1 Hey!!!! Nobody even signed this.......I went to a COMMUNITY COLLEGE and got 4 degrees in 2 years, raised boys, maintained my own home, no man in my life, had 2 jobs, paid a sitter and ended up with a 4.0 average in my mid 30's so I take real offense against your comment " teaches in a community college. That is one rung above wearing a paper hat and asking, "do you want to Supersize it?" SHAME ON YOU CHAD!!!!! Now as to this good professor, he should have been fired immediately or something strong enough to put his job at stake and told to go to counseling. PROUD GRADUATE OF A COMMUNITY COLLEGE Cindy

2 On top of that, I also taught 4 classes, tutored other students in my home on Saturdays. I did up my notes for the deaf kids and like any school, you had your good and your bad and you take from it what is best for you despite the teacher. Some people should never be teachers anyway. I did medical terminology, computerized accounting, had my own business and more - all from a COMMUNITY COLLEGE and I would recommend anyone and everyone to attend a community college, get their basics done, learn, study, do well, especially if they didn't know what they wanted to do yet. Chad, my blood pressure is boiling right now and I am really pissed at you. You took a perfectly good story and instead of focusing on the jerk of the professor, you put down the school - and that is where you went wrong. Cindy

3 Now, go to NOW YOU KNOW and post MY message, then add an update to this with an apology to community colleges, to graduates of community colleges and put down the professor who did that to the immigrant Kuwaiti girl. THAT IGNORANT PROFESSOR IS THE ONE WHOM YOU SHOULD HAVE ATTACKED; not the school and not those that go to community colleges. So go ahead add UPDATE 1: THEN go after this young woman's teacher. He is an ass. If a school, including community colleges, has someone there that does not belong there, then they should be gone. When I was there, I got 4 so called professors fired - so go after who caused the problem - the problem was NOT the school. Cindy

4 Cindy, Quite impressive. I'm quite proud of your accomplishments. I made me tired just reading them. I think raising boys may be the toughest. I think Chad just made an off the cuff remark. He's actually an OK dude but you know how it is when you're blogging: today I was going to call Jimmy Carter "election monitor of the unwashed masses" but then at the last second, I changed it because I thought I might be insulting anybody in a country whose election he monitored. Its hard sometimes to read the post from all the different persectives of all the potential readers before you post it. Community colleges are one of the great strengths of America and Americans. Regards, Jane

5 Dissin' community colleges, young man? Them's fightin' words. Especially cconsidering that the majority of the worst academe has to offer enjoy tenured positions as PhD's in universities.

6 Thanks Jane. You too ccwbass. The problem is not the community school; it's the assole who gave that immigrant Kuwaiti girl. Chad, just stick to the subject. Cindy

7 And Jane, it was very tough and very hard to do all that at once. When I think back on how I did it, I can't imagine it. It didn't do me much good in the long run - I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia, lupus, all forms of arthritis my first semester and my children were also sick - also diagnosed with EBV but somehow I managed. You figure my oldest was 12 and my youngest was 4 and I used my picnic table in my dining room as a desk until I could afford one on my own. Off the cuff remarks are fine, but this particular off the cuff remark from Chad (whom I do like) should have been to this professor, not to the community colleges; they play a great part in education and are extremely necessary. Personally you can take an IVY school and get the same kind of asshats. Time for bed. Cindy

8 NoCal has been a hotbed of America hatred for 80 years. Daschell Hamitt held and *ANTI*war rally there in *1942*. He said we shoul be on the side of the Socialists fighting the capitalists, *NOT FIGHTING* the Socialists. FDR had him jailed. He was a PI for the world's biggest PI agency and then wrote many great dective stories and books.

9 Yes I find it wonderful that we have turned on the true enemy in our country: Those stinking sniveling community colleges who waste the minds of so many of those very privilaged elitests children. We should have a Senate committe research these un-American organisations, because you never know who they might turn on the unknowing society as a whole. This should be stopped right now! we should draw a line in the sand and destroy these bastions of institutions of counter culter ... hevean forbide one their dangarous minds instructed by fast food costume festuned masterminds might turn this country into a nightmare: AN EDUCATED UNDER-PRIVILAGED (MAYBE EVEN NO OTHER CHANCE) AMERICAN SUCCESS STORY!

10 Salamander, Right... my point exactly... WTF?

11 Cindy Thanks very much. you're really an inspiration to me. Gordo, Gordo, Gordo....we can't take you anywhere, can we? Very nice and heartfelt apology though-Now that we know it wasn't Chad!

12 Gordon, I accept your apology and again, Thank you Jane. Sorry, Apologies to Chad. Salamander neeeds a good whack on the head but whomever is posting (ahem, Gordon) should always sign their name. Gordo, maybe you need an editor. :-) Cindy

13 Thanks for accepting my apology, Cindy. Jane, I CAN'T be taken anywhere apparently. Say, do you do editing?

14 Sure Gordo, Be right over as soon as I'm done disparaging the hygene of several million people.

15 Lighten up, Cindy. Sheeesh. Talk about touchy.

16 interesting post (except the general CC comments, but I took it with a grain of salt - it's your post with your opinion in your vein of humor; yup, I'm a tech college adjunct, though I apparantly don't warrant a paper hat). the comments, not so much.

17 Gordon, Yes I do more than editing; I actually enjoy it. To Preston Taylor Holmes - you don't know me, so don't judge me. Cindy

18 Gordon, Yes I edit; I do lots of things but I do enjoy editing other people's work. To Preston Taylor Holmes - you don't know me so don't judge me. Cindy

19 Hey! The Muslim asshole probably shouldn't have been there . . BUT, were it not for most of the Community Colleges in our country, you educated assholes wouldn't have qualified EMT's, Dental assistants, LPNs, Policemen, Automobile Technicians or a plethora of others who do what you No-Nothing about anything technical have to depend on others to do . . I just read another Blogsite where the editor was bragging about replacing the Battery in his Honda . . He felt he had really accomplished something technical . . Actually it's almost as uncomplicated as taking a glass out of the cupboard and then putting it back . . IF you have a clue . . Yeah, I'm a Community College Instructor and damned proud of it . .

20 I'm with Chad.

21 Four degrees in two years. Shit it took me 4 years to get one degree. I guess it just depends on which school you go to. Didn't have a 4.0 average either. Unless they grade beer guzzling and pot smoking. Ah, but that was in Northern California in the sixties. My school, that well known University across the bay only majored in two things. Anti government 101, and kick the crap out of anti government 101 students. Guess that's why you can't get 4 degrees in 2 yrs there. We did have a community college a few miles from my house. San Mateo JC. at coyote point. I didn't go there because all of them ended up wearing manager trainee badges. Which is a step up from super size it paper hats. Hate to bust anyones tempermental bubble. I just believe Stanford is more than a step above. Wish I had the grades and money to have gone there.

22 GreyRooster, you should already know me better than that. I took 18-21 credits per semester, which is how I got to do this. Once they got my IQ testing done from high school, they just about let me do anything I wanted. Maybe the east coast schools are better than west coast schools. When I finished, I could not continue because by then, I had gotten too sick with fibromyalgia, post polio, heart disease, cancer, living in a wheelchair plus I was able to work exceptionally well in my own home. It can be done if someone wants to do it bad enough. Cindy

23 No offense taken - I was just funnin' ya.

24 I obviously didn't want it bad enough. To busy with important things like football, beer drinking, pot smoking. Also listening to engineering professors (who never built anything) tell us how terrible our government is. I still don't get the connection. Shit, the liberal democrats were in office then. Football coaches were okay. They told us to go beat the shit out of the commies. The more black eyes on hippies the less laps we had to run. The more black eyes on hippies the lower grades from Engineering. Glad school was cheap back then. Even the so called major ones.

25 Just your tyipcal intelectial moron who thinks he is smart but is just a igorant jerk frankly he is the one who is irratinal and he should start wearing a dunce cap where ever he gose and if he dont like it here then he can go live with castro just you avrage collage dim-bulb who is a igoramus when it come to his so called knowlage he should sit in the corner with his dunce cap

26 Say what?

27 GORDON: I thought it was a neat little quip.

28 Thank you greyrooster. I was getting to feel like maybe we needed a group hug.

29 you retard

30 dont take advice from him he is gay

31 ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

32 Professor Denies Unequivocally Student’s Claims I have been asked by a number of news organizations about my interaction in late November 2004 with a Foothill College student Ahmad al-Qloushi. This is my response. In mid-November 2004, Ahmad al-Qloushi came to see me at my request to discuss the outline of his Final Research Paper assignment in the course: “Introduction to American Government & Politics.” He had failed to write the mid-term assignment and had chosen to write his final paper on a topic we both agreed would be a challenge for him. Recognizing that he would have difficulty completing the assignment, I offered him the opportunity to write his paper on a less challenging topic from the mid-term assignment list of topics. We agreed that should he take up the offer, I would not only discount the points he failed to earn at mid-term, but I would also work with him on the outline, and on the review of a draft copy of the paper before he submitted it for grading. Mr. al-Qloushi agreed to do that. However, he turned in his final written assignment without returning for the assistance which we had agreed on earlier. When I read the paper, it became clear to me that it did not respond to the question. In late November, after grading all final papers, I asked Mr. al-Qloushi to come and discuss with me the grade. During this meeting, I sought from him his reasons for reneging on our earlier agreement. In response, he expressed in great detail, concerns and feelings of high anxiety he was having about certain developments which had occurred over ten years ago in his country. Some aspects of his concerns were similar to certain concerns expressed in his paper. Based on the nature of the concerns and the feelings of high anxiety which he expressed, I encouraged him to visist one of the college counselors. I neither forced nor ordered Mr. al-Qloushi to see a counselor; I have no authority to do so. My suggestion to him was a recommendation he freely chose to accept and which he acknowledged in an e-mail message to me on December 1, 2004. Foothill College counselors are competent and highly respected professionals capable of providing professional services to students, and faculty members are always encouraged by the college administration to make such referrals to college counselors as the need may arise. In my conversation with Mr. al-Qloushi, I did not make any reference, explicitly or implicity, to the Dean of International Students or to any other Dean. In my conversation with Mr. al-Qloushi, I did not make any reference, explicit or implicit, to Mr. al-Qloushi’s status as an international student. At the time of our conversation, Mr. al-Qolushi was still enrolled in my class, but after he met with the counselor, he never returned to the class. I deny unequivocally all the allegations Mr. al-Qloushi has attributed to me regarding my suggestion to him that it might be helpful for him to discuss his long-standing concerns with a college counselor, as I have described here. All the other allegations made are false and have no basis whatsoever in fact. Professor Joseph A. Woolcock

33 This is the first time I've seen this post and comment thread, though it seems I was mentioned just a couple of times above. I have no problem with Community Colleges, in fact some of my friends went to one and I even took 3 hours credit from one during Summer School. On top of that, I have often advised people to attend a Comm. College to get some higher education under their belt.

34 I guess George Archibald over at WaTimes shouldn't believe every bitter, disturbed kid that comes to him with story about an evil, liberal professor. Maybe you all shouldn't either. Oh wait, he's Kuwaiti, so it must be true.

35 Re: Professor Woolcock's posting. Something is fishy here. The student represents that the question was: ' Dye and Zeigler contend that the constitution of the United States was not “ordained and established” by “the people” as we have so often been led to believe. They contend instead that it was written by a small educated and wealthy elite in America who representative of powerful economic and political interests. Analyze the US constitution (original document), and show how its formulation excluded majority of the people living in America at that time, and how it was dominated by America’s elite interest.' That's not a question at all. It's a narrow, invitation to agree with a Marxist interpretation of the history of the founding of the U.S. And the student DID address the thesis, he just didn't agree with it. Unless Woolcock can address the specifics of the student's paper, I say he's dissembling.

36 Woolcock you're a freakin' fag

37 If you read the first paragraph of al-Qloushi's letter about his childhood in Kuwait, you can easily see how he could have unloaded a few of his childhood trauma stories on the professor while begging not to fail the exam. If that happened, I say the professor was 100% right in suggesting counseling. Personally, I think he dogged the exam. The exam question asks you to analyze the text of the Constitution, particularly 2 clauses. al-Qloushi doesn't mention a single Constitutional clause, does he? His ramblings about "Great American Presidents" and what wars the U.S. has won is neither relevant to the question or particularly "scholarly". Any 4th grader could do the same, and they would probably get FDR's name right. The question was a provocative one. That doesn't mean it was "biased". He could have easily mounted an intelligent argument in disagreement. He failed because he didn't. He should take his F and shut-up.

38 Bloggers alert: Some guy named Denis Hiller is behind the Ahmad/Woolcock thing. Somebody help find out who the hell he is and what he wants. This I can tell you: there is no Republican Club currently active at Foothill College last I asked; second, Denis Hiller is neither member of this club nor even a student at the college. What's his deal and why is he using Ahmad?

39 You folks have missed the point totally. This is not about community colleges or professors or Muslim students. America is NOT God's gift to the world. Can America live with that? There are a few billion people out there who don't really give a shit about what America or Americans think. The American people have voted the American President into power. The rest of the world doesn't care who the president is. So the rest of the world doesn't really care if the American president wants democracy anywhere else. The only way America can make the rest of the world care is by bombing it.

40 Professor George Gollin was caught abusing his position with the University of Illinois by using the school's official letterhead for his "hobby". Earlier, the University of Illinois took corrective actions forcing Gollin to remove inappropriate content from the University's web server. The University will probably tolerate more of the same from this loose cannon, because he is tenured and the University may be afraid Gollin will sue as they have taken actions to avoid lawsuits in the recent past. George Gollin's pastime has expanded to pushing himself into in civil lawsuits of which he is not a party, and posting and a highly biased forum known for vulgar vile language, racist remarks and personal attacks on those unable to defend themselves by members, some who admit to living what some call deviant lifestyles.