1 Evidently Mohideen Ibramsha is an associate professor at UMass-Framingham. Isn't that nice?

2 Rusty: I'm actually coming around on this, and think that we've been to hard on Islam. NOT.

3 After you yelled that and we giggled like school girls on Amyl Nitrate, I think they would cut our throats. But not until I yelled that I had had my way with his wife and gave him a roman war helmet while he was sleeping off his hash trip.

4 When I said that in a crowded theater ruled by sharia, I quickly followed up with, "The JOO made me say it!" and all was forgiven. True story!

5 yeah, Islam is a religion of peace, except it's really "piece"...like in a piece of our body.....say for instance our collective heads neatly place on our backs..........am I right people? hello?..........this is a tough room...remember to tip your waiters and waitresses on the way out.

6 If I didn't get a Fatwa for mine Rusty, your chances are nill. Mine is so insulting of Mohammed that even non-Muslims are offended. Though...I have seen my name on several Islamic websites, but as I cannot read arabic I just presume that the reviews are glowing.

7 The koran we all know is the work of a mentally ill savage,a crusading,manipulative,cruel,greedy,terrorist murderer and paedophile. This is more than evident on reading it ,with its constant and repetative theme of murder,blood, killing,death,torture,slavery,subjugation,theft and kidnapping. This is of course why in every terrorist murder video they film,can be heard "allahu ackbar". Can I have my fatwa too?

8 Wow, why can't there be civilized and open-minded conversations like that on this blog? Perhaps if things like "Muhammed (piss be upon him)" were left out, this blog wouldn't have been removed from Google News.

9 "Check out Jane's conversation (see the comments) with a Muslim who tries to put the shiny happy face of Islam on and convince her that Christians 'choose' to be second-class citizens in Muslim countries (dhimmis)." some winger once told me roughly the same thing about the lack of congressional representation for DC residents. we "choose" it.

10 D'ya ever notice when people say 'open-minded' what they really mean is 'compromising'?

11 Jim: We like being removed from Google. Gives us status. Shows we can stand up to a bunch of friggin ex commie pricks that came to America for free speech. Now get the hell out of here.

12 I'm not compromising, just polite. We know the theory and all check out Robert Spencers blog for a dose of reality. But it makes a bigger impact on you when some one calmly tells you to your face that you are inferior in a Muslim country and the moderate Muslims deserve to die. And then provides the rationale. I'll never forget this conversation. I'm glad he's talking to me. Come on, wasn't anybody happy that he needed two days to come up with his last answer to me and its still contradictory? I could tell him to screw off but I'm learning too much. We never get this stuff directly, only third hand.

13 Well, I'm glad that you are enjoying it, and I understand why it would be satisfying to someone who was curious about it. I simply don't care about it as a religion. I sincerely couldn't care less about the rationale or motives behind it, in the same way he couldn't care less about why I am a right wing evangelical nutjob. I am comfortable being a partisan warrior who cares not a whit for the other side's point of view.

14 Jane, yeah, the shiny happy religion of peace and if you don't agree we'll kill you bit was amusing. Wonder what he'd say if you told him that Jesus was a Jew?

15 We'll find out soon.

16 Who invited Pauline Hanson?

17 Even monkeys and swine live on earth, so rusty it is befitting your stature to eat swine. The freedom to insult the Human being whom you know nothing about except words of interpretation from another monkey or swine is evidence in its self the measure of your intelligence. Your perception contains these foul precepts because of some inherent wrong information and bad practice and self delusion that you are so better than the rest whilst you are sick, very sick because hatred is embedded in you, you also think you choose it but I got news for you, you have lost control over it, try to be respectable human and remove this filth from your head, but I challenge you that you can not, because you have gone so further into it that there is no return. Expressing ones opinion in a language that is honorable is a measure of one's honor. Further more lets talk about present rather than past of which you have no knowledge, most white people claim to be Christians, well first of all what is Christian, who was the first Christian and who gave you the permission to be called Christians, white men of western world are so ignorant of their history and beliefs that you have convinced yourselves that you are superior, and now look at the brown and yellow and darkies they are following the whities' third hand religion it is amazing how brainless the humans have become. If your definition of Christian is person who believes in Jesus (ESA) son of Maryaam {peace be upon them} then first lesson to you is he was not called Jesus, thatÂ’s not even his name, its the ignorant westerners who do not have the ability to pronounce his real name so just for the sake of it change the name to suit themselves, first they try to kill him then they proclaim a false belief system after him I mean look at the nerve of "westerners". Now say that you accept Jesus(ESA) (peace be upon him) as your law bringer, then how much of his law do you accept, do you follow the ten commandments given to Moses (Mosa)(pbh){mispronounced by ignorant westerners) which Jesus (ESA, peace be upon him) said to follow to be better than the Jew (your new master oh ignorant westerners) then in conclusion you are not the followers of Esa (peace be upon him), you are followers of ignorance, you are not Christians you are "ignorantians". For those who are "ignorantians" on part claiming to be Muslims, ARE your motivation for the filth in your precept Rusty, thereof you two are no different in that you abuse another human because you each think you are better than the other and have freedom to insult each other, in this context you both have lost the humanity as there is Injustice among you. Rusty it would be interesting to see if you can even actually attempt to remove ignorance and preconceived ill perception and thoughts which are harmful to your well being and others who you may influence. Period.

18 Dear Dr. Rusty Shackleford, I came upon your comment only today. I hope you do condone the delay. The worst wish one can give to another is to invoke death. Your comment is soft compared to that. I do not know which land implementing Sharia would have a theater. Saudi Arabia has no movie theater. So, when you curse Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, in a crowded place, I cannot indicate how a mob might react. I hope they follow the example of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him as in Tradition numbered 273, Volume 8 of Sahih Al-Bukhari, quoted below: === Narrated Aisha, mother of the believers, may Allah be pleased with her: A group of Jews came to Allah's Apostle and said, "As-Samu 'Alaika" (Death be on you), and I understood and said to them, "Alaikum As-Samu wa-l-la'na (Death and curse be on you)." Allah's Apostle said, "Be calm! O Aisha, for Allah loves that one should be kind and lenient in all matters." I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Haven't you heard what they have said?" Allah's Apostle said, "I have (already) said (to them), 'Alaikum (upon you).'" === So, my answer would be "Same to you." Who is a child molester? What defines childhood? At what age is sex legal? To be honest, the answer to the above questions depend on the society prevalent at a particular time. From the "About Us" pop-up window of http://www.spiderbytes.ca/ we find: === spiderbytes.ca is a service of the Teen Sex Information Program, a program of Planned Parenthood of Toronto and is funded by the United Way of Greater Toronto. === They give the legality of sex as below in http://www.spiderbytes.ca/Relationships/Relationships_SexAge.shtml === 11 years old --with--11, 12, 13 years old 12 years old --with--12, 13, 14 years old 13 years old --with--13, 14, 15 years old 14 - 19 years old --with--14 and older === Currently, parents in Toronto, Canada are advised that it is legal for a child(?) of 11 years to engage in sex. The accusation that Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, was a child molester is possibly based on his living with mother Aisha, Allah be pleased with her. Quoting Tradition numbered 65 from Volume 7 of Sahih Al-Bukhari, we have: === Narrated Aisha, mother of the believers, Allah be pleased with her: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." === Biologically, a female can indulge in sexual intercourse once she gets her monthly periods. For some girls, the monthly period starts even before they are nine years old. The advanced societies seem to define the age of adulthood at 18 years, which has no biological correlation. I have heard that the bones stop growing at 18. What is the link between sex and bone-growth? Has science studied the growth of a girl after her monthly periods? Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, had nine wives. All except mother Aisha, Allah be pleased with her were widows. So, Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, initiated only one female into her sex life. And he waited for three years after his marriage with his only virgin-wife, precisely because she was not ready for sex until nine. The Muslims understand that Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, had the greatest control on his emotions. May I request that we try to understand the society of different individuals before we criticize them?

19 We would like to quote from http://www.arthfound.org/Arth_Research.html regarding body growth. Quoting, we have: === The first period of rapid bone growth occurs from birth to two years. A second period of rapid bone growth corresponds to the years of puberty, when sexual maturation takes place, roughly from age 11 to 14 in girls and 13 to 17 in boys. During puberty, the speed of building up bones in the spine and hip increases by approximately five times. === The important marker is puberty; for a girl it is the start of the monthly periods. For the general population, it is 11 to 14 years. However, it varies for different persons. Thus, we need to reexamine our definition of the age of adulthood. As regards Muslims, the onset of puberty defines adulthood. Thus, it varies from individual to individual.

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