December 31, 2004
Are Terrorists Revolutionaries?
There's a fascinating conversation going on over at
Outside the Beltway written by
Leopold Stotch. It concerns the
Northwestern professor comparing Al Qaeda's fight with the U.S. Revolutionary War.
I'm not going to re-hash my views on this subject as I've already done so and explained the professor's comparison, however some interesting debate seems to be taking place. Shoot on over and take a gander.
Steven Taylor also joins into the fray of this debate with some excellent points.
Cross-posted at In the Bullpen
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I've already commented decent thoughts on this subject earlier and still say that anyone who can compare the two is certainly out of their minds.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 31, 2004 05:36 PM (D39Vm)
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And I truly believe that this professor should be fired from his job and deported back to his country of origin. We do not need people like him in this country teaching our kids of any age, this kind of debasing garbage.
Get rid of him and do it fast.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at January 01, 2005 12:05 AM (D39Vm)
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I'm not sure if the last poster was trying to be sarcastic or ironic, but the Professor in question is (part) American Indian. His country of origin is the US before yours is (unless you are also a native american).
In addition, I'd just like to point out that *all* history is relative. Whether or not the "terrorists" are equivalent with "revolutionaries" will be decided differently depending on how successful they are in enacting change. You can't just claim to have some sort of magical wisdom that you know how it will turn out.
Also, kicking out a professor based on his professional opinion sounds like something a tyrant dictator would do. For instance, Saddam Hussein would do it. Hmmmm....
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December 30, 2004
Professor Compares 9/11 Terro
There are very few articles written or words said that truly upset me. I may not like some of the references made by some prominent politicians and/or journalists, however I usually take them with a grain of salt. The below is not one of those.
History is made by people who seize the moments that circumstances offer and bend them to their purposes. When the conditions are adverse, they nurse their purposes, their dreams of freedom, dignity and power, so that when their moment arrives, they are ready to seize it, even at the cost of their lives.
On April 19, 1775, 700 British troops reached Concord, Massachusetts, to disarm the American colonists who were preparing to start an insurrection. When the British ordered them to disperse, the colonists fired back at the British soldiers. This “shot heard ‘round the world” heralded the start of an insurrection against Britain, the greatest Western power of its time. And when it ended, victorious, in 1783, the colonists had gained their objective. They had established a sovereign but slave-holding republic, the United States of America.
The colonists broke away because this was economically advantageous to their commercial and landed classes. As colonists, they were ruled by a parliament in which they were not represented, and which did not represent their interests. The colonies were not free to protect and develop their own commerce and industries. Their bid for independence was made all the more attractive because it was pressed under the banner of liberty. The colonial elites had imbibed well the lessons of the Enlightenment, and here in the new world, they had an opportunity to harness liberty in the service of their economic interests. Backed by the self interest of their landed and commercial elites, and inspired by revolutionary ideas, the colonists had a dream worth pursuing. They were prepared to die for this dream – and to kill. They did: and they won.
On September 11, 2001, nineteen Arab hijackers too demonstrated their willingness to die – and to kill – for their dream. They died so that their people might live, free and in dignity. The manner of their death – and the destruction it wreaked – is not merely a testament to the vulnerabilities that modern technology has created to clandestine attacks. After all, skyscrapers and airplanes have co-existed peacefully for many decades. The attacks of 9-11 were in many ways a work of daring and imagination too; if one can think objectively of such horrors. They were a cataclysmic summation of the history of Western depredations in the Middle East: the history of a unity dismembered, of societies manipulated by surrogates, of development derailed and disrupted, of a people dispossessed. The explosion of 9-11 was indeed a “shot heard ‘round the world.”
- Dissident Voice (via Jihad Watch)
How dare writer M. Shahid Alam compare those who killed over 3,000 innocent civilians on another country's soil to those who fought back at soldiers. Even an imbecile could tell whether or not a target is legitimate or not. Civilians are not legitimate targets in a war while soldiers and officers are.
Not only is Alam's article historically inaccurate, I know big shock, it also tries to explain away the radical islamic ideology in ways that it should not be explained. Simply put, it's not true. The dream of the terrorists in Al Qaeda is to re-create Persia under an Islamic rule. They hate the fact the United States, a country which operates under a Democracy, is even in the same area. They see Democracy as evil because it puts the people at the same level as God in their view. Of course they don't recognize how an Islamic cleric running the country would be the same, but then again the terrorist mindset is far from reality.
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wow
that is friggin scary.
using planes and driving them into towers et al as in the quote: "On September 11, 2001, nineteen Arab hijackers too demonstrated their willingness to die – and to kill – for their dream. They died so that their people might live, free and in dignity." is more than just sick; it's frightening.
Now how am I going to sleep?
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 30, 2004 11:52 PM (D39Vm)
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wow
that is friggin scary.
using planes and driving them into towers et al as in the quote: "On September 11, 2001, nineteen Arab hijackers too demonstrated their willingness to die – and to kill – for their dream. They died so that their people might live, free and in dignity." is more than just sick; it's frightening.
Now how am I going to sleep?
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 30, 2004 11:52 PM (D39Vm)
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The answer is as plain as the nose on your face. He hates America. Anyone who kills Americans - any Americans is a hero in his eyes. He probably has a connection to the MSM where such thinking has been "in" for 45 years.
Rod Stanton
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Posted by: Rod Stanton at December 31, 2004 06:55 AM (tHUgl)
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I just sent mr. Alam an e-mail at his school. What is a biology teacher doing making political statements like this anyway?? What a quack.
Chris
Posted by: Chris at December 31, 2004 07:00 AM (guh6o)
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If we where sane, we'd deport all these camel molesting diaper headed morons back to the kitty litter box called the middle east. But since we just love the diversity the religion of peace brings us we might as well just bend over and enjoy it.
Posted by: Andre at December 31, 2004 01:53 PM (H3q0a)
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It's about he current Tsunami crisis. The US is quite bou the Diego Gracia base......No one still knows what has happened to it ..it definitely would have beared the brunt of the tsunami force???
Posted by: Roopesh at December 31, 2004 02:58 PM (1K6Wj)
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Say what?
Rod is correct and this man is insane. Why are we even giving him space here or anywhere on the blogosphere??
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 31, 2004 05:39 PM (D39Vm)
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The man should be immediately fired from his job and he and his family should be deported immediately to their country of origin. He should not be allowed to teach our kids of any age, this kind of garbage. The terrorists and their actions was not done as revoluntionaries, for their dreams, so their people might live free in dignity. If they did it over THERE then maybe they would be revoluntionaries fighting for the freedom of their people BUT these terrorists are not fighting for their people or for dreams of freedom for their people but they are indeed killing, blasting, bombing, beheading people of the same religious ideals, ruining their infrastructure, ruining the possibility of elections and democracy on their own terms in Iraq when NONE of the terrorists themselves are from Iraq. There is rumor that the people of Iraq are beginning to see that these terrorists are hurting and destroying them and their hopes and dreams. Makes me want to hurl - get this man out of our country and do it now.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at January 01, 2005 12:15 AM (D39Vm)
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See Roopesh is getting smarter. Correct here thought. Anyone heard from Diego Garcia? Surely it would have been on the news by now. I am concerned even if it is full of the Navy. A Marine thing.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 01, 2005 03:37 PM (VsBCt)
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Give 'em He-l Cindy! If you need help I'm here to lead the charge, bayonet fixed.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at January 01, 2005 03:54 PM (tHUgl)
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Received an e-mail from a former crewmate - Diego Garcia is fine - NO damage at all - see URL.
Posted by: cdr_dtw_usnr at January 02, 2005 12:51 AM (A6vTj)
Posted by: greyrooster at January 02, 2005 06:26 AM (eLjJa)
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Although I agree that the attacks on the WTC was far more barbaric than Concord I must dispute this statement made by the original poster;
"Even an imbecile could tell whether or not a target is legitimate or not. Civilians are not legitimate targets in a war while soldiers and officers are."
Civillians are most certainly not legitimate targets (unless they have fired upon soldiers) but Concord didn't occur in a time of war, it was civil disobedience. How would you feel about a civillian in a nation in which U.S. troops are part of a peace keeping force who fired into a group of U.S. soldiers?
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Terrorists Attack U.S. Base in Mosul
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BAGHDAD, Iraq - Insurgents tried to ram a truck with half a ton of explosives into a U.S. military post in the northern city of Mosul on Thursday then ambushed reinforcements in a huge gunbattle in which 25 rebels and one American soldier were killed. Warplanes fired missiles and strafed gunmen during the fight.
The assault on the outpost, which U.S. soldiers finally repulsed, appeared to be better coordinated than past attacks, with guerrillas apparently pulling out their strongest assaults in an effort to derail Jan. 30 elections, U.S. military spokesman Lt. Col. Paul Hastings said.
"The terrorists are growing more desperate in their attempts to derail the elections and they're trying to put it all on the line and give it all they can," Hastings said.
This base was the scene of the suicide bombings inside a
mess hall tent. While no group has claimed responsibility for the attack as of yet, all the signs point to the work of Ansar al-Sunnah based upon where the attack occured and how it was carried out.
Cross-posted at In the Bullpen
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Yep, they did. Then, they proceeded to get their asses handed to them.
Posted by: Satan at December 30, 2004 08:01 PM (1Z4Aq)
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Chad, Ansar al-Sunnar did claim benefits; they also told citizens to stay in their homes and they were going to step up operations over the next few days.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 31, 2004 12:20 AM (D39Vm)
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But Mosul is hopefully prepared for them.
Cindy
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December 29, 2004
Bush Promises More Aid to Tsunami Victims
I have stayed quiet on the tsunami front for a variety of reasons, primarily because I'm too shocked it happened to be able to effectively write on this topic. I still won't cover it as far as the tragedy, but I will cover it from the area of terrorism and what it could mean for the GWOT.
Today, President Bush announced the U.S. is committed for long-term aid to the region. He also announced a coallition of nations dedicated to providing aid.
Bush said he phoned the leaders of stricken countries to solicit specific needs and assure them the initial aid package "is only the beginning of our help." He also laid the foundation for a long-term international recovery plan by forming the coalition with Japan, Australia and India and inviting other nations to join.
Boston.com
To me this is where things can get interesting and should effect the GWOT. I'll try my best to explain why, however like always my readers must draw the final conclusions.
Australia and Japan remain two of our strongest allies in almost every single undertaking we take. Both countries' governments and people should be applauded by every American based upon their continued support. Our relationship with India has soured slightly, however the two countries remain friends and Indians are one of this nation's fastest growing minorities.
The area effected by the tsunami is directly in the path of where many terrorists start bases and train jihadists. Indonesia is reported as being a nation with several Al Qaeda linked terrorist groups. While I wouldn't be sad if those were the people that died, that isn't the case. India has it's own jihadists as well. The massive support again will help our country's image that was damaged by the UN oil-for-food scandal as well as internal strife.
With the United States supplying as much aid as they are and forming a coallition with other nations to provide aid, we should get more support in the region that will help fester anti-Americanism. Al Qaeda terrorists recruit on the basis of fighting the evil Americans and Westerners. If the rest of the West can step up to the plate in terms of aid to the tsunami effected region, this will either completely take away or severely damage this recruiting tactic.
Of course I do not believe this is the reason why President Bush announced what he did, but it's a great side effect. This is not just a public relations mission, though it can be turned into a great pr opportunity if the United States government starts to realize the power of pr.
What often goes unreported when amount of aid is discussed is raw materials (food, water, wood, etc.). Individual donations also usually go unreported. This is part of the reason why the U.S. has a bad rap with giving aid, which is unfair once the above in included. We as a nation must continue to step up and show our generosity to those who were effected by a tragedy, no matter what country of origin they are.
Cross-posted at In the Bullpen
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Tip Leads to Explosion
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BAGHDAD, Iraq - A powerful explosion in a house in west Baghdad killed at least 29 people and wounded 18, police said Wednesday. They described the blast as an ambush staged by insurgents.
Police were en route to a raid in Baghdad's Ghazaliya neighborhood late Tuesday after an anonymous call tipped them about a suspected militant hideout in the neighborhood, an official in Ghazaliya police station said.
As they were about to enter the house, an explosion erupted from inside, he added.
At least 29 people were killed, including 7 policemen, and 18 others were injured. Six houses collapsed in the blast and several people are believed to be still trapped underneath the rubble.
This is a good news, bad news incident. First the bad news. It's a shame this terrorist felt like killing 29 people and injuring 18 others while blowing up some homes. Now the good news. The Iraqi police found this man, who in turn detonated the explosive, through an anonymous tip.
Update:
Times Online is reporting Iraqi police are investigating whether or not they were led into a trap. According to the U.S. military, the house has around two tons of explosives in it, making it at the very least a bomb factory. At this time it is unknown if the blast was triggered in martyrdom or if it was a planned event.
Cross-posted at In the Bullpen
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Explosions in Riyadh
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RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - A suicide attacker tried to drive his bomb-laden car into the Interior Ministry complex, and militants set off another bomb and exchanged fire with police late Wednesday in Riyadh, capital of a kingdom at war with Muslim extremists.
The first explosion at about 8:35 p.m. shattered windows and sent smoke and flames rising into the nighttime sky near the ministry in central Riyadh. Police officials said a suicide car bomber had tried to storm the ministry, but failed and instead exploded his car just outside.
A number of policemen were injured, a ministry official said, without elaborating. The ministry, which is in charge of Saudi security forces, is key to leading the crackdown that Saudi Arabia has led against Islamic militants this year.
Saudi Arabia killed three suspected terrorists just this past week. Couple the killings with the
Bin Laden message targeting Saudi Arabia and there is reason to believe the attack today was some sort of paypack and/or carrying out Bin Laden's message.
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Ramsey Clark to Defend Saddam
No big shock here since
Ramsey Clark is an opportunist and as anti-American as they come.
Political Musings has the best round-up of the event.
For a reference on how out of touch Clark is, left-leaning Salon calls he "A war criminals best friend." He's written many letters to the United Nations where he naturally bashes President Bush and the United States.
Here's a transcript of a speech he gave in Los Angeles in 1998 complaining of the sanctions against Iraq. Keep in mind, this is while the top five intelligence agencies in the world thought Iraq had WMDs.
Ramsey Clark's legacy as an anti-American wouldn't be complete without a call to impeach President Bush or his book concerning U.S. war crimes in the Persian Gulf. Of course this is the same Ramsey Clark who tried to defend Milosevic when even the UN considered Molosevic a war criminal.
Cross-posted at In the Bullpen
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Figures that pimp Clark would go hump Saddam's leg. He is still weepy over the death of Arafat.
Posted by: Obdiah Snooks at December 29, 2004 02:56 PM (yBHNA)
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When I was sheding blood (mine and theirs) in Nam he sent one son to Canada and another to Sweden to avoid fighting for freedom. He is and has been a devout Communist all his life, as well as an America hater. It only figures knowing his background he would side with Sadam, just like Jimmy. His fondest wish would be to see 911 again only 10 times bigger. F--- him!
Rod Stanton
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Posted by: Rod Stanton at December 30, 2004 07:00 AM (tHUgl)
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I would like to contact Ramsey Clark, to let him know I wrote Saddam Hussein a letter during the start of this Iraq war. The postman said he would probably not get my letter, asking him to be our friend. I figured if George W. Bush was not smart enough to stop this war I would try!!! They did not want to stop this war!
I asked Saddam Hussein to be our friend!!!
The postoffice is suppose to deliver anywhere, anytime! Saddam was not given a chance!!! It was all stacked against him!!!!
I have the exact date I sent this letter if you need this!!!
Thanks
Kimberly
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December 28, 2004
Zarqawi Takes Credit for Assassination Attempt
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BAGHDAD, Iraq - The group of Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi claimed responsibility Tuesday for the assassination attempt against the leader of Iraq's largest Shiite Muslim party that killed and wounded dozens of people.
In a statement posted on an internet web site, al-Zarqawi's al-Qaida in Iraq said one of its members carried out the suicide attack near Abdel Aziz al-Hakim's office Monday that killed 15 people and wounded more than 50. Al-Hakim, who was not in the office but in his adjacent house, was not hurt.
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assassination attempt was thankfully a failure, which makes it a bit odd that Al Qaeda in Iraq is willing to take credit for a failed attempt. Zarqawi and his group has issued statements with failures before, however there have been numerous failed attempts of suicide bombings directed by Zarqawi they have not taken credit for.
In most communications from Tawhid wal Jihad (Al Qaeda in Iraq), credit is either taken for successful operations or denied from successful operations. The group is quick to take credit for the killing of several innocent Iraqis, which somehow makes them feel proud. While people did die in the assassination attempt, it did not kill the intended target.
While Al Qaeda in Iraq wants nothing more than Democracy to fail in Iraq, which is why they target Iraqi officials, they missed their ultimate goal. Was the suicide bomber too quick to pull the trigger like other terrorists?
Cross-posted at In the Bullpen
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Do you remember what I posted when this assination attempt occurred? It didn't matter that he didn't get any of the intended targets but he did kill 15, wounding over 50; that alone for him is an accomplishment. That's why he'll claim responsibility. No one is safe from Zarqawi and I think that is the message he is trying to pass along.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 28, 2004 09:43 PM (D39Vm)
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Cindy I agree with you. As I said then the MSM is giving this lots of front page attention. It is starting to wear down the folk that support the war on terrorism. It was and is a big success for the MuslimFascists! Only because the America haters in the MSM play it up.
Rod Stanton
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Posted by: Rod Stanton at December 29, 2004 06:58 AM (tHUgl)
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Just what I said before, Rod. If it wasn't for the MSM, we'd hear about all the good things and there ARE a lot of good things. The more we play up Zarqawi and his deeds, the more fear he drives into our hearts and lives. We just can't let them or him do that - ever!
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 29, 2004 11:41 AM (D39Vm)
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Sunnis Withdraw from Iraq Election
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BAGHDAD, Dec. 27 -- The largest political party representing Iraq's Sunni Muslim minority announced Monday that it would drop out of the Jan. 30 election, dealing a fresh blow to the vote's credibility on the same day the top Shiite Muslim candidate survived a car bombing.
The withdrawal of the Iraqi Islamic Party, combined with the assassination attempton cleric Abdul Aziz Hakim, heightened concerns that the parliamentary election may produce a lopsided result, further alienating Sunni areas where the armed insurgency is growing.
I would imagine there was a very minor effect from the assassination attempt of a Shiite leader and an even bigger effect from
Osama Bin laden's audio tape calling for a boycott of elections. While the Sunnis and Al Qaeda terrorists have different goals, they are in fact cooperating and have been for well over a year inside of Iraq.
The Sunnis primary goal is to stop Democracy from entering Iraq because they are a minority and they also had all the power under Saddam Hussein. Al Qaeda's primary goal is to reunite Persia under Islamic rule which Democracy in Iraq would crush this dream of Bin Laden's. Both groups are willing to cooperate in order to keep Democracy out of Iraq.
There are many Baathists among the Sunni ranks and Sunni terrorists are responsible for hundreds of Iraqi deaths and a few Coallition deaths as well. Sunnis were held up in Fallujah until the Coallition cleared the city and they are actively supporting the terrorist's war by every means available.
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I have to write a paper for a political science class and the topis is compare and contrast the religionist movements in the arab and muslim world. (teachers comments) when you wirte your papers think about the general themes such as goals and motivsations of these moevements, their success or failure, the threat they may or may not pose to the regimes of the countires in which they operate, to the region beyond. any help would be greatly appreciated
Posted by: Evan at March 20, 2005 03:52 PM (Kl/pL)
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I can not believe that in spite of all the dreadful happenings in Iraq not least because of the actions of the sunnis and their cooperation with Al-Qaeda and if I may say that scum bag Abu musabl Al-Zarqawi, yet the shias are expected to give up on their rights and invited the sunnis to government.
It gets worse, the shias have repeatedly invited them and now i've learned that they're even releasing some of the terrorists to please the sunnis. I think this is pathetic and disgusting because terrorists should be shown no mercy, especially the kind that are emerging in Iraq.
Long live Iraq and death to the terrorists whoever they may be!
Posted by: Mohammed at May 15, 2005 03:43 PM (hEQHM)
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December 27, 2004
Terrorist Blows Himself Up Trying to Make a Bomb
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An insurgent accidentally has killed himself and four members of his family in Iraq's southern city of Karbala.
Police say a bomb he was making exploded inside his house.
Unfortunately a woman was hurt in the blast, however I'm hardly saddened by the terrorist killing himself trying to make a bomb. In fact, I'm rather pleased. A terrorist killing himself, and only himself, should be awarded 72 virgins and the state of martyrdom.
Cross-posted at In the Bullpen
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Are you kidding? that's super!!! Wish more would do it. With all the weapons cache we've already found, how can they possibly have so much?
Lovw it!
Cindy
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Bin Laden Releases Tape to Boycott Iraq Elections
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CAIRO, Egypt - In an audiotape broadcast Monday by Al-Jazeera satellite television, a man purported to be Osama bin Laden endorsed Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi as his deputy in Iraq and called for a boycott of next month's elections there.
The voice on the tape described al-Zarqawi as the "emir," or prince, of al-Qaida in Iraq and said Muslims there should "listen to him."
The man speaking on the tape also referred to an October statement in which al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian, declared allegiance to bin Laden and changed his group's name to al-Qaida in Iraq. The speaker called that "a great step on the path of unifying all the mujahedeen in establishing the state of righteousness and ending the state of injustice."
The statements by Bin Laden show more and more his intentions on switching to a diplomat rather than a terrorist. While the key to the statement, as translated at least, is the following phrase:
a great step on the path of unifying all the mujahedeen in establishing the state of righteousness and ending the state of injustice
The state of righteousness is in fact an Islamic state, but more correctly termed as the return to the idea of Persia under Islamic rule. It would be a large area of the Middle East, actually all of it if it were true to historical standards, under one government. The government would be an Islamic rule, much like Iran is run under today.
While there have been many people who have tried to explain away Al Qaeda's long-term goals in the Middle East as nothing more than getting rid of infidels, the larger goal of Al Qaeda is in fact a reunification of the Middle East into one country. Of course that country would have to be under Islamic rule where women are stoned and beaten because they can be and where poverty will flourish because of the lack of a quality economic system in an Islamic government.
No Democracy in Iraq would make Bin Laden and his supporters happy. A Democracy puts too much power into the hands of the people. It also, in the eyes of Bin Laden, puts people on the same platform as Allah. Only an Islamic government would, somehow, make a difference between the people of a nation and Allah.
I still question why, using the above, the top leaders of a Islamic nation would not be equal with Allah, however 99.9 percent of Bin Laden's statements and actions have made no sense and contradict each other. Then again, that's the Religion of Peace for you run under the nutbags that too many seem to support.
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This is the second tape naming Al Zarqawi as the head of Al Qaeda in Iraq. And threatening Iraqi's - why? Does Osama or Abu want to be president of Iraq? Their country to do whatever they want in it? Do you think the Iraqi's will listen to this garbage from these killer terrorists? For their own sakes, I hope not.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 27, 2004 02:37 PM (D39Vm)
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WOW...I DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING FROM BIN
Posted by: MOWHAMHEAD at December 27, 2004 06:26 PM (kmZ4I)
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Funniest of the funny. Right wing conservatives performing leftist analysis on Al-Queda...
Posted by: dirtyangel at December 27, 2004 09:46 PM (9axDF)
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(Failed) Psyops for dummies, lesson 1.
One:
Bush breaks silence on bin Laden
December 31, 2004
The US President, George Bush, has taken the unusual step of responding to one of Osama bin Laden's taunting tape recordings, declaring that bin Laden's recent call for Iraqis to boycott the elections next month "make the stakes of this pretty clear to me".
"His vision of the world is where people don't participate in democracy," Mr Bush said of bin Laden. "His vision of the world is one in which there is no freedom of expression, freedom of religion and/or freedom of conscience. And that vision stands in stark contrast to the vision of, by far, the vast majority of Iraqis."
(This is for US domestic consumption exclusively)
Two:
Differences among Muslims be exploited: US study's recommendation
SAN FRANCISCO, Dec 27: A new study of the Rand Corporation - a leading US think tank - advocates that Sunni, Shia and Arab, non-Arab divides should be exploited to promote the US policy objectives in the Muslim world.
The recently released Rand study - titled "US Strategy in the Muslim World After 9/11" - has been conducted on behalf of the Deputy Chief of Staff for Air and Space Operations, US Air Force.
One of the primary objective of the study was to "identify the key cleavages and fault lines among sectarian, ethnic, regional, and national lines and to assess how these cleavages generate challenges and opportunities for the United States."
Three:
Alliance could cost bin Laden:
But for bin Laden, the alliance comes at a price: He is now tied to a man directing bomb attacks against IraqÂ’s majority Shiite Muslims as well as Americans.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6759167/
(I suppose this is not meant exclusively for US domestic purposes, but the dividing strategy will not work, in fact it will much sooner achieve the opposite.)
Obviously all tapes are either false or manipulated and serve US tactical purposes as should be already clear from the contence and timing always exactly serving one or other purpose of the Bush administration.
Reality is in all probability bin Laden died in december 2001 and "Zarqawi" most probably died somewhere in march 2003, maybe even earlier than that. The rest of the stories are as elusive as the WMD arsenals of former US sock puppet Saddam Hussein.
My advice would be not too overstretch this message-from-Goldstein bullshit as the last bit of pysops worth is slowly diminishing to zero with every new release.
Posted by: Oebermass at January 02, 2005 05:21 AM (ld0LQ)
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I like Oebermass's assumption that Bin Laden is dead. I've always intertained that thought. However, the (experts) ha! keep saying the tapes are real and up to date. Any info out there?
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Al Qaeda Plotting Attack in London
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A secret intelligence report has revealed that security chiefs believe al-Qaeda may target New Year celebrations across Britain, The Telegraph has learned.
The document, which has been distributed to every military base in Britain warns that "crowded places or events" are under "a severe threat" of attack from terrorist bombers. The report, which is marked "restricted", is understood to have been compiled by military intelligence specialists, MI5 and Special Branch officers.
Under the heading "International Terrorism", the report warns that military personnel and establishments within the Government Security Zone in central London, which includes Horse Guards in Whitehall, and Buckingham and St James's Palaces, face a "substantial" threat of attack. It says military bases across the country are also facing a similar threat.
The report, which is part of a monthly security update for the armed forces, adds that the threat "comes from al-Qaeda and associated terrorist groups". It continues: "Targeting against US and UK interests both at home and abroad remains a priority for al-Qaeda. Their attacks - including the Madrid train bombings in March - have been against soft targets with the aim of creating as many casualties as possible."
The investigations by MI5 have disrupted Al Qaeda plots in England before. I only hope this investigation has done the same because they arrested 10 Al Qaeda suspects just last week. In September, the Leader of the Commons (Peter Hain) warned of an Al Qaeda plot to detonate a dirty bomb in Westminister. While these two may be entirely unrelated, it does give reason for pause.
Cross-posted at In the Bullpen
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I'm a Londoner and from my experience 'secret intelligence report' leaks such as this are basically just the UK's covert equivalent of America's colour-coded threat alerts.
After the desired effect of a contained but real panic is achieved, i.e. within a few days time, it'll be revealed how flimsy the evidence that prompted this threat was (of course that latter piece of news isn't covered nearly as thoroughly by the media).
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>they arrested 10 Al Qaeda suspects just last week
....did they??? I don't remember anything about that in domestic news
Posted by: Martin at December 27, 2004 11:48 AM (ll2pj)
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Coo! Blimey! I've lost me 'ead!
There really is no such thing as evil people, no bombs, I am a crazy britisher, stiff upper lip and all tha'!
Scuse me whilst I bury me 'ead in the sand.
I dont know much really, but since I'm British I'll speak with authority about EVERYTHING!
I'm so damned smart, then, arent I? Well, it is '
July 7th, 2005 and it looks like you (of course) were wrong. It just took longer than you thought, didnt it, then? And do you know why? Because the people in authority were doing a great job on arresting those arses and kept them from their dirty work! N, of course now you will say, Oh, look what a terrible job they did! But YOU didnt want them to arrest anybody, now, did ya then?
You dont know if you are coming or going because your whole outlook is the same as a little kid.
When are you going to grow up?
Tom
Posted by: Tom at July 07, 2005 10:25 AM (N5S5I)
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i think what these people do is horrific and disgusting and they dont think about innocent lives they are just selfish
Posted by: anonymous at July 07, 2005 12:04 PM (XfUdJ)
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that tom person is a bit of a cunt now, he is probly one of those american patriots
"im american and im a dumb ass fat geriatric fuck and i dont know what end is my arse and what end is my head cos shit seems to come outta both ends'
tom grow up you cunt the brits are a million times better than america
FASCIST COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!
and you ruined our language, go burn in your christianty hell with you NRA ass lovers
Posted by: tommy gun at July 07, 2005 01:20 PM (uOgL8)
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i think all ilegal immagrents should not be allowed in this country and should also be sent home!! i am only 13 and not at all racist in any way, but i have grown to know that al qaeda are in our country, living on our social, taking our tax, but still have plans to bomb us!! Its time tony blair stopped being such a sissy and own up to the probelems we have in this country! In my school we have illegal immagrents and they pretend not to able to speak english, but today, when a boy in my class was winding lul up (one of the imegrents) she said to him the worst swearwords on easrth, but yet said she didnt understand when it came to work!! i think the england and the u.k are fed up with being 3rd class citezens and foreigners in our own country.
amie x
Posted by: amie gazzard at July 07, 2005 01:55 PM (rr3CE)
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Amie:
Excuse by my english to me.I try write in your idiom for you.
I am latinoamerican and I live there. I think you realy are racist with only 13 year. Is not your fault. When the world is divided in very rich and extra poor, the last want to go rich`s country . Why very much countries are poor?. I question you. Why very much peoples dont have you same religion? I think you will say: it does not matter to me.I only want they to go at your countries.
Then you could come back to UK.
Posted by: saludos at July 08, 2005 07:27 AM (qEBes)
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Is it just me, or is the bombing of Britons provoking a stronger affective response than did the bombing of Spanish people?
Posted by: chirurgia estetica at August 03, 2005 09:51 AM (eqOC/)
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it is not correct to say that all muslims are terrorists yet all terrorists are muslim and it is the backin that they gain from their community which has led up to the events of all the terror attacks all over the world. all the ectremists should be shot or deported as they live in their petty minded world; ignorant of the suffering they cause.
Posted by: Rebeca at August 10, 2005 09:19 AM (bbeZf)
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rebeca wat you say is true but is it really worthy to shoot people. i am a muslim but i dont agree to any of the things which most of my religion says as its just so right winged. im geting dizzy niow what medicine is the best for that
Posted by: Mariam at August 10, 2005 09:22 AM (bbeZf)
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Shia Leader Dodges Suicide Bomber
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The head of IraqÂ’s leading Shia Muslim political party narrowed escaped assassination today when a suicide car bomber blew himself up outside his headquarters, killing 15 people and wounding dozens more.
The attempt on the life of Ayatollah Abdel Aziz al-Hakim, the head of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (Sciri) came just five weeks before the countryÂ’s first post-war elections, which were today plunged into fresh chaos as the main Sunni political party said it would boycott the polls.
Question of the day. If you launch a martyrdom operation and actually miss your target yet still kill 15 innocent bystandards, do you get 72 virgins or do you get laughed at by your terrorist friends?
Cross-posted at In the Bullpen
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one has to wonder, will we ever be able to have a major holiday again without threat alerts, warnings, and heightened tension? And, if not, at what point will we all become apathetic and the wornings become so routine that they barely evoke headlines? (We may be there now.)
Thoughts? Swing by my site.
-W
Posted by: George W at December 27, 2004 12:14 PM (PJ4Iq)
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Excellent question. Maybe those innocent bystanders get the 72 vigins (yeah right) but I'd like to think this suicide bomber ended up kissing Allah's ass right before Allah himself turned around and kicked him into an open pit and even though he didn't kill his intended target, I'd like to see the other terrorists laugh but more likely considered it a great action since so many others were killed. And you can bet they filmed this man saying goodbye to his family, getting in a car full of bombs, smiling away, the car exploding from a distance as they pass by.
There is so much they could do to stop this but that would mean no vehicles on the road except for military and police. Anyone else on the road is a terrorist - kill it.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 27, 2004 12:27 PM (D39Vm)
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You only need to kill one (1) to get the girls. This is why we need more boots ont the ground! Needed them 18 months ago. Gen Zinni and the rest of the Navy were right, Rummy was wrong. The car bomb was a success because of all the coverage it got in the MSM; which as an American is a shame.But the MSM has been antiAmerican for at least 45 years, whats new?
Rod Stanton
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Posted by: Rod Stanton at December 27, 2004 12:31 PM (tHUgl)
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Chad,
the entire videotape of this suicide bombing is out on video but I have yet to find it.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 27, 2004 02:38 PM (D39Vm)
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Rod,
It's really not up to Rumsfeld. If the commanders on the ground, the Generals running the show and the Joint Chiefs think that we have enough troops, it goes no further than that. If the commanders on the ground and the generals on the ground and other places running the show said we needed more boots on the ground, it would then go to Runsfeld and he would make sure that the commanders got what they wanted. If they aren't asking, there is no way he's going to know either way. I've seen tons of interviews with those on the ground and every single one of them said, we have enough troops. If we don't have enough troops, sir, that info would get right up there to Rumsfeld and he'd waste no time in getting more troops to Iraq. The problem is with those on the ground.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 27, 2004 03:24 PM (D39Vm)
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I find the decision of the main Sunni political party to boycott the elections troubling but, I think that since they legally regisitered to run, their party should still be placed on the ballot. And, they should be made aware of same. That way they will be pressured to save face on election day by getting their people to the polls.
From what I understand "face" is extremely important in the Islamic world and this concept could be used as leverage.
Posted by: babs at December 27, 2004 03:32 PM (N0VNN)
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So now the members of the religion of peace are killing each other. Okay. May they have a successful day.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 02, 2005 07:10 AM (eLjJa)
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Two Al Qaeda Terrorists Arrested in Iraq
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BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. forces captured two senior figures in al-Qaida's branch in Iraq, the U.S. military said Saturday, and one of Turkey's richest businessmen was reported kidnapped, appearing in a video along with a weeping employee saying they were being held hostage.
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The U.S. Marines said Saturday they captured two men who led cells in Anbar province for Jordanian terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's Al-Qaida in Iraq network. The province is a center for the insurgency and home to the cities of Ramadi and Fallujah.
A Marines statement identified the men as Saleh Arugayan Kahlil and Bassim Mohammad Hazeem. Their cells kidnapped and executed 11 Iraqi National Guardsmen, carried out car bombings and other attacks in the Ramadi area and "smuggled foreign terrorists into the country," the Marines said.
"This group is responsible for intimidating, attacking and murdering innocent Iraqi civilians, Iraqi police and security forces, and business and political leaders throughout the Unbar province," the statement said.
Great news concerning the capture of two Al Qaeda members directly ties to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's group 'Al Qaeda in Iraq' (Tawhid wal Jihad). My only concern is that the matter was publicized which could effect any interrogation tactics that should be used to find the leadership of the group responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Iraqis and many non-Iraqis including the beheadings of Jack Hensley, Eugene Armstrong and Nicholas Berg among others.
Cross-posted at In the Bullpen
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There's one thing not in the story and has been hardly played on tv except for a bit here and there but approximately 15 US Marines have died there over the last week. Nine were ambushed at once and killed.
Very dangerous out there in that deadland. (it sort of goes off to the left like a bulge). I'm not sure catching anyone is going to give you the answers you seek about those beheadings because each one was done by a different group. Plus what we don't also know is bodies of many "westerners" have been found but they don't know who they are and just how many of them there really is. The Marines over there in the Anbar province are in great danger but they still do it and it's not easy to get help out there, although they did call in bomb coverage the other day. This occurances get mentioned but are moved on so fast, many never learn about these deaths.
There is a poem written somewhere here on one of the blogs who carried it from a National Guard who flies planes for refuling when all of a sudden he got a change in orders to bring back to the states 26 Marines and what he wrote how they were put on the plane; how they were protected in the plane, the ceremonial aspects of them taken off the plane and into family mortuary cars was amazing. Everyone should read it. Maybe it's not a poem; just a story of one man's experience and it takes your breath away.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 27, 2004 12:44 PM (D39Vm)
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Turkish Businessman Taken Hostage
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ANKARA, Turkey - One of Turkey's richest businessmen said he has been kidnapped in Iraq, appearing in a video aired Saturday alongside one of his weeping employees and saying they were being treated well by their captors.
Kahraman Sadikoglu, president of the Istanbul-based Tuzla Shipyard, and ship captain Ahmet Yurtdas had not been heard from since they left the southern Iraqi city of Basra by land on Dec. 16, according to their families.
The footage did not say who was holding the two men or mention demands.
Several newspapers said a ransom demand of $25 million had been made, but Foreign Ministry officials and family members of the hostages refused to confirm the reports.
"Today is Dec. 23. We were captured four or five days ago," Sadikoglu said on the videotape, broadcast on Turkish television. "We're fine and they will check us out, what we're doing here, and will hopefully release us. God is Great."
Sadikoglu said he was working for the United Nations and the Iraqi government on a project clearing harbors of sunken ships. "We don't have any problems with the Iraqi government, we're creating jobs and food for the Iraqis," he said. "If that is a crime too, then we will accept the punishment."
Hopefully Sadikoglu will be freed and if the reports indicating a ransom has been called for, his release is more probable. He was however working to better lives of Iraqis and pursue Democracy inside of Iraq therefore he is a target as designated by the two main terrorist groups in Iraq.
With a growing hostage trade, though it has quieted down significantly since the U.S. and Iraqi forces cleared Fallujah, Sadikoglu may end up in the hands of terrorists who could care less about money and only care about making a statement by beheading anyone helping Iraqis.
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Chad, Do you know what area of Iraq these people were snatched from?
I saw a poll recently asking people what country do they think is really interfering in Iraq? I felt Syria and Iran but most votes went to Turkey. I'm trying to figure out why Turkey, especially since they helped us and the coalition forces come in and out of that area of Iraq at the beginning of the war, so how can Turkey be the most serious country interfering in this war????? doh..
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 27, 2004 01:26 PM (D39Vm)
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Dear Dr. Shamsudeen Usman
You talked to me with my cellular telphone today, 12.5.05, on 5 minutes to 17:00. I gave you my fax number and you sent me your letter by fax.
I have a startup company for investment. I want to check if you are real and fair because we got a lot of problems from people from nigeria who wanted to make extortion on us in Israel. Therefore, please tell me my two numbers that you know, that I can understand that you are the person that you talked to me, and we shall say everything in email.
Posted by: Dr. Yoram Shimrony at May 12, 2005 03:51 PM (OEO61)
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Bloody nigerian fraudsters with their greedy little corrupt black hands.
Posted by: No Nigerians at June 21, 2005 02:36 AM (Tg2F7)
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Suicide Bomber Not Iraqi National Guard Soldier
The suicide bomber who attacked the mess hall in Mosul, Iraq was
not a member of the Iraqi National Guard according to a top Iraqi General. Ansar al-Sunnah
released a video of the attack which I've been unable to locate at present. Two of their sites have been taken down and the exact placement of the video is not known.
The bomber is believed to have recieved help from moles working inside the base, entering the main gate wearing an Iraqi National Guard uniform with the help of a guard. He was able to enter the base with a police identification under the premise of fixing air conditioning units.
General Babaker B. Shawkat Zebari also commented upon Syria's role in feeding the terrorism within Iraq.
Zebari said foreign fighters are still entering Iraq from Syria.
"I don't know if the (Syrian) government is closing its eyes or the terrorists are finding their ways to cross," he said.
Zibari said six Arabs using forged Iraqi identity cards and carrying explosives were detained near the Syrian border on Thursday.
His comments came a day after Najaf's police commander, Ghaleb al-Jazaeri, said they detained an Iraqi who confessed to receiving training in a camp in Syria under the supervision of a Syrian military officer. The detainee is suspected in a bombing in Najaf this month that killed 54 people.
Ansar al-Sunnah, the terrorist group claiming responsibility for the Mosul attack, allegedly consists primarily of Iraqis however there has been a growing amount of evidence pointing to many foreigners joining the ranks of the group. Syria of course has housed, indoctrinated, armed and equiped terrorists heading into Iraq for months now with the government of Syria either looking the other direction or fueling the fire.
Update:
The video of the Ansar al-Sunnah suicide bombing in the U.S. mess hall in Mosul can be downloaded here, courtesy of Global Terror Alert.
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Chad, you should be able to find it under "www.terroristmedia.com" but it's just a message spoken by someone with particularly good english. I didn't know which video you were specifically looking for but it should be on that site. It's not hard to navigate but they had to change their format due to so many people giving them a hard time.
I hope the soldiers in Mosul (said like Mo zul) send these asshats to their martyrdom read soon.
Cindy
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I am familiar with the site and it was not on there when I checked this morning.
Posted by: Chad at December 26, 2004 11:33 AM (F6dAB)
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Chad, I found it but Rusty has that site shut off for some reason; he uses it too. How do I send it to you?
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 26, 2004 11:42 AM (D39Vm)
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I posted the website on your blog.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 26, 2004 11:46 AM (D39Vm)
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Hey Chad, get with it. We caught two more biggies from the Al Qaeda camp. Was in my paper this a.m. Maybe we can interrogate these two bastards, and find out where Zarcoward and Osama are holed up????
Posted by: Laura at December 26, 2004 12:56 PM (ptOpl)
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The real problem here is we have too few grunts. Both in the war and at home. A lack of fighters makes any threats to either Syria or Iran a dumb, meaningless gesture. So we dont. They in turn continue to aid our attackers and in the process disrupt our drive to freedom for Iraq. We need to reactivate the 4th and 5th Marine Divisions now. Then send the 2nd and 3rd Divisions to the war; not necessarily Iraq or Afghanistan.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at December 26, 2004 03:37 PM (tHUgl)
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I would like a copy of the video !! ( Mosul base attack )
Posted by: josh wright at December 26, 2004 06:34 PM (effdX)
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Rod - good to see you again, Marine. You don't think the Iran is going to be part of the "conflct" someday soon in the future?
On the Syrian borner they have chicken wire up and soldiers placed here and there. It must be a very boring job for these guys but if someone wanted to pass through, they probably could do it fairly easy once they knew the schedule of those guard soldiers. Iran is more porous and that's a hard line to protect.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 26, 2004 06:36 PM (D39Vm)
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Yo put conflict in quotes yourself, heh
Posted by: dirtyangel at December 26, 2004 09:43 PM (9axDF)
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So I put the word "conflict" in quotes. So what? I do that to make a word stick out - for they are part of the conflict. Check a map.
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Josh, the video is linked but it's stupid and it doesnt show anything. You see the cowards covered in black and using a knife, click on certain parts of a map of the base in Mosul, then it switches to going by the street and seeing the hole in the roof of the mess tent. Nothing to see but plenty to do.
I think we should ban video camera's over there, too. Mosul has been locked down tight because after Falluja, there's Baghdad, then Mosul. Behind Mosul you end up in the mountainous region of Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan all blended into one.
Then you have the Anbar province where they are also doing a lot of damage. If you look at a map of Iraq, it's the bulbous area to the left of the country.
So as to the video there is nothing to see and the only thing worthwhile to see is the detailed map of the base in Mosul. Even embedded reporters did not film this, they waited.
Know what really bugs me, too. When the worst get to Germany, there are hundreds of reporters and their cameras there trying to get a glimpse of the wounded. Because of that, you'll have service men and women lining up along the side so you can't see who's coming out of the plane, to preserve their privacy and those of their families. Want to do something good - help out the famiy folks of those who died,, and those who were injured and help out the troops in Fort Lewis, WA where most of them came from; donate funds to build more strykers units; join the service and go over and help.
We see all the bad stuff. On Christmas Day, I watched FOX and saw all the good stuff with tears pouring down my face. Rod, you know that the only people who will request more troops are the commanders on the ground and they feel they have enough, so until they say the word, more divisions probably won't be going over. I know a group going over after the first of the year to train Iraqi's as military men. It's a secret where they'll be doing just that but I do agree that more soldiers need to be sent over.
I hate war. I hate this war because you cannot tell the bad guys from the good guys. Wish they didn't look like civilians and wore uniforms and weren't such cowards that they had to cover their faces. I remember when CBFTW wrote about the MEN IN BLACK, a poster said I hope you find that store that's carrying those black hoods and blow it up.":-)
Cindy
The daughter of a Marine in Korea
The widow of a Green Berets, Special Forces specialized, secretized soldier from vietnam
A sister of a brother who was in the Air Force Reserve for 10 years
A sister of a late brother who was also in the Air Force during Vietnam
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 27, 2004 01:22 PM (D39Vm)
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I cant believe this is the sort of Bullshit our
soldiers are having to put up with..... getting blown
up just trying to get a descent meal! We need to keep up
the pressure on these Fucking Cowards,get the elections
held, and get the FUCK OUT of this ridiculous Country
Posted by: Mighty Whitey at December 27, 2004 05:53 PM (sXM84)
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Or level it altogether, since most of the civilians are gone anyway.
Posted by: Laura at December 28, 2004 06:22 PM (ptOpl)
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Saudi Reporter: U.S. Steals Iraqi's Organs
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"Secret European military intelligence reports indicate the transformation of the American humanitarian mission in Iraq into a profitable trade in the American markets through the practice of American physicians extracting human organs from the dead and wounded, before they are put to death, for sale to medical centers in America. A secret team of American physicians follow the troops during their attacks on Iraqi armed men to ensure quick [medical] operations for extracting some organs and transferring them to private operations rooms before they are transferred to America for sale.
"The reports confirm the finding of tens of mutilated cadavers or cadavers missing parts. Some were found without a head. The American military command could not offer reasons to explain the bewilderment about the missing parts, suggesting that this may have been caused by the penetration of bullets to the [missing] parts. But these excuses cannot be medically accepted. The reports also confirmed that the burning of bodies was deliberate in order to conceal the crime of organ extraction. [The reports] further indicate that American medical teams have [made] active and suspicious moves in Iraq to recruit some Iraqis to guide them to dead and critically injured individuals to engage in the extraction of organs. These teams offer $40 for every usable kidney and $25 for an eye. The reports confirm the finding of mutilated bodies in Fallujah. The reports indicate that the cadavers are immunized inside special cars to prevent the spread of the plague until the bodies are buried by their relatives.
What nonsense. Has a head ever been able to or even wanted to be transplanted? This follows a report where a television show in Iran accused
Israel of stealing Palestinian children's eyes (via
Gamblog).
I fully understand the need for a nation to demonize the enemy and of course this is nothing new. It happens on both sides of a war. During the Cold War for instance similar theories were written to demonize the United States.
My only question is this. Can't those who are trying to demonize the United States be a bit more realistic than this?
Cross-posted at In the Bullpen
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Can they be more realistic? Of course not. Claims like this should make the world understand what a backward bunch of idiots they are. Just think, their own people are stupid enough to believe it. So what does that make their own people? A bit lower on the evolutionary scale. Heh!! I just discovered the missing link.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 24, 2004 10:04 AM (4Pc3X)
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We need to take down sites that broadcast such shit. Where we can not physically reach the transmitter, jam the signals. There is no international first ammendment, and there is a right to respond to an attack.
Posted by: Gene 6-Pack at December 24, 2004 12:03 PM (7XPVo)
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What American hospitals got these organs? Then who were the Americans at these hospitals that had them put in? Name names. Give some specifics! Looks to me like another Rathergate.
Rod Stanton'
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Posted by: Rod Stanton at December 24, 2004 12:35 PM (tHUgl)
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Lots of real things that have happened in the world may seem ludicrous.
If I'd have gone up to you on Sep 10th 2001 and said.....
Posted by: Martin at December 24, 2004 05:25 PM (ll2pj)
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Easy, guys. If you're going to fight for men's rights to free speech you've got to respect all men's rights, not just the ones wearing your colors.
Mind you, the Dr. Mengala story being broadcast here is insanely stupid (who wants to Google for the shelf life of a fresh organ on ice?) and shouldn't be given credence, but still. Bomb the broadcast towers and jam the signals? You'll just make them think they're on the right track the way you're trying to suppress their speech.
Lies can only hurt you if you give people a reason to believe them.
Posted by: Michael at December 24, 2004 10:45 PM (qOCoy)
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We steal the organs we can use. Perhaps we make pastries out of the rest? Hmmm . . . where have I heard this sort of libel before. Why of course. The Saudi press.
And Michael, I do have to offer a bit of disagreement. Lies can hurt you, if other people believe them. If some 13 year old Palestinian kid straps on a bomb because he believes the lies, as well as the ones about the virgins and candy waiting on the other side.
We have to counter the lies with the truth. A lie that goes unanswered is often believed, and it can, indeed, kill us.
Posted by: The Colossus at December 25, 2004 10:12 AM (ouHVA)
Posted by: qpr jon at December 25, 2004 12:10 PM (CYzuz)
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Oh man, who is spreading this garbage? This cannot be true; who is spreading this kind of rumors? Being an organ donor is a wonderful thing. I was once one till I realize that someone with my disease could not be a donor. I cannot believe that anyone could humanly go around and steal organs for aay reason -that is not how it's done. These people are so behind medically and it takes a lot of know-how to match the person with the donor. How could this really be true?
I've been through this process myself so how could this backwards asshat have that kind of knowledge?
You know, maybe it's it not that all - maybe what they are doing is just mutilating bodies?? Making the excuse of organ donorship is a front to what they are doing out of mutilation? They just have the capability of this very sensitive and well prepared organ donorship, especilly those who know ins and outs of this surgery with the first being time.
do these people have that iced up lunchbox, a helicopter standing by? a donor ready for and prepared? I doubt it but why mutiliate them after the person it is dead like that? I know too much about tranplants to believe that this is really happening - it seems to me it's more of a mutilation thing but that is my own personal opinion.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 26, 2004 12:24 AM (D39Vm)
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This still boggles my mind... what are the Saudi's trying to hide by making up such stories?
The other day, the Saudi's beheaded their 31st drug trafficker. Once these guys are convicted, the next day they are beheaded. (not in the way Al Qaeda groups have done their hostages). How do they get away with this kind of punishment? And the other types of punishment in all those countries do and is accepted? All of it is so inhumane.
just curious.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 26, 2004 06:42 PM (D39Vm)
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The moment we want to believe something, we suddenly see all the arguments for it, and become blind to the arguments against it.
Every one of you said Saudi this, Saudi that, do you ask how do they get the information.
"Secret European military intelligence reports"
Think! Think!! Think!!!
Posted by: J. O. at December 28, 2004 09:44 AM (+x3cT)
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i think these saudi muslims(mutawas) are sick motherfuckers who could be so brutal in life. i had a tuff time there. i m gay and feminine. i think if one appears gay there, he has a high chance to get arrested. these mutawaas were folloing me when i was shopping in the malls. i was wearing a feminine top and a low waste jeans. first they thought i m a female and then they thoguht i m not. the followed me fast and i could sense it. i ran off to my hotel. checked out and took a flight back to my country India where i dont have to face all these stupid laws. one of the mutawas even winked his eyes to me and indirectly wanted to propose me for sex. see how funny, they arrest gays and yet want to shag with them. They are simply sick bastards who dont have principles in life...They should be mass killed.
Nikki
Posted by: Nikki at May 12, 2005 11:36 PM (cN2XJ)
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I am a mom of 2 girls with heart transplants. Such garbage like this Saudi reporter presents should have immediate front-page rebuttals, showing what idiocy this propaganda is. So many people await organs and many die waiting. These people don't need this kind of defamatory stuff out there, as it may persuade some to not become organ donors, thinking some hanky-panky goes on in the process.
If not for organ donors, 2 of my children wouldn't be here today.
Posted by: Susan at June 30, 2005 12:21 PM (Jlies)
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Terrorist Website Admits Own Deaths
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CAIRO, Egypt - A posting on an Islamic Web site Friday made a rare admission of significant casualties among insurgents fighting U.S. forces in Iraq, saying 24 guerrillas, most of them non-Iraqi Arabs, were killed in battles in Fallujah the day before.
The posting on a site known as a clearinghouse for militant Muslim statements said three hours of fighting in Fallujah on Thursday resulted in the "martyrdom" of 24 fighters from different Islamic factions, 19 of them from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Egypt, Syria and Jordan. The rest were said to be Iraqis.
This is a rare admission, however it is interesting to note the countries of origin of the terrorists killed. Certain "intellectuals" and politicians would like you to believe the fighters in Iraq are Iraqis while Iraq's own government acknowledges many are foreign born.
Cross-posted at In the Bullpen
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Why is it that (official, ha, lol) news agencies never discover anything until 6 months after the obvious? Rare admission, yes, however nothing new.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 24, 2004 10:10 AM (4Pc3X)
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I think that most of us and our government does indeed know that these terrorists are not Iraqi's but they are Arabs so they can blend in as easy as any Iraqi individual.
What's most important right now is when are the Iraqi citizens step up to the plate and fight against these foreign invaders who are not there just to kill Americans, but millions of Iraqi's and they really do need to step up and take responsibility to put an end to terrorists killing them.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 26, 2004 06:50 PM (D39Vm)
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No, it's never been the Iraqi people themseves but sometimes they get coerced into doing something they really do not want to do. The hardliners are from other countries coming over the border and when on another post, I said "nuke em" we'd get most of the terrorists in one place. GreyRooster, I think they already knew that these terrorists were never the Iraqi people from the very beginning, so it's nothing new. What is new are the fights between Sunni's and Shia's not helping matters. Not long ago in Pakistan, a man ran out of one mosque and threw a bomb in the other mosque; a week later, someone from the other mosque ran over and threw a bomb inside the other mosque. Well, Muscharaff put an end to that immediately. One mosque was sunni and the other a shia. Learning about Shia laws is a mind-boggler and will piss you off big time.
Cindy
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MOSUL, Iraq (Reuters) - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld paid U.S. troops in Iraq a surprise Christmas Eve visit after weeks of controversy over his handling of the war and perceived lack of sensitivity to U.S. forces and their families.
Rumsfeld's helicopter tour of Iraq on Friday took him to some of the country's most volatile cities -- Mosul, scene of this week's suicide attack on a U.S. military mess hall; Tikrit, ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's hometown; and Falluja, where U.S. troops battled Iraqi insurgents last month.
His last stop was in Baghdad where he met Iraqi President Ghazi Yawar in the heavily fortified Green Zone before heading to a hospital to visit wounded troops.
In Mosul Rumsfeld visited staff and patients at the 67th Combat Surgical Hospital, which dealt with the casualties from the attack on Tuesday that killed 18 Americans, the deadliest such attack since the war in Iraq began in March 2003.
It is fair game to question whether or not Rumsfeld has done the best job for the country, but it is not fair to question this man's heart with the
autopen "controversey." Clearly the only controversey of the autopen was that it had to do with a man some loathe.
President Bush also called members of our armed forces to wish them a Merry Christmas. I guess someone refered to as a warmongering chimp also has a heart.
Cross-posted at In the Bullpen
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Betcha someone will be out this morning with a negative slant on this. I just can't figure what it will be.
Posted by: Gene 6-Pack at December 24, 2004 12:06 PM (7XPVo)
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First of all, it was the MSM who made a big stink over 2 things that have been out of control, not the soldiers: they love this man!
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 26, 2004 11:51 AM (D39Vm)
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Is it your opinion, Chad, that president Bush is a "warmongering chimp?" If so, then I should hang you upside down, then shoot you.
He has a huge heart, just like Runsfeld himself.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 26, 2004 12:01 PM (D39Vm)
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Cindy, I assume you're joking in making the assumption that was not sarcastic and that I actually believe President Bush is a "warmongering chimp."
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Of course I'm joking, chad! :-)
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 27, 2004 12:53 PM (D39Vm)
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One of the things that happened when Rumsfeld was there that was really funny (remember he was there only 2 weeks ago) was one of the guys gave him Saddam's opium pipe and a box of matches that was taken from Saddam's stash when they found him. He laughed, thought that was great and put the stuff in his pockets. It was wonderful to see the reaction of that gesture. It was also wonderful to see the love, the support and the respect given this man when he surprisedly showed up in Mosul first. Even pinned a purple heart on one of the soldiers in that base's hospital. From There he went to Baghdad by helicopter and as soon as he left, there was that really major car bombing that destroyed everything in a one block radius but he had just left.
Last year, President Bush hid himself under a blanket on the floor of a regular vehichle, without his family knowing it (and it was his fathers 80th birthday) got on a plane and landed in Baghdad Iraq to the full surprise of everyone there and had dinner with them. I though that was so cool. Paul Bremer was the only one who knew he was there and he doled out - either Thanksgiving or Christmas - I think it was Christmas dinner to the troops. Very Cool.
Like Rumsfeld surprise visit, very, very cool since he had only been there two weeks ago. The man may be 72, but he's definitely still very cool.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 27, 2004 01:47 PM (D39Vm)
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Murky Tariq Aziz
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MSNBC reported that former Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz is "ready to name names" and implicate Saddam Hussein in murder. Also reported was that he appeared "frail in orange prison garb and plastic handcuffs."
Today, a report from Xinhua states that Aziz "is unwilling to testify against Saddam Hussein at a future war crimes trial." And, according to his lawyer, Badi Aref Izzat, Aziz is in "good heath [sic] and spirits."
Any questions?
Companion post at Interested-Participant.
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Aziz a professional liar for 20 years. I'm sure better witnesses than he can be found. Testifying against his ex-boss merely shows what a cowardly little shit he is. Hang em both. Should have already been done.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 24, 2004 10:16 AM (4Pc3X)
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