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I don't know who this "the Lord" guy is, but it certainly doesn't sound like I would want to mess with him.
I'm just sayin'
Posted by: Krusty Krab at July 15, 2005 03:42 PM (iHszS)
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I am truly wrestling with my commentary for this post---- I know as a Christian I am called to love my enemies, but Lord only knows how filled with anger and rage I was after reading the article. 27 "But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. 30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31 Do to others as you would have them do to you. 32 "If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' do that. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. 35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. Show me where you will find such a commandment to love in the Koran.
I am truly torn by this.
Posted by: kyer at July 15, 2005 04:30 PM (k32KA)
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couldn't "love thy enemies" have been mistranslated from "daisycutter thy enemies" ? After all those scribes probably did not have the word "daisycutter" in their vocab?
Posted by: dave at July 15, 2005 04:58 PM (fsJ2z)
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Two quick notes:
My passage is from the Gospel of Luke, while MDV's "passage" is actually a sorta a "collage", and a work-off of
Ezekiel 25:17 (Scroll down to "Jules' Bible passage" for the explanation)
Posted by: kyer at July 15, 2005 04:59 PM (k32KA)
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I was quoting Jules in the movie Pulp Fiction.
Posted by: Mad Dog Vinnie at July 15, 2005 05:18 PM (Kr6/f)
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I know, bro, I was just clarifying for those who didn't catch onto the "Pulp Non-Fiction" title.
Posted by: kyer at July 15, 2005 05:21 PM (k32KA)
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For some reason, your post made that phrase just pop into my head.
Posted by: Mad Dog Vinnie at July 15, 2005 05:23 PM (Kr6/f)
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You can love your enemies while killing them, you know. Just because someone forces you to kill them doesn't mean you have to hate them. God was smiting people left and right in the old days, but he loves us all, doesn't he? How can we be expected to be greater if even God gacks His enemies. I love my family, but if one of them ever comes at me with a knife, they're going down and not getting back up, and strangers can expect no better.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 15, 2005 06:01 PM (0yYS2)
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I'd forgotten that scene with Jules. If you can overlook who said it in the movie, it's rather moving.
Posted by: Oyster at July 15, 2005 09:15 PM (YudAC)
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IM: I speak as a Christian, and IM (who, I believe, is NOT) is theologically right on the money.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 16, 2005 10:36 AM (eZCZt)
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IM's right. Christianity is just like The Force. You want to strike down your enemies without giving into the Dark Side.
Posted by: Carlos at July 16, 2005 11:33 AM (UWO6N)
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Note the Lord never says what to do if slapped on the other check after you offer it.
Posted by: Howie at July 16, 2005 07:36 PM (D3+20)
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And also note he only asks that we turn one cheek-- once-- not both cheeks ad infinitum.
Posted by: Carlos at July 16, 2005 08:46 PM (8e/V4)
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Meant to add this before--JP II and past popes have repeatedly spoken out and written about the dangers and evils of Marxism and Communism. And pacifism in all situations has NEVER been a Church teaching.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 17, 2005 10:04 AM (IHxV5)
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When a child I found that Franciscan Nuns with rulers were not pacifists.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 19, 2005 11:21 PM (CBNGy)
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People who try to find some limitation in Jesus's commandment to love our enemies remind me of people who try to hide behind various meanings of what the word "is" is. Obviously, Jesus is not saying, "Love your enemies unless ..." or "Love your enemies until ..." or "Try loving your enemies for a while and then if that doesn't work, kill them."
One of the previous respondents is incorrect in saying that "pacifism in all situations has NEVER been a church teaching." Some Christian denominations have long histories of pacifism. The fact that some other denominations have not embraced pacifism is arguably just one more example of how those non-pacifist Christians have ignored some of Jesus's teachings.
Posted by: Greg at August 08, 2005 04:56 PM (7lVHX)
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