1 Interesting. How can troll say that there is no difference between the two? Having your throat slit, held down till you bled out and then having your head sawed off in a grotesque, vile, brutal, gagging manner certainly is different than what happened at Abu Ghraib prison. Of course, neither should be accepted but the people, and I'm not making excuses for them, at Abu Ghraib prison were not regular military personnel but rather National Guardsmen and women and reservists who do not do this for a living. They are being charged for their crimes and will have significant jail sentences on those few who were involved. THERE'S NO COMPARISON HERE. The man who died in Abu Ghraib prison was treated with respect - wrapped, iced and bagged and I'm sure an autopsy was done on him and if indeed he was killed through beatings, I think we would have heard about that already. Troll must be from the Middle East or even Saudi Arabia where beheading is punishment there but they don't make the people suffer. ARGH! In Gitmo, those people were considered "enemy combatants" and I'm sure some torture was done, but not horrificly, to get info out of them for these were the dangerous ones. As enemy combatants, they had no rights and if our troops did indeed torture them, how come they look so good and not harmed in any way? There is just no comparison and you pointed that out, as well as I did, in "torture vs torture." Stupidity is as stupidity does and stupidity says. ~C

2 I find it endlessly interesting that the troll, who is essentially seeking to occupy the moral high ground with it's comment fails to do so at all well, while the Persian poster does so unintentionally, effortlessly and gracefully. It's thing like this that make me lament the decline of the arts and letters in education.

3 FBA, I think the Troll is about 17 years old. If not physically, then mentally. Moral relativism is a game played when have a poor concept of reality. It happens when the term "genocide" is used to describe cutting funding for after-school programs. Then you forget that millions of people dying is much, much worse. And yes, the Abu Ghraib business is very bad and requires the harshest response from our government. Just don't give me the moral equivalence crap.

4 Here's another hint: No one at Abu Ghraib is charged with killing anybody. What they did was 'humiliate' people. That's it. Another difference: When our soldiers beat people, they are acting improperly and are charged with a crime. When Saddam's thugs did what they did they were following policy. They were rewarded for killing people.

5 Exactly.

6 Wasn't it Stalin who said 'one death is a tragedy while a million deaths is a statistic'? This relativism disease is just way out of hand.

7 Gordon, "And yes, the Abu Ghraib business is very bad and requires the harshest response from our government. Just don't give me the moral equivalence crap." That isn't what I said but there is a difference between the folks at Abu Graib so called torture done by only a several people, who were reservists and guardsmen and what happened there is a huge difference between what all there terrorist cells have been doing all along. There is no comparison whatsoever. Just take a look of the terrorist videos and then I have proved my point. ~C