December 14, 2005
Simply Disturbing News From Planned Parenthood
I'd like to thank the ever busy Jeff Quinton for taking a second to point out The Conservative Voice's coverage of this disturbing "Shared Story" (Wayback Cache) from a satisfied Planned Parenthood customer:
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It Keeps Us SafeI was raped at 11, by my 17 year old boyfriend. I chose not to tell my parents because I didn't think their involvement would help, that was the right choice for me. Planned Parethood helped me deal with the aftermath of the rape allowing me to deal and cope as best as I could in my own way. I was 14 when I decided to start having sex, the day I made that choice I made an appointment to get birth control pills. I'm 17 now, I've been with my current boyfriend for about two years. During that time i've been HIV and STD tested four times. Right now I'm sitting in the waiting room while my boyfriend gets the results for his HIV test. We love each other so we're responsible and Planned Parenthood helps us to do that.
- name withheld -
To me, something is wrong here. If an 11-year-old girl walks in and says she's been raped and Planned Parenthood finds out she's pregnant then why shouldn't she be encouraged to let her parent's know? Does anyone else see something wrong with this?
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17 and 11 I see a problem with that.
Posted by: Howie at December 14, 2005 03:07 PM (D3+20)
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Duh, the last time I checked rape was a felony crime! The parents and the police should have been contacted. I think Planned Parenthood possibly committed a crime by not reporting this, if in fact it is true.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 14, 2005 03:20 PM (rUyw4)
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The bim gets raped, tells planned parenthood and all is well.
No cops, no press, no charges, nothing.
Sounds like planned parenthood is covering up a rape.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at December 14, 2005 03:38 PM (5ceWd)
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I blogged on this earlier today. Among my concerns:
1. If this rape went unreported, how many more girls did that twisted little shit rape before he got caught?
2. How loving and responsible has PP really helped this girl and her new boyfriend be if, after several years in an allegedly monogamous relationship, they still need to be regularly tested for HIV and other STD's?
3. This isn't really about helping the girl, this is about PP undermining parents' rights to have any say in what happens to their children.
Posted by: Brian B at December 14, 2005 03:39 PM (rGfpg)
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So much for that story. It doesn't exist on the Planned Parenthood site.
Posted by: IO ERROR at December 14, 2005 03:41 PM (FVbj6)
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GOP bloggers also sent me an email about this. Absolutely disgusting behavior at Planned Parenthood.
Posted by: RepJ at December 14, 2005 03:44 PM (Cr96M)
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I can't find the source letter at SFPP. It may have been pulled - its my understanding there may be some investigation involved about it - I don't know.
It could be true.
It could be a hoax - though of a different kind.
It's an un-named posting from a past (satisfied - sic) client. Some in the past (ie. reporters and issue supporters) "create" what in their minds (and according to their value scheme) are sympathetic characters. They can go "overboard" easily without realising the actual implications of what they are saying.
The point of origin is San Fran - it is easy for me to see some enthusiatic PP supporter doing this thinking that it actually "helps".
Wait and see.
Posted by: hondo at December 14, 2005 03:59 PM (3aakz)
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For you sympathetic lib/lefties out there ...
This would not be a right-wing evil Christian hoax ...
It appears to be (if it is a hoax) one of your own gone off the deep end ...
It is exceptionally well written for a 17 yr old girl who clearly implies a "distrupted" homelife - which typically is not conducive to educational skills.
Posted by: hondo at December 14, 2005 04:09 PM (3aakz)
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This is what happens when lefties are in charge. Morals and rule of law go out the window. If the story is true, wouldn't that make Planned Parenthood an accessory to the crime, or something, for failure to report it?
Posted by: William Teach at December 14, 2005 05:20 PM (AkiXU)
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Mounting evidence that Liberalism is a mental order.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 14, 2005 05:25 PM (8e/V4)
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Didn't say the girl was pregnant after she was raped. That's an assumption the blogger leapt to.
If a rape victim chooses not to reveal the identity of her rapist and doesn't wish to press charges, you can't make her. moreover, it's not the responsibility of the health care provider to do so in her stead. their job is to provide health care. reporting the rape could be a breach of doctor/patient privilege; it could also discourage other girls from coming in for treatment and counseling.
also, they may have strongly "encouraged" her to tell her parents, as the blogger suggested. who knows what happened in the conversation? but do you really believe we should mandate what families communicate to each other? where are the small-government conservatives?
Posted by: proudtexan at December 14, 2005 05:34 PM (vhHB9)
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It's more of that "progressive" thinking where everyone, regardless of age or maturity has the right to make their own decisions. Unfortunately children, especially teenagers by nature are irresponsible and need good parental guidance if they're to become decent people. This is the sort of rubbish that happens when organisations do their best to undermine that natural order, all in the name of individual rights.
Posted by: Graeme at December 14, 2005 05:47 PM (MZHNd)
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Sorry - actually in this case (if its real) the healthcare provider would have legal responsibility to report it ( a major felony committed against a child - with or without the child's cooperation).
This has never been a small-government conservative issue -
It is one of parental rights - attempting to mix the two is snidely disingenuous.
Posted by: hondo at December 14, 2005 05:51 PM (3aakz)
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PP does a lot of anonymous counseling and testing, we don't know that they knew who the girl was to report it. But more importantly, it doesn't say they didn't notify the police, it says the girl chose not to notify her *parents*. What still hasn't been answered is, why are we trying to mandate familial communication? Encourage strongly, of course--and we don't know if they did or didn't, only that the girl ultimately chose not to tell them. But mandate? And why is it PP's job to tell the parents?
I'm in a profession where I'm a mandated reporter and I've called CPS and the cops when I had to, but we don't tell kids what they have to tell their parents.
Posted by: proudtexan at December 14, 2005 06:09 PM (vhHB9)
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It doesn't say anything! - its an un-named posting from supposedly a 17 yr old girl - questions of validity remain.
3 questions - is she there for being raped or an abortion or both?
You wouldn't report felony rape of a child and feel the parents don't have a need to know? Your confusing me.
Posted by: hondo at December 14, 2005 06:21 PM (3aakz)
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I would have thought the parents would have been notified by the Police if that was the case, do they not normally have to get consent for a Parent, or guardian to interview a minor?
Posted by: dave at December 14, 2005 06:41 PM (CcXvt)
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Obviously there are a lot of problems with this story--a lot of things left out (for instance, if she had the wherewithal to go to Planned Parenthood by herself after the rape, she may have self-reported to the police as well). Reporting to the police is not at issue, and not even what the blogger commented on--he commented on not telling the parents. And I'm saying no, I wouldn't be required to tell parents if the child didn't want them to know. (Presumably they will figure it out when the police and CPS get involved, however.) And I don't think PP should be required to tell the girl's parents. That's not their job. They can encourage her to tell them, and they should do that as part of mental health counseling unless the family is so dysfunctional that it would result in abuse, but ultimately she chooses whether or not to tell them. Most kids, with encouragement, will tell. Some won't.
Posted by: proudtexan at December 14, 2005 06:43 PM (vhHB9)
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Are you talking about the alleged rape? You really are confusing me! If the story's true (and I doubt it) PP is mandated by law to report the crime to LEA - LEA notifys the parents and CPS as required in that order.
You keep wandering off on a tangent reference parental notification and throw in "dysfunction (?)". If you want to focus on abortion/children/parental notification requirements issues then clearly do so.
Your tying to walk a line that makes no sense whatsoever.
Posted by: hondo at December 14, 2005 06:57 PM (3aakz)
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No one said anything about abortion, including the girl in the story. Obviously I am talking about the alleged rape. PP is mandated to report to the police. They are not mandated to tell the parents. At which point in the process the parents are made aware is not the responsibility of Planned Parenthood. That's not a tangent; that's the crux of this discussion (which is a straw man anyway: a probably fictitious girl says she didn't tell her parents about a rape and suddenly we all pile on "liberals" because PP didn't notify the parents, which is NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY).
I brought up dysfunction in a very specific context. Responsible health care providers would counsel a minor to tell her parents about a rape UNLESS the family is so dysfunctional that disclosure could lead to abuse at the hands of the family. I fail to see why that is confusing.
Posted by: proudtexan at December 14, 2005 07:24 PM (vhHB9)
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I am an intelligent man - I picked up immediately from the start that you wanted to approach/use this thread topic as a lead into a liberal/conservative abortion/parental rights issue.
The problem however for you (and you do realise it) is that critical aspects of the letter (probably a fraud) completely supercede those points - and take the argument in a completely different direction.
You are in effect - "attempting to work with what you got" - and trying to quietly steer it towards somewhere you want to go.
That approach rarely ever works and is extremely difficult to pull off. My advice - forget it and wait for your proverbial "pitch".
Posted by: hondo at December 14, 2005 07:44 PM (3aakz)
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Interesting that you would think that, when I was in fact the first person to point out here that the story said nothing about the girl being pregnant: that was an assumption the blogger made. The notification question is clearly about a rape, not a pregnancy.
But I guess we see what we want to see.
Posted by: proudtexan at December 14, 2005 08:04 PM (vhHB9)
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The story was posted on a planned parenthood site, then pulled. Here's the Google cache of the page that linked to it.
Guess they realized that it wasn't a real PR winner for them.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at December 14, 2005 08:20 PM (RHG+K)
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PT - Or want what we want to want
Bluto - figured that, but doubt if the letter was true to start - suspected an over-eager PP supporter who created a character without thinking it through.
Posted by: hondo at December 14, 2005 08:26 PM (3aakz)
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By the note's very existence and specifically mentioning Planned Parenthood, the reader is obviously led to believe that an abortion occured. Otherwise, this gal has the stupidest parents on earth or they would have noticed that basketball-sized lump under her shirt. So, assuming no parents are quite that dumb, if we're expected to believe the intent of the story, PP has violated the law either by choosing not to report a rape and/or by performing a surgical procedure on an 11 year old without parental consent. It is my understanding that even in the states with the most liberal consent laws, 11 is usually well-below that threshold.
Even if it was consensual sex with her 'boyfriend', most states still consider ANY sex with an underage girl to be statutory rape even if the boyfriend had been 11 also. You should know that, proudtexan, considering that is the law in Texas. I know this to be factual having been on a jury for a statutory rape case in Houston and have learned and forgotten more about statutory rape law than I care to ever remember.
Also, PP is a fair target as a liberal organization being that they routinely give money to liberal politicians. They are no less a liberal organization than is NOW. Regardless, this group would "pile on" them even if they were a conservative group. Come by more often and you'll see most in here go after stupidity and inappropriate behavior no matter what the political affiliation. But it's not our fault that most of the stupidity is on the far left. Don't you think it a bit ironic and hypocritical that the far left support PP and yet you can bet your last dollar that they would be in a lawyer's office the next day if they found out it was their 11 year old daughter who was given an abortion without their consent.
That's why most liberals are the known as the 'do as I say and not as I do' faction that they are.
Posted by: slug at December 14, 2005 08:33 PM (DbAnU)
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I'm with Jesusland Carlos.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 14, 2005 08:41 PM (b335s)
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Proud Texan: You made much of something that should be simple. Rape is rape. Rape of an 11 year old is crime and should be. If the liberals in government service disagree with this then fathers, brothers, etc: will take things into their own hands. You can guess the results. A spade is a spade. Call it that.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 14, 2005 08:46 PM (b335s)
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Let's not beat up on the commenters, folks.
Posted by: Chris Short at December 14, 2005 08:52 PM (0OCQY)
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I am skeptical of the whole story. The link to that site failed to produce the story for me. That being said juveniles will not seek any type of reproductive health care if they do not think it will be kept confidential. Would you as a juvenile gone to a doctor if you knew that he was going to tell your parents ?
Posted by: john Ryan at December 14, 2005 09:31 PM (ads7K)
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Hey I just noticed something else in this touching story. Perfect spelling and punctuation. Pretty good for someone who seems to have made a lot of bad choices. So at least we should applaud her for her staying in school !! Doesn't sound like a high school drop out to me. Not perfect, some run on sentences but all in all I would say B+
Posted by: john Ryan at December 14, 2005 09:56 PM (ads7K)
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Actually, its an A, but as usual John Ryan - you are later for supper - on both counts.
Posted by: hondo at December 14, 2005 09:59 PM (3aakz)
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Agent Jones asks, was it a spade named Greyrooster?
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 15, 2005 05:29 AM (n1vAy)
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Nobody is trying to "mandate familial communication". In fact, it's the other way around. The big argument, regardless of whether there is truth to this story, is that there are many, including the 9th Circuit Court, that are trying to "mandate" that parents have no rights to be involved in matters regarding the sex education, sexual behavior, etc. of their children. Let's get that straight right now.
So with the current idea that children should not have to include their parents in these decisions because "they may come from dysfuntional families", I say [*coughbullshitcough*]. All a kid has to do is say, "My parents will hit me." What's the criteria for determining a dysfuntional family? Just because the kid said so? Would PP investigate the home to determine whether the kid simply doesn't want to own up or if the parents really are abusive? By investigating, wouldn't the parents be tipped off? And because these children have displayed such bad decision making abilities by engaging in sex so young, who's to say they aren't doing it again by excluding their parents simply because they don't want to get grounded or have their playstations taken away? And what percentage of parents are really so bad that ALL children should come under the same umbrella?
Taking away the rights of ALL parents because of a few is criminal and a violation of so many rights I can't even begin to tell you. And that's exactly what they're trying to do. PP (as well as NARAL and others) is a major player in pushing this agenda from financing political candidates, lobbying Congress and pushing the envelope in publications and pamphlets targeted for our children.
And for John Ryan and others who aren't paying attention "it's a cached story on the wayback machine". It's been pulled from PP's current pages.
Posted by: Oyster at December 15, 2005 08:01 AM (YudAC)
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I don't know who these anti-abortion people are, but their taped recordings of PP workers aiding and abetting statutory rape are pretty damning. They claim to have called 800 times to PP offices across the country with someone posing as a 13 year old girl in need of an abortion after sex with her 22 year old boy friend. Something like 90% of the time, the PP people commited the crime.
You can listen here:
http://www.childpredators.com/Tapes.cfm
Posted by: FreakyBoy at December 15, 2005 08:18 AM (NW/eu)
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Wow. That was pretty damning.
Posted by: Oyster at December 15, 2005 09:36 AM (YudAC)
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Responsible? No sex until age 14? I doubt both of those statements. The odds of becoming pregnant from rape is 1,000 to 1. The odds are better that you die in an airline crash than getting pregnant from rape. The girl was obvously having sex at age 11, since it takes several times to get pregnant. She's responsible alright. Just NOT accountable!!
Posted by: Gary Veazey at December 15, 2005 10:07 AM (fC2pg)
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Where did you learn your facts on sex and pregnancy Gary? From a fish wife that told you if you stood on your head, or did it in a pool you won't get pregnant?
Posted by: dave at December 15, 2005 11:26 AM (CcXvt)
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"...it takes several times to get pregnant."
HAHAHAHAHA!
Posted by: Oyster at December 15, 2005 02:30 PM (YudAC)
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Gary,
dude, if you've got a problem with low sperm count, I'm sure there's a pill you can take.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 15, 2005 03:10 PM (8e/V4)
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That ain't the kind of pill he needs to take, Carlos.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 15, 2005 03:23 PM (rUyw4)
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Gary: Maybe it takes you several times to get one pregnant.
PLANNED PARENTHOOD: A group that says white folks who can afford children shouldn't have them. But muslims dogs and others can have one every year and the tax payers pay for them.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 16, 2005 06:28 AM (kkjRj)
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