1 Hmm...looks like hondo knew what he was talking about all along. I owe him an apology. You gotta admit he knows the Euros inside and out.

2 What are they up to anyway the nazis were animal lovers who used humans in their experiements

3 Pointing out to the Dutch that the Nazis too killed crippled children isn't morally wrong, and I doubt even the offended Dutchman thinks so. If his reply is accurately translated, his objection is that Giovanardi was being unacceptably rude. He might have also added impertinent, since the justification for the Dutch policy has nothing to do with whether the Nazis had one that resembles it. There is a logical fallacy here that a parliamentary minister isn't stupid enough to be excused for making. A policy stands on its own merits. If your best criticism of it is that the Nazis did it too, you don't have a criticism. Culling infants in a place like Netherlands or the U.S. can be attacked on moral grounds either by Christian or humanistic principles--that is, you can apply either the standards of God or Man. It would be easier to do the former, but still problematic. For one thing, the Dutch government may be reluctant to accept the authority of God in this case since He does not give reimbursement for neonatal intensive care, and therefore any demand of His to preserve badly damaged babies is tantamount to an unfunded mandate. Also, Christians overwhelmingly believe that God holds men individually accountable for their acts, hence no dissenting Dutch Christian can claim that he might be dragged into Hell if his doctor murders a child. Attacking this on humanist grounds is much trickier of course because humanism permits Man to make the rules he must abide. Usually these are whatever moral opinions he happens to pull out of his wazoo and tend to be uncannily convenient. Hence, rich humanists who make their living spending other people's money on crippled kids they never have to see tend to have a different morality from medical humanists who spend 12-hour shifts propping up hideously deformed babies with zero outlook of participating in life. Since it's a contest of opinions humanist ethical debate, even among intellectuals, tends to degenerate quickly to name-calling and other shabby tricks like this case of playing the Nazi card. It's all very depressing.