1 Whether or not he was a jihadi may yet be unclear. But look at the cost of investigating this case based on the presence of the following: FBI ATF Joint Terrorism Task Force University of Oklahoma Police Department Norman Police Department Cleveland County Sheriff's Office - and decide how long/how much money is to be dedicated to accepting Islam, a most intolerant concept, protected under the US constitution as a valid religion.

2 Right. If this kid just wanted to off himself he could have done it cheaper. I don't mean to sound cruel, and I'm sure some will condemn me for it anyway (I'm ready - hit me) but taking pills or using a gun would have left no question that it was simply suicide and there wouldn't be forty committees and departments spending time trying to figure it out. Not to mention the unease of all the other students and faculty.

3 And I'm not really buying into the father's confidence that "his son didn't intend to harm anyone and wasn't motivated by a political agenda" When he sees his father for only a half hour in a year, I highly doubt the father knew what was going on in his son's life. Hinrichs last visited his family this year, when he stopped by for about a half hour while on a road trip, his father said. ---------- Also NEIN seems to be right about the TATP since the FBI told the father that hydrogen peroxide was used to construct the bomb, and the father told the AP. And TATP can be made from H2O2. So NEIN might also be correct about the Jihad papers.

4 I live in Norman, Oklahoma, and have carefully studied the news reports about the bombing. The facts reported, when taken together, strongly suggest that the bomber intended to kill others attending the football game, but experienced an accidental early detonation. Most likely he was planning on detonating during halftime, when crowds were on the campus sidewalks. I have seen no credible evidence that Islamic Jihad literature was in his possession. Go here for my commentary and documentation: http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=8619

5 There is a growing Islama-facist movement in the Midwest. This event is just the beginning. They are armed, militant and awaiting orders. For MORE info follow these links: http://www.thecontact.org OR, http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/contact1/pg4.html

6 Look, this is personal for me, since Joe was a fraternity Brother (same chapter, in fact), so take this with a grain of salt if you must: You guys should consider for a minute that suicide is common among young men, and common among engineers, in relation to the general population. Joe apparently had been having a hard time lately, and that certainly correlates with suicidal tendencies as well. So tell me, Oyster, would you in such a state have given a half a goddamn for what other people would do after you died??? Not much point in killing yourself if you care about public opinion, eh? Think for a minute, guys, how much unfounded rumor you are spreading. Which of you saying he had jihadi literature (one off the record comment reported by one not-well-respected source of information (NIN is the American Debka)) were - or still are - piling on the media for their New Orleans reporting? Don't be assholes, 'kay?

7 The site of the "bombing" is hardly damaged (See here), and this evening the FBI is still saying there is no known link between Hinrichs and any terrorist activity (per Flopping Aces). Right now, I'm still more inclined to believe he was a disturbed young man with a flair for the dramatic.

8 Islam is out to kill us all!

9 Michelle Malkin has a nice mug of the guy. Note the distinctive beard. Let me take a crack at profiling the suspect: Given the descriptions I've read of Hinrichs, he suffered from depression, neurosis, and likely had a deep need for the systemization of the world around him. This last characteristic manifested itself in his intense and early interest in machines, and his difficulty in relating with his peers. ( I fathom that he may have had at least a mild autistic tendencies.) Ultimately, I think he was able to find a philosophical structure which provided him a complete, and, for him, what must have been a blessedly inflexible systemization of life and the world. He pursued this structure to one of its natural consequences. Again, check the beard, people. I don't think he was trying to look like Weird Al in the "Amish Paradise" vid.

10 President Bush is like God dude. we need to worship our President more. I don't think we are doing enough, how can we do more ?

11 TATP is an easy explosive to make, and a very difficult one to make correctly! Make a mistake and you get an explosive that can go off accidently, and is highly unstable. There have been many "accidental" explosions of this chemical. Given the reports of jihadist literature in the bombers room, his Pakistani roomate, and the use of a chemical known to be a favorite of the Islamists, it would appear that this was an attempt to do a lot more than kill himself.

12 Assuming that the reports of a disappeared Pakistani roommate, member of a mosque, apparent Islamic conversion, and so on are true (if none of this is true, oh, well): I think the biggest problem we have with Islamo-facist infiltration is with student visas, not an open border with Mexico. It seems to be a lot easier to convince the State Dept to let you in the US than taking the illegal route. FYI: Just read "Teeth of the Tiger" by Clancy. I'm a Clancy fan, so read at your own risk. Uses the open border idea pretty well. Good fiction, not necessarily a good basis for developing immigration policy.

13 cool story. Now if all the neocons would just blow themselves into pieces I would be real happy. Yummy

14 FIRST: Picture shows him with an Osama-Beard™. With no prior precedent this style of beard began to appear on a variety of males in the US after 9-11-01. Do the math, we pass for what we are whether unconciously rebellious or fanatically aligned. SECOND: His father, "as a father", hopes it was an accident and not suicide. If a man was trying to grasp the nature of his son's bizarre death, what would he say? /joel had be despondent for some time/ he was estranged, we hadn't heard from him in years, we're in shock/ we had no idea he converted, he never told us/ He'd like to think it was an accident---He'd like to think it was an accident---He'd like to think it was an accident. The only way it could be an accident is if this convert was planning to kill civilians WITH A BOMB. The legacy of that type of explosive goes directly to Muslims and Islamic terrorism. Detonating explosives against his intended plan was the ACCIDENT. Joel H. Hinrichs converts to Islam, wears the uniform beard, leaves school for a year, dies in an explosion while in possession of specific explosive materials and has a father who says it was suicide but would it would be best if it was an accident. There's no reason for the father to qualify the event in this manner. It speaks volumes. we pass for what we are

15 FIRST: Picture shows him with an Osama-Beard™. With no prior precedent this style of beard began to appear on a variety of males in the US after 9-11-01. Do the math, we pass for what we are whether unconciously rebellious or fanatically aligned. SECOND: His father, "as a father", hopes it was an accident and not suicide. If a man was trying to grasp the nature of his son's bizarre death, what would he say? /joel had be despondent for some time/ he was estranged, we hadn't heard from him in years, we're in shock/ we had no idea he converted, he never told us/ He'd like to think it was an accident---He'd like to think it was an accident---He'd like to think it was an accident. The only way it could be an accident is if this convert was planning to kill civilians WITH A BOMB. The legacy of that type of explosive goes directly to Muslims and Islamic terrorism. Detonating explosives against his intended plan was the ACCIDENT. Joel H. Hinrichs has a Pakistani room-mate, converts to Islam, wears the uniform beard, leaves school for a year, dies in an explosion while in possession of specific explosive materials and has a father who says it was suicide but would it would be best if it was an accident. There's no reason for the father to qualify the event in this manner. It speaks volumes. we pass for what we are

16 -Jeff: "Think for a minute, guys, how much unfounded rumor you are spreading". You should listen to your own words. You didn't present any facts. Suicide is not "common" among young men. Suicide at a football game is not "common". Suicide by TATP self detontation is not "common". I've never heard of suicide by TATP self detonation before, but we've all heard of suicide terror attacks using TATP. It's obvious that this situtation needs to be thoroughly investigated. Something that the mainstream media doesn't seem to want to do. In absence of the facts, you will get rumors and speculation.

17 Joel Henry Hinrichs III 1) Engineering student: This major is number one for most Islamic Terrorists........so he would have plenty of time to meet Jihadists. 2) His father works with Computer Software.....another possible liberal dad from the 60's or early 70's. 3) Sister is named BEREKELY............mmmmmmmm...........can we say LIBERAL .......Make love, not war......San Francisco Bay Area....Acid Dropping Hippie Parents! 4)Father HOPES IT WAS AN ACCIDENT.......why? Can we say FATHER GUILT........selfish Dad who still is trying to find his own personal NERVANA. 5) He fits the same profile as Johnnie Walker Lind....the San Franciso Bay Area child......who came from a set of Liberal left over 60 hippies! Father and mother divorced.......Dad finding out that he likes men rather than women.......Johnnie hating that fact....mother exploring the ancient religions like her son. 6) Then you have Berg....loans his computer for a future terrorist to send an email.........later finds himself in Iraq getting his head cut off for the cameras. Berg's father comes out and speaks....totally felt for this father. Later on his liberal views come out and my original profiling of his demeanor takes the best over me..........fits the total profile of a liberal San Francisco Bay Area........hippie male from the 60's. Let's wake up........this will be the profile of all American Sucide Bombers! They will come from upper middle class backgrounds....fathers will look like the singer James Taylor.....and father's occupation will be either an Engineer, Lawyer, Doctor, and Scientist. The sucide bomber will be in college or will have a college degree and will rarely speak to his father.......the same way his father could not relate to his "OLD MAN!" The Oklahoma Bomber was a total Islamic Convert who was trying to find some purpose in life.......and was nothing but a ponzi for the Muslim Brotherhood (Hamas cell in Oklahoma).

18 Joel Henry Hinrichs III 1) Engineering student: This major is number one for most Islamic Terrorists........so he would have plenty of time to meet Jihadists. 2) His father works with Computer Software.....another possible liberal dad from the 60's or early 70's. 3) Sister is named BEREKELY............mmmmmmmm...........can we say LIBERAL .......Make love, not war......San Francisco Bay Area....Acid Dropping Hippie Parents! 4)Father HOPES IT WAS AN ACCIDENT.......why? Can we say FATHER GUILT........selfish Dad who still is trying to find his own personal NERVANA. 5) He fits the same profile as Johnnie Walker Lind....the San Franciso Bay Area child......who came from a set of Liberal left over 60 hippies! Father and mother divorced.......Dad finding out that he likes men rather than women.......Johnnie hating that fact....mother exploring the ancient religions like her son. 6) Then you have Berg....loans his computer for a future terrorist to send an email.........later finds himself in Iraq getting his head cut off for the cameras. Berg's father comes out and speaks....totally felt for this father. Later on his liberal views come out and my original profiling of his demeanor takes the best over me..........fits the total profile of a liberal San Francisco Bay Area........hippie male from the 60's. Let's wake up........this will be the profile of all American Sucide Bombers! They will come from upper middle class backgrounds....fathers will look like the singer James Taylor.....and father's occupation will be either an Engineer, Lawyer, Doctor, and Scientist. The sucide bomber will be in college or will have a college degree and will rarely speak to his father.......the same way his father could not relate to his "OLD MAN!" The Oklahoma Bomber was a total Islamic Convert who was trying to find some purpose in life.......and was nothing but a ponzi for the Muslim Brotherhood (Hamas cell in Oklahoma).

19 "So tell me, Oyster, would you in such a state have given a half a goddamn for what other people would do after you died???" He apparently DID care. If he didn't, then a nice quiet overdose would have been in order. If he did, he might have jumped from a building or put a gun in his mouth in public. But no, Jeff, he BLEW HIMSLEF UP, JIHAD-STYLE, NEXT TO A PACKED STADIUM. Please take into consideration that many jihadis' strongest assets are CHEMISTS and ENGINEERS who build their bombs and tell them where to place them for maximum effect. You're not adressing any of the actual facts when you assume it was intended to be no more than a single suicide. 1) he lived around the corner from an Islamic center 2) his roommate was Pakistani 3) he was "troubled" (a perfect candidate for recruitment) 4) he tried to buy ammonium nitrate days before (we all know who has used it in the past) 5) HE BLEW HIMSLEF UP, JIHAD-STYLE, NEXT TO A PACKED STADIUM And those are just the "absolute" facts. And you ridicule us for suspecting it wasn't intended as just a single suicide? I'll wait for the conclusive report. But, in the meantime there are too many oddities connected to this to just say, "Dude, he was just depressed."

20 FWIW, the student suicides (6 or 7 I know of) at UCSD back in the early 80's when I was a grad student there were jumpers.

21 If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck. This guy has been sucked into being a jihadi. Open and shut. He even went to the same mosque Zacharias Moussaoui went to, fer cryin out loud. Jayna Davis who's been researching the Oklahoma bombing for years can tell you there's a thriving jihadi culture in and around Oklahoma. Unlikely but true!

22 10/6/2005 - 2:18 p.m. Pacific Time "Oct. 6, 2005 — The New York City Police Department is investigating what it deems a credible tip that 19 operatives have been deployed to New York to place bombs in the subway, and security in the subways will be increased, sources told ABC News. While the police department is taking the threat seriously, it is also urging the public not to be alarmed because — while the source is credible — the information has not been verified. NYC Increases Subway Security After Threat According to sources in intelligence, emergency services and police headquarters, when three Iraqi insurgents were arrested several days ago during a raid by a joint FBI-CIA team, one of those caught disclosed the threat. Because it slipped out during the arrest, the plot was deemed credible. After several days of work, sources said, the NYPD is increasingly concerned because it has been unable to discredit the initial source and additional information from the source. The 19 operatives were to place improvised explosive devices in the subways using briefcases, according to two sources. The police are deploying additional officers, dogs and heavy weapons teams in subways and commuter rail terminals, sources said. Department of Homeland Secuirty sources told ABC News they are very doubtful the threat information is credible, though NYPD sources said the information continues to come in and is disturbing."

23 (AP) - President Bush today proposed to militarize the border with Canada to halt the spread of AVIAN FLU. A similiar strain killed 50 million people in 1918.......... For MORE.........follow link provided@ Alien Nation Report

24 Oklahoma has long, long had the best engineering school for petro-geology and petroleum extraction in America. For this field, it is Harvard, Stanford, MIT all rolled into one. Naturally it has attracted petro-muslims in large numbers. The combination of engineering smarts and fanaticism should make this university an FBI priority.

25 Very well stated comments here. More interesting remarks here: http://thewoman.blogspot.com/2005/10/breath-still-being-held.html http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8852689&postID=112846727472222889 Let's cut to the chase!

26 I don't get the comments from some here that boil down to "this can't be real, HATE BUSH HATE BUSH". Bush's policies may be wrong AND the kid may have been a not-so-competent Jihadi. These things are not mutually exclusive. Get yer knees under control, people.

27 It's really a shameful thing; WSJ had a "slow news day" (and all the other media who jumped on this tragedy) and sought to defile the name and memory of an, obviously, troubled college student! At least have the decency to let the Hinrichs family mourn the loss of a loved one. In other words, just SHUT UP till you have the actual facts! J Gagnon, Golden CO

28 They call themselves the CHRISTIAN DEFENSE FORCE. It appears that a powerful and well financed U.S. patriot group is making itself known with a media blitz today - (AP) If the organization is for real, then there may be some urban warfare occuring on streets OUTSIDE of Baghdad.

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