, not peace. To the Islamist, to kill someone for breaking Islamic law is not
, it is carrying out the death penalty. So, it's always great to see that Christians and atheists seem to know Islam better than Muslims who have been practicing the tradition of imposing the death penalty on blasphemers and apostates since Muhammed's time.
Yahya related to me from Malik from Zayd ibn Aslam that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "If someone changes his deen - strike his neck!"
The meaning of the statement of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, in our opinion and Allah knows best, is that "if someone changes his deen, strike his neck!" refers to those who leave Islam for other than it - like the heretics and their like, about whom it is known. They are killed without being called to tawba because their tawba is not recognised. They were hiding their kufr and publishing their Islam, so I do not think that one calls such people to tawba, and one does not accept their word. As for the one who goes out of Islam to something else and divulges it, one calls him to tawba. If he does not turn in tawba, he is killed. If there are people in that situation, I think that one should call them to Islam and call them to tawba. If they turn in tawba, that is accepted from them. If they do not turn in tawba, they are killed. That does not refer as we see it, and Allah knows best, to those who come out of Judaism to Christianity or from Christianity to Judaism, nor to someone who changes his deen from the various forms of deen except for Islam. Whoever comes out of Islam to other than it and divulges that, that is the one who is referred to, and Allah knows best!
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Jesus, are there people that are really that stupid?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 20, 2006 05:51 PM (0yYS2)
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"ItÂ’s murder and murder is also forbidden by the Koran,"
Danish Foreign Minister Per Stig Moeller told a news conference"
Do you know what the penalty for non-believers preaching Islam to Islamists?
Even though I'm making things up here, I'm pretty sure it's death. Just a hunch.
Posted by: Gordon at February 20, 2006 06:03 PM (i0N3d)
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Murder in the Koran is only forbidden against other Muslims. The Koran gives Muslims permission to do whatever they please to kufirs, or non-Muslims.
Do these Danes ever read any history? Or any liberal, for that matter.
Posted by: jesusland joe at February 20, 2006 06:47 PM (rUyw4)
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I was about to say something very similar to JJ, The only "Peace" the Quran talks about, is peace for Muslims -- not for the unbelievers.
Posted by: dave at February 20, 2006 06:51 PM (CcXvt)
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Sunday I checked out that mediot Kevin do ya feel my hair is ok Sites in the Not zone. I read the gagger, "Human Touch" a Palestine propaganda puff piece. There were at my last count nearly 300 comments and with a few exceptions, not worth the time. However, one woman wrote a vivid personal account (#199) worthy of your time and has some HAMAS CHARTER quotes (#204-#212) that further spells out the Islamobots disgusting goals and practices, that this post touched on. Ubil_kassim's light into the darkness of the this infestation is more than clear, even for the Kosmicly reduced.
Posted by: forest hunter at February 20, 2006 06:52 PM (Fq6zR)
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I'm a big fan of our Prez, but someone should get him a link to the Jawa Report so he can see the real meaning of the word "Islam." Peaceful it ain't.
Posted by: Phil at February 20, 2006 07:14 PM (6nPeV)
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The new Danes and Squareheads - so typical! er, gutless wonders - what islam is, is decided by (surprise) islam! All your faux-intellectual whinning isn't going to change that or impress them.
Condemn - whatever - its all talk - I know and the muslims know it.
Posted by: hondo at February 20, 2006 07:38 PM (fyKFC)
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Phil:
Honestly, do you think the President doesn't know what Islam is all about, it's goals? or all the analysts that report to him daily do not?
The statement he makes makes sure we do not alienate the billion plus Muslims, and strategic islamic Governments. E.G Saudi Arabia (oil/military bases) Jordan (staging/intelligence) etc.
I believe he gets it. The only thing saying what he thinks would get you is attacks against U.S interests everywhere in hosts nations, $6-10 gallon gas, etc.
Posted by: dave at February 20, 2006 08:41 PM (CcXvt)
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They serve a lesser God. They have no faith in their God. Islam sees Alah as being so weak and insignificant that they need to take care of business for him...Christians see something anti God...and go "damn...he's gonna burn"...Muslims strap a bomb to their chest because they have to kill to get to heaven...Christians must only repent...THEY have no faith! They are Godless...
Posted by: Bob at February 20, 2006 09:47 PM (EKMxC)
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Bush is a lot cleverer than people give him credit for. I believe the reason he has been so quiet on this cartoon issue, heck even sounding limp wristed, is because he is happy to let all his haters enjoy the hatred first hand.
When he asked for help in iraq and went to liberate iraqis and afghans, the media, leftists and europeans (not all), shafted him and celebrated at every percieved failure in Iraq, they continued appeasing islam and jihadists, George Bush was just stupid and was just infringing on the rights of America haters and the media.
Well since the cartoons were published, muslims rampaged and burned, afterall the targets of the jihadist venom (Europeans, media outlets and supposed rights groups) can see if their appeasement and diplomacy will now work.
You see it was easy to laugh at Bush and his Brave soldiers, battling jihadists and terrorists, it was easy to say, if you hadn't gone to Iraq, they would'nt hate you so much.
Can you imagine if bush had come out and said it was fine to print the cartoons, as it is, America is blamed for all the worlds problems, so why add to it.
I think its a brilliant strategy, the haters told Bush, your on your own in Iraq, so he just returned the favour, your on your own too, deal with the burning and beheading, why don't you hire a lawyer, call CNN, try the Hague, make a speech at the Geneva conventions.
Posted by: MathewK at February 20, 2006 10:33 PM (pVHqF)
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I believe Bush gets it too but I would define response as self-conscious of how he'll be portrayed by many in the media. Its a hard game of manoeuvering in which he's unable to truly relax. He ends up compromising when it should be strait, right from the gut, on this and many other issues.
Still, this is a politically delicate situation nobody would have expected. They were published 5 months ago... who could have imagined massive and violent no-life insanity. I'm not not sorry he appeared soft for one big reason, the safety of our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Posted by: Javapuke at February 21, 2006 12:53 AM (QJsl7)
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Speaking of Bush, I must now question his judgment, if not his integrity, because of this whole deal about turning management of the ports over to an arab company. What the hell is he thinking? Is he stupid or corrupt? There is no other option. Why not quit screwing around and just invite Osama over and hand him the keys to the White House? The only way to deal with muslims is to kill them, but he wants to hand control over our ports of entry to them.
I hate to say it, but maybe the idiot liberals were right about him all along, maybe he is as stupid as they say. I have totally lost confidence in him and his advisors, and I doubt if I will ever vote Republican again, because they seem to be as crooked and moronic as the dhimmicraps.
As for the apologists in Europe, they're running out of apologies double quick, and will soon find themselves barricaded in their houses waiting to be burned to death, which is a fitting end to appeasers. Maybe the muslim scum will go on a real rampage soon and kill lots of people in Europe, and people there will finally wake up.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 21, 2006 05:22 AM (0yYS2)
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I think the cartoon was a wonderful piece of western comedy. Why shouldn't we be allowed to make fun at people? In Denmark, Britain, or anywhere else in Europe wants to make a joke, then let them. They are good, free countries, where free-speech is a fundemental value.
Posted by: john at March 09, 2006 03:04 AM (/hO3k)
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Why don't you make some funny jokes about Zionists? Or does freedom of speech not apply if someone talks about the atrocities Israel? How can you defend the murderous rampage that Bush and the troops are committing every day killing innocent women and children? The ruling of death for an apostate only applies in certain situations when the apostate is a traitor and deceives or betrays the country that is protecting him. Stop being ignorant and look at things in context and with a knowledgeable mind.
Posted by: Sam Kat at March 15, 2006 04:14 PM (iBZJv)
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