October 25, 2005

The Battle of Surigao Strait

Sixty-one years ago on this date three American destroyers, Hoel, Heermann and Johnston, hurled themselves at a Japanese force of 4 battleships and 8 cruisers. Terriers attacking a wolfpack. The Hoel and Johnston, along with the destroyer escort Samuel B. Roberts were sunk, but the carriers they had been protecting were saved. October 25th, 1944 was the ninetieth anniversary of the Charge of the Light Brigade.

dd533-hoelsm.jpg

During the Battle of Leyte Gulf (of which the Battle of Surigao Strait was a part), from 22-27 October, 1944 - six days - the United States suffered 3,000 men killed in action.

Also posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto.

Posted by: Bluto at 09:31 PM | Comments (12) | Add Comment
Post contains 116 words, total size 1 kb.

1 A disrespectful comment from a South Korean IP was deleted.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at October 25, 2005 11:59 PM (RHG+K)

2 We were fiercely divided before Pearl Harbor, many felt that we had been maneuvered into a war by the Roservelt-Churchill cabal. However, the country came together immediately to defeat the twin foes.f the ultra- right and nationalistic foes of Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany.

Posted by: john Ryan at October 26, 2005 12:39 AM (ads7K)

3 I first read about the battle in Herman Woulk's "War and Remberance", where he brought the battle to life. As far as a know, his treatment was accurate. Thanks for mentioning this bit of history that shows true American character.

Posted by: Pigilito at October 26, 2005 06:08 AM (EBtsC)

4 And when reported in the NYT it was descrobed as a pointless failure. Nothing has changed at the MYT except Judy.

Posted by: Rod Stanton at October 26, 2005 06:16 AM (R3FcZ)

5 The six DAYS of the Battle of Leyte Gulf sure puts the "grim milestone" marker of the current war in Iraq in perspective - eh? God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces

Posted by: justamomof4 at October 26, 2005 07:48 AM (7auSQ)

6 The Battle of Surigao Strait is more properly thought of as the night battleship action south of Leyte Gulf, where Adm Oldendorff's battle group "crossed the T" of the Japanese Southern Force. We sank 2 Jap battleships (IIRC) and some cruisers and destroyers in what would be the last battleship-on-battleship fight. (2 of our battleships had been sunk at Pearl Harbor, and, resurrected, got some revenge.) The heroic destroyer attack took place off Samar, on the next morning.

Posted by: John at October 26, 2005 08:09 AM (wg4FW)

7 Thank you for posting this article. My grandfather, who passed away a few years ago, was a gunner's mate and plankowner of the Samuel B. Roberts. He was a hard-as-nails Navy man and one of the few survivors of the assault of the Japanese navy. If you're interested, there's a great book called "The Spirit of the Sammy B" about the battle written from the perspective of the small destroyer escort.

Posted by: Daniel Harrington at October 26, 2005 10:23 AM (TwJ9Q)

8 Actually John, we were maneuvered into the war. I found it especially interesting that there was a program on the History Channel last night about exactly that subject, and they had more information, honestly and objectively presented, than I had seen before. There were numerous reports from military intelligence about the impending attack, and all were ignored so that the Japanese would strike the first blow. Pearl Harbor was sacrificed by a liberal socialist president so that we could enter the war on Russia's side. It wasn't about saving Britain or the Jews, it was about saving Roosevelt's buddy Stalin, whom Roosevelt referred to as "good old Joe" and said that he was "misunderstood". Roosevelt, our second liberal president, after Wilson, was also the second president to get us into a global war, and like the first war and the ruinous Treaty of Versailles, after the second, the groundwork was laid for decades more of misery and conflict by Roosevelt's and Trumans capitulations to the Communists. The times we live in now, the troubles we endure, are all products of the schemings and machinations of liberals, socialists, and so-called progressives. Liberals delenda est.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 26, 2005 11:00 AM (0yYS2)

9 I have no problem with your overall theme Improbulus that Roosevelt maneuvered the Japanese into taking the first shot, but I do have some quibbles. I do not believe it was obvious the Japanese were going to hit Pearl Harbor. Quite clearly intelligence knew the Japanese were up to something, knew an internal Japanese deadline had come and gone, but did not have uh what is the phrase? Actionable intelligence, that's it. Lincoln also maneuvered the rebels to take the first shot as well. I think Roosevelt wanted to stop Hitler more than anything else.

Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at October 26, 2005 02:25 PM (wPM7K)

10 Marcus, Right on both counts. Roosevelt was much more interested in the Germans, and in fact he was already at war with the Germans in the North Atlantic. The problem he had was that the Germans were not interested in declaring war on the United States unless Japan entered the war on the Axis side. German submarines had already been fired upon and sunk by US combat ships, and they had basically done nothing but pontificate. The Japanese were the key to Germany declaring war on the US, and Roosevelt knew it. This is, of course, subject to debate, but it's pretty apparent that Roosevelt was aware of a likely Japanese attack on US interests in the Pacific. Several warnings were sent out to various regional commanders in the Pacific, so obviously the Americans knew the Japanese were up to something. Many intelligence reports indicated movement of Japanese warships and troop transports. Personally, I think Roosevelt knew an attack was imminent and did nothing to stop it. I don't think he knew it would be at Pearl Harbor, but that still does not excuse him. But he needed the Japanese to attack and get the US in the war. The German-Japanese treaty previously signed by the parties pretty much guanranteed the German entry on the side of their ally, Japan. Roosevelt had his wish, and we all know what followed. Basically, the end of the West.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 26, 2005 04:14 PM (rUyw4)

11 Beware of the BUNGO STREIGHTS and the ALAKAZI

Posted by: sandpiper at October 26, 2005 08:52 PM (uPdgJ)

12 We did not know for certain the nature of the Japanese aggression. Roosevelt was one of a small number of people with access to the decoded intercepts. I have always found it hard to believe that all these military men sacrified their brothers in arms for an excuse to get into the war, and all of them went to their graves without tellling the "real story". If we would have smashed the Japanese fleet the day before they attacked us America would have still gone to war and the Pacific war would have been pretty much over. If we would have alerted our Army Air Corps one hour before the attack over 50 fighters could have met the Japanese planes and we still would have gone to war. It is possible that we wanted to cover up the fact that we had broke the Japanese diplomatic code. That would have been a hard decision, but one still focused on the saving of more lives later on, at Coral Sea, Midway and other battles. From what I have read most of the cryptographers thought the Japanese would take out the over extended British and Dutch and leave us out of it, thus forcing us to be "the agressors". The messages to the Japanese diplomats, if I remember correctly, said that they were going to war, not "we are attacking Pearl Harbor". We could have handled the road to war better, but the Imperial Japanese are the ones to blame for Pearl Harbor. All they had to do was develop an alternative to imported oil and they wouldn't have needed to kill millions to get to the Indonesian oil fields. Or, maybe they could have not invaded Vietnam and then we wouldn't have cut off their oil supply.

Posted by: tyree at October 28, 2005 05:34 PM (KzhSy)

Hide Comments | Add Comment

Comments are disabled. Post is locked.
25kb generated in CPU 0.0627, elapsed 0.1969 seconds.
119 queries taking 0.1907 seconds, 261 records returned.
Powered by Minx 1.1.6c-pink.