October 07, 2005

Freedom for Everyone

On the drive home yesterday, I happened to catch a portion of the Sean Hannity show that got me thinking. His guest was a woman who had been kicked off a Southwest Airlines flight because of her shirt. The shirt in question had a picture of the Bush cabinet and the caption "Meet The F*ckers." Hannity, while berating the woman for wearing such a shirt, said that he would fully defend her right to be able to wear it.

Of course that brings up the question of where do we draw the line? This isn't a new question by any means. In the Fifties, parents wanted Rock & Roll banned for its "evil influence" on kids (and nowadays I'm beginning to think they may have been right!). And for as long as most of us can remember, the courts have been struggling to define pornography. And I think most of the answers end up being "if it pleases me, then it's not pornography." But in our culturally diverse society, that can leave a lot open to interpretation. The sight of a woman's leg could be offensive to a Muslim, while some perverted individuals might not be offended by women having sex with animals. Certainly the reaction to Janet Jackson's breast, even amongst Conservatives, ran the entire spectrum. So, defining what is offensive and what is not in a court is going to be next to impossible. Of course I have always been taught that the extent of my rights is always where they cross over someone else's rights. That, however, leaves the question "do we have a right not to be offended?" Which, of course, seems to be the key question in a number of court battles lately. And there seems to be no clearly defined answer from either end of the political spectrum. Certainly the liberal left doesn't make much sense with some of them screaming that they're offended by everything and everything they're offended by must be removed and others screaming about violation of their first amendment rights. But then the far right doesn't necessarily have it together either with some wanting the government to control everything we hear and see while others don't want them touching anything. Our biggest mistake as a society is to pay too much attention to any of these extremes. We need to realize that while the first amendment may give you the right to piss in a cup and call it art, it does not mean that anyone else has to look at it. Or that any private entity even has to show it.

Most of the liberal first amendment crowd needs a good civics lesson. The restrictions set down by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are restrictions on what the government can and cannot do. They have no bearing on what a private business can do. So if a newspaper decides not to publish your letter to the editor, it's not abridging your first amendment rights. If an art gallery decides not to show your sexual works, they aren't stomping on the Constitution.

But does this mean that we can rely on business to enforce standards of decency? It has been proven time and again (see Janet Jackson) that the media, left to their own devices, will push the envelope as far as they can. Left without regulation, Howard Stern would be pumping out pornographic radio 24 hours a day. And there's simply no telling what would come of of daytime TV. Soaps are racy enough now to almost be declared softcore porn. Without regulation, I'm fairly sure they'd completely cross the line.

So what's the answer? In a pre-modern world, the answer was simple. Each community could decide for themselves what standards they wished to live by. But with electronic communication of one form or another in every home nowdays, enforcing community standards becomes impossible. Are the standards enforced where the broadcast is received, or at its origin? And with the international nature of the Internet, things are even worse. How can you enforce standards on someone whose content resides in a country that doesn't even have an extradition treaty for more serious crimes?

Of course I know the answer that some of you come up with. "If you don't want to watch it, then don't watch it. If you don't want your kids to watch it, then don't let them." While I fully believe that I'm in charge of my kids and I'm ultimately responsible for their behavior, I think it's a little naive to think that I can control what they see and hear 24 hours a day.

So again, what is the answer? On this particular problem, I'm not sure I have a "good" answer. I do think there has to be some government regulation or there would be no standard. And with the state of communications nowdays, I believe this enforcement, unfortunately, must come from the federal government. Beyond that, I'm not certain. If we allow the government to censor everything based on someone being offended, then we open the door to having the things we believe in, such as Christmas, censored because they are offensive to someone else. I guess what it boils down to is "are you willing to give up some of your freedom to keep from being offended, or are you willing to take the chance on being offended to ensure your freedoms?"

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1 While she had the right to wear the shirt, SouthWest had the right to not allow her to board their own private property. It's not at all complex. The line? That's where it get's complex.

Posted by: dick/elliott at October 07, 2005 07:55 AM (XlQVK)

2 I believe the crux of this for the people complaining is the fact it was a T-Shirt with the pictures of Bush / Cheney, they totally have skipped over the profanity emblazed across the T-Shirt. If the T-Shirt had said "The true Axis of Evil" or "I Think I'll call him Mini Me" or something I don't think they would have been asked to change the T-Shirt.

Posted by: dave at October 07, 2005 08:03 AM (CcXvt)

3 The T-shirt was vulgar garbage worn by vulgar garbage.

Posted by: greyrooster at October 07, 2005 09:22 AM (M7kiy)

4 Dave, You can go to a shopping mall in any major US city and find people wearing anti-Bush t-shirts. No one cares. That particular word on the t-shirt in question offends the sensibilities of most decent people, and if you choose to wear a shirt like that, then you should be prepared for the consequences, one of which might be to change it or not do business here. What really has the Left in a snit in this case is that it involved Bush/Cheney, and they want to make a political case out of it, which strikes me as odd, as they are the ones supporting the suppression of political speech. The Left is anything but logical, that's for sure.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 07, 2005 09:28 AM (rUyw4)

5 Just as everyone has a right to publish speech that is offensive, everyone should have the right to avoid speech they find offensive. If you are offended by a TV show or a website then you can either change the channel or click to the next page. But if you were offended by this woman's T-shirt (and let's face it, the word F*%ker almost universally offensive) you would be forced to see this or have your children see this material for the next several hours at least. That is a problem. So I think that the line is drawn at the point where the offended cannot retreat from the offensive speech.

Posted by: PT@NJ at October 07, 2005 11:26 AM (GOFVL)

6 Where the line is drawn for government, and where the line is drawn for a private entity, such as a corporation, or this blog, must by necessity be much different. For instance, here there seems to be a "community standard," if you will, that the word "f@*$ers" won't be published. Come over to my place, though, and you can say it all you want. It's an essential part of the story, so I posted the word without We are supposed to be in a "free" society where we can make those sorts of decisions for ourselves, as to what we'll be exposed to and tolerate, and for the most part government should stay out of that. If you're offended by profanity, you probably shouldn't be reading my blog. Go somewhere tamer, like The Jawa Report. The point here is that Southwest Airlines had several paying passengers who were offended by the T-shirt, and were well within their rights to ask her to cover or remove it. That freedom of speech does not extend to others' private property, nor should it. Your home is your castle. You decide what goes on there, not your guests. The same applies to Southwest Airlines.

Posted by: IO ERROR at October 07, 2005 11:43 AM (vhWf1)

7 We are talking about one line, with multiple proctors. The line is public versus private, and I believe Lawrence v. Texas offers some definition of that as ruled by the Supreme Court (regardless of the Equal Protection angle). A jet owned by Southwest is private. A mall is public. Your home is private. Your high school is public. The number or relationship of people in these places does not make them public or private. This determines who gets to be the judge of acceptable behavior. Clearly, it's more easily dealt with in the private sector. The public sector, arbited and patrolled by certain arms of government, has to serve the interests of the public well-being, which doesn't automatically mean that anything mildly offensive gets pulled off the streets. For example: My students wear suggestive garbage like "Are you looking at my" above a picture of several of the screw-on parts of a bolt, commonly referred to as a nut. The payoff comes for the student if I acknowledge this and make him change. He wins, because I've given the shirt both meaning and importance. OTOH, if other students complain, he's toast. In other public venues, such as the mall, we are free to wrinkle our noses and shun people who want to push inflamatory or lurid ideas. But we all observe a reasonable sense of "live and let live," which serves as a form of respect for one another's liberties. No need for cops unless we're talking about things that are unacceptable for every person of every age to see, like five-year-old Billy seeing Janet Jackson's pasties. Does the Tshirt in question meet the above criteria for public exclusion? Yes, based on language. That standard is held by the MPA and the FCC, as well as every school board in the nation. Making a case of supressed free speech out of this is tedious and specious.

Posted by: tee bee at October 07, 2005 12:25 PM (q1JHF)

8 There is no right to not be offended, nor is there a right to be heard. Here's a question, I have a shirt that says in total F[star]CK TERRORISM, would the airline kick me off the flight? (On a side note, it's one of two shirts that I have that I get compliments on regularly). As far as what the shirt said, I have no problem with using the "seven words you can't say on television" in expressing a political view - then again, I have no problem using those words for no reason whatsoever. I think the USSC case was Miller v California where the First Amendment protected a guy wearing a jacket that said "F*ck the Draft" during the Vietnam War - so the question is whether there was a political message, here there was. But then the question becomes whether the plane was public or private - one could make the argument that because of the sheer scope of regulation of airlines it is quasi-public. I don't buy this argument, it is most likely private and therefore they have the right to exclude anyone they want for just about any reason.

Posted by: KG at October 07, 2005 12:36 PM (YPmsQ)

9 What I had read was that the woman had a ticket from LA to Portland by way of Reno. She was allowed on in LA and then kicked off at Reno due to other passangers complaining. Now I do not disagree that South West have the right to refuse to allow her on the plane, (many restaurants have dress codes.) But I do think it was in very poor taste for South West to give her the boot 1/2 through the flight. That is like after eating your salad, then asking you to leave before your steak arrives, but after you pay the full bill.

Posted by: Butch at October 07, 2005 03:38 PM (Gqhi9)

10 It's not about "public vs. private industry" or "first amendment vs obscenity". The point is even simpler than that: If Southwest had a problem with her shirt, why did they let her on the plane in the first place? And remember: When Southwest asked Ms. Heasleyto cover the "offending" commentary - SHE OBLIGED! Is a person now meant to be held accountable for Gravity affecting loose clothing? Again, how many different Southwest employees had Ms. Heasley interacted with prior to departure? And yet not a single one advised her of a possibility of her attire being a problem. Of course Southwest has "the right to refuse service". But that right cannot suddenly be applied mid-journey based on a handful unsubstantiated complaints. Southwest needs to re-imburse the Heasleys, full stop.

Posted by: zelmia at October 07, 2005 03:52 PM (af51w)

11 Butch wins.

Posted by: anonymous at October 07, 2005 06:06 PM (Z8ckK)

12 Anonymous: Bullshit! That was the best time to eject the vulgar bitch. Hurt the tramp the most when you can. Reno is not LA. Los Angeles had it's rules the rest of the world has theirs. She is an uncultured tramp and deserves what she got. Namely the boot. Wonder if she's wearing her smart assed T-shirt today.

Posted by: greyrooster at October 07, 2005 09:59 PM (M7kiy)

13 Butch, Kicking someone off a second tier of a flight you find "in poor taste", but you don't feel the same about this vulgar moonbat's shirt. Interesting. SOTG

Posted by: Son Of The Godfather at October 10, 2005 08:27 AM (maXzk)

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