While the PA sought to downplay the transitional period as one of peace and calm, "Suicide bombers, as young as three, have begun to line up to kill Arafat's Infidel Doctors," Said one source who believed that the PA leader's illness was a Zionist plot. Most of the world, though, discounts this Highly Irrational Version of why Arafat died. Although one prominent American author, now living in Paris, claims that "Arafat was shot down by a US missile. I have conclusive evidence."
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Symptoms don't seem at all compatible with AIDS. Rapid decline, entering into a coma, etc.? Thanks to modern drugs, most people with even a smidge of money don't die very rapidly with HIV, if ever.
What of these reports that Arafat was poisoned by Israel? I initially saw that on the Hamas news site, which I visited for the first time. But then I read it elsewhere.
I.e.
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/250134p-214174c.html
I would actually be MORE skeptical if not for the comical way Israel has denied it, i.e.
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"It's absolute nonsense; it's completely ridiculous," an Israeli government source said.
~ ~
Referring to accusations made against Israel by Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal, who said Israel had poisoned Arafat, Shalom said the accusations were "baseless lies."
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Arafat's doctor, Ashraf Kurdi: "Arafat's health condition makes poisoning a strong possibility."
Ali Kazak, head of the Palestinian delegation to Australia: "The doctors until now could not diagnose precisely what is wrong with him, but it is believed there is a poison. It could be poison because they have checked everything, and his body is in good health, there is no cancer, it is not leukemia."
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Obviously, even if there is no poison, there has to be a poison, so Arafat can be martyred as promised. But IS there anything to this poison stuff? Now I'm a bit intrigued.
Hamas's take << gospel truth
quick mention by the Jerusalem Post
Posted by: trr at November 11, 2004 11:22 AM (Fi+Cz)
Posted by: Chadster at November 11, 2004 11:23 AM (v+/cS)
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Can you believe the fucker had a kid in '95? And the first time I saw a photo of his wife, I was shocked. She seems very young and dresses more western.
Posted by: Laura at November 11, 2004 12:16 PM (ptOpl)
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"And the first time I saw a photo of his wife, I was shocked. She seems very young and dresses more western."
That's probably because you have many misconceptions about Muslims. A significant number of them are pretty secular and prefer a western style of life (such as those in Turkey), sprinkled with some religious piety for good measure. That's why I keep saying on here that just because a person is Muslim doesn't mean they're automatically a threat to your way of life.
Posted by: Venom at November 11, 2004 01:08 PM (dbxVM)
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Codeblueblog MD's speculation in the comments at
Dr Rangel is the best I've seen yet. Go to the link for the whole thing ( and other guesses by medicos working from available info)
I think the final diagnosis is going to be Hepatitis and iatrogenicide. He had hepatitis all along (viral illness, flulike, elevated WBC, elevated LFT's, inanition) and they got so crazy flying him to Paris and rushing to rule out Leukemia that they killed him in the process.
Posted by: SarahW at November 11, 2004 01:18 PM (wSzxF)
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Wouldn't he have had to appear jaundiced to have hepatitis? I don't remember any reports mentioning yellow skin or eyes (mind you, I'm no doctor, so maybe the absence of these symptoms means nothing regarding hepatitis).
Posted by: Venom at November 11, 2004 01:29 PM (dbxVM)
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Venom -
Suha is kind of a crappy example of your point. She was a Palestinian Catholic, with well-to-do Catholic parents, raised in convent schools.
Her conversion was a matter of practical convenience, more political than spiritual...
Posted by: SarahW at November 11, 2004 01:35 PM (wSzxF)
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Venom: You've no idea what my perceptions are! I was more shocked at her apparent youth than I was by her dress!
Posted by: Laura at November 11, 2004 01:38 PM (ptOpl)
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Venom - No, you don't have to have jaundice to have hepatitis.
http://www.meddean.luc.edu/lumen/MedEd/orfpath/virhepa.htm
Posted by: SarahW at November 11, 2004 01:40 PM (wSzxF)
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Is it really AIDS? I dunno--but that sure would be funny.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 11, 2004 01:44 PM (JQjhA)
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"Suha is kind of a crappy example of your point. She was a Palestinian Catholic, with well-to-do Catholic parents, raised in convent schools."
Fair enough, probably a bad example given her upbringing; but, the point still stands that there are tens of millions of secular Muslims out there that don't fit the stereotypes often thrown about here.
Posted by: Venom at November 11, 2004 01:52 PM (dbxVM)
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Can someone please explain to me why the hell Arafart won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1994?
Really wanna know, all kidding aside. I don't understand that at all.
(shaking head)
Posted by: Laura at November 11, 2004 03:19 PM (ptOpl)
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If I remember Arafat was awarded the Peace prize because he met with Israel to discuss peace. Prior to that the Palestinians would not negotiate anything. The Israeli leader at the time ( can't think well today after celebrating the MARINE CORPS birthday last night) shared in the peace prize. In other words they both received the Nobel Peace Prize for shaking hands on TV. Then returned to what they were doing before. Namely, trying to kill each other.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 11, 2004 04:26 PM (eVGfQ)
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Thx, Roost. And what is with all his blowing kisses to the crowds and kissing babies and children? Makes him look like a harmless old grandpa, don't it?
Rest in hell, Arafuck.
Posted by: Laura at November 11, 2004 06:28 PM (ptOpl)
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Afafat is in hell, that is for sure--right next to Gandhi, George Burns, and JFK.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 11, 2004 09:06 PM (JQjhA)
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No major Islamic group has ever spoke against the doctrine of armed Jihad.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 12, 2004 01:12 AM (eVGfQ)
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What "mystery disease" could it be that no one wants to talk about? And why is the widow, living away from her husband, being paid so much money to be quiet about it? Doesn't this sound like some other celebrity deaths?
Hint: at his funeral, the appropriate dirge should sound like this - to disco music:
"Macho, macho man! I want to be a macho man..."
Not that there's anything wrong with THAT.
Posted by: A Shy Person at November 12, 2004 05:12 AM (QehG4)
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"Afafat is in hell, that is for sure--right next to Gandhi, George Burns, and JFK."
Whoa...slow down. You can't throw out a list like that without providing a bit of explanation.
None of those guys are in my own personal hell (which includes the original Barney the dinosaur, Gilbert and Sullivan, John Wilkes Boothe, and possibly Bob Hope, but definitely not George Burns)
"No major Islamic group has ever spoke against the doctrine of armed Jihad."
Of course they haven't, and there's a reason for that. It's because JIHAD IS PART OF ISLAM. It's mostly an internal struggle between good and evil tendencies, but just war (generally defensive) is also a part of Islam. In general, Christian scholars tend to believe "just war" is part of Christianity as well.
Many, many major Islamic groups however have spoken out against suicide bombings, attacks against innocent civilians, and the kind of senseless nonsense that bin Laden promotes.
There are fuzzy lines, like what's going on with the Palestinian resistance, that even I have trouble with, and my ethical barometer is pretty sound, I believe. When a group of people are up against the wall (literally in this case), they certainly have a right to defend themselves. If they don't have conventional weapons, guerilla warfare might be understandable. So SOME of the Palestinian resistance is reasonable, as I see it, but targeting innocent civilians can never be tolerated in this day and age. It's not only immoral, but it sabotages the cause, because it turns off the people who could actually help -- the people in the mainstream, the ones with the money and the power.
Posted by: trr at November 12, 2004 06:03 AM (5gh+7)
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With George Burns and Ghandi???? Pray tell, why, Rusty???? JFK, I understand.
Posted by: Laura at November 12, 2004 08:24 AM (ptOpl)
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Mr Arafat had more political lives than a cat, surviving expulsion as a guerrilla leader first from Jordan, then from Lebanon, and even overcoming the fury of Arab governments when, in 1990, he hailed Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait. Four years later, reborn as a statesman after the signing of the Oslo accords with Israel and about to win the Nobel Peace Prize, the Palestinian leader celebrated a triumphant "homecoming" to Gazza.
What he then promised his people was "to build a new Palestinian Authority which will lead to a new democratic state".
Instead, the regime he created and dominated was corrupt and incompetent; authoritarian yet increasingly impotent; and riven by rivalries, resentments and poverty that Islamist extremists found easy to exploit. For the US, as well as Israel, the end of the Arafat road was reached in 2000, when he backed away at the last minute from a peace deal painstakingly brokered by President Clinton. The failed deal cost Ehud Barak the leadership of Israel and was followed by futile intifada. Attacks were launched not only by groups such as Hamas, dedicated to Israel's destruction, but also by suicide bombers recruited by the armed wing of Mr Arafat's own Fatah organisation. Mr Arafat publicly condemned terrorism, but failed to arrest the terrorists, dismissing those who, like his Interior Minister, Muhammad Dahlan, attempted to enforce something approaching the rule of law.
The Bush Administration's "road map" assumes the existence of a viable Palestinian interlocutor. With Mr Arafat gone, it is possible for such a figure to emerge. Isolation, internal violence and near-war with Israel have immiserated Palestinians. They need political reforms to run Gaza effectively in the event of Israeli disengagement. They will have neither jobs nor investment unless they can banish the militants and then court Israel's co-operation. George W.Bush's decisive election victory creates a momentum for progress. Ariel Sharon's willingness to pull Israeli soldiers and settlers out of the Gaza Strip is a further hopeful sign. Out of this death, may come a better life for the peoples of two tortured lands.
Posted by: Adam at November 12, 2004 09:05 AM (PM/BC)
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I read that his personal physician wants to do an autopsy, which is now a mute point, being he's buried already. He said that the Paris physicians were incompentent because they couldn't figure out what it was. Most likely poisoning?!
He said he would have performed an autopsy immediately since no cause was found.
Posted by: Laura at November 12, 2004 09:13 AM (ptOpl)
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ARAFAT'S RULE OF EXPEDIENCY.
Arafat's pursuit of the politics of expediency led him to support the killing of students in Tiananmem Square and the suppression of the democracy movement. He expressed "extreme gratification that you were able to restore normal order after the recent incidents in People's China". He was also sympathetic to the coup in the USSR to overthrow Gorbachev in 1991. He was silent on the gassing of Kurds by Saddam.
Following Arafat's return to Palestine, the human rights organisation B'Tselem had to deal with human rights violations by the Palestinian Authority as well as by Israelis. Arafat's inability to stand still ideologically, led to a deep suspicion of him and accusations of duplicity in Israel during the years of the peace process. This, in turn, undermined the Israeli left, which implicitly attempted to defend him through supporting the Oslo accords. His effective rejection of the Clinton proposals in December 2000 helped in the election of Sharon and the final betrayal of the peace camps in both Israel and Palestine.
In an age of decolonisation, the British left equates national struggles with progressive politics. In the 1950s, Bevan condemned Nasser's nationalism, but the deification of Arafat suggests many today are less discerning.
Posted by: Adam at November 13, 2004 08:48 AM (PM/BC)
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Isaiah's dream of peace, 2,700 years ago was "...they shall beat their swords into ploughshares...neither shall they learn war anymore". We pray Arafat's successor will indoctrinate no more children to kill and that Israel can return their Caterpillars to resume making the "desert bloom". Gaza is built on sand dunes and all of it can bloom, just like the Israeli settlements in Gush Katif.
Posted by: kev at November 13, 2004 08:55 AM (PM/BC)
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Okay Mr Goldbloom, think we got that.
Posted by: wekno at November 14, 2004 04:07 AM (QA+t3)
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The day people live in peace with their fellow man
without needing to bash him over the head because
his religious beliefs differ from their own, or treat him
with any less humanity than they would expect to be afforded
to themselves will be a fine one indeed.
Posted by: wekno at November 14, 2004 04:13 AM (QA+t3)
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What I would like to know is how the state of Israel can expect to live in peace when they are still building homes for the most ultra
othodox Jews on Palestinian land.This in itself is like laughing in the face of the enemy.I would never support any act of terrorism or
the takilng of human life to further ones cause of retaliation lin the face of injusdice. If somebody came and occupied your house and eating from your orange tree and taking away your right to go on living there in peace with your family I'm sure you might be so filled with hatted you would want to even kill them.The underlying issues still remain unresolved in the middle east.Until something is done to redress the balance and give back people their homes and land their will be no peace in the world.We can go on attacking Terrorists wherever they are but unless the underlying grievances they hold which are at the root of this terrorism,the problem will never ge solved no matter how many more people die.
Posted by: wekno at November 14, 2004 04:31 AM (QA+t3)
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Sounds like ADAM has done his homework on Arafat the clown. Off the subject but damn was Arafat ugly.
Posted by: grreyrooster at November 16, 2004 01:42 PM (UkXdy)
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There are more fools in the world than there are people. Heinrich Heine (1797 - 1856)
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