August 13, 2005

The REAL Iraq - al Qada link

Did the 9/11 Commission Report leave out mention of Iraqi agents arrested in Germany that could link Mohammed Atta's Hamburg cell of al Qaeda and the Saddam Hussein's regime?

Captain Ed had made this speculation earlier here, not claiming that such a link existed but only that this needs further investigation.

I replied in this earlier post that maybe this should be looked into, but that the speculation that such ties could exist were unwarrented by the facts.

He in turn put up another post on the subject, this time wondering whether or not the evidence for Mohammed Atta meeting with an Iraqi agent in Prague ought to be looked at again.

Captain Ed and I have been going back and forth on this both in the comments section here and through e-mail. The gist of what Ed was saying was that in light of the Able Danger revelations, it is possible that the 9/11 Commission was predisposed to leave out certain bits of evidence that would run contrary to their findings. It is a good observation, one that I would agree with, but on the grounds that that is just par for the course in any type of research that has to sift through tons of data points.

Another valid point he makes is that his earlier post simply calls for an investigation into what the Iraqi agents were doing in Germany--with a bit of speculation thrown in their to boot. Fine by me. The 9/11 Commission Report is a flawed document just like all other government reports. It is not the final word on 9/11 and those that treat it as such fail to grasp the enormity of the task the Commission had under time constraints. I suspect the next twenty years will produce countless dissertations on the subject by Ph.D. candidates, each one contributing a new piece of information to the overall story of the attrocities that took place on that day.

One of the points that I made to Ed in an e-mail was regarding the validity of his source and his interpretation of the story. My objection was simply that an English synopsis of an Arabic newspaper in Germany may not be the most reliable source. Especially when that source claims the CIA was brought to Germany--something that I am sure they could not have known. My experience with Arabic papers is that any person wearing a business suit and working for the U.S. in any peripheral capacity can be accused of being a 'CIA Agent'.

Ed took up the challenge, and lo and behold, one of his army of readers was able to produce a corraborating account. So, according to MSM reports at the time, we have two Iraqi spies caught in Germany. The non-Arabic sources also mention nothing about the CIA or FBI getting involved and also nothing about a plot for Iraq to involve itself with fundamentalist Islamic terror groups to strike at US interests.

Ed is right that it would be nice to know what those Iraqi spies were doing in Germany. I second the motion. I'm not sure that such knowlege would have improved the 9/11 Report in any fundamental way, but it might have.

To imagine, though, that the fact that there were Iraqi agents in Germany somehow may be the missing link connecting Saddam Hussein to 9/11 is grasping at straws, in my opinion. Many of us on the right would like to believe that such a connection existed because we believe that that would somehow bolster support for the war. But the justness or unjustness of the Iraq invasion ultimately does not rest on whether or not the Baathist regime had anything to do with 9/11.

Further, the war we are fighting in Iraq now is a different war than the one we fought to overthrow the Hussein regime. It is not simply another phase of the same conflict, it is a different war. We are fighting different people and we now have different goals. In the invasion of Iraq we had the goal of toppling a hostile government that we had been at war with for a decade. Now, we are fighting Islamist jihadis engaged in a struggle to build a Taliban-like state in the vacuum created by the fall of the Baathists.

The second conflict is directly connected to 9/11. We do not need to look to a German Iraq-al Qaeda connection to see this, we simply need to look at the facts as they exist on the ground right now.

What is the name the jihadis have taken on themselves in Iraq? Al Qaeda. Who have they pledged their allegiance to? Osama bin Laden. The three main insurgent groups in Iraq (al Qaeda, The Army of Ansar al-Sunnah, and The Islamic Army in Iraq) all share the same general political philosophy as the Taliban and Osama bin Laden. All are part of the network of global jihad. They are our enemies and it they who we are fighting in Iraq today.

We are fighting al Qaeda in Iraq, today. Unfortunately, many in the MSM do not understand the nature of the enemy in Iraq. To concede Iraq to these terrorist forces would be to create a nation state parrhia just like Afghanistan. Iraq would become the next place where large-scale jihadi training camps would operate openly.

We do not need to rewrite history to create a link between Iraq and 9/11. But if we wish to prevent another 9/11 attack from happening again, we must begin by making sure Iraq does not fall to the hands of al Qaeda terrorists who would love nothing more than to create another safe haven from which they could operate.

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1 Doesn't matter if there was a link or not, it's history, that war is over.

Posted by: Ren at August 13, 2005 05:27 PM (a9tRx)

2 it does matter. the war is justified entirely on the basis of a connection between Saddam and 9-11.

Posted by: Mr. K at August 13, 2005 06:39 PM (7/CRx)

3 Mr. K: We disagree on this one. # I still cannot understand the difference between a legal or illegal war. Or as you say justified or unjustified. War is war. Plain and simple. A tool to gain something. What are we attempting to gain? I think this police action is more of a defense against further UNJUSTIFIED attacks on the United States (or anywhere) by Religious Islamofacist assholes. The reasoning is that it is always better to fight on their turf. That turf is not neccessarily Iraq. More the middle east. We really could give a shit about Iraq. Give it back to Saddam if we could trust him. We need a base of operations to fight against terrorists. They live in the middle east so we go there to fight them instead of waiting like a bunch of sheep to be slaughtered as the liberal moonbat Clinton administation did. Justified in whose eyes? Some idiot liberal who cannot see the nose on his simple minded face. Protecting our people is justification. The right thing is happening. The truth is if we started to bring our troops home in the morning the Iraqis would start crying in their whatever.

Posted by: greyrooster at August 13, 2005 08:29 PM (CBNGy)

4 I'll emphasize again: That war is over, get over it you want links? how about carbombing, kidnappings killings, beheadings, how about you get your head out of your AZ. That sh*t happens everyday over there and you think these a**holes will stop if they smell victory? Think again, they'll more than happy getting into export.

Posted by: Ren at August 14, 2005 06:33 AM (a9tRx)

5 Rooster - there a plenty of what I think are valid reasons for the war or police action, or whatever you want to call it...but a direct link between Saddam and 9-11 is a smoking gun that needs no lengthy explanations.

Posted by: Mr. K at August 14, 2005 07:23 AM (W+543)

6 Regarding the Mohammed Atta meeting with an Iraqi agent in Prague: The 9/11 commission's only evidence of Atta not being in Prague at the time was that his cell phone was used a couple of times in Florida when the meeting was supposed to have taken place. I would submit that many of these terrorists move about under assumed names and fake passports. Atta conceivably would have as well. There were about 5 or 6 days at that time that his movements could not be accounted for. He could have, without much problem, left the country briefly under a fake passport and left his cell phone behind with another operational member because the phone may not have been of any use to him overseas. I don't think that's too much of a stretch. An assumption maybe, but not a stretch. "But the justness or unjustness of the Iraq invasion ultimately does not rest on whether or not the Baathist regime had anything to do with 9/11." Not to us perhaps. But, to every person opposed to the war THAT is the only thing that they will settle for. That's why we seek to show them (when they're willing to listen) that there was in fact a connection.

Posted by: Oyster at August 14, 2005 08:46 AM (YudAC)

7 Mr. K: I don't believe or know if there is/was a direct link between Sadam and 9/11. Why does there have to be? It was the best place for us to put a forward base of operations to fight the Islamofacists on their own turf. We also got rid of a madman while doing it. The faggot Bin laden wouldn't have trusted Saddam as a partner. Would you? Maybe he would. Maybe not. Really doesn't matter. The point is we needed a base overthere and we got it. What people call Bush's illegal war is really Bush's genius. Of course we all figured the Iraqi people would have been more helpful when looking at what they have to gain. But they have something that holds them back from intelligent interaction with the civilized world. It's called Islam.

Posted by: greyrooster at August 14, 2005 10:26 PM (CBNGy)

8 The commissions ommission of able danger and the discovery of an Iraqi spy ring are not the only ommissions. The commission had their hands tied due to money and time constraints imposed on them by the Bush administration. Bush and Co. only hesitantly allowed the commission to be formed at all. There are literally dozens of compelling questions about 911 that the commission either ignors or only briefly touches on. The official story seems to be full of holes when you examine it carefully, but the commission does nothing to explain these questions, so I have always thought it was a complete whitewash. The wingnuts in Washington desperately wanted regime change in Iraq and they sold the war by lying to the american public and to congress about their posession of WMD. They LIED! Remote control planes carrying chemical and biological weapons? Your fucking kidding me right?!! You are a bunch of stupid assholes if you really believed that shit. STUPID ASSHOLES!!! Now if there were iraqi spys in Germany at the same time Atta was supposedly there, and the wingnuts knew this and used this info to link Iraq to 911, then WHAT TOOK SO LONG FOR THIS TO COME OUT! After 2 1/2 yrs of criticism for this collossaly stupid decision to invade Iraq, suddenly there's intelligence to prove an Iraqi connection to 911? Let me ask you this: Is this the same intelligence that concluded a slam dunk case for WMD in Iraq? Is this the same intelligence that ignored all the warnings pre 911? Intelligence is obviously an oxymoron in this case. And you are all a bunch of morons for buying into it. Stop wasting your time trying to write intelligent things, and just go graze in your field with the rest of the sheep.

Posted by: Jason at August 23, 2005 09:57 AM (LXzkj)

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