1 If we only had our way.... Nice thought. I could think of a few other countries we ought to lay that out to!

2 Actually, this guy's case has been one of the few coming out of Afghanistan that has a conservative spin on it. Too many big papers who should know better have been running this under headlines like, "Man to be executed for converting to Christianity." By now everyone should know he's on the docket for apostasy. What religion he converted to, or if he didn't convert to any religion and gave up God altogether, has no bearing on the case. Unfortunately, "Man to be executed for renouncing Islam" doesn't sell papers in a Christian country.

3 Might be worth trying to win one of the two wars you are already losing before getting involved in losing another one.

4 i think the attention THIS story is ggetting will lead to the freedom of the man. however i propose he come to united states and study here. He is worth more to me and this country and what it stands for than the bleeding liberals and whiners on the streets, and much more than ALL the lawyers in the ACLU. do you notice that the court in afghanistan realizes that the attention his story is getting and know they will not execute him so they use the "he is crazy" argument, instead of admitting they are wrong! ahahah HA HA AFGHANISTAN!

5 Sonic must be one of those 'Gulf war babies' who believes if a war takes longer than six weeks -- (four weeks of which, is reruns of night-vision camera footage of a precision missile hit on CNN) that America is in a new Vietnam.

6 Unfortunately, we are now looking at the reality of pottery barn rules. Because we have wasted so much in Iraq, we did not focus on Afghanistan. The resurgence of opium trade coupled with tribal warfare makes it impossible for us to exercise any central control outside of Kabul. If we abandon Afghanistan the Taliban will come back in from Pakistan and Waziristan and we'll be dealing with another failed state. Failed states represent a bigger threat to us than anything else because they are the easiest for cash rich terrorists to hang out. Conflict diamonds, drugs, and gold are great sources of infuence when you have corrupt and destitute countries. The real risk (and increasing probability) is that we will be seeing a similarly theocratic state in Iraq.

7 Is it a wasted comment, to point out that Afghanistan was a NATO operation BN? As such, there were many more nations involved than just the U.S, all of those countries are very involved in current peacekeeping operations. Just because CNN keeps an active deathwatch in Iraq, and does not take it's camera's to Afghanistan, doesn't mean the coalition's resolve is any less today, that it was on September 12th 2001.

8 >>>Might be worth trying to win one of the two wars you are already losing before getting involved in losing another one. The only war we're losing is the media war, and that's no surprise considering the MSM is about 98.7% Democrat.

9 This might be a comment wasted on a real moron, but Thesaurus we're trying to make the Iraqi Police, and Military autonomous -- which means we do not patrol the streets for them, guard their Police stations, flush out the bad guys, etc the U.S military will respond to threats, and engage as needed. I'm guessing you're one of the liberal bedwetting, handwringers who talk about how "U.S won't leave Iraq for ten years" out of one side of your mouth, closely followed by "Bad things happen in Iraq every day!! we're defeated!! squark !! defeated I say!" When would you like the Iraqi military to take over peacekeeping, and security operations? should we make sure every police station in Iraq has armed U.S guards so they can't attack it? Apache helicopter in the air to guard the bus stations, Spectre Gunship on the runway in case someone steals some cheese in the market place? This is all part of making Iraqi's responsible for policing, and security of their own country

10 And it's working, they are automonously blowing away two of your guys every day and have been for three years. Still it's not as bad as Gettysburg, why is everyone worrying?

11 Afghanistan...... here we have a president who literally can not venture outside of his own capital. He must be guarded by Americans, he can not trust his own people to guard him. 50% of the country's GNP comes from opium/heroin. The billions that we have spent on reconstruction show little to benefit the ordinary common people. The taliban are stronger now than at any time since they were thrown out and are still providing sanctuary to Osama bin Laden. Gee there is a name from the distant past !! We hardly ever hear his name any more.

12 You know Vinnie actually we wouldn't have to threaten him with all of that. All we would have to do is threaten to remove his American bodyguards. He knows that he wouldn't live longer than a week without them.

13 Sonic, Seeing as you're an expert on warfare, asymmetric and conventional, perhaps you can state an insurgency [country/date] that did not last less than seven years, and did not involve small amounts of soldiers, over a long period of time? perhaps you can also break down and comment on the flaws in U.S counterinsurgency tactics, and tell us the faults?

14 Sonic: Outside of slaughtering Maoris, what war has New Zealand won? Background Noise: I fixed a URL in your "last post ever at the Jawa Report." Prevaricator. John Ryan: 1st comment, I call bullshit. Stop getting your information from Fox News. 2nd comment...eh, I'll buy that. But then we wouldn't get to build our ultra-base on the ashes of Teheran.

15 Couple comments: Vinnie... I appreciate your fixing that link... it shows you are a decent guy. I don't recall saying it was the last post ever... It was the last post I was going to ever leave on the Tom Fox thread. The way you have handled that distinguishes this blog from most every other one in the Right and most every one on the Left. I have also said here and in other venues that Jawa distinguishes itself from RedState and Townhall by engaging people who disagree. Here is a link to RedState that resulted in banning of several people. You show me where the rules were violated. Truth is, they ... like this administration ... are afraid to defend their positions in honest debate. So, they talk to themselves. I have consistently said that we can agree or disagree..but the fact is we're stuck with each other. We inflict more damage upon ourselves than any terrorists could ever hope to. That's the lesson of Antietam and Sharpsburg. 25 years ago Yasuhiro Nakasone said, "The American mongrel race is inferior." He was one third right. We are mongrels. But we call that diversity. In biology it's called "hybrid vigor," and that is what makes us strong. This is your playground and I know that first amendment issues are not in play here ... so you can decide what you like.. but I believe we need to cherish, celebrate, and cultivate that diversity so we can meet the challenges that face us going forward. I could post only on Dailykos where people are more likely to agree with me, and you could post only on RedState where they will agree with you. That's fine if all you want is to make everyone feel good by having their inner child validated, but that doesn't move the ball downfield. I know what I believe. I know why I believe it. Here's something that will surprise you: I'm willing to be wrong. But you have to bring something to the table to earn the right to that discussion. Invective and bigotry don't persuade me..that's why the jesusland jokers are dead to me. Let me be clear, I'm not accusing you of either ... and frankly if someone wants to mock me... have at it, I've been called worse by better. Like Whittington, I've got thicker skin than George. If you're good, I've got a funny story of how I got kick/banned from #bestiality back in the days when IRC was a wild and wooley place. === davec ... I am not sure about your comment... Afghanistan as a NATO operation? In addition to working with the northen alliance, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, France, New Zealand, Italy, and Germany provided support to us as well. Moreover, we had the endorsement of Iran (the first Islamic country to endorse our action), the Organization of Islamic Countries (representing all the Islamic nations of the world), Cuba, Libya, Russia and China. We also had the backing of the UN Security council with regards to our central demands that the Taliban hand over the perpetrators and close all terrorist bases. That invasion was firmly based in international law. It was consistent with policies and positions of the United States going back to the presidency of Thomas Jefferson. No one...not even Helen Thomas... argues that the US had a legitimate right to invade Afghanistan. I can quote Quakers who endorsed it in print in leading Quaker journals. Please explain your point ..because you are not being clear about it at all.

16 Sorry, I misinterpreted this: In my final post on Jawa at followed by the link to the post as saying you weren't going to comment anymore. Oh well, welcome to the club of "NO, NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT!!!!!" It's a blogger's curse, I tellya.

17 davec said: perhaps you can state an insurgency that did not last less than seven years, and did not involve small amounts of soldiers, over a long period of time? perhaps you can also break down and comment on the flaws in U.S counterinsurgency tactics, and tell us the faults? I'll take the second question first: The Salvador Option...huge mistake. And it's getting worse. Death squads are not a good way to spread democracy. The first question...I think you meant "insurgency that did not last MORE than seven years" right? I'm also assuming you want to only count successful insurgencies too, right? If that is what you were getting at ... I would suggest the Sandinista overthrow of Somoza in Nicaragua would qualify by a few months. Castro's overthrow of Batista only took 3 years. I'm not sure what is magical about the 7 years number, but I would point out that long drawn out insurgencies on foreign soil far from home usually prevail...so long insurgencies are not a good thing as far as our occupation of Iraq is concerned.

18 gee Vinnie ...Sorry if that got your hopes up I'll try to be more precise in the future...

19 I'm with you Vinnie. This isn't what we went to Afghanistan for. If they insist on being neanderthals, then we should leave.

20 I still can't figure out how pissing one's pants, wringing one's hands, crying like a baby, and running away to hide under the bed is any sort of winning strategy, but damn if the libtards don't believe in it. I just hope that when there is open war against muslims in the streets of America, the muslims don't hang all the libtards before I get a few.

21 Now back to the topic: The best way to handle this is for Bush to grow some nuts and tell them to knock this shit off if they don't want the B-52's to come back. Muslims are animals. Nothing more, nothing less.

22 The Philippino citizenry hate our guts? Wow, all of the Philippinos I ran into sure fooled me good.

23 A good question to contemplate is WHY we had the endorsement of Iran. Was it because of their strong principles? Or because the Taliban too closely and openly displayed the same style of government which might have soon been seen as comparable to Iran? Or because factions in Iran's government were harboring or planned to harbor Taliban or al Qaeda officials and this would put them in a position to be perceived as "good guys"? Or was it simply another example of "taqqiya"? Or ...

24 Oyster, I think that is a good question. There is no question that Iran uses terrorists as proxies. However, at the time of that attack, internal Iranian politics was undergoing a power struggle for direction. The overwhelming majority of Iranians are disillusioned with the fruits of Khomeini's revolution. The average Iranian loves the US. Most of Iran's current population was born after the revolution. So it is not surprising they have a different view of the US...especially since they grew up under the strict theocratic rule of the mullahs. This was abundantly clear to everyone involved in the aid relief to Bam... and that was after the SoTU where Bush placed them in the "axis of evil"... I'm sure some saw it as an opportunity to thaw the ice a bit with the US. But that was not the only reason. There was no love lost between Iran and the Taliban. First off, Iran is Shi'ite. Taliban is Sunni. However their relations were in the crapper for more concrete reasons. In 1998, Taliban soldiers seized the northern Afghan city of Mazar-i-Sharif. They then stormed the Iranian consulate in the city and killed eight diplomats and an Iranian journalist. They also took dozens of hostages. Iran responded by deploying troops along their common border. For some weeks it appeared the two sides would go to war. UN mediation defused the situation and all the hostages were eventually released. However, Iran never established diplomatic relations with the Taliban. They made a precondition for that was the killers had to be brought to justice. In spite of the governmental situation, tribal contacts remained intact. I'm sure the smuggling of Afghani opium through Iran to Europe was a major contributing factor in maintaining local cooperation even to the present.

25 I did this post with tongue firmly in cheek. Work with me here, Aurelius.

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28 Your examples are closer to a coup, than the sort of insurgency I was comparing, which would be foreign military in control: like in Palestine, Malay, Cyprus and Brunei where the controlling force has to quell rebel/guerilla forces. re: "The Salvador Option" perhaps you should go to wikipedia and fill it out a little, it seems they barely have an article: "The 'Salvador Option' was a secret military proposal that Newsweek originally reported on January 8th, 2005. The magazine claims to have received its information from military insiders speaking on conditions of anonymity. The program was supposed to have been based on the Reagan administration's still classified support for El Salvador's right wing forces' fight against left wing guerrilas in the 1980's. These right wing forces are alleged to have included so called 'death squads'." Might also be worthy to note Newsweek also claimed the U.S military were flushing the Quran from an "anonymous" source too

29 To quote Newsweek is not to quote a valid source. Good point, dave!

30 Sonic's problem is that of every other liberal; no balls. And to make it worse, he's not just outdone by real Men, but every woman in the military is a better Man than he. He cannot contribute in any meaningful way to his society, so he feels he must denigrate his betters. He is a worthless parasite, and he and his kind should be exterminated as such.