April 02, 2006

Iran Test Fires High-Speed Torpedo

Fox News was showing video earlier today of the "new" Iranian Hut high-speed torpedo, which travels in excess of 220 miles per hour underwater, and is said to be undetectable by sonar. It seems likely that it could, however, be heard by passive means from some distance underwater.

From Bloomberg:

April 3 (Bloomberg) -- Iran's navy said it successfully test-fired its fastest torpedo capable of reaching a maximum speed of 360 kilometers (223 miles) an hour, the official Islamic Republic News Agency said.
Coincidentally, in the 90s the Russians deployed a high-speed torpedo, developed years earlier by the Soviet Union, called the Shkval (Squall) that is capable of speeds up to 230 miles per hour. It achieves this velocity by deliberately cavitating the water around the torpedo to reduce friction.

Neither the Hut, nor the Shval offers protection against incoming B-1 bombers, something that Iran might want to take into consideration.

Also posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto and Vince Aut Morire.

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1 "Fox News was showing video earlier today of the "new" Iranian Hut high-speed torpedo, which travels in excess of 220 miles per hour underwater, and is said to be undetectable by sonar. It seems likely that it could, however, be heard by passive means from some distance underwater." I bet this sucker makes all sorts of noise. The problem is that if you happen to be in front of it (ie the target) you won't hear it as it travels faster than sound travels in water. So you won't be able to hear it unless you are not the intended target. Firing this thing and being able to hit something with it are two completely different problems.

Posted by: Fred Fry at April 03, 2006 05:29 AM (JXdhy)

2 When we go to war against Iran, this thing will probably take out one or two ships, maybe even an aircraft carrier, but they will lose their country. Muslims are animals and we should kill them all.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 03, 2006 05:57 AM (0yYS2)

3 Assuming the Hut's a direct derivative of the Shkval, it's range is very short (7 km), which means that the large vessel carrying it (because the missile's 26 ft long) will have to get in very close to use it. A Harpoon missile has a range of almost 100 km. The Iranian ship would have been taken out long before it had a chance to get a shot off. They may instead use it against commercial ships in the Straits of Hormuz until the US forces put an end to it.

Posted by: Graeme at April 03, 2006 06:25 AM (o1ojb)

4 Ok. SO they have super speedy torpedos, and the multiple-warhead radar-evading missile. Quite the blustering intimidation factor for a country that can't make their own nukes without Russian, Pakistani and North Korean help. Wake me when they've got their own Zionist death ray.

Posted by: AbbaGav at April 03, 2006 06:32 AM (5XR09)

5 All the more reason to GIVE them some nuclear technology, say, in the form of items like n-jdams, at least twenty, at key sites all over Iran. Hey, is that mushrooms I smell?

Posted by: n.a. palm at April 03, 2006 07:03 AM (nwcKF)

6 Graeme, Russia sold China about 50 of these missle/torpedos in the mid-1990's and I'm wondering if maybe the Chinese gave this technology to Iran, or if Russia did. It had to be one of the two. My theory is that Iran might place these missles on civilian maritime vessels, and try to use them as a first strike against our aircraft carriers. I don't think they can get a military vessel close enough to our carriers to hit them. Just one avenue of attack, perhaps high speed military craft might be used in a night attack. I wouldn't underestimate the craftiness of these guys, that's for sure.

Posted by: jesusland joe at April 03, 2006 07:43 AM (rUyw4)

7 The way I see it is that if the thing is any good, we would already have a better version of it and have a way to take them out before they were able to get close enough to do any damage. Every time we have to take one of these chumps out, we learn of some new military technology that we've developed and had operational for a while. By the time we take out Iran, we'll have some kind of missle that will knock on the door of their huts and take a DNA sample before determining if that particular hut is a prime target.

Posted by: slug at April 03, 2006 07:55 AM (wcNc2)

8 Hey Fred Fry, Sound travels about 4 times faster in water than it does in the air. Assuming the 7km (~4mi) range to be accurate... With their torpedo, the 3355mph soundwave would be heard by those within range, in ~4 seconds. Which if my guesstimate is close, is 12 seconds shorter than it would take the Iranian's new toy to get up to speed anyway.

Posted by: me at April 03, 2006 11:41 AM (/l2PJ)

9 They use it once, they lose their navy, most likely their air force as well. Which means the calculation they have to make is, will it be worth the loss of their air and sea forces in order to be able to destroy whatever it is they're aiming (carrier? submarine? American-flagged merchant vessel?) when they shoot the One and Only. I think that's the case with any attack by any system of theirs on our forces. Things are on a hair trigger now, and one side is lead by a man who thinks world leaders don't blink when he is speaking, and is preparing the way for the return of an 800 year old man who has been hiding in a well since the 12th century.

Posted by: Mike James at April 03, 2006 01:37 PM (BJYNn)

10 So once again, the unevolved savages come out to throw rocks at their betters. We should exterminate them like the vermin they are.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 03, 2006 10:57 PM (0yYS2)

11 DonÂ’t know what you guys are talking about but if they can field a few hundred of those speed boats w/ torpedoes they may do some damage. Our ships are good but as the ant said to the elephant hold on my 3million relatives would like to play.

Posted by: john at April 04, 2006 12:59 PM (koOZj)

12 john, I believe that each torpedo is 26 feet long (as Graeme noted above) and they require a specialized tube for firing. That most likely puts it outside of the capabilities of a "speedboat".

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at April 04, 2006 01:36 PM (RHG+K)

13 i don't mean a small miami vice boat but somthing like a 60' fast patrol boat.thats what it looked like on cnn

Posted by: john at April 04, 2006 01:57 PM (koOZj)

14 John, do you mean the type of fast patrol boat that destroyers and aircraft would target and swat like flies within minutes of leaving port?

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 04, 2006 08:29 PM (0yYS2)

15 The gulf is a small area, by the time we know were under attack it could be to late. DonÂ’t forget they are not as stupid as saddam was. I bet there ports have anti ship missile batteries protecting them. They had an exercise a few years ago call millennium. Where they pulled a retired general out to be the opforce . And he pulled just that kind of attack and he kicked there butts with 16 ship kills. Naturally they stopped the game and sent the old guy home. Then set the rules so they would win

Posted by: john at April 05, 2006 05:27 AM (5zbYP)

16 We are living at an important time. Atheism, which people have tried for hundreds of years to portray as “the way of reason and science,” is proving to be mere irrationality and ignorance. Materialist philosophy that sought to use science for its own ends has been in turn defeated by science. A world rescuing itself from atheism will turn to God and religion. And this process has begun long ago. It is clear that believers have important duties in this period. They must be aware of this major change in the world’s way of thinking, interpret it, make good use of the opportunities that globalization offers and effectively represent the truth along this road. They must know that the basic conflict of ideas in the world is between atheism and faith. It is not a struggle between East and West; in both East and West there are those who believe in God and those who do not. For this reason, faithful Christians, as well as faithful Jews are allies of Muslims. The main divergence is not between Muslims and the "People of the Book" (Jews and Christians), but between Muslims and the People of the Book on the one hand, and atheists and pagans on the other. Of course, we must not show hostility to such people but view them as people who need to be rescued from their error.

Posted by: TO pagant I.M at April 06, 2006 10:31 AM (zqsRN)

17 Those boats wouldn't even get out of the ports before our radar and jets rip them to shreds ha ha ha ha ha ha the torpedos would just add to the fireworks.

Posted by: Tom at April 06, 2006 07:18 PM (CGl+5)

18 i hope you guys are right about them. they seem a little to willing too die

Posted by: john at April 07, 2006 02:07 PM (x+DJD)

19 Odds are the speedy torps are useless against military type vessels. What about vs civvy ships.. like.. oil tankers? Take out two or three of those and what happens to our economy? Can these torps be mounted on supertankers filled with oil.. heading to Russia.. or.. China? How will they react if we take out these full tankers. The situation there is far more complex than most realize. We could threaten to pull out of the non proliferation treaty.. and threaten to ship nukes and tech to countries hostile to China and Russia.. and Iran. this has it's own dangers.. but.. the game Iran is playing is no less dangerous. If China and Russia come aboard and take a stronger stance against Iran's erichment program.. it would be more likely Iran would seek to halt.. or at least to freeze it's capabilities. Sometimes the only way to win is not to play.

Posted by: Dave at April 12, 2006 11:29 PM (/gJOn)

20 The problem will not be the torpedos, but the hundreds of "SUNBURN" anti ship missiles thatIRAN has aquired from Russia. They are land, air, or ship launched, travey at twice the speed of sound, hug the water and perform violent side to side manevours en routhe to the biggest ship in the group,,, (they seek the biggest one activly) i.e. the carrier. These are undoubtedly (hundreds of them) in the mountains on the north shore of the gulf, and be sure lots in the Hormuze area. The Phalanx machine gun defence can NOT even get a fix on them before they HIT. IRAN will not do a a 1 or 2 launch, they will launch a whole lot of these things, and several at tankers crossing Hormuz. Sink a few there and it's "closed", then no one is able to get IN OR unfortunatly no one out either. ANY US navy vessle in the gulf will be SUNK, and any tanker trying to get out too... ALSO where do you think supplies for 130000 US troops come in to IRAQ, Answer, through HORMUZ, if HORMUZ is closed, soon Bushie will have to supply 130000 troops by air as they are surrounded by "insurgents" I sincerly hope sane minds prevail, otherwise I fear there will be lots of US boy's blood in the gulf. NOTE the gulf is small, shallow and very clear water. There are almost NO places that a sub can get deep enough to avoid easy detection from air. Recipe for a disaster greater than Pearl Harbour and the Twin towers combined times 10...

Posted by: Patrick at April 21, 2006 07:17 AM (8QuYO)

21 I read a paper detailing such a scenario; however, it doesn't take defensive innovation into consideration. Perhaps that's why there's the new SeaRAM ASMD system. They are drop-in replacements for the Aegis and are designed to detect and successfully intercept even supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles. Last I checked, it had been tested against Sunburns or the equivalent and had won. It can also deal with multiple targets at once. Put a lot of SeaRAMs on the ships of the fleet, and even a hundred Sunburns will have a hard time getting through. As for blocking the strait with sunken ships, could not a sufficiently large missile or bomb set on the blockade help to clear it? I see it as sorta like busting a dam, and the British developed dambusting technology all the way back in World War 2.

Posted by: Charles at June 13, 2006 06:53 AM (rudhd)

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