. One reader relates that elderly Muslim men have spoken enthusiastically of sex with prisoners of war. Here's an excerpt of the scholarly answer.
It appears that the conventional thinking among Muslims is that Americans are regularly having sex with prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan and committing "other atrocities," whatever that means. However, thanks to the mainstream media,
repeatedly seen photos of the exceedingly dumb and irresponsible practices employed at Abu Ghraib, including the use of dogs, mock executions, and humiliation but I don't recall any evidence of sex with prisoners nor "other atrocities."
I also recall that the military has investigated the incidents and prosecuted offenders. To my knowledge, no one has been granted immunity. With regard to "other atrocities," I know of no instances of eyes being gouged out, hands being lopped off, nor beheadings.
Nonetheless, the generally-accepted beliefs of the followers of the religion of peace are considerably distorted from what the actual evidence has shown regarding Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. And, the MSM should get most of the credit for fostering the misconceptions. After all, the MSM have Muslims believing that a Koran can be flushed down the toilet. My experience has been that a large wad of toilet paper has trouble being flushed. Of course, I've never seen a magic toilet.
In a nutshell, not only have the MSM been able to get Muslims to believe in magic toilets, they have also enabled them to adopt the erroneous belief that the American military regularly rapes prisoners of war.
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OR... perhaps they, like us, are a scattered collection of indevidual factions that do not possess any unified ideals, principles or even... religion. Perhaps all these big bad muslems have very little in common with all the other 15 man muslem factions that dot the countryside.
Well... I would suspect they don't like being bombed. I guess that is a unifying factor wouldn't you say? You know come to think of it, it really doesn't matter if you are baptist or penycostal or mormon or protestant- Us Americans don't like being bombed either. You know what, I think if a bunch of foreign occupiers came over and WOOPS accidently killed off my family... yep I wouldn't mind raping them so long as I could be guarenteed that they would not enjoy it.
Posted by: Calist at May 22, 2006 08:27 AM (dybt/)
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Calist: you wrote "penycostal" - I think you must mean "Pennycoastal" - that Malibu religious cult known to collect pennies...among other things?
Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at May 22, 2006 08:39 AM (aH6Zf)
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While I know of no prison rape allegations against our troops in this conflict that have withstood scrutiny, and while eye-gouging and beheading are not even rumored, it should be made clear that Abu was more than the conduct shown in the photos. Objects were inserted into the anuses of prisoners to humiliate them. Prisoners were forced to be naked in front of women, and stacked on top of each other, naked, to play off of Muslim homophobia.
And people were killed. One guy was beaten (not at abu, at another camp in Iraq) with a metal bat. He later died. Another guy, in Afghanistan, was being interrogated, and a young CIA guy said, hey, tie him up, leave him outside, he'll talk in the morning. This was Afghanistan in winter. The guy was dead in the morning. No punishment, although the facts are not in doubt.
I'd still much rather be captured by our guys than by the jihadis. We have behaved better than they have, by a vast factor. And the actions of a few cannot alter the nobility of the actions of the many. Our troops are doing a difficult job, and most of them are doing it in a fashion that meets or exceeds the high tradition of our military.
But let us never forget the memos from the white house and justice and dod that allowed these actions to take place. Someday, we'll stop blaming the little guys, the corporals and sarges, and start going after those truly responsible.
Posted by: jd at May 22, 2006 08:59 AM (GZdxw)
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"You know what, I think if a bunch of foreign occupiers came over and WOOPS accidently killed off my family... yep I wouldn't mind raping them so long as I could be guarenteed that they would not enjoy it.
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But that's not the question. The question is whether Islam condones these things. Since the rule of thumb is always to defer to the Koran, which is left open to such wide interpretation, one can further one's personal agenda and always find justification there.
There are more instances of Muhammed telling his followers they can take slaves and "wives" of those they defeat than one can count. And nearly as many instances contradicting it.
Posted by: Oyster at May 22, 2006 09:10 AM (QQzPp)
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Not CAN take slaves, Oyster, but ARE taking slaves. There are slaves in Africa under Muslim control in Sudan and perhaps other countries, and now we hear from The Times of London that Christian children are being kidnapped and sold into slavery in Pakistan.
Thanks Islam for a return to the Dark Ages, and thanks also to your liberal appologists such as jd and Calist, although I think this Calist is possibly a dirty jihadist who supports the Dark Ages mentality of Islam. If you are something other than that, Calist, then I am wrong about that, but I stand by my other statements.
Posted by: jesusland joe at May 22, 2006 09:27 AM (rUyw4)
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I apologized for Islamic extremism? I loathe it with every fiber of my being. I just don't think that their evil justifies our own violations of our constitution. Your mileage may vary.
Posted by: jd at May 22, 2006 09:50 AM (GZdxw)
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Joe it is not a return to the Dark Ages...... much of the culture in muslim lands never left it. As for the difference in what the koran says from what the old testament says I don't see a dimes worth of difference. That old testament was HARSH ! Stoning, forced circumscion, killing all the women and children, polygamy, these are all in both books. IP MSM is not to blame. I have not seen what the suscription rates for the New YORK TIMES are in Afghanistan but I expect quite low. What happened in Abu Gharib was known in Iraq before it was known here.
Posted by: john Ryan at May 22, 2006 10:02 AM (TcoRJ)
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Catlitter sez: " yep I wouldn't mind raping them so long as I could be guarenteed that they would not enjoy it.
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I think that is a given, Catlitter
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 22, 2006 10:57 AM (FCC6c)
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It's not whether there is any difference between the Old Testament and the Koran. It's whether it is used as justification for any action in this modern day and age. If you'd read what I said, rather than engaging in equivalencies, you would understand that.
Posted by: Oyster at May 22, 2006 12:25 PM (QQzPp)
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God became completely fed up with man, went into retirement and sent Jesus Christ to finish the job of salvation. Old Testament ( Holy Q'auran ) is obsolete. New Testament is in!
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 22, 2006 01:03 PM (FCC6c)
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Joey, have you ever been in a, in a Turkish prison?
Posted by: Capt Oveur at May 22, 2006 01:33 PM (3OPZt)
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In a nutshell, not only have the MSM been able to get Muslims to believe in magic toilets...
To muslims, a toilet must be magic, because they can't see through the hole in the floor, so a little demon must come and take the little mini-muslim away. These people want to rule the world but they still shit through a hole in the floor and wipe their asses with their hands.
...they have also enabled them to adopt the erroneous belief that the American military regularly rapes prisoners of war.
It's called projection, because it's what they would do. Muslims are plague-rats and should be exterminated like the verminous scum they are.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at May 22, 2006 04:29 PM (0yYS2)
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abdul gives fatwa: yes you may bang captured prisoners as long as they are pretty, no banging fatties under any circumstances. What if they are dudes? If you don't tell my son , i won't ask. Condom?, i don't understand, it doesn't matter where you bang them , a tent a condominium, it's all good.
Posted by: abdul at May 23, 2006 12:09 AM (T4Bto)
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