June 23, 2005

See-Dubya: Hezbollah--Drugs for Bombs (BIGGER, LONGER, UNCUT!)

Sometimes when I discuss my odd--for the blogosphere--opinions about drug legalization with people (I'm against it), I get told, "Dude, you clearly lack a basic grasp of fundamental economics."

For today, I'll save my several retorts to that in favor of an observation. Did you notice that no one ever says, on this issue or any other, "Dude, you clearly lack a basic grasp of fundamental sociology"? Why is that?

Anyway, this is just a prelude to a link to Captain Ed's spot on comments on that Hezbollah cocaine smuggling ring they busted in Ecuador and the US: "Snort Cocaine and Fund More Bombings".

Pretty much, yeah.

UPDATE: Rusty responds. One-two-three-four I declare a blog war! So, I don't get the logic in See Dubs post? On the sociological implications I have no argument other than people ought to be able to poison themselves as a fundamental aspect of human liberty. However, to the larger point. The reason Cocaine is being used to fund terrorists is that Cocaine is very profitable. The reason Cocaine is very profitable is that it is illegal. Unless you want to argue that Phillip-Morris contributes to terrorism.......

Any thoughts y'all??


UPDATE II SEE DUB'S SALVO: What's a blog war and how do I fight it? Who is the enemy? I think we should end the costly and unproductive War on Blogs.

(BTW the sociology comment was purely a throwaway line about the irrelevance of sociology, not a response to the economics point.)

NOW: Rusty, citing Philip Morris, has swallowed the treble hook way back into his gills. Let's set it with a sharp upward twitch of the rod:

Alleged Donors To Hezbollah Facing Trial
By Gordon Fairclough
Staff Reporter of The Wall Street Journal

12/03/2001
The Wall Street Journal
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(Copyright (c) 2001, Dow Jones & Company, Inc.)

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- On Thursday nights, the eve of the Islamic Sabbath, a group of Lebanese immigrants, all Shiite Muslims, would assemble at Mohamad Hammoud's house in a quiet, middle-class neighborhood on the eastern edge of town.

Neighbors didn't pay much attention to the weekly get-togethers, but federal prosecutors say they had a purpose beyond socializing and prayer: Members of the group were also helping to raise funds for Hezbollah, which the U.S. government has branded a terrorist organization.

Earlier this year, a federal grand jury in Charlotte indicted Mr. Hammoud, fellow immigrant Said Harb and seven others on charges they conspired to smuggle millions of dollars of cigarettes and divert part of the profits to the Beirut-based terrorist group.

Mr. Harb and three other men were also charged with trying to procure specialized equipment for Hezbollah, including night-vision goggles, global-positioning systems, laser range-finders and advanced aircraft-analysis software.

Today, a judge in the U.S. District court here is scheduled to hear arguments on a critical aspect of this closely watched case: whether the government can use wiretaps collected by Canada's intelligence agency as evidence in the defendants' criminal trial. The Charlotte case is the first big test of a 1996 law that prosecutors hope will be a major tool in Washington's legal war on terror. The law, known as the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act, makes it illegal to provide funding or material aid to foreign terror groups.

Conversations between Mr. Harb and an alleged Hezbollah operative in Canada that were intercepted by intelligence agents are central to the government's claim that he provided "material support" to Hezbollah. Mr. Harb's lawyer, Christopher Fialko, says that the wiretaps should be thrown out, claiming that they were obtained in violation of Mr. Harb's constitutional rights.

(SNIP)

By the mid-1990s, prosecutors say, Messrs. Hammoud and Harb were involved in a large-scale cigarette-smuggling operation that was initially discovered by a local sheriff's deputy, Bob Fromme. Mr. Fromme and the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms pursued the smugglers for years as they plied the roads between North Carolina and Michigan, where they delivered their cigarettes to gas stations owned by another Lebanese immigrant.

In North Carolina, the state cigarette excise tax is just 50 cents a carton. In Michigan, it is $7.50 a carton, enabling the smugglers to pocket much of the difference, law-enforcement officials say. Between 1996 and 1999, the group funneled millions of dollars of cigarettes to Michigan, earning hundreds of thousands of dollars for themselves, according to investigators' estimates.

By the summer of 1999 -- when the ATF and the U.S. attorney's office in Charlotte were ready to seek indictments in the case -- the FBI stepped in. Agents said they had been investigating members of the smuggling ring for possible involvement with Hezbollah. FBI counterterrorism agents had been watching suspected Hezbollah members in the U.S. for years. The radical Shiite Muslim group was implicated in the 1983 bombing of a U.S. Marine barracks outside Beirut that killed 241 people, among other attacks. Three alleged Hezbollah members also are on the list of most-wanted terrorists assembled by the FBI in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks.

Prosecutors allege that significant sums of money generated by the Charlotte group's smuggling operations were sent to Lebanon by courier and wire transfer for use by Hezbollah. They cite letters from a person they say is a Hezbollah member in Lebanon that were sent to Mr. Hammoud in Charlotte. "The group thanks you a lot on your contributions and may Allah reward you," the Hezbollah official writes in one exchange.

Mr. Harb's lawyer, Mr. Fialko, says in a court filing that Hezbollah was "founded and run by Shiite Muslim clerics" and that Muslims "have an obligation under Islamic law to provide financial support to religion, including entities such as Hezbollah." Mr. Fialko says that the government's ban on contributions to Hezbollah violates his client's rights to freedom of speech and religion. [SEE DUBYA: I love that part!]

The suspects in Charlotte apparently weren't waiting until judgment day to reap their rewards. Prosecutors say the defendants bought houses and cars and invested substantial amounts of their allegedly ill-gotten gains in legitimate businesses. Embracing the American way of life, Mr. Harb even arranged for some of his relatives to marry Americans so they could get U.S. citizenship.

Messrs. Harb and Hammoud, who pleaded "not guilty" to all charges, are in custody awaiting the start of their trial, now set for April. Even if Mr. Hammoud, who isn't a U.S. citizen, is acquitted, prosecutors say he could be deported for allegedly lying to immigration authorities. Mr. Harb, however, has been a citizen since the mid-'90s. In a November 2000 letter headed "In the Name of God," Mr. Harb wrote from jail to the federal judge presiding over his case: "I want you to know that I love this country."
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So: cigarettes are legal and taxed, and yet they're also smuggled to support Hezbollah. The reason cigarettes and cocaine are profitable is partially because they're illegal, yes, but mostly because they're so addictive people will pay nearly anything to get them. Cocaine's extremely addictive properties are, not incidentally , why it is illegal.

UPDATE III: (See-dubya)--Another one on the line. Pixy Misa writes:

"In North Carolina, the state cigarette excise tax is just 50 cents a carton. In Michigan, it is $7.50 a carton, enabling the smugglers to pocket much of the difference, law-enforcement officials say.

Well, don't do that then."

Of course not. These differences in state taxation are an incentive to smuggle. Obviously the Federal government should maintain uniform levels of taxation on controlled substances throughout the states.

Surely these individual tax assessments of sovereign states affect interstate commerce. We can justify it through the Commerce Clause!

Oh, wait a minute...

Blog War II: The Rusty Strikes Back

Again, the reason cigarettes are being smuggled is because taxation at such a high rate in some states makes them de facto illegal. Anyway, my main argument for ending the war on drugs is a moral one: liberty. Liberty implies the right to choose to do stupid things, like take drugs. There is no need for government to try to discourage people from doing stupid things. Natural selection kinda has a way of taking care of that.....

Jeff at Shape of Days decided to get in on the blog war........

Posted by: seedubya at 03:16 AM | Comments (19) | Add Comment
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1 When was the last time you saw a mexican smuggling a case of Corona or Mezcal or tequilla across the border? When was the last time Coors attacked Miller for selling beer in the wrong market? Just when was the last alcohol trade related murder? The ideals behind prohibition were good, the reality was 10 year old kids selling hooch on the street corners in Detriot. Female drinking which spread like wildfire then, speak easys, and murder. I'm not for total stupidity I've seen pics of Amsterdam and I sure don't want that here. Too much money to be made the way things are now and they will stay the same. Clearly some law enforcement options would still be needed. But taxing and regulating some of these problems might be a better solution and take some of the money away from groups like these which are pretty rare cause let's face it. Blowing up your customer is not exacty good business in the long run. These groups get all the attention because we are trying to tie drugs to terrorism so we can Patriot ourselves into a few easy busts and tag the whole market as terrorists while clearly most are just smugglers trying to make a fast buck. I bet if a terrorist tried to get across from mexico most mexican mafia would take his money and leave him dead in the desert. Just business in their world but allowing terrorist into our country is not in their interests. There may be a few groups who would but in general I doubt it's that prevalent. Except in the imagination of those who depend on the drug war every day for their living. We've been doing this for 30 years and it only gets worse. (sarcasm on) But hey maybe 30 more will help add another 30 and you get close to the 100 years war. Keep going heck yes we can stamp out behavior that has existed for 5000 to 10000 years or longer. Oh yeah Congress overrides human nature every time (sarcasm off). Plus in case you havn't noticed the real drug problem in the USA right now has nothing to do with this. It has to do with Kodak, Wal mart, Coleman fuel and Ammonia and the leftover invention of the Nazis that they used to keep their troops awake and get work out of starving prisoners. Yes meth does not require smuggling and all the money gets to go to big companies that hide the profits from enough sudafed to supply every athsmatic in the nation for the next 300 years in little tiny subsidiarys that do nothing but stamp out these pills all day long. Tremendous profit and it goes strait to the shareholders. Sudafed was cheaper when it was a prescription drug. But also tremendous damage the likes of which most of us had never been seen before in most areas. Yeah it's getting better not. I probably should not comment on this but speed freaking kills in a hurry and Columbia has nothing to do with it.

Posted by: Howie at June 22, 2005 05:11 PM (D3+20)

2 Can a blog war be called a "Quagmire"?

Posted by: disgruntledinca at June 22, 2005 05:23 PM (8DwXG)

3 Good one Pixy! In your face See-Dub!! (I also responded, once again)

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at June 23, 2005 09:34 AM (JQjhA)

4 Howie...meth is so nasty. The list of things in it pretty much guarantee you are screwing yourself up worse than almost any drug. The latest thing to pop up on the national dentistry radar is "meth mouth". Have you heard of this? Look it up, but only after you've had a few hours to digest a meal...

Posted by: osamabeenthere at June 23, 2005 10:36 AM (CYGDF)

5 Howie, If I understood you correctly, I agree that marijuana should be legalized. I would not want to see 'powders' like coke, smack and speed legalized. Legalizing marijuana would be a boon for farmers and for our tax coffers.

Posted by: greg at June 23, 2005 10:46 AM (/+dAV)

6 Osama, Yes I know what you are talking about. Unfortunately. Not me got a full set. But I'm from a rural area and the destruction has just been horrible. I've seen one or two really really evil things in the world, beheadings and meth have to go right together. The list of people from my area that have gone down for the count grows longer and longer every day. A lot of people come back from pot or alcohol but meth takes people and eats em like a cookie for breakfast. Meth maybe 2 out of 100 have any hope of any type of recovery. And it's sad because you want to help them as they are the people you grew up with but you have to let them go because there is really nothing you can dor for them. It's up to them. The heartbreak that has hit my hometown is hard to imagine. I'm sure glad I'm not there and that sucks cause I miss home. But to got there and see what has really happened it's just easier not too look anymore and thank my lucks stars it wasn't me because I see little pattern to who turns stupid next.

Posted by: Howie at June 23, 2005 10:49 AM (D3+20)

7 greg: Can't say that I don't agree with you there. Some times the law is what gives the motivation to turn it around. I've just seen too much destruction from meth made my some freaking moron that has been up for 9 days. I guess my emotion on the above post kind of gives that away huh. If you ask me we could take all the money from cannabis enforcement for one year you don't even have to make it legal just take the money. Split it 535 ways and pay congress off to make pseudoephedrine a prescription drug. I doubt that limits on how much you can purchase will do much good they may help a bit. And greg also since you seem to know a little bit about chemistry why is that ephedra is banned and pseudoephedrine is not? Are they not very similar. Pseudoephedrine makes me feel weird anyway and I don't take it. I don't care if my nose runs to the sea.

Posted by: Howie at June 23, 2005 11:01 AM (D3+20)

8 Howie:'And greg also since you seem to know a little bit about chemistry why is that ephedra is banned and pseudoephedrine is not? Are they not very similar. ' That's a good question. They are very similar and both can be used to synthesize speed. I'm guessing that pseudoephedrine is still legal because of the power of the pharmaceutical industry. They make a ton of money off of it. By the way, I answered Improbulus on your Die Space Bastards Die string. He actually hung himself with his own post in my opinion.

Posted by: greg at June 23, 2005 11:13 AM (/+dAV)

9 Yeah greg I noticed. You have a good one. I've got a little more time today than most but your support is quite welcome. I'm always of for a little fun even at my own expense. I had considered that I might be WTW last week before I ever posted item 1. I'm not so quick as most of you guys but let me simmer a day or two and maybe I'll do OK. What the hell eh?

Posted by: Howie at June 23, 2005 11:57 AM (D3+20)

10 Pseudoephedrine is legal, from my understanding, because it is used in drugs like Sudafed and has useful medical properties. The problem is that meth makers just use the Sudafed as one of the raw ingredients for their very addictive drug. It has gotten so bad that many places keep the Sudafed behind the counter, and others limit the number of packages you can buy. I am generally torn on the legalization of weed. On the one hand, it bothers me not a lick that some would rather smoke dope than drink a beer. On the other, I worry that the dangers of weed are not as immediatly apparent as they are in alcohol. A hangover sends the clear message to the user that excess is bad for you. Weed offers no such warning.

Posted by: Defense Guy at June 23, 2005 12:54 PM (jPCiN)

11 It is spectacularly stupid of you, Rusty, to bring up the involvement of terrorists in drug smuggling as reasons why drug use should be not be legal. If the substance in question, cocaine, were not illegal, the terrorists would not be involved in smuggling it! Drugs should be decriminalized for a very simple reason: The government telling you not to use them is the government making a claim of ownership on you. If you can explain how it is not a claim by the government that individuals are simply things for it to control just as it would any other piece of government property, then we can engage in arguments over economics and sociology.

Posted by: David at June 23, 2005 01:09 PM (rysK+)

12 Marijuana, and its active ingredient, Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is classified by the DEA as a Schedule 1 drug. This is the same drug schedule as morphine and the other opiate derivatives. The rational for schedule 1 drug classification is as follows: (A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse. or (B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States. or (C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision. The opiates fall under schedule 1 for reason A (above). Ironically, marijuana falls under schedule 1 because there is no currently accepted medical use. This is ridiculous. The literature is full of examples of medical use including to relieve glaucoma, pain, as an anti-emetic (especially during chemotherapy) and to induce appetite (especially for AIDS wasting). This classification makes it harder to research because of the horrendous bureaucratic impediment to obtaining proper licensing from the DEA. Mariijuana will not be legalized until it is rescheduled.

Posted by: greg at June 23, 2005 03:04 PM (/+dAV)

13 Rationale

Posted by: greg at June 23, 2005 03:24 PM (/+dAV)

14 I agree with greg on the use of marijuana by those that are dying or terminaly ill. To deny them whatever small comfort it provides, regardless of scientific proof, is cruel.

Posted by: Defense Guy at June 23, 2005 03:46 PM (lVjfM)

15 "The government telling you not to use them is the government making a claim of ownership on you." OR, they are looking out for its citizens by preventing drug addiction, overdose, etc.

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