January 25, 2006

Joel Stein Might Have Gotten Enough But Now It's My Turn

As I'm sure most people who follow the news are aware of by now an LA Times writer, Joel Stein, wrote a controversial piece insulting my career titled, Warriors and wusses. Mr. Stein is entitled to his opinion and he's been a pretty good sport about the criticism he's received due to his editorial that bashes the troops. However, I think as an American, a blogger and a service member I'm entitled to address Joel Stein directly.

Warriors and wusses is an interesting title. But I don't believe that Joel Stein intended it to be an insult to service members directly. I believe that Mr. Stein thinks that is you support the troops but not the war then you're a wuss with a misguided sense of direction. Joel Stein probably believes that most people that have a yellow ribbon of some sort displayed some where hate the President, Operation Iraqi Freedom, and Conservatives but still want to support the troops. I honestly don't think it occurs to Mr. Stein that there are people out there that actually support the troops and our wishes on a grander scale than he imagines (he might now since he's written his editorial).

The fact that Joel Stein says that he thinks he would like the troops and admits he knows not a single US service member doesn't surprise me. Mr. Stein, you should seriously consider meeting some of us before you say you don't support us. We're just like you in almost every way the only thing that separates us from you, sir, is the fact we work for the Department of Defense and have probably been to more countries than you without spending nearly as much money. To help Mr. Stein along in meeting some of us I'd like to extend an open invitation to Joel Stein to come and spend some time with my daughter and me in our home in Colorado. I could invite some friends over and he could meet people from every branch of the Department of Defense if he so wanted.

I honestly don't think there is anyone left out there that supports the troops and not the war. Joel Stein's piece certainly indicates that support for Operation Iraqi Freedom has certainly started to dry up on the left side of the aisle. That dwindling support is even more apparent when you read left-wing blogs and listen to Democrats. However, when you step over to the right side of the aisle and the right-wing blogs support for me and my fellow service members couldn't be stronger. For the moment, we're the majority of America and it will probably stay that way due to articles like Mr. Stein's.

Joel Stein also points out that "people who pull triggers are ultimately responsible" for what the left considers the wrongs of the war. Mr. Stein stops short of saying that we should all be hauled in front of a war crimes tribunal but he certainly implies that we should be. He's more than welcome to think that. However, I'm not sure how his home would look after the world realized that there was no way the United States could defend itself and the Pentagon was now the Penta-gone. Mr. Stein states, "An army of people making individual moral choices may be inefficient, but an army of people ignoring their morality is horrifying." I think that Joel Stein's lack of knowledge about military service shines through on this one. I go to work every morning because I'm ordered to. I take courses because I'm ordered to. I better myself because it's expected of me. I live by a set of rules that makes the US Code look like a children's book and follow everyone of them to the letter because I made the moral choice to do so. I took my Oath of Enlistment very seriously and I'm very proud to continue to serve my nation and defend Joel Stein's right to write bad things about me and my second family.

All-in-all, I respect Joel Stein's opinion. I think it's a very misguided opinion and I'm more than willing to help him meet a few of his protectors and their families, however, I don't respect Joel Stein the person because of what he's written. Just like how he doesn't respect me even though he's never known or met someone even like me. If Mr. Stein reads this then we'll be on the exact same playing field. He's more than welcome to discuss morals with me at the time of his choosing.

UPDATE: Joel Stein Responds

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Originally Posted at Conservative Thinking

Posted by: Chris Short at 09:05 PM | Comments (17) | Add Comment
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1 I think Joel represents a certain segment in America who have never been exposed to anything other than a liberal lifestyle with little or only minimal contact with what I would call normal people. They do not hunt, fish, shoot, or participate in sports or outdoor activities. They would never dream of joining the armed forces, have minimal contact with our men and women in the armed forces, and are pretty ignorant of military matters. They are not stupid, as a matter of fact most are well educated in the liberal sense of the word, but are lacking in what we would call common sense. They aren't capable of doing routine maintenance on a vehicle, and certainly can't or won't do yard word, home maintenance, or many other things that the average American does on a daily basis.

Posted by: The 'prophet' rapes children at January 25, 2006 09:34 PM (rUyw4)

2 Joel Stein is an idiot. What he said was idiotic. That said, to claim that most Americans support the illegal war in Iraq is nothing short of delusional. To think that any soldier in Iraq right now is protecting anything in America - aside from the vested financial interests of oil and defense contractors - is similarly naive. Hey, I want all the troops to come home, soon, alive and well. But please...we've done nothing to Iraq and the Iraqi's but spread ruination. This war has done nothing for our country except drive it deeper into bankruptcy and lower our standing in the eyes of the world - and yes, that does matter, because it has become apparent to all the world that America no longer knows right from wrong. And lying to ourselves about it is not helping anything.

Posted by: rougy at January 25, 2006 10:34 PM (/JLfh)

3 A good link: http://www.freedomroad.org/content/view/175/40/ Scroll down to: "Let me explain something, by way of a war story."

Posted by: rougy at January 25, 2006 10:46 PM (/JLfh)

4 Rougy, I'm not sure what blog you think this is, but you're probably wrong. Now go peddle your chickenshit defeatism somewhere else you spineless little infinitessimal fraction of a man.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 26, 2006 12:37 AM (0yYS2)

5 Rougy completely forgot the entire theme of Chris's post and the reason and meaning behind it as soon as he imagined something was being said that he didn't agree with. All reason goes out the window and he can't resist the troll urge to jump in and make an idiot of himself spouting his opposition to something Chris DIDN'T EVEN SAY. With that said - Chris, you're a better person than I in your patience and forgiveness for the "Rougys" and Steins of the world. I would gleefully punch either one in the nose. It's the only way you can extend your hand to them and not pull back a stump.

Posted by: Oyster at January 26, 2006 05:49 AM (YudAC)

6 My family subscribed to the LAT from 1954 - 1988. In 1964 (big O)the Communist shot puter from Stanford (Joel's alma mater) took over and vowed to make the paper as antiAmerican as the NYT. By 1970 he was there. They ran thousands of antiAmerican editorials as "news" items from 1960 - 1988. I wrote several letters to the editor complaining about: A.printing out right lies about America as "facts" or "news" and B. publishing opinions or editorials on the front page as "news". I finally got fed up and canceled my subscription 18 years ago. It is not hard to understand why the LAT has been losing market share the last 35 years and has spent most of that time losing money. Which has resulted in 3 or 4 series of layoffs the last 5 years. To their credit this year they have added some writers/pundits from the middle. The first time their new hires have not been America haters in 47 years.

Posted by: Rod Stanton at January 26, 2006 06:42 AM (xcy9v)

7 Great post Chris. I think you got to the heart of it. Joel, because he has never met anyone in the military or apparently anyone who supports the military, doesn't even know what that kind of thinking looks like. He lives in a little bubble. (Just recently found your blog and am really liking it. Thanks. Great writing!)

Posted by: Terri Goon at January 26, 2006 07:55 AM (WetdX)

8 Roughy's website is theblackflag.org, so I suppose he's some sort of anarchist. Which would explain his persistent delusion of "vested financial interests of oil and defense contractors."

Posted by: pst314 at January 26, 2006 09:13 AM (OA547)

9 Well said, Chris.

Posted by: Jeff at January 26, 2006 10:12 AM (rf03a)

10 If someone is truly an anarchist, there are plenty of places in the world where the only law comes from the barrel of a gun, so they should be perfectly happy there, and we should all encourage them to leave.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 26, 2006 10:43 AM (0yYS2)

11 Most of the anarchists I have ever seen are raging against the trustfund from Daddy.

Posted by: dave at January 26, 2006 11:01 AM (CcXvt)

12 You've gotta say at least one thing to Joel Stein's credit: By openly acknowledging his non-support for both the troops and their mission, he's proven that he's got bigger cojones than any of his endlessly waffling and equivocating ideologocal brethren who actually hold any political power in Washington. So I say forget Hilary; the Dems should nominate Stein for president in 2008! Sure, he'll probably get slaughtered by whomever the Republicans put up, but so would any other Dem including Hilary. At least with Stein as the Dem candidate we can be assured of a campaign that's both honest and entertaining (although after his little conversation with Hugh Hewitt, Stein might want to bone up on his debating skills.)

Posted by: Joshua at January 26, 2006 11:28 AM (2c7xL)

13 That's true Dave, they're mostly a bunch of trustafarians who have never had to do an honest day's work in their lives and exist solely as parasites. Fortunately, when it comes time to round up and exterminate all the degenerates in society, as must be done occasionally if any civilization wants to survive, they'll be easy to identify by their tattoos, piercings, ratty clothes, and body odor.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 26, 2006 01:17 PM (0yYS2)

14 I would die so that Mr. Stein may speak his opinion without fear of retribution. Would he do the same for me.

Posted by: Sentinel at January 26, 2006 01:52 PM (6OibN)

15 I wouldn't die for any piece of shit like Stein or anyone else who openly commits sedition and offers aid and comfort to the enemy. I don't usually pick up on memes, but as someone said, the Constitution is not a suicide pact. You're either a loyal citizen, or you're not, there is no third way.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 26, 2006 03:17 PM (0yYS2)

16 If JOEL STEIN wants to see a wussie he should go look in a mirror

Posted by: sandpiper at January 30, 2006 10:10 AM (A2P9P)

17 Most liberals now-a-days are sliver spoon fed elitists who rebel out of guilt for being raised without a care. Meanwhile the true heros are the everyday men and women, like yourself, who defend this country. You are the real heros. Sadly many of my young Jewish counterparts, like Joel Stein, would've appeased Hilter and probably not fought to defeat even him. Many young Jewish people like Joel Stein have no concept that Islamic facisim is one of the biggest threats in the world. People like Stein think they can appease those who would want to kill them by blaming themselves, like most liberals do. Oh how they forget that concept didn't work in Hitler's time also.

Posted by: Concerned Jewish Person at January 31, 2006 05:01 AM (IgFdS)

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