A jury has sentenced Zacarias Moussaoui to life in prison for his part in the 9/11 conspiracy. News reports just breaking the story. Updates soon.
Moussaoui deserved death. This is a travesty of justice.
Fuzzy logic alert from friends and readers. So, you're happy that Moussaoui got life in prison because
? That does make a kind of superficial sense, but think about it. By that logic, no jihadi should ever be killed!
UPDATE: He won't be kept in GP--general population--so unfortunately there won't be enough time for him to become someone's "bitch" or get a shiv in him. Instead, he'll have a private jail cell for the next 30 years, where he'll have a Koran delivered to him by a prison guard with white gloves every morning, he'll be given a prayer mat, and he'll have an imam come visit him once a week to discuss his misunderstanding of the word "jihad" in the Koran.
The story actually uses the word "rebuffed" to describe what one single juror could have done.
First off, while I had hoped for the death penalty, our appeals process may have made it merely a symbolic judgment. I don't know. God only gave me 20/20 vision in hindsight. In foresight, I could use trifocals. Big, coke-bottle lens trifocles.
But, whatever your thoughts on the sentencing, the Moussaoui trial gave us a gift. That gift is the record of the trial.
No matter what you think of the sentencing, the trial, the jurors, always think this:
Never forget, never forgive.
What happened to these 8 men who snuck into the U.S., dressed as civilians so as not to be detected, plotted to blow up major industrial centers and symbols of American power?
is how you deal with terrorists.
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I have to respectfully disagree. Moussaoui was not the least bit afraid to die, in fact he wanted to recieve the death penalty in order to become a martyr. In this case, life in prison was the harsher punishment, and I'd be willing to bet at least some of the jurors felt the same way.
Posted by: mazlowbp at May 03, 2006 02:53 PM (g4/5G)
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Sorry to make the obvious point here... while I agree this is a baffling decision (I have not yet looked at the jury form) I think there is an advantage to locking him up for good. This avoids giving them the "martyrdom" he claims to desire and - with luck - also casts doubt on his sanity thereby discrediting his inarguably lunatic belief system.
Still, your point is taken. It is difficult to understand this jury's decision.
Posted by: Flea at May 03, 2006 02:55 PM (B8Ea1)
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I have to agree with mazlowbp. The death penalty is hardly a penalty when its what he seeks. Now al Qaeda can't claim a martyr.
Posted by: pka at May 03, 2006 02:55 PM (UA1kS)
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It was doubtless he was afraid to go to prison and be placed amongst the general population. That's why he stepped up the rhetoric in the final weeks of his trial. He was likely hoping to rattle the jurors enough to give him the death penalty.
I think they did the right thing. This was obviously a very difficult decision. This is a fate worse than death for him.
Posted by: Oyster at May 03, 2006 03:00 PM (RRL9+)
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Just another moon god worshipper sucking up tax money. I bet that will not be the only thing he sucks up in prison.
Posted by: Leatherneck at May 03, 2006 03:00 PM (D2g/j)
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Me 4. Rot in jail mofo. No martyrdom for thou.
Posted by: tallglassofmilk at May 03, 2006 03:00 PM (xN4VM)
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I agree with everone. If it was anyone other than a fanatic muslim, I'd say kill him!
Posted by: dave at May 03, 2006 03:03 PM (bpQk3)
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America has become soft! If we do not put to death killers or terrorist because of their "abusive" upbringing, then we should put thier parents on trial and put them to death instead!
Posted by: ron at May 03, 2006 03:13 PM (531Gq)
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Obviously a Liberal on the Jury. Blame everybody but the culprit. This verdict is disgusting and weak. My advice to task force 145 is shoot to kill and take no prisoners.
Posted by: Jack at May 03, 2006 03:18 PM (65Duf)
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He should have gotten the death penalty - preferably to be carried out tomorrow at dawn. I'm of the opinion that this "don't make him a martyr" thing is irrelevant. Everyone is a martyr these days, whether they die while killing infidels, or they're shot in the back by a squad mate with no trigger discipline. The proper procedure should be: 1) Capture 2) Extract info 3) Disposal 4) 6 months later offer sanitised briefing to public (optional)
Posted by: Graeme at May 03, 2006 03:19 PM (OBS/s)
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Unfortunately, I would bet that there is little chance of him being held in GenPop at any facility. He will have his own little "slice of heaven" in an institution, but I doubt there will be much chance of Ol' Bubba cornering him in the shower.
God, I hope I am wrong...
Posted by: EricInTexas at May 03, 2006 03:25 PM (b96R4)
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See my comments that I updated above....
this is what I wrote:
UPDATE: Fuzzy logic alert from friends and readers. So, you're happy that Moussaoui got life in prison because killing him would have made him a martyr? That does make a kind of superficial sense, but think about it. By that logic, no jihadi should ever be killed!
Ayman al-Zawahiri shouldn't be killed because that would make him a martyr. Osama bin Laden's cave shouldn't be bombed because getting 72 virgins is what he wants anyway. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi wants to be a martyr, making him live in the empty quarter is a far harsher punishment.
Allah agrees with the above, "Does that apply to Bin Laden too? If he turns around tomorrow and says the worst thing we could to him is supply him with lots of prostitutes, do we call the Mustang Ranch?"
Posted by: Rusty at May 03, 2006 03:29 PM (JQjhA)
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Did Moussaoui kill anyone himself?
I've never heard of the death penalty being given for conspiracy to murder. But even more than this, its a silly circus that he was tried as a US citizen under the charges he was anyway. He was clearly working for a foreign power in an act of war against the USA, and should have been tried that way.
Posted by: MiB at May 03, 2006 03:37 PM (5kwsD)
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This is america so rules are made and rules are broken right ? Its why you see signs on stores like "no food and drink" and then "absolutely no food and drink" - whats the freekin difference ! our attitude towards right and wrong is whats fuzzy.
The victims families deserve to see the death penalty in this case regardless of the political fall out.
Posted by: rob at May 03, 2006 03:38 PM (QpkBe)
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He won't be kept in GP--general population--so unfortunately there won't be enough time for him to become someone's "bitch" or get a shiv in him. Instead, he'll have a private jail cell for the next 30 years, where he'll have a Koran delivered to him by a prison guard with white gloves every morning, he'll be given a prayer mat, and he'll have an imam come visit him once a week to discuss his misunderstanding of the word "jihad" in the Koran.
Posted by: Rusty at May 03, 2006 03:44 PM (JQjhA)
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Martyr-schmartyr. To me he would be dead and in hell where he belongs. Martyrs can't kill anyone.
The Suburban Crusader
Posted by: Brian at May 03, 2006 03:46 PM (eMV9u)
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I have been to a number of Federal penitentiaries doing parole work a few years ago. These places have been upgraded and secured up in recent years. It used to be the real bad guys would be sent to Southern Illinois, now they go the Big Max in Colorado. He will go to solitary for
years and years; then maybe to a more general population where some true blue American killer looking for a little recognition will take a shank to him. He won't last long in GenPop.
Posted by: jedrury at May 03, 2006 03:48 PM (wZLWV)
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Moussaoui is an a-hole, but the only one who is telling things like it is. During his sentencing hearing, he was asked how he felt about a young military woman crying on the stand. He said is "make his day". When asked if he wanted to blow up US buildings, he said "everyday".
There is no mystery on his part. He hates the US. He wants to kill Americans. He proudly serves Al Qaeda and will use whatever tools he has to continue the jihad.
When he avoided getting sentenced to death, he effectively pulled a Nelson from the Simpsons and said "ha ha". Even in custody, he outmaneuvers our system of justice.
He needs to be killed the way they kill people in his country.
This trial is related to the saying about bringing a knife to a gunfight. He should have been sent to Gitmo and then tried by a military court. When found guilty, he should have been summarily executed. Then we could make a strong and righteous claim that the military tribunal system works for enemy combatants.
Posted by: Bill Dautrive at May 03, 2006 03:57 PM (G95Uf)
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I don't think that his role warranted the death penalty. He did not actually kill anyone. If you want an eye for an eye. Set up a scenerio where his family dies and then don't tell him how to stop it.
He is also the posterboy for the terrorist. Now that this is done, people will think it is safe to forget.
Posted by: Budd at May 03, 2006 04:02 PM (udJJF)
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Eventually, his guards will turn and look away.
It'll only take a second or two, and his silly quest for martyrdom won't hold water as his death will be induced by a very patrotic cellblock sicko.
Have a nice day Zach!
Posted by: Dick at May 03, 2006 04:06 PM (XlQVK)
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Not so good if he's killed in prison either. Doesn't make us look so good as a rule of law, democratic sort of country. Which is what we're apparently fighting for, I thought.
Posted by: rightbros at May 03, 2006 04:07 PM (TZs3/)
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How humiliated we will be as a nation if al-Qaeda ever takes hostages and demands that he be released. We could have given him justice but we chose to make him into a potential bargaining chip. We won't ever release him, of course, but it will still be humiliating.
Posted by: tommy at May 03, 2006 04:15 PM (hMLSq)
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Government snared by it's own devices. Calling for the death penalty while mountains of forms are perused. Tripped over their own feet this time!
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 03, 2006 04:19 PM (FCC6c)
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I don't think he should have been spared because it would "make him a martyr". Nor do I think he should have been spared because he didn't kill anyone who was just part of the conspiracy (Manson was sentenced to death, initially, for Tate-LaBianca--he didn't "kill" any of those. Some mafia folks have been sentenced to death for deaths they did not directly commit. It does happen).
I wouldn't have voted for death because the evidence did not show that he was part of the actual 9-11 conspiracy (I didn't hear all of it, and I'm basing this on what I read, so I could be wrong). It did, on the other hand, show that he was pretty mentally ill. Given those two factors (and not his crappy childhood), I would have voted for life.
It will never matter to those who already deeply hate us that we gave this deeply ill and deluded man a fair trial. It will matter, over time, to many who do not like our foreign policy so much that we did this. And it should matter to all Americans that we treat even our worst enemies with fairness and justice. We are not Nazis. We are not Jihadis. We do not issue justice in anger or at a whim or without full procedures. When we are in civilian courts, when someone is arrested in America, we damn well better treat them like all the Founding Fathers would have expected. They feared nothing more than a government unbounded by law. Today's verdict, even if you wanted the other outcome, was a victory for the American system of justice as a whole.
Posted by: jd at May 03, 2006 04:49 PM (aqTJB)
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Just watch, I bet at least one of the jurors was suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrom.
This guy should have gotten the death penalty. The only difference between him and Attah was opportunity to actually carry out an attack. The 9/11 terrorists did not do what they did because of abusive parents. What a crok!
Posted by: Fred Fry at May 03, 2006 05:25 PM (HJnrm)
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He won't be kept in GP--general population--so unfortunately there won't be enough time for him to become someone's "bitch" or get a shiv in him.
Rusty. And others here reflecting such sentiments.
We are better than them. What are you thinking in setting forth such statements?
Posted by: Mona at May 03, 2006 05:45 PM (Eq7tM)
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Being BETTER than them does NOT mean we can't give them what they deserve.
The right decision is not always the civilized one.
Posted by: Rorschach at May 03, 2006 05:50 PM (9pkhB)
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Mona:
The reality of life inside the hot
house is that he would not stand a week in GenPop
and that is why he'll do solitary for years.
The inmates are eager to do the hit. Plain and simple.
Posted by: jedrury at May 03, 2006 06:12 PM (wZLWV)
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The media is reporting that he will likely go to ADX Florence in the Rockies. That means that all of you who are hoping he is raped or meets a violent end are out of luck. This is a supermax prison. Nobody will touch him. Instead, like Timothy McVeigh, he will write books and make himself a newsworthy pain the ass for decades to come.
Posted by: MLC at May 03, 2006 06:14 PM (hMLSq)
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The people who write knowingly about what his existence will be like in jail have spent to much time watching OZ on TV
Posted by: john Ryan at May 03, 2006 06:26 PM (TcoRJ)
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Solitary confinement? Does that mean private jaccuzi, work out spa, air conditioning, internet access and cable?
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 03, 2006 07:12 PM (FCC6c)
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If I thought he was going to be gang raped repeatedly behind bars, I'd be all for this verdict. But he'll be a protected class, just as islam is the official, protected religion in this country.
It's all bullsh*t. Maybe we'll get lucky and someone will shank him.
Posted by: Preston Taylor Holmes at May 03, 2006 07:23 PM (0G7/h)
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Capital punishment is inherently barbaric. It is something used primarily by un-Christian countries like Iran, China, and Saudi Arabia.
If you believe in a culture of life, then the death penalty is never justified. It beings us down to their level.
Posted by: RIngos at May 03, 2006 07:52 PM (QZcUU)
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I would be happy with just surgically removing his arms, legs, and tongue and giving him back to Osama. Let someone else feed and water him for the rest of his life.
Posted by: crosspatch at May 03, 2006 07:53 PM (kNJth)
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Life in prison, in solitary, will be easy. Life in prison as a boy toy bitch for some Aryan Nations punks would be another story.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 03, 2006 07:57 PM (qti15)
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I support capital punishment, but I think this is the right verdict. Moussaoui didnÂ’t kill anyone, so the death penalty would have been unjust in his case. And justice is what we want from a jury, not vengeance.
The "martyrdom" thing is a red herring. Islamic ideas of the hereafter should have no bearing on how we run our court system.
Posted by: The Sanity Inspector at May 03, 2006 08:44 PM (8l9x4)
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"So, you're happy that Moussaoui got life in prison because killing him would have made him a martyr? That does make a kind of superficial sense, but think about it. By that logic, no jihadi should ever be killed!"
I disagree. Any jihadi can be killed in combat. Any jihadi who actually carried out an attack, like the "Jeep Jihadi" jerk down in Carolina, should be executed regardless of whether he actually killed anybody or not. But Moussaoui
failed to carry out his attack. The only way he can die with honor is if he dies in the Cause. An execution would have accomplished that, but an anonymous death in prison won't. Leaving him alive makes his failure complete.
Posted by: wolfwalker at May 03, 2006 09:19 PM (lexKw)
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I heard one of the jurors was against the death penalty to begin with.
Posted by: RepJ at May 03, 2006 09:22 PM (y6n8O)
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He would have sat twenty plus years on Deathrow, with appeal after appeal anyway.
At least he will be totally isolated, and has to depend on the infidel for everything from his toilet rolls, food, -- to the direction to face Mecca to pray.
His performance at the courtroom reminded me of 'suicide by cop' trying to get the death sentence most likely because he could not stand the thought of prison, then it is only justified then he gets what he feared the most.
Posted by: davec at May 03, 2006 09:29 PM (CcXvt)
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I would just as soon give him his last gasp and pocket the tax money.
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 03, 2006 09:31 PM (FCC6c)
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Off topic....looks like Aaron's been hit again.
Posted by: jamsler at May 03, 2006 09:49 PM (VqA/E)
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I can see it now. Juan Cole and his bunch of clowns will want to interview the creep, of course, and before long the turds at Kos will be saying he is innocent. And he will alledge torture in prison, and lack of the proper Muslim food, and disrespect for the Koran, and on and on.
This man will stay in the news, will be a pain in the ass, and will milk the taxpayer out of millions of dollars, giving him another victory as the jihadists think economic war is great when nothing else is available. You know, plunder the wealth of the infidel. The bastard should have been tried by a military court and shot when and if he was found guilty. End of story. End of a jihadist. A brighter world for all.
Posted by: jesusland joe at May 03, 2006 09:54 PM (rUyw4)
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Guess I'll have to put that last gasp on hold for the time being ...
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 03, 2006 09:54 PM (FCC6c)
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This beats having the endless appeals at the Supreme Court.
It will make it easier to get AQ player extradited, should it be necessary.
Trust me... his cell is a tomb.
Solid concrete bed, stainless steel fixtures....
Absolutely no comity with ANYONE.
No ANYTHING.
12' by 7' windowless box... A TOMB.
This is what he feared.
French prisoners, so treated, are suing France DEMANDING death.
Posted by: blert at May 04, 2006 01:56 AM (dux8N)
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Yeah, Aaron's is toast again. Hey, if you guys are using any software that uses PHP, make sure you have the latest version of PHP, there have been several security issues with older versions. You might also look around for information about a file called xmlrpc.php that comes or used to come with WordPress if that is the software you are using. That is a common method some use to deface sites.
There are also some
other WordPress problems around. Many depend on what version you are running.
This link should get you a two page listing of WordPress security vulnerabilities. If you are using a hosting company, I would think they would already be aware of most of these.
If you are constantly being defaced, I don't think it should be too hard for them to figure out how.
Posted by: crosspatch at May 04, 2006 02:45 AM (kNJth)
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heh, well that sucked. Stripped the href off the anchors.
http://www.osvdb.org/searchdb.php?vuln_title=WordPress&vuln_title_search_type=and&disclosure_date1=&disclosure_date2=&ext_ref_value=&ext_ref_search_type=and&ext_ref_type=0&text=&ext_txt_search_type=and&vendor=&vendor_search_type=and&base=&base_search_type=and&version=&version_search_type=and&search=search
That should get you a two page list of security issues with WordPress.
Posted by: crosspatch at May 04, 2006 02:47 AM (kNJth)
Posted by: crosspatch at May 04, 2006 02:51 AM (kNJth)
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AMERICA, YOU LOST!
Once again Alberto (our seemingly incompetent but PC AG) has he lunch eaten With AlbertoÂ’s abysmal lack of success in cases relating to the War on Terror you have to question my liberal PresidentÂ’s commitment . It seems more and more to have all been a disingenuous political flim flam; all be it a successful flim flam. Only batting is baseball is a success rate less than 500 considered good. In fielding a good rate is 999 and in the technical side of business (Accounting, ISÂ…) you need 99999 or better to be a success. With AlbertoÂ’s string of losses the last 12 month he is just under 500.
My liberal President obviously put quotas ahead of the War on Terror. With the Dubai cases (plural as in more than one) it seems Bush does not even have the War on Terror in his to ten list of priorities! As the Scotch have been saying for over 1500 years ”actions speak louder than words”. Bush’s liberal actions the last 16 months are shouting over his conservative words of 24 months ago,
Posted by: Rod Stanton at May 04, 2006 03:38 AM (GtFIY)
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Worrying about whether Moussaoui wants to be a martyr or not is about as relevant as what the cockroach you're about to stomp on wants.
Just stomp.
Posted by: Craig Mc at May 04, 2006 04:08 AM (WWwR4)
Posted by: alla wartenberg at May 04, 2006 05:56 AM (EIqIf)
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"By that logic, no jihadi should ever be killed!"
That's not true. Moussaoui should not have been killed because he is currently a nobody as far as the global terrorist network is concerned. As has already been pointed out, he FAILED to commit a terrorist act, and now he has FAILED again to die for his cause. Killing him would just prove to other terrorists that we are only out for revenge and not justice giving them all the more reason to kill us and more recruiting power among those currently on the fence.
In the case of Osama (or other high level jihadists), he is already a large presence in the terrorist organizations. If he is captured, he should be put to death, because he SUCCEEDED in carrying out the killing of American citizens. Killing him cannot make him more of a threat to the United States, because he is already a huge threat. Keeping him alive would continue to make him a threat, because it would encourage his followers to take hostages or commit terrorist attacks in an effort to get him released.
Posted by: Val at May 04, 2006 06:42 AM (bOu7d)
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I'm with davec. We've already, rightly or wrongly, allowed him to use our civil system. Once that's done he has the appeals process at his disposal if he's given the death penalty. How long did it take to finally carry it out on Tookie? Like I said, I think this verdict had a much more disasterous impact on him than the death penalty. Remember, we're punishing HIM - not al Qaeda or any other jihadis.
Should he be kept in solitary, for the rest of his life the air conditioning will either be too cold or too hot, his food will be a little too bland, someone will whisper to him that his last meal contained pork and not one jailer will rat on another for any of these "transgressions". He is a vile and hated man.
As far as Rusty's complaint that by not putting him to death we are saying that perhaps bin Laden should get only life - not so. I think bin Laden is VERY afraid of death. I think he should get what he fears.
I'm not looking at it as a martyrdom issue, I'm looking at it as punishment fitting the individual's worst fear.
Posted by: Oyster at May 04, 2006 06:44 AM (YudAC)
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"
Fuzzy logic alert from friends and readers. So, you're happy that Moussaoui got life in prison because killing him would have made him a martyr? That does make a kind of superficial sense, but think about it. By that logic, no jihadi should ever be killed!"
I think there's a difference between killing a jihadi on the battlefield and carrying out a formal death penalty in a clean room.
My personal take on this is that until we can perfect a technique whereby we can put Moussaoui to death 2,819 times, we canÂ’t really exact the appropriate justice for this scumbag.
However, in a lifetime in jail, he may find 2,819 moments of justice exacted upon him by his
new roommates.
Posted by: TexasRainmaker at May 04, 2006 07:50 AM (TwSjW)
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What the Moussaoui case shows is that the American court system is simply not prepared to try terrorists. It seems to me that Moussaoui, and many others we label terrorists, would have been called a 'sabateour' in previous wars.
During WWII there were cases of German sabateours 'invading' U.S.. From the FBI:
The purpose of the invasions was to strike a major blow for Germany by bringing the violence of war to our home ground through destruction of America's ability to manufacture vital equipment and supplies and transport them to the battlegrounds of Europe; to strike fear into the American civilian population, and diminish the resolve of the United States to overcome our enemies.
What happened to these 8 men who snuck into the U.S., dressed as civilians so as not to be detected, plotted to blow up major industrial centers and symbols of American power?
By June 27, 1942, all eight saboteurs had been arrested without having accomplished one act of destruction. Tried before a Military Commission, they were found guilty. One was sentenced to life imprisonment, another to thirty years, and six received the death penalty, which was carried out within a few days.
That is how you deal with terrorists. None of them were major figures. None of them were involved in planning. None of them sucessfully carried out their missions.
Posted by: Rusty at May 04, 2006 07:57 AM (JQjhA)
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That's the difference, Rusty. They were tried by a military tribunal. That's what realistically
should have happened with Moussaoui. He was a military combatant by simple virtue of being a foreign national planning an act of war. So I understand where you're coming from in that regard. I think that's where the real argument lies.
But that's not what went down. We can't turn the clock back on that, right or wrong. If he was going to be put to death, I would rather see our military do it by firing squad, with no fanfare, no media, nobody but the firing squad, at sunrise the next day (and stick a cigarette in his mouth whether he smokes or not just for fun), rather than our civilian courts where he could make a mockery of our appeals system for 20 or so years and then a final bid to a Governor on the eave of his death for mercy - as if he ever had a right. This has already turned into a media frenzy and given him attention he should never have gotten.
Posted by: Oyster at May 04, 2006 08:40 AM (RRL9+)
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Good one Rusty!!!
I hope he gets what Dahmer got while he was in prison.
It has me so furious we cannot have a jury that wanted justice for 9-11.
Posted by: Wild Thing at May 04, 2006 08:53 AM (GQi2q)
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Sometimes we speak(or type) without thinking, and I plead guilty. As soon as I heard that statement about American you lose, I had to wonder how I could be stupid enough to rationalize a life sentence for this sub-human.
Posted by: mazlowbp at May 04, 2006 09:18 AM (g4/5G)
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Exactly, Rusty, you have nailed it. To let Moussaoui use the Court System, a la Clinton and the Democrats, was a grave mistake, and we will pay for it. It sets a terrible precedent, and you better believe the jihadists and their allies have taken note.
There will now be another effort to get all the detainees into the US Court System, or perhaps it started earlier in the week with the Amnesty International charges of torture even in the regular prison system in the US. Of course, only the testimony of the jihadists is taken into account. How much longer do we have to put up with this crap?
Posted by: jesusland joe at May 04, 2006 09:39 AM (rUyw4)
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Bush's agenda:
1. Wood
2. Driver
3. 9 iron
4. wedge
5. putter
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 04, 2006 10:03 AM (FCC6c)
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A lot of people seem to thing that he will be killed in prison. As good as this would be, it won't happen. Islam has huge inroads in our prisons. He'll be a fucking hero.
Perhaps if he had followed Mohammad's example and raped a few 9 year olds, it might be different.
Anyone care to take up a collection to bribe a guard for an "accident"?
Yes, I'm mad, why do you ask?
Posted by: MegaTroopX at May 05, 2006 08:26 PM (yT/Rw)
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Keep this ugly shitworm really alone without any distraction, minimum food, no tv or radio or news, but i bit agree with "crosspatch" about remove all his members but keep him in jail with some minimum daily injection in that case.
Posted by: James at May 07, 2006 08:48 AM (B0aVz)
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I am pissed off that the stupid Mussauii guy is in prison instead of dying! he deserves it!
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