1 And the Middle East was such a calm piece of real estate before we were attacked... Occupying a couple of their countries tends to make the Islamists a little cranky. Who knew?

2 Theo, Since the vast majority of these attacks are not related to Iraq in any way, your point is silly. For instance, the photo in the post is from a recent attack in Kashmir.

3 Somehow I think if the followers of Jesus get to 2500 or so terrorists attacks during the same period, Theo comes up with something critical to say.

4 Show me how the vast majority of these attacks are not related to Iraq in any way.

5 I have a few interesting things I have noticed and put together that I want to share. Iran's leader believes he will be the one to facilitate the arrival of the 12th Imam. The Muslim dress code law which is set to be approved by the Supreme Ayatohlah is in preparation for this event. He wants the change over to be complete in 5 years, or just before he believes the 12th Imam will reveal himself to the world and herald in the New world wide caliphate. Add 5 years to 2006 and you come up with the year 2011. So by 2011 he wants to be ready for this event. Now let us travel to the other side of the world and have a look at the Mayan Calendar. When the Mayan calendar was deciphered, they saw that it did not extend beyond the year 2012. The Mayan calendar ends in the year 2012. Thus the Mayans predict the world to end in 2012. Is it just a strange coincidence? Here are my predictions leading up to 2012: Iran will lob a couple of Nukes at Israel, Israel will retaliate, and Southwest Asia will erupt in war beginning the last crusade. Only this crusade will be fought to preserve the Jewish homeland. Europe will descend into civil war with the exception of Britain as disaffected Muslims begin the fight to establish the Global Caliphate. Britain will be isolated and left exposed to a naval blockade by the Russians. Russia will try to re-take much of the territory lost when the Soviet Union collapsed sending northern Asia and Eastern Europe into war. They will also invade Alaska. North Korea launches an invasion into South Korea, and bombs Japan with it's supply of nukes trying to force a surrender, and to also mitigate American armed forces numbers stationed in Japan. Then they will invade Japan. China will not stand by while this happens, China will invade Taiwan, and Eastern Afghanistan and will also assist Pakistan with their invasion of Kashmir. This will escalate into full out war possibly including a nuclear exchange between Pakistan and India. Mexico will become a socialist country after the next elections. They will then align themselves with Venezuela, Argentina, Bolivia, and Cuba to create a South American Bloc. Argentina will invade the Falkland Islands again. Chile, Peru, Columbia, Panama, Nicaragua Costa Rica, Belize Uruguay and Ecuador will capitulate and join the bloc. Brazil will stand alone isolated and threatened. Mexico will begin rattling sabers and demanding the return of lands lost to the US over a century ago. The US will be forced to pull out of Afghanistan, and Iraq, in order to secure our borders against an invasion from the south. Russia and China will pump millions in arms and supplies to the South American bloc of countries to keep the US occupied and out of their business. The South American Bloc will invade Brazil, Puerto Rico, Hispaniola, and the US and British Virgin Isles. The South American bloc will attempt a blockade of southern US ports. Mexico will invade Southern California, Arizona, and New Mexico. Border towns and cities in Texas will fall before the invasion is stopped. Suitcase nukes smuggled into the US will be set off in many major cities across the US and Britain. Australia will be isolated along with India, Brazil, The Philippines, Canada, and South Africa. Northern Africa will complete it's decent into chaos as the Muslim nations of North Africa begin their conquest of the rest of the continent. Indonesia, Java, New Zealand, The Philippines, and many of the island nations in the South Pacific will begin to fall to the crush of the radical Muslim onslaught. Washington DC will stumble along after President Hillary Clinton sits in the Oval Office wimpering to herself saying, "I thought these guys were our friends?" This she does as she signs a full amnesty to all illegal residents of the US, and gives them all free health care on your dime.

6 Yeah, lovely picture, by the way. And you wonder why Google is leery of you. And I'm sorry, but you've got to live in a special kind of dreamworld to believe that American policy regarding Israel, Iraq, and Afghanistan have not inflamed things tremendously. As you write in the initial post, "Dr. Rusty", these estimates by this silly website probably underreport how bad things actually are. So your point was..?

7 Who would have thought that after being attacked America might get a bit cranky and open up a medium sized can of whupass on a couple on the main supporters of terrorism? They didn't and it was a reasonable assumption as from the outside it appears we are overrun with liberal apologists. They had no idea there were still "Red Blooded Americans" to contend with. No they thought America would fall all over itself with self examination to determine just why we "deserved it". Go ahead try again if you think we are divided and will cower to you. We have two pantrys full of even larger sized cans of whupass we haven't even broken out yet.

8 Cmunk: Watch the sky man. It could fall any second. You do have your "helmet" on don't you?

9 Theo, Your reasoning is a classic example of the "post hoc ergo propter hoc" fallacy. BEFORE Iraq: Islamic violence AFTER Iraq: Islamic violence Of course our policies might be a contributing factor inflaming the violence, but so what? When has not giving into the demands of fascists ever led to peaceful coexistence? They demand that we submit to their vision or face violence, we refuse, they do violence. Exactly how is that OUR doing?

10 Howie, since you've been under a rock for the last three years, let me inform you: We're getting our ass kicked in Iraq. We're getting outplanned and outstrategized, despite having superior firepower. Considering the entire enterprise was a foolish gambit in the first place, this would be the inevitable conclusion. Our "cans of whoopass" have to stay in the pantry regarding Iran and North Korea, don't they? Because we're stretched thin by Iraq.

11 In the name of Islam, turns into how it is our fault. What a bunch of pussies. I suppose you libturds think Carl Row made the 9-11 ROP individuals yell Allah Akbar right before the planes hit the buildings, and several thousand of your fellow Americans died. Why do you hate yourselves so much, and blame this country for everything wrong in the world? You will be no help to anyone when the time comes for the United States to stand firm on what is right, and correct. I forgot, you Libturds, and/or new agers do not believe in right, and wrong. ROPMA

12 Rusty: "BEFORE Iraq: Islamic violence AFTER Iraq: Islamic violence" Theo: "And the Middle East was such a calm piece of real estate before we were attacked..." Thanks for backing me up, dude. Appreciate it. Iraq became a terrorist haven AFTER we occupied them, not before. Do the yuksters at the Religion of Peace have stats on how much terrorist attacks increased after the occupation? Nah, that would make us look culpable, wouldn't it?

13 >>>Occupying a couple of their countries tends to make the Islamists a little cranky. Who knew? Who knew that islamic terrorists attacking America tends to make us cranky and want to occupy countries and break stuff. I guess they got what they asked for.

14 Are we really getting our ass kicked in Iraq? Seems to me the best any of the mujahadeen can produce is a few car bombs and ied's. Iraqi's are getting their collective asses kicked by other Iraqi's. and that is because the politicians stopped us from cleaning out the militias. Some people read way too much NY Times and not enough real news.

15 "Who knew that islamic terrorists attacking America tends to make us cranky and want to occupy countries and break stuff. I guess they got what they asked for." Which supports my earlier assertion that we are responsible for the increase in attacks since 9/11. Wow, you guys are really making this easy for me! Oh, and Iraq didn't attack us. Sorry.

16 I suppose Iran is no threat to us either.

17 "Iraqi's are getting their collective asses kicked by other Iraqi's. and that is because the politicians stopped us from cleaning out the militias. Some people read way too much NY Times and not enough real news." That's laughable. There are what, three combat-ready Iraqi battalions? And if you tell new recruits they're headed into Sunni territory, they'll take their uniforms off on the spot and quit. One of the reasons we have an insurgency is because we broke up the Baathists. I may have read that in the NY Times, I'm not sure. It sure as hell wasn't "NewsMax".

18 Here is an alternate scenario to counter Cmunk's Sci-Fi novel: The big one goes streaming through the sky, leaving a trail of smoke. minutes later ... lights out! Chattering stops ... peace is restored.

19 >>Show me how the vast majority of these attacks are not related to Iraq in any way. Not a big fan of logic, are we, Larry? Not to be TOO condescending, but that was a really stupid thing to say. If YOU are defending the claim that these are related to attacks in Iraq, YOU need to show how they ARE related. You can't assign a position to another person and then demand that they refute it from the assumption that it's true.

20 It's this word "responsible" which irritates me. Guy puts a knife to a hostages head and says give me 10k or I will kill the hostage. The cops don't give the 10k. Guy kills hostage. Who is "responsible"? Guy says cops responsible for not giving in to demands, cops say guy is repsonsible. I choose to believe the latter. I agree that there are more terrorists in Iraq now then before, but I do not believe we are "responsible" for it. Further, Iraq did attack us. Almmost daily. Unless you don't think shooting missiles at our airplanes count as "attacks"? Or did you forget that we had been at war with them for over a decade prior to us going in and trying to finish the damn job?

21 Wow, Theo. What a complete and utter ignoramus you must be in real life. "We are getting our asses kicked in Iraq?". Ok, this tells me that you have no idea what is really going on in Iraq and exposes you as the person who is truly afraid. Also, so what if we attacked Iraq? Murdering innocents in the name of Allah is ok because we attacked Iraq? If you object to the Iraq war on grounds that it wasn't worth one American soldier's life or one Iraqi civilians life to experiment with democracy in a land that may not be ready for it, I can respect that. I may also agree with that. But to basically give a reprieve to the criminal jihadists who are murdering innocent people in cold blood because of Iraq is non-sensical at best and complete psychosis at worst. It also totaly missing the true intentions of these murdering fascist psychopaths. I just don't understand you people.

22 I don't read newsmax either. I am aquaintences with a Marine Commander in Iraq. That is his position. I am going to call him the expert, since he is the one doing the fighting. I am just doing my part to dispell the ignorance that surronds me and is propagated in the press.

23 Never mind. I went to your site. You're probably just another left wing Christian hater with a severe case of BDS. How sad for you.

24 >>>Which supports my earlier assertion that we are responsible for the increase in attacks since 9/11. Personally, I don't have a problem with that. When we went to war with Imperial Japan there was also a vast increase in attacks on us since Pearl Harbor. It's called war.

25 Rusty, if you can rationalize that hard to defend the administration Iraq policy, then there's not much point continuing. Funnt, I didn't hear much from the right about "finshing the job" in Somalia. Even after they did "attack us" when that Black Hawk went Down.

26 There was as much if not more terror in Iraq before we went in. They weren't called terrorists, they were called Baathists. And if the Shiites want their pound of flesh for what they went through, good for them. Have two pounds for that matter. I believe it is time to redeploy to the Iranian and Syrian borders, and let the Iraqis work the rest of this out on their own.

27 >>>Oh, and Iraq didn't attack us. Sorry. Why don't you tell that to all the foreign jihadists that have shown up in Iraq to fight us. THEY seem to agree that there's more at stake in Iraq than the Leftards would have us belief. In fact it seems almost everybody seems to know what's at stake (even the jihadists!) except the Leftards. Nope, they're absolutely clueless aparently.

28 "If you object to the Iraq war on grounds that it wasn't worth one American soldier's life or one Iraqi civilians life to experiment with democracy in a land that may not be ready for it, I can respect that. I may also agree with that." That would be a correct assumption. "But to basically give a reprieve to the criminal jihadists who are murdering innocent people in cold blood because of Iraq is non-sensical at best and complete psychosis at worst. That would be a ridiculous assumption, and to make it suggests some psychoses of your own. "You're probably just another left wing Christian hater with a severe case of BDS. How sad for you." Another ridiculous assumption. I was raised Catholic. My mother's VERY Catholic. The rest of my family is involved with some church on some level. Wanna make any more ridiculous assumptions about me, or have I shamed you out of your paranoia?

29 To hell with Somalia. Clinton went way beyond the UN mandate. That is why we were whacked! Then the sniveling coward crawled back under his desk and cried like a baby and wet his pants. Bush put us there for humanitarian reasons, and Clinton came in and wanted to show the little Somali's what a big bad president he was. Then like JFK he got cold feet and pulled out.

30 "To hell with Somalia. Clinton went way beyond the UN mandate." Like...George W. Bush did with Iraq? Please, guys - I know it's me against the rest of the site, but have a little consistency in your arguments or I'll ignore you. (Hi, Carlos.)

31 Ha! I hit him in the Clinton and he got scared and ran away.

32 Maybe GW is the Forrest Gump of Presidents. I admit I was glad we finally cracked one upside of Saddams head. He was a major trouble maker and really more of a threat to Israel than to us directly. But he harbored people who were known terrorists for years. While their victims lived without closure, Saddam offered them sanctuary. In my opinion, that alone was enough to justify the invasion. Another thing. I mobilized twice in the nineties because Saddam had a problem remembering the outcome of the first Gulf war. He had to go. Now it is time that we go. To the borders that is and end the interference by the Iranians and the Syrians.

33 Hey Theo man were winning this war you're just holding it.

34 BTW Theo, There was no UN mandate in the second Iraq war. That was a resolution. We alone held our end of the resolution. Conquering Iraq and the Hussain regime was our mandate. Not the UN's. And we did a nice job of it. Just wish the press saw more of that. But if you have nothing of value to stand for then you must find something to stand against! Don't you think?

35 Right Cmunk, right! Very humanitarian reasons. Jose has got to have petrol so he can drive to work! And Tampax: I would try to decipher your logic but I did not get my Masters degree and I don't have time to go thumbing through a dictionary. sorry!

36 Thank you so much for bringing this to my attention.

37 Theo, it's understandable that you think "we're getting our ass kicked in Iraq", but then, you're a chickenshit libturd coward, and think that fighting = losing because you always get your ass kicked if you don't smile when the bully pushes your wimpy ass around.

38 Wow, no death threat. You're slipping, IM.

39 "...but have a little consistency in your arguments or I'll ignore you." Oh please, oh please, oh please. And this was a real gem: "Iraq became a terrorist haven AFTER we occupied them, not before." So what do we call all Uday's and Qusay's 'friend's'? And another thing Theo, claiming you've won and patting yourself on the back does not mean you've won anything but your own self-aggrandizing, self-appointed esteem. There's another group out there that keeps doing that. It's a radical group in the Mid East. Give me a minute and I'll think of it.

40 Awesome, I just got compared to Hamas. Anyone here capable of rational debate? Anybody?

41 Wow, this war on terror that GWB has created sure has taken off since he performed 9/11. I wonder what he does for an encore?

42 Theo, are you drunk? Or high? You have lost your ability to reason, my friend, so perhaps a long nap will sober you up. Or perhaps a long walk. Anywhere. But here. See ya.

43 Oh great. Now the 9/11 conspiracy gang is here.

44 Oyster, can you tie your own shoe, or does the prez do it for ya? Think for yourself, question authority!

45 Odd you should pick Hamas.

46 lol, Chip! What's a shoe?

47 Cole Sear: I see moonbats. Malcolm Crowe: In your dreams? [Cole shakes his head no] Malcolm Crowe: While you're awake? [Cole nods] Malcolm Crowe: moonbats like peace protesters? or Hippies? Cole Sear: Walking around like regular people. They're in Starbucks, or giving lessons on weaving baskets from Hemp, They don't know they're moonbats. Malcolm Crowe: How often do you see them? Cole Sear: All the time. They're everywhere.

48 A moonbat invasion has infested the Jawa. Are you selling french vanilla mulatte, or is it cappachino, Rusty?

49 Folks are waking up! "Cover up - did the government and its 9/11 Commission conceal or refuse to investigate evidence that contradicts their official story? (only 48% said no); 3) the collapse of WTC 7, which was not even mentioned by the 9/11 Commission and has seldom been reported in the media---had respondents been aware of this collapse and, if so, did they think it should be investigated (only 52% had known about it, but over 70% of this group believe it should have been investigated); 4) new investigation of official complicity - do respondents think we need one? (only 48% said no); and 5) mass media - how do people rate its performance, including its coverage of alternative 9/11 theories, unanswered questions and inquiry issues? (43% rate it positively, 55% negatively)." http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20060522/bs_prweb/prweb388743_4

50 Well, there goes the thread. And I was enjoying it. Can't invoke Godwin's law because no one said "Nazi". There must be a law out there I can invoke when the 9/11 conspiracy theorists highjack a thread.

51 Hijack? I did no such thing. Isn't this thread about the pretend "jihadists"? If it is: I'm exactly where information like this should be.

52 Theo- Did it occur to you that maybe, just maybe that we have soldiers who are armed and trained taking the heat off of the entire world by consuming al queda's strength? Better soldiers fighting terrorists in Iraq than in my back yard. You are irrelevent.

53 Welcome back, Rusty.

54 5000 Islamic terrorist attacks? Who the hell cares? Do you know how HOT it was yesterday? You people just aren't going to do anything about Global Warming until it kills every last child and spotted owl. We should praise the Islamists for their consideration: they ride on buses and subways before blowing them up instead of driving those polluting automobiles. As for the automobiles, they blow those up to. That sends a strong signal that they oppose Global Warming, the real threat! Seriously, besides Global Warming, I thought that the real threat to the survival of Western civilization was CHRISTIANS opposing Da Vinci Code and trying to get Intelligent Design taught in schools. Those wacky Muslims killing and maiming tens of thousands of people is really just a sideshow, right?

55 if this theo fellow is trying to be rational why is he using fallacies in his arguments?

56 Chip, this is between us and the Libturds, not the wackos. Run along now.

57 Speaking of pollution, this thread reaks of stinky blips by some nut chip. Ya think his mamma nicknamed him that becuase of the bag of chips he's holding?

58 My wife just loves that tea cup named Chip in Beauty and the Beast. But, not the Chip posting here. I bet Chip is a chip off the old block. You're family is very proud of you Chip my boy.

59 836 people killed in the name of Allah. Hmmmm. I wonder how many were Non-muslim.

60 If anyone wants to see a picture of chip, just look up 'gullible' in your ol funkenwagnell...

61 I think this thread is a perfect example of devolution. But then, I've had three glasses of wine. So who am I to judge?

62 As Rusty reflects upon his return from London, he ponders the wisdom of touting the Jawa Report while in moonbat country ...

63 Hahaha! That was good! I love satire! Let me continue for ya! It's not Bush's fault we have to kill all of those innocent women and children! They can move out of Iraq if they think it's so bad! The 1/16 of Iraq that is working properly is a solid foundation for the other 15 parts to follow! Saddam may not have supported Al Qaeda, but he wanted the same thing that Al Qaeda did! To kill innocent American women and children! How dare they! The plan goes like this: first Al Qaeda decided to take advantage of the intelligence they had gathered about NORAD conducting drills concerning "virtual" commercial airliners and flying them into the WTC's. This information is key to the complex workings of men who live in caves. In fact, all cave men are fully aware of what the US military is doing/planning/thinking in their underground bunkers! Then, with the same "intelligence" source they discovered that FEMA would be setting up drills in NY during the week of 9/11 (common caveman knowledge). They also knew that the WTC security services contract with Marvin Bush was up, and that the main Al Qaeda investigator for the FBI agent had taken over the security services for the WTC's! So, while crippling the US economy there was a bittersweet victory for Al Qaeda in the works as well. Besides, they were afraid that Marvin would be able to stop their grand plan! So, after Al Qaeda unbelievably predicted that their amateur airline pilots could scare 25 to 35 people with plastic knives and box cutters, they thought "this is great, not only do we get to cripple the US economy, but we get to kill the FBI agent that knew about our plans and we get to scare full grown American men with tinker toys so bad that they allow us to crash their airplanes into skyscrapers for fear!" They hadn't planned on flight 93! They had no idea that a jet would be able to blow them out of the sky. They were under the impression that NORAD had scrambled all of the jets 200 miles off the coast of Washington D.C.! So 3 out of 4 is not bad! Thankfully, the Al Qaeda pilots were gifted by Allah and could perform maneuvers with airliners that are completely impossible without 72 virgins on their minds! They were very happy that PNAC had written "Rebuilding Americas Defenses" because it was another piece of evidence implicating the US government. Thankfully, people are unaware of all of this evidence because it would just mean that terrorism was working. That would be bad! The plan continues: They had no clue that GWB was so witty as to tap the phone lines all over America in search of them. They also had no clue that GWB was so smart as to attack Saddam! However, GWB will do whatever he has to do to catch these violent evil doer cavemen. GWB has been so successful at locating these evil doers that Al Qaeda has officially declared 6 men 2nd in command because we keep killing, and capturing them. And now that we have attacked Iraq weÂ’ll stir up all of the evil doers and torture and kill them all one by one until either we all die, or they do! There is no reward without sacrifice! So we must be with GWB no matter what! Who cares that Roosevelt said following your president no matter what is treasonous! Who cares that Ben Franklin said those who sacrifice liberty for security deserves neither! Times have changed! WeÂ’re at war for Gods sake. Show some backbone! And donÂ’t get me started about Larry Silverstein the Manchurian Candidate. Yes, Al Qaeda kidnaps and brainwashes people after abducting them with UFOÂ’s! God bless America!

64 See you guys, now I'm on your side!

65 All one has to do is laugh at my jokes

66 Well. It looks like I don't have to exhort the mass slaughter of lefturds much anymore, because they seem more than willing now to provide limitless evidence against themselves. The ones who aren't in open collusion with the enemy are stupid enough to think that someone is going to buy their idiotic conspiracy theories, but neither kind can be trusted to live among us; they are dangerous in their stupidity and should be purged from the body of our society.

67 Wingnuts are even too stupid to understand satire. In fact, they understand so little about it that they invited Colbert to speak at their White House Correspondents dinner. Haha! Morons! Serves'em right.

68 Another sign that repugs are "retarded", er I'm sorry (That's offensive to the folks of the world that are really retarded) I mean intellectually challenged! http://www.defenddelay.com/site/c.fuIWLhMTJrE/b.1084881/k.BE08/Home.htm

69 If that wasn't the stupidest move this president has made, having a comedian mock him at the White House Correspondents dinner. The guy did Bush better than Bush! I got a kick out of it, however it did nothing to instill confidence and just gave me all the more reason to view this president as a pathetic clown! A cowboy .. or how about a cowboy clown!? I think they have those at rodeos and parades.

70 >>>If that wasn't the stupidest move this president has made, having a comedian mock him at the White House Correspondents dinner. Yeah, that was "his" move. Bushitler planned it, ordered it, enabled it, funded it, scripted it, etc. etc. Major faux pas by Bushitler. You see, the sun doesn't rise or set without the neocons say so. It's a conspiracy I tells ya! Libtards can't tell the difference between a roast vs malicious mocking? Blame bushitler and the neocons!

71 LOL...Theo, I have no paranoia. Why don't you say what is on your mind? Your original line about "getting our asses kicked in Iraq" exposed your ignorance big time. And people that hate can most definitely hate themselves. The fact that you were raised a Christian or that your mom was a Christian is completely irrelevant. The only assumption I make about you is that you're most likely a self hating guilt ridden little man, who is afraid of his own shadow and of making the jihadists angry. So you agree that the war was a mistake for the reasons that I mentioned. Well, then that is it. Your other slathering dribble is peripheral (and WRONG) to that point. Once again, the "getting our asses kicked" is a complete lie and shows that you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. From now on, my advice to you, is to just stop after you say, "this war is wrong because it was not worth one American soldier's life for an experiment in democracy building". That's it. No more.

72 CMUNK: And the US (by far the most advanced in the world) will sit still and not do anything while all this is going on.

73 CMUCK: What is a Marine Commander? You two must be real close.

74 So Chip, you equate inviting discourse from an opposing view as stupid? Isn't that what free speech is all about? Isn't that the exact opposite of what you lefturds are always claiming about the "Neocon" agenda to stifle dissent? You're not just an idiot, you're intellectually dishonest too. It will be fun watching guys like you shit yourselves as you kick and squirm while doing the dance of the hemp necktie.

75 Hookah!? ... Anyone!?