1 Depending which way you look at it, this does imply the Republicans commit fraud at least. As for stealing elections, I didn't realise we'd had one.

2 I can't wait to RE-VOTE!!! On thing to pick at in the reporting on this article is the following: More than 700 other provisional ballots were counted at polling places before voters' eligibility was verified — a violation of county and state policies.Uh, sorry, it's not JUST policy - IT'S THE LAW!

3 This cracks me up. Funny thing is, the courts stopped the recount in the 2000 election because that darn gap kept getting slimmer and slimmer...plus all the documented racial crap and places like Dade (jewish central) voting for BUCHANAN? Yah, right. We all know Gore won Florida, and say what you want Bush fans: You may think Bush is the right man for the job, and deserves to be in office, but he did not win 2000. 2004 is a different story... Huge amounts of people think Bush won. A very small amount think it was rigged. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised either way. I can see the posts after this: "You liberal loser conspiracy moon-bat tin-foil hat wearing blah blah blah..." Say whatever the fuck you want. You can't truthfully say that our voting system isn't flawed. It is easy to hack/manipulate and isn't accurate. Not to mention that nobody should have to wait in the rain for 6 hours to vote (some couldn't because they feared losing jobs). Another curious fact is that whenever there were errors caught, it was always in Bush's favor by the thousands. HMMM! makes one wonder! I wish we had a fair and accurate voting system, then no matter who won it wouldn't be held in suspicion. I also think it should be a national holiday. Nobody should be working that day, and I almost wish it was mandatory to vote. Too many people take the right to vote for granted...

4 How's the weather in that alternate universe your living in there OBT?

5 Is that the best response you can come up with? Is that your way of saying you'd like a voting system which isn't accurate or fair? You call yourself a patriot when you don't believe in democracy? Who's the fucking traitor now, bitch?

6 OsamaBeenThere, I couldn't agree with you more. As for your suggestion,"I almost wish it was mandatory to vote", it will never happen so long as the Republicans are in control. The Republicans attempt to suppress the vote any chance they get. If everyone voted they would be swept away.

7 Wow, osamabeenthere, you just got Greg's vote of confidence. He "couldn't agree with you more". You must be so proud. Now if only the Baber twins would show up, you could have a tea party with some 'shrooms. And little Greggy (the unloved Brady boy with the cracking voice) wants us to have forced elections just like certain countries with high turnouts and overwhelmingly one-side results. You boys should definitely get together and teach each other some new swear words. The ones you're using are so like, 1964. A sure sign of intelligence - swearing and constant references to butt boys. Alas for the Jawa Report, Rusty fiddles and grades term papers while the Jawa burns.

8 Well Greg, ditto. God Forbid all the African Americans get to vote! We all know they LOVE rich white people who take advantage of them. Ever see that map of the red states next to the map of the former slave owning territories? Hmmmm! Exact match! Old habits die hard, I guess...

9 I'd rather have Greg's vote anyday than a stolen vote from you, "constant references to butt boys" but (no pun intended) signed "osamabeenthereisanutbag" hypocrite. I love how people like you immediately label anyone with a different opinion as crazy or deluded. That, in itself is crazy and deluded!

10 I live in a suburb north of Seattle and have followed this election case closely. It is nothing more than the King County Democrat machine stealing the election. Past elections were also stolen with the blessing of the two major newspapers in the metro area, the Times and Seattle Prava-Isvesta (PI). The difference this time is that blogs followed the story closely and now the Democrats are busted. www.soundpolitics.com is all over this. If you read the history of this election, it will make even a democrat troll blush. I HAVE NO DOUBT THIS KIND OF CRAP HAS BEEN GOING ON IN EVERY METRO AREA OF THE US .Milwaukee is another example. Rossi the GOP won the election by a close margin. There were 2 recounts each giving Rossi the victory. A third recount was ordered and this time Gregoire (Fraudoire) the democrat won by 127 votes. Here are some facts about the brazen theft of this election: 527 voters in King County are registered at the address of 500 4th ave. This is the King county administration building. Almost 1000 votes were cast in the names of people who were still on the voter rolls in King county BUT HAD DIED BEFORE THE ELECTION. Under deposition, election workers testified that blank ballots were printed and taken home by election volunteers. The number of blank ballots is unknown as there is no system to monitor how many were printed. Thousands of previously uncounted ballots were found by King Co elections director Dean Logan after the first recount, more were found after the 2nd recount. There are over 1800 more votes in King County than people who signed in to vote. Thousands of provisional ballots (ballots cast by people not registered who just walked in to the polls were fed into the accuvote machines and counted. It is interesting to note that GOP senator Slade Gorton beat Democrat Maria Cantwell by 2000 votes in the 2000 senate election. Gorton lost in a recount to Cantwell due to the ability of the democrat machine in King County to produce more ballots for the recount. There is more, a lot moreÂ…I tell you Move on has this scam running all over the country and were now just finding out about it. THE ONE THING THE DEMS WILL FIGHT TO THE DEATH OVER IS PHOTO ID REQUIREMENTS AT THE POLLS

11 OR maybe it would be wiser to have a voting WEEK instead of a day, so we don't have to close down hospitals, gas stations, etc. How does that sound Oyster? Granted making everyone vote isn't very Democratic, but I only wish more people didn't take it for granted by not voting and then complain at the outcome.

12 The dems would never vote for reform! What the hell would they do without the votes of dead people, felons, and pets? Not to mention voting multiple times in inner cities. Good Lord, the dems would never win another national election!

13 The Republicans are terrified of massive voter turnout. They pray for bad weather and post few voting machines in critical urban areas to stiffle the black vote. The new National ID was a horrible idea but maybe it can be used in an effort to register Everyone who is eligible to vote. Agreed?

14 Fake National ID's would help Al Queda cells vote, therefore negating all claims that they are jealous of our freedom!

15 How about we give out free beer at polling places. Also have a big screen TV, Cokes, & chips. That'll bring em running (waddling) to vote if they can get from the couch to the polling place in between Judge Judy cases. More people don't even bother to vote than are affected by errors or whatever. I doubt that will help though with our prescreened, preapproved, sheepboys put up as candidates for most offices higher than dog catcher.

16 " I doubt that will help though with our prescreened, preapproved, sheepboys put up as candidates for most offices higher than dog catcher."-Howie Much truth to that. The major parties are like a two-headed serpent. They're both wrapped around our throats. What's wrong with a Universal Voter Registration?

17 I see that osamabeenthere and greg are getting more irrational by the day.

18 Even though she campigned on no new taxes, our new Governor Fraudiore just signed a bill passed by her fellow dems in the house and senate to raise the gas tax 9.5 CENTS A GALLON! They turned down a GOP proposal to have performance audits of State agencys, in effect saying there is absolutly nothing that can be cut from State Government. So Howie, there are sheep and then there are democrat sheep. Re election reform: how about the following, all rejected by the new Gov. Fraudiore as unnecessary. Greg, I give minorities credit for having the ability to get the following done. I thinks it's raceist to suggest this is beyond the means of non whites. . Require proof of citizenship at time of registration, to enforce constitutional requirement that only citizens are allowed to vote. · Strengthen the requirement for photo ID at time of registration, to insure that no person can register twice under different names. · Require full legal name in the voter database to prevent duplicate registrations and facilitate matching against other databases. · Require statewide updating of registrations to apply the above requirements to existing registered voters. · Require registration at least 30 days before the election, rather than the current 15 days, to provide auditors sufficient time to prepare poll books and mail absentee ballots. · Strengthen the requirement for photo ID at the polls, to insure that the person presenting themselves to vote is the registered voter they claim to be, and allow comparison on the spot of the signature on the ID to the signature in the poll book. · Extend auditing and reconciliation record-keeping requirements for all ballot types, accounting for all ballots printed, sent or handed out, returned, counted, and rejected, and requiring balancing. Every vote should have a voter. Voter fraud is the backbone of democrat power in WA state. The will never agree to any of the above.

19 Brad, Dem voter fraud in one state won't make up for GOP fraud in all the others. Robin...irrational? How about calling anyone a traitor who doesn' agree with you? Pblththt. Eat your own Hallibacon Cheney poop and choke on it.

20 "and allow comparison on the spot of the signature on the ID to the signature in the poll book."-Brad Many of Brads suggestions are valid. I don't like the idea of signature comparison though. This could easily be abused and would require more handwriting speci_alists than exist. Voter fraud is the backbone of republican power in presidiential elections.

21 Hey greg and osama, where do you buy the tinfoil for your hats? I think it's defective, the rays seem to be slipping through. Seriously, you two need taken out and shot.

22 Improbulus Maximus: I've already fashioned my hat into a nice shiny a dildo for your ass-mouth.

23 Brad : Hope no on believed that no new taxes thing. And that's sheepboys. I suppose if Republicans held the majority in your legislature and also held the governor's office they would do whatever they could to walk all over the other party and pass every little pet project as fast as they can. That is as long as it is in the realm of things approved of by the lobbys that support them. Also knowing the Washington state demographic I would expect that state to go Democrat quite a bit. Ya'll got Seattle you know. Same here in ILL, geographically much larger conservative part of the state. Population wise it's the Chicago Democratic machine that rules. We have a pretty good history of Republican Gov. except for the last two. The republican crook (Ryan) and the new Democratic pole( I still can't spell blacovitch). I feel your pain but have no illusion that the only politicians in this are democrats. Ryan turned out to be the biggest crook ever and then stopped The death penalty to appease the press and prevent himself from being impeached. In the end dispite the R by his name he was just another crooked politician.

24 Howie, I just wish they didnÂ’t think I was some kind of ATM that can shit cash advances every time they put the PIN # in. Jeez, 9.5 Cents a gallon tax on top of what we are already paying? Nothing, Nada, Zilch can be cut from State Government? There is not one bureaucrat sitting on his ass we can do without? I have got to get a job with the State. Then I can get on with my life and be happy about all this. Hey Greg, as a Libertarian, you seem to have an unnatural fondness for the democrats. You never seem to have a bad thing to say about them. Is your opposition to GOP and the Dems 50/50 ,60/40 ,70/30? Why donÂ’t you give ole Barney Frank or Nancy Pelosi a kick in the nuts every now and then? You need some balance man.

25 Brad: Yep I commute 63 miles 1 way. Ouch!! But I screw ILL out of the tax by crossing into KY. I guess what pisses me off the most about Ryan was what he did to the party in our state. It took the whole rest of the state to keep a Republican governor as a check against the legislature. For him to Follow James R. Thompson a four termer and screw the whole thing up. Just makes me want to tar and feather the bastard. I'm sure he is home now laughing all the way to the bank. New pole's proposal.... Raise gun card registration fee from 5 bucks to 500. Has not been passed yet but you get the picture.

26 "Hey Greg, as a Libertarian, you seem to have an unnatural fondness for the democrats."-Brad Brad, I detest both parties. If my venom seems to be focused on Republicans itÂ’s because they control the House, the Senate, the Presidency and the Supreme Court and this imbalance is becoming more exaggerated by the day. I wish Libertarians were in power to stifle the runaway government being imposed on America by the Republican Party. But since that isn't likely any time soon, it wouldn't be a bad thing if Democrats wrestled some power away. I long for gridlock until a 3rd party has a presence.

27 There's a reason democrats do not have the majority in the house, senate, nor the presidency. They embrace far left (out of the mainstream) policies, and are unwilling to moderate their stance. They are also incredibly rude to anyone who doesn't agree with them 100%. Why would I want to vote for a party whose constituents continually tell me that I am stupid for voting for President Bush, that I am a bigot for believing in traditional family values and opposing gay marriage, and that I'm a "fristian" or a far right whacko because I'm a Christian. I'll never agree with democrats OR republicans on 100% of their policies, and that's OK. But why would I vote for a party that has insulted me on almost a daily basis. IÂ’m not the only person who has seen how the democrats are acting and have been repelled. You can call it a power grab, but itÂ’s nothing more than the majority ruling as it is meant to be. If the democrats had anything to offer they wouldnÂ’t be in the minority.

28 Typical behavior for the Commisars of the Pudget Sound Peoples Republic. I knew something fishey was going on when I got my ballot from King County on the Friday before the Election. I registered my APO address in Iraq as soon as I got here in September on the King County Web page. I am sure that the fact I am Military had something to do with my ballot being so late. Wish I hadn't done the write in ballot with all the recounts, who could have guessed we would be the Dade County of the NW.

29 Good day everyone, I’m here to place my 2 cents in if I may. First I would like to start off by saying the very first voting reform we need to do is change the Electoral College. At a minimum, we need to give percentage college votes for percentage popular votes. At max, maybe do away with the college all together. It is no longer needed. My mother was vexed at me in the last two Presidential elections due to the fact that I voted for the only person I truly like, myself (write in vote.) My mother thought it was stupid, that I was just throwing away my vote. (She voted Kerry.) I told her, that with today’s rules, her vote for Kerry would be as useful as my vote for myself. (If you don’t know, I live in Texas and I was certain, Bush would win in Texas.) In the end, I was correct. My mother’s and my own vote was for naught, because all the votes of Texas went to Bush. The thing is, I still have the right to complain since I did vote, and I can actually feel good about who I voted for. Now if the electoral vote were given as a percentage, then I would have had to vote for Kerry, so I could still complain, but I would not have like it. As for Brad’s suggestions, much like Greg, I agree with all of them except the signature part. Another thought, and it is just my thought, is to have all apartments and title companies send in address changes to help keep track of where people live. Not fools proof, but could help some. Sue, the reason the GOP is in power is because of their use of scare tactics. The scared the Moral Majority (MM) into believing that Gay/Lesbians were going to bring about the moral decay of our country by wanting the same legal rights as straight couples and allowing women the a choice to have abortions. The GOP preyed upon the country’s fears of terrorist attacking us at home. Osama bin Laden actually helped Bush in this by putting out that video, but then again the Bush’s have always been a friend of the Bin Ladens. The way I saw the election was mainly on three issues, economy, family values, and terrorism. Well, family values are for a family, not a nation. We have to many different cultures in the U.S. to be defined by one set of family values. Terrorism, for me to be “personally and directly” effected, the chances I see are very small. Not me losing my job because of the economy going to hell, is a very real possibility. The GOP never really address the economy issue to my satisfaction. I would like to ask you Sue, why do you support a party that wants to enslave everyone of this country with it’s values. Two citizens want to marry, why allow one couple to do it and not another. Why force a woman to carry a “potential” for life. Why not allow her a choice. Why force a woman to suffer rather that allow them peace that God will grant them. Why force “Christians” values on many citizens who are not Christians. That is why I call myself a liberal. We liberals, and we are far from perfect, at least allows choice. No liberal forces people to get abortions or not. No Liberal forces people to get marry or not. No Liberal forces people to believe that believe. When it comes down to it Liberal = Choice, Conservative = enslavement. (Okay, I got off from being anti Republican to pro Liberal, when it should have been Democrat, but I have to say I really don’t like either parties. )

30 Do I hear a growing resentment for both parties on this website? It seems far rightwingers and leftist "moonbats" seem to agree that they don't feel they identify with either major party. But then, now the hell does a third party grow important or large enough to have the weight for change?

31 "But then, now the hell does a third party grow important or large enough to have the weight for change?"-osamabeenthere Baby steps. Concentrate on local elections for a decade or so. Once a grass roots movement has started we can get into state and then national elections. I disagree with you on one point though. I don't think the neoconservatives are bright enough to have arrived at the realization that the Republican Party, like the Democratic Party, is participating in the dismantling of our country. It's government by the multinational corporations, for the multinational corporations.

32 Greg, it's not about them being intelligent enough about corporate corruption...you have to be aware of it first. Being aware of it means exposure, research, effort, etc. The public as a whole doesn't know all that much about which companies which layoff Americans to run sweat-shops in other countries, bend laws that protect consumers and the environment to their favor, (the list goes on). I think exposure to truth is crucial, and if you're relying on mainstream media (also run by huge corporations) the odds are you're not going to be exposed to this knowledge. It has nothing to do with people's intelligence. Plus you have to take into account that anyone who believes in a "ism" usually cannot be forced to think outside of that "ism". If they are to change they have to do it on their own. I think this isn't about intelligence...it is about what you are exposed to, where you live, how your were brought up and personal experience.

33 OBT, The question is not how can a third party grow big enough. The question is how can we shrink both parties down.

34 "I think this isn't about intelligence...it is about what you are exposed to, where you live, how your were brought up and personal experience."-osamabeenthere Well of course you're right. On a side note: Wouldn't it be nice to try trickle UP economics just once? (A rhetorical question, no answer required.)

35 Shit, how about we just smash the whole fucking piggy bank and reset our economy!

36 Greg, You do know they have pictures of Bush Sr. trickle down theory right. You can see them on some Chevy trucks. It consists of Calvin (and Hobbes) and a Ford symbol. Calvin represents Bush and his elite group of friends and the Ford symbol represents what Bush thinks of the rest of the American people.

37 As a conservative, IÂ’m not excited about the prospect of a large 3rd party, but I think it is coming .I believe Libertarians would grow at the expense of the GOP. The result of which will give the Democrats a super majority that will be disaster for Conservatism. I believe Bush is driving many conservatives towards a 3rd party. My brother is a religious conservative. However, he is and has been opposed to the war in Iraq. He hates the democrats, which he sees at the party of government employees, teachers and other civil servants who only lobby for more benefits and less accountability. He voted for Kerry for Pres, but GOP candidates statewide. In 2004 he considered the Libertarians a waste of his vote. Will he give them consideration in the future?..Mabey. The libertarian party will start getting more people like my brother. The most likely defectors from the GOP will be conservatives with who disagree with more traditional GOP foreign policy and those that do not have strong religious views. I think when we Balkanize the right, we will simply hand power to the Democrats. Those growing ranks of people feeding at the public trough will hold firm and take power. That will mean higher taxes to pay benefits and wage increases, more vacation time to the hordes of bureaucrats and also to increase their numbers to add to the party the base. Oh well, its coming and like I say, when it happens maybe IÂ’ll be a lot happier when/if I get one of them ole state jobs.

38 Butch, That's right. Trickle down economics is the equivalent of saying, "let them drink piss and be grateful that we wetted their parched mouths".

39 For those who were asleep in their high school civics class, the electoral college is there for a reason. It keeps the big states from steam-rollering the rights of the small states. Likewise, every state has two Senators, but has their Representatives based on a portion of their population.