1 >>>So CNNjazeera calls them gunmen (I guess freedom fighter didn't quite fit) And for those with no moral compass (that's you, Libs), "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."

2 We would not have this problem if all arabs were rounded up and incinerated in gas chambers. Quick, efficient, and the right thing to do. Wasting precious American lives for this subhuman filth is criminal.

3 I think they used "gunmen" because they had no idea who did it. Could have been Shi'ite death squads, with our weapons and uniforms. Could have been Al Qaeda in Iraq. Could have been a militia of one of the parties. Could have been bandits. You can see it as bias, if you want, if that makes you feel like a "rebel" against the "leftwing" media. But really, it is much more likely that they are using that because, in a fast breaking news environment, they really didn't know if these were terrorists or bandits/robbers. Do you really think that CNNjazeera supports the people who killed teachers? That they don't think those who kill civilians are murderers? I'm sure they don't support them. I'm sure they think they are murderers. How would it look "Murderers killed four teachers today." Duh. Of course they are murderers. But until we know if they are terrorists, death squaders, or bandits, they have to use a term that could cover all of those. Murderer looks pretty dumb. Gunmen does the trick. Relax.

4 "Now I see why......" Howie if you can "see why" you certainly have better vision than most. As for calling any of the fighters in Iraq "freedom fighters" could you provide a recent link for that ? Reminding us all of poorly chosen words may not be in the best intersets of our country in trying to deal with the present situation. But if you do wish to use them perhaps we shopuld also be reminded of some others: "cakewalk"" tipping point" "desperate last throes of the insurgency".In the al-Jazeera link, which discribes it as a drive by shooting, they are called "the attackers". Let's also try to remember that on a typical day in Iraq the murder of four represents only about 10% of the bodies that will be taken to the central morgue in Baghdad. At least these four were not subject to the more common torture followed by murder.http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/B9C370CC-E904-46DA-85AD-319DDFDDF52B.htm

5 >>>We would not have this problem if all arabs were rounded up and incinerated in gas chambers. Quick, efficient, and the right thing to do. clown, how bout you just scurry on back to Daily Kos with all the other cockroaches. You're not wanted here.

6 Gunmen? ... those are the good guys, right?

7 He sounds like a Kossite to me...NOT. Look, you have your fringes, the left has its. Yours are not theirs, and theirs are not yours. I think he and IM are sincere in their desire to incinerate Muslims. It's a hop and a skip and two jumps from many positions here.

8 In general when teachers are Murdered it's because someone is uspet that they are educating women or teching something the Islamic terrorist disagree with. So I am making an assumption based on past reports and the general trend. I tend to think of these people as Murderers or Terrorists. In my opinion they do this to make people afraid to speak their minds because they are terrified. See how this works? It seems to me they knew exactly who they were looking for. The reason is unclear. I call it murder/terror because that is what it is. CNN can use any term it wants.

9 Yes JD, I am, and I'd pitch your ass into the gas chamber too. Someone's gotta clean up the garbage in society from time to time.

10 Education is a threat to the ignorant. The 'pond life' that killed the teachers just help to reinforce the fact that free and intelligent thought is the antithesis of islamic doctrine.

11 Howie, I don't see how to square what you say now with what you said initially. You were clearly criticizing CNN"jazeera" for using "gunmen" and suggesting they use murderers or terrorists. But you say yourself you were working on assumptions in calling them terrorists. News organizations aren't supposed to do that. They can't just assume they know something. They have to know it to be true. And yeah, if we KNEW for a fact that these people were selected for death because they were teachers, then it becomes more likely that it was terrorists. But again, it was still (is still!) possible that they were just bandits, who didn't know the occupation of the people they killed. It is possible that they were Shi'ite death squads (otherwise known as the police) who killed them because they were Sunni. If they used "terrorists" without knowing it to be true, they are being bad journalists. Your initial post was critical of CNN, but now you don't care what language they use? It doesn't make sense.

12 I dunno I've seen a lot of teachers mistreated for teaching. I feel they are ignoring a fairly obvious pattern. We often try to categorize as this or that. sunni vs shia vs kurd. When all have their wonn factions that practice terrorism. That's why I say Islamic terror. I'm just doing the opposite of the apologists. They assume it was not I assume (rather safely I think) it was. from the story it seems fairly clear to me that the "murderers" knew who exacly who they were after. Islamic terrorists don't lie. They mean it when they kill teachers. I've posted several stories where it was for certian that it was terrorists. CNN wan't you to prove it is. I want you to prove it's not. Also does it really matter which one it was.?The bandits, insurgents and terrorists all use the smae methods of control. terror. Fair criticism. No offense taken that's what blogs are for. Update : I'll have to update here because the blog is flakey from here tonight. PBS newshour reported that the bus contained both Shia and Sunni teachers. The Shia were separated and murdered. The assumtion is that these were Sunni terrorists/insurgents/gunmen/killers/bastards. Since the Sunnis baathists and al-qaeda in league I think I'm OK.

13 Good points. My only remaining issue is that you are saying that by using "gunmen" they are assuming they are not terrorists. Suppose it turns out that this was Al Qaeda in Iraq, and not bandits out for money. Was the phrase "gunmen" an error that would require retraction? It's just a word broad enough to cover all categories. You can assume that it is terrorists, and if I had to bet on it, I'd be behind you 100%. But CNN is going to have to wait to find out who did it, or at least get a source that suggests what it is. They aren't assuming it is not terrorists or that it is. They are just waiting to be sure. At least, that's how I read it. "Gunmen" isn't liberal media hesitancy or cowardice in the face of terrorism. It's media hesitancy in the face of uncertainty.

14 The four teachers were fingered from the inside, obviously. 'Judas' was amoung the survivors. UP is Kos Clown troll with relentless Hitleristic bombast. UP always flies a 'false flag' -- his stuff looks like dur sturmer.