1 just attack the person I attacked the very same thing Gary attacked: the fact that Cindy won't read her son's final letter--obviously because it expresses sentiments that are nobler, wiser, and more visionary than her own. (And, ironically, that would answer all of her disingenuous "questions" to George Bush.) As for the notion that she's somehow immune from criticism because her son died, don't you just wish. Somehow it just doesn't seem that noble to "ventriloquize the dead," especially when it's so obvious that if the dead could speak they'd repudiate the sentiments she crams so ignobly into his mouth. Again, it is Cindy Sheehan that is dishonorable and disrespectful, and no amount of false immunity will ever quite cover up that stain.

2 I will bet anyone reading this blog that the MSM/DNC will give less than 10% (or less than one tenth) the coverage to Fort Qualls they give to Cindy, The good Dr. Rusty has my address and email. I will trust thim to hold the bet $.

3 Wayne, doing his darned-best to be a good propagandist, said: "stay away from the issues, just attack the person." It always makes the leftards mad when they see their enemies using their tactics.

4 its just like we all know...the left thinks, or wants to think, that they and only they know everything that is happening and that only they have any right to mouth off their opinions while the rest of us are supposed to be good slaves and keep our eyes on the floor and our mouths shut...the left are the ones who want to be the elitists, not the conservatives as they like to cry about...funny how most, not all, but most of youre richest men in America are supporters of the left....George Soros and Warin Buffet being two of them...Warren Buffet owns the company i work for and it makes him millions a year...which side has the millionares/billionares now????

5 Thanos, you sum it up nicely as usual, and by pointing out two lies used by the leftards, you illustrate their black-is-white mentality. Their favorite tactic, one espoused by none other than Lenin, is to accuse their enemies of the very things of which they themselves are guilty, such as the way they scream about "torture" at GITMO and Abu Ghraib, but will flatly deny with incredulity the truth of what goes on in Cuba, China, and North Korea. I've said it many times in many ways, and it bears repeating; liberals are no less an enemy than any others, because they support our enemies and actively promote enemy causes and disseminate their propaganda. They should all be rounded up and shot.

6 Cindy Sheehan, please read your son's last letter to the listening public so that they will know how he felt about serving in Iraq-- that is if you have any integrity whatsoever left in your fat ugly mannish-looking self.

7 I read somewhere that sometimes adults with childlike voices-- like Cindy Sheehan's-- were sexually molested as children and that they retain that voice because of some bizarre psychological phenomena.

8 it is strange, isnt it Carlos...Cindy sure as heck must be in her fifties judging from her looks yet sounds like a 20 year old, though i dont know much about psychological...ill have to ask my wife as she works for a criminal psychologist, she might have some knowledge on the subject, and if its true it may explain alot about Cindy Sheenan seeming psychosis and behavior in acting that she speaks for and with her dead son and her thinking that she is the mother of all mothers and bears all their pain and suffering and that only she can do such...she can only hide behind her shield of motherhood for so long before people begin to see her as a very troubled woman with some very deep issues

9 It's that circular logic thing being used here. Her supporters say "It's not about Cindy. It's about Bush." But when what she says about Bush (or any number of things) is attacked, they say, "What do you expect? Her son died!" and suddenly, it's all about Cindy again. The idea is that it's indelicate to speak badly of a grieving mother no matter what she says. So we aren't supposed to say anything at all because no matter what we say, if it's not in complete support of her, it's construed as an attack on her. The anti-war crowd expects us to understand the concept of their support of the troops without supporting their cause, but they can't understand that we support her right of free speech without supporting her cause. The latter makes much more sense to me. But hey, that's just me.

10 But hey, that's just me. No, no it's not.

11 mMRE REASON WHY THESE IDIOTS RAE NOT INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH AND THEY RIDE AROUND WITH BLINDERS ON

12 You are right, Cindy Sheehan is no Gary Qualls. To begin with, she has never been a mercenary and she did not get a hard on when her son enlisted! And I don't believe Gary is that hot to have his surviving son killed for a lie either! Gary Qualls is also no Cindy Sheehan. Ask him to speak about the time he and Cindy spent together in Crawford. He departed that conversation sharing a hug with Cindy and expressing admiration for her.

13 This is the first I have heard of an unread letter. Can you share a link that explains this? Casey's life story has been shared by Cindy. He sounds like a gentle and good man who also stepped up for America when it was his time-- unlike our President and Vice President when they had the chance, who are so willing to send others to kill and die. I don't understand this hostility to anyone who questions this war. Just say that the shifting premises for this war don't really bother you-- starting with nonexistent WMD. The UN inspectors actually left Iraq and quit before their jobs were finished *because* Bush had to start his war. It wasn't that "Saddam wouldn't let them in" as Bush told an astonished Kofi Annan. Then it wasn't that, it was to get Saddam. Then we got him and the war kept on. Then it was to "bring freedom and democracy" to the Iraq people. Really? Is that what they have now? Women have to fear kidnapping and rape so much they are prisoners in their homes in a way they never were under the Saddam regime. These modern and educated women are being chased back into repressive Islamic fundamentalist cover. So the American people weren't told the truth when their government started a war of choice-- Iraq had little to do with 9-11 nor al Qaeda--- and it's the people who question our noble military being misused and sent to die and kill for lies, that are the objects of your hate and contempt? I don't get it. OK, say it doesn't matter that we were lied to about the cause-- the point is, the Neocon plan to install an America-friendly "democracy" in Iraq actually IS vital to our national security and they just couldn't tell us that before the war because they were trying to sell it. Then that means you're saying our volunteer forces can be subject to endless rotations and backdoor drafts, conditions they never bargained for. And they trusted our government to spend their blood sparingly, only if absolutely necessary. How long do you think we'll retain willing volunteers? Bush has done more to damage our fine military than any recent president. These volunteers were subject to a bait and switch -- volunteer to defend America, get trapped in an ignoble optional war of choice, without the American people being told the truth about the real causes to start the war. Even worse, fight the first "pre-emptive" war-- attack lest we be attacked, because the imminent threat was a total Bush administration lie. It seems a "pre-emptive" justification alone should be held to a more rigorous standard of truth. You send people to die on a bet, you better be damn sure. Families of America, give us your greatest sacrifice and say goodbye to your noblest members-- and never mind why! It is not for the America that you knew! Can you not see that while war is an evil, the American ethos is only to commit a "necessary evil" to protect us in a world full of evil. That we believe in our goodness and justice. That America has to be strong to be safe. That it is the pride of a free people that makes us unbeatable. How does a war based on lies make us stronger? These evils are committed by our young people -- bombing, maiming, torturing and burning civilians-- men, women and children-- when it was *not* absolutely necessary. This is itself a very great evil visited upon the American soul and deserves to be questioned. It makes America the Huns, the empire makers, the conquistadores, the pillagers and rapists. We are not North Korea or Uzbekistan. Thank God. But what is this war doing to us? What is our military becoming? This is why this movement is anti-THIS war. Can't you look at what's in front of your eyes? Who is getting rich off of this? The American people, the Iraqi people--- no. It's Halliburton and its subsidiaries. With no-bid, no-ceiling contracts, Halliburton still managed to find ways to cheat the American taxpayer out of millions and our soldiers out of their food. Could anything be more evil? How about Cheney's war of choice, concocted by his pressure on our intelligence agencies? A war we didn't have to fight, that he profits from, with yearly deposits into his bank account by Halliburton? Destroy the country, game the intelligence and manipulate your government into being the destroyer, and give his own company the contract to "fix" it. Isn't that a war crime? OK, say it isn't. Say, USA, right or wrong, don't think, don't question, when we kill it's patriotic no matter the cause. Say there won't be a judgement day, ever, and we have a license to kill whoever we want to take whatever we want. And blind unquestioning unthinking loyalty towards the administration who lied to start the war is required if you love America. Stipulate to that, then does this administration seem even marginally competent to you? Does it seem like they have the least idea how to build security for the Iraqi people? More than 2 years later and electricity is more scarce for the people of Baghdad than before we invaded. The military can't even provide basic security, water, electricity for the Iraqi people. So the suicide bombers prove how evil the foreign insurgents are and THAT shows why we are fighting? The Iraqi people weren't subject to daily bombings of civilians before we invaded and broke their nation. Isn't this occupation the best recruitment tool for those who believe in violence against America? Doesn't this justify their worst accusations? Do you really think this makes us safer? Doesn't it look like they are recruiting faster than we can kill them, unless we are prepared for major massacres in a civilian population? Do you really think this administration has a clue as to what to do? One theory is that their actual agenda is chaos, because they are stealing Iraq's unmetered oil money daily, as we speak. Death and chaos are no problem to the Bush cartel because they profit from it. So it doesn't matter to them that they never had a plan to win the peace. It suits their purpose. So one of Bush's latest justifications for the war was to "keep the oil out of the hands of terrorists." Was that a risk before he destabilized the country? Didn't the sanctions totally control to whom the oil was sold and for what profit? So those who protested, "no blood for oil" to stop the war before it started, were just being "leftards". What America is supposed to stand for, be damned! Is that the real story? With all this in front of our eyes, how can you be so threatened by someone whose conscience and soul demands that they question why their country kills? All Cindy Sheehan has asked Bush to answer is, "for what noble cause did my son die?" Can he say? It's a straightforward question that goes to the heart of why America went to war. All he has to do is say what we are doing there. And all Bush has done is run away lest he be held accountable.

14 eaglescry: I stopped reading when you got the part, "...who also stepped up for America when it was his time-- unlike our President...". [boldface mine] Why is this still being spouted? It's totally false. If you want people to understand what you want to say, and to read further, don't start off with hogwash. If anyone else wants to address your other points, they're welcome. I'm not wasting my time with you. You already set the tone right off the bat in my book and shown me that you're ready to tell any lie to base your argument on.

15 I think the Galloway/Hitchens debates may be the turning point in all of this, because it's hard for me to imagine even a leftist thinking that Galloway made a single salient point, let alone a coherent argument. I think the shiney object that got the monkey's paw caught in the jar was the notion that WMD were a "gotcha" that could be cashed in for some big political reward. It's a non-issue for the people serving there, because they have Hitchens' vision and not Galloway's. Nearly all of them could answer Mother Sheehan's questions, and they could probably put a few to her that she'd not be able to weasel out of very easily. But the bottom line is that in order to cash in on their "big gotcha" the adolescents in the anti-war left have had to stake out a pro-fascist and pro-injustice position that makes their entire movement a sunk cost. They'd be far better off to just abandon it, but they won't. Anyway, here's something completely different from Neo Con Blogger.

16 One intelligent posting from Eaglescry. One of the other type from the Oyster

17 oyster: There is some issue as to whether Bush showed up for his entire term of service. I will share a link for the exercise: http://www.awolbush.com/faq.asp. Bush was suspended from flying after failing to show up for a physical shortly after the military instituted mandatory random drug testing. The point I was trying to get to is that Bush supported the war of his generation but declined to serve in combat. Whatever Casey's beliefs, he volunteered for the military and ended up in a combat zone, where he died shortly thereafter. Cheney got himself 5 deferments during the Vietnam war because "he had other priorities." He also supported the Vietnam war but declined to serve. So I guess I don't see how my statement was a lie-- nobody has ever claimed Bush served in Vietnam. Casey sure served in Iraq. Bush and Cheney both seem pretty willing to send other people into combat when they both ducked the chance to experience it for themselves. I was just trying to see what would happen if I really tried to talk to someone who supports this war and Bush and all he stands for. I have family who are on your side of the fence as well, and we have been avoiding discussion of current affairs since the war started. I would like to be able to talk to my family. It does seem like this country is polarized -- people don't support or object to this war "a little"-- the positions are absolute. How can this be? I really got into it with a friend of mine over it. He pointed out that he was neither a Bush supporter nor a basher, but both sides seemed to have an agenda for him and both sides make little fallacious leaps without logic in their arguments. So to him, neither side makes their case. He reckons he will end up a pariah. We did end up being able to talk and I asked him some of the same questions in the post. It hasn't felt like my country since the bombs began dropping on Baghdad and I turned on Fox TV to see the anchors gloating over the firepower lighting up the nightime skies. As though they were watching a fireworks show and we had the best and biggest bang. Deep destructive "booms" erupted over a populated city, recasting the modern skyline in a molten glow. People were dying in those flashes of light. And even if you believed in the war, how could those people dying be a subject of gloating? Baghdad was a modern functional city with educated citizens, markets, a cultural life and families and young and old people going about their business. Those bombs were a horror and the glee with which America celebrated them seemed evil to me. It wasn't too long after the horror of watching airplanes used as bombs on our biggest city. When our buildings exploded and fell and the innocents died, the whole world grieved with us. The LeMonde headline (in a French newspaper) said, "we are all Americans now." And America does not respond to these outstretched hands of support-- we do not join this family of humanity and civilization-- we turn around and claim the right to commit mass murder ourselves-- oops, I mean our right to start a pre-emptive war of choice. I guess the short point in my post was that even if the various rationales for the war don't bother you rhetorically, then doesn't it really seem like this administration doesn't know how to succeed in this war anyway? And if that's the case, isn't it better to stop the bloodshed sooner than later? And to be honest, I don't understand someone who can be fine with their country being at war, sending our people to kill and die, with the reason for the war being "whatever." Fine, I am not asking you to "waste your time." I was just trying to see what happened if I really tried to communicate. To be honest, to be around people or try to talk to people with the views reflected in some of the posts on this blog just makes me heartsick and seems so futile anyway. And I have read posts on Michael Yon's blog in an effort to understand. He is a good human being in a situation that is way over my head and it seems like the people he writes about are just tremendous men. I was just trying to understand some of the power I sense in the people he writes about and reconcile it with the sickening feeling that we are causing grave suffering when we did not have to. Creating immense suffering in the civilian Iraqi population, for no good purpose or for the nefarious purposes of those who profit from the chaos. When as far as I can tell, our country would have been better off finishing the job in Afghanistan, making it strong, and trying and convicting Osama bin Laden. This war however, is also having another effect on our people in the military: http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/09/us-soldiers-allegedly-trading-pictures.html . Something bad is happening. Remember, before Bush? Americans weren't dying and our young people's hearts were not being coarsened and hardened and inured to death and suffering. I am not closing my eyes and I'm trying to understand and I did start writing that post because I don't understand the intense hostility and contempt for anyone who questions this war. Like if you are a supporter, your hands are in your ears and you are going, "lalalalalala" because you just don't want to hear it. And how dare anyone question you or even try to point out, "wait a minute." I have a leftover superstition from my Christian upbringing that I will face my maker someday, and all will be revealed and I will be held to account on what I did to the "least of these among us" and what I allowed to happen without doing anything. So, I just took a shot at communicating to see what would happen. Moving on.

18 eaglescry: If you had a brain and a little common sense you could answer the Sheehan bitch's question yourself. But you can't, can you.

19 Guess I'm a moran. Explain the answer. Spell it out for me. I tried googling "Gary Qualls letter" to find the text and couldn't turn it up. You belong to the half that "gets it" to whom it's so obvious it doesn't need to be stated. I come from the polarized half that doesn't "get it" the way you do and so I'll ask you to tell me the answer.

20 I guess EAGLESCRY is right, he must be a moron. Everything is posted on GOOGLE, or has he really tried to search for the info? Duhhhhhh, go to WWW.Quallsmemorialfund.org , click on, "In Memory Of", or just type in my name or my son's name. Be sure to go to WWW.Fort Qualls too. When there, be sure to read the blog stuff, you'll see the true mentality and speach quality of the Cindy Sheehan writers and their potty mouths. They match what Cindy reflects. Father Of A Fallen Hero, Gary W. Qualls

21 SPEACH (speech) was misspelled on purpose.

22 I guess Eaglescry is the only Moron who posts here . everone else understands--- that to go to war over contrived lies is something we should be proud of, all patriots understands this. all but this one. Guess that makes me moron number two.

23 Wayne: I believe she actually is glad her son died. She is getting the 15 minutes her ugly ass has never received before. She is in hog heaven. Look at her smiles on every photo. No one remembers her son because of her stupid actions. She has defiled her sons memory. Her family has disowned her. Her husband has filed for divorse. Only the leftard, liberal assholes who pay her to defamed America gain by her horrible behavior. Cindy Sheehan is shit. Nothing else. Just shit.

24 MORAN (moron) was mispelled on purpose as a hat tip to this guy: http://home.houston.rr.com/moridin/get-a-brain-morans.jpg He was protesting a peace protest with some helpful advice. All of us evil peace protestors have found it amusing ever since. It was nice of him to inject a little humor in the situation, however inadvertently. Thanks for spelling out the speach thing though in case I missed it. And thanks for pointing out what a smackdown that was on your part in case I missed that too. Good one. duhhh, the reason I was asking for a lead is because i never heard of quallsmemorialfund.org until I came here and asked for the information. duhhhh, thanks for the lead to www.fort qualls too. duhhh, those links really did not turn up in google. honest. ok, my time on this blog is showing me how to talk to you guys. Be incredibly ANGRY no matter what someone is saying to you, even if they are asking you to tell them what you think or how you feel about things, once you smell that evil liberal commie peace protestor scent of their logic. Even if they take the risk of baring their souls a little bit first to show they are approaching you as a fellow human being. liberal sighting--- BE VERY ANGRY! ...I get it. oh well. I gotta tell ya, just testing the waters around here could burn someone's toes. I thought instead of being in my own echo chamber I would actually try talking to you guys and listening to what you think about things and find out why you are so angry with us. We say we support the troops but I don't know how many of us have tried listening to you guys and maybe trying to understand why you think we don't. I'm not messing with you Mr. Qualls, I really will check out the links you gave me and what you said there. I haven't lost a family member in a war and you have every right to what you feel. I thank you and your family for my freedom, I truly do. I am so sorry for the pain your family is going through and I deeply honor your son and what he did for our country. I love America and what it stands for, or what I understand it to stand for, what it means to me. I feel the country I knew slipping away and this causes me great grief every day. Because I think my country is better than this. That includes me and that includes you, all of us Americans. The demands of the times are pressing on our souls, it feels imperative to take action, to do what's right... right now. I think our democratic experiment is in grave trouble. I question this war because I am trying to do what's right. You must be doing what you think is right too. I don't think that with all the tension these days, that many of us that you are so angry with, have tried to understand your point of view. [that is an annoying liberal trait you know, to try to understand what we do that creates the anger of others. to try to find out what injustice there is beyond our current awareness that may be moving people to such fury, to try to find the imbalance that can be corrected.] I think that is one reason America is *so* good, is that our political struggle has always been for competing ideas of goodness. "I'm for good!" "No! Our side is for good!" And we are surrounded by a great and growing goodness, all the time in this country. It is the most amazing country on earth. This goodness seems in great peril right now to me-- because of the scenarios I brought up in previous posts and more. They weren't talking points, they are what I see and it's terrible to me. I thought I would try to understand what you see. Funny how our national anthem starts off, "Oh say! Can you see!" with such great and stirring feeling... there are so many beautiful things about America. Knowing that we both feel that way, I just thought it might be better if we tried to talk. I don't know if it might be constructive or not, I thought I would at least try it. I do believe in my cause and I know you do yours and I don't know if we may find ourselves in common cause or not. If we are, maybe we could do better.

25 hi patriot!! you moran! http://home.houston.rr.com/moridin/get-a-brain-morans.jpg nice to see another friendly face, i mean moran around

26 mroan here--- Could you please help with the blog link on fortqualls.com-- i could not find it--only the email link and the link back to the qualls memorial fund. I spent time on the qualls memorial site. The integrity and fortitude and humanity and humor shining out of that young man's face... I was very humbled. What a contribution and what a life he lived in his short time here. Your family walks the walk. I talk the talk. I am trying to make that real talk at least, in service of the guidance of my conscience. I am starting to see why you find no words. Only dignity is necessary. I think part of the anger with Cindy Sheehan is that the display is unseemly in the face of their sacrifice. I would like the blog link too please if you would not mind spelling it out for a moran. It will help to fill in the picture.

27 For something on the lighter side I looked up the meaning of "Moran" http://www.answers.com the on line dictionary had a link to the genius who originated the word "MORAN" . http://photos1.blogger.com/img/270/1396/320/moran.jpg... think I will just stick with being a moron, and let the other side keep their moniker of MORAN

28 ever feel like you're crying into the wind

29 I'm the mother of Louis Qualls, I can only say that our sons did what God lead them to do and we can't change this.I remmeber talking to Louis before he left,he said he couldn't let his friends down his brothers in arms. I ask you all instead of putting your efforts into coming against each other for something we cannot change, our sons made their choices,and now as we are proud of them,let them be proud of us and take a stand togather as one ,as they did and change things,not fight with eachother and juge each other,may be we can make changes so the next war will not take so many of our youth,before they had a chance to live.

30 It's always revealing how "old" blogs and posts become relative or modified with time, like this one. The minority are now the majority and the war mongers have no one but themselves to blame. They couldn't be honest with the American people nor even with each other and that dishonesty has caused their decay. Poetic Justice. Hopefully, Gary Qualls will one day come to understand that his son did not die for Liberty for Iraqis or Freedom for Americans, but rather oil profit and secret geopolitical agenda the likes of which were too distasteful for the planners to reveal. God Bless America