick,just like that other Corsican inbred Napoleon,which is well documented ,just ask josephine.Matter of fact it is within the bounds of possibility that Ive got it all wrong, you may in fact be from porto vecchio,probably the dum part.Still killing like old times I see in la cote d'ivoire.

Posted by: wekno at November 11, 2004 03:18 AM (8UE5p)

24 Yes we know the French like the Italians. That Catherine was realy quite a swinger. Also like the Italians,French tanks have one gear position for forward and four for reverse.Funny but true.Check out the history,its all there on the internet.Wouldnt cost you one sous. Lets face it,your country is not up to fighting full stop.You and De Gaul's cronies and their patronising arrogance, were seen off by guys with nothing more than sticks and spades in Indo China.By the time we came to sort the mess out they were already armed up to the teeth largely because you French surrrender monkeys couldnt get out quick enough once you knew they were not going to be a push over,like they were before they got wind of France's humilliating defeat at the hands of the Germans,your long distance cousins from the days of the Land of The Franks under Charlemagne. You left enough ammunition for the cong to keep fighting for 30 years,goddamned surrender Monkies!You cant argue with that one federico, piss in your beerio,you French are just that,surrender Monkies, am I right,yes of course I'm right thats whats got you so pissed! Dont talk to me about If I had the balls to speak to a Frenchman about my views. What would be the point,its obvious you guys just cant take the truth.Now if every argument has to descend into a brawl whats the sense in that.The whole idea of being civil is not losing your rag.Your not supposed to beat the guy up whos trying to beg to differ from you. Your colonial days are over, were the rulers now,so get used to it.Speaking of balls, to quote you,if you French fries had half the balls of the English in the second world war us yanks wouldnt have had to come and bail you all out, now would we!Think about that you idiot!Just say I hear what you are saying and I'm sorry but I do not agreee with you.Oh and you are Italian!All be it part French. Its nothing to be ashamed of you know.Get over it!You even make mistakes typing in English just as an Italian might often make in speaking English.If you need that explaining,let me know. I'l retype it verbatum so you can see how obvious it is.Arrividerchi Mama,Giovanni,chow bella,or whatever you want.Dickhead!

Posted by: wekno at November 11, 2004 04:18 AM (8UE5p)

25 GREYROOSTER, I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU ARE SUPPORTING THE FRENCH FAGGOTS.....THEY ARE CHEESE EATING SURRENDER MONKEY'S. I HOPE THEY GET SUCKED INTO THEIR OWN LITTLE IRAQ, THEN WE CAN WATCH FROM THE SIDELINES LIKE THEY HAVE OVER IRAQ...STINKING FRENCH COWARDS.

Posted by: karl at November 11, 2004 03:20 PM (PM/BC)

26 HEY FEDERICO, YOU FRENCH FAG...I'M BRITISH AND WE LOVE KICKING YOUR SURRENDER MONKEY'S ARSE. THE FRENCH THOUGHT THEY WERE GREAT DURING THE NAPOLEON TIMES, WELL, UNTILL THEY MADE A MASSIVE MISTAKE IN TRYING TO INVADE ENGLAND. WATERLOO, YOU FRENCH SHOULD HAVE THAT RAMMED DOWN YOUR THROATS IN YOUR HISTORY CLASSES AT SCHOOL. NOW GO AWAY AND MAYBE YOU CAN COME BACK WHEN YOU GROW SOME BALLS. AND THAT'S NOT JUST AIMED AT YOU, BUT ALL YOU FRENCH FAIRIES.

Posted by: karl at November 11, 2004 03:28 PM (PM/BC)

27 KARL: Are you fucking nuts? This vulgar asshole federico is an example of what the french are. I detest the pate eating faggots. Please read my posts again and look a little deeper.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 11, 2004 05:14 PM (eVGfQ)

28 I'm feeling extremely good today. Us French people love the attention. Especially when it comes from two cunts like you.

You guys have made my day. Let me do it in logical order. Wekno, that's a lot of assaults for one man with such a small pair of balls like you!!! We have a saying in my country "The less knowledge you have, the more you try to spread it". My friend wekno, this expression fits like a glove for you. You should probably dig a little deeper before you start talking about shit you obviously don't have a clue about. Wekno, this attack is personal, not an attack against US citizens in general. You know what, I still have a lot of respect for you my friend, and I even think I made a mistake assuming you didn't have big balls. I now think you do

Yes, to be able to tell me that my english is shit is phenomenal... Someone who pretends he is going to France once per year and spent 6 months in Montpellier and tries to write 3 words in french and does a spelling mistake in each and everyone of them,needs to have big balls!!! Yes very big balls. Or, wait a sec! Big balls or be completely dumb, have an IQ close to the one of a washing machine. Oh damn it wekno, you're getting me confused again. Are you completely dumb, or have huge balls? Ok, enough for you my friend... Now karl's turn. You pommie piece of shit. You ugly red and purple skinned animal. Wekno's attack was personal, but in your case Karl, it is an attack to all the pommie motherfuckers. God I hate you ugly bastards. First of all because you are extremely ugly. Anyone who has seen a pommie under the sun for more than five minutes cannot forget this experience. You know how we call you in France? We call you the roastbeef. Yes because you look like a roastbeef. Clever, innit? Karl, I know that you dumb fucks pommies sons of bitches love soccer! Innit? Who is ruling the premier league? If I tell you Henry, Pires, Vieira, Wenger... does that make you sweat. Don't overheat karlito, you'll change colour again. Ok, I got Overexcited! I'll give you a summary on why french people hate pommies. Youa re ugly, very ugly, you don't have style, you stink, your women are sluts (I fucked 5 of them in a week of a business trip in pommie land, and they LOVED my french cock), your food is disgusting. Your weather is horrible, your political system is the dodgiest, your queen smeels like cabbage... Too much comes through my mind. I have to stop here. Guys, have fun. Federico (le non italien, francais et fier de l'etre)

Posted by: federico at November 11, 2004 05:20 PM (dNXmc)

29 I had been wondering for the past few months how those Iraqis could be such animals beheading all this people!!! Reading what greyrooster, karl and wekno have posted, I know that they act like animals certainly because they are facing animals. You 3 are faggots and pigs. Keep hiding behind you're keyboard you loosers.

Posted by: Andre at November 11, 2004 10:17 PM (dNXmc)

30 Andre calls us what everyone else calls his mother.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 12, 2004 01:50 AM (eVGfQ)

31 GREYROOSTER, I'M SORRY ABOUT MY LAST COMMENT, I TEND TO AGREE ABOUT YOUR LAST POST. ANYWAY FEDERICO, YOU SNAIL EATING PIECE OF SHIT, YOU STILL HAVEN'T RESPONDED TO THE 'WATERLOO' STATEMENT. YOU FRENCH ARE COWARDS, NO BALL'S MATE. THE FRENCH BEGGED AMERICA AND BRITAIN TO BALE YOU OUT FROM THE GERMANS, WHO BY THE WAY, TOOK FRANCE IN 4DAY'S. I'LL TYPE THAT AGAIN (GERMANY TOOK FRANCE IN 4DAY'S). YOU MENTION A WORD (POMMIE) IF YOU NOW LIVE IN AUTRALIA, JUST REMEMBER THAT LAND IS BRITISH MATE, LOOK AT THEIR FLAG. WHAT HAVE THE FROGS EVER DONE..FUCK ALL, YOU COWARDS. GREYROOSTER; HOW MANY FRENCHMEN DOES IT TAKE TO DEFEND PARIS?

Posted by: karl at November 12, 2004 08:29 AM (PM/BC)

32 ANSWER: NONE.........THEY NEVER HAVE.

Posted by: karl at November 12, 2004 08:30 AM (PM/BC)

33 I sincerely doubt that a British lady would stoop low enough to ball a frog. However, My uncle who was in Frog land during WW2 says he didn't ball any French women because they gave it up to the Nazis the day after the Nazis arrived. Vichy, assholes.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 12, 2004 11:49 AM (mckZv)

34 FRENCH FROGS THANKED U.S FORCES PERSONNEL FOR LIBERATING THEIR COUNTRY FROM THE 'KRAUTS' A.K.A (GERMANS) BY GIVING MANY OF US WARTS ON OUR ASSES! My uncle too.Matter of fact,they had been warned not to have any form of sexual relations with French women largely due to the fact that the 'Krauts' had more than likely been up that particular pass before them! So many German Stormtroopers had succumbed to the most terribly painful warts off of these French ladies,('me trying to be respectful here',wouldnt want to cause offence to federico or other French frogs) that scores of them were made guests of the U.S Army Medical Corps Field Hospital and immediately given a bed at their enemy treatment station. In accordance with the Geneva convention of course!One would be forgiven for wondering 'just actualy',who was the real enemy here,the French Dames or the Third Reich! Apparently the most noticeable effect of this painful debilitation was that when the krauts(Germans) were ordered to march by their American overloards,some of them did so as if they were desperately trying to hold on,for dear life,to a dime piece wedged between their ass cheeks! Now though it pains me to say it the US army medical corps sometimes let their humour get the better of them,but for the most part said nothing and just motioned ''said suffering German stormtrooper'' in the direction of their Medical Diagnosis Tent. Not to mention that when these ever so brave German stormtroopers'' were told that there was no known cure other than to cut off these anal warts using a scalpel, and without I might add the use of anaesthetic, as this was an area of the body that was at that time in-anaesthesable.On hearing this,not surprisingly many of these German Stormtrooper cowards asked to be shot! Fortunately for them,the good old U.S. of A did not grant them their wish though it is said many servicemen would have been glad to send them where they wanted to go, The Senior Medical Corps Registrar absolutely forbade this,not just because it was against the Geneva convention but,to quote him -('' If these Krauts were so inclined to wage war on the world in the first place they should at least be man enough to suffer a little discomfort dammit, god zooks,the Fuhrer must be turning in his grave!) Though something a kin to Durex was availabe then, the product was still in its infancy and often proved unreliable. These same French ladies have said in post war documentaries,obviously off camera, that they did not like this rubber protection as, to quote one French dames particularly vivid and imagineatively expressed thought provoking account;- (''you know the French woman always likes when she makes love to truly feel the man that is inside her, it is so importandt to us in our lovemaking''), I suppose by that she meant,The American Man Inside Her, naturaly! U.S. Medical reports from the time would also suggest that warnings fell on deaf ears. Countless American servicemen returned to the good old U.S. of A with a tad more than they left it with. So much so that it was oft said, '' mighten it be a good time to send the Statue of Liberty back''! The fact that these two coward nations are such firm bedfellows says it all to me. Both are now the most ardent surrender Monkeys. Largely due to fear of upsetting their respective Raghead population.Germany with a population of around 11 Million Ragheads shat its pants at the thought of supporting a war in Iraq. France shat its pants big time at the same suggestion because it has a Raghead population of 6 Million Ragheads.France was before the war not only shitting with fear but pissing too and not in the Germans beer,no the pissing was 'figuratively so', in that they were pissing us and the brits off by not supporting a ground invasion but full of shit cowards like fredericopissinyourbeerio were going out into the music shops buying this realy shit song called Pas D'Iraq,(Not Iraq), an anti war protest song that was n not surprisingly storming the pop charts in surrender Monkey Junkey land France.

Posted by: wekno at November 13, 2004 10:29 AM (LkVXq)

35 Well said 'wekno'.

Posted by: karl at November 13, 2004 10:41 AM (PM/BC)

36 NO MORE SHITTY FRENCH CROONING THAT IS SUPPSED TO BE THEIR CONTRIBURION TO WORLD MUSIC. ' Having produced such ''shit artists'' as Sacha Distel over the years, and purport that horrendous shit to be music, it is a blessing that he is no longer around to lord his 'french git smugness'over our tv screens talking the biggest load of smug shit and even worse screaming that passes of for singing.No wonder the French can cook because they certainly cant fucking sing.Goddamed surender Monkeys,stich to your tarteflette you assholes

Posted by: wekno at November 13, 2004 10:43 AM (LkVXq)

37 Karl: Agree with you there.My sentiments exactly.The French never ever did defend Paris. Just like the French ladies that opened up their legs to all and sundry the French so called Army D'Honneur let open the boulevards of Paris practicaly handing Paris to the Germans on a plate. It is actualy chronicled in a book called Nemesis, Hitler and The Third Reich, it states that on entering Paris German troops were presented with lemon juice and fresh baguette sandwiches by Parisien cafe owners and even the residents of Paris. A sort of surrender party get together know your enemy or know your French coward Surrender Monkey Junkey kinda thing going on I suppose,who knows. There are clear pictures of Germans in full uniform living it up at cafe tables sometimes with French Army Personnel or a Gendarme chatting beside them having coffee and cakes, laughing and joking for christsakes! Talk about gettng in bed with the enemy. Is not that that bothers me so much its just that so many Americans and Britains died defending these godaweful Surrender Monkeys. Parisians looked on amazed,the only German soldiers that they had seen up until that point had been in news reels,by all accounts they were amazed and the whole spectacle had an air of unreality about it.French troops that were still bearing arms would salute the German soldiers whenever they passed whatever the rank as he was superior,and would exchange Heil Hitler greetings. If this were not done the French troops would be stopped and reprimanded on the spot like little children in effect, (much like the none French speaking world views French Frog surrender Monkeys today,sort of petulant spoilt brat types), and reminded that dissobaying a direct order or instruction of the Third Reich was under German law an act that can be punishable by death.They would be reminded that since France had been incorporated into the ''Weimar Republik'' it was now accountable to German law and custom. Just imagine the scene at a Paris Cafe table back then ; ''yes mein commandanten, how may I help you, what would that be, free wine, as much as you want of course commandanten, or would commandanten prefer champagne, coffee perhaps, a little caviar? Of course I have a fresh street map of Paris for you here commandandten, perhaps commandanten would prefer to look at it later, oh and Heil Hitler commandanten, please excuse me. These spineless sons of Napoleon disgraced themselves in their grovelling to the German conquerers of their land. Hitler achieved in one day more than Bismark and his cronies achieved in the whole of the first world war.

Posted by: wekno at November 13, 2004 11:58 AM (Z3kif)

38 Federico: You talk a croq of shit.Whats the big deal about typos you shit for brains.Your so lame!Come up with something original instead of shitting through your mouth you French shit stabber!You make typos a plenty,just look back over your crap,dont point the finger when yours smells of shit dickhead! I dont know how you manage to smile so wide when your head is up your ass but I guess youve been doing it so long by now the smell of your own shit doesnt bother you anymore! I cant even be bothered with you,and by the way there were no spelling mistakes in my French but their is in you thinking you can give me shit or beat me in an argument,just go and pull that prick our of your ass and stop typing shit like you do, your hands must be gettting vibration white finger about right now,what with you using the one hand to jerk off and the other to type your gonna have to surrender to the facts of reality sunshine. Stop sucking on turds and get real.The French are the skurge of the planet. I'd nuke you if I had the choice.Oh and stop pulling your pecker,it was meant for procreation not not stop masturbation you dog1 Even your French is crap. but I've met a thousand cats like you in my time, je connais la chanson turdface! Your the typical French 'big talker',fantasising about screwing pommie women as you call them,keep dreaming,I'm sure that if you said that to her she'd rip off your teenie Napoleonic French balls and stick them where the sun dont shine right up your Galic ass!Your hands must be getting vibration white finger right abour now turdaface,what with you jerking off with the one hand and typing your shit with the other. Like all good Americans I hate French turncoats. There! I feel so much better now! Nothing like telling a surrender Monkie French Fry where to get off!

Posted by: wekno at November 13, 2004 02:49 PM (cFu6u)

39 Dude, sorry I know you've put a lot of effort into those posts but can't be bothered reading them. Have fun and hope yo see you in France some days. I would love to see your face with a gallon of methanol up your fat ammerican ass, with a lighter in my hand. America, home of the fatest people in the world and home of the second ugliest population after the pommies.

Posted by: federico at November 14, 2004 05:32 PM (dNXmc)

40 Something tells me this federico the frog is a fake.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 14, 2004 07:52 PM (QpTZy)

41 Something tells me that this greyrooster has somehow a bit more of a brain than you other cock suckers.

Posted by: federico at November 14, 2004 11:08 PM (dNXmc)

42 Karlito the yucky pommie and Wekno the wacko homo are a bunch of little cock suckers

Posted by: federico at November 14, 2004 11:13 PM (dNXmc)

43 Federico: Hey dick face!I already sussed you as a Fake! Look back through the posts.Get your brain into gear before you try to act smart homo! I already said you were not French for real,just another wanna be French saddo, and at that one of Franco/Italian extract,your crappy name even suggests that.Get help now shithead!

Posted by: wekno at November 15, 2004 05:33 AM (OUdG0)

44 Frederico: (DUDE) French?

Posted by: greyrooster at November 15, 2004 07:21 AM (aavE0)

45 esti que vous ete gentil avec les canadien surtout les candiens francais en passant c du sarcasme

Posted by: ggg at January 15, 2005 09:39 PM (+RYZI)

46 The frenchy is on the right as usual. In WWII France split into 2, the pro-nazi Vichy France and the fre french Forces, those had almost as many military casualties as the US for comparison and took part in a lot of operations. France just had this mix, Italy went with the Nazis from the beginning, France almost had a civil war over it. Wekno etc. The repeating posting and racistic slurs in an irrelevant blog (as compared to other internet communities) shows what you really are, internet trolls able to feel important only through nationalism and, long dead history current individuals did not commit.

Posted by: ghost at January 24, 2005 03:02 PM (j1oN5)

47 The frenchy is on the right as usual. In WWII France split into 2, the pro-nazi Vichy France and the fre french Forces, those had almost as many military casualties as the US for comparison and took part in a lot of operations. France just had this mix, Italy went with the Nazis from the beginning, France almost had a civil war over it. Wekno etc. The repeating posting and racistic slurs in an irrelevant blog (as compared to other internet communities) shows what you really are, internet trolls able to feel important only through nationalism and, long dead history current individuals did not commit.

Posted by: Freedom at January 24, 2005 03:04 PM (j1oN5)

48 French army never had kill ivorian civils : bullshits !!! Our soldiers are serious proffesionals, not like your "cow-boys" and your national guardsÃ‚Â !!! I'm agree with you about the bloody past of our army (Algeria, Indochin, etcÂ…), but remeber too Vietnam, Somalia and IRAK !!! The stupid Bush's war !!

Posted by: TÃ©taclak at May 07, 2005 02:23 PM (K+M8v)

49 hmm..this is quite interesting

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