May 18, 2006
Censure Jack Murtha
The Left's favorite ex-Marine, Pennsylvania representative Jack Murtha, has decided that he is judge, jury, and executioner in the case of Marines accused of killing civilians in Iraq:
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Rep. John Murtha, an influential Pennsylvania lawmaker and outspoken critic of the war in Iraq, said today Marines had “killed innocent civilians in cold blood” after allegedly responding to a roadside bomb ambush that killed a Marine during a patrol in Haditha, Iraq, Nov. 19.Ignoring centuries of American jurisprudence, Murtha has hopelessly prejudiced this case with his presumption of guilt. And Murtha has done this for one reason only, political gain. Murtha's reason for prejudging this case is his claim that the alleged crime was committed due to over-extension of the military.“It’s much worse than was reported in Time magazine,” Murtha, a Democrat, former Marine colonel and Vietnam war veteran, told reporters on Capitol Hill.
“There was no firefight. There was no [bomb] that killed those innocent people,” Murtha explained, adding there were “about twice as many” Iraqis killed than Time had reported.
Regardless of the outcome of Courts Martial investigating these Marines, Jack Murtha has exposed himself as a festering puswart on the buttocks of the House of Representatives.
Jack Murtha has abused his position as a US Representative and deserves censure by the House, at the very least. Murtha's past military service does not in any way excuse this gross misconduct.
Via Stop the ACLU.
Cross-posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto and Vince Aut Morire.
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I think the guy is senile.
Posted by: Mike at May 18, 2006 12:49 PM (PJzqy)
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Marines use words like Honor, Duty, Country, They believe in concepts like, Leave No Man Behind, Once a Marine Always a Marine, and Semper Fi. They stand and fight when others run and die.
So, someone explain to me how this despicable man is not cursed loudly and publicly by every retired Marine
Posted by: The Curmudgeon at May 18, 2006 01:11 PM (jeBXX)
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I think people arent calling Murtha dishonorable is because he is dealing with the facts. These still matter, even if you believe the flag is the cross and the president is a prophet.
What Murtha is bringing up is the fact that these marines are in very harsh conditions on an ill fated mission based in lies who are going nuts and committing atrocities out of madness....MAI LAI sound familiar?
See, Murtha knows blind obedience to authroity is not honorable and when your leaders come up corrupt it is vrtuous duty to fight the lies of totalitarianism.
Remember, tehse kids you sent to hell have to come home, so they can date your daughters, and like the vietnam generation, be thrown away by society.
commie
Posted by: commie at May 18, 2006 01:56 PM (1esPS)
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Well Bluto one thing that you can say about Murtha is that he stands up and says them in public and does not hide in annonimity. I'd like to be present when YOU said those kind of things to HIS face.
Posted by: john Ryan at May 18, 2006 02:06 PM (TcoRJ)
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You lefties need to stop looking at everything through a Vietnam-colored lense.
Iraq and Vietnam are not the same war. Get over it.
War is war and you will have some people "going nuts" due to combat stress. But any armed conflict will induce combat stress, no matter who sent the soldiers to war, or why they're fighting it!
The soldiers who ALLEGEDLY killed innocent civilians may have been under stress, but if they had more integrity, morals, a conscience, whatever you want to call it, they wouldn't have committed such a crime.
You see it's not the DOD's or the President's fault, nor is it failed policy. It is poor judgement and lack of morals that causes a person to kill innocent people.
Deep down inside I bet liberals and Bush-haters just love it when something like this happens. All you little deranged liberals are sick hypocrites.
Posted by: Agent Meatball at May 18, 2006 02:06 PM (30FRH)
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I love this neo-cons...Shit is fallin apart, can't get one thing right, corruption all over the place, lost count of how many millions wasted, gasoline up through the roof, legal abuses here and abroad, natural disasters mismanagement....
I lived under Spain's Franco dictatorship as a minor. A right wing, christian, hardcore fascist goverment (For God and Country)..,And I find funny as shit how little here in Amercia people ACTUALLY know what a facist goverment looks like...
Starting to look a lot like on in this place.
Posted by: Citizen # 255883400882 at May 18, 2006 02:37 PM (3T8kU)
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And by the way, the Pentagon was the one that issue the initial report.
Damn Comunist military!!!
You can dress a monkey in silk, but it is still a monkey.
Posted by: Citizen # 255883400882 at May 18, 2006 02:41 PM (3T8kU)
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john ryan, Adolf Hitler stood up and said many things in public; this is not necessarily an admirable trait. As for myself saying things to people's faces, I have never shrunk from that, and taken and given lumps for it.
I can guarantee you personally one thing. If you ever met me in person your internet braggadoccio would disappear in a stream of urine down your leg, and you would be quite polite.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at May 18, 2006 02:57 PM (RHG+K)
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Citizen number whatever, did Franco's thugs remove part of your brain or something, or are you just senile?
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at May 18, 2006 02:59 PM (RHG+K)
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John Murtha points out that marines have killed innocent Iraqi civilians, so of course the only thing we can do is censure John Murtha. God forbid we hold the murderers accountable, but let's punish the guy who tells us about it.
"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil?"
Consider yourself a criminal.
Posted by: miguel at May 18, 2006 03:08 PM (FOdjt)
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It's all about you John.
The men you voted to send to Iraq (remember John, you voted to send them ) probably counted on a little more from you.
How about letting the facts come out and give them their day in court. You owe them at least that much John. They can't just run away when the wind blows in a different direction. They had to stay and deal with the hand you and the other Senators and Congressmen delt them.
For you to bury these guys like this before trial or inquest makes me sick.
Posted by: Brad at May 18, 2006 03:32 PM (3OPZt)
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Gee Bluto I keep thinking that pretty soon I might even get a personal invitation. I live in Manhattan on 105th street If I am home my bike is always parked out front And I am sure that you would find me polite, but I don't think your desire to see me urinate would be likely unless you were to follow me into the men's room.
Posted by: john Ryan at May 18, 2006 03:51 PM (TcoRJ)
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miguel,
nobody's against punishing marines for killing innocent civilians. I'm all in favor of it. What I find despicable is how you Libs use these occassions to tarnish our military and our country. You people are despicable, and so is Murtha. You don't give a flying fuck about human rights unless you can use it for your America hating agenda. Iraq has made that patently clear.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 18, 2006 03:55 PM (8e/V4)
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I've never agreed with John Murtha (big time warhawk) but I've always had respect for the uniform and I've always found military men to be stand-up honest guys. Murtha is a former Marine Colonel so he speaks from a position of knowledge when making comments against our continued occupation of Iraq.
What's it going to be Bluto? Support the troops, unless they contradict King George's propaganda machine (Murtha, Shinseki, the generals against Rumsfeld)?
Posted by: Jake at May 18, 2006 04:03 PM (TWAi3)
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So...
The the half-wits are on the prowl. John Ryan STFU You are an indolent little prick. Why don't you run along and watch some MTV. And as far as you assholes commie and citizen #6546546546 and any others I might have missed, STFU and please ESAD.
Posted by: jamsler at May 18, 2006 04:29 PM (VqA/E)
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Just more proof that we have to kill them all sooner or later. Liberals are walking, talking pieces of shit and should be eradicated for the good of humanity.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at May 18, 2006 04:34 PM (0yYS2)
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IM, I've heard you say that many times, but the events of the past few months are bringing me around to your way of thinking.
Posted by: jesusland joe at May 18, 2006 05:01 PM (rUyw4)
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In the Corp, there is always the 10% shit birds.
Posted by: Leatherneck at May 18, 2006 05:29 PM (D2g/j)
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Hey, you should include the full quotation:
"Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them. And they killed innocent civilians in cold blood. That is what the report is going to tell."
That last sentence is important.
Posted by: Juggler at May 18, 2006 06:12 PM (1I4e7)
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JJ,
Keep it up and we'll put you on the list too.
Posted by: Homeland Security at May 18, 2006 07:14 PM (q5wwn)
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Whether you are for the Iraq War or not, that is not the question here. Murtha's remarks about Marines killing in cold blood is the most despicable use of an incident for political gain. If in fact when a report comes out that verifies his remarks, what gives him the right to inflame the populace by prematurly blurting this from his pulpit. If it is right or wrong to be in Iraq our elected officials still need to support our troops that are in harms way and not endanger them by remarks such as his.
Posted by: Big Treat at May 18, 2006 07:19 PM (SNkWV)
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Buahahahahah..
These neo-cons are awesome...What else do you expect from these retards?...Reason, knowledge. No, of couse not. Nothing but threats ang calls for hanging, shooting, expelling, shitting and spetting on anyone or anything...
Just like Franco's Falange's Youth. Ifreakingdentical. Probably a bunch of faggety neo-con geeks that have never served or face combat and probably spend their weekends playing soliders at their local militia....
Leatherneck: Yes there are. I should know. I served as a ranger in Fort Stuart (GA, for those of you neo-morons that can't read a map) back in the late 80's. I think actually the number is more like 20%.
You can dress a monkey in silk, still a stupid fucking monkey.
Posted by: Citizen # 255883400882 at May 18, 2006 07:35 PM (jZ6cC)
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When I run and hide, I need secrets, many secrets.
When I follow the money and the lies, I find you folks wishing another Bushie will put one up my backside. We will all get tired of it. Even you.
Posted by: Tom at May 18, 2006 07:37 PM (12pWd)
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Let's see: Republicans control all three branches of government and in the past 5 years have accomplished absolutely nothing. So all you people do is blame Democrats, liberals, Clinton (either one), or the media.
I used to consider myself conservative because I believe in fiscal responsibility, states rights over fed rights, smaller government and the preservation of civil liberties. Man, those days are over.
"Those who trade security for liberty will neither receive or deserve either." Benjamin Franklin
Posted by: Jake at May 18, 2006 07:38 PM (cOXGQ)
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Hmmm. Much flag waving here. I wonder what the response will be if the news were about some Middle Eastern soldiers storming into civilian homes and murdering them in cold blood just for being unfortunate enough to be within sight of the cruel murder of a comrade, OR Iraq back in it's un-invaded days and with an assasination attempt on a Bath party big wig and the subsequent round up of everyone within the vicinity of that attempt and a death sentence to them all male female and child execute immediately or later. I'm sure everybody that have spoken on behalf of the marines here will also excuse such crimes as acceptable in the special situation......
One mans meal is anothers' poison.....
Posted by: Wee Free at May 18, 2006 07:46 PM (JfWXC)
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Jake: Well said man.
Posted by: Citizen # 255883400882 at May 18, 2006 07:49 PM (jZ6cC)
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To Jake and the other halfwits: innocent until proven guilty is the law of the land. Murtha does not have a right to abuse his position to say that these Marines are guilty. If they're convicted by Court Martial then he can go to town, but not before.
Innocent until proven guilty is a pretty simple concept, but liberals only seem to advocate it when it suits their agenda. That's been amply proven in this thread.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at May 18, 2006 08:26 PM (RHG+K)
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Wee Free: do you mean like on 9/11 (thought they weren't soldiers), or have you already forgotten that day?
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at May 18, 2006 08:28 PM (RHG+K)
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Citizen#whatever,
If you really were a ranger, I think you would recall the proper spelling of your duty post. It is spelled Fort STEWART, not Fort Stuart. Pretty sloppy of you not to remember the proper name of your post. Kinda makes YOU look like the neo-moron ya damned fascist.
Posted by: jaybear at May 18, 2006 08:30 PM (5gqp1)
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Oh yeah, one more thing citizen #whatever....Since about 1975, the same year that Franco died and Juan Carlos assumed power in Spain, Fort STEWART has been home to the 24th ID. It is now home to the 3rd ID and support units. If you were a Ranger in the late 80's...then that would mean that you were born sometime in the late 60's right? towards the end of Franco's reign? right?
you can dress an asshole in silk, but he'll still be full of shit
Posted by: jaybear at May 18, 2006 09:09 PM (5gqp1)
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Jaybear: You caught me on a mispelling. Oh no, God forbid!! Shoooooot. Damn, I guess you won.
You kidding me?.. That is the best you can do? Really? This is it?. This is the depth and width of your mind?
Nah...C'mon there chief, you can do much better than that. Give it another shot. Seriously. But this time, no Truthiness. Give me some real threats, something really "neo-con-ish". you know, like the other cats in here.
You kiddo you. You are special. Yes you are. yes you are.
Hahahahaha
Posted by: Citizen # 255883400882 at May 18, 2006 09:17 PM (jZ6cC)
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This guy is awesome.
Keep investigating dude. You are almost there.
Hahahahahahaah.
Posted by: Citizen # 255883400882 at May 18, 2006 09:24 PM (jZ6cC)
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Not a misspelling citizen#traitor, an outright lie. So far you haven't refuted anything I've said....show some proof about your service sir, what was your pay grade? when was your discharge date? give the name of your unit...
when did you live in Spain?
looking forward to your next round of stuttering...or is it past your bedtime?
Posted by: jaybear at May 18, 2006 09:27 PM (5gqp1)
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Murtha has really gone too far this time. Censure him is right. I mean, censue anybody that won't censure him. On one side, you have the tree huggers frothing at the mouth over some good old boys in a bad situation in a very bad place. Over thirty thousand murders of Iraqi citizens by US troops have been documented. Happens every day. Why raise a stink now? Liberal commies.
Posted by: David at May 18, 2006 09:45 PM (uS1Ao)
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He will probibly get a offer from hollywood in a movie directed by ether MICHEAL MOORE or OLIVER STONE
Posted by: sandpiper at May 18, 2006 09:58 PM (as4nC)
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>>> I find funny as shit how little here in Amercia people ACTUALLY know what a facist goverment looks like...
Citizen,
count yourself among those who don't know what a fascist government looks like. I lived in Pinochet's Chile for 5 years, AND I spent many of my childhood summers with relatives in Franco's Spain. Top that one you silly little clown.
People like you that toss around the word 'fascism' like it was used cleanex are idiots. You insult the verey memory people who have been the real victims of fascism, including my family in Spain who at least one of them died fighting the fascists, as well as friends of my family in Chile, some of whom were tortured and exiled.
You make me want to toss my cookies when you imply things about our government that you don't have th e sligthest clue about.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 18, 2006 10:09 PM (8e/V4)
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Oh, and I forgot, I lived in Ecuador too for 3 years in the early 70s, also under a military dictatorship. Top that, asshole. I love it when ignoramus Libtards try to pull rank on how sophisticated and worldly they are. You are neither. You are legends in your own minds, and nothing more.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 18, 2006 10:13 PM (8e/V4)
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If by censure, you all mean hang by the neck until dead, then I'm on board.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at May 19, 2006 04:58 AM (0yYS2)
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Murtha led the Pentagon investigation you morons, and Time magazine agrees with the conclusion. He is a good man standing up for what he sees as a huge mistake.
Google it for yourself, this is Imperialism at its worst, when will you stop blindly following your government?
http://www.google.ca/search?q=+pentagon+marines+Haditha
Posted by: Canadian at May 19, 2006 05:05 AM (PjK9S)
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From Jake: "I used to consider myself conservative because I believe in fiscal responsibility, states rights over fed rights, smaller government and the preservation of civil liberties. Man, those days are over."
So now you're a liberal for these reasons? Those who favor big government, litigation, excessive regulation and higher taxes to pay for it all? That's how liberals define "fiscal responsibility" you know - high taxes to cover a multitude of sin. I'm confused. Because being a conservative STILL means all those things you mentioned above.
And citizenwhatever: If things are so bad here, us being such fascists you know (you forgot to throw "nazi" in there), I hear that Franco's dead and Spain is no longer fascist. It might be a good time for you to move back. Since you're so miserable here and all.
Posted by: Oyster at May 19, 2006 05:46 AM (YudAC)
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"If by censure, you all mean hang by the neck until dead, then I'm on board."
Cool, a death threat on a Congressman.
I'm pretty sure that's illegal.
Posted by: Theo at May 19, 2006 07:22 AM (7AEHv)
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So if you are at war how can making the war worse for your men help? How can inciting enemy hatred get them home faster? If Murtha sees a problem that's fine. He was sent to Washington to deal with problems. The people elected him to to so and look out for their interests. He has many options other than attacking our men in the press. It's political. He abdicated the best interests of the nation by using it politically. He can raise hell with the president and oversee the military justice process honorably but he did not. He is failing in his duty to his nation, it's soldiers and the people they protect. He works for al-Qaeda now.
Posted by: Howie at May 19, 2006 07:24 AM (D3+20)
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>>>He should be beaten and tortured mercilessly by US Troops and then viciously slaughtered and his entrails dragged through the capitol. His children and all living family members should also be tortured and slaughtered. This man was always a coward and a traitor to the military and should get his just reward.
Aashamed Patriot,
how bout instead you just go back to Daily Kos where you came from. Notice Kos requires people to register to post, while here morons like you can just show up and pollute threads at your leisure.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 19, 2006 08:48 AM (8e/V4)
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WoW,
Innocent Civilians?
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck; IT IS A DUCK.
If you are on a duck hunt monkey boy there are no innocent ducks.
Posted by: The Curmudgeon at May 19, 2006 08:50 AM (jeBXX)
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So if Milosevic went to the hague for war crimes should Bush not be the next resident there. I hear there is a vacant cell?
No, Bush will get a statue and these marines will be defended because they were under stress, which of course normally causes people to shoot children point blank!!
But yes, go on attack Murtha for making sure the truth gets out, it was commanders in Iraq who fed him this news because they understand the stupidity of their presence there and want to bring their men home.
The longer these wars go on the more often these types of atrocities happen, on both sides. And america still has yet to accomplish anything worthwhile in Iraq.
.
Posted by: Yikes! at May 19, 2006 10:11 AM (hfa+w)
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Yikes indeed. So you believe in the old English principle of guilty until proven innocent? And you believe that Iraq was better off under Saddam and that we should have passively waited for the next al Qaeda attack in America rather than providing them with a battleground in their own neighborhood?
Typical Leftist pinhead.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at May 19, 2006 10:15 AM (RHG+K)
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One small point: innocent until proven guilty is not binding on the speech of members of Congress, or anyone except those directly involved in the judicial system. Members of Congress give their opinions about ongoing legal proceedings with great regularity. For example, when Newt was in the minority, and a Democrat was under investigation. Or, when Susan Smith had just been accused of killing her children, and Newt blamed it on Democratic values. Or when Richard Nixon, in the middle of Manson's trial, told reporters Manson was guilty. Or, when Enron broke. The list is endless.
So your point is: Murtha should be censured for...what exactly? speaking out on a tragic incident?
OK...because the first amendment shouldn't apply to members of Congress.
Time to rethink that, methinks.
Posted by: jd at May 19, 2006 10:28 AM (aqTJB)
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"If you ever met me in person your internet braggadoccio would disappear in a stream of urine down your leg, and you would be quite polite."
--Bluto
"Citizen number whatever, did Franco's thugs remove part of your brain or something, or are you just senile?"
--Bluto
"To Jake and the other halfwits..."
--Bluto
"Typical Leftist pinhead."
--Bluto
Yes, you're clearly a polite, well-spoken, and fully competent individual with a number of well-defined, defensible positions that are strongly backed by fact and impressive debate tactics.
I can't possibly imagine why anybody would ever disagree with you with such compelling and intelligent arguments presented in such an even-keeled and persuasive manner as these.
Posted by: TxMxP at May 19, 2006 11:31 AM (gOPcw)
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Did you have the same opinion when Republicans in Congress were not exactly waiting to the end of the legal process in: Whitewater, filegate, travelgate, lewinskygate, the Espy investigation, the Cisneros investigation...(and it should be noted that in ALL of those investigations, not a single executive branch official was convicted of anything related to a Clinton administration job)?
Or did you advocate the censuring of DeLay, Gingrich, Helms, Burton....etc etc.?
Posted by: jd at May 19, 2006 11:33 AM (aqTJB)
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jd --
The past bad behavior of the republicans doesn't excuse the current bad behavior of a democrat.
Murtha's comments were clearly designed in an emotional manner to create an outcry. If he'd merely stated the basic facts, that would be one thing, but he:
1. Politicized a tragedy.
2. Took on the role of Judge, Jury and Executioner before the military even had a chance to accuse and try anybody themselves.
I imagine you criticized Bush - and rightly so - when he did similar things with 9/11, Katrina, etc. Now it's time to see if you can put your money where your mouth is and prove that you really are "better" than the blind Bush devotees. Murtha screwed up, so hold him accountable even though it means weakening "your party".
Posted by: TxMxP at May 19, 2006 11:47 AM (gOPcw)
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Vote Yes to Censure Murtha
I doubt it will happen. It should happen.
Posted by: Howie at May 19, 2006 11:57 AM (D3+20)
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jd, are you kidding? Those were juicy stories! ;-)
But then Murtha's talk is fodder for the enemy in a time of war. I wouldn't call for his censure, but I do think his motives stem from more than just patriotism or a concern for the troops. I do think he has a chip on his shoulder because his ideas were rejected by this administration. He's a proud man and now he picks his issues carefully for maximum impact, maybe too proud, and his speech about the troops "living hand to mouth" and being "broken" and "demoralized" was over the top. The vast majority of the troops denounce his assertions.
The voters will speak when it's time for his re-election. If New Jersey constituents think he speaks well for them, then so be it. I personally wouldn't vote for him.
Posted by: Oyster at May 19, 2006 12:01 PM (QQzPp)
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>>>Yes, you're clearly a polite, well-spoken, and fully competent individual with a number of well-defined, defensible positions that are strongly backed by fact and impressive debate tactics.
You come hear to troll, and then you pretend outrage when you're told to fuck off. lol! Lefty orwellianism knows no bounds. Come hear with a respectful attitude to argue the issues, and you'll be treated respectfully. Otherwise kindly fuckoff.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 19, 2006 12:26 PM (8e/V4)
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>>>>You come hear to troll, and then you pretend outrage when you're told to fuck off. lol! Lefty orwellianism knows no bounds. Come hear with a respectful attitude to argue the issues, and you'll be treated respectfully. Otherwise kindly fuckoff.
Uh... huh. You quoted from my very first post, saying that it was "outrage" because somebody told me to "fuck off".
How exactly does that work? I mean, how was I told to leave.... before I even got here? Are you saying that his place is full of psychics?
Ignoring the fact that your post is complete nonsense and violates the most basic principles of spacetime physics, I wonder, exactly, what "respectful" means to a guy who's entire post revolves around profanity and political slurs? Considering that your idea of "respect" apparently involves insulting and cursing at other posters without any apparent provocation, you'll have to excuse me if I dismiss your complaints that I don't act "respectful" in your opinion.
Posted by: TxMxP at May 19, 2006 12:51 PM (gOPcw)
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TxMxP,
I'll chalk your comment up as just a lame attempt to be clever so as to avoid making a comment with any real substance. I've been doing this long enough to recognize nothing when I see it.
But I'll try again. Did you get on Citizen's case for coming here and calling people "retards"? No, you ignored that but pretended offense when someone flamed him back. It's that simple. You'd have to be incredibly obtuse or retarded not to get it. It's happens all the time on this blog. Leftards come here with an attitude, and when they get attitude back that's supposed to prove what meanies rightwingers are. That's all you did. Orwell is rolling in his grave.
Come here with a respectful attitude and discuss the issues-- not how "retarded" the "neocons" are-- and you'll be treated with repect. Otherwise, kindly fuckoff.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 19, 2006 01:14 PM (8e/V4)
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Excellent point. Whereas I've called Bluto out for his insolent chest-thumping superiority complex and merely ignored Citizen for being generally abusive from the get-go, I should have done what everyone else did - which invited a truly mind-boggingly intelligent argument, but the way, kudos on your intellectual foray - and focused on the guy that was just trying to cause problems to begin with while holding Bluto up as an exemplary case of how to respond to disruptive forum posters.
Yes, clearly, I just don't "get it" and you've shown me the light. Obviously, your tactic worked excellently and everybody here has benefited from the insight generated in the resulting melee.
In the meantime, as your very first post in the thread was laced with profanity that hasn't stopped since, I have little interest in what you think is "respectful". You can lecture me on respect when you gain some. Until then, feel free to stop wasting both of our time. As you might have noticed if you weren't so busy slinging about arbitrary political labels to so desperately avoid anything approaching a competent, meaningful claim, I have an interest in discussing the actual issue at hand.
Posted by: TxMxP at May 19, 2006 01:33 PM (gOPcw)
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TxMxP: either contribute something or go back to Kos. FYI, since this is MY thread, accusing me of insolence is a case of the pot calling the driven snow black.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at May 19, 2006 01:48 PM (RHG+K)
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TxMxP,
then I guess kindly fuckoff. You're a waste of time.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 19, 2006 01:57 PM (8e/V4)
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I wasn't aware that insolence had become a relative term. Although, perhaps that justifies my prior observation that some people in these parts believe that profanity is what constitutes respectful behavior.
Perhaps you would feel better if I additionally accused you of myopia, since you chose to completely ignore the post I made dealing specifically and only with the subject at hand - a post which nobody who continually demands discussion on the topic seems to want to acknowledge exists.
I enjoy arguing with people who constantly expound about "liberals" and "leftists" in general, vague ways. They constantly sling accusations that are only valid because they choose to accept only a small portion of their reality as being real. The fact that two of you now have gleefully claimed that I haven't posted in relation to the actual topic when I've in fact made my position on Murtha's comments quite clearly known further justifies my opinion that a very large portion of what constitutes the vocal wing of the right-leaning politicos and pundits in this country are only interested in generating noise, insults, and threats, and have absolutely no interest in doing right by America in any sense of the word.
Posted by: TxMxP at May 19, 2006 01:59 PM (gOPcw)
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>>>perhaps that justifies my prior observation that some people in these parts believe that profanity is what constitutes respectful behavior.
TxMxP,
that would make your prior observation an incredibly obtuse or retarded one. Because I don't see anywhere on this thread where someone said using profanity constitutes respectful behaviour. And yet you impute it to me (or Bluto). That makes you an intellectually dishonest retard. Profanity is clearly disrespectful. That's why people use it. Which is how you'll be treated if you come here with an attitude. I think that makes it the third time I say this. And still the retard doesn't get it.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 19, 2006 02:32 PM (8e/V4)
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Hey Theo, kiss my ass then google some comments made by your fellow leftards about Bush, including implicit and explicit threats against him. Don't try that shit with me you idiot, because you're not smart enough to read my grocery list.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at May 19, 2006 02:48 PM (0yYS2)
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...the right-leaning politicos and pundits in this country are only interested in generating noise, insults, and threats,..."
Did you just expound on right-leaning politicos and pundits in a vague, general way? Why yes. You did.
Posted by: Oyster at May 19, 2006 03:18 PM (QQzPp)
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TxMxP: the regulars here know that I don't suffer fools gladly, especially when they repeat the same juvenile points over and over again.
If you insist on being coddled, I'd suggest that you visit The Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler. Emperor Misha is renowned for his patience with people like you. Be sure to tell him I sent you.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at May 19, 2006 03:52 PM (RHG+K)
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>>Did you just expound on right-leaning politicos and pundits in a vague, general way? Why yes. You did.
And I cite this board, LGF, Free Republic, Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coulter, and the entire Bush Administration as evidence to support my assertion. Feel free to cite the many pundits and blogs on the left who are equally as intellectually inferior as these groups if you'd care to assert the same about the left (though they're rarely as predisposed to violent rhetoric as the right-wingers, so at least they have that minor advantage).
>>If you insist on being coddled, I'd suggest that you visit The Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler. Emperor Misha is renowned for his patience with people like you. Be sure to tell him I sent you.
In other words you have nothing intelligent to say about my comments regarding the topic, so you hope I go away so you don't have to continue to pretend you have something worthwhile to say.
Fear not. I've gotten exactly the immature and unintelligent reaction I expected, so I have no more need to try and pretend that I think you could actually participate in a reasonable discussion. My point is sufficiently proven: you have no validation for your radical opinions and no interest in obtaining any, you just want an audience that will bite on your words without actually thinking about the content. You have, effectively, provided additional evidence for the ignorance of the radical right's opinions.
So, for the time-being I'll be going and won't embarrass you any further.
Posted by: TxMxP at May 19, 2006 06:37 PM (ZNd6p)
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Murtha is a traitor and an embarassment to all ex-Marines. He would not be welcome at any Marine function or ex-Marine celebration. We celebrate the Marine Corps birthday down here. Would love to see the prick show up after we had a few drinks.
Posted by: greyrooster at May 19, 2006 08:14 PM (AWtJU)
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Dickweed pendejo Mr Jesusland Carlos "lived" under ..how many...? Three right wing dictatorships and now he is an ultra-conservative: Sounds to me like either probably was the son or family of one of these ex-military dictatorships assholes or just a very stupid wipe ass that obviously did not get enough the first three times.
Ok Little Pinochetito...
Hahahaha..These idiots get trolled and STILL keep answering...
Buahahahahaha.
Awesome.
Posted by: Citizen # 255883400882 at May 19, 2006 08:33 PM (jZ6cC)
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poor TxMxP ... just couldn't go the distance!
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 19, 2006 08:37 PM (FCC6c)
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Citizen,
I guess you didn't read my post. My family-- unlike yours-- ACTUALLY suffered under ACTUAL fascism-- not the "fascism" of your fevered moonbat deliriums where "Bush" is hitler and Amerikkka is "nazi." You have no real world experience with fascism because you are a fraud and a liar. Your little "Franco" story was supposed to lend you some gravitas but instead it just made you look like fradulent twit.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 20, 2006 01:35 AM (8e/V4)
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This has been one of the funniest threads I've seen in a while. These leftards want to their posts to sound intelligent, profound, and witty, but they're just amusing, but not in a good way. What passes for intelligence nowadays is amazing; if we shifted the IQ scale to give every moonbat the genius quotient they think they have, say between 130 and 150, I'd be somewhere around 1000.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at May 20, 2006 07:49 AM (0yYS2)
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"This has been one of the funniest threads I've seen in a while. These leftards want to their posts to sound intelligent, profound, and witty, but they're just amusing, but not in a good way. What passes for intelligence nowadays is amazing; if we shifted the IQ scale to give every moonbat the genius quotient they think they have, say between 130 and 150, I'd be somewhere around 1000."
That's an awful lot of words you used to say "I sure hope passerby don't read the whole thread and realize what I fool posters on this site are".
Posted by: TxMxP at May 20, 2006 11:21 AM (ZNd6p)
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The funny thing is the Pentagon just confirmed Murthas claims. They must be liberals too. This "blog" is telling, really a fount of psychological data of what comprises the hateful and ignorant among us. Thnak god these folks are the minority. I particularly like improbulus' threats, they exude impotence, a resentful pathetic man who howls his phony tough guy world on the web...too funny. Is improbulus the btk killer surfing the web from prison?....you get em dog catcher!
commie
I also find incredibly interesting the idea that we can ignore facts and replace them with terms like "moonbat". That makes a great argument.
Posted by: commie777 at May 20, 2006 01:08 PM (1esPS)
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>>>I also find incredibly interesting the idea that we can ignore facts and replace them with terms like "moonbat".
On the contrary, Leftardism is a kind of mental delusion where facts are irrelevant. That's why the term "moonbat" is factual. I don't use that term merely for people I disagree with. That term applies to Leftwingers so deluded by ideology as to be basically mentally ill. Someone who compares Franco's Spain to "Bush" and Amerikkka is mentally ill or so ignorant of the facts as to be no better than mentally ill. It goes WAY beyond mere disagreement. There's no other way to explain that kind of stupidity but mental illness. And that's why "moonbat" is factual.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 20, 2006 02:00 PM (8e/V4)
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Careful, IM, you could really hurt yourself-- if you fell off your ego and landed on your IQ, you'd be going at terminal velocity.
Posted by: jd at May 20, 2006 02:50 PM (GZdxw)
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Wow, we've all just witnessed the sum-total of all the brainpower of all leftardom expressed in a whimper rather than a bang. I hope you all enjoy your middle-school wit, because it's all you've got, and it won't do you much good very soon.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at May 20, 2006 07:40 PM (0yYS2)
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>>I hope you all enjoy your middle-school wit, because it's all you've got, and it won't do you much good very soon.
You're right. Since people like you have spent the last six years desperately trying to slander "the left" (where "left" is described best as "liberals, moderates, conservatives and, well, those who disagree with your personal views pretty much [which is ironic in this context since I agree that Murtha stepped well over the line]"), most of the country has realized that you have nothing to say about any actual issue, and they'll be voting in Democrats to shut you up. Granted, all this means is that the Democrats will eventually radicalize and become as silly and trite as you, but that's a few years off so I have time to transition over to embarassing them.
See, maybe when you sit down, shut your mouth, and breifly engage your brain for the first time in six years, you'll realize that slinging around random, highly general insults in lieu of stating any actual positions doesn't play well to anyone outside your tiny little radicalized group. You may have managed to figure out how to use 'blogs' (congratulations, the extreme right has managed to become as intelligent as a typical MySpace user, you must be terribly proud), but the fact that those blogs reproduce like rabbits only serves to prove that you have very large mouths and nothing more.
See, most of the country is moderate, and they have jobs, families, and social lives, so it's not that their relative lack of a voice is evidence that you have any sort of political control, it's just evidence that you have nothing worthwhile to do with your spare time.
Posted by: TxMxP at May 21, 2006 07:33 AM (ZNd6p)
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Heh. What a fucking hypocritical moron you are TxMxP: ...slinging around random, highly general insults in lieu of stating any actual positions doesn't play well to anyone outside your tiny little radicalized group.
You may have managed to figure out how to use 'blogs' (congratulations, the extreme right has managed to become as intelligent as a typical MySpace user, you must be terribly proud), but the fact that those blogs reproduce like rabbits only serves to prove that you have very large mouths and nothing more.
Talking to yourself, idiot? Fuck you and every other liberal moron on the planet, and your muslim masters you piece of shit. The only thing I want to do with you and your kind is to watch until you stop kicking, and considering how fast society is falling apart and the government is losing control of the country because of political greed and corruption in both parties, I won't have long to wait. There'll be war in America soon, and your kind are gutless cowards, so enjoy your privileged life of blissful stupidity while you can, because the ride will be over soon, and your muslim friends will be strapping suicide vests on you, if we don't get you first. You're screwed, but then, you picked the team you wanted to play on.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at May 21, 2006 08:04 AM (0yYS2)
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IM has nothing of substance to say except to repeat his kill the liberals and muslims mantra. Just a pesky waste of blog space.
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 21, 2006 09:21 AM (FCC6c)
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>>Fuck you and every other liberal moron on the planet, and your muslim masters you piece of shit.
My god, with such wit and wisdom it's no wonder that I feel so terribly overpowered by your intellectual capacities and wonderously persuasive decorum.
>>There'll be war in America soon, and your kind are gutless cowards
Typical. You know who else wants "war in America"? Osama bin Laden. What wonderful company you keep.
>>...and considering how fast society is falling apart and the government is losing control of the country because of political greed and corruption in both parties...
Oh, I absolutely agree. The difference is that I"m not a troglodyte and I believe in using the American system that our Founding Fathers (you do remember them occasionally, don't you?) gave us rather than acting like a chest-thumping, violent brigand to fix the problem.
Which of us, is a coward, by the way? The guy who came in here and started slapping you all in the face for your insolent, violent sophistry, or the guy who's sitting here lashing out with violent threats in the comfort of longterm companions? The guy who's standing by the principles of true republican democracy, or the guy who's apparently of the belief that he can threaten his terrorist ideology into other people?
You can't threaten me into radicalization, and that's the prime difference between you and I. When the towers fell, you wet your pants and started jumping at every shadow on every corner, and I, believing that the American way was perfectly capable of dealing with the threat without pandering to psychopathy, continued to think clearly and stand for what I beleived in.
I'm sorry, but which one of us is the coward here?
You're the kind of people that Oklahoma City bombings are made of. The only difference between you and "the muslims" is that at least the Muslims can say they're an invading force, whereas you're just a butcher trying to bring genocide to your own country. Good job.
Posted by: TxMxP at May 21, 2006 12:48 PM (ZNd6p)
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These liberal fags must be all reading the some books. Last suck larry sounds just like fifteen before him.
Posted by: greyrooster at May 22, 2006 06:48 AM (J4a4p)
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Feeble attempt at trying to match my screen-name put-down semantics, greydickroost! You got a ways to go ...
Last suck Larry does not roll off the tongue the same way that greydickroost does. s does not fit in with L of Last and L of Larry. The u is out of cadence also. The c might work potentially and maybe the k. But you are faced with the sandwiching effect of the " ae " sound in Last and the " ah " sound in Larry. You're simply out of your league boy! Go back to your sandbox!
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 22, 2006 12:20 PM (FCC6c)
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The Not-So-United-States, eh.
Posted by: Fen at May 23, 2006 08:21 AM (RohNc)
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81 comments let's make it 82.
Posted by: Howie at May 23, 2006 10:19 AM (D3+20)
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okay! sounds good to me.
( and I woke up from a sound sleep for that! )
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 23, 2006 04:21 PM (FCC6c)
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Ah! but last suck larry is closer to the truth.
Posted by: greyrooster at May 23, 2006 06:21 PM (BEvWK)
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Goddamn, TxMxP just beat the living shit out of you people, you should ban him from this blog if you wish to continue under your false ideology based in fear.
commie
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