1 What rational individual wouldn't be? I had this comment (excerpt) on my site today: "Nothing I say and nothing the left could ever do will ever change your opinion in your world where anger and hatred reign supreme over reality." Righteous anger? F*** yeah! Hatred? "You love life. We love death." F*** yeah! I HATE DEATH!

2 I wrote an email to Sen. Durbin. I imagine it will end up in the dustbin. I served 30 years defending the Constitution of this great nation. To hear an elected representative of the people of Illinois spew this sedition is beyond the pall. How dare he use the floor of the U.S. Senate to further the aims of those who wish to destroy us. I am so bitterly dispointed by what passes for dissent from the Democratic party. I fear for this nation.

3 it's all about their bush and america hatred. You would think that someone on the left would have the brains to say "ok, Bush is gone in 2009. Let's show we are patriots, get over our Bush hatred, since he isn't going to get impeached or anything, and work on winning 2008." But they are to f'ing stupid. Every last f'ing one of them.

4 The Left is the enemy of this country. If the rank and file don't know this it's only because they're ignorant dupes.

5 To me, the contrast is in the people involved. The people that the terrorists are murdering are there to help rebuild the country of Iraq... The people at Gitmo are there because they are trying to destroy it.

6 Casual observation: I bet over half of the inmates in the various state prison systems throughout this country who were convicted based on an in-custody confession claim they were roughed up in a manner at least as bad as what is alleged by the Gitmo detainees. Is Durbin going to advocate closing down our entire prison system, just to be consistent?

7 They're just scared. As far as I'm concerned, they're the enemy. Their brains have obviously been warped beyond what most of us can probably concieve. I hope they just keep going, they already sound a little insane, ok, really insane. The left will just continue letting the poopie run outta their mouths. It'll be background noise eventually. There's obviously some very confused, screwed up individuals on the left. Although, I could say that about the right also...

8 Carlos...man, I think you hate libs more than IM sometimes! So tell me...if they're ALL so bad, since I'll assume you've met them all...what's the cure for the poison? I just can't blame a whole group of people based on interactions with a small fraction of them. If a black guy broke into my car, does that make all black guys thieves? Noooooo. If whitey called someone a "nigger" are all white people racist bastards? Noooooo. The moment you let generalizations take over rational judgment, the wrong people get the nasty end of the stick.

9 Tyler observed: "There's obviously some very confused, screwed up individuals on the left. Although, I could say that about the right also..." Yes, but the ones on the right aren't giving aid and comfort to the enemy. That, my friend, is the crucial difference. Treason isn't a Constitutional right.

10 Ouch, nice....

11 osama, Yes, I do despise the Left, and it began after 9/11 when they sided with our enemies, and decided that christians and jews and American GIs are worse than AQ. That's I learned to despise the Left. The cure to Leftism is to totally and utterly discredit the ideology/religion. It is harmful to people and harmful to this country.

12 and ps., osama, I treat Leftists with the same respect they treat me. They're still human beings. I judge individuals by their behaviour, not their ideology, and that goes for muslims too.

13 Carlos, good p.s. I try the same... Thing is, I don't know a single Liberal that holds the views you speak of. Most hate Bush, inc. and don't want war...but as far as thinking AQ is better than anyone, I've never seen it. I'm not saying it's not out there though. Maybe I haven't met or interacted with the same ones as you.

14 Improbulus Maximus, Here's a quote from US Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas I'll guess you haven't heard.... "The right to revolt has sources deep in our history."

15 I think it comes down to does might make right or should it be the rule of law? As a world leader we set the tone. And lately the tone we've been setting is might makes right. I believe this is the wrong tone to be setting. The reported activities at Gitmo & Abu Ghraib only help the terrorist's recuiting efforts. This doesn't mean we should shoot the messenger that reports when these evil activities happen. It means we should work towards preventing the abuses from happening in the first place, not just brush them off; e.g. photoshopped photos or videos of the Quran being pee'd on, thinking its funny.

16 >>>"Maybe I haven't met or interacted with the same ones as you." dude, just listen to what they say. Do they go around thinking how much they hate America and want to see it destroyed? Probably some do, but not most. But all of them will side with our enemies first before giving their own country the benefit of the doubt. Is that what you do with your brother Collin? Do you always give strangers the benefit of the doubt over family? No, you stick up for the guy even when you know he's wrong, and then in private you have a talk with him-- that's how conservatives are with their country. Libs are like the brother who publicly joins strangers in criticizing his family, and then tells his bro how much he "loves" him. What a load of crap. If my bro did that to me and then told me he "loved" me I'd punch him in the face. And this behaviour is consistent and across the board. And they do it at every opportunity, calling their country imperialist, racist, etc., even reaching back into history to the cowboy days or the Crusades to prove how rotten we still are-- all the while saying they do it out of "love". Honestly, it's pathetic. We don't like that shit, so we punch them in the nose verbally at every opportunity.

17 "The right to revolt has sources deep in our history." puzzled, true, and so does the right to squash you and grind you into dust. Might doesn't make right, but it doesn't make wrong either.

18 Carlos, you are imagining things. A large chunk of this country, most according to the most recent polls, doesn't like the way the Iraq war is being prosecuted. Does that mean that the majority of the citizenry hate their own country? I'd interpret it less dramatically - the country is uneasy with the strategy in Iraq, which doesn't seem to most citizens to be working.

19 SLE, Don't tell me I'm imagining things. There's a difference between disagreeing about whether our troops should be in Iraq vs whether we are nazis. America-hatred oozes from the Left. When Michael Moore called the terrorists "minutemen", that was a visible example of Leftist hatred for America, but not an isolated one. When Liberals call our military prisons gulags, when Liberal Senators equate our soldiers to Nazis are more examples. Calling the American people the dumbest people on the planet, calling our country racist and imperialist and the greatest source of evil on the planet, etc etc etc. The examples are infinite and endless. Here at home on domestic policies you shift that hatred toward "neonazi" christians, or "white christians" as Howard Dean calls them. Well, I'm not white, and even I think that stinks. I hope all white chritians take offense and switch parties.

20 Carlos, in a typical moment of insight said: "The Left is the enemy of this country. If the rank and file don't know this it's only because they're ignorant dupes." Funny how people who idolize the dogma of Lenin don't know enough about him to recognize themselves as his "useful idiots".

21 IM, I think almost every political party has it's "useful idiots", don't you think? By the way, how/where did you learn Latin?

22 Regardless of polls, I don't put a lot of stock in them, I would agree that it's likely that a large percentage of people have issues with the way the war has gone. And I agree. Mistakes have been made and miscalculations have made this a bigger problem than it should have been. That said though, I can't agree with the "minority" who want a complete pull-out when progress IS being made, however slow. The Iraqis, with a fledgling military force of their own now are beginning to feel a sense of ownership of their country and are becoming more active in the fight by volunteering information on the whereabouts of hiding places, weapons caches, etc. And for some to keep screaming bloody murder about Gitmo (even those who have little or no real information on Gitmo) while ignoring other, much bigger things is disingenuous. They've become single minded to the exclusion of everything else. For argument's sake, if for one moment we could set aside what brought us to this war, I would think that at this point, those who want out would promote the progress being made which, would hasten our departure. No one can deny that, if given more support for the progresses, the terrorist's agenda would shrivel faster and Iraq would be much closer to being autonomous. Instead, there are those using tactics that prolong it - and I think it's in the hopes that, as a result, it will become an utter failure. Their sole purpose is to bring shame upon all of us at any expense. It's too late in the game for this to be an objective.

23 Someone who appropriately named theirself puzzled said: "Here's a quote from US Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas I'll guess you haven't heard.... "The right to revolt has sources deep in our history." Yep, and I agree, but every cause must have a purpose, and every act a justification. "I think it comes down to does might make right or should it be the rule of law?" The rule of law is nothing without the might to enforce it. Our laws are meant to protect the weak and innocent, not to ignore or enable tyranny. Those on the left not only ignore tyranny, but encourage it by their actions. "As a world leader we set the tone. And lately the tone we've been setting is might makes right." What color is the sky in your world? Rather to say "Right justifies might". "I believe this is the wrong tone to be setting." You are indeed aptly named. "The reported activities at Gitmo & Abu Ghraib only help the terrorist's recuiting efforts." You mean the leftist propaganda about Gitmo and Aby Ghraib only help the terrorists' recruiting efforts. "This doesn't mean we should shoot the messenger that reports when these evil activities happen." No but we should shoot the seditious traitor who gives aid and comfort to the enemy by lying for them. "It means we should work towards preventing the abuses from happening in the first place, not just brush them off; e.g. photoshopped photos or videos of the Quran being pee'd on, thinking its funny." It means we should keep things in perspective, such as the contrast between innocent people getting their heads chopped off compared to discomfiture of said head-choppers. You on the left are demonstrating your hatred for Western civlization, with all its laws and traditions. You are actively and intentionally betraying humanity by equating the acts of soldiers acting lawfully to murderers who kill innocent people for no reason other than to satisfy their own blood lust. For the good of society, just shut up and hope that all the horrible things you think of this country never come true, because if they do, you and your kind won't last long.