November 06, 2005
French gov't powerless as worsening riots spread from Paris
Paris is Burning (and it's citizenry) Part Trois
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What do decades of idle submission and spineless obiesance under the guise of tolerance reap?
PARIS (AFP) - Gangs of youths again stoned police and set cars ablaze as France's worst rioting in more than a decade raged for its eighth straight night, sparking fears that racial and social divisions were fuelling growing violence.
They have also taken on an increasingly dangerous tone, with buckshot fired at riot squad vans -- and prosecutors revealing that a handicapped woman was deliberately set on fire the night before.
According to prosecutors Friday, the 56-year-old woman was unable to get off a bus targeted by a Molotov cocktail late Wednesday in the northern Paris suburb of Sevran. She was allegedly doused with petrol by one youth, then others threw a flaming rag on her. Rescued by the driver, she was taken to hospital with severe burns to 20 percent of her body.
A fireman was also being treated for burns to his face received from a Molotov cocktail thrown earlier in the week.
And they presume to lecture us.
UPDATE So much for the prevailing narrative of sponateous and uncoordinated acts by poor french youths who just want jobs.
PARIS - Worsening urban unrest reached central Paris for the first time early Sunday and youths set ablaze shops, businesses, schools and nearly 1,300 cars from France's Mediterranean resort towns to the German border.
Police also found a gasoline bomb-making factory in a rundown building in Evry, a southern Paris suburb that contained 150 explosives, more than 100 bottles, gallons of fuel and hoods for hiding rioters' faces, Jean-Marie Huet, a senior Justice Ministry official, said Sunday.
"Rioters attacked us with baseball bats," Philippe Jofres, a deputy fire chief from the area told France-2 television. "We were attacked with pickaxes. It was war."
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They should shoot five one night, ten the next -- then see how many keep turning up night after night.
Nothing takes the fight out of street Jihadi's than a .40 to the Skull, and now is the time to take back the streets, one Jihadi corpse at a time.
Posted by: dave at November 04, 2005 09:43 AM (CcXvt)
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And we have Prince Charley coming over here lecturing us about tolerance. What crap!
Posted by: thirdee at November 04, 2005 10:12 AM (Tg551)
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Britain will have the same thing going on there if the French don't get tough with the rioters. Apparently no one in authority knows how to shoot a firearm. The jihadists have fired several shots at the police and set people on fire, but the politically correct authorities don't have the stomach for a fight. A tipping point will be reached soon, either the French will decide to fight or the Muslims will in effect take over France.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 04, 2005 10:21 AM (rUyw4)
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1. shooting people in the head tends to inflame the communities into more violence, not quell it. This has been evidenced by pretty much every terrorist/freedom fighter conflict in history.
2. Prince Charles has nothing to do with France. Actually I rather expect that all the members of the GB Royal family are having a good giggle at the thought of Paris burning
3. This is not a Jihad. It is a riot. These estates were built specifically to house immigrants, and are squalid, poorly maintained, and deliberately ostracised from the rest of French society. Unemployemnet there is near enough 100%. The French Government has deliberately stopped Muslims, or any other religious group, from integrating into the state systems. The UK went through the same thing in the late 70's/early 80's (Brixton, St Pauls riots), the USA did it in the 90's (the LA riots), and France will have to sort themselves out now.
To compare this to the "Islamofascism" of Al Quida etc is completely wrong.
Posted by: Mrs Aginoth at November 04, 2005 10:34 AM (cZrVc)
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Three cheers for multi-culturalism!
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 04, 2005 10:34 AM (8e/V4)
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"To compare this to the Islamofascism of al Qaida is wrong."
"Riots" are uncoordinated and spontanious by definition
I direct Ms. A to this report:
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm
Posted by: traderrob at November 04, 2005 10:48 AM (3al54)
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just a riot?:
PARIS, Sept 27 (AFP) - An Algerian Islamist organisation, the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat (GSPC), has issued a call for action against France which it describes as “enemy number one”, intelligence officials said Tuesday.
“The only way to teach France to behave is jihad and the Islamic martyr,” the group’s leader Abu Mossab Abdelwadoud, also own as Abdelmalek Dourkdal, was quoted as saying in an Internet message earlier this month.
“France is our enemy number one, the enemy of our religion, the enemy of our community,” he was quoted as saying.
France was mentioned 15 times in the text, and the Algerian government was also targeted, the officials said.
http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=25&story_id=24044&name=Algerian+group+calls+France+%E2%80%99enemy+number+one%E2%80%99
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 04, 2005 11:00 AM (8e/V4)
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shooting people in the head tends to inflame the communities into more violence, not quell it.
Not when applied frequently enough. Eventually, the survivors are more interested in, well, survival than in violence. Frankly, torching a woman in a wheelchair merits the application of deadly force in general, as those who are "merely" attacking property are providing diversions for those who are attacking people.
Prince Charles has nothing to do with France.
He is, however, planning to lecture the US on how it should be more tolerant of Islam.
This is not a Jihad. It is a riot.
Tell that to the rioters chanting "Allahu akbar", and their mouth pieces demanding to be allowed to run their communities without interference from the French.
Posted by: Robert Crawford at November 04, 2005 11:03 AM (1j9aH)
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Odd thing to say these riots could be a Jihad. France has never been owned by Muslims, except in combat all across Africa and Middle East, so none can call it a struggle for Islam to regain the land from it's barbarian rulers...
Posted by: A Finn at November 04, 2005 11:07 AM (lGolT)
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Burn, baby, burn!
Posted by: odrady at November 04, 2005 11:07 AM (FPlB1)
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>>>so none can call it a struggle for Islam to regain the land from it's barbarian rulers...
Finn,
jihad is about taking other people's land, not reclaiming their own. That's how the original jihadists got as far as southern France before Charles Martel stopped them, it's how they got as far as Vienna before the Poles stopped them, it's how they conquered most of Spain before Isabella expelled them-- other people's land.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 04, 2005 11:14 AM (8e/V4)
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Listening to the mainstream media is like reading tea leaves.
Hugh Hewitt: Mark Steyn, how do you account for the indifference or ignorance of the mainstream media in America?
Mark Steyn: Well, I think this is now basically becoming a willful effort at misleading. It's not just the United States. Other countries, too, are reporting this as their youths, or their French youth. And it isn't until you get thirteen paragraphs into the story, and they're quoting one of these youths, and you realize he's called Mohammed, that it occurs to you that there might be an ethno-cultural religious component to this situation.
http://www.radioblogger.com/#001126
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 04, 2005 11:18 AM (8e/V4)
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1. shooting people in the head tends to inflame the communities into more violence, not quell it. This has been evidenced by pretty much every terrorist/freedom fighter conflict in history.
Actually Military force seemed to do the trick in Louisiana to stop the looting, and mayhem -- unless of course you think those poor looters simply just got tired of stealing goods from retail stores, you must adopt the philosophy of "all they need is a hug"
3. This is not a Jihad. It is a riot.
I'll retract my statement when French Catholics start throwing the bricks.
Posted by: dave at November 04, 2005 11:20 AM (CcXvt)
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JC -- it's how they got Mecca, Medina, and the Middle East, too.
Posted by: Robert Crawford at November 04, 2005 11:32 AM (1j9aH)
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Mulsims are like human kudzu; they spread rapidly and aggressively, engulfing and choking out everything in their path, until they have killed off everything and established a homogenous monoculture. One muslim is like one kudzu vine; the tempation is to say: "It's only one vine", then later, whent he infestation has spread, "it's only one small patch", and so it goes until there is nothing but kudzu from horizon to horizon. The sole difference between kudzu and islam is that kudzu doesn't act with malicious intent. Islam is a plague and a pestilence upon the body of humanity, and must be treated as such.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 04, 2005 11:48 AM (0yYS2)
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"..shooting people in the head seems to inflame the communities into more violence, not quell it."
That only takes place when girlymen leaders (like Prince Charles) won't stand up and deal with evil before it becomes a big problem.
Posted by: thirdee at November 04, 2005 11:55 AM (Tg551)
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Admit it - who isn't mischieviouly enjoying the French dilema?
By the way, the concept of assimilation in Europe is radially different than the American version (except libs who wish they were European). Its really fasinating - and at the core of their growing problems with most immigrants - especially muslims.
Posted by: hondo at November 04, 2005 12:24 PM (ymtSt)
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I too must cast my vote in support of the use of lethal force. The time for talking, the time for "let's wait and see" has long past. Once control has been established, let the mass deportations begin. The fact that it has lasted this long shows weakness on the part of the French government. Weakness that will be even more exploited in the future. Not just in France, but all across Europe.
With regard to the arguement that just because these people aren't white and live in poorly maintained government housing somehow gives them the right to destroy and kill, I say horse s**t! The French didn't stop these immigrants from integrating, these people didn't want to become a part of their new country, all they wanted were jobs and money. Blame should also be placed on the French government for not forcing them to integrate. One can become a functional part of a new culture without sacrificing one's heritage. Also I say double horse s**t to saying that these riots are anything like the L.A. riots. The L.A. riots used race as a poor excuse to commit crime. What's happening in France and Denmark is all about religious and cultural supremacy. These immigrant areas want self rule and there is no way that can be allowed to happen.
Posted by: Graeme at November 04, 2005 12:32 PM (pq71L)
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My dear Mrs. Aginoth, the downturn in our own society recently is due to apologists that want to make excuses for the behavior of people who want you, your children, and every other member of your family dead in the street with their heads on a pike. 'It's only a riot' they say. 'They just happen to worship Islam. There's no relation.' they say. It's been several centuries since we've heard of this kind of behavior out of other major religions (on a widespread scale).
The only solution is a) have them get with the program or b) prepare them for extermination. Whatever the option, I'm in a good place with it.
If comes down to my children who only want to be children that grow up to be ballerinas or baseball players and children who want to grow up to kill them because they were taught that McDonalds is the physical manifestation of Western evil, we'll then all I gotta say 'stand still while I reload'.
Posted by: slug at November 04, 2005 12:35 PM (aQTEb)
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Also, last time I checked, yelling "Allahu Akbar!" while torching a car doesn't translate as "We want jobs and better health services! And some more schools while you're at it!"
Posted by: Graeme at November 04, 2005 12:35 PM (pq71L)
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Actually, lethal force heavily applied seems historically to be the second-best way to stop a riot- no matter whose or why (the BEST, of course, is to insure that the people most prone to organize a riot know your positive opinion on lethal force- and that THEY, in particular, are on the menu).
Historically the worst and most extensive riots come when the police are barred from using appropriate force, including lethal force (In America look at Miami and Los Angeles or any random Detroit night after the Pistons lose one).
Posted by: DaveP. at November 04, 2005 01:01 PM (d3m5O)
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"Admit it - who isn't mischieviouly enjoying the French dilema?"
Honestly, I thought that if something like this (or even worse) should occur, I'd feel smugly superior in saying "I told ya so". But now that it's happening, I feel very badly. The destruction, mayhem and personal grief they're causing for innocent people only makes me angry and more steadfast in my original convictions. Something good can still come of this. France can get a clue. And it would probably be in our best interests to help should they decide they've been in error and ask for help.
Posted by: Oyster at November 04, 2005 01:50 PM (fl6E1)
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"The young people are angry, what they are doing is to be condemned but as elected officials we can understand the reasons for their anger," said Bondy mayor Sylvine Thomassin, quoted by AFP.
"They have no work and live in stigmatised areas."
If the local authorities think the riots are due to social conditions, I think they probably have more knowledge than any of us, who live 1000's of miles away in a completely different culture.
Posted by: Mrs Aginoth at November 04, 2005 01:54 PM (cZrVc)
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Oh my God!
you mean Europe/France has ... ghettoes! poverty! ethnic and racial discrimination! high unemployment! poor inner city healthcare! high crime areas! inner city blight! race problems! urban decay! etc. etc. etc.!
SAY IT AIN'T SOOOOO!
I mean ... this is EUROPE we're talking about! A progressive socialist paradise for god's sake (lil' g for European sensibilities).
I'm convinced this is all a right-wing hoax (where's Rove!). All I see is lots of small burning cars which could all be the French version of the Ford Pinto - simple gas tank problems taken out of context.
I'm lovin' this
Posted by: hondo at November 04, 2005 02:15 PM (ymtSt)
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Oops - correction
The French put their housing projects and ghettoes in the 'burbs - called here at one time scatter-site housing. Inner city property too valuable - gentrified (by the left no less). Remember how rough Paris north was - got into a nasty brawl up there by the Metro-north station years ago. Hung out a bit 'round FDR Plaza area - even that dive pool hall is gone.
Posted by: hondo at November 04, 2005 02:36 PM (ymtSt)
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Aginoth,
French authorities are responsible for this demographic nightmare, they're hardly going to take responsibility for it-- they'll blame it on "poverty" like Lefties do for everything else.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 04, 2005 03:22 PM (8e/V4)
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Mrs. A,
I take no pleasure in what is happening in France, although a comeuppence was certainly their due. Many of my ancestors came from the Rheims area of France, and although I have never visited there, several of my cousins have traveled there over the years. That being said, I must say again that the attitude you display is going to assure that riots will begin shortly in Britain. Why, say you? Because the Muslims see that you are weak, afraid to take the action necessary to forstall the violence about to visit you.
I predicted the riots in France and Denmark, and I have predicted them for Britain. I hope I am wrong, but I doubt it. By the way, Mrs. A, didn't I hear something about Muslims attacking black people in Britain last week?
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 04, 2005 03:37 PM (rUyw4)
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You know, in the 60s, the blacks in the south didn't like how they were treated either. MLK didn't call for distruction. Rosa Parks didn't throw Molotov cocktails at buses.
This has little if anything to do with wanting equal treatment and opportunities.
Posted by: Maureen at November 04, 2005 04:19 PM (ny5O/)
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Thanks Maureen, though I may disagree with the political philosophies of King and Parks, (they were known communists, that fact is easily verifiable and indisputable, though apologists for communism would deny it), they knew that peaceful resistance is the only kind that ultimately reaps a positive dividend, that is, if peaceful coexistence is one's goal. However, if one's goal is conquest and displacement, as is the muslims', then violence is the sure ticket, but only if you have the odds squarely in your favor. I think the muslims have used up their "religion of peace" credibility and are now almost universally seen as a threat to civilization. They should be exterminated to the last.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 04, 2005 04:26 PM (0yYS2)
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Jesusland Carlos: That can't be the original purpose of Jihad. Or then Medieval Total War is not a reliable source for neutral historic descriptions... Could've been turned into a more Crusade-like by later interpretations of Quran. Muhammeds version says a Hitlery message very clearly: Jihad is a holy war to return Arab land to Arabs.
Were the ones fighting Martel Islamic? Less than a hundred years from Muhammed founding the religion to Martel fighting way far away on the other side of the Mediterranean, and at that time even Egypt was still technically Orthodox Christian.
Posted by: A Finn at November 04, 2005 04:34 PM (lGolT)
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And also, Saladin was the first man to start and lead an actual Jihad, if you don't count Muhammeds Jew hunts of course... They were actually civilized and way smarter than Europeans before the days of gore they experienced and apparently enjoyed once their first great leader chased out the Crusaders.
Posted by: A Finn at November 04, 2005 04:41 PM (lGolT)
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And since I said Europeans were dumber than Arabs, I need to point out that Finns were not considered to be European. Church and Vikings spread tales of heathen witches, demons, barbarians from the east, who talk in curses and make foul poison of their grain.
Posted by: A Finn at November 04, 2005 04:49 PM (lGolT)
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Ah Finn -
Yes! Egypt was Christian - a very importent center of it, as was "Turkey!" (aka Antioch) before the Saracens (then Turks) arrived. and what about the Iberian Penninsula (Spain). The Poles, Lithuanians and Russians also had some interesting interaction with Muslims ... all long before the Crusades.
To some muslims jihad seem to mean "Promised Planet"
Posted by: hondo at November 04, 2005 04:51 PM (ymtSt)
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I think everything in Europe, souther than Moscow, yet easter than Kiev was Muslim at one point, back when they were still thinking that Islam was advanced Christianity and Christianity was advanced Jewism. Long before those areas became Christian/Jewish.
Posted by: A Finn at November 04, 2005 05:20 PM (lGolT)
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In fact, the first form of Yahweh-based religion introduced to the steppes outside Roman empire was Islam, and first Arab religion influence came to Finland with the technique of distilling high % alcohol in very early "anno domini"s, except that Allah was a god among other desert gods back then. Still, since Allah brought us warmth, happiness and wooziness in a bottle, he got a warm seat right next to Ukko Ylijumala, so anti-Allah Catholic Christianity had a hard time settling about 15 centuries later.
And once again drifted far away from the original topic. Couldn't help it, in just the right kind of lager toxication to be in a mellow mood and ramble on and on. I'll try to stop typing for this evening... well, way past midnight.
Posted by: A Finn at November 04, 2005 05:34 PM (lGolT)
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Oh yes, and next the riots will start in Sweden, and they'll be about how the huge racist groups with a total of 12 people in them are always bugging them with "GÃ¥ tillbaka till Afrika"-postcards.
Posted by: A Finn at November 04, 2005 05:42 PM (lGolT)
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Slug: Excellent post.
Oyster: Of course you are right. But, I'm enjoying this as much as the French enjoyed their attemps pulling the rug from under the U.S. Personally, I hope the rioting continues until the frogs realize the only solution to protecting the future of their country. Which is SEND THEM BACK.
A Fin: You are correct Finns are not considered Europeans. That are considered to be brain dead. What gave you the idea that you could rewrite history. The first muslims to enter Europe were the Berbers. They were muslims because the Arabs forced them to be. The Arabs then forced them to invade Spain. Then the Arabs followed into Spain and later into what is today modern France where their advance was stopped. Stop using cheap Russian drugs when reading history books.
Mrs. A. No need to talk to you. I ran into your type 40 yrs ago at UC Berkley. Totally devoid of common sense.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 04, 2005 09:18 PM (ZaAd/)
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"It's been several centuries since we've heard of this kind of behavior out of other major religions"
umm, Northern Ireland. Israel. Yugoslavia. Rwanda. Hitler.
to name but a few religious hatered wars/mass violence in the last 50 years.
Posted by: Mrs Aginoth at November 05, 2005 06:00 AM (cZrVc)
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Mrs Aginoth. You are full of shit. Northern Ireland. Israel, Yogoslavia, Rwanda, Hitler was RACIAL. Get it idiot. The Irish people don't wish to be ruled by others. Religion is a secondary consideration. They want independance. Israeli's are Jews. They want their own homeland. The Serbs and Croats want their country for their race. Rwanda was and still is tribe against tribe.
Hitler attacked the Jewish people not their religion. It was the Joooooooos. You are a liberal excuse making idiot who merely runs at the mouth in a pitiful effort to spread you silly beliefs.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 05, 2005 07:54 AM (ZaAd/)
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Gee whiz. The France is burning. Why don't I give a shit. Bush is wrong, right. The frogs have a choice. Get tough, mow them down and export them back to where they came from. Or turn butts up and make excuses for the barbaric behavior. Today, the Frogs are probably planning to promise the islamofacists money and such. Apologize to the african hoard for not giving them more earlier and perhaps the violence will stop. UNTIL THEY WANT MORE.
Or better yet. France continues to burn until they realize what it takes to get along with a muslim. What it takes is them in their countries and the rest of the world in theirs.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 05, 2005 08:03 AM (ZaAd/)
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>>>"Hitler."
Nazism is a religion? Didn't know that. It thought it was a secular ideology based on race and nationality.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 05, 2005 03:47 PM (8e/V4)
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Nationalsocialism like communism was pretty much in religion status in countries infected with it, same kind of total control over behaviour and life of it's serious followers, originating from a single source, f.ex. Hitler, Bible, Marx.
Grey old cock, as much as I value other peoples opinions, yours annoy me, and that is a rare thing to happen.
Posted by: A Finn at November 05, 2005 05:12 PM (lGolT)
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Oh yes, hope you didn't get the idea that I value opinions other than my own...
Perhaps by their entertainment value, but I don't usually give 'em any thought, since it seems to have an effect similar to reading a book; reading quickly understanding what it's trying to say and thinking about it later replaces all own opinions considered trivial before with writers opinions and suddenly you think the guy has a point, eventhough you would only be amused by anyone serious about such views before you read the stuff.
Posted by: A Finn at November 05, 2005 05:29 PM (lGolT)
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Finn, you're gonna have to better than that to master the run-on-sentence. A comma here and a semi-colon there will go a long way.
Posted by: Oyster at November 05, 2005 07:23 PM (YudAC)
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A Finn,
Where in the wide world did you come up with your history? Saladin leading the first jihad? The first jihad came out of the desert in Arabia in the 630's, fully 400 years before Saladin was born. The first jihad conquered Christian regions of the Middle East, including what today is Syria, Israel, Lebanon, and Jordan. The Christians were either killed, enslaved, or forced to convert to Islam.
Within a generation, the jihad had conquered all of Christian North Africa, converted the Christian Berber tribesmen to Islam, and conquered the Visagoth Kingdom of Spain, and were finally stopped at the Battle of Tours in France in 734. The Eastern jihad had basically the same success, with the Persian kingdom falling to the invaders.
Although stymied in France, the jihad continued in the Mediterranean with attacks and occupation of large parts of Italy, the sack of Rome, the capture of Sicily, and many other areas in Europe.
A Finn, Paul Fregosi wrote an excellent book entitled "Jihad in the West" that I highly recommend. All these conquests by the Muslims took place PRIOR to the Crusades. The Crusades were a response to Muslim aggression, not what is now taught by the politically correct in the West as an appeasement to Islam. Read the book. Go online and read the History of the Crusades done by the University of Wisconsin and pay close attention to the chapters that prelude the Crusades. Very enlightening.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 05, 2005 08:27 PM (rUyw4)
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A FIN: The greyrooster beginning to annoy you? That means I'm winning. That's the purpose. Dump some hot water on your frozen brain. Once again. Quit using the cheap Russian drugs when studying history. Better yet. Go get a job and quit living off of mommy.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 05, 2005 11:29 PM (ZaAd/)
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Go back to Africa postcards! Hmmmm.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 05, 2005 11:33 PM (ZaAd/)
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Finn,
the iPod craze has assumed "religion status" too, that doesn't make it a religion. Internet porn has assumed "religion status" too, you get the picture. Arginoth was equating "Hitler" with the "major religions", but Nazism has never been a major religion by any definition you choose to give it. A religion is a belief in a higher power or something divine, which is different than an ideology. Nazism was/is an ideology. If you have to bend terms and definitions to make your ideas work (something people on the Left do constantly), then your ideas probably aren't worth a bucket of warm spit.
Also, you don't know squat about history. The muslims invaded Spain in the 7th century (all the way from Saudi Arabia), and Saladin didn't fight Crusaders until the 11th century. The Crusades came long after the islamic empire had invaded Europe on several fronts. Again, you don't know squat about history.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 06, 2005 12:23 AM (8e/V4)
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Carlos, I meantioned Saladin with Jihads, not regular conquest trips. Not every war against Muslims was a Crusade either. And naturally I twist every fragment of everything to create my commentary, if that makes them useless, so be it, since it's not fun enough to always point out the obvious anyone could've thought of.
Oyster, fine, I'll check commentary for errors... maybe.
Joe, too early in the morning, or mid-day, to read all of that, but if it was about me being wrong about everything, then ok, maybe so.
Greyrooster, I say no to drugs, yes please to alcohol. Who says I study history? I just apply creative reading to it. Already got a job and thousands of euros in bank, I'd move out, but the school is very near so studies won't cost a dime if I live here. And I prefer the sauna for brain melter.
Posted by: A Finn at November 06, 2005 04:46 AM (lGolT)
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They should shoot to kill all rioters. Order a curfew 8pm if anyone is out on the streets then you will be shot to death. You will not be shot just to bring you down, we'll check to see if you are still alive and if you are we'll shoot you dead on the spot. We'll continue this until you learn to stop acting like animals. If they don't like acting civilized, then a free ticket back to whereever is in order. As far as squalid apartments the government gave them. You should have seen what they looked like before they moved in. Now they're full of graphitti because of them. THEY DID IT TO THEMSELVES FOR GOD SAKES!
Check out this blog:
http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/
You will find all you need to know!
Posted by: Andre at November 06, 2005 07:31 AM (bQ3vG)
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When the oppressed and poor decided to change things in France the last time, their royalty got whacked. Whose going this time? Will it be the Made in France -French or the richest 10%, we'll just have to wait to find out.
Posted by: A Finn at November 06, 2005 07:39 AM (lGolT)
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Finn,
seriously, you have no clue. Read and learn:
"Mohammed himself led the first jihad, in the wars of the Muslims against the pagans in Arabia. The jihad continued under his successors, with a series of wars that brought the Middle East, including the Holy Land, under Arab Muslim rule and then continued eastward into Asia, westward into Africa, and three times into Europe--the Moors in Spain, the Tatars in Russia, the Turks in the Balkans. The Crusade was part of the European counterattack. The Christian re-conquest
succeeded in Spain, Russia and eventually the Balkans;
it failed to recover the Holy Land of Christendom."
http://www.hamline.edu/apakabar/basisdata/2001/09/28/0004.html
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 06, 2005 11:01 AM (8e/V4)
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As for the use of lethal force...
You're trying to get home through one of the rioting areas with your wife, your 5-year old daughter, and your infant son.
Suddenly, a dangerous-looking Jihadi with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife, and charges.
You are carrying a Glock .40, and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?
Liberal's Answer:
"Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor or oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack? Could we run away? What does my wife think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Does the Glock have appropriate safety built into it? Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society and to my children? Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to convert me? If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me? Should I call 9-1-1? Why are they rioting anyway? We need to raise taxes, have a paint and weed day and make this a happier, healthier street that would discourage such behavior. This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days and try to come to a consensus."
Conservative's Answer:
BANG!
Conservative Okie's Answer:
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click (sounds of reloading)
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click.
(Daughter: ) "Nice grouping, Daddy! Were those the Winchester Silver Tips?"
Sometimes you have to get their attention the hard way...
Posted by: Lonevoice at November 06, 2005 12:44 PM (7VXEe)
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Lonevoice,
By God, that's the Texan's answer also, and the right one. The French have now painted themselves into a corner. What at the beginning would have only taken a few deaths will now take many. The stupidity of it all.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 06, 2005 01:56 PM (rUyw4)
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Lonevoice,
here in the Texas hill country it's BANG x 30 because we use banana clips. No questions asked.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 06, 2005 02:37 PM (8e/V4)
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Lonevoice, I agree with you 99%. The 1% I disagree with is the choice of weapon: a Glock....peeuuuu. A 1911. Now that's a good looking weapon to unleash some thunder with.
I imagine the riot police on the ground must be feeling the frustration. Those guys are probably itching to use force - anything - to finally get control, but as with many operations it's the stuffed shirts who are holding them back and making things worse - domestically and internationally.
Posted by: Graeme at November 06, 2005 03:32 PM (ONAJ/)
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Graeme,
I like my two .45 auto's about as well as anything, one being a 1911 Government model and the other a 1911 Combat Commander that has been through the Colt Custom Shop, but I just bought a Taurus 24/7 in .45 cal that I find very satisfactory.
As far as rifles go, I recently acquired a Springfield Armory Socom that is absolutely the number one best rifle out there. It is a pleasure to fire and is very accurate, plus it fires the .308 cal cartridge. I also have a Scout rifle which is a modified version of the Remington Model 600 fitted with a scope. I like it for hunting deer, and it makes a damn fine rifle for non urban areas.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 06, 2005 04:35 PM (rUyw4)
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Dang it, JJ, now you've gone and gotten me jealous. I live in a former British colony so the government has inherited their absurd gun laws and all out fear of an armed, law-abiding population. Anyway, I'm still free to dream. I've always said that the first handgun purchase I'll make (when I'm somehow in a position to do so) will be a 1911. I have a preference for Springfield, but just about any 1911 will do. I've never fancied the newer polymer frames. They all lack the lines of the 1911 and seem to all end up with the same squared look. The first rifle I'll buy will be a Mauser K98k. After that, well I, I'll build my collection from there. You Americans (especially you Texans) are very, very lucky in that department.
Posted by: Graeme at November 06, 2005 05:27 PM (ONAJ/)
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France, Euroasia, and the world won't learn the real issues at stake here until the Eiffle Tower is blown up.
Somalia was just about warlords too until Osama Bin Laden was found to be behind much of the activity there.
I'm not worried as Hillary the warrior will put a stop to this nonsense by sending Jimmy Carter over there to negotiate a permanent peace!
Sadly though, he'll hve to go to Mecca to collect his next "peace prize"
Posted by: DL at November 06, 2005 05:42 PM (ijDmm)
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Graeme,
Hey, I in no way wanted to make you jealous, but take my word that the 1911 is just one damn good handgun. I shoot mine often(every Saturday and Sunday), knowing that a pistol is hard to master and you will lose your ability if you do not practice. I remember well when I shot my first handgun(a Dirty Harry 44 magnum w/a 4 in. barrel), and looked downrange and saw a pine sapling slowly falling. I had to have me one of them, still have it, and love to use it for a working gun when we visit our farm in Arkansas or here on our ranch. It's a dandy against feral hogs here in Texas or black bear in Arkansas, although I've never had to shoot one. It makes me feel safe to have it on my hip.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 06, 2005 06:03 PM (rUyw4)
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Hmmm I have not shed one tear yet for France. nope
They had their chance to fight with us but noooooo.
I hope our country will learn something with what is happening in France and start taking this whole thing more seriously. We need to close down the Saudi Schools that are here in America and stop kissing up to the Muslims with all the various things they want banned just because of their so called religion.
Posted by: Wild Thing at November 06, 2005 06:15 PM (tj1zH)
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Hey it's cool JJ. I'm sure the 1911 enhances one's feeling of security. I think it's the only design and caliber that will never lose popularity. Hence the reason they're the Pringles of handguns: you can't have just one. On a side note, it's been so long since I've fired off a few rounds (I learned to shoot with a 38 revolver), that when I finally do get to experience the 1911, the safest place for me to do it will be out at sea.
Posted by: Graeme at November 06, 2005 07:06 PM (ONAJ/)
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/front/talk/index2.html
Posted by: Route Irish at November 06, 2005 07:25 PM (Eh9tH)
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Lonevoice: BANGBANG BANG.
Two fast in the chest, one aimed in the head.
Remember your economy of fire, dude: he might not be the only attacker and anyway high-end hollowpoints ain't cheap.
Posted by: DaveP. at November 06, 2005 07:25 PM (6iy97)
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Haha, Graeme, don't worry. Here in Texas we still have wide open spaces where you can't hit anything, and in Arkansas there are so many trees that they will stop anything you shoot.
My wife shoots a Tauras Model 98 .38 Special which I occasionally carry for a concealed pistol(I have a concealed carry licence in Texas and Arkansas). I do shoot it sometimes just to stay in practice as it only has a 2-inch barrel. It is very pleasant to shoot, but I do not have the confidence in the round itself to make me comfortable that it would stop a determined attacker. I much prefer the big bore pistols in whatever configuration, either revolver or auto.
Occasionally I hunt larger game in Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana and I feel better having the .44 magnum as a backup in bear country, although my whitetail deer hunting in Arkansas has become more complicated also with the rising numbers of bear, coyotes and the occasional mountain lion. Mountain lions in the western states are also increasing in numbers and becoming more bold in their attacks, so a good firearm is a must.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 06, 2005 08:32 PM (rUyw4)
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A FINN: I apologize. It's obvious you never studied history. I shouldn't have said that you did.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 06, 2005 08:41 PM (ZaAd/)
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Poor Frenchies, still burning. Blame this one on America. Burn bitches burn. Until you get some balls. You Francetards sided with the muslims because they owned you money. Money you frogs should have never given them.
Bush caused the fires.
France is simply the first of many I told you so's. Should have listened to Bush. Now pay the consequences. Balls out or butts up frenchies. I'm betting you go butts up.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 06, 2005 08:51 PM (ZaAd/)
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Apology accepted =)
Oh yes, and Carlos, thanks, but no thanks, I have no use for non-entertaining, non-provocative, standardized history info.
Posted by: A Finn at November 07, 2005 03:46 AM (cWMi4)
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...since it's much more fun to defend evvk-things when I know half the stuff I'm writing is bullshit.
(I'm bored, pointless and I disagree for fun, ban me if you can, I don't care)
Posted by: A Finn at November 07, 2005 03:57 AM (cWMi4)
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The so called religion of peace what a sick joke why dont prince charles have his head examend
Posted by: sandpiper at November 07, 2005 09:05 AM (hm7/x)
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This is good stuff! Muslims burning France. Can anybody say this is Karma at its finest
Posted by: Andy Driggers at November 07, 2005 11:16 AM (tMU4W)
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Andy, this is karma at its finest. There, I said it. Actually, I think karma falls far short of describing the poetic justice that the French are dealing with. I hope the French have a good recipe for crow, because they've got a lot of it to eat; corneille au vin, or corneille cordon bleu, perhaps?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 07, 2005 12:45 PM (0yYS2)
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I knew this would happen but not so soon. Time to wake up Europe! All this fancy talk about integration and multicultures is crap. If you live in a different culture then adopt or if you don't like it get the F¤"¤& out, very simple. In their countries they'd get their hands chopped off or worse, but here they feel free worship foul totalianarism and cause mayhem. We need to learn them how to behave like decent humans because obviously the religion of peace hasn't taught them any of that.
Or we could do the standard cave in because were afraid to upset the moslems who would cause more violence and instead appease them by signing a nonagression pact so they can continue to despize western society and demand their own.
Posted by: Peace in our time at November 07, 2005 12:48 PM (7ZsmI)
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""Rioters attacked us with baseball bats," Philippe Jofres, a deputy fire chief f"
Baseball?
Posted by: actus at November 07, 2005 04:06 PM (Zi15r)
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A FIN: We are not going to ban you. Rather keep berating you until you get out of elementary school.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 07, 2005 09:53 PM (ZaAd/)
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A FIN: When you achieve puberty you will understand better.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 07, 2005 09:59 PM (ZaAd/)
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Fowl beast, I'm past that, but I didn't rebel against anything, so it isn't technically over yet. Didn't see any faults in the country, didn't care about abroad and managed to keep the free food/housing/NES (best console ever) + avoid parenting from the age of ten.
Posted by: A Finn at November 08, 2005 02:36 PM (lGolT)
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10909.htm
Posted by: Route Irish at November 08, 2005 06:30 PM (Eh9tH)
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