1 The same koran, hadith and sira are applied to islam in all it's variations. Wahabbism is a red herring.

2 While all Muslims share the same texts the results are different. Muslims in Togo and Bulgaria do not behave in the same manner as their Saudi brethren. Egypt's Muslims have swung hard from nationalists to Islamists while still having the same texts. The difference came from outside forces that radicalized them.

3 Contrary to what you have stated, Christians and Muslims have not been getting along in the Balkans. Even before the world wars, there was an unrelenting war on the christians. Many left that region to come to the US. The wars on Christians in the middle east is also apparent especially since the late 19th and all of the 20th centuries. The Arabs which settled in the US in that time frame were overwhelmingly Christian. And it still is this way. Muslim immigration only began in the late 60s. The muslim population in this country is maybe only 3 percent, but the Christian majorities of Arabs is well documented and well incorporated into American society. Since the PA took over Bethlehem, a town of nearly 85 percent Christian to Muslim, where tourists could go safely until the Oslo accords....the population of Christians has become a minority. They are persecuted by the Muslims everywhere. It isn't just a wahabbist thing. This has always been the case with Islam.

4 The Balkan Wars before World War I were based on nationalism and not religion. It was not a Christian versus Muslim thing but a Serb versus Croat versus Turk versus whomever. You are right on immigration. I even have a very good friend who is a Catholic Arab. However, while the Ottomans controlled they gave the Lebanese Christians many freedoms (not too many but still better than what Christians face today in the area) and France had oversight authority to on religious matters. The Lebanese and others came over when the Arabs replaced the Turks and Europeans. Arab extremism replaced Turkish moderation. (Note: The Saudi kingdom is the personification of Arab extremism on the matter of religion). The PA also had backing from the Saudis. Wahhabi and Wahhabi-aligned groups continue to feed anti-Jew and anti-Christian propaganda. I am not saying Christians and Muslims got along well everywhere (far from it) but the situation has become extremely worse with the exportation of Islamism.

5 Some may wish to pick individual lice to spare the coiffure. Another method would be to use products such as RID to selectively eliminate most of the vermin (as w/wahabbism) with a broader selective process. A repeat application is almost always necessary. . .but the species can re-attack in the future. Lice has no known value - and as such, qualifies for permanent extinction. In 1400 years, Islam has been as parasitic as lice, providing no value to civilization. Eliminating wahabbism can only be a temporary solution to the permanent problem that is Islam. The next generation of fundamentalist muslim will simply identify the jihad under another pseudonym. The jihad will continue using the same IMMUTABLE texts - identical qur'an, hadith and sira - separating believer from non-believer into Dar ul Harb (house of war) vs. Dar ul Islam (house of Islam). The very same immutable texts used by all the sufis, salafi (salafiyya), wahhabists, kharijites, sunnis, shi'ites, ismailis, zaidis, fatimids, nizaris or nusayris/alawis etc. Taming Islam is a pipe dream.

6 Not even touching part of that argument... What I am merely saying is that Wahhabism has picked a fight with the West. Alawites haven't crashed planes into buildings and Sufis are not chopping off people's heads.

7 "Sufism started out as a Shia movement, but over the past several hundred years, has almost disappeared from Shia Islam, and is now, mainly a Sunni movement. Hanbalis, Shafis, Malikis and Hanafis can all belong to different Sufi "tariqas" or "brotherhoods", as they are called. In fact, the Islamic brotherhood in Egypt, and Al Qaeda, are both Sufi based movements." www.globalsecurity.org/military/intro/islam-sufi.htm About sufi's not chopping off heads - perhaps not western heads . . . however, Sufi's indeed have a history just as bloody as any wahabbist . . . Andrew Bostom, editor of the outstanding new collection "The Legacy of Jihad", explores the jihad wars of the great 'Sufi' Tamerlane at The American Thinker: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4868 "It is true that he slaughtered all his enemies as thoroughly and conscientiously as the great Mongol, and the pyramids of human heads left behind him as a warning example tell their own tale." True too, Alawites have not flown planes into western buildings. Does that make them non-violent? Ask the Sunnis. Keep in mind that Assad rules Syria as a minority Alawite . Sunni Muslims account for about 80% and there was a 5% Christian minority. Assad ruled through terror as most Arab dictators do. His army and numerous secret police sections were staffed at the officer level by Alawites. The population was terrorized on the outside by his large army and on the inside by his terrorist secret police. An honest reflection on the historical effects on civiliaztion shows Islam gains submission through dawa, demographics & dhimmitude all reinforced through terrorism. Islamic doctrine must be completely rejected as it cannot be reformed. Patrick Henry’s “It’s in the Koran” lyrics posted below or with hyperlinks to contextualize some of the real events that inspired them. . .here: http://markhumphrys.com/in.the.koran.html#lyrics In our days of glory Now centuries past The kingdom of Islam Stood mighty and vast Then we failed our faith And watched your power grow But soon our greatness will return And this is how we know .. Because it’s in the Koran It’s written in the Koran A world united under Allah is The future of man How could it not be so When most opposing us panic And surrender once a few of them have bled. We’re happy to torture We’re eager to rape We savor your last screams On videotape We massacre children We ransack a shrine And all our acts are sanctified By Suras 2 through 9 Because it’s in the Koran It’s written in the Koran That we should fight and slay the infidels However we can We’ll blow ourselves to bits If that gives us an advantage Or we’ll slit your throats while you’re asleep in bed. Those heathens who scold us Are wasting their breath Over the millions we’ve butchered And starved We’re men who would let girls Be trampled to death Rather than see them in public Unscarved So don’t look for mercy When you’re at our feet The justice we’ll give you Is harsh and complete We danced in delight When your Twin Towers fell And you’ll weep with your slaughtered As you burn with them in Hell Because it’s in the Koran, It’s written in the Koran Your fate was settled long before This latest battle began We’ve found our holy purpose And we’ll never abandon it As long as there’s a sinner to behead .. In other words we won’t rest Till everyone in the West Is a slave, a Muslim or dead. *** Full audio version of “It’s in the Koran” at this link: http://www.patrickhenrysongs.com/

8 Sufis did have a violent past but so did Calvinist who got their start from the blood-thirsty Jean Calvin. Where are Sufi or Calvinist terrorist? Could it be because they are "tamed"? As for Syria is the violence there driven by religion or nationalism/clanism? The government couldn't care less if one is Christian or Muslim in the country (many Eastern Rite Catholics belong to the Baath party). Syria is an example of a corrupt clan supressing anyone who oppose them religious or not. You claim Islam cannot be reformed. Look at the Ottoman Turks, Sufis, and general progressive Muslims.

9 It all depends on your interpretation of 'moderate'. Your 'moderates' do not challenge Islam's immutable texts. Dawa, dhimmitude & demographics are tools of the global jihad as well (Eurabia is a fine example). "As one Muslim leader told the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Izmir, Turkey, Giuseppe Bernardini: 'Thanks to your democratic laws, we will invade you. Thanks to our religious laws, we will dominate you.' " As long as there is Islam, the threat to civilization (as we know it) exists.

10 I think we should consider ignoring the bigot, herryoyalwhyness. She is comparing people and their spirituality to lice and suggesting extermination. She is seeing things in completely binary terms. In short, she is boring and cruel. Catholicgauze, save your talents for someone who is understanding, complex, tolerant of ambiguity, and most of all, kind. Simplistic world views are the hallmark of what we are talking about: the disgusting self justification for hatred and disgust for other human beings. I suggest you reserve your time for conversing with people who truly converse and share ideas and who are trying to learn something new.