November 22, 2005
Debra Lafave Gets Off
(Tampa, Florida) Debra Lafave pleaded guilty today to two counts of lewd and lascivious battery for having sex with a schoolboy. She originally planned to plead insanity but was encouraged to accept a plea deal with the stipulation that she would not go to jail. Lafave was facing a possible 15 years in prison on each charge if she went to trial. But there will be no trial and she gets no jail.
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People should reject the delusion that Lafave's sentence is having the punishment fit the crime. She regularly had sex with a student with total diregard for the law and absolute refusal to exercise her responsibilities as a teacher. In my estimation, justice has not been served.
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GAWD! She is hot!
Sorry mike - trying to collect my thoughts on this and get a handle on it before commenting like an adult. Lotta weirdness going around.
Posted by: hondo at November 22, 2005 06:15 PM (Jvmry)
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It seems I started hearing about these things a year or so ago. Now I see a case like this about once a month. IÂ’m not surprised about this plea bargain and the fact the this rapist gets off pretty much scott free. Even on this blog, most of the posters donÂ’t think itÂ’s really any big deal. This decision is just a reflection of society and how it views these incidents.
I can only think that somewhere in the future there will be a parent, not one of those white or black trash parents who donÂ’t give a shit. But a parent who did all the right things and raised a good kid harmed by one of these predators. The parent will be told it is not really a crime. One day a good parent will kill one of these criminals and he will be punished.
Our country is good in so many ways, but it is also Fu#@ed up in so many ways.
Posted by: Brad at November 22, 2005 06:26 PM (3OPZt)
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I think it's a damn shame...that a 14 year old boy is getting much better-looking ass then I am.
Posted by: Billy at November 22, 2005 08:17 PM (oxMjD)
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Brad,
You are so right. Also, there is a chance I will be in Seattle this summer, and I would like for my wife and I to get together with you and your wife. Is that possible? Could we go out to eat, etc.?
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 22, 2005 09:39 PM (rUyw4)
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Our laws should be color blind and should also be gender blind. It is one thing for some of us to kid about "where were teachers like that when we were teens." It is a whole nother matter for the criminal justice system to let her off for a crime that if the genders were reversed we'd be saying "castrate the bastard." Don't know if rape is the right word for what she did but I have no doubt that her actions were wrong.
Posted by: LargeBill at November 22, 2005 09:59 PM (9g0u+)
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I would have loved getting "raped" by a teacher like that.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 22, 2005 10:23 PM (8e/V4)
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Joe, that would be cool.
FYI August and September are the best months to visit.
It's almost always 80+ and it almost never rains.
Give me as much notice as you can as my son plays lots of baseball. After the Little League season, we play on a select 10-year-old team and we have about 5 weekend tournaments this summer so we will be on the road most weekends. Weekdays, we are always around.
If you want, I'll send you our Christmas card with photos and contact info.
If you catch up with Greg, save the story until you come out here.
Brad
Posted by: Brad at November 22, 2005 10:42 PM (6mUkl)
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Lafave's attorney, John Fitzgibbons - "To place an attractive young woman in that kind of hell hole [JAIL] is like placing a piece of raw meat in with the lions," he said in July. "I don't think Debbie could survive it."
Perhaps that might have discouraged others from doing the same.
Posted by: MathewK at November 22, 2005 10:48 PM (pVHqF)
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I can't believe nobody's commented the title of this post.
Posted by: Eric Kephas at November 23, 2005 12:59 AM (6WIGh)
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The relevant question to determine whether or not she's a perverted freak:
12-14 or 15-17?
If victims in the first category, shame on her, those kids will go gay because of the fuss about their field trip to where babies come from.
If in the second category, they definitely loved that lesson of sex education, it's just their parents crappy yapping and that should not be a reason to jail people.
Posted by: A Finn at November 23, 2005 03:36 AM (cWMi4)
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Bullshit! I prayed for a teacher like her when I was 12. AFIN when you reach puberty you will understand.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 23, 2005 04:05 AM (ZaAd/)
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I bet the punishment would fit the crime if the teacher had been a guy. Rape and divorce laws need a serious revamping in this country.
Posted by: Jack's Smirking Revenge at November 23, 2005 04:20 AM (CtVG6)
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Just saying boys 12-14 still listen to other people, since many of the other people seem 3 times bigger than them, so the fuss makes them think what they did was the biggest wrong they can ever do =and=they=go=tumbling=down=the=road=to=insanity=> gay/a-sexual.
(This is valid info only in countries where media is used to control peoples thinking, it is not to be taken to consideration outside Usa, China and dictatorships. Author of this text thinks religion also counts as a media, and generously donates all responsibility to who ever cleans up comments)
15-17 is more of a "Oh yeah?! Well fuck you, I'll do it again"-season. This group can be stretched to earlier in overpopulated areas with social pressure to become an adult fast.
Posted by: A Finn at November 23, 2005 05:46 AM (cWMi4)
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Didn't I hear that the parents are okay with it? That should hold some weight in the issue, shouldn't it?
If I heard wrong, please correct me.
Posted by: Oyster at November 23, 2005 05:51 AM (YudAC)
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Jack's Smirking Revenge, dude, of course. Women are emotionally and mentally unstable from birth to menopause, they need the extra protection.
(This comment is not to be used in feminofascist propaganda)
Posted by: A Finn at November 23, 2005 05:54 AM (cWMi4)
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Eric Kephas: I noticed it too. Mike's so clever.
Posted by: Oyster at November 23, 2005 05:55 AM (YudAC)
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Brad,
We would be going on an Alaskan cruise. My wife has to decide whether she wants to go on the cruise, or she has another option which is too drawn out to tell you and you wouldn't care anyway.
I'm pushing for the cruise, which probably means she will pick the other option, but if we take the cruise, it will be in August or September. I think we will have two days in Seattle, if I read the schedule correctly. I'll let you know for sure.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 23, 2005 10:06 AM (rUyw4)
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It's easy to dismiss these cases as being the answer to every teenage boy's dream. I'll admit that my jaw dropped (which through Newton's third law caused an opposite reaction in other parts) the first time I saw a photo of Miss Lafave. However, regardless of gender, it's still completely wrong for a teacher to be having sex with a student - and a student who's a minor at that. I'm still trying to figure out where all these cases are suddenly coming from. Is it a dominance thing? Is it that these women don't feel that they have control in their lives so they assert their dominance over someone else the only way they can?
Posted by: Graeme at November 23, 2005 11:12 AM (oMlBu)
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Graeme, these cases aren't new. They're just being prosecuted now because a few parents are bringing it about. An old boyfriend, years ago, bragged to me how he slept with one of his teachers all through his senior year. My husband bragged about "tagging" one of his teachers too.
No. It's not right. But even so, neither the old boyfriend or my husband were psychologically marred by it either as they were both in high school and quite eager to "partake".
Posted by: Oyster at November 23, 2005 12:12 PM (fl6E1)
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I think the fact that so many people are getting their drawers in a wad over this is just idiotic. I'm sorry to have to be the bellwether of reality, but the fact is that a teenage boy having sex with an adult woman is not the same as a teenage girl having sex with an adult man, no matter what anyone says. Males and females are different, and no amount of PC gender equivalency will change that. Sex for males is different than for females, with different goals and motivations, and especially with different psychological effects. I don't advocate such behavior, but if I found out that my son had sex with his teacher, I'd put a stop to it, but not get the vapors over it, whereas if I found out my daughter was having sex with a teacher, there'd be a dead teacher.
It's only because of liberalism that we've come to treat boys and girls the same, and with noticably disastrous results, as too many boys are failing to become men, but rather exist in a state of suspended adolescence wherein they are neither held accountable for their actions, nor expected to become productive members of society, i.e. good husbands and fathers. Likewise, too many girls are just becoming amoral whores who see nothing wrong with having sex with many anonymous partners, often at the same time, and while many of them get pregnant with frightening regularity, fewer of them are becoming good mothers.
The result is that more and more children of each new generation are fatherless bastards who have only negative role models who give only bad examples, and the fabric of society frays a little more with each generation. This is what gives us teachers who crave sex with immature children, because those teachers are themselves still children psychologically, because the current generation of adults is a product of the first divorce generation of the 1970's, and themselves have backgrounds of devoid of solid moral guidance. Liberalism is killing our society, just as Marx intended.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 23, 2005 01:12 PM (0yYS2)
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You got it, Max! Right on!
Posted by: large at November 23, 2005 01:43 PM (fEUSs)
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I'd agree that the psychology of sex differs in males and females but I don't think that the issue can be reduced to being: it's kind of okay for boys but very wrong for girls. For someone whose 25, I really have my doubts that a 14 year old makes a fantastic sexual partner. Therefore the motivation for having sex with the student has to be something darker. Not 'take over the world' darker but enough that it is the teacher using the student for his /her convenience (granted I can't say what the actual motivations by the teacher are). A 14 year old is not going to turn down advances by a hot looking 25 year old and the teacher knows this. That's what makes the whole thing wrong - an adult (regardless of gender) knowingly using a minor's lack of wisdom and self control against them. I don't think that she should spend the rest of her life in jail, or even 15 years for that matter. Three years may be appropriate, but those three years should be spent in jail, not under house arrest.
Posted by: Graeme at November 23, 2005 03:28 PM (PKbLu)
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I hate you.
I now go to the 'No Shirt' pic more often than that Stars Wars one.
I hate you.
Posted by: CUS at November 23, 2005 03:39 PM (bbXZq)
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Graeme,
I have a 15-year old boy so I can say that I have observed some of the behavior we are discussing on this thread. We had meetings with the students-teachers about a month ago and I saw quite a lot of behavior that I considered inapropriate.
There was quite a lot of hugging, touching, feeling contact that I believe teachers should avoid at all costs. One reason is that it prevents a teacher from being objective about a student or group of students, and it also reinforces familiar behavior on the part of students.
My observation is that it is mainly a lack of maturity on the part of teachers, but also, I have to say, a lifestyle choice by the teachers themselves. Many of the younger teachers frequent nightclubs where music and dance mix with casual drug use. Many more of the teachers are younger, female, and drug users. Sex is bound to follow.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 23, 2005 04:22 PM (rUyw4)
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I'm stumped as to what could be done to prevent this kind of behaviour. Maybe it's as simple as only hiring really unattractive older teachers. In high school I was taught mainly by Catholic priests and the few female teachers that were present were......well let's just say that no amount of hormones flooding my brain could make them seem more attractive. Heck one of them didn't even shave her legs. Now that's incentive to keep your eyes on the black board.
Posted by: Graeme at November 23, 2005 04:43 PM (PKbLu)
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Graeme,
You identified part of the problem. There are way too few male teachers at the public schools these days. We have 3000 students in our school system, and we have 4 schools where there is not a single male teacher or administrator. There is a male janitor who makes an appearance after school is out.
I'm not saying that having males at a school would change everything, but I do think there would be an improvement to a certain degree.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 23, 2005 04:59 PM (rUyw4)
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Sorry mike - still trying to collect my thoughts on this and answer as an adult - but GAWD DAMN! The NY Post has a photospread on Debra ... I can't think straight!
Posted by: hondo at November 23, 2005 05:15 PM (Jvmry)
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Let's just be honest.
If the older teacher is ugly she is an old woman taking advantage of boys' almost uncontrollable horniness = manipulation and rape.
If the older teacher is hot she is an older woman teaching a young man the joys of the human body = dreams really DO come true.
In my experience teenage girls aren't horny like teenage boys are = any male teacher with a student = rape.
Posted by: Harkonnendog at November 23, 2005 06:04 PM (hHi5E)
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I wasn't aware of those other cases that 'Interested Participant' referenced... That was an informative blog entry. It shows that this is not an isolated incident, and the problem of light punishments for major offenses such as this seems to be a serious one.
Posted by: Aakash at November 23, 2005 06:22 PM (kxzuC)
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hahahahahah jesusjoe " isaw laots of touching and feeling...inapproroate" you perv. dude, you are screwed. that explains it all reading your posts, you guys are like closet gay jeff gannons or something. all wacked out on sex, or lack of, or whatever, but goddamn you got issues. how funny. all conservative bleat "me peepee makes me a bad boy...my peepee makes me a bad boy...gotta kill...gotta hate...everyone elses fault my pastor says my peepee makes me a bad boy"
thanks for the entertainment you impotent dicks. it gives us insight why you cant stop talking about killing and oppressing everything for your "moral values"
america hates you jeff gannon america.
ernie
Posted by: ernie at November 23, 2005 10:29 PM (ocmaF)
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Wow ernie! You really have a way with the English language!
Guess all I kin sez's you sure do have a purdy mouth!
Posted by: hondo at November 23, 2005 10:38 PM (Jvmry)
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Sounds like ernie's a fan of the Big Gay Porn C*ck!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 24, 2005 08:20 AM (0yYS2)
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Ernie obviously didn't go to school, or if he did he was like Jethro Bodine and didn't finish 5th grade, so he wouldn't know what I was talking about.
Ernie, so you are how a person acts when all he has to look forward to in life is flipping burgers, or armed robbery. What a loser!
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 24, 2005 10:50 AM (rUyw4)
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For someone accusing people of hate, Ernie is displaying a lot of it himself.
Posted by: MathewK at November 24, 2005 05:24 PM (pVHqF)
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He's only angry because he's confused and ashamed over his love of Big Gay Porn C*ck.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 24, 2005 05:54 PM (0yYS2)
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lil' ernie kinda reminds me of the Rick Moranis character in Ghostbusters - the lil' Keymaster - hyper, incoherent, babbling off in all directions! I keep waiting for him to praise the coming of Gozer.
1) lil' ernie is young - mid teens probably.
2) I suspect (but can't swear to) that he (not a female) is not native-born based on the type of mistakes he makes with English.
3) He may be searching for his identity - but in his ignorance defines it by "association against" rather than self - in other words - he needs us for him to be something
4) He's angry - over what? Its complex - we just happen to be handy.
In the holiday spirit sympathy is in order - there are two parents out there (probably hard-working immigrants) who have to deal with this 24/7.
Try to imagine what they are going thru.
Posted by: hondo at November 24, 2005 10:53 PM (Jvmry)
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Oyster's husband: My kind of guy. The man is a saint. Much smarter than I. I tried to nail my English teacher for two years and failed. Did do the preacher's well endowed daughter thou. This gave me hero status in the eyes of my classmates. But the English teacher would have given me God like status. Damn, she was hot.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 25, 2005 07:09 AM (ZaAd/)
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Why couldn't that pimple faced idiot keep his mouth shut, at least until after he made a baby with Debra? That reminds me of MY early sex... I was four, and my Aunt Bertha was 48. She would volunteer to babysit me, and the first night, she mounted me! I learned quickly, and I was soon pumping my tiny hog as fast as I could... I fondly recall squirting my first load of tadpoles deep inside her!!! I porked her until she died, age 81, good ol' Aunt Bertha, she was the best hunk of meat I ever had!! I miss her every day...
Posted by: brainbuster at November 25, 2005 08:46 AM (i3qFG)
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Brainbuster, you had it made! I always wanted to pork one of my aunts, but she turned out to be a lezzie! She had one great bod, tho... I saw her naked a bunch of times, or maybe she planned it that way... hmmmm... I think she knew that every time I saw her naked, I would rush off to whack my meat. She would wait about a minute or so, and then call for me, knowing that I had a huge boner going! That was one evil lezzie! I would have to really speed things up, and then when I came out, she would smile, knowing that I had just squirted my load!
Posted by: wisepunk at November 25, 2005 11:59 AM (i3qFG)
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This is BS, Bi Polar has become an excuse for just about anything. Great for the drug companys and well great for this chick. If it had been me I would be in jail for a long time. Don't get me wrong, I am a guy and wish I had a teacher like this when I was 14, but as a father I am disgusted. I am disgusted with this case and have just lost more faith in the US justice system. I got more time for a joint and 1/4 ounce of weed, think about that...
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