December 02, 2005

On Propaganda in War II: Electric Bugaloo

Matt Welch has responded to those arguing for propaganda in Reason magazine here. Matt and I have exchanged several e-mails over the subject, the crux of which were "Boy, I just really wish we had the time to delve into this more deeply"--or, at least, I wish I had more time. I mean, it is Friday and I am a university professor and blogging is work.....

Nevetheless, the divide here seems to be between the neo-libertarian right--which believes liberty means something different in war time than in peace--and the paleo-libertarian right--which believes (at least under my reading) that liberty is a constant.

Here is one of the core arguments made by Matt:

Shackleford's folly, aside from the feeble unpatriotic slap, is that that formulation assumes all weapons are equally neutral in moral value and practical effectiveness, which they are not. There's a reason, aside from international treaty, we no longer use nerve gas on enemy lines, or napalm on villages, or atomic bombs on cities -- world reaction would cause more negative consequences than whatever "positive" gains could be had on the ground. And if we used horses to do a tank's job, or muskets instead of M-16s, these weapons wouldn't be an "asset," they'd be a hindrance.
Since the majority of Matt's Reason article targets my post on Propaganda in a State of War, and since I can't really respond to all of his objections right now, what to do? Call in the pinch-hitter, of course. This is the American League, after all.

Now batting for Rusty Shackleford, Steve Green the Vodkapundit:

Now then. If a nuke were to go off in New York or Los Angeles or even Des Moines tomorrow, do you doubt that even President Kerry (cough, cough) would hesitate before retaliating in kind? Oh, but that would be retaliation, wouldn't it? And would it not therefore be a fair response? And what about propaganda? It's not as if the enemy doesn't use it – so why should our government be so restrained? Especially when our stuff is pretty damn innocent? [Read the rest]
Home run!

The second, and more important argument made by Matt is on the effectiveness of propaganda. Even if it is moral to use, it should not be if it does more harm than good:

Is unlabeled propaganda a useful weapon? In the long run I don't think it is. First, people will eventually find out, either from military officials alarmed at the practice, or Iraqi journalists with whatever motive. As most dictators have eventually learned, truth [ed note: emphasis mine] has a way breaking through even the tightest of seals.
The major problem here is the assumption that propaganda produced by the U.S. military may not be true. To believe propaganda is always based on lies is to fundamentally misunderstand the definition of propaganda. Propaganda is the use of information to a specific ends, or the use of information (which may be true) to further specific goals.

And as long as we're playing with effete American League rules, why not send in two pinch-hitters for Shackleford (after all, I'm a pitcher not a catcher)? Now batting for Rusty Shackleford, Jeff Goldstein of Protein Wisdon:

....the actual “outing” of the propaganda effort by the LAT is, ironically, the only thing that might cause the effort to backfire—but then, we murder to dissect, as they say....

Taking this parallel one step further, let me add that our use of propaganda seems to me to fit this paradigm perfectly, insofar as we have used it to beat back the anti-American rhetoric coming not only from the Arab world, but from the western press as well.

Or to put it more bluntly, this campaign was designed to retaliate not only against enemy propaganda in Iraq and other parts of the middle east, but ironically (and sadly) against our very own media, whose coverage has been almost uniformly sensationalistic and dire. [Read the rest]

Ouch. If not a Grand Slam then at least a two-run homer.

UPDATE: Wunderkraut sends me a link to this nifty graphic from File It Under. Click it for a larger view and then go check out the original post here.

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1 Nice work, Professor. Matt keeps on hammering on the point that *all* propaganda is useless or worse, without ever quite saying exactly how. I don't know about you, but I'm a little tired with the whole thing. And when I say "the whole thing," I mean this hipper-than-thou libertarian pose that anything emanating from the Pentagon must be lies.

Posted by: Stephen Green at December 02, 2005 12:10 PM (QzFHt)

2 I am pretty confident that the "propaganda"in both the newspapers and the purchased Iraqi radio station was seen by most Iraqis for exactly what it was, propoganda. Do you think that this "outing" came as a surprise to the Iraqis ? Who do you think has a better idea of what is going on in Iraq ? Americans or Iraqis ? Did the pictures of abu Gharib come more of a shock to Americans or Iraqis ? For any propaganda to be useful, it must be believed.

Posted by: john Ryan at December 02, 2005 12:28 PM (ads7K)

3 Did the pictures of abu Gharib come more of a shock to Americans or Iraqis ? Pictures from when? If you're talking about Graner, et. al., from what I understand, the Iraqis were impressed that we owned up to the abuses and punished the abusers. If you're talking about pictures from Saddam's regime, then I don't think they've seen much circulation here in the US. Too nasty for the press to let us know about, apparently -- not that covering up for Saddam's reign of terror is propaganda. No siree. That's just good journalism, protecting sources.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at December 02, 2005 12:46 PM (1j9aH)

4 I defend my share of Matt's diatribe in Big Whup Camp, Day 2

Posted by: Chuck Simmins at December 02, 2005 01:13 PM (t2RbV)

5 Damn good showing. It is a sad fact that we even have to be doing this to help offset our own media. But that is the part that the Left can not understand. See, to them we have a nice fair and balanced media. Like I posted today: It's not like these stories are fake or false. No, they are stories about schools and hospitals and clean water and sanitation. Damn, our guys are EVIL! File It Under has an awesome post about this today along with a great graphic.

Posted by: WunderKraut at December 02, 2005 01:42 PM (0yMxr)

6 The loneliest job in the world must be the public affairs officers working at http://www.centcom.mil They release hundreds of positive stories in Iraq, and Afghanistan showing progress in both rebuilding the countries, and individual acts of charity by Units/Soldiers, other than Jawa and LGF I cannot remember anyone citing centcom as a source, and I don't think I can recall reading any of them on the site and seeing them on TV.

Posted by: dave at December 02, 2005 02:43 PM (CcXvt)

7 I wonder if those who object to gov't funding or furnishing of information that is intended to sway minds feel the same way about gov't funded or legislated information campaigns intended to reduce smoking, encourage seat-belt use, discourage racism, discourage teenage drinking and drug use, etc? I wonder, but I think I can guess fairly accurately.

Posted by: DSmith at December 02, 2005 08:20 PM (xDhz9)

8 One question I have for those who think this propaganda is harmful to the mission is: Should the US never counter or promote itself in the Iraqi and Arabic media? Should we sit around with our thumbs up our collective @ss and not respond to the misinfomation and propaganda issued by the MSM and terrorists? That seems like a route to certain disaster under Vodkapundit's conjecture that the WoT is as much a media/information war as it is a hot conflict. We are already disliked and distrusted by the majority of the Arab world, damaged done, for better or worse, our fault or not. You can't break a glass twice. Facts and emphasis on real projects and iniatives can't do anymore damage. In a more tame arena, the Clinton's famous war-room was designed to counter and beat back all claims by the Bush team quickly. Now the American people distrust politicians and PR spokesholes as much then as they do now. I have yet to hear or read any negative consequences of the Clinton war-room, rather we are told again and again that the war-room was a big part of the campaign that got the Clintons into office.

Posted by: adamthemad at December 02, 2005 09:05 PM (Mv4Mu)

9 Agent Jones says that in the name of GAOTU, all crimes are leased.

Posted by: Agent Smith at December 02, 2005 10:53 PM (Y5zcg)

10 When did people with Welch's views become libertarians? I like to read the guy and think he is smart, but a libertarian? I always wondered why he called himself that, maybe it was the legalization issue? What I'm saying is that he seems pretty freakin' Left to me.

Posted by: Pepys at December 02, 2005 11:38 PM (TMQ/j)

11 Agent Jones has found photo images taken from Iraq at http://dahrjamailiraq.com/gallery/albums.php?set_albumListPage=1

Posted by: Agent Smith at December 03, 2005 06:43 AM (gQOoS)

12 HEY! Obscure 80s refs in general, and "Electric Boogaloo" specifically is MY dohicky. I have a, well, .... , I pissed on that tree first. Well, I will share in with the good Dr. Shackleford....that is the least I can do. I am honored that it isn't as dorky as Mrs. Salamander says. Harumph. Word to your mother!

Posted by: CDR Salamander at December 03, 2005 07:30 AM (RAU18)

13 The fact of the matter is that the LAT and NYT reporters have committed treason. I mean that as a matter of fact, not hyperbole. Deliberately exposing the Pentagon's propaganda/counter-propaganda program was an act in no substantial way different than publishing the routes and sailing times of convoys would have been during WWII. These "journalists" deserve to spend the rest of their days in prison, or worse. No joke, no tongue-in-cheek here.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at December 03, 2005 11:56 AM (RHG+K)

14 I'm with ya Bluto.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 03, 2005 02:54 PM (0yYS2)

15 Agent Smith hereby nominates Judith Miller and William Kristol as recipients of the Architect's "Treason Award".

Posted by: Agent Smith at December 03, 2005 09:51 PM (VDGim)

16 DSmith: Spend my tax dollars to discourage racism. Now that is what I call a waste of money. Racism rules and us racists are growing in number every day. White people must be racist to protect themselves from the ghetto loving liberals in our government.

Posted by: greyrooster at December 04, 2005 07:39 AM (gvOyZ)

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