May 23, 2006
U.S. Abu Ghraib Abuser on Trial--Why George Orwell still matters
Jury selection has begun in the Court Martial of Sgt. Santos Cardona, the dog handler shown in the now infamous Abu Ghraib photos. Cardona is one of dozens of soldiers indicted for the Abu Ghraib scandal.
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In a civilized democracy, this his how cases of abuse are handled. Contrast that to those we fight in Iraq--Islamofascists who take hostages, torture, and behead their victims.
There is no equivalence here except in the warped minds of America haters.
A soldier charged with abusing Abu Ghraib detainees with a military working dog went on trial Monday.I've often said that the Left's reaction to abuses by the U.S. military is like turning Jesus' words about a beam in our own eye and a mote in another's on its head: they criticize the minuteness of our wrongs while ignoring the much greater wrongs of our enemies.The case of Sgt. Santos Cardona, 32, is important because his attorney, Harvey Volzer, hopes to prove Cardona was following orders from much further up the chain of command than has been shown so far....
The reaction from the Left over Abu Ghraib brings to mind the words of George Orwell from his classic essay Notes on Nationalism (1945) about pacifists of his time:
Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writings of younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States. Moreover they do not as a rule condemn violence as such, but only violence used in defence of western countries.The real crux of Orwell's essay being that it is not so much that the Left is anti-nationalism as it is that the Left is objectively nationalistic--but that the nations they so often cling to are those other than their own!
So, when defining Anglophobia, Orwell notes that:
During the war it was manifested in the defeatism of the intelligentsia, which persisted long after it had become clear that the Axis powers could not win. Many people were undisguisedly pleased when Singapore fell or when the British were driven out of Greece, and there was a remarkable unwillingness to believe in good news, e.g. el Alamein, or the number of German planes shot down in the Battle of Britain. English left-wing intellectuals did not, of course, actually want the Germans or Japanese to win the war, but many of them could not help getting a certain kick out of seeing their own country humiliated, and wanted to feel that the final victory would be due to Russia, or perhaps America, and not to Britain. In foreign politics many intellectuals follow the principle that any faction backed by Britain must be in the wrong.Oh how so little has changed!
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Amen and Amen.
Just wondering. Who are the witnesses against Sgt Cordova? Could they be terrorists? Of course people who kill, and bomb and cut the heads off innocent U. S. Citizens can certainly be relied on to tell the truth. Especially when accusing a person who has jailed them for the same.
THE GOVERNMENT IS FULL OF BULLSHIT ON THIS ONE. Merely, an attempt to pacify the worthless liberal crybabies. MSN should be on triail as an organization representing the enemy in a time of war.
Posted by: greyrooster at May 23, 2006 04:32 PM (BEvWK)
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Well, yes. The leftists don't want justice, they just want America to lose. They hate America because it was the exemplification of how wrong they are about the world. Capitalism, not socialism, leads to human liberation and prosperity.
They don't want to see socialism win - no, thats already been proven impossible. They just want to see the country that most exemplifies the opposite principles lose. What happens afterwards doesn't matter to them, so long as that is accomplished.
Posted by: MiB at May 23, 2006 04:42 PM (B9sDR)
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Anglo-phobia-- the anti-Americanism of it's day.
Orwell saw it then, and we see it now.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 23, 2006 05:20 PM (8e/V4)
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I see Willie Clinton is being accused of using his willie again. Imagine Slick Willie in the white house again. Caught with his pants down and 8years later hires Monica Lewinsky as an ASSIST ANT. The she monster probably wouldn't mind. That is, as long as he shares.
Democrats always whinning and yelling about what they are against. Never what they are for.
Senator Benson dead today. Awwwwww. All the turkey was ever known for was embarassing another politian on national television.
Posted by: greyrooster at May 23, 2006 05:54 PM (BEvWK)
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There is not one new thing under the sun
Posted by: Howie at May 23, 2006 07:09 PM (D3+20)
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I think it is a little deeper MiB. The last great nation state has to be weakened to allow a one world government. So, the universities are full of left leaning professors, gay marriage, NAMBLA, abortion, morality out the window, etc...
Perhaps, soon we will see if I am close to being correct.
Posted by: Leatherneck at May 23, 2006 07:17 PM (D2g/j)
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Like in ANIMAL FARM dont you think were being bullied by the ruling pigs of the UN?
Posted by: sandpiper at May 23, 2006 09:54 PM (K3hNB)
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Clearly, you guys skipped over "1984".
But hey, go ahead and cherry pick.
Wars have been started that way...
Posted by: Theo at May 24, 2006 04:38 AM (7AEHv)
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Theo, moron, 1984 is about lefturdism, of which you are a carrier, but being an idiot as you are, you can't be expected to see that.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at May 24, 2006 05:39 AM (0yYS2)
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Theo,
1984 is the best argument against Leftardism.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 24, 2006 08:55 AM (8e/V4)
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"cherry pick"
lmao! you Lefties are hopeless.
Posted by: dcb at May 24, 2006 08:57 AM (8e/V4)
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Theo (assuming he's read it) obviously doesn't understand the central premises of 1984, and "endless wars" are instead cherrypicked out of Orwell's text to the support left-wing lunatics Orwell was railing against. Pot, meet Kettle.
Hint: He wasn't writing about the evils of free market capitalism or representative republics (or America, for that matter).
More? http://aredphishhead.blogspot.com/2005/08/1984-and-left.html
Posted by: Good Lt at May 24, 2006 09:31 AM (yT+NK)
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I've read it.
Posted by: Howie at May 24, 2006 10:40 AM (D3+20)
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There certainly is a radical left in this country that is basically against America on general principle. It would be foolish to deny this. But there is also a much larger left-leaning population that wants this kind of nonsense stopped not because we hate America, but because we believe that Americans should be the good guys. That doesn't just mean that we're better than a bunch of murderers in Iraq, but that we're as good as we *can* be. The abuses at Abu Ghraib are an embarrassment to a righteous nation. It's what we *do*, not who we *are*, that makes us worth fighting to preserve. I would see us preserved, but as free men - not as animals. If we're going to become animals then it's better that we disappear.
Posted by: Adam at May 24, 2006 12:24 PM (tlKJH)
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When will we be "good enough," in your estimation?
The Abu Gharib scandal is OVER. GET OVER IT. The Army is prosecuting those involved and it was less than a dozen people. It does not imply that the whole military or country is anything, unless you live in CNN. It's a war, and bad things happen. The difference is that we make amends, while our enemies kill indescriminately, kill civilians and cut off heads. And the Islamists don't whine about it like you whine about our troops, who you admit are better anyway.
Please grow a stronger spine. Nothing personal. :-)
Posted by: Good Lt at May 24, 2006 12:48 PM (jWYAe)
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>>>The abuses at Abu Ghraib are an embarrassment to a righteous nation.
Adam,
On the contrary, Abu Graib is to our credit. The guilty were investigated, indicted and punished.
And this process was in motion BEFORE you Leftwing hate mongers ever got wind of it. Why? Because we are a nation of laws and not of monsters as you Leftwingers would have the world believe of us.
So if the army was already investigating and prossecuting people BEFORE any of you anti-American Leftard do-gooders even heard about it, why did you feel the need to drag America's name through the mud? Precisely BECAUSE you are anti-American, not because you are do-gooders.
You wanted to make sure America PAID for the sins of a few bad apples. Who cares if the bad apples were already being prosecuted. America DESERVES to be dragged through the mud. You people suck.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 24, 2006 02:22 PM (8e/V4)
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you know. I actually came to this site because of the whole Google debacle and i wanted to know what exactly it was that was said on here that was so bad. Some of the other sites seemed to be using racial slurs and generally nasty remarks that anyone with an ounce of integrity would not find themselves resorting to, but this one really seems to simply give an alternate view of events so far i've been impressed with it.
Just one thing, first i wanted to make a comment about this particular post. It's not that pacifists are only against acts of violence coming from western countries. True pacifists are against all forms of violence which is why it appears to people who feel that violence by their side is justified that any pacifist who doesn't advocate it must be on the other side (since both sides are committing violent acts). What they fail to realize is that pacifists are outside of that argument all-together.
Also i'm amazed at some of the talk on here. "Lefties"? Just the sound of that leaves a bad taste in my mouth and i'm not even a democrat. It reminds me of the way that i used to hear the people in my neighborhood say the word "nigger." It just sounds so dismissive as to say that someones ideals have no value and are not worth considering. I mean i find myself here learning about your views and taking your thoughts into consideration as i try to do for all people. The idea that because i am the type of person who cares enough about his fellow human being to care about what they think that MY views are therefore irrellevant...just seems fascist. Maybe the "lefties" were right about you people maybe you don't actually care about what's best for the people as you claim to, maybe you only care about what you think is best for YOU!
Posted by: carbonautomoton at May 24, 2006 02:30 PM (ABB7P)
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We are the good guys dumbass, and if you can't see that, move your stupid ass to Cuba.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at May 24, 2006 04:12 PM (0yYS2)
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>>>>Maybe the "lefties" were right about you people maybe you don't actually care about what's best for the people as you claim to, maybe you only care about what you think is best for YOU!
How bout letting THE PEOPLE decide what's best for the people instead of activist Liberals elites using the courts to shove down our throats what's allegedly good for the people.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 24, 2006 06:54 PM (8e/V4)
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Adam so disappear. You first and I'll follow.
Friggin idiot.
Posted by: greyrooster at May 26, 2006 09:52 PM (pfOwp)
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