1 It wouldn't be a total disaster if he won.

2 Rusty, an intelligent informed guy like yourself single issue voting? Personally McCain scares the hell out of me. All kidding aside, I have this gut feeling that the man may be mentally unbalanced.

3 Me too, traderrob. I personally know one of the prisoners who spent 6 years in the Hanoi Hilton with McCain, and McCain has treated this man like a pariah. This one episode tells me all I need to know about this man's character.

4 Other than the fact that he's villified at every turn, what evidence is there that he's either unbalanced or has a lack of character?

5 Unbalanced? not sure, but irony would be the anti-torture bill he introduced to the house, shortly followed by his appearance on "24", a show made famous by plotlines of Government agents really torturing suspects, none of this pansy naked pyramid / panties on the head / barking dog torture -- we're talking knives, electric shocks, soldering iron, type of torture! I wanted Mccain to win over Bush, and was disappointed when he ran out of money, now I'm not so sure that is a bad thing.

6 Rusty, I don't want to reveal this man's identity, but he spent several years(6) as a POW in the Hanoi Hilton, knew John McCain very well as you might well imagine given their shared horrors, but has been treated shabbily by McCain. McCain has refused to meet him on numerous occasions, refused to help him when he ran for political office in another state as a Republican, and has generally disrespected this man who I believe to be a hero. I guess it's just a personal thing with me, but this episode has poisoned me against McCain.

7 Rusty...Please follow this url. They have up a huge piece on Sen. McCain. Personaaly I think he and my Sen. Rino Hagel were seperated at birth. http://www.rightwingnews.com/

8 I guess if it comes down to Hillary or McCain then, for me, it's a no brainer. But I'll still be holding my nose as I cast my vote.

9 Yesterday, Senator Russell Feingold (D-WI) introduced a Motion of Censure on the floor of the US Senate, to formally take Our Commander in Cheat to task for violating the Constitution and the law in his illegal domestic wiretapping program. Astonishingly enough, the main response from the Republican leadership (specifically, Dr. Bill "I've seen the videotape and in my medical opinion she's conscious" Frist) was they they couldn't support the motion on the grounds that -- and this is a direct quote -- "it would send the wrong signal around the world." This is the man, by the way, who wants to be the next Republican President of the United States. (READ MORE HERE: http://mattstover.blogspot.com/2006/03/so.html) None of these idiots seems to comprehend that invading a nation which has not attacked us, killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians (the current best estimate, which our Pentagon continues to suppress, is 25-30,000 Iraqi civilians died in the actual fighting, and the bump in overall death rate from all factors, comparing pre- and post-invasion, suggests that the invasion of Iraq was responsible, by the end of 2004, for 130,000 Iraqi civilian deaths. And we wonder why they hate us . . .), kidnapping innocent citizens of friendly nations and shipping them off without trial or even the faintest shred of evidentiary review to be tortured -- not to mention maintaining our own officially-sanctioned torture chambers in Cuba, Iraq and Afghanistan, and having an executive banch of government (Constitutionally charged with enforcing the our nation's laws) openly declaring that our nation's law does not apply to them . . . I mean, how much more wrong can our fucking signals get? Ahhh, anyway. Anyone still wondering about the actual legality of the domestic wiretap program might want to check out the details here: www.nybooks.com/articles/18650

10 barking moonbat alert!

11 Rusty It's a wee bit too early - but generally I agree. I can support McCain without too much of a problem (Rudy fans! As a NY'er, he's a problem!). The MSM, Dems, and libs have a tendency and technique to "project" their beliefs and positions on others - then turn around and say - "See! even they agree with us! - so we must be right!". They do this with McCain - they do it with Powell etc. When the above attempt to correct or challenge it - it goes unreported - when their positions clearly don't match theirs - it goes under-reported. Its like a sales technique popular with used car salemen. McCain's a politician - he knows this - and often uses it to his advantage to "be out there" - its free PR. How he uses it and deals with it is an art - which he is only marginally good at based upon the reactions he get amongst Conservatives and other Republicans. Only time will tell - but rest assured - if he is the nomination in '08 - they will vilify him as a right-wing war-mongering gay/black hating woman-abusing reactionary who hates poor people and children (and puppies too).

12 McCain's been sitting on the fence so long he has developed crotch rot! I can't tell who's side he is on. An opportunist, he is on whatever side is in favor at the time.

13 EEEK! I don't want to settle for "not as liberal as you think". I want Ronald Reagan! I want General Patton! I want Don frackin' Rumsfeld! /seriously dislike McCain

14 Listen, I've been through 9 general elections now and each time a new one comes up I tell myself, "I'll never make it throught this one." But I do. And I'll get through this one too, without the heart attack I predicted I'd suffer from each time since 1972. What I've learned though is not to get all worked up too soon saving my energy for the final stretch. And this is too soon. So ya'll argue away. I'll watch. But the gloves are off beginning early in 2008.

15 Rusty: "villified at every turn" The man is absolutely adored by the press. Chrissy Mathews is positively orgasmic whenever he has him on. If Bush got half the press that McCain gets his approval would be at 60%. As I said the unbalanced thing is just a "gut feel" kinda thing. He has this weird look in his eyes I just can't put my finger on it. I've read several places that he is volatile and has a nasty temper but that wouldn't preclude him from anything in and of itself.

16 I mean he's villified by the Right--Limbaugh, etc. As far as I can tell he's much more conservative than Bush. I'm sorry, Bush is not a Conservative. McCain is a guy who once proposed aboloshing the Dept. of Education. His only big mistake seemed to be that stupid censorship bill of his.

17 Rusty Both are conservatives - different kinds - different degrees on various issues - but both conservatives (we all seem to have a problem recognizing the differences amongst ourselves too). Limbaugh (The Great) does not villify McCain - he mocks him. He does so because of McCain's active acceptance of the "projections" of the MSM upon him - and the gadfly role McCain clearly enjoys. I know - it's annoying - irks me too - but that's McCain's way of 'playing the game of politics" and keeping himself out front as an alternative to all on both sides.

18 He has more than a few black marks. The BCRA is a disaster and the torture ammendment is an undue restriction we really don't need right now. His spearheading the "Gang of 14" kneecapped two well qualified conservative judges (Henry Saad and Brett Kavanaugh) and his co-sponsorship of the McCain-Kennedy (Immigration) act illustrates anything but conservatism. The press loves him and for me that's the biggest red flag of all. It may all be academic anyway because I don't believe he can win the primaries. He certainly doesn't top my wish list, but bottom line I would vote for him over any Democrat he would potentially face.

19 Well, if the only choice in 2008 is the devil or the witch, I'll take the witch McCain over the devil Billary anytime. But I won't like it!

20 Filthy will be upset with us but I like him and will most likely vote for him unless a big ? changes my mind.

21 Come see why McCain is the man in 2008. http://blogsformccain.blogspot.com

22 If the choice were to be between Hillary or McCain, I'd swallow hard and vote for McCain. Here's the rub. I don't mean going back to the fallout over the DIDMCA of 1983. I have the creepy feeling that this guy associates with some pretty heavy hitters in select industries, building up chits to carry into campaign financing. The kind of industries where there are hundreds, if not thousands, of upper and medium level managers that can be induced to contribute to a political campaign based upon trying to please the corporate leaders of these industries through their contributions. Imagine the Savings and Loan industry. Being well connected in the industry means that one or two letters from top corporate officers could induce political contributions in the hundreds of thousands. How many S & L's are there? How many branch managers contributing $100.00 or $250.00 per person would it take to raise a million bucks? Do you even have an estimate of how many savings and loan, credit union, thrift offices there are in your state? Take a look at how McCain is leveraging between requirements by television and radio stations to give free advertising time to federal candidates--and his efforts to decrease the role of local ownership for radio and television stations, increasing the number of stations that can be owned by companies like Clear Channel. How many newspapers would love to own all the papers AND all the radio and television stations in their market? Don't think it's possible for a newspaper to own all the TV and radio stations in a market? Take a look at proposed McCain legislation on broadcast ownership. How can McCain be viewed as a populist when he works against the best interests of small mom & pop operators whose voices are those few remaining of the non-corporate, local community? McCain isn't just a Republican that talks about the Contract with America. He's also advancing his and his friends' commercial agendas. It might not be your agenda for commerce in the future. Your call.

23 Ha Ha Ha McCain starts to get a real look at by conservatives - and someone already is out there dusting off the Dem attack play book. S&L references? Oh I do remember! All those poor Democrats and MSM frantically scrambling to come up with a name (any Republican name) to take some of the heat off them at the time - and failing lamely with McCain.

24 Yer right, of course. It's the D's...like this link http://www.redstate.com/print/2006/3/15/181054/915 What makes a RINO a RINO?

25 McCain is a political chameleon who will betray whomever it is in his interest to betray, and to me would only be acceptable as an alternative to Hitlery, but not by much.

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