June 25, 2005

See-Dubya: The Italian Job, Part II

As I explain below, the capture of Abu Omar right before the war was pretty dag-blasted crucial because he was recruiting terrorists for combat in Iraq. This is a guy we need to A: stop and B: interrogate. And the only way to do that was, apparently, to kidnap him from within an allied country. Italy claims they were investigating him as well, but I can see how, with the urgency of the invasion drawing near, it wasnÂ’t feasible to leave the timing of his arrest to the Italian justice process.

IÂ’m sure this decision wasnÂ’t made lightly. If a covert operation goes awry in Syria or North Korea, well, whoÂ’s really going to be surprised? Oh, no, SyriaÂ’s going to be mad at us! Doing something like this within an allied nation, however, is really tricky. Imagine how freakinÂ’ nuts everyone here would go if, say, the Mossad or MI6 snatched a refugee off the streets of New York City. And after the Sgrena affair, this is especially troublesome for Italy.

ItÂ’s funny how prosecutors and judges can influence foreign policy. Back in the late eighties, a Florida US Attorney named Dick Gregorie indicted Manuel Noriega for drug trafficking. The CIA and State Department went spastic, since they considered Pineapple Face a valuable ally in the Cold War and were quite willing to overlook his drug dealing. But with that indictment hanging out there it became impossible to overlook it and America began moving toward the invasion of Panama.

The kidnapping is embarrassing enough, but then there’s the fact of Abu Omar’s rendition to his home country of Egypt where he claims he was tortured—like real torture, involving electric shocks, not fake Gitmo Dick Durbin torture. (Bear in mind, this is all just according to a phone call Abu Omar made. Apparently they just stopped and took the cables off and said, hey, you wanna call your family? Cause you’re going to be here a while, dude.) Now, unlike some conservatives, I don’t have much of a problem with the rendition of terrorists, or for that matter, with the rending of terrorists, or even with the rendering of terrorists in a Hormel plant where potted pork products are prepared. This case, however, kind of surprises me.

Why would we trust the interrogation of this guy to the Egyptians? Well, this is an important prisoner. We need to squeeze this dude fast because the invasion starts in about a month. We need actionable intelligence about foreign fighters as soon as we can so it can be incorporated into the war plans, and their communications, supply lines, caches, etc. can be shut down. Ordinarily, I say if you want to see something done right, youÂ’ve got to do it yourself. But maybe we knew that our techniques at Gitmo were so hampered by concerns about the ACLU that we couldnÂ’t trust our own interrogators to get the job done in time. I donÂ’t know; thatÂ’s just speculation.

As for what we do now, I’m just not sure. We’ve got indictments on thirteen of our spooks, and we’ve got to get them out of Italy, if they’re still there, and beyond the reach of Italian law. Italy has a lot of info on these guys, including pictures, but I wonder whether the names they have are real or just covers. If it’s just cover, this whole thing will blow over. But if not, and they’ve got a line on our guys, then this will be trouble. Will we honor extradition requests? Not in this matter, I hope. Our guys in the field need to know that their government and their president back them up. None of this “deny all knowledge of your actions” crap. We’ve got to protect our people who were engaged in a mission authorized under US law.

But thatÂ’s going to hurt us even more with Italy. TheyÂ’re a valuable ally and a good friend to the USA. WeÂ’ll need to find a way to smooth things over with them, if one exists. I just hope Abu Omar was worth it.

Posted by: seedubya at 04:39 AM | Comments (10) | Add Comment
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1 Let's change the European city's name from Milan to Hamburg and the year from Feb 2003 to Feb 2001. American officials, unhappy at the progress of Hamburg prosecutors in uncovering and stopping cell members in Hamburg, perform a rendition. Poor little Muhammad Atta, sent to his home country of Egypt, for gasp! torture. Look at his pretty dark eyes, listen to his mother sob, hear the irate German judicial authorities complain about the US kidnappers. That's the thing about preemption, you can only imagine what you preempted and it doesn't sound that bad in theory. This just proves that you can't fight the terrorists via law enforcement. Far better to lure them to Iraq where we can shoot them legally. Oh, as for this silly case: 1.) the authorities pushing this are court authorities, not the Italian government; 2) it will go away because both governments want it to go away 3) the media and crazy judge might try to keep it going as a criticism of rendition

Posted by: Kate at June 25, 2005 09:14 AM (QiImA)

2 I think Kate's assessment is pretty good. Both governments WANT this to go away. They NEED it to go away. The article I read said, "It was not clear to what extent the U.S. operation was approved by the government of Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi..." It seems that Italy's judiciary has simply gone awry much like our own. They've gotten too big for their own britches and think they have more power than they were ever intended to have. Prime examples are Fallaci's indictment for speaking her mind and our loss of protection of our property. Their communist group-think judges will be "their" downfall not ours. We have our own idiots to worry about. We should just issue a warrant for someone prominent in Italy for their inaction and allowing Omar to operate freely. It would carry just about as much weight.

Posted by: Oyster at June 25, 2005 09:45 AM (YudAC)

3 you aare forgetting that the italians were about to arrst him anyway. what if a terrorist attack had taken place in italy and could have been prevented if the info was extracted from this guy yets face we americans wouldnt be asking questions about planned attacks in italy because we dont care about our allies onluy ourselves

Posted by: Graeme at June 25, 2005 10:49 AM (air6p)

4 The European track record of prosecuting terrorists is horrible. They generally get acquitted and set loose or given light sentences (month/not years). The German case just recently completed was a terrible example, the Germans blamed us of course. Everyone admits he was a terrorist and out the door he goes and onto the street. Someone please, please kidnap him!! So your argument that the Italians were about to arrest him does nothing for me. However, I am shedding tears for the "cleric" suffering in Egypt. Oh, wait a minute-they'e tears of joy!

Posted by: kate at June 25, 2005 10:55 AM (QiImA)

5 I suppose I'll be considered culturally insensitive if I say about the Italians, "Let them eat pasta." That's just a chance I'll have to take.

Posted by: Clyde at June 26, 2005 01:49 AM (yhToD)

6 its not my arguement that the italians were about to arrest him the italian gov said it they also said it would have led to other arrests. why have allies if you dont cooperate with them. lets remember the US Marine who stated the british royal mariners in afghanistan were "guttless cowards"

Posted by: graham at June 26, 2005 05:16 AM (E5w6x)

7 Kates not a very smart girl really is she? well she is an american

Posted by: kim at June 26, 2005 05:17 AM (E5w6x)

8 Allies are a good thing as long as they don't get in the way. FDR tried to work with Vichy France in WW2. Actually, the biggest fight the French Navy put up was against the American landing in Africa. As for smart, I am a simple American, I think the the people who get the terrorists off the street are the good guys. Silly me.

Posted by: Kate at June 26, 2005 07:09 AM (WzNg1)

9 French navy fought hard during world war Two especially against th british at Oran and Dakar. french army and air force also fought hard again against the british in syria

Posted by: Graeme at June 28, 2005 04:26 AM (fzd/y)

10 i have no problem with getting terrorists off the streets and their financial supporters so yets start with ted kennedy and every other american who supports the IRA

Posted by: Graham at June 28, 2005 04:37 AM (fzd/y)

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