The time has come for the U.S. government to step up to the plate and start treating civillian hostages held in a war-zone as something that matters.
What are your thoughts? What could the U.S. government be doing differently in trying to rescue the forgotten hostages in Ira?
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Issue GPS tracking devices to civilians in danger of being kidnapped.
Maybe a decoy with an implanted GPS will be successful to track those bastards down.
Posted by: Werner at May 03, 2005 09:42 AM (VaX3M)
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Excellnet post.
I would say the firts thing that the US could do is strat treating Iraki POW's with a bit better respeck that way when there own get captured they can be sure that US POWs will be treated with respeck too.
Wasn't that what geneva convetion meant all to be bout?
Posted by: republican at May 03, 2005 09:51 AM (Bpvcg)
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repulikan, wtf? I was actually writing a response when I realized I'd need a coloring book to my points understandable to you.
Rusty, the State Department should continue in it's policy of not negotiating with terrorists.
However, it strikes me as very wrong just to leave it at that. I like the GPS idea. For crying out loud, my mother-in-law's Camry tells here where on my street my house is.
I also like the idea of ruthless manhunts of any insurgents performing abudctions.
Posted by: Gordon at May 03, 2005 10:04 AM (SN0Ew)
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Given the behavior of the enemy and their cowardly use of non-combatants, I think it's questionable policy to allow noncoms into the country at all until the problem of terrorism in Iraq is resolved. While I appreciate the administration's committment to compassion and evenhandedness in Iraq policy, it's cost many lives and hindered the military's effectiveness.
My proposal? Get the non-coms out, issue curfews and travel restrictions while conducting searches and securing the borders, use FDR's works programs to mobilize Iraqis to accomplish these things, and stop pretending like this is WWII Germany.
Posted by: tee bee at May 03, 2005 10:08 AM (q1JHF)
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How about this:
Dodge citizens listen up!
____________________
WANTED DEAD OR LIVE
HOSTAGE TAKERS
$$$HUGE REWARD$$$$
____________________
Any tips to the whereabouts of terrorist kidnappers will be greatly rewarded
worked with Udai and Qusai..
Posted by: IM at May 03, 2005 10:35 AM (a9tRx)
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Tracking devices are a great idea pity our goverments didnt think of this.
Makes you wonder how clever some of the people running our countries really are! Seems to me that when it comes to Soldiers fighting for their country they can never seem to find the cash to keep them safe yet when they are promoting themselves or having meetings there seems to be and endless flow of cash. Just an observation.
Republican
Geneva Convention, it can only work when both parties agree to have "war by Rules" and the terrorists only go by their own rules so the Geneva Convention doesnt seem to apply to them!
Posted by: sparky at May 03, 2005 10:56 AM (F1nba)
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The sad thing is that history shows us that the only way to respond is through direct action. There is a lot going on in the background that only a few know about. It is all an intel operation. We have to rely on a lucky break or damn good ground work to find this stuff. Remember, people are kidnapped in the US and the FBI can never find them.
The last thing we should do is to show any weakness or any willingness to buy/negotiate with the kidnappers. That just increases the value of every head out there. Simple economics. South American is a nighmare WRT kidnapping because the habit there is to pay them off.
The only way to deal with kidnappers is to find them and kill them-the more public the better. In Phibians world we would then wrap their bodies in pig skin and bury them with a dog....but that is just me.
Posted by: CDR Salamander at May 03, 2005 11:07 AM (PJ4Iq)
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HUH?
What makes the author, or anyone else think even for one moment it can be controlled. The army can't even control one 6 mile stretch of road from Baghdad to its airport. No one can say when or where a person will be kidnapped, so what good is planting a gps locator on them. Maybe we should make small ones and stick them up peoples buttholes.
Besides, our troops aren't adequately protected to make such an endevour, not to mention the fact it will take a draft to completely erradicate these kidnappers. HELLO?!
As a side bar, here's a link to a site called Operation Truth. Last Thursday, the senate voted on releasing emergency funding ($213 million) for up-armouring Humvees, as well as other items.
There were 39 Nays. Of the 39, 38 were Republicans including Frist, Dole, Hatch. If this is what these jerks call supporting the troops, I would rather see them get sent to Iraq and made to stand guard duty on airport road in Baghdad. Maybe the insurgents will get rid of them for us.
Posted by: David Eccles at May 03, 2005 11:19 AM (UCtX/)
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Link - http://www.optruth.org/main.cfm?actionId=blogShowExcerpts&blogId=14&entryID=498
Posted by: David Eccles at May 03, 2005 11:20 AM (UCtX/)
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send in the 101'st keyboard brigade?
Posted by: actus at May 03, 2005 11:46 AM (CqheE)
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David, your post demonstrates what I said - I don't see this as a matter addressed simply by throwing money or troops at it. Which isn't the same as saying, "Run away!" Salamander's point that there is covert effort is valid, but it will have limited impact if we don't reduce the number of targets - noncoms and high-profile civilians - and put serious manpower into stopping terrorist planning and preparation.
IM brings up the success of rewards, but that can't be replicated very well without falling into the trap Gordon notes of it becoming an unseemly business venture rather than an aspect of law enforcement. Concerted and visible manpower exerting control over the population will make an impact and help isolate terrorists so they can be impeded and caught. And it will put the Iraqis in charge of change in Iraq.
Posted by: tee bee at May 03, 2005 12:12 PM (q1JHF)
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I like the GPS idea. For crying out loud, my mother-in-law's Camry tells here where on my street my house is.
I keep seeing these ideas for tracking devices. Tracking devices on sex offenders. Tracking devices on potential hostages. It makes me wonder what people think a GPS device does.
People are talking about tracking devices as if your mother-in law's Camry would tell you where she is. It doesn't. A GPS device issued to a sex offender or a potential hostage might tell the sex offender or the hostage where they are, but it doesn't help law enforcement find them.
Posted by: Anachronda at May 03, 2005 12:35 PM (qmJpf)
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One more thing. If Martha Stewart leaves her home, the ankle bracelet doesn't help the cops find her. What happens is that if the ankle bracelet gets too far from a device attached to her phone, the phone dials the cops to let her know she's out of range. But it doesn't let them track her. It just lets them know she's violated the terms of her confinement.
Posted by: Anachronda at May 03, 2005 12:39 PM (IrbU4)
Posted by: Anachronda at May 03, 2005 12:44 PM (NmR1a)
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The only thing these beasts understand is Blood.
Find their relatives in their home countries. Kidnap them. Saw their heads off on Video. Display them in public.
Russians did that with much success in Chechnya.
The beasts do not abide by any convention so it does not matter much how you treat your POWS because they will still saw your head off. TO recap-
Track down the terrorists family in their home countries(not so hard). Kill them. Kids, mothers, fathers, uncles, grandmothers, fav. uncles..the whole f-ing lot of them. You are not going to beat them by giving them steak and hot showers.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at May 03, 2005 12:50 PM (yBHNA)
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Actus: That was freaking hillarious.
Posted by: Howie at May 03, 2005 12:56 PM (D3+20)
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I agree Filthy. There ain't no way that the Beastie is gunna fight all proper and shit. We's gotsta git down wit da boogie man and scrap like we just one generation outta da trees and shit.
Posted by: Harold T. Fancypants at May 03, 2005 01:44 PM (yBHNA)
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"Track down the terrorists family in their home countries(not so hard). Kill them. Kids, mothers, fathers, uncles, grandmothers, fav. uncles..the whole f-ing lot of them. "-Filthy
That's right you Nazi pigs, show your true colors. No more of this "compassionate fascism", let's out Hitler, Hitler./sarcasm
Posted by: greg at May 03, 2005 01:46 PM (/+dAV)
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It is what they will do to you and your family Mr. Hitler
Posted by: Filthy Allah at May 03, 2005 01:49 PM (yBHNA)
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Greg is a pussy. And Hitler.
Posted by: Earl Dittman at May 03, 2005 01:50 PM (yBHNA)
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Sheeet. Seem like Greg wantsta Huuug da brown man and understand his pain. Fuck dat shit. YOu don't say Puhlease in da Hood Booooy! You smack that shit upside der head right in his hizzzaaaaay.
Go after da fambly man! That will fuck there shit up!
Posted by: Harold T. Fancypants at May 03, 2005 01:53 PM (yBHNA)
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While Greg is busy knitting quilts and baking crispy treats for the the terrorists, Harold T. Fancypants is advocating putting the smack down on these beasts.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at May 03, 2005 01:55 PM (yBHNA)
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Earl claims his bung hole is a pussy and Filthy believes him.
And the rest of you are a bunch of NAZIs!
Posted by: greg at May 03, 2005 02:01 PM (/+dAV)
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Sounds funny coming from you Mr. Hitler.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at May 03, 2005 02:04 PM (yBHNA)
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What you Nazi Hitler worshippers need is an automated annihilation device.
Maybe you can dust off some of Hitler's old notebooks and build some gas chambers.
Filthy Nazis!
Posted by: greg at May 03, 2005 02:10 PM (/+dAV)
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The only time we should go after the family is when we “suspect “ that terrorism is a family business with them. Otherwise we are no better than the freaking terrorist we hate.
Now what we could do is for all the P.O.W.s in prison over there, we can find 5 or 6 that we are 90% sure they are guilty as sin, drug their ass, surgically plant a GPS on them and set them free. When they go running to terrorist buddies, have a missile with the that frequency tuned in let loose and clean up the mess afterwards.
Posted by: Butch at May 03, 2005 02:10 PM (Gqhi9)
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I think Dittman and Fancypants need to hook up.
Posted by: greg at May 03, 2005 02:12 PM (/+dAV)
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Is pretty funny hearing greg call everyone Nazis since, he is Hitler.
Posted by: Ob Snooks at May 03, 2005 02:12 PM (yBHNA)
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They need to hook up and beat your Hitler ass.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at May 03, 2005 02:13 PM (yBHNA)
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Yall aint gunna beats em if yall aint gunna git dirtaaaay. Greg, yous a simple little man aint you.
Posted by: Harold T. Fancypants at May 03, 2005 02:15 PM (yBHNA)
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The day a Texan can't whoop up on 2 Yankee fags and a Yankee goat herder is the day I hang it up.
Posted by: greg at May 03, 2005 02:17 PM (/+dAV)
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Greg, you aint nuthin but a bitch. You ain't beatin nuthin but your kids.
Posted by: Harold T. Fancypants at May 03, 2005 02:22 PM (yBHNA)
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Greg... sorry, I mean Hitler... I thought you were a doctor in California
Posted by: Ob Snooks at May 03, 2005 02:23 PM (yBHNA)
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Filty: You're right The only thing these beasts understand is Blood. So killing of their relatives would accomplish absolutely nothing except give you the satisfaction of revenge and create more outrage and lust for revange among their own, that's exactly what they want..
Tee bee: Good point the Iraqis need to take matters into their own hands, otherwise they forget about any kind of progress.
Maybe Bounthunters aren't such a great idea, but paying of Iraqis for genuine tips I think could work.
Impose Curfew? Huge country with 25 million people in it, it wouldn't be easy.
Posted by: IM at May 03, 2005 02:25 PM (a9tRx)
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The GPS idea would work. A fellow demonstrated, to my team, how his cell phone could be used to locate within 50 feet where he was located. You can create a 'fence' that outlines a virtual barrier that, when crossed, sends an alert to someone. like, could create a fence around your usual routes to the office and back, and shopping. we were thinking of using it to track Alzheimer's patients, but there is no reason not to use it for people at risk of hostage taking in Iraq or anywhere. I am in fact puzzled that this is not done
Posted by: netsailer at May 03, 2005 02:32 PM (jRGqK)
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No, that is not what they want. They are counting on our troops not fighting dirty. THey have no problems killing civis. Kidnap their familys and say, "hey there mr. terrorist Give up and you can have your kid in one piece"
Odds are, the bugger will think twice.
greg can bleat like the ruptured commie goat that he is.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at May 03, 2005 02:33 PM (yBHNA)
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I thought you were a doctor in California
TEXAS Ph.D., Molecular Biology/Neuroscience
Posted by: greg at May 03, 2005 02:34 PM (/+dAV)
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Greg
does that mean your brainy
Posted by: sparky at May 03, 2005 02:43 PM (F1nba)
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I thought Hitler's name was William J.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at May 03, 2005 02:46 PM (yBHNA)
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No. I just busted my ass for 7 years.
If you're looking for brainy I recommend Filthy Allah. He's got to be a genius, I can't understand a thing he says.
Posted by: greg at May 03, 2005 02:46 PM (/+dAV)
Posted by: sparky at May 03, 2005 02:50 PM (F1nba)
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All those years of school and never one class in critical thinking or logic. I don't believe it.
Posted by: Defense Guy at May 03, 2005 03:11 PM (jPCiN)
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I guess bigots come in all sizes, forms and brains!
Posted by: IM at May 03, 2005 03:23 PM (a9tRx)
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"All those years of school and never one class in critical thinking or logic."-DG
My dissertation was published in "The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, USA. Fewer than 1% of American Ph.D.s can make that claim. Those of us who can have learned to think outside "the box".
Posted by: greg at May 03, 2005 03:26 PM (/+dAV)
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Greg, I mean Hitler... Don't make it too easy for the Nazis to find you.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at May 03, 2005 03:28 PM (yBHNA)
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Outside the box and right over the edge of the cliff, if the sources you post here are any indication.
Posted by: Defense Guy at May 03, 2005 03:28 PM (jPCiN)
Posted by: Ob snooks at May 03, 2005 03:29 PM (yBHNA)
Posted by: greg at May 03, 2005 03:31 PM (/+dAV)
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Greg, how stupid can you be. You don't give out info like that. Do you realize that you are dealing with the likes of Filthy, FancyPants, Snooks & Dittman?
Odds are you will start receiving amputee porn at work soon.
Posted by: Earl Dittman at May 03, 2005 03:36 PM (yBHNA)
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pnas@nas.edu has all that smart boy stuff.
Will e-mail them to see if Hitler has submitted anything. Shouldn't be too many Hitlers in the book.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at May 03, 2005 03:40 PM (yBHNA)
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Werner, you stole my idea!
Posted by: Oyster at May 03, 2005 03:42 PM (fl6E1)
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You won't find any Hitler there, look for a Dr Mengele.
Posted by: IM at May 03, 2005 03:50 PM (a9tRx)
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I didn't know there was a box. Did I miss another meeting?
Posted by: Mitch at May 03, 2005 11:28 PM (7cBvb)
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"
repulikan, wtf? I was actually writing a response when I realized I'd need a coloring book to my points understandable to you. -- Gordon"
What made you hold back Gord? Sure is khaki round here, but of colouring in might be just what this page needs (specially since Rusty's thoughts turned all black 'n white).
As said previous, fair POW treatment = fair POW treatment. And it's way cheaper then GPS.
Posted by: republican at May 04, 2005 04:59 AM (OpqZX)
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You are smoking crack. Any Pow taken by the enemy is as good as dead.
Just how stupid are you? Any soldiers taken on the field of battle who are in uniform are treated well. 3 hots and a cot. So some bubbas got jiggy with some prisoners, none of which were regular Iraqi army by the way. Those bubbas are all off to Jail.
Terrorists taken are not entitled any fair treatment.
Posted by: Filthy allah at May 04, 2005 07:55 AM (yBHNA)
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"Terrorists taken are not entitled any fair treatment."
Just humane treatment.
Posted by: actus at May 04, 2005 08:20 AM (0HUw1)
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Bullshit. They should get regular beatings and their lives should be made miserable. They are nothing. They are filth. They are not human.
You can go hug one Actus and see what you get for your troubles.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at May 04, 2005 08:36 AM (yBHNA)
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"They are not human."-Filthy
You offend God. These are his children and he loves them well.
Posted by: greg at May 04, 2005 08:41 AM (/+dAV)
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What makes if funny is greg talking about God as if he is a believer.
Greg, you are Hitler. Take your Crazy act to Moveon.org.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at May 04, 2005 08:59 AM (yBHNA)
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I do believe and I hope you find the Spirit soon. You need it bad man.
Posted by: greg at May 04, 2005 09:06 AM (/+dAV)
Posted by: Ob snooks at May 04, 2005 09:21 AM (yBHNA)
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"You can go hug one Actus and see what you get for your troubles."
But that would require me leaving my keyboard!
Posted by: actus at May 04, 2005 12:04 PM (CqheE)
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