June 03, 2006

Haditha: The "Massacre" that Didn't Happen?

I read a lot of the Arab, Muslim, and extreme Left press. If I had a dollar for every time they accused American troops of committing "attrocities", "massacres", and "war crimes", then I'd be a very rich man.

How often do these groups make such accusations? Every time a civilian in Iraq is caught in the crossfire and killed. Every. Single. Time.

These groups already know what American troops are reallly like.

The most sympathetic opinion of our troops from these groups is that they are children. They do these bad things not because they are bad people, but because Bush-hitler and co. have put them in a bad situation.

Our childlike troops--who really signed up so they could go to college but were tricked and drafted into fighting a war for Haliburton's gain--snap every time an IED goes off and indiscriminately kill civilians.

The least sympathetic opinion of our troops, especially prevalent among Islamist sources, is that our troops like to kill Arabs. You know, it's just fun.

So, with this view of American troops in mind, every time a civilian gets killed in Iraq, it is our fault. It's not the fault of the terrorists who use mosques as command-and-control centers. It's not the fault of insurgents who--contrary to the Geneva Conventions--try to hide their identities by blending in with the local population. It's not the fault of these minute-men who fire on U.S. troops from the roofs, from the alleys, and from the windows of civilian homes.

No, it's always the fault of the U.S. troops.

So, when I hear that U.S. troops have been cleared in the alleged massacre at Ishaqi, I can't help to think about Haditha.

What do we really know about Haditha? So far, the allegations seem par for the course. The usual accusations. Civilians were killed and Americans must have massacred them.

But word massacre has a distinct connatation. It implies that American troops intentionally killed civilians. That civilians were rounded up and shot, or that our Marines went room to room methodically murdering children.

What we know is only that civilians were killed. What we know is that Marines originally reported that they were killed by a roadside bomb, but that those Marines later reported that they were killed in crossfire.

This is the major cover-up of a massacre that I've been hearing about?

We have dead bodies. The dead bodies reveal that the civilians were shot. But, isn't that what we've already known for some time now? That civilians were shot?

The only questions that remain, then, are two-fold. First, what were the Marines motives? That is, did they intentionally kill these civilians, or were they shot accidentally? Either in cross-fire, or because the Marines were careless.

If the former, then we do have a massacre. These civilinas were murdered.

But if the latter, then at worst we have some careless Marines who ought to be jailed for negligient homicide or not following the rules of engagement. Which is equally tragic, but far more mundane explanation than a massacre. It's also far more likely.

The second question is about the alleged "cover-up" and, according to Rep. Murtha, "how high it went." Of course, to the far Left it doesn't really matter how high up it went, because in their minds, it always goes up to the Sec. of Defense or the President of the United States. So, the real motivation here is not to get at the truth, but to score political points.

What we know is that an NCO filed an erroneous field report. There is no evidence--none--that even a single officer knew the report was wrong.

Will it turn out that Haditha was a massacre in its true sense? Did Marines go on a rampage murdering women and children? Maybe. As I've said in the past, if this is the case, I personally volunteer for the firing squad.

But since I've heard these accusations so many times before, let's just say I'm not holding my breath.

Posted by: Rusty at 05:44 PM | Comments (22) | Add Comment
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1 Yeah - and one of the surviving kids KNEW the bomb was about to go off as the vehicle approached so she covered her ears. How did she KNOW that the bomb was going off unless the people in the house had something to do with it? At the very least, they knew and didn't warn the troops approaching the danger. See http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/6/3/111600.shtml

Posted by: Ansar al-Kufir at June 03, 2006 06:56 PM (y+iMZ)

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Posted by: hondo at June 03, 2006 08:44 PM (el7nZ)

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Posted by: hondo at June 03, 2006 08:44 PM (el7nZ)

4 Hehehe, I was in Madison today near the capital. Twice I had to put up with some young ignorant leftoid asking me if I heard about Haditha. Both times I just bit tongue and ignored the goomers. What does patchouli do to one's mind?

Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at June 03, 2006 09:49 PM (2PH+h)

5 What happened to Vinnie's post?

Posted by: Darth Vag at June 03, 2006 10:24 PM (+nlyI)

6 So should we be asking that the money paid out in compensation for the deaths be given back ?

Posted by: john ryan at June 03, 2006 10:39 PM (TcoRJ)

7 Watch one of the shows about Black Hawk Down. The guys who were there talk about fire fights with guys hiding behind willing women and children. If you aide in the action of war it changes the dynamics a bit. If these guys did what is claimed then the Hell with them. But until we get all of the facts they deserve the benifit of the doubt. I hope it is the same as the poor marine who got smeared and cleared last year. We have to give our people that much. And to those who are taking advantage of this for political gain, I have to go with Dick Cheney's response of "Go F**k Yourself."

Posted by: bags75 at June 03, 2006 11:02 PM (cQBzh)

8 What happened to 'innocent until proven guilty'? I guess that only counts if you are a democratic president that lies under oath (the legal term is perjury). Then it becomes innocent even when proven guilty. I think it is a shame that these lefties could care less about the truth if it hurts their cause. - Here is some truth. - Haditha is a hotbed of terrorism. Terrorists don't care who they kill if it advances their agenda. Terrorists will lie if it hurts the advancement of a democratic Iraq. None of know what really happened in Haditha and all of us need to wait to see what the investigation shows. Of course the left, who embrace lying if it is their pervert doing it under oath, will acuse the military of lying if the young Marines in question are found innocent. Then they will claim the military is lying and ignore all facts or the truth. Anything to advance the cause of the PROGRESSIVES...

Posted by: prying1 at June 04, 2006 02:04 AM (w3dlk)

9 You are a sick puppy.

Posted by: eward smith at June 04, 2006 07:24 AM (LEdgY)

10 As a side note, I have been assured by my marine friends that the marines routinely violate the RoE in Iraq. Because the rules of engagement are designed by PC idiots who's main goal is to make the US look good in the media, not save soldiers' lives. In the moral calculus the higher-ups make, a dead soldiers is far preferrable to a dead civilian - see Just War Theory, which is taught to our young officers and to a lesser extent all troops. The marine corps knows thats a load of crap, and that one marine is worth an infinite number of Iraqi civilians. And they fight that way, unless the cameras are on them. Given that, I am almost sure that it was "negligence" on their part, IE ignoring the rules of engagement in order to better engage the enemy and to protect themselves. I am also fairly sure that no one will be prosecuted for that, because the Marines are good about keeping their traps shut about this thing. The only reason this got out at all was because some dunderheads didn't get their "official" story strait. This is by no means an indictment on the Marine Corps. They're doing what they should be doing - in spite of the attempts by sundry liberals, who developed Just War Theory, to make sure their lives are worth less than a civilian's. To put it simply, the RoE are a crock of shit, and I'm happy that at least a small portion of the fighting forces there seem to be ignoring the suicidal gibberish contained within it.

Posted by: MiB at June 04, 2006 08:05 AM (RwDCC)

11 Rules are rules. Marines are trained to abide by them. If they don't then the people in charge are supposed to stand up for the men in the field. But all I have read is some jackass captain who was relieved of duty crying about being a scapegoat. Boo hoo. You are the leader and you are responsible regardless of whether you are there or not. This whole thing stinks of Mi Lai. It is time to extract ourselves from the cities and secure the borders and oil facilities. let these stupid animals sort the rest of their lives out on there own. Oh, one more thing put a sniper out there and cap that fat bastard al-Sadr. He makes the whole process a sham.

Posted by: Cmunk at June 04, 2006 09:54 AM (6bcFi)

12 Damn! In middle of my attempted comment I came under computer attack! Crashed my entire system for an hour! Whatever lil' prick has been attacking Jawa - he does have some talent! Rusty! You got to do some serious security upgrades!

Posted by: hondo at June 04, 2006 10:25 AM (el7nZ)

13 I don't believe for a moment that our soldiers killed children at point blank range. That is not what we do.......tho some others do!

Posted by: kathie at June 04, 2006 12:54 PM (16Chv)

14 I find it nearly impossible to sympathise or empathize with the civilians in cases like these. Killing de facto terrorists - and that's what they are when they don't warn our troops of impending IED detonations - just doesn't phase me... for some inexplicable reason. Volunteer for the firning squad? Not me. I would, however, hire any of those men for a personal security detail.

Posted by: Hucbald at June 04, 2006 01:05 PM (Fy/Lo)

15 haditha = jeningrad

Posted by: reliapundit at June 05, 2006 05:08 AM (H4WoR)

16 >>I find it nearly impossible to sympathise or empathize with the civilians in cases like these. That is what makes you a rightie. Your lack of compassion for a fellow human being makes me nauseated.

Posted by: Splatter at June 05, 2006 11:45 AM (heS+8)

17 our citizens like to kill Arabs. We're not there yet, but I can see muslim terrorists goading the people in crossing that Rubicon. One more 9/11 style attack could do it. A nuke in an American city would do it. Is it possible to underestimate the inhumanity of one's enemy? Everytime we think muslims have hit the ultimate low, the true believers (not the f*cking "fringe" or "minority") find a new one. This story has been 1400 years in the making. Is the last chapter (where either the dar al harb or dar al islam is left standing) going to be anything we want to read?

Posted by: MegaTroopX at June 05, 2006 04:01 PM (v5fbO)

18 Lest you think me some apocalyptist, I don't believe this is the last chapter of the human story. I am a bit worried about what the denouement of this particular part of the story could do to the meaning of "human".

Posted by: MegaTroopX at June 05, 2006 04:08 PM (v5fbO)

19 Splatter, go jump. This actions of these particular "civilians" are barely recognizable as within spitting distance of human.

Posted by: MegaTroopX at June 05, 2006 04:14 PM (v5fbO)

20 Check their DNA, they are humans. Just because they arent a fetus doesnt mean they are no longer human. You however, are of a closely related species: Neanderthal, for thinking that those massacred children would cause a 9/11.

Posted by: Splatter at June 05, 2006 06:25 PM (rtnQC)

21 CMUCK: While agreeing with much of what you say. You must understand the reality of the situation. (1) Mi Lai was an Army issue. Do they fight anymore? Or only the Marine Corps. War time changes all the crap you see and hear. Those with the best shoe shine, pressed pants and biggest YES SIR no longer rule the roost. Mother nature brings out the shot callers. In Viet Nam I seen PFC telling Sgts what to do and Sgts telling Officers what to do. Going to college doesn't make for bigger balls. During two tours I first served as an E and secondly as an O. During my first tour I had the displeasure of reminding a young officer that I had been there 10 months and I wasn't willing to die for his stupid decisions. You before me. So be careful. If he didn't like it he could write me up, send me to the brig or send me stateside. None of which would have bothered me at the time. Now I'm the father of a company commander Marine who has served two tours in that stupid country. Thank God he is home (stateside)now. He now wishes to go back with a new company. I have received calls and letters from some of his men that I had previously met while visiting him. Apparently he leads. His Marines were the 1st in Fallujah and several other towns. His concern is the safety of his men and achieveing the goals assigned to him. Protecting the terrorist, their families and supporters in a secondary issue. AS IT SHOULD BE. I also don't believe for one minute that any Marine is out their purposely killing children. Moe like some cowardly muslim holding his kid in one hand and his rifle in the other. What the problem is. Is that the asshole liberals think its okay for Americans to die but not the enemy. What has changed? We could bomb German and Japanese cities and be applauded. Now we kill less of the enemies civilians than they do. And our fighting men have to listen to candy assed punks crying more for the enemy than for American youths. What a bunch of sickos. IF THEY ARE MUSLIM THEY ARE THE ENEMY. If not today, then tomorrow. But the enemy for sure.

Posted by: greyrooster at June 06, 2006 05:56 AM (PV2nq)

22 Splatter, aside from the first sentence, none of that post made sense. And anyway, call me nutty, but there's more to human than DNA.

Posted by: MegaTroopX at June 06, 2006 01:43 PM (v5fbO)

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