1 This is just spaceman history, and is no different than the crazy shit proposed by the professor who is suspicious about what really happened on 9/11. What's the difference? It supports conservative interpretations of Hiroshima & Nagasaki, so you nut cases actually buy into it. Rusty, if you had any credibility left you'd exclude this sort of idiocy from your site, or portray it in the same light as the 9/11 stuff, which, by the way, only 1 in 10,000 accademics would think worthy of consideration. Yeah, the Japanese could have used a nuclear devise against a U.S. invasion. That's the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time... and I've visited this site quite often in the past couple weeks so that's saying quite a bit.

2 Isn't that cute? The Perfesser (community college junior instructor at best?) makes a number of unsupported assertions and then complains of a lack of academic rigor in the post. Anyone who thinks the Imperial Japanese would have rejected the use of a 25 kiloton nuke to thwart an American invasion of the home islands is ignorant of history (that would be you, Van Nostril) or erroneously applying today's "progressive" thinking to a conflict that ended sixty years ago.

3 If you'd like to see my complete take-down of this ludicrous position visit The Dread Pundit Bluto's site and see the trackback.

4 The Professor has a good point, Bluto. No one doubts that the Japs would have used the bomb, but I've never heard that they actually tested one. This follows close on the heels of The History Channel running such in-depth and ground-breaking documentaries such as "Aliens: Fact or Fiction? You decide." Man, have they sunk to a new low. Seriuosly, the Japs were very good at copying advanced technology, but have never been good at developing it themselves. Even if they had the plans given to them by the Germans, just as they got plans for jet-engine technology, it would have taken them much longer to develop than it did the Germans. But Professor, this type of insane historical revisionism can't be compared to 9/11 moonbattery. One is done in the context of 60 years later, while the other is used to deligitimize an ongoing war. It would be something like gainsaying the Maine incident in the midst of WWII. Not very relevant. On the other hand, had Americans in the mid 1940s tried to wirte that FDR plotted Pearl Harbor, then they would find themselves in jail as a traitor. Big difference, now and then.

5 I disagree Rusty. In order to make a point, you have to support it. The Perfesser hasn't even made the attempt; he simply typed some liberal-speak orthodoxy.

6 I've visited the Perfesser's blog and read his "takedown". It's such a flimsy piece of work that I think I might fisk it. It's a constatn wonder to me that so many who claim academic credentials have such weak forensic skills.

7 i agree with Bluto on this....i also have read that the japanese had tested a very small nuclear like device on a small island somewhere near the Korean coast...i do not have any proof of this but i do know that i saw and read the information but i can not recall where i had seen it

8 Fisk away Dread Pundit. I find right wing fisking to be quite humorous... by the way... I've noted that you didn't mention one of my arguments that you disagree with... though Rusty did... Rusty... must you insist continuing to suggest that I or any significant number of sane individuals doubt what happened on 9/11 (see my latest post for more on this)... You lose more and more credibility every time you suggest that any sizable number on the left believe any sort of conspiracy theory about 9/11... somehow, I think you already know this, but that you are continuing to play to your audience. Which, of course, would be intellectually bankrupt of you, if true. By the way... I'd link my site but Rusty contines to "accidentally" ban me from doing so.

9 um yea Professor, i know a few liberal thinking people at my job that DO believe in some wild off the wall conspiracies about 9/11 and it makes me laugh when they try and argue their points, since i can point to other information that makes their arguements look stupid and insane....kind of like an X-Files show

10 Err, perfesser, I haven't mentioned any of your arguments because you haven't made any, not even a cogent ad hominem, though I guess you tried. As for the fisking, I've decided it's better just to let your piece twist slowly in the wind. That's usually the best course with Sound and Fury-type posts. THANOS35: here's a bibliography of Japanese atomic bomb stories.

11 Rusty. If you want to continue to make the argument that the 9/11 conspiracy "moonbats" are from the left, please explain the article by William Norman Grigg, entitled "Did We Know What Was Coming?" in The New American (published by the John Birch Society). Is there a group more on the right wing wacked out fringe than the John Birchers? I think we should consider this case as closed and you should turn to some better, more honest rhetoric to advance your evil cause.

12 My 'evil' cause? If the cause of America winning its wars are 'evil', then count me in. At some point being an American ought to trump all ideological arguments. We are at war, let us win. That is my only cause. John Birchers? Anyway, the right has succesfully marginalized its conspiracy nuts. The left cannot say the same. Not a day goes by where some one comments in an old thread about the Zionist conspiracy and this or that act of terrorism. If you think these comments are coming from the right, then you don't know much.

13 HST did the right thing whether they had "the bomb" or not. It saved millions of lives - both ours and theirs, It also cut at least 2 years off the war and probably 3. The Japs fought to the death. Literally to the last man. Take a look at the stats on Okinawa, Guadal Canal.... I have many relatives who were fighting the Japs in 45 and to a man they said HST did the right thing. To a man, no doubts.

14 Your template is hosed when I click for the extended entry. It overlaps everything below it, making it unreadable. I'm using Firefox. Nice design though. There's always a bug or three to deal with.

15 thank you Bluto....most helpfull

16 Don't know anything about Japanese Nukes. What I do know is that Von Nostril is a friggin nutcase.

17 Rusty. My point was not that the "what really happened on 9/11" crowd comes from the right or left. The point was that they are irrelevant no matter how much virtual ink you want to give them, and to portray the left as a bunch of wackos who believe "the government" facilitated 9/11 is more than just dishonest. Your suggestion that "if you read Chomsky or Zinn or Said all of this begins to make sense" is just ridiculous. Each one of those guys believes nothing of the sort (especially Said since he's dead). Your suggestion that Americans abandon their duty as human beings to oppose unjust war defeats itself, but I refuse to believe that you actually think that being a patriot requires that we check our morality at the door. The problem with you righties is that you have never been able to comprehend that sometimes duty to America and its principles requires us to speak out against the things its government does in our names. Aside from that, there are a multitude of realist scholars (not to mention the evidence on the ground) who think this war is creating more terrorists than it is eliminating; if that's true, I think it is probably pretty important that somebody speak out about it.

18 Hey perfesser. This war was started almost 25 years ago. And it's radical Islam that's creating the terrorists. Go back to sleep, dhimmi.

19 Okay! Now I'm mad and changing the subject. I have contributed (according to some) for some time. I feel neglected. I recently announced team Greyrooster's victory in one of the biggest fishing touraments in the country. We slaughtered them. Taking first and second place. Biggest fish, most fish. We won the Calcutta betting pool. The tourament cash. A 150hp 4 Stoke outboard from Yamaha. A $20,000 bay boat. I spent over 3 years and $150,000 to finally win one of the big ones. What do I get from you computer freaks. Nothing. Not a word. A regular on your blog wins and nothing. BUNCH OF COMPUTER SHUTINS. Even the beer drinking, sheet wearing rednecks on the river think I am God for a day. I hate you. SICK, SICK, SICK bunch of never do nothings. Are you so used to losing that you cannot acknowledge a winner? Academic Turkeys. Artin: Did you quit on me? We were just beginning to understand each other. Quiter. Is that an Armenian trait? Is that why you guys always lose? Osama never been no where. Is your yankee ass worn out too? To busy kissing Al Shartons black ass to contribute? Or perhaps, you took the subway and was mugged by a bunch of Clinton subporters. Morimoto: If the facts of life hurt you, I am sorry. Have you given up so soon? Is that true faith? Faith over country and race. Interesting. Sounds akin to a muslim way of thinking. Isn't that what they proclaim? So, easy quiters, here it is. Muslims suck and the Greyrooster rules. Always knew it. Liberals wear panties. There can be no other reason. Those who kill babies are heartless bastards thinking only of themselves. The solution. Rubbers. Everyone is great except muslims. But white people are the best. The most generous, the best in business, the most compassionate, the most inventive, the best looking, the list can go on forever. Islamofacism must be contained NOW. The method matters not. Civilization must win at all costs. Religion is Okay as long as it is secular. Except Islam which must be banned and preferably eradicated for the peace of the world. I have run my mouth enough. I have drank enough. Goodnight. And may all that disagree kiss my ass.

20 Howard Johnson is right!

21 At the end of WWII, when the allies were closing in on them, the Germans were shipping most of their nuclear materials and some people to Japan to combine with Japan's nuclear program. There has even been movies made of the story. Why this is a mystery, no idea. It was a race, the good guys won.

22 Did anyone see the show of the History channel about the dropping of the Bombs on Japan, since it was 60 years ago (on Aug 6 and Aug 9). The main jest of the story was that HST did not really need to drop the bomb. That the emperor was trying to negotiate a peace with Russia, since they were the only major power currently not at war with Japan. The story also said that Japan was willing to surrender to us on one condition, that the Emperor stayed on the throne after the surrender. This was supposedly taking place around the end of May and early July. The story also said that the only reasons we dropped the bombs were 1. We spent 2 billion on them and wanted to see them work. 2. By dropping the bomb, we would have a much greater advantage over the Russians in the post war talks. Much like laying your Peacemaker on the gambling table. 3. By forcing the Japs to surrender to our terms, we could keep the Russians out of all talks about Japan. Now I am not saying it is true or not. I need to do more research, but it is interesting. If Japan was willing to surrender, (keeping in mind their one condition, which they got anyways), then Truman actually help the war drag on so we could finish the the bombs, and that he did kill 185 k people (in the name of science.) Now I admit that I never heard this until the show on Sat Night. I always thought the Japs were the true "Die Hards". As anyone else ever hear of the Japs wanting to surrender pre Hiroshma? If so, can you point me to some sources on it.

23 I have never read that the Japs tested a nuke, but I did read somewhere that uranium (or plutonium? I forget) was one of the materials the Nazis were smuggling to the Japanese islands via their sub convoys.

24 Butch The argument is false right out of the gate. If the Japanese had been so willing to surrender before Hiroshima, then why did they wait until after Nagasaki? I watched some History channel this weekend, but must have missed the program you are talking about, as the ones I watched on the subject just stated the facts.

25 >>>>I hate you. SICK, SICK, SICK bunch of never do nothings. Are you so used to losing that you cannot acknowledge a winner? hahaha! that was a hilarious rant, and a well-deserved one.

26 Peter Von Nostrand: What's so funny about your complete dismissal of the possibility of Japan's detonation of a nuclear device is that it coincide's with so much of the left's decisions on what's provable conspiracy and what's not. It seems that the main criteria for consideration of any conspiracy is whether or not the US is named as the perpetrator. If it was, then the conspiracy MUST be true. If not, then we must give everyone else the benefit of the doubt or discount it entirely. If the conspiracy truly has been proven to be perpetrated by someone else, then the US is blamed for driving them to it. It's a lose/lose situation for us with you guys, isn't it? It's that "self-loathing" thing that permeates the left so thoroughly that it's not enough that they hate their country for providing them with an advantage by ensuring their liberty, they must try to push everyone else into the same mindset of guilt and blame.

27 Defense Guy, The show started around 11:30pm Central, on Aug 6. Most of the time I would agree with you. But I can see the reason why some people could believe this. Like I said, most of the reason HST supposedly want to drop the bomb was in intimidating Russia, more so then ending the war with Japan. Also, the reason why the Japs did not surrender was they wanted to ensure that the emperor would stay on the throne, which we did not promise them. If you do see anything on this theory, I would be grateful if you pass it on. While we are talking history, although of a different time, I hope to switch topic just for a sec. Can anyone tell me what the distance is from Ricall, England to Stamford Bridge, England (in miles or Kilometers.) I have never found out the distance, but I found many case of how far it is from London to York and York to Stamford Bridge.

28 At the time Hitler has realized his mistake(didn't believe in the bomb) and that Germany was going down. Ever wonder why heavy industial targets were #1 one the list? Yes everyone was chasing the bomb. But if your capability TO MAKE ONE IS LOST FIRST you pretty much have to surrender now don't you. Grandpa was able to make a trip to Nagasaki while in Japan after the surrender. All he has to say is it was worse than the worst you can imagine. Worse than watching bodies bob in the surf and listening to them belch and fart all night after laying in the hot sun while you hid in your foxhole. Bones of the dead glowed for six months from the excited phosphorus. Yes one terrible tradgedy was chosen over another atrocity and at that time it was the right thing to do. One to end WWII and also as a demostration however horrid of that which is to come. We all hope and pray that these were the first and last times nuclear weapons were and will ever be used against human beings anywhere. But antimatter triggered H bombs wow wouldn't that be cool. More punch with no heavy isotopes. Humans are stupid. I don't for a minute believe that trumpet soundings are predetermined by by God. The timing anyway. He has seen how we will all end up. But also he has given us that gift of self determination too. When the nuclear trumpet is sounded again there will be no one to blame but us (all of us a humans) and I'm sure justice will be exacted. The sad truth is that we have set the outcome not God. We will not be able to overcome out hatred of each other and eventually that trumpet will sound. Shame shame on us all. Forgive us Father for we know not what we do.

29 Howie: It was the will of Allah. If Allah hadn't of wanted the atomic bombs to explode, he would have stopped it. Ask any mad moola. Does that mean Allah is at fault? I wonder what is inside the mind of those who rationalize why the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA dropped a bomb 60 years after the fact. Why doesn't anyone talk about the bombings we and our allies did to the Germans? Ever seen those pictures. We destroyed city after city. Total destruction. Never a mention. Hmmmmm. Oh yea! They were Nazis and not cannibals.