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They could perhaps have conjugal visits with each other. But that's about it.
Posted by: Michael Hampton at May 25, 2006 09:12 PM (FVbj6)
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You guys have watched too many prison TV shows.
Posted by: john ryan at May 25, 2006 09:23 PM (TcoRJ)
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why are they going to federal prison for fraud?
How does this help the people they've defrauded, exactly? I'm just wondering.
Posted by: MiB at May 25, 2006 09:30 PM (B9sDR)
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It doesn't help them at all. Our criminal system isn't generally set up to provide restitution to the victims of criminals, but rather, to punish the criminals, something it does fairly well.
That's part of the reason I leave out the word "justice" when talking about the system.
Victims who want restitution have to pursue it themselves in the civil courts, and even when they win, it's the lawyers who really win.
Posted by: Michael Hampton at May 25, 2006 09:37 PM (FVbj6)
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>>>How does this help the people they've defrauded, exactly? I'm just wondering.
They aren't going to jail in order to "help people." They're going to jail because they are criminals.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 25, 2006 09:40 PM (8e/V4)
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So, instead of providing recompensation for the harmed in a way that also damages the two people who did the harming (like, say, garnishing their wages above what is necessary for a barebones living until the debt is paid back, plus interest,) we stick them in jail to rot and nobody gets any money back?
Slick, I love the US "justice" system at work.
Posted by: MiB at May 25, 2006 10:07 PM (B9sDR)
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"garnishing their wages"
lol! So basically no worse than like deadbeats paying back their student loans. Boy, talk about cruel and unusual punishment.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 25, 2006 10:34 PM (8e/V4)
Posted by: greyrooster at May 25, 2006 10:35 PM (pzM6K)
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I don't see how living basically in prison conditions (2 x 4 cell + cot) until you've paid back the millions of dollars they stole is the same as "paying back a student loan."
Besides you don't want cruel an unusual punishment, you want
justice. Justice is returning that which was stolen or, in this case, defrauded.
Posted by: MiB at May 26, 2006 12:36 AM (B9sDR)
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So what do you want? These guys defrauded people and other institutions of billions, not millions. How will they pay it back? And if they earn anything at all, who gets the money? A dollar or two to each individual they took literally their whole retirement from? I'm sure these people will be tickled to get a check once a month for about 5 cents. Just what kind of work can they do in prison that will make any difference? Or should they get paid more because they stole more?
Now that a guilty verdict has been rendered, hopefully all the assets can be distributed.
Posted by: Oyster at May 26, 2006 05:37 AM (YudAC)
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I don't see how living basically in prison conditions (2 x 4 cell + cot) until you've paid back the millions of dollars they stole is the same as "paying back a student loan.
I don't see how you can pay back the billions they owe when they're languishing in prison. Making license plates only pays about a buck o five an hour.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 26, 2006 05:40 AM (8e/V4)
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Correction John Ryan. They watch too much Office Space which is one of my favorite movies by the way.
Posted by: Jack Miller at May 26, 2006 06:14 AM (CnDtU)
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For argument's sake, we'll assume JC is right and they get "a buck o five an hour". And let's say they don't get to keep any of it. And let's assume a 40 hour week (which is not a bad assumption considering the bleeding hearts who would scream about the prisoner's rights should he be forced to work longer). So anyway, that's $42 a week. Times 52 weeks (no vacation time) equals $2,184 a year. Let's assume 2,184 people got screwed although, we know it's more. That's a dollar a year per person. That's justice? Just Ken Lay would have to work for nearly half a million years to pay back 1 billion.
Posted by: Oyster at May 26, 2006 06:15 AM (YudAC)
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I can't believe so many people want Kenneth and Jeffrey to be free. They are criminals. They committed fraud. I agree with Jesusland Carlos on this one. They should be in prison for a long time.
Posted by: Jack Miller at May 26, 2006 06:19 AM (CnDtU)
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So, its not justice for everyone to get a dollar (assuming the numbers JC pulled from places best left unexplored are correct), but it
is for them to get nothing.
I'm not seeing it. Why not put them to work at something that makes more than "a buck oh five an hour," like medical testing?
Posted by: MiB at May 26, 2006 06:25 AM (B9sDR)
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They should never get out.
Posted by: Oyster at May 26, 2006 06:30 AM (YudAC)
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>>>"medical testing"
MiB,
I prefer the American justice system, thank you. The best way for folks to get restitution is a civil lawsuit for damages. I'm sure Lay and Skilling have a few million tucked away a la O.J.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 26, 2006 06:35 AM (8e/V4)
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Torture !! How about that. Torture them until they tell where their money is.
Posted by: john ryan at May 26, 2006 08:20 AM (TcoRJ)
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Yes! Torture! We'll make a compilation of all of john's posts and make them read them over and over.
Posted by: Oyster at May 26, 2006 11:18 AM (8S4yo)
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It helps people to send these fraudsters to prison. It is a positive good for our society to punish them severely, not necessarily on account of how their sentences affect their victims. But punishing these guys is necessary to deter future fraud crimes by others.
It's not an option not to punish them; if you want to deter others, if you believe, like me, that the line of people in this world who are willing to commit fraud does not end with these two men, you must punish them. Hard.
Posted by: cobalt blue at May 26, 2006 11:36 AM (REXOp)
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No Oyster! No! No! Noooooooo!
Posted by: hondo at May 26, 2006 03:00 PM (k/PLS)
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Typical John Ryan. Call for torture of US prisoners but not of terrorist prisoners.
Friggin leftard.
Posted by: greyrooster at May 26, 2006 09:37 PM (pfOwp)
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After raping all of their employees by stealing their pensions, I think they deserve something a little more fitting than the Office Space - pound me in the ass federal prison. They should get Hitler's punishment from the Adam Sandler movie "Little Nicky".
Posted by: memphis761 at May 30, 2006 09:58 AM (D3+20)
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